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bucfan12
06-22-2011, 02:07 PM
What is all of your opinions on Oklahoma QB Landry Jones? I recently saw that he is the 2nd/3rd QB in the 2012 draft and some have him as a top 10 overall prospect.

In my opinion, I just don't see it. All QBs at Oklahoma seem to be very productive in that offense and i just don't see him as an elite type of prospect coming out to warrent a top 10 or even 1st round selection.

To me, he might be Jason White, anyone else agree?

K Train
06-22-2011, 02:22 PM
not even close to me.

i think hes a late first round guy, maybe even second depending on how many teams need a QB. I guess anything is possible with ponder going top 15 and cam newton going #1...teams get desperate. when its all said and done i think he will be around the same draft status as guys like JP losman or Josh Freeman....a guy thats just overall pretty tough to place in a mock, but it will likely come in the first round

He has just never really impressed me and i think luck and barkley are clearly 1 and 2 next year....still a lot of football to be played of course but ive never walked away overly impressed with him

ElectricEye
06-22-2011, 02:28 PM
To be perfectly honest; I'm not sure. He has physical skills that translate to the pros fine, but I don't see anywhere near the same level of poise, command, and refinement we saw out of Bradford coming out that made him so special. You watch him on tape and it all still looks awkward, despite the stat line.

TACKLE
06-22-2011, 02:34 PM
I don't see an elite QB prospect. I'm not saying he can't be a Top 15 pick but there are plenty of guys in this class who have better physical skill-sets and higher upsides. I am expecting this to be a deep, talent QB crop and it wouldn't surprise me if he's one of those guys who kinda gets lost in the shuffle among a lot of talented QB's in this class. Again this is all based off projection and things could be drastically different. You gotta like Landry's accuracy and his savy but I don't see anything that makes him a special QB prospect.

bucfan12
06-22-2011, 02:45 PM
I don't see an elite QB prospect. I'm not saying he can't be a Top 15 pick but there are plenty of guys in this class who have skill-sets and higher upsides. I am expecting this to be a deep, talent QB crop and it wouldn't surprise me if he's one of those guys who kinda gets lost in the shuffle among a lot of talented QB's in this class. Again this is all based off projection and things could be drastically different. You gotta like Landry's accuracy and his savy but I don't see anything that makes him a special QB prospect.

It's hard to measure his accuracy when he plays in 4-5 WR sets most of the time. A ton of QBs Accuracy completion percentages are high in those types of offenses.

Unbiased
06-22-2011, 03:14 PM
i think he'll be a first round pick, but he doesn't seem to have that uber intelligence that made Bradford special. I think he can be like Kyle Orton in a west coast offense in the NFL.

Woody56
06-22-2011, 03:56 PM
I don't have strong opinion on him yet about whether he'll be an NFL success or not, but I am pretty certain he's going to be a 1st round pick.

San Diego Chicken
06-22-2011, 04:20 PM
He's talented, but he makes some bad bad decisions at times. I'd also like to see him spray the ball around the field more. Ryan Broyles is a great player but he gets a ridiculous amount of targets from Jones.

ElectricEye
06-22-2011, 04:22 PM
He's talented, but he makes some bad bad decisions at times. I'd also like to see him spray the ball around the field more. Ryan Broyles is a great player but he gets a ridiculous amount of targets from Jones.

That's going to be a really under the radar thing in the early going. He really locks on to his targets at times.

jth1331
06-23-2011, 02:29 PM
What is all of your opinions on Oklahoma QB Landry Jones? I recently saw that he is the 2nd/3rd QB in the 2012 draft and some have him as a top 10 overall prospect.

In my opinion, I just don't see it. All QBs at Oklahoma seem to be very productive in that offense and i just don't see him as an elite type of prospect coming out to warrent a top 10 or even 1st round selection.

To me, he might be Jason White, anyone else agree?

The Jason White comparisons need to stop between all OU QB's.
White was actually pretty flippin amazing, he had no NFL chance due to having no knees and his arm strength wasn't amazing. Without the injuries, he probably would've been picked in the middle rounds.

not even close to me.

i think hes a late first round guy, maybe even second depending on how many teams need a QB. I guess anything is possible with ponder going top 15 and cam newton going #1...teams get desperate. when its all said and done i think he will be around the same draft status as guys like JP losman or Josh Freeman....a guy thats just overall pretty tough to place in a mock, but it will likely come in the first round

He has just never really impressed me and i think luck and barkley are clearly 1 and 2 next year....still a lot of football to be played of course but ive never walked away overly impressed with him

What makes Barkley so high over Landry though?

He's talented, but he makes some bad bad decisions at times. I'd also like to see him spray the ball around the field more. Ryan Broyles is a great player but he gets a ridiculous amount of targets from Jones.

I do think Landry is a 1st round pick and a lot of where he goes in the 1st is dependent on how he plays next year. OU wins the NC with him having a great year? Top 10/top 5 pick maybe. He performs like he did last year? Mid to late 1st/early 2nd maybe.
Guy has solid accuracy, a good arm, is mobile, but he just seems to make more mistakes than you'd like at this point.
I would like to see him spread the ball more and read defenses better.
I think he's a solid prospect, and like others said is he any worse than Ponder as a prospect who went 12th?

Halsey
06-23-2011, 02:33 PM
Not yet, but we'll see. He's still got another year to work on his game. Fans tend to write off most QB prospects unless they're Andrew Luck good. Most people on these boards were down on Sam Bradford, so I wouldn't put a lot of value on message board opinions.

SolidGold
06-23-2011, 02:43 PM
Landry should be in the first round conversation if he has a good year. The NFL has evolved into a passing first league with many 3,4,5 wideout looks on offense. Playing in the spread in college does not seem to be as big a question anymore to NFL personnel people. He seems to have all the measurables, I am not familiar with his work ethic/attitude towards the game though but if he checks out it would not be a stretch to see him in the first round...its a QB driven league after all...

ChiFan24
06-23-2011, 05:25 PM
No.....and honestly, I don't think there's really much need for elaboration. If you watch him, you can sense some potential, but he just doesn't play like an elite QB should.

That said, he is nothing like Jason White. Like, polar opposite.

niel89
06-23-2011, 05:44 PM
I think that Landry will get 1st round talk but he certainly isn't elite. He is good player and he could go as high as top 10-15 because of positional value.

Its gonna be hard for me because when I look at him I'm going to have to compare him to Bradford immediately because of school/offense, and I know he isn't as good as Bradford.

SativaDominant
06-23-2011, 06:03 PM
I think that Landry will get 1st round talk but he certainly isn't elite. He is good player and he could go as high as top 10-15 because of positional value.

Its gonna be hard for me because when I look at him I'm going to have to compare him to Bradford immediately because of school/offense, and I know he isn't as good as Bradford.

That's the kicker, right there.

Without having seen enough of him to have a definitive opinion, it appears he has better velocity on his throws than Bradford. However, it's markedly apparent how much more they have to manipulate him in the offense than they did with Bradford. He's clearly not comfortable with going through multiple reads, so they protect him him with easy throws to their weapons.
He might be unfairly getting compared to Bradford at this point. If he puts it all together mentally this season, he'll easily get into the top 5

Does that make him an elite prospect? I dunno. An elite prospect is like porn. You know it when you see it. Right now, he's not there, but he ABSOLUTELY has the potential to be by the end of this season.

FWIW, I like him more than Barkley. But then again I've seen way more of Barkley and have been able to nitpick his flaws.

ellsy82
06-24-2011, 12:14 AM
Landry just need needs to be more consistent. He's hot and cold. That'll come with confidence. Once he goes through a full spring practice camp knowing he's "the guy" should be enough to get him over the hill.

He's throws well on the run and can put up big numbers. Hell, he went apeshit on Stanford and they have a pretty good D. He just needs to improve mentally and I think he'll be a surefire first rounder in 2012 if (and that's a big IF) he declares.

AntoinCD
06-24-2011, 05:03 PM
In the offensive system he is in at OU along with the offensive firepower coming back I see him having an extremely good statistical year and he will be one of the early favourites for the Heisman. If he can become more consistent in his accuracy and improves in reading defenses then I expect him to be the second QB taken. He has great size, an above average arm, isn't a statue in the pocket and with another year of experience could put up some ridiculous numbers in a system which has produced another highly drafted, and so far, successful QB.

After Luck I really dont see anything special at QB. Barkley never wowed me when I watched him and guys like Nick Foles etc shouldn't be in this conversation. I would probably take Jones over every QB last year except Locker.

IrishTrojan
06-25-2011, 02:43 AM
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niel89
06-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Landry just need needs to be more consistent. He's hot and cold. That'll come with confidence. Once he goes through a full spring practice camp knowing he's "the guy" should be enough to get him over the hill.

He's throws well on the run and can put up big numbers. Hell, he went apeshit on Stanford and they have a pretty good D. He just needs to improve mentally and I think he'll be a surefire first rounder in 2012 if (and that's a big IF) he declares.

Stanford's defense was pretty awful that year. They got considerably better last year, but 2 years ago they were bad. Their defense was running Gerhart a billion times to kill clock.

SchizophrenicBatman
06-25-2011, 04:21 PM
Wow, so many bad opinions in this topic. Jason White wtf?

Jones has a good arm. And he has the typical NFL QB measurements you want. Maybe he isn't quite as athletic as the league may be trending in the future but everything else is a pass at first look.

It's everything else. Decision making, consistency, intelligence. We've only seen him as a young player in college so maybe that improves but right now it isn't where it should be. He's basically everything Sam Bradford wasn't

ThePudge
07-03-2011, 10:50 AM
I believe Landry Jones will work his way into the Top 10 Overall in the 2012 Draft. He possesses a very strong arm and at times his accuracy is pin-point. His decision making (and accuracy) should only improve this season for the National Championship-contender Sooners. Expect gaudy numbers for Jones in '11-'12 and do not be surprised if he emerges as the favorite for the Heisman trophy by midseason.

At 6'4 220 he has an NFL body, having looked the part for the last two years. His mobility is nothing that will strike fear into defensive coordinators, but he can elude pressure and make plays on the move. No QB eligible for next season's draft has made as many "wow" throws as Landry Jones. His throwing mechanics are good, and as I've said, the arm strength is excellent. I have done quite a bit of studying on Jones, as he seems to be a mystery to some. To break it down into a very, very basic Pro/Con....

Pros:
- Arm Strength - Can make every throw
- Size
- Accuracy
- Throwing Mechanics
- Production

Cons:
- Consistency
- Decision-Making
- Lacks elite mobility
- Tends to lock on to primary targets (however I wonder how much of that is the OU offense because some criticized Sam Bradford similarly - and stupidly in my opinion)

Prediction: I expect a huge year from Landry Jones. If, and only if, he can lead the Sooners back to a BCS Bowl Game (and perhaps National Championship), he should be able to cement his name as a winner. Expectations couldn't be higher for Jones in terms of team & personal success. If he does manage to live up to the lofty goals that I have set for him, I think he's a Top 5 Pick and the #2 QB in this class.

My Top 10 Draft-Eligible QBs
1. Andrew Luck/Stanford (Jr.)
2. Landry Jones/Oklahoma (Jr.)
3. Matt Barkley/Southern Cal (Jr.)
4. Ryan Tannehill/Texas A&M (Sr.)
5. Kirk Cousins/Michigan State (Sr.)
6. Robert Griffin/Baylor (Jr.)
7. Brandon Weeden/Oklahoma State (Sr.)
8. Nick Foles/Arizona (Sr.)
9. Ryan Lindley/San Diego State (Sr.)
10. E.J. Manuel/Florida State (Jr.)

descendency
07-03-2011, 06:37 PM
I can't believe I haven't seen this topic yet.

My personal opinion (and that is just about worthless) is that he is a very good QB but he has a ton of things to work on. Both him and Barkley have a ton of trouble locating the ball where it should go.

In the offense Landry runs, he has to hit the receiver in stride and he isn't very good at doing that.

PossibleCabbage
07-03-2011, 10:00 PM
After the last few drafts, I'm convinced that I really have no idea what it takes for a QB to get drafted in the first round anymore.

Would I take Landry high if my job depended on him becoming my franchise quarterback? Probably not. Can he go literally anywhere in the first round plausibly? Probably.

wordofi
07-04-2011, 12:27 AM
Landry Jones is an elite prospect. He WILL be better than Andrew Luck. He's got the intangibles, arm strength, accuracy, and mobility. He would be the best quarterback in the NFL for the 2011 season if he was a pro. He'd have 40 TD's and 10 INT's. He'd win MVP in his rookie year. Bottom line is that this guy is good.

PossibleCabbage
07-04-2011, 02:07 AM
He would be the best quarterback in the NFL for the 2011 season if he was a pro.

This is where it's clear you're just being ridiculous. You're saying that Landry Jones, no matter what team he plays for, would outperform Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Philip Rivers with their supporting casts next year?

This has to be a troll post. There's no way anybody can honestly believe that.

There has never been, and will never be, a college quarterback who can go into the NFL and instantly be the best quarterback in the league with no reference to his supporting cast.

wordofi
07-04-2011, 09:59 AM
This is where it's clear you're just being ridiculous. You're saying that Landry Jones, no matter what team he plays for, would outperform Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and Philip Rivers with their supporting casts next year?

This has to be a troll post. There's no way anybody can honestly believe that.

There has never been, and will never be, a college quarterback who can go into the NFL and instantly be the best quarterback in the league with no reference to his supporting cast.

The guy has the "it" factor. He acts like he belongs.

PossibleCabbage
07-04-2011, 11:24 AM
The guy has the "it" factor. He acts like he belongs.

So does Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco and yet none of those guys are top 5 QBs even with years of NFL experience.

wordofi
07-04-2011, 01:40 PM
So does Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco and yet none of those guys are top 5 QBs even with years of NFL experience.

They're just not trying enough.

descendency
07-04-2011, 02:51 PM
If Tom Brady were at OU, They'd have to make sure they could display scores of over 200. Landry Jones is a good, but not great QB (in the NFL starting QB context). Sam Bradford is better.

Mr. Offseason
07-05-2011, 12:56 PM
That's going to be a really under the radar thing in the early going. He really locks on to his targets at times.

Bradford did the exact same thing.

I think Landry is a late 1st/early 2nd right now, not sure where he will end up. Depends on how he progresses. He has ability, but his decision-making worries me a bit.

ElectricEye
07-05-2011, 01:16 PM
Bradford did the exact same thing.

That actually couldn't be further from the truth. The major plus about Bradford was how good he was picking through coverage and finding the open man. It's on all the scouting reports, apparent in all the film, and was just a generally consensus accepted thing.

Mr. Offseason
07-05-2011, 02:00 PM
That actually couldn't be further from the truth. The major plus about Bradford was how good he was picking through coverage and finding the open man. It's on all the scouting reports, apparent in all the film, and was just a generally consensus accepted thing.

Well I would disagree with that statement. He frequently stared down his primary read in the games that I watched. That's not to say that he couldn't read a defense or go through a progression, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. That tends to happen in spread offenses, especially ones that require quick throws.

wordofi
07-08-2011, 09:56 AM
If Tom Brady were at OU, They'd have to make sure they could display scores of over 200. Landry Jones is a good, but not great QB (in the NFL starting QB context). Sam Bradford is better.

Te garantizo que Landry Jones va a ganar un Super Bowl como novato mariscal de campo. Él es el mejor mariscal de campo que he visto. El tipo de intangibles están por las nubes. Cuando estaban abajo por 21 puntos, lideró a su equipo a la victoria. Se quedó en el bolsillo en ese juego uno, sabiendo que él iba a pulsar el botón Reproducir después de jugar. Se lleva a sus compañeros cuando no están jugando bien. ¿Lo has visto salir aquella época? Su receptor se echó a llorar? Algunos de los tiros que hace es simplemente increíble. Lo he visto hacer tiros en una ventana de seis pulgadas. Eso es lo que vamos a tener que hacer en la NFL. Su fuerza en el brazo es increíble. Puede lanzar la pelota lejos, y él tiene una excelente postal. Su capacidad de cambiar el juego en la línea de golpeo es legendaria. ¿Has visto eso audible que hizo que se convirtió el juego en un momento del aterrizaje? Este hombre ha hecho de la NFL. Él domina desde el primer día.