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DoughBoy
07-07-2011, 09:35 PM
The basic idea of this thread is combining each North, South, East and West division together to form an ultimate team (ex AFC South combined with NFC South/ NFC North Combined with AFC North). I put a poll option in when we eventually get a consensus on the teams. Note: Not everyone is going to be familiar with the other confrence so make your own list to pimp the better player.

Rules: Choose 3 wrs/ 3 corners and you can have either a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. Must also include return men.

Mine for the AFC and NFC South

QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Chris Johnson
WR-Andre Johnson
WR-Roddy White
WR- Reggie Wayne
TE- Dallas Clark

T-Michael Roos
G-Carl Nicks
C- Ryan Kalil
G- Jahri Evans
T-David Stewart

DE- Dwight Freeny
DT-Terrance Knighton
DT-Sedrick Ellis
DE-John Abraham

LB-Curtis Lofton
LB-Jonathan Vilma
LB-Jon Beason

CB-Jabari Greer
CB- Cortland Finnegan
Nickle-Brent Grimes

S- Michael Griffin
S-Antoine Bethea

K-UM
P-UMMMMMM

Return- Steve Smith

PhinsRock
07-07-2011, 09:50 PM
AFC and NFC East:

QB: Tom Brady
RB: Ahmad Bradshaw
WR: Brandon Marshall
WR: DeSean Jackson
WR: Miles Austin
TE: Jason Witten

LT: Jake Long
LG: Logan Mankins
C: Nick Mangold
RG: Leonard Davis
RT: Vernon Carey

34 defense:

DE: Kyle Williams
NT: Vince Wilfork
DE: Randy Starks

OLB: Cameron Wake
ILB: Karlos Dansby
ILB: David Harris
OLB: DeMarcus Ware

CB: Darrelle Revis
CB: Asante Samuel
CB: Vontae Davis
FS: Antrelle Rolle
SS: LaRon Landry

K: Dan Carpenter
P: Brian Moorman

Return: DeSean Jackson/CJ Spiller

Pat Sims 90
07-07-2011, 10:06 PM
AFC/NFC North


QB- Aaron Rodgers Green Bay
RB- Adrian Peterson Minnesota
FB- Le'Ron McClain Baltimore
WR- Greg Jennings Green Bay
WR- Calvin Johnson JR Detroit
WR- Mike Wallace Pittsburgh
TE- Jermichael Finley Green Bay
OT- Joe Thomas Cleveland
OT- Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati
OG- Ben Grubbs Baltimore
OG- Steve Hutchinson Minnesota
OC- Maurkice Pouncey Pittsburgh

DE- Jared Allen Minnesota
DE- Julius Peppers Chicago
DT- Haloti Ngata Baltimore
DT- Ngamukong Suh Detroit
OLB- James Harrison Pittsburgh
ILB- Ray Lewis Baltimore
OLB- Clay Matthews Green Bay
CB- Tramon Williams Green Bay
CB- Leon Hall Cincinnati
CB- Jonathan Joseph Cincinnati
S- Ed Reed Baltimore
S- Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh

K- Billy Cundiff Baltimore
P- Reggie Hodges Cleveland
RET- Devin Hester Chicago

SubNoize
07-07-2011, 10:13 PM
AFC and NFC West

QB- Philip Rivers
RB- Steven Jackson
FB- Mike Tolbert
WR- Larry Fitzgerald
WR- Vincent Jackson
WR- Dwayne Bowe
TE- Antonio Gates


LT: Marcus Mcneil
G: Kris Dielman
C: Eric Heitmann
G: Brian Waters
RT: Roger Saffold


3-4 Defense

DE: Calais Campbell
NT: Aubrayo Franklin
DE: Luis Castillo

OLB: Tamba Hali
ILB: Patrick Willis
ILB: Daryl Washington
OLB: Elvis Dumervil

CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
CB: Brandon Flowers
CB: Quentin Jammer
S: Adrian Wilson
S: Eric Berry

K: Josh Brown
P: Shane Lechler

Return: Jacoby Ford/ LaRod Stephens-Howling

Hines
07-07-2011, 10:21 PM
Man, that AFC and NFC North team is ******* stacked.

hawkeye123
07-07-2011, 10:22 PM
NFC & AFC West

Offense:

QB: Philip Rivers
RB: Jamaal Charles
WR: Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Dwayne Bowe
WR: Vincent Jackson
TE: Vernon Davis

LT: Marcus McNeil
LG: Mike Iupati
C: Nick Hardwick
RG: Kris Dielman
RT: Jason Smith

Defense:

DE: Justin Smith
DT: Darnell Dockett
DT: Tommy Kelly
DE: Richard Seymour

OLB: Tamba Hali
ILB: Patrick Willis
OLB: Aaron Curry

CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
CB: Champ Bailey
CB: Quentin Jammer
S: Brian Dawkins
S: Eric Berry

K: Nate Kaeding
P: Andy Lee

Return: Jacoby Ford

Mr.Regular
07-07-2011, 10:27 PM
AFC/NFC North


QB- Aaron Rodgers Green Bay
RB- Adrian Peterson Minnesota
FB- Le'Ron McClain Baltimore
WR- Greg Jennings Green Bay
WR- Calvin Johnson JR Detroit
WR- Mike Wallace Pittsburgh
TE- Jermichael Finley Green Bay
OT- Joe Thomas Cleveland
OT- Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati
OG- Ben Grubbs Baltimore
OG- Steve Hutchinson Minnesota
OC- Maurkice Pouncey Pittsburgh

DE- Jared Allen Minnesota
DE- Julius Peppers Chicago
DT- Haloti Ngata Baltimore
DT- Ngamukong Suh Detroit
OLB- James Harrison Pittsburgh
ILB- Ray Lewis Baltimore
OLB- Clay Matthews Green Bay
CB- Tramon Williams Green Bay
CB- Leon Hall Cincinnati
CB- Jonathan Joseph Cincinnati
S- Ed Reed Baltimore
S- Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh

K- Billy Cundiff Baltimore
P- Reggie Hodges Cleveland
RET- Devin Hester Chicago
Good list, but it needs more Josh Sitton. Best lineman in the NFC North.
I'd also throw Lawrence Timmons in there.

SubNoize
07-07-2011, 10:31 PM
if i hadnt forgot about the seahawks existence, I would have switch LaRod out for Leon Washington and added Lofa Tatupu over Washington.

SubNoize
07-07-2011, 10:32 PM
seriously? marcus mcneil? *eyeroll*

not that it matters much. the wests would get rolled by everyone.

I immediately thought of switching him out for Clady

Splat
07-07-2011, 10:37 PM
NFC & AFC West

Offense:

QB: Philip Rivers
RB: Jamaal Charles
WR: Larry Fitzgerald
WR: Dwayne Bowe
WR: Vincent Jackson
TE: Vernon Davis

LT: Marcus McNeil
LG: Mike Iupati
C: Nick Hardwick
RG: Kris Dielman
RT: Jason Smith

Defense:

DE: Justin Smith
DT: Darnell Dockett
DT: Tommy Kelly
DE: Richard Seymour

OLB: Tamba Hali
ILB: Patrick Willis
OLB: Aaron Curry

CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
CB: Champ Bailey
CB: Quentin Jammer
S: Brian Dawkins
S: Eric Berry

K: Nate Kaeding
P: Andy Lee

Return: Jacoby Ford

I love me some Tamba Hali but he has no business playing OLB in a 4-3. Also Vernon Davis over Gates screams homer.

etk
07-07-2011, 10:39 PM
The basic idea of this thread is combining each North, South, East and West division together to form an ultimate team (ex AFC South combined with NFC South/ NFC North Combined with AFC North). I put a poll option in when we eventually get a consensus on the teams. Note: Not everyone is going to be familiar with the other confrence so make your own list to pimp the better player.

Rules: Choose 3 wrs/ 3 corners and you can have either a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. Must also include return men.

Mine for the AFC and NFC South

QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Chris Johnson
WR-Andre Johnson
WR-Roddy White
WR- Reggie Wayne
TE- Dallas Clark

T-Michael Roos
G-Carl Nicks
C- Ryan Kalil
G- Jahri Evans
T-David Stewart

DE- Dwight Freeny
DT-Terrance Knighton
DT-Sedrick Ellis
DE-John Abraham

LB-Curtis Lofton
LB-Jonathan Vilma
LB-Jon Beason

CB-Jabari Greer
CB- Cortland Finnegan
Nickle-Brent Grimes

S- Michael Griffin
S-Antoine Bethea

K-UM
P-UMMMMMM

Return- Steve Smith

1st off, Talib is leagues better than any of those 3 corners.

2nd, Lofton should be the MLB instead of Vilma. Vilma can play outside but Lofton is a true thumper MLB. Granted you didn't specify so that may be how you intended it.

lI'm not a fan of that DL. Freeney is the RDE, no doubt. Babineaux is better than Ellis from the NFCS (I don't know the AFC well). Get Abraham out of there - he's too inconsistent and you don't want 2 speedy pass rushers. Mario Williams is a no-brainer.

Eric Weems should be the return man. He was a Pro Bowler last year.

gpngc
07-07-2011, 10:45 PM
The only question is who is #2 and #3. I think it's pretty clear North is #1 and West is #4.

So for East and South it pretty much comes down to Peyton vs. Brady. We need another thread for them.

cmarq83
07-07-2011, 10:58 PM
I think the teams go as follows:

1) North
2) East
3) South
4) West

Here is my North team

QB: Tom Brady
RB: Lesean McCoy
WR: Brandon Marshall
WR: Desean Jackson
WR: Miles Austin
TE: Jason Witten

T: Jake Long
G: Logan Mankins
C: Nick Mangold
G: Chris Snee
T: DBrickshaw Ferguson

DE: Kyle Williams
NT: Vince Wilfork
DE: Trent Cole/ Justin Tuck

OLB: Cameron Wake
MLB: Jerod Mayo
MLB: David Harris
OLB: DeMarcus Ware

CB: Darrelle Revis
S: Quentin Mikell
S: Antrell Rolle
CB: Devin McCourty
nickel CB: Asante Samuel

K: Steven Gostkowski
P: Brian Moorman

KR: DeSean Jackson

Strengths: O-Line is far and away the best, Front 7
Weaknesses: Skill position talent, Safeties

DoughBoy
07-07-2011, 10:58 PM
1st off, Talib is leagues better than any of those 3 corners.

2nd, Lofton should be the MLB instead of Vilma. Vilma can play outside but Lofton is a true thumper MLB. Granted you didn't specify so that may be how you intended it.

lI'm not a fan of that DL. Freeney is the RDE, no doubt. Babineaux is better than Ellis from the NFCS (I don't know the AFC well). Get Abraham out of there - he's too inconsistent and you don't want 2 speedy pass rushers. Mario Williams is a no-brainer.

Eric Weems should be the return man. He was a Pro Bowler last year.

1)Kinda took Aquib out because of the jail thing, but have no problem with putting him in.
2) I honestly just put down the 3 best linebackers I could think of
2) Mario is inconsistent at times as well
3) I forgot about him and Mariani as well ( :O) Weems deserves it more out of the 2 though. Thought about Jason Jones and Babineux over Ellis, but I thought I would piss everyone off. :)

wogitalia
07-08-2011, 01:15 AM
I think it's fair to say that the North can't be matched.

QB - Rodgers(Roethlisberger)
RB - Peterson(Mendenhall and Rice)
WR - Jennings
WR - Boldin
WR - Johnson
WR - Wallace(Rice, Ward and Harvin, amongst others)
TE - Miller(Heap, Olsen, Finley, Shiancoe)
OT - Joe Thomas
OG - Steve Hutchinson
C - Maurkice Pouncey
OG - Sitton
OT - Whitworth?

4-3
DE - Jared Allen
DT - Williams
DT - Ngata
DE - Julius Peppers(Suggs)

OLB - Greenway
MLB - Lewis(Urlacher)
OLB - Briggs

3-4

DE - Ngata
DT - Raji
DE - Williams(Smith, Keisel, Jenkins)

OLB - Matthews
MLB - Lewis
MLB - Timmons
OLB - Harrison(Woodley)

CB - Woodson
CB - Tramon Williams
CB - Leon Hall
CB - Jonathon Joseph
S - Ed Reed
S - Troy Polamalu.

The division is just about incomparable.

QB you have probably the 3rd or 4th best player in the league(could be higher). With very solid depth and perhaps most scarily, so much potential(Stafford, Cutler, Flacco and RBerger).

RB you have at worst the 2nd best in the league with great depth again.

WR is arguably the weakest position on the team and you still have Calvin Johnson, Boldin, Rice, Harvin, the Packers WRs, Ward et al to pick from!

TE is another "weakish" spot but has the very solid Miller and some great potential with Olsen, Finley and Pettigrew amongst others.

OT you have the best in the business in Joe Thomas and then a whole lot of very solid options for his opposite, went with Whitworth as I'm always impressed by him when I see him. Lots of good young guys in this position as well!

OG was pretty easy for me, Hutch wasn't as good as in the past but is still amongst the very best to have ever played the position. Sitton is a beast who passed Hutch by last year. Grubbs is also a beast amongst a few others!

OC was Pouncey but could easily have been a couple of others, notably Kreutz and Birk, who are probably both headed to the HOF.

Defense is where the team elevates though. A very legitimate arguement could be made that the division has the 3 best DTs in football, the 2 best DEs, two of the three best MLBs, the top 3 OLB, 4 top ten CBs and the two best safeties. In fact it is just god damn scary to consider what you could run. I'd be surprised if you could make a better defense if you combined the other 6 divisions together, the only position you could actually upgrade is the CBs.

TitanHope
07-08-2011, 02:23 AM
In the individual division All Star teams, the two best were the AFC North and AFC South. Basically, immovable defense vs unstoppable offense.

It's still the same for me. While the football dork in me wants to vote defense, I can't knowing Peyton Manning would be passing it to Andre Johnson/Roddy White/Reggie Wayne/Dallas Clark and then handing it off to Chris Johnson (and if we're talking depth wise, the absolute best RB stable in the league with CJ, MoJo Drew, Arian Foster, Michael Turner, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Joseph Addai, Reggie Bush, LeGarrette Blount) behind an OL that improved with Jahri Evans and Ryan Kalil when the rules lend themselves to the offense's advantage.

The North will win the vote. I can tell you that right now. It's so freakin' close, and the NFC North fanbases have the most forum members here and the East and West fans will probably side with defense. But no defense is going to stop the South offense.

etk
07-08-2011, 08:04 AM
1)Kinda took Aquib out because of the jail thing, but have no problem with putting him in.
2) I honestly just put down the 3 best linebackers I could think of
2) Mario is inconsistent at times as well
3) I forgot about him and Mariani as well ( :O) Weems deserves it more out of the 2 though. Thought about Jason Jones and Babineux over Ellis, but I thought I would piss everyone off. :)

Mario is inconsistent but he's also 290 lbs. Abraham and Freeney are both around 260-265.

Yeah Jones and Mariani work as well.

cmarq83
07-08-2011, 08:11 AM
I actually think the North and the East teams would probably split 10 games 5-5 just because the way the two teams strengths line up. East O-Line vs. North D-Line which are the 2 best facets of either team are arguably a push. CB's in the East are incredible and they go 5 deep against the North's receivers very well. Tom Brady is the perfect CB for their playmaking secondary since he doesn't make too many mistakes.

If you compare the teams player for player you'd find that they come out about even in terms of talent.

BmoreBlackByrdz
07-08-2011, 08:21 AM
It's gatta be the North, they are stacked at all the important positions

QB - Rodgers, Stafford, Cutler, Roethlisberger, Flacco
RB - Peterson, Rice, Forte, Mendenhall, Benson, Hillis, Best
OL - Joe Thomas, Yanda, Grubbs, Oher, Whitworth, Pouncey, Hutchinson, Sitton

Interior Dline - Ngata, Raji, Hampton, Peko, Williams Wall, Suh, Smith, Keisel, Jenkins

Pass rushers - Woodley, Harrison, Suggs, Odom, Matthews, Peppers, Allen, Edwards

Defensive Backs - Reed, Polamalu, Collins, Haden, Hall, Joseph, I. Taylor, Winfield, Wilson, Williams, Wright, Woodson

I don't think it matters how stacked an offense is, the rotation this front 7 would have is absolutely unreal. Swap our Ngata for Suh or B.J. Raji
Clay Matthews for Lamar Woodley or Jared Allen.

All that with Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu running free.

falloutboy14
07-08-2011, 09:29 AM
The North team is essentially Revis & Asomugha away from being an all-pro team. Can essentially field two all-star front 7s from those divisions

Interesting debate would be: which is the better defense? The 3-4 that the AFC North provides, or the 4-3 that the NFC north provides.

Ngata, Hampton, Smith
Harrison, Lewis, Woodley, Suggs

vs

Allen, Suh, Raji, Peppers
Mathews, Urlacher, Greenway

ImBrotherCain
07-08-2011, 09:34 AM
The North team is essentially Revis & Asomugha away from being an all-pro team. Can essentially field two all-star front 7s from those divisions

Interesting debate would be: which is the better defense? The 3-4 that the AFC North provides, or the 4-3 that the NFC north provides.

Ngata, Hampton, Smith
Harrison, Lewis, Woodley, Suggs

vs

Allen, Suh, Raji, Peppers
Mathews, Urlacher, Greenway

You wouldn't have Clay in the 3-4 Scheme?

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
07-08-2011, 09:37 AM
Even though i am a south homer off the top of my head the North should go rape face. Aaron rodgers ravens/steelers/packers/bears D rape face.

wordofi
07-08-2011, 09:45 AM
La NFC y AFC North es claramente la mejor combinación. Tiene jugadores de élite en casi todas las posiciones. La gente que votó la NFC y AFC West como la mejor combinación son risibles.

fear the elf
07-08-2011, 11:46 AM
OC was Pouncey but could easily have been a couple of others, notably Kreutz and Birk, who are probably both headed to the HOF.

Just to get my homer plug in here; to acknowledge Pouncey and not even mention Alex Mack is borderline criminal. Yes, Pouncey had a great year by rookie standards and gets all the media attention because he's a Steeler, but Alex Mack is at least in the same discussion with him.

/homer

Also, the North in unstoppable.

A Perfect Score
07-08-2011, 11:52 AM
I pretty much jizzed all over my computer monitor when I saw a defensive line of Peppers - Suh - Ngata - Allen. Thats just about a wrap on the defensive line conversation, it doesn't get any better then that. Dear god it would be awesome to watch those 4 play. Ed Reed and Polamalu would have an absolute field day back there with that front 4. Adding in Ray Lewis, Clay Mathews and James Harrison/Lance Briggs/Lawrence Timmons is just absolutely unfair.

DoughBoy
07-08-2011, 12:19 PM
QB-Peyton Manning
RB-Chris Johnson
FB- Vonte Leach
WR-Andre Johnson
WR-Roddy White
WR- Reggie Wayne
TE- Dallas Clark

T-Michael Roos
G-Carl Nicks
C- Ryan Kalil
G- Jahri Evans
T-David Stewart

DE-Mario Williams
DT-Terrence Knighton
DE-Jason Jones

LB- John Abraham
LB-Curtis Lofton
LB-Jonathan Vilma
LB-Dwight Freeny

CB-Aqib Talib
CB-Jabari Greer
Nickle-Cortland Finnegan

S- Michael Griffin
S-Antoine Bethea

K-Rob Bironas
P-UMMMMMM

Return-Eric Weems


Anyone like the AFC south 3-4 better than the 4-3?

wicket
07-08-2011, 01:06 PM
1st off, Talib is leagues better than any of those 3 corners.

2nd, Lofton should be the MLB instead of Vilma. Vilma can play outside but Lofton is a true thumper MLB. Granted you didn't specify so that may be how you intended it.

lI'm not a fan of that DL. Freeney is the RDE, no doubt. Babineaux is better than Ellis from the NFCS (I don't know the AFC well). Get Abraham out of there - he's too inconsistent and you don't want 2 speedy pass rushers. Mario Williams is a no-brainer.

Eric Weems should be the return man. He was a Pro Bowler last year.

outside of mario williams over abraham i dont agree with a single thing you say in here

YAYareaRB
07-08-2011, 01:43 PM
http://ivantcheva.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/tupac-westside.jpg

Keywords: Speed

I'm definitely ready to defend any of my selections because everyone's got an opinion lol

QB - Phillip Rivers
HB - Jamaal Charles
FB - Jacob Hester
WR - Larry Fitzgerald
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Vincent Jackson
TE - Vernon Davis
TE - Antonio Gates

LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Mike Iupati
C - Nick Hardwick
RG - Brian Waters
RT - Ryan Clady

DE - Justin Smith
NT - Aubrayo Franklin
DE - Luis Castillo

OLB - Von Miller
ILB - Patrick Willis
ILB - Rolando McClain
OLB -Shaun Phillips

CB - Namdi Asomougha
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Patrick Peterson
FS - Earl Thomas
SS - Adrian Wilson

K - Sebastian Janikowski
P - Andy Lee

KR/PR - Dexter McCluster

wordofi
07-08-2011, 01:54 PM
http://ivantcheva.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/tupac-westside.jpg

Keywords: Speed

I'm definitely ready to defend any of my selections because everyone's got an opinion lol

QB - Phillip Rivers
HB - Jamaal Charles
FB - Jacob Hester
WR - Larry Fitzgerald
WR - Dwayne Bowe
WR - Vincent Jackson
TE - Vernon Davis
TE - Antonio Gates

LT - Marcus McNeil
LG - Mike Iupati
C - Nick Hardwick
RG - Brian Waters
RT - Ryan Clady

DE - Justin Smith
NT - Aubrayo Franklin
DE - Luis Castillo

OLB - Von Miller
ILB - Patrick Willis
ILB - Rolando McClain
OLB -Shaun Phillips

CB - Namdi Asomougha
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Patrick Peterson
FS - Earl Thomas
SS - Adrian Wilson

K - Sebastian Janikowski
P - Andy Lee

KR/PR - Dexter McCluster

Las líneas ofensivas y defensivas son bastante débiles. Ni siquiera comparar el NFC North. Suh y Ngata se están riendo muy duro en sus AFC y la NFC West la competencia, ya que no merecen ser mencionados en la misma frase.

YAYareaRB
07-08-2011, 02:05 PM
Las líneas ofensivas y defensivas son bastante débiles. Ni siquiera comparar el NFC North. Suh y Ngata se están riendo muy duro en sus AFC y la NFC West la competencia, ya que no merecen ser mencionados en la misma frase.

from what little i understand in spanish, i think our lines are better than you giving them credit for. i think non NFC west fans dont understand the impact both Dawkins and Smith have on the d-line. Aubrayo Franklin is arguably the best 3-4 NT in the conference.

wasn't sure about our OLine though, i'll give you that. although again, i think you're just looking for big name guys instead of actual performance and production. the 50+ guys who make pro bowls aren't the only guys that can play some ball

ArkyRamsFan
07-08-2011, 02:26 PM
wait, why is von miller in a 34? why would you possibly put him into a defense he could actually excel in? rabblerabble.



Ahhh...Sarcasm!!

YAYareaRB
07-08-2011, 03:05 PM
i'd flip clady and mcneill, not that it matters much.

very true.. dont know what i was thinking

OSUGiants17
07-08-2011, 03:23 PM
North > East > South > West

North Team:
QB- Aaron Rodgers
RB- Adrian Peterson/Rice/Mendenhall
FB- Peyton Hillis
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Greg Jennings
WR- Anquan Bolden
WR- Percy Harvin/Mike Wallace/Ocho Cinco
TE- Heap/Gresham/Finley
OT- Andrew Witworth
OG- Steve Hutchinson
C- Maurkice Pouncey
OG- Josh Sitton
OT- Joe Thomas

DE- Julius Peppers/Carlos Dunlap
DT- Ndamukong Suh/BJ Raji
DT- Haloti Ngata/Williams
DE- Jared Allen/Terrell Suggs
OLB- James Harrison/Lance Briggs
ILB- Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher
OLB- Clay Matthews/LaMarr Woodley
CB- Tramon Williams/Leon Hall
S- Ed Reed
S- Troy Polamalu
CB- Jonathan Joseph/Joe Hadden

K- Mason Crosby
P- Sam Koch
KR/PR- Devin Hester/Josh Cribbs

wordofi
07-08-2011, 03:41 PM
North > East > South > West

North Team:
QB- Aaron Rodgers
RB- Adrian Peterson/Rice/Mendenhall
FB- Peyton Hillis
WR- Calvin Johnson
WR- Greg Jennings
WR- Anquan Bolden
WR- Percy Harvin/Mike Wallace/Ocho Cinco
TE- Heap/Gresham/Finley
OT- Andrew Witworth
OG- Steve Hutchinson
C- Maurkice Pouncey
OG- Josh Sitton
OT- Joe Thomas

DE- Julius Peppers/Carlos Dunlap
DT- Ndamukong Suh/BJ Raji
DT- Haloti Ngata/Williams
DE- Jared Allen/Terrell Suggs
OLB- James Harrison/Lance Briggs
ILB- Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher
OLB- Clay Matthews/LaMarr Woodley
CB- Tramon Williams/Leon Hall
S- Ed Reed
S- Troy Polamalu
CB- Jonathan Joseph/Joe Hadden

K- Mason Crosby
P- Sam Koch
KR/PR- Devin Hester/Josh Cribbs

Esta lista demuestra que la NFC y AFC North se combinan para producir los mejores talentos de la NFL.

ellsy82
07-08-2011, 03:43 PM
AFC/NFC North


QB- Aaron Rodgers Green Bay
RB- Adrian Peterson Minnesota
FB- Le'Ron McClain Baltimore
WR- Greg Jennings Green Bay
WR- Calvin Johnson JR Detroit
WR- Mike Wallace Pittsburgh
TE- Jermichael Finley Green Bay
OT- Joe Thomas Cleveland
OT- Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati
OG- Ben Grubbs Baltimore
OG- Steve Hutchinson Minnesota
OC- Maurkice Pouncey Pittsburgh

DE- Jared Allen Minnesota
DE- Julius Peppers Chicago
DT- Haloti Ngata Baltimore
DT- Ngamukong Suh Detroit
OLB- James Harrison Pittsburgh
ILB- Ray Lewis Baltimore
OLB- Clay Matthews Green Bay
CB- Tramon Williams Green Bay
CB- Leon Hall Cincinnati
CB- Jonathan Joseph Cincinnati
S- Ed Reed Baltimore
S- Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh

K- Billy Cundiff Baltimore
P- Reggie Hodges Cleveland
RET- Devin Hester Chicago

Wow...that's gonna be tough to beat.

niel89
07-08-2011, 03:56 PM
The North is amazing everywhere but WR and CB. Not saying they are bad but there is room for improvement.

OSUGiants17
07-08-2011, 04:02 PM
Esta lista demuestra que la NFC y AFC North se combinan para producir los mejores talentos de la NFL.

For those that speak American:
This list demonstrates that the NFC and AFC North combine to produce the most talent of the NFL

nepg
07-08-2011, 04:08 PM
There seems to be some things terribly wrong about the East team... Not nearly as good as it should be.

OSUGiants17
07-08-2011, 04:33 PM
There seems to be some things terribly wrong about the East team... Not nearly as good as it should be.

QB- Brady/Vick
RB- Bradshaw/McCoy/Greene
WR- Austin
WR- Nicks
WR- Bryant
WR- Jackson
WR- Marshall
TE- Witten/Keller/Gronk
OT- Long
OG- Mankins
C- Mangold
G- Snee
T- Ferguson

4-3
DE- Tuck/Wake
DT- Wilfork/Ratliff
DT- Cofield/Kyle Williams
DE- Cole/Umenyiora
OLB- Ware/Simms
ILB- Poz/Fletcher
OLB- Orakpo/Boley
CB- Revis/Thomas
S- Rolle/Byrd
S- Meriweather/Leonhard
CB- Samuel/McCourtey

3-4
DE- Ellis/Warren
DT- Wilfork/Ratliff
DE- Langfork
OLB- Ware/Wake
ILB- Harris/Fletcher
ILB- Mayo/Scott
OLB- Orakpo/Pace

YAYareaRB
07-08-2011, 04:41 PM
I think the NFC west has the strongest depth at RB. [/boldstatement]

nepg
07-08-2011, 04:45 PM
I think the NFC west has the strongest depth at RB. [/boldstatement]
That's not a bold statement at all... Look at the West...

Charles/Jones, Jackson, Gore, McFadden/Bush, Matthews...

Rosebud
07-08-2011, 04:49 PM
QB- Brady/Vick
RB- Bradshaw/McCoy/Greene
WR- Austin
WR- Nicks
WR- Bryant
WR- Jackson
WR- Marshall
TE- Witten/Keller/Gronk
OT- Long
OG- Mankins
C- Mangold
G- Snee
T- Ferguson

4-3
DE- Tuck/Wake
DT- Wilfork/Ratliff
DT- Cofield/Kyle Williams
DE- Cole/Umenyiora
OLB- Ware/Simms
ILB- Poz/Fletcher
OLB- Orakpo/Boley
CB- Revis/Thomas
S- Rolle/Byrd
S- Meriweather/Leonhard
CB- Samuel/McCourtey

3-4
DE- Ellis/Warren
DT- Wilfork/Ratliff
DE- Langfork
OLB- Ware/Wake
ILB- Harris/Fletcher
ILB- Mayo/Scott
OLB- Orakpo/Pace

I disagree with Cofield over Kyle Williams or even Ratliff in the 4-3. Plus with Ware on one side I'd play a true OLB like Boley on the otherside instead of Orakpo, keep Ware free to blitz whenever you want.

LE - Tuck/Rak
NT - Wilfork/Canty/Cofield
DT - Kyle Williams/Ratliff
RE - Cole/Osi

SLB - Ware/Wake
MLB - Mayo/Poz
WLB - Boley/Mayo

YAYareaRB
07-08-2011, 04:50 PM
That's not a bold statement at all... Look at the West...

Charles/Jones, Jackson, Gore, McFadden/Bush, Matthews...

i was being a tad sarcastic since the thought of the West having anything better than anyone would be called blasphemy, or blasfemia

LonghornsLegend
07-08-2011, 04:52 PM
AFC/NFC North


QB- Aaron Rodgers Green Bay
RB- Adrian Peterson Minnesota
FB- Le'Ron McClain Baltimore
WR- Greg Jennings Green Bay
WR- Calvin Johnson JR Detroit
WR- Mike Wallace Pittsburgh
TE- Jermichael Finley Green Bay
OT- Joe Thomas Cleveland
OT- Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati
OG- Ben Grubbs Baltimore
OG- Steve Hutchinson Minnesota
OC- Maurkice Pouncey Pittsburgh

DE- Jared Allen Minnesota
DE- Julius Peppers Chicago
DT- Haloti Ngata Baltimore
DT- Ngamukong Suh Detroit
OLB- James Harrison Pittsburgh
ILB- Ray Lewis Baltimore
OLB- Clay Matthews Green Bay
CB- Tramon Williams Green Bay
CB- Leon Hall Cincinnati
CB- Jonathan Joseph Cincinnati
S- Ed Reed Baltimore
S- Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh

K- Billy Cundiff Baltimore
P- Reggie Hodges Cleveland
RET- Devin Hester Chicago




I knew the defense would be sick, but that offense is a killer. Wouldn't see them losing anything. That D-line is ridiculous.

wordofi
07-08-2011, 04:59 PM
I pretty much jizzed all over my computer monitor when I saw a defensive line of Peppers - Suh - Ngata - Allen. Thats just about a wrap on the defensive line conversation, it doesn't get any better then that. Dear god it would be awesome to watch those 4 play. Ed Reed and Polamalu would have an absolute field day back there with that front 4. Adding in Ray Lewis, Clay Mathews and James Harrison/Lance Briggs/Lawrence Timmons is just absolutely unfair.

Es seguro decir que el delito tendría que oponerse a cinco linieros ofensivos, dos corredores, y un ala cerrada para que dejen de saquear el mariscal de campo.

yo123
07-08-2011, 05:16 PM
You're really, really not funny.

scottyboy
07-08-2011, 05:18 PM
the East's OL would be just unreal. That gives them their fighting chance.
D'brick-Mankins-Mangold-Snee-Long.

that's a ridiculous line

cmarq83
07-08-2011, 05:36 PM
the East's OL would be just unreal. That gives them their fighting chance.
D'brick-Mankins-Mangold-Snee-Long.

that's a ridiculous line

They probably have 3 of the 5 best O lineman in the NFL on that team.

SubNoize
07-08-2011, 05:38 PM
Es seguro decir que el delito tendría que oponerse a cinco linieros ofensivos, dos corredores, y un ala cerrada para que dejen de saquear el mariscal de campo.

your spanish is just awful.

wordofi
07-08-2011, 05:41 PM
your spanish is just awful.

¿Hablas español?

scottyboy
07-08-2011, 06:47 PM
your spanish is just awful.

he's clearly just typing his posts into google translator and posting them here

wordofi
07-08-2011, 06:56 PM
he's clearly just typing his posts into google translator and posting them here

No estoy usando Google Translator. Hablo español con fluidez.

mario
07-09-2011, 07:03 AM
No estoy usando Google Translator. Hablo español con fluidez.
No man, believe me, your spanish is far from fluid...

etk
07-09-2011, 09:22 AM
DE-Mario Williams
DT-Terrence Knighton
DE-Jason Jones

LB- John Abraham
LB-Curtis Lofton
LB-Jonathan Vilma
LB-Dwight Freeny

CB-Aqib Talib
CB-Jabari Greer
Nickle-Cortland Finnegan

S- Michael Griffin
S-Antoine Bethea

K-Rob Bironas
P-UMMMMMM

Return-Eric Weems


Anyone like the AFC south 3-4 better than the 4-3?

Sure, why not? The 2nd DT is a weak link in the 4-3 so it removes that from the equation. The 4 LBs appear to have good chemistry. I dig it.

outside of mario williams over abraham i dont agree with a single thing you say in here

Good for you. No one cares. Your homer opinion (re: Ellis and Vilma) is worthless, and if you can't recognize the talent of Aqib Talib then you're simply following the wrong sport.

Revis Island
07-09-2011, 10:36 AM
outside of mario williams over abraham i dont agree with a single thing you say in here

You don't agree that Eric Weems, a pro bowl player, should be the returner over a guy that hasn't returned a kick in four years, and has a combined 63 punt return yards over that same time span? Interesting.

wordofi
07-09-2011, 11:58 AM
Just to get my homer plug in here; to acknowledge Pouncey and not even mention Alex Mack is borderline criminal. Yes, Pouncey had a great year by rookie standards and gets all the media attention because he's a Steeler, but Alex Mack is at least in the same discussion with him.

/homer

Also, the North in unstoppable.

I personally thought that Pouncey was overrated last year. His run blocking didn't appear to be that great. Maybe I just got unlucky and only saw him when he wasn't performing well.

wicket
07-09-2011, 12:09 PM
Good for you. No one cares. Your homer opinion (re: Ellis and Vilma) is worthless, and if you can't recognize the talent of Aqib Talib then you're simply following the wrong sport.

talib is talented yes but gamlbes a lot and played worse than any of those corners mentioned, babineaux over ellis is laughable.

If you want to bring a bigass attitude at least dont make idiotic statements

Revis Island
07-09-2011, 01:19 PM
talib is talented yes but gamlbes a lot and played worse than any of those corners mentioned, babineaux over ellis is laughable.

If you want to bring a bigass attitude at least dont make idiotic statements

Funny, you ignore my statement. Jon Babineaux is also alot better than you believe if it is "laughable" to have him over Ellis.

wicket
07-09-2011, 01:30 PM
Funny, you ignore my statement. Jon Babineaux is also alot better than you believe if it is "laughable" to have him over Ellis.

nope i believe its laughable to call it a blatant homerism that I would have him over babineaux

I ignore your statement cuz I think the kick returner should be Mark Mariani but I dont disagree with it enough to make an argument out of it

DoughBoy
07-09-2011, 05:27 PM
nope i believe its laughable to call it a blatant homerism that I would have him over babineaux

I ignore your statement cuz I think the kick returner should be Mark Mariani but I dont disagree with it enough to make an argument out of it

I didn't want to be a homer :( .... Eric Weems is the better overall ST if you consider kick-off coverage.

ALSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo.....

Jason Jones > Babineaux, Ellis

LonghornsLegend
07-09-2011, 06:50 PM
The North is amazing everywhere but WR and CB. Not saying they are bad but there is room for improvement.


How is there room for improvement over Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace in the slot, and Finley at TE?

TitanHope
07-11-2011, 02:41 PM
My South team!

QB: Peyton Manning
RB: Chris Johnson
FB: Vonta Leach
WR1: Andre Johnson
WR2: Roddy White
WR3: Reggie Wayne
TE: Dallas Clark
LT: Jordan Gross
LG: Jahri Evans
C: Ryan Kalil
RG: Carl Nicks/David Stewart
RT: Michael Roos


RE: Dwight Freeney
RDT: Jonathan Babineaux/Tony Brown/Shaun Rodgers/Jason Jones/Terrance Knighton/Tyson Alualu/TitanHope
LDT: Sedrick Ellis
LE: Mario Williams
WLB: Jonathan Vilma
MIKE: Jon Beason
SLB: Brian Cushing
CB1: Aqib Talib
CB2: Jabari Greer/Brent Grimes
NB: Cortland Finnegan
RS: Michael Griffin
LS: Roman Harper/Malcolm Jenkins

Yay boredom! Yay offense! It's the only way!

Finnegan at NB > All other NB's. Man he was a beast there.

Revis Island
07-11-2011, 04:10 PM
That South offense looks incredible. Even the O-Line, it's weak spot, is dominant. Ryan Kalil is a top 3 center, Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks are probably both top 5 guards, and Michael Roos is still arguably a top 5 tackle.

Rosebud
07-11-2011, 05:02 PM
They probably have 3 of the 5 best O lineman in the NFL on that team.

Add Brady, a beastly WR corps and that offense will kick ass. The East would have a pretty beastly D also that's just overwhelmed with pass rushers.

Maybe This Year Mayhew
07-11-2011, 07:05 PM
Why is Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall the CBS. Tramon and Charles Woodson need to both be in there with either Hall or Joseph as the 3rd. Slot role Winfield wouldn't be that bad a choice either but I'd still take one of the Cincy corners over Winfield.

Pat Sims 90
07-11-2011, 08:01 PM
Why is Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall the CBS. Tramon and Charles Woodson need to both be in there with either Hall or Joseph as the 3rd. Slot role Winfield wouldn't be that bad a choice either but I'd still take one of the Cincy corners over Winfield.

Because Joseph and Hall are better then Woodson and Winfield both are in the down sloop of their careers. Hall and Joseph don't get any respect because they play for Cincy they are both underrated and both should have been in a Pro Bowl by now.

YAYareaRB
07-11-2011, 08:07 PM
Because Joseph and Hall are better then Woodson and Winfield both are in the down sloop of their careers. Hall and Joseph don't get any respect because they play for Cincy they are both underrated and both should have been in a Pro Bowl by now.

IMO, woodson is still better than both joseph and hall but, to each his own.

TitanHope
07-11-2011, 11:24 PM
That South offense looks incredible. Even the O-Line, it's weak spot, is dominant. Ryan Kalil is a top 3 center, Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks are probably both top 5 guards, and Michael Roos is still arguably a top 5 tackle.

I think the South offense is the single best unit out of every directional team, even better than the North defense.

You have players who you could easily argue as the #1 players at their position in Peyton Manning at QB, Chris Johnson at RB, Vontae Leach at FB, and Andre Johnson at WR. Then you have Roddy White who would probably be the #1 WR for the East, and possibly even the North (challenge in Calvin Johnson) and West (challenge in Larry Fitzgerald). Then you have Reggie Wayne as the slot WR to give Manning a safety blanket due to their familiarity, and Manning has made Dallas Clark into an elite TE so I don't see why that wouldn't translate here.

Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks are both elite OG's, with Evans making 1st Team All Pro and the Pro Bowl for the past two years and Nicks making 2nd Team All Pro and the Pro Bowl last year. Jordan Gross and Michael Roos were toss ups for LT, but Gross made that NFL Network Top 100 Players list so I used that as the tie breaker. Plus, I think Roos would be a stud RT. Ryan Kalil could actually be the weakest link on the offense. I listed David Stewart as well, since I actually had him at RG over Nicks until I did more research, but a right side of Roos and Stewart was mouth watering for me.

If we're talking about a 10 game series, I'd probably put my money on the North. I'm just not in love with the South defense and think the North offense could more often enough score enough on the South defense than Manning and Co. may be able to on the North defense. But if it's one game, I'm totally taking the South because of that offense. Manning will be able to spread defenses out with A. Johnson, White, Wayne, and Clark, which will help hinder the North's 3-4 defense, and he'll still have CJ2K in the backfield who only needs a crease to take it to the house - especially when running behind an amazing FB - and can receive out of the backfield. If Manning spreads people out, they won't be able to focus on CJ, which can be deadly due to CJ's speed. If they focus on CJ, then Manning can take advantage through the air. Not to mention, when they blitz Manning is great at recognizing it and can audible into a check down to CJ who is now behind a chunk of their LB's.

This is a scenario where I absolutely prefer CJ over Adrian Peterson too. The boost that the surrounding talent gives CJ is much bigger than AD since the more people are taken out of the box and the more eyes that are taken off CJ, the chance he hits a homerun becomes even greater than it already is. AD is special because all of his attributes are great - there's really no flaw in him. He is indeed a porcelain goddess sent from above. But CJ is special because he has one mindnumbingly amazing attribute and has the vision, balance, and ability to waste no movement in order to maximize that one attribute despite not being the most powerful or consistent runner. If the surrounding cast was weaker, then I think CJ and AD is the usual tossup choice that depends on the person's preference, but I think AD would be popular because you can pound the rock with him better than you can CJ, which would be useful in a traditional game. But this isn't that, so booyah!

Then the rules that favor offensive players give the immense talent a competitive edge, which seals the deal for me.

So yeah, ten games series? North. One game winner take all? South.

TitanHope
07-12-2011, 12:17 AM
at least, as long as the game isn't in january.

Obviouslyyyy, there's a metaphorical game in a dome followed by a concert by Linkin Park.

They're spygatin' through your windows, snatching your playbooks up. Tryna rip 'em, so ya'll need, to hide yo' checks, hide yo' hikes. Hide yo' checks, hide yo' hikes.

[I COULD'VE DONE MUCH BETTER WITH THIS STILL RED HOT MEME! But I'm sleepy. And it's hard to rhyme when you're sleepy. These are facts.]

wogitalia
07-12-2011, 12:58 AM
I think the South offense is the single best unit out of every directional team, even better than the North defense.

You can do the same thing for the South defense. It isn't even arguable that they have the best DT in the league. It is arguable that they also have the 2nd and 3rd best DTs though to compliment Ngata. Not to mention Hampton and Raji are kind of beastly.

They unquestionably have the two best 4-3 DEs in the league. They arguably have 3 of the top 5 3-4 DEs. If you named the top 4 MLB in the league then the North has 3 of them. OLB they have 3 of the top 4. They have unquestionably the two best safeties and it is those two and daylight. When having 4 of the top 8 CBs in the league is comfortably the worst part of your unit, it's safe to say you have the best unit possible in this type of competition.

Also... helps that the North offense shits all over the South defense ;)

PS... sorry I forgot Mack earlier, love that man beast.

LonghornsLegend
07-12-2011, 01:34 AM
So yeah, ten games series? North. One game winner take all? South.

Yea, I couldn't buy that. The South offense would score a ton like the North offense, no point in going back and forth on that. But the North defense is by far better then the South defense. As good as the line is for the South I think that line would get eaten alive by the North D.



Suh and Ngata as your DT's? That's gonna eat any offensive line up you can put together, and you can pick and choose from any division, won't matter IMO. Jared Allen is the weak link in this defensive line. Peyton would be throwing off of his back foot alot more then Rodgers would, and you can't make 1 mistake with Ed Reed and Polamalu because it's 6. Julius Peppers probably gets single blocked all game.


Who do you double? I'd guess Ngata. You can chip Peppers with someone. So Suh & Jared Allen on opposite ends are flying 1 on 1 and Peyton isn't the best guy once you start hitting him in his face no matter who his WR's are.


Even if they slowed them down on a few series, that would be enough. Aaron Rodgers was dicing up great defenses with his own receiving core. Throw him Calvin Johnson & Mike Wallace and I think it'd be rare they came away without scoring a TD.


Sure vs anyone else the South would probably win, but there isn't an offensive line in this competition that can handle that D-line, and the safety tandem compliments that line, and eachother beautifully.

Matthew Jones
07-12-2011, 02:29 AM
Decided to take a stab at this...

AFC/NFC East:

QB - Tom Brady
RB - LeSean McCoy
WR - DeSean Jackson
WR - Brandon Marshall
WR - Hakeem Nicks
TE - Jason Witten
OT - D'Brickshaw Ferguson
OT - Jake Long
OG - Logan Mankins
OG - Leonard Davis
C - Nick Mangold

DE - Osi Umenyiora
DT - Vince Wilfork
DT - Kevin Williams
DE - Justin Tuck
LB - Brian Orakpo
LB - Jerod Mayo
LB - DeMarcus Ware
CB - Darrelle Revis
CB - Vontae Davis
FS - Patrick Chung
SS - LaRon Landry

KR - Brandon Tate
PR - Dez Bryant

Honorable mention: RB Ahmad Bradshaw, WR Miles Austin, OT Sebastian Vollmer, LB Cameron Wake, LB David Harris, CB Asante Samuel, FS Antrel Rolle

yodabear
07-12-2011, 03:08 AM
I threw the west a sympathy vote. Hey they can win, IT CAN HAPPEN! Ummmmmm, I really have no logical reasoning for it. Other than I am a Rams fan.

TitanHope
07-12-2011, 03:52 AM
Yea, I couldn't buy that. The South offense would score a ton like the North offense, no point in going back and forth on that. But the North defense is by far better then the South defense. As good as the line is for the South I think that line would get eaten alive by the North D.

Suh and Ngata as your DT's? That's gonna eat any offensive line up you can put together, and you can pick and choose from any division, won't matter IMO. Jared Allen is the weak link in this defensive line. Peyton would be throwing off of his back foot alot more then Rodgers would, and you can't make 1 mistake with Ed Reed and Polamalu because it's 6. Julius Peppers probably gets single blocked all game.

Who do you double? I'd guess Ngata. You can chip Peppers with someone. So Suh & Jared Allen on opposite ends are flying 1 on 1 and Peyton isn't the best guy once you start hitting him in his face no matter who his WR's are.

Even if they slowed them down on a few series, that would be enough. Aaron Rodgers was dicing up great defenses with his own receiving core. Throw him Calvin Johnson & Mike Wallace and I think it'd be rare they came away without scoring a TD.

Sure vs anyone else the South would probably win, but there isn't an offensive line in this competition that can handle that D-line, and the safety tandem compliments that line, and eachother beautifully.

You're talking about elite player vs elite player. So saying "that line would get eaten alive by the North D" is pure hyperbole. That absolutely will not happen with players this good on both sides.

Ryan Kalil is the only OL from the South who hasn't made an All Pro team, and he still has 2 Pro Bowl appearances. The East OL is the only one I've seen that's better.

I fail to understand why Jahri Evans, one of the best OG's in the NFL, can't block Ndamukong Suh. I've seen freaking Leroy Harris block Haloti Ngata one-on-one, yet a guy who matches his size in 6'5, 343 lbs. Carl Nicks, who's fresh off 2nd Team All Pro and Pro Bowl awardings, may still get "eaten alive" by Ngata even with Ryan Kalil, who also played in that Pro Bowl, helping with a double team?

I actually like to think the OG tandem is what cements the South OL as an elite unit. Nevermind that the LT is multi-pro bowler and an All Pro or the RT is a milti-All Pro and a Pro Bowler. Peppers is actually probably my biggest worry, but Clark or CJ can chip him and Roos/Gross are good enough to block him until Manning gets the ball out, which will probably be fairly quickly. I'm fine with Jared Allen being blocked one-on-one by either Gross or Roos.

Seriously. They're going to make clowns out of these premier players while Peyton Manning, who is probably operating from the shotgun, is changing the protection to the best possible setup AND they're having to know if Chris Johnson is taking the handoff in the playaction motion? Also, Vontae Leach, the league's best FB, is hitting somebody at some point, whether leading CJ or pass-blocking for Manning.

I stand by my initial thought. If this is one game, I'm taking the South as they have the best QB at the helm of, and I still believe to be, the best fieldable unit while having rules advantage. If it's a series, I'm taking the North since I think strong defense wins longterm.

You can do the same thing for the South defense. It isn't even arguable that they have the best DT in the league. It is arguable that they also have the 2nd and 3rd best DTs though to compliment Ngata. Not to mention Hampton and Raji are kind of beastly.

They unquestionably have the two best 4-3 DEs in the league. They arguably have 3 of the top 5 3-4 DEs. If you named the top 4 MLB in the league then the North has 3 of them. OLB they have 3 of the top 4. They have unquestionably the two best safeties and it is those two and daylight. When having 4 of the top 8 CBs in the league is comfortably the worst part of your unit, it's safe to say you have the best unit possible in this type of competition.

Also... helps that the North offense shits all over the South defense ;)

PS... sorry I forgot Mack earlier, love that man beast.

The North doesn't "unquestionably have the two best 4-3 DEs in the league." Peppers, yes. But Allen is not the unquestionable #2 4-3 DE in the NFL. Nor is the statement "If you named the top 4 MLB in the league then the North has 3 of them," true. Patrick Willis, Jerod Mayo, and Jon Beason contradict that. I'm also very hard pressed to say that the North has 4 of the 8 best CB's in the NFL. Frankly, I hesitate to even guess at which four CB's you're playing off as factual Top 8 CB's. Then again, you didn't name a single player in your mass overrating, so I could very well be wrong. But since you've made me fill in the dots on everything you said on my own, I really dont feel up to doing more research or thinking for the counterpoint's stance.

Jesus man. Let alone the fact that you're naming players from unique positions within both the 4-3 and the 3-4, which is odd considering I doubt the two best 4-3 DE's and 3 of the 5 best 3-4 DE's will be on the field at the same time a lot, and your complete disregard of the roster restrictions that Doughie stated for this. Yeah, the South offense can also have Drew Brees. Adding him along with Peyton Manning when I can only field a total of 12 positions/players on each side will surely make the unit superior and won't at all just be me wasting time. The North does have 3 great OLB's...but you only get to field 2 of them.

You do have the two best safeties though. That we agree on.


Either way, this is more time than I ever wanted to spend on a forum game, so I may leave it at this. So if I don't reply, I'm probably doing something more productive. Like watching dirty videos on the internet or sleeping in.

etk
07-12-2011, 09:29 AM
talib is talented yes but gamlbes a lot and played worse than any of those corners mentioned, babineaux over ellis is laughable.

If you want to bring a bigass attitude at least dont make idiotic statements

"Talib played worse than Brent Grimes".

Alright we're done here. You're hopeless.

AntoinCD
07-12-2011, 04:59 PM
East

QB: Tom Brady, New England Patriots

RB: Ahmad Bradshaw, New York Giants

WR: Hakeem Nicks, New York Giants
WR: Desean Jackson, Philadelphia Eagles
WR: Wes Welker, New England Patriots
(***I could have put any number of WRs like Marshall, Holmes, Austin etc but Im looking for a slot WR and the only ones who challenge Welker is Davone Bess or Steve Smith***)

TE: Jason Witten, Dallas Cowboys

LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, New York Jets
LG: Logan Mankins, New England Patriots
OC: Nick Mangold, New York Jets
RG: Chris Snee, New York Giants
RT: Jake Long, Miami Dolphins

Personally I think this offense would be virtually unstoppable, especially when you consider that along this offensive line you have IMO 2 of the top 3 OTs, the top OC and one of the top 3 OGs, along with a very productive RG in Chris Snee. Assuming Brady has time behind this line he could take any number of options with Nicks being his main threat, Jackson the deep threat and Welker underneath and Witten at TE. While the East doesnt have a standout RB, behind this line and with the potential in the passing attack Bradshaw could do real damage.

DE: Jay Ratliff, Dallas Cowboys
NT: Vince Wilfork, New England Patriots
DE: Kyle Williams, Buffalo Bills

OLB: Demarcus Ware, Dallas Cowboys
ILB: Jerod Mayo, New England Patriots
ILB: David Harris, New York Jets
OLB: Cameron Wake, Miami Dolphins

CB: Darrelle Revis, New York Jets
FS: Antrel Rolle, FS New York Giants
SS: Laron Landry, Washington Redskins
CB: Asante Samuel, Philadelphia Eagles

KR: CJ Spiller, Buffalo Bills
PR: Dez Bryant, Dallas Cowboys

This defense is straight out of a Parcells/Belichick dream. Three big guys up front to push the pocket while also generating a little pass rush, a great downhill TED in Harris with a rangy MIKE in Mayo with two pass rushing demons who can also set the edge. The defensive backfield was a very tough choice for one reason. I went for Samuel over McCourty or Vontae Davis for one reason. Unlike the New York Jets defensive style I wouldn't force teams to throw at Revis by funneling the coverage that way. I would play him like the Raiders do with Asomghua. Close his side of the field and allow Samuel to have more opportunities to jump on poor throws.

stlouisfan37
07-13-2011, 06:22 AM
I threw the west a sympathy vote. Hey they can win, IT CAN HAPPEN! Ummmmmm, I really have no logical reasoning for it. Other than I am a Rams fan.

Rams/Chiefs in the Super Bowl! Or should I say...the Show Me Bowl?

I guess right now would be a good time for me to trademark that slogan in case it actually happens, huh?

wogitalia
07-13-2011, 09:16 PM
Jesus man. Let alone the fact that you're naming players from unique positions within both the 4-3 and the 3-4, which is odd considering I doubt the two best 4-3 DE's and 3 of the 5 best 3-4 DE's will be on the field at the same time a lot, and your complete disregard of the roster restrictions that Doughie stated for this. Yeah, the South offense can also have Drew Brees. Adding him along with Peyton Manning when I can only field a total of 12 positions/players on each side will surely make the unit superior and won't at all just be me wasting time. The North does have 3 great OLB's...but you only get to field 2 of them.

Yeah because teams have exactly 11 players and they only ever use them in the exact same positions, no such thing as situational pass rushers in your world, nickel backs? You are being ridiculous, the fact that you can remove Clay Matthews and replace him with Lamar Woodley DOES matter because it means that at all times the south defense is going to have two fresh elite OLB. Having Drew Brees ride the pine behind Peyton doesn't make it a better line up unless Peyton gets hurt. Defenses rotate players through and change fronts from play to play, so yes, all of that is entirely relevant to the discussion. Just like having 2 good TEs and 5 good WR is going to be more beneficial than having 2 WR. Teams don't rotate their OL or QB so the depth there is just that, but on defense and at skill positions other than QB teams rotate for matchups, situations and just to create uncertainty.

I'll take Timmons, Urlacher and Lewis over Beason or Mayo, but either way, throwing two more guys in just gives them 3 of the top 6. Still insane depth for either a 3-4 or 4-3 front.

The big difference here is that that North offense is far closer to the South offense than vice-versa. Rodgers was every bit as good as Manning last year and his playoff performances are far better than Manning's efforts. Johnson is as talented as any of the WR on the South. Peterson is better than your RB(see homerism is easy), Rice, Harvin, Jennings, Williams and Boldin makes for outstanding depth, though I'd still take the South's top 3 over the North's top 3 but it is not by any great margin. OL is actually incredibly even. Pouncey, Mack, Birk and Kreutz are all great centers. I'd say the first two are ahead of Kalil. Hutch was still as good as any of the South guards last year functioning with no talent around him. Joe Thomas is the best OL in entire league. The other guard and tackle are going to be very comparable to the South.

This is football, the South absolutely could win one game, hell the West could win one game. If you asked me to pick the team that I would back to win "one game" the most often though it is the North and it is without question.

J-Mike88
07-20-2011, 08:22 PM
AFC/NFC North


QB- Aaron Rodgers Green Bay
RB- Adrian Peterson Minnesota
FB- Le'Ron McClain Baltimore
WR- Greg Jennings Green Bay
WR- Calvin Johnson JR Detroit
WR- Mike Wallace Pittsburgh
TE- Jermichael Finley Green Bay
OT- Joe Thomas Cleveland
OT- Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati
OG- Ben Grubbs Baltimore
OG- Steve Hutchinson Minnesota
OC- Maurkice Pouncey Pittsburgh

DE- Jared Allen Minnesota
DE- Julius Peppers Chicago
DT- Haloti Ngata Baltimore
DT- Ngamukong Suh Detroit
OLB- James Harrison Pittsburgh
ILB- Ray Lewis Baltimore
OLB- Clay Matthews Green Bay
CB- Tramon Williams Green Bay
CB- Leon Hall Cincinnati
CB- Jonathan Joseph Cincinnati
S- Ed Reed Baltimore
S- Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh

K- Billy Cundiff Baltimore
P- Reggie Hodges Cleveland
RET- Devin Hester Chicago

Hard to believe neither BJ Raji or Charles Woodson could crack that lineup....
I'd add Percy Harvin to the KR team and keep Devin Hester as PR.
Look at those safeties, with Nick Collins there when either Reed or Polamalu go down.
Sidney Rice and Chad Greenway off the bench.
Lawrence Timmons off the bench.

yodabear
07-20-2011, 11:05 PM
Rams/Chiefs in the Super Bowl! Or should I say...the Show Me Bowl?

I guess right now would be a good time for me to trademark that slogan in case it actually happens, huh?

That sounds amazing. Bring it on Matt Cassell!!!

TitanHope
07-21-2011, 02:28 AM
Yeah because teams have exactly 11 players and they only ever use them in the exact same positions, no such thing as situational pass rushers in your world, nickel backs? You are being ridiculous, the fact that you can remove Clay Matthews and replace him with Lamar Woodley DOES matter because it means that at all times the south defense is going to have two fresh elite OLB. Having Drew Brees ride the pine behind Peyton doesn't make it a better line up unless Peyton gets hurt. Defenses rotate players through and change fronts from play to play, so yes, all of that is entirely relevant to the discussion. Just like having 2 good TEs and 5 good WR is going to be more beneficial than having 2 WR. Teams don't rotate their OL or QB so the depth there is just that, but on defense and at skill positions other than QB teams rotate for matchups, situations and just to create uncertainty.

That's not the objective. Doughie set out the positions, and put the surplus positions at 3 WR's and 3 DB's. That means no bench, no situational pass-rushers, no run-stuffing goalline package, substitutions aren't factored, etc. You filled in the slots with your choice of players, and then voted on how you thought those players would do against the other teams.

Think of it as a fantasy team with no BN players. The South has a massive RB pool to rotate with and other top W/R/TE positions, and I'm leaving Robert Mathis and John Abraham off when they'd be excellent situational pass-rushers, but I only have a certain amount of slots. That's what makes this interesting, and why there's been debate on who's deserving of the limited amount of slots. I wasn't aware that we were creating 53-man rosters, but if we are, I'd probably go with the North.

I'll take Timmons, Urlacher and Lewis over Beason or Mayo, but either way, throwing two more guys in just gives them 3 of the top 6. Still insane depth for either a 3-4 or 4-3 front.

If that's your preference, then that's cool. But I wouldn't play it off as fact. And you still get 1 MLB in your 4-3 or 2 ILB's in your 3-4 under Doughie's guidelines.

The big difference here is that that North offense is far closer to the South offense than vice-versa.

I can agree with that.

Rodgers was every bit as good as Manning last year and his playoff performances are far better than Manning's efforts.

Hahahaha, no. I see where you're getting at, but Rodgers is not as good as Manning. It goes Brady/Manning, and then the rest. Congrats to Rodgers (and the Packers who won as a team) for getting hot and winning the Super Bowl, but Manning is better. Rodgers is, at best, the 3rd best QB in this debate, and even Rivers is pushing him.

Johnson is as talented as any of the WR on the South.

Andre Johnson is still better.

Peterson is better than your RB(see homerism is easy),

AD is awesome. Like, really awesome. But demonstrably, no. Considering that in their first 3 seasons, CJ has more rushing yards, higher YPC, more receptions, more reception yards, more reception TD's, and alarmingly fewer fumbles. And he also has that whole being one of only 6 RB's in the history of the NFL to have a 2,000 yard season and holds the record for most yards from scrimmage in a season.

But AD has more rushing TD's, so he has that going for him.

And if you wish to continue the inconsequential depth argument, the South also has Maurice Jones-Drew, Arian Foster, Michael Turner, DeAngelo William/Jonathan Stewart, Reggie Bush/Pierre Thomas, LeGarrette Blount, and Joseph Addai to spell CJ and make up for what advantages AD has over him.

And as I said before, I feel CJ's skillset is much more valuable than AD's. You're not going to be pounding the ball and playing the clock with these offenses. All of them will be opened up, and I think CJ's homerun ability and spy requirement will be a bigger asset than AD's physicality.

Rice, Harvin, Jennings, Williams and Boldin makes for outstanding depth,

Neat, so choose 2 to include with Johnson, per the guidelines. You don't see me trying to add Mike Williams, Marques Colston, Kenny Britt, Steve Smith, etc.

OL is actually incredibly even. Pouncey, Mack, Birk and Kreutz are all great centers. I'd say the first two are ahead of Kalil. Hutch was still as good as any of the South guards last year functioning with no talent around him. Joe Thomas is the best OL in entire league. The other guard and tackle are going to be very comparable to the South.

Eh, I'd contest that. Joe Thomas is the singular best OT (and OL), but then it goes Gross, Roos, and then Whitworth. So the North has OT's 1 and 4, and the South has OT's 2 and 3. That's a push for me. Only one Center plays at a time, so the fact that you have 4 good ones is meaningless. You yourself said that earlier. I'd say Pouncey and Mack are pushes with Kalil, but frankly, I can't in confidence grade any one of these 3. Other than the fact that Maurkice Pouncey is horrifically overrated due to all the Steelers fans slobbering over him. But besides that, I can't really expertly calssify one over the other, so I'm fine with conceding Center to the North by a mere smidge. I'm not even sure who the RG is, but I'm fairly confident Evans and Nicks are better than Hutch and "the other guard." It's bad when you just refer to them as "the other guard and tackle." On a helpful note, think maybe Thomas/Hutch/Mack/Pouncey/Whitworth would be better?

And all this is not to say the North OL isn't amazing. It is. I just think the South's is better, even if by a minutia.

This is football, the South absolutely could win one game, hell the West could win one game. If you asked me to pick the team that I would back to win "one game" the most often though it is the North and it is without question.

All true. Again, things like "without question" bug me, considering these teams would have Madden ratings of 99, 98, 99, and 97, but whatev.



I don't like arguing with you, woggy. Not because manually typing your name has made me break my backspace button, but because I'm pretty sure we have the same taste in women. Although, I'm not sure if you were one of the ones who hounded me for my love of the Ke$ha. If you were, I SAY GOOD DAY!

prock
07-21-2011, 03:19 AM
Neat, so choose 2 to include with Johnson, per the guidelines. You don't see me trying to add Mike Williams, Marques Colston, Kenny Britt, Steve Smith, etc.





That's because your WR depth is a bag full of turds compared to the north's!

bam bam
07-21-2011, 03:27 AM
A game pinning elite vs. elite is going to come down to intangibles. Debate the character and the intensity of the players involved, not the talent, because that has already been established.

TitanHope
07-21-2011, 03:44 AM
That's because your WR depth is a bag full of turds compared to the north's!

Did...did you just knock my WR corps?

You know what this means p'rock. You've indirectly insulted Kenny Britt. Choose your weapon from the suddenly apparent wall of weapons next to you. Tonight, we dance.

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