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BlindSite
07-19-2011, 08:02 PM
With Free Agency set to start I thought we could use a new thread.

Resources:

List of Free Agents by team
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=By+Team&y=2011

List of Free Agents by Position
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=QB&y=2011

Signings:
http://www.nfl.com/news
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=Signed+by+Team&y=2011

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Discuss signings as they happen and or guys who're up for free agency there's already a thread here with a fantasy type predictions, but I'll keep this one and the following post for a list of who's been signed and for what when it becomes available.

Dates to watch -4th and final edit

Monday night: The NFL will release a complete list of the free agents for the 2011 season.

Tuesday: At 10 a.m., team facilities will open and trades can begin. Teams can begin signing their own drafted rookies and other undrafted free agents. They can also negotiate with other teams’ free agents — however, they can’t sign those players yet.

Wednesday-Sunday: Training camp opens for all teams. (The Patriots will hold their conditioning work on Wednesday, and open camp to the media and the public on Thursday.) The opening of training camps across the league is as follows:

•Camp opens Wednesday for Arizona, Baltimore, Dallas, Denver, Jacksonville, Patriots, Oakland, Philadelphia, San Diego and Seattle.

•Camp opens Thursday for Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Kansas City, Miami, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Tampa Bay and Washington.

•Camp opens Friday for Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, Cleveland, Green Bay, Indianapolis, Minnesota, New York Giants, St. Louis and Tennessee.

•Camp opens Sunday for Houston and New York Jets.

Friday: Starting at 6 p.m., teams can sign other teams’ free agents — the start of full free agency.

BlindSite
07-19-2011, 08:02 PM
Signings by team

AFC

New England Patriots
Logan Mankins G (F)
Sammy Morris RB
Albert Haynesworth DT TRADE
Chad Ochocinco WR TRADE
Kyle Arrington DB

Buffalo Bills
Drayton Florence CB
Tyler Thigpen QB
Brad Smith WR/RB/Wildcat
Nick Barnett LB

New York Jets
Santonio Holmes WR
Nick Folk K
Wayne Hunter T
Chris Byran P
Plaxico Burress WR
Mark Brunell QB
Antonio Cromartie CB

Miami Dolphins
Reggie Bush RB TRADE
Kevin Burnett ILB
Matt Moore QB
Ronald Fields DT

Pittsburgh Steelers
Ike Taylor CB
Shaun Suisham K
Greg Warren LS

Baltimore Ravens
Marshall Yanda OG/OT
Chris Carr CB
Vonta Leach FB
Casey Rabach OL

Cincinatti Bengals
Bruce Gradkowski QB
Nate Clements CB
Thomas Howard LB
Brian Leonard RB/FB
Cedric Benson RB
Manny Lawson OLB

Cleveland Browns
Brandon Jackson RB
John Greco G
Usama Young S
Derrek Robinson
Jayme Mitchell DE
Dimitri Patterson CB

Indianapolis Colts
Melvin Bullitt S
Adam Vinatieri K
Peyton Manning QB
Antonio Johnson DT
Eric Foster DT
Michael Toudouze IT
Kyle DeVan G
Ernie Sims LB

Jacksonville Jaguars
Paul Posluszny ILB
Jason Spitz C/G
Matt Turk P
Dawan Landry S
Clint Session LB
Drew Coleman CB

Houston Texans
Jacoby Jones WR
Matt Leinart QB
Danieal Manning S
Johnathan Joseph CB
Kasey Studdard G
Mike Brisiel G
Brad Maynard P

Tennessee Titans
Matt Hasselbeck QB
Barrett Ruud LB
Shaun Smith DT
Daniel Graham TE

Denver Broncos
Matt Prater K
Willis McGahee RB
Eric Decker WR
David Anderson WR
Daneil Fells TE
Marcus Tomas DL
Dante Rosario TE
Broderick Bunkley DT
Ty Warren DT

Kansas City Chiefs
Steve Breaston WR
Jon McGraw S
Casey Weigmann C
Brandon Siler LB

San Diego Chargers
Eric Weddle S
Takeo Spikes LB
Billy Volek QB
Randy McMichael TE
Jeromey Clary T
Vincent Jackson WR (F)
Kelley Washington WR
Travis La'Boy LB
Mike Tolbert FB

Oakland Raiders
Jon Condo LS
Trent Edwards QB
Jarvis Moss DE
Michael Huff S
Stephen Hoyer OL




NFC

Greenbay Packers
Mason Crosby K
John Kuhn FB
James Jones WR

Chicago Bears
Vernon Ghoulston DE
Nick Roach LB
Caleb Haine QB
Sam Hurd WR
Anthony Adams DT
Marion Barber RB
Amobi Okoye DT
Roy Williams WR
Chris Spencer C

Detroit Lions
Dave Rayner K
Drew Stanton QB
John Wending S
Eric Wright CB
Dylan Gandy G
Maurice Leggett CB
Justin Durant
Chris Houston CB
Stephen Tulloch LB
Maurice Stovall WR

Minnesota Vikings
Donovan McNabb TRADE From Washington
Devin Aromashodu
Michael Jenkins WR
Fred Evans DT
Ryan Longwell K
Charlie Johnson OT/OG

Dallas Cowboys
Doug Free OT
Marcus Spears DE
Jason Hatcher DE


Washington Redskins
Santana Moss WR re-signed
Barry Cofield DT
Josh Wilson CB
Dante Stallworth WR
Jammal Brown T
Brandon Stokely WR
Josh Wilson CB
Stephen Bowen DT
HB Blades ILB
Phillip Buchanon CB
Tim Hightower RB

Philadelphia Eagles
Jason Babin DE
Vince Young QB
Nnamdi Asomugha CB
Cullen Jenkins DE/DT
Donald Lee TE
Johnny Lee-Higgins WR
Evan Mathis G
Ronnie Brown RB

New York Giants
David Baas G
Chris White C
Kevin Boothe G
Steve Weatherford P
David Carr QB
Chris White C
Ahmad Bradshaw RB
Michael Clayton WR

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Quincy Black OLB
Jeremy Trueblood T
Davin Joseph G
Michael Koenen P

New Orleans Saints
Lance Moore WR
Darren Sproles RB
Roman Harper S
Danny Clark LB
Korey Hall FB
Pierson Prioleau S
Fabian Washington DB
Aubrayo Franklin DT

Carolina Panthers
Charles Johnson DE
DeAngelo Williams RB
Olindo Mare K
James Anderson LB
Thomas Davis LB
Ron Edwards DT
Omar Gaither LB
Derek Anderson "QB"
Greg Olsen TE TRADE

Atlanta Falcons
Stephen Nicholas OLB
Tyson Clabo T
Ray Edwards DE
Matt Bryant K
Justin Blalock G

San Francisco 49ers
Alex Smith QB re-signed
Ray McDonald DE
David Akers K
Madieu Williams S
Antwan Applewhite LB

Seattle Seahawks
Tavaris Jackson QB
Sidney Rice WR

Brandon MeBane DT
Robert Gallery G
LeRoy Hill LB
Brandon Coutu K
Alan Branch DT
Kelly Jennings CB
Zach Miller TE

Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Kolb QB TRADE from Philadelphia
Jeff King TE
DAnthony Batiste T
Stephen Spach TE
Duce Lutui G
Reagan Maui'a FB
Chansi Stuckey WR
Hamza Abdullah S
Floyd Womack G
Richard Marshall CB
Stewart Bradley LB
Todd Heap TE
Vonnie Holiday DE

St Louis Rams
Quentin Mikell S
Darren Colledge G
Al Harris CB
Zac Diles LB
Harvey Dahl G
Justin Bannan DT
Mike Sims-Walker WR
Daniel Muir DT



Undrafted Free Agents signed per team

Patriots
Corey Woods (OT, Akron)
Jeremy Ross (WR/KR, Cal)
Alex Silvestro (DE, Rutgers)
Jeff Tarpinian (LB, Iowa)
Kyle Hix (OT, Texas)
Mike Berry (OL, Auburn)


Bears
Dom DeCicco (S, Pitt)
Corbin Bryant (DE, Northwestern)
Ricky Henry (OL, Nebraska)
Alex Linnenkohl (OC, Oregon State)
Anthony Walters (DB, Delaware)
JC Brignone (OC, Mississippi State)
Mike Holmes (KR, Syracuse)


Bengals
Brian Lainhart (S, Kent State


Bills
Zach Pinalto (TE, North Carolina)
Sidney Glover (S, West Virginia)
Dominic Cook (S, Buffalo)
Brian Duncan (LB, Texas Tech)
Reid Forrest (P, Washington State)
Mario Harvey (LB, Marshall)
Luther Davis (DE, Alabama)
Emmanuel Moody (RB, Florida)


Broncos
Brandon Bing (CB, Rutgers)
Marshall Wiliams (WR, Wake Forest)
Mark Dell (WR, Michigan State)
Patrick Hill (FB, Miami)
Mario Fannin (RB, Auburn)
James Rogers (CB, Michigan)
Colby Whitlock (DL, Texas Tech)
Nick Bellore (LB, Central Michigan)
Deron Mayo (DE, Old Dominion)
Curt Porter (OT, Jacksonville State)


Browns
Carl Gettis (CB, Missouri)
Brian Smith (LB, Notre Dame)
Sidney Tarver (LB, Tennessee State)


Buccaneers
Nick Reveiz (LB, Tennessee)
Mike Coughlin (QB, Boise State)
Derrell Smith (LB, Syracuse)
Raymond Webber (WR, Arkansas Pine-Bluff)
Detron Lewis (WR, Texas Tech)


Cardinals
Davieun Curry-Chapman (WR, Northern Arizona)
Pat Devlin (QB, Delaware)
DJ Young (OL, Michigan State)
Kristofer O’Dowd (OL, USC)
Andrew Rich (S, BYU)


Chargers
Colin Baxter (OC, Center)
Bront Bird (LB, Texas Tech)
Cameron Kenney (WR, Oklahoma)


Chiefs
Desmond Washington (CB, Auburn)
David Mims (OL, Virginia Union)



Colts
Joe Lefeged (S, Rutgers)
Jake Kirkpatrick (C, TCU)
Chris Colasanti (LB, Penn State)
Mike McNeill (TE, Nebraska)
Scott Tolzien (QB, Wisconsin)



Cowboys
Mario Butler (CB, Cowboys)
Kevin Kowalski (OC, Toledo)
Chris Randle (CB, Utah State)
Jose Acuna (OL, Nevada)
Lyle Leong (WR, Texas Tech)
Dan Bailey (K, Oklahoma State)
Justin Taplin-Ross (S, Utah)


Dolphins
Jonathan Freeny (DE, Rutgers)
Nic Grigsby (RB, Arizona)
Garrett Chisolm (OL, USC)
Brett Brackett (TE, Penn State)


Eagles
Graig Cooper (RB, Miami)
Terrance Turner (WR, Indiana)
Cedric Thornton (DL, Southern Arkansas)
Martell Webb (TE, Michigan)


Falcons
Ryan Winterswyk (DE/TE, Boise State)
Noel Devine (RB, West Virginia)
Philip Sylvester (RB, Florida A&M)
Matt Hansen (LB, URI)

49ers
Donovan Edwards (OL, Cal)
Ian Williams (DL, Notre Dame)
Chase Beeler (OC, Stanford)
DeMarcus Dobbs (DE, Georgia)
Dontavia Bogan (WR, USF)
Joe Hastings (WR, Washburn)
Tyler Beiler (WR, Bridgewater)
Sealver Siliga (DT, Utah)
Konrad Reuland (TE, Stanford)
Derek Hall (OT, Stanford)

Giants
Jarriel King (OT, South Carolina)
Henry Hynoski (FB, Pitt)

Jaguars
Marc Schiechl (DE, Colorado School of Mines) ???
Matt Estrada (S, Northern Arizona)
Greg Ellingson (WR, Florida International)
DuJuan Harris (RB, Troy)
Scott Riddle (QB, Elon)
Kyle Miller (TE, Mount Union)
TJ Heath (CB, Jacksonville State)
Kevin Rutland (CB, Missouri)
Michael Lockley (LB, Florida Atlantic)
Brandon Harper (OL, Duke)
Scott Lutrus (LB, UConn)
Eric Gordon (LB, Michigan State)
JoJo Dickson (LB, Idaho)
Tommy Gallarda (TE, Boise State)
Jamar Newsome (WR, Central Florida)
Richard Murphy (RB, LSU)

Jets
Josh Baker (TE, NW Missouri State)

Lions
Preston Dial (TE, Alabama)
Quentin Davie (LB, Northwestern)
Ryan Donahue (P, Iowa)

Packers
Tori Gurley (WR, South Carolina)
Shaky Smithson (KR, Utah)
Sampson Genus (OC, South Florida)
Anthony Bratton (S, Delaware)
Jamari Lattimore (LB, Middle Tenn State)
Vic So’oto (DE, BYU)
Marc Schiechl (DE, Colorado School of Mines)



Panthers
Kendric Burney (CB, North Carolina)
Ryan Pugh (OC, Auburn)
Adi Kunalic (K, Nebraska)
Byron Bell (OL, New Mexico State)
Jamorris Warren (WR, Central Missouri)
Darvin Adams (WR, Auburn)
Ugo Chinasa (DE, Oklahoma State)

Raiders

Rams
James Dockery (CB, Oregon State)
Taylor Potts (QB, Texas Tech)
Arthur Thomas (DT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff)
Dionte Dinkins (CB, Fort Valley State)
Bryant Browning (OG, Ohio State)
Derrick Locke (RB, Kentucky) ???


Ravens
Damien Berry (RB, Miami)
Justin Boren (OL, Ohio State)
Tim Barnes (OL, Missouri)
Chris Walker (DE, Tennessee)
Terron Sanders (DL, Florida)
Walter Sander (RB, Saint Augustine)
Laquan Williams (WR Maryland)
Bryan Hall (DL, Arkansas State)
Josh Bynes (LB, Auburn)


Redskins
Shaun Draughn (RB, North Carolina)
Ben Chappel (QB, Indiana)


Saints
Deandre McDaniel (S, Clemson)
Dexter Larimore (DL, Ohio State)
Isa Abdul-Quddus (S, Fordham)
John Chiles (WR, Texas)
Jeremiha Hunter (LB, Iowa)
Jarred Fayson (WR, Illinois)
Deandre Brown (WR, Southern Miss)
Ryan Colburn (QB, Fresno State)


Seahawks
Brett Osborne (OT, Harvard)
Jeron Johnson (S, Seahawks)
Ricardo Lockette (WR, Fort Valley State)
Ricky Thenarse (S, Nebraska)
Ladi Ajiboye (DT, South Carolina)
Michael Morgan (LB, USC)
Doug Baldwin (WR, Stanford)
Pierre Allen (DE, Nebraska)


Steelers
Weslye Saunders (TE, South Carolina)
Anthony Gray (DL, Southern Miss)
Colin Miller (OC, Central Michigan)
Terrence McCrae (WR, Ohio)


Texans
Bubba Bartlett (TE/FB, Carroll College)
Jeff Maehl (WR, Oregon)
Zac Pauga (FB, Colorado State)
Pete Hendrickson (OT, Tulane)
Lestar Jean (WR, Florida Atlantic)
Terrance Tolliver (WR, LSU)



Titans
James Kirkendoll (WR, Texas)
Joe Hills (WR, Tenn State)
Bart Eddins (OL, Auburn)
Jonathan Cornell (LB, Ole Miss)
LeQuan Lewis (DB, Arizona State)


Vikings
Devon Torrence (CB, Ohio State)
Andre Holmes (WR, Hillsdale)
Conan Amituanai (OL, Arizona)
Byron Isom (OL, Auburn)

BlindSite
07-19-2011, 08:06 PM
News before the FA period begins: [place holder post]

Panthers will be willing to pay free agent DeAngelo Williams market value in order to retain him.

Gantt admits the Panthers' position doesn't make much sense with Jonathan Stewart and Mike Goodson ready to go, but insists that they won't lose Williams "because of cash." If Williams walks to the Broncos or elsewhere, Gantt believes it will just be because he wants out of Charlotte. From a fantasy perspective, Williams' landing spot will have the most impact in all of free agency.


Jerry Richardson said the Panthers will be "aggressive" in free agency, both signing their own players and those from other teams.

"Larry Hardesty from ESPN NY 1050 reports former Jets nose tackle Kris Jenkins soon will announce his retirement."

quote:
If Carson Palmer and Chad Ochocinco aren't on the [bengals] roster, the payroll goes to $60 million, and Brown will be forced to spend $46.8 million just to reach the league's new cash floor.

Darin Gannt it reporting there may be some tampering involving an unnamed Panthers player. The only thing he confirmed is it wasn't DeAngelo.

Rumor is it's atlanta and Charles Johnson.


new post lockout news
Word out of Miami is that NYG free agent RB Bradshaw has landed there today [monday], negotiations cannot begin until tomorrow [tuesday]. So don't expect to hear more till then.

Released players:
Bears
Brad Maynard (P)

Eagles
David Aikers (K) - technically not a release, his transition tag no long applies

Ravens
Kelly Gregg (DT)
Todd Heap (TE)
Willis McGahee (RB)
Derrick Mason (WR)

Packers
Nick Barnett (ILB)

Cincinatti
Carson Palmer (QB, retired)

Cowboys
Marion Barber (RB)
Roy Williams (WR)
Mark Columbo
Leonard Davis

Cardinals
Derek Anderson

BlindSite
07-21-2011, 06:24 PM
From ESPNs John Clayton http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6786350/reggie-bush-potential-cap-casualties?ex_cid=espn-twttr

Projected Cap room alphabetically based on the proposed CBA:

Arizona $37.3 million under
Atlanta $13.9 million under
Baltimore $5.33 million under
Buffalo $35.9 million under
Carolina $30.6 million under
Chicago $37. million under
Cincinnati $35.9 million under
Cleveland $33.3 million under
Dallas $18.9 million over
Denver $1 million under
Detroit $16.6 million under
Green Bay $62,600 under
Houston $7.6 million under
Indianapolis $2.7 million over
Jacksonville $31.4 million under
Kansas City $34.3 million under
Miami $13.6 million under
Minnesota $5.1 million over
New England $7.57 million under
New Orleans $11.7 million under
N.Y. Giants $11.3 million over
N.Y. Jets $1.2 million over
Oakland $10 million over
Philadelphia $13 million under
Pittsburgh $10 million over
San Diego $19.4 million under
San Francisco $18.9 million under
Seattle $39 million under
St. Louis $35.6 million under
Tampa Bay $59.2 million under
Tennessee $10.3 million under
Washington $10.6 million under

Halsey
07-21-2011, 06:40 PM
With all that cap space, it makes me wonder if the Bengals will be a surprise landing spot for a big name free agent or two. Maybe a big name RB and/or top O-lineman.

gpngc
07-21-2011, 06:43 PM
Keep in mind those figures don't take into account draft picks (and UDFAs) signing OR restricted free agents (or, I assume, franchised players).

Dam8610
07-21-2011, 06:48 PM
Keep in mind those figures don't take into account draft picks (and UDFAs) signing OR restricted free agents (or, I assume, franchised players).

Not true, the figure for the Colts includes Manning's tag.

gpngc
07-21-2011, 06:50 PM
Not true, the figure for the Colts includes Manning's tag.

Assumed incorrectly - I guess because those transactions occurred prior to the lockout.

BlindSite
07-21-2011, 06:52 PM
Not true, the figure for the Colts includes Manning's tag.

This tenders count as soon as they're placed on a player, not after they're signed. This is to stop it being used as a loophole to hide cap numbers.

Interesting thing is there is a cap floor. Tampa is going to have to almost sign another team. With their depth just about everywhere I can see them picking up one or two players for good money and extending a lot of their young players who're already producing beyond their deals.

News and OP updated with important dates

gpngc
07-21-2011, 06:54 PM
The NFL's free agency and opening of training camps are scheduled to kick off Wednesday, July 27.
Both are contingent on players ratifying the global agreement Thursday night and recertifying by next Tuesday. Commissioner Roger Goodell and attorney Jeff Pash are proceeding as if there is an understanding on both sides. College free agency and the conditional signing of rookie draft picks are scheduled to begin at 2:00 p.m. on Saturday, July 23.

I assume Saturday - Tuesday will also be for re-signing your own FAs. Not many are expected to re-sign during that period. Most will likely test the market considering how crazy it's going to be. Wednesday is going to be fun.

BlindSite
07-21-2011, 07:02 PM
See above, on the 23rd they can negotiate so it's likely the guys like Aso, Charles Johnson, Peyton Manning will be getting their balls tickled all day on the 23rd allowing their teams a full 4 days to consider whether or not they want to match or beat offers from other teams (should their players disclose details).

imo, we'll see some guys no longer available by the 27th, anyone who hasn't been signed by that day I'd assume won't be returning to their respective former teams.

Pat Sims 90
07-21-2011, 07:09 PM
With all the Money the Bengals have to spend they better keep Joseph now or i am going to be pissed.

gpngc
07-21-2011, 07:10 PM
See above, on the 23rd they can negotiate so it's likely the guys like Aso, Charles Johnson, Peyton Manning will be getting their balls tickled all day on the 23rd allowing their teams a full 4 days to consider whether or not they want to match or beat offers from other teams (should their players disclose details).

imo, we'll see some guys no longer available by the 27th, anyone who hasn't been signed by that day I'd assume won't be returning to their respective former teams.

Not necessarily. Some guys will simply test the market, really take visits and such seriously and then still return to their previous team. For example, there is no way in hell Santonio Holmes signs during the 3-day window but could very well end up back with the Jets after he hears offers from other teams. Same with guys like DeAngelo.

BlindSite
07-21-2011, 07:15 PM
Not necessarily. Some guys will simply test the market, really take visits and such seriously and then still return to their previous team. For example, there is no way in hell Santonio Holmes signs during the 3-day window but could very well end up back with the Jets after he hears offers from other teams. Same with guys like DeAngelo.

My feeling is a little conspiracy theorist but I believe a lot of guys will have been contacted one way or another already by suitors and there will have been guys in front offices working hard to get **** organised in regards to packages and offers so that once that period opens they can go guns blazing.

DeAngelo probably won't leave, see my post in the news, Jerry Richardson has openly been telling everyone fans, reporters everyone that the Panthers are going to be really aggressive.

Santonio is a merc he'll go to the highest bidder imo.

AntoinCD
07-21-2011, 09:40 PM
See above, on the 23rd they can negotiate so it's likely the guys like Aso, Charles Johnson, Peyton Manning will be getting their balls tickled all day on the 23rd allowing their teams a full 4 days to consider whether or not they want to match or beat offers from other teams (should their players disclose details).

imo, we'll see some guys no longer available by the 27th, anyone who hasn't been signed by that day I'd assume won't be returning to their respective former teams.

Oakland seriously can't afford to resign Aso. They're already way over the cap and only have a few big contracts that could be renegotiated to lower thier total. I think they realised their fate and that's why they gave big money to Routt.

phlysac
07-21-2011, 11:18 PM
Here's a really interesting interview done with sports agent Ron Del Duca. He discusses some things that I hadn't even thought about regarding this upcoming Free Agency.

Here's a few highlights...

* All the agents have technically been decertified as well.
* Alot of puffery.
* Anybody can represent anyone at any price.
* There are no rules and regulations.
* People could potentially give "value" to players for being represented by them.
* There's already been alot of movement between agents and players.

The bulk of the FA talk begins at 4:47.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/07/19/agent-ron-del-duca-talks-lockout-mendenhall-lawsuit/

LonghornsLegend
07-23-2011, 03:06 AM
My feeling is a little conspiracy theorist but I believe a lot of guys will have been contacted one way or another already by suitors and there will have been guys in front offices working hard to get **** organised in regards to packages and offers so that once that period opens they can go guns blazing.

DeAngelo probably won't leave, see my post in the news, Jerry Richardson has openly been telling everyone fans, reporters everyone that the Panthers are going to be really aggressive.

Santonio is a merc he'll go to the highest bidder imo.


Just because the Panthers are going to go hard after him doesn't mean he has to sign with you guys. It's not like it's the Panthers decision here. Somebody else is going to offer just as much as Carolina if not more.

Gay Ork Wang
07-23-2011, 03:15 AM
even after signing Peppers we still have 37 Million? Lets get a ******* OLINE

Caddy
07-23-2011, 05:21 AM
Tampa are 60 mil under :\

descendency
07-24-2011, 12:27 AM
Eagles to sign a big name free agent... (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/23/report-eagles-interested-in-brett-favre/)

DoughBoy
07-24-2011, 02:04 PM
Just learned that by cutting Vince Young, Justin Gage and Chris Hope's contracts... the Titans will be about 30 million under the new CBA.

nepg
07-24-2011, 03:27 PM
The big winners in this are teams that already pretty much have a whole team that will just be upgrading certain spots and signing current players to extensions. The Chiefs will end up looking really good once free agency hits.

Complex
07-24-2011, 03:31 PM
Just learned that by cutting Vince Young, Justin Gage and Chris Hope's contracts... the Titans will be about 30 million under the new CBA.

That is good to bad their are no good safeties out there.

Matthew Jones
07-24-2011, 03:35 PM
That is good to bad their are no good safeties out there.

Eric Weddle begs to differ! There are some other quality options as well such as Quintin Mikell and Dawan Landry. Michael Huff, Danieal Manning, and Donte Whitner are on the next level down.

jrdrylie
07-24-2011, 04:00 PM
Bears are $37 Million under? Resign Danieal Manning, grab one of the top guards, and then go after either Sidney Rice or a corner.

Halsey
07-24-2011, 04:29 PM
Some dude on ESPN radio said the minimum salary requirement applies to the end of the season, meaning teams will not be forced to reach that mark before the start of the season, if they don't want to. A team can enter the season under the minimum and still reach it at the end by doing things like signing veterans to new contracts.

BlindSite
07-24-2011, 06:42 PM
Updated OP, waiting to hear some more news before I update the expected dates for things to start occurring.

I also heard some rumors about teams tampering with at least one of Carolina's Free Agents allegedly it's atlanta going after johnson. Just a rumor at this point.

Heisman
07-24-2011, 09:14 PM
So I've got a question here. The Vikings would be a likely landing spot for a safety this off-season, and two names I've heard thrown around are Weddle and Bullitt.

I know when we signed Madieu Williams, I was stoked but he turned out to be a dud, which i should have known since Bengal fans were happy he was gone.

So basically, can any knowledgable colts/chargers fans give me the low-down on Weddle or Bullitt? Are they any good or are you happy to see them (maybe) leave?

BlindSite
07-24-2011, 09:17 PM
So I've got a question here. The Vikings would be a likely landing spot for a safety this off-season, and two names I've heard thrown around are Weddle and Bullitt.

I know when we signed Madieu Williams, I was stoked but he turned out to be a dud, which i should have known since Bengal fans were happy he was gone.

So basically, can any knowledgable colts/chargers fans give me the low-down on Weddle or Bullitt? Are they any good or are you happy to see them (maybe) leave?

Weddle is pretty well loved by Chargers fans that I know. Bullitt IIRC is more of an in the box flyer than a pure cover guy. With the teams Minnesota is facing weddle is more the target.

Madieu is due something like 5.6 mill this season, he got a massive deal something like 30-35 over 5/6 seasons so I expect him getting cut.

TheFinisher
07-24-2011, 09:23 PM
The fact that we may not be able to retain Doug Free makes me feel pretty uneasy. He's probably the top Tackle in this FA class and we're like 20 million over the cap.

LonghornsLegend
07-24-2011, 09:28 PM
The fact that we may not be able to retain Doug Free makes me feel pretty uneasy. He's probably the top Tackle in this FA class and we're like 20 million over the cap.

We probably won't be big spenders, but 1 thing I trust is Jerry not letting in house young talent leave. It'll get done, or he'll match any other deal. We still have a ton of people to cut to clear space who make a bunch of money like Columbo, Barber, Leonard Davis, and some others.

J-Mike88
07-24-2011, 09:32 PM
So I've got a question here. The Vikings would be a likely landing spot for a safety this off-season, and two names I've heard thrown around are Weddle and Bullitt.

I know when we signed Madieu Williams, I was stoked but he turned out to be a dud, which i should have known since Bengal fans were happy he was gone.

So basically, can any knowledgable colts/chargers fans give me the low-down on Weddle or Bullitt? Are they any good or are you happy to see them (maybe) leave?
Look for the Vikings to do what they often do: take a Packer castaway.
Atari Bigby is now expendable. And he's currently healthy.

He'd prefer to play in Miami, or somewhere down South. But the dude ain't Troy Polamalu and won't have teams lining up for his services.

Komp
07-24-2011, 11:00 PM
Chicago $37. million under

Maybe a Bears fan can help me out here, but with a cap figure like that, would the Bears make a move on Nnamdi? He would be another dominant defensive player on an already great defense and is probably of the same mindset/age as the other leaders on the team (Wanting to win now).

BUSTKUNTLAWL
07-24-2011, 11:13 PM
Chicago $37. million under

Maybe a Bears fan can help me out here, but with a cap figure like that, would the Bears make a move on Nnamdi? He would be another dominant defensive player on an already great defense and is probably of the same mindset/age as the other leaders on the team (Wanting to win now).

The Bears badly need a corner, but their scheme doesn't value corners like other teams, so it's hard to say.

I'd say it's unlikely the Bears go after him due to the amount of $$ he will command & their philosophy overall.

Bears will probably go after one of the big name guards, resign some of their own players, and then go after a different corner.

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 12:05 AM
Bears- Braylon Edwards and Brandon Mebane + extension for Israel Idonije and maybe Greg Olson (both in last year of contract)

I wanted the Bears to draft both of those players, just took a little longer.

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 12:18 AM
The Vikings are a great example of why you don't build through FA (besides the obvious Redskins). They are going to have to scrap that team from the bottom up, and are still currently 5 mil over the cap.

J-Mike88
07-25-2011, 09:50 AM
The Vikings are a great example of why you don't build through FA (besides the obvious Redskins). They are going to have to scrap that team from the bottom up, and are still currently 5 mil over the cap.
Exactly. Bear & Packer fans agreeing. Priceless.
Still, Peppers & Cutler weren't home-grown draftees either, and they are their most important additions of the past 2-3 years.

J-Mike88
07-25-2011, 09:52 AM
Chicago $37. million under

Maybe a Bears fan can help me out here, but with a cap figure like that, would the Bears make a move on Nnamdi? He would be another dominant defensive player on an already great defense and is probably of the same mindset/age as the other leaders on the team (Wanting to win now).
Wow, really, they are that much under the cap?
Dang.

First, look for them to target Packer players like Cullen Jenkins and James Jones perhaps.

J-Mike88
07-25-2011, 10:08 AM
My Top Ten FREE AGENTS:

1. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland Raiders
2. Sidney Rice, WR, Minnesota Vikings
3. DeAngelo Williams, RB, Carolina Panthers
4. Cullen Jenkins, DE/DT, Green Bay Packers
5. Johnathan Joseph, CB, Cincinnati Bengals
6. Charles Johnson, DE, Carolina Panthers:
7. Santonio Holmes, WR, NY Jets
8. Braylon Edwards, WR, NY Jets
9. Ray Edwards, DE, Minnesota Vikings
10. Brandon Mebane, DT, Seattle Seahawks

As a Packer fan, I hope the fact that there are 3 big name WRs here, plus 2 Steve Smiths and a Randy Moss & Terrell Owens, will lead to there being no market for my bitterfingered-James Jones, who I want to keep. The guy makes a lot of plays, even though he also has dropped a lot of big plays. He dropped 2 perfect TD passes in the playoffs (Philly & Pittsburgh), which allowed the games to then go down to the wire where luck played a major factor. Had he caught em both, each game would have been a more convincing win. But he gets open an awful lot to be able to be in that position so often.

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 10:27 AM
Ten guys I'd have no problems with giving a market-value contract to:

1. WR Sidney Rice, Vikings (24)

2. TE Zach Miller, Raiders (25)

3. OT Doug Free, Cowboys (27)

4. OG Marshal Yanda, Ravens (26)

5. DE Charles Johnson, Panthers (25)

6. DT Brandon Mebane, Seahawks (26)

7. DT Cullen Jenkins, Packers (30)

8. LB Matt Roth, Browns (28)

9. LB Paul Posluszny, Bills (26)

10. FS Eric Weddle, Chargers (26)

Some thoughts on a few of the guys I would probably hold off on:

Nnamdi Asomugha is 30 years old, are you paying him $15-20 million a year for what he is going to do each season moving forwards, or based on what he did in the past?

Ray Edwards is a well-rounded defensive end, but the market for him seems out of control. I'd be more willing to pay a guy like Charles Johnson who's younger.

Santonio Holmes might not be the kind of guy you want to pay...seems like somewhat of a disruption in the locker room and is someone I could see getting into trouble.

DeAngelo Williams is a quality starting running back with a few years left, but is coming off of an injury, and free agent running backs signed to big deals historically haven't worked out well.

Jason Babin was mediocre for his entire career before putting it together this season. Still, he's 31 years old and frequently misses time due to injury. Count me out.

Michael Huff seems like he might be the kind of guy to put it together for his payday...riskier than a lot of the other safeties available, most of whom are more consistent.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-25-2011, 12:01 PM
I don't put much stock in his cred, but since most places seem to be citing him for it, I'll post it.

Ledbetter is saying- Falcons won't pursue Edwards, will spend that cash on resigning Clabo. Edwards is heading to Philly.

Stephen Nicholas is heading to the Giants.

DeAngelo Williams and Charles Johnson are staying put.

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Exactly. Bear & Packer fans agreeing. Priceless.
Still, Peppers & Cutler weren't home-grown draftees either, and they are their most important additions of the past 2-3 years.
The Bears are going to have to win now because it's rebuilding time for them in about 3 years as well.

vidae
07-25-2011, 12:20 PM
As a Chiefs fan and being so far under the cap, it's damn important we give Tamba Hali a long term deal (he was franchised) and we re-sign Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr and Dwayne Bowe.

After that, I'd take an OT to play RT and a quality NT if one becomes available.

gpngc
07-25-2011, 12:31 PM
Update the OP:

The NFL Network has confirmed that the new Collective Bargaining Agreement will allow for rookies to sign on Tuesday, and free agency to open Friday at 6PM ET.
The NFL Network's timeline is correct, after multiple reports of differing schedules. Players can report to their facilities for voluntary conditioning on Tuesday, and beginning at 10AM tomorrow all rookie draft picks and unsigned rookie free agents can begin signing. (It will be a hectic day.) Beginning on Thursday, NFL teams can begin waiving and releasing players. Full-blown free agency opens on Friday evening, the same day all players can begin reporting for training camp. Stay with us for several wild weeks of rumors, reports, and transactions.

No word on trades though. I assume they are a part of "Full-blown free agency" that begins on Friday at 6 PM ET. Should be epic.

EDIT: Trades begin Tuesday according to PFT. Kevin Kolb and Steve Smith could open camp with their new teams...

gpngc
07-25-2011, 12:31 PM
As a Chiefs fan and being so far under the cap, it's damn important we give Tamba Hali a long term deal (he was franchised) and we re-sign Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr and Dwayne Bowe.

After that, I'd take an OT to play RT and a quality NT if one becomes available.

Interestingly enough, I'm pretty sure giving Tamba Hali a long-term deal would make his cap # lower for this season than if he played out the year tagged... unless they signed him to a ridiculously front-loaded contract for some reason.

vidae
07-25-2011, 12:36 PM
Interestingly enough, I'm pretty sure giving Tamba Hali a long-term deal would make his cap # lower for this season than if he played out the year tagged... unless they signed him to a ridiculously front-loaded contract for some reason.

Yeah I don't doubt that either. The main thing is to sign some of these younger guys who are starting to contribute AND a few key free agents AND our draft picks. Getting Hali locked up is key in that regard.

gpngc
07-25-2011, 12:38 PM
Rumors today:

- Matt Hasselbeck will most likely be the starting QB for the Titans on opening day.

- Kyle Orton will likely be traded. Possibilities include MIN, MIA, WAS, and ARZ.

- Seahawks in the mix for Kolb, but Cards remain the favorites.

- Reggie Bush is in play for the Rams.

- Bears are interested in WR Brad Smith.

- Giants could release Osi Umenyoria.

- Seahawks, Browns, and Eagles are in on Ray Edwards.

- The Jets #1 priority is re-signing Santonio Holmes.

- Quintin Mikell is a possibility for Carolina.

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 12:51 PM
I imagine Brad Smith would primarily be brought in as a kick return replacement for Danieal Manning, which is perfectly fine with me.

gpngc
07-25-2011, 12:52 PM
I imagine Brad Smith would primarily be brought in as a kick return replacement for Danieal Manning, which is perfectly fine with me.

He's a jack-of-all trades on offense as well. And he's not an awful receiver. Can play a little wildcat QB, etc. The Bears love that kind of ****.

bigbluedefense
07-25-2011, 12:53 PM
The Giants aren't releasing Osi.

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 12:54 PM
I imagine Brad Smith would primarily be brought in as a kick return replacement for Danieal Manning, which is perfectly fine with me.

Dear Bears,

Please get him out of New York ASAP.

Sincerely,

Patriots

Giantsfan1080
07-25-2011, 12:57 PM
The Giants aren't releasing Osi.

Yeah if anything we would trade him. He's signed cheap and his production is unmatched at that price.

bigbluedefense
07-25-2011, 01:02 PM
Yeah if anything we would trade him. He's signed cheap and his production is unmatched at that price.

I'm pretty confident we'll retain him for at least this coming year, but if we did move on, it would absolutely be through a trade.

You don't release a player like Osi. We should easily net a 2nd round pick for him if we traded him.

gpngc
07-25-2011, 01:09 PM
“The Giants have said that they are not going to cut him, John Mara, the Giants owner has said that,” Schefter said when going over potential big names to be cut on SportsCenter this morning. “However there have been rumblings around the league that Osi Umenyiora would be on the bubble. I think he’d like to be released to be able to shop his services to another team.”

“Remember, he criticized the Giants organization in testimony that he gave to the courts and was one of the name plaintiffs in the Brady vs NFL case,” Schefter continued. “Again, not saying he winds up getting cut but there are people around the league who think he could get cut.”

Mara reportedly told Umenyiora during a break at a recent negotiation session that the defensive end needs to settle his differences with general manager Jerry Reese.

The suggestion made by the best insider in the business may prove to be incorrect, but it's still noteworthy because of Schefter's pedigree.

vikes_28
07-25-2011, 01:27 PM
The Vikings are a great example of why you don't build through FA (besides the obvious Redskins). They are going to have to scrap that team from the bottom up, and are still currently 5 mil over the cap.

We can thank Brad Childress for that.

GatorsBullsFan
07-25-2011, 02:11 PM
Jags look like favorites for Eric Weddle

_YL_
07-25-2011, 02:17 PM
As long as Oakland is able to resign Zach Miller then ill be happy. Losing ASO is a given but we still have tons of talent on that defense.

I don't expect Oakland to do a lot in FA besides keep some key players like Miller,Reece, M.Bush being a RFA is huge one less person we have to worry about resigning. I think eventually Oakland will sign Kamerion Wimbley to a long term contract and help out against the cap.

One position Oakland will go after in FA will be offense line. Someone like Jared Gaither,Jammal Brown or a OG like Justin Blalock

gpngc
07-25-2011, 02:20 PM
Two nuggets from Peter King:

1) Jaguars will be active in FA. They like Weddle, as GBF points out above, and could also be in play for a big-time WR. Sidney Rice or James Jones makes sense as a young veteran to develop with Blaine Gabbert. Or one could think that JDR wants to save his job by winning this year, which would make TO or Moss a possibility. Either way, I don't think Cecil Shorts, Kasim Osgood, Jason Hill, Tiquan Underwood or Jarrett Dilliard will be starting opposite Mike Thomas in 2011.

2) Nnamdi Asomugha wants to play for the Jets and it IS feasible that they could re-sign Holmes AND lock up Nnamdi (which would create the first 4-5 defense in NFL history obviously). However, they'd then have almost a quarter of their cap space tied up in one position, would have to cut two or three vets, and would be relying heavily on Jeremy Kirley as their 3rd WR.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
07-25-2011, 02:27 PM
I saw NFLN talking FAs and had a small segment on Mankins like he's on the market...though they said he could feasibly be franchised yet again.

Anybody know for sure if Mankins is a FA now?

T-RICH49
07-25-2011, 03:20 PM
I've heard if Le'Ron mcClain hits FA the Chiefs would be very interested in signing him

Ness
07-25-2011, 03:40 PM
Two nuggets from Peter King:

1) Jaguars will be active in FA. They like Weddle, as GBF points out above, and could also be in play for a big-time WR. Sidney Rice or James Jones makes sense as a young veteran to develop with Blaine Gabbert. Or one could think that JDR wants to save his job by winning this year, which would make TO or Moss a possibility. Either way, I don't think Cecil Shorts, Kasim Osgood, Jason Hill, Tiquan Underwood or Jarrett Dilliard will be starting opposite Mike Thomas in 2011.



And I'm guessing sims-Walker won't be back right?

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 04:39 PM
What vets could the Jets cut to pull that off? Seems like a huge feat.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
07-25-2011, 04:48 PM
What vets could the Jets cut to pull that off? Seems like a huge feat.

Just the way Rex likes 'em.

Word play!

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 04:49 PM
Tweet from Adam Schefter...

And so it begins...filed to ESPN: The Ravens have told RB Willis McGahee they will be releasing him.

I wouldnt mind bringing him in to team with LeGarette Blount

gpngc
07-25-2011, 04:49 PM
And I'm guessing sims-Walker won't be back right?

That's been the assumption since he struggled last season. They've soured on him. But you never know - he could come cheap.

bam bam
07-25-2011, 05:00 PM
Kelly Gregg cut too

AntoinCD
07-25-2011, 05:00 PM
What vets could the Jets cut to pull that off? Seems like a huge feat.

They would probably need to lose Cromartie, Edwards, Brad Smith, Shaun Ellis and renegotiate a few contracts like David Harris and possibly Sanchez. It may also take a below market deal for Holmes which may not happen either. I'd be pretty surprised if the Jets could pull this one off.

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 05:07 PM
But..they're already over the cap.

nepg
07-25-2011, 05:10 PM
I've heard if Le'Ron mcClain hits FA the Chiefs would be very interested in signing him
Sounds like it's pretty much going to happen. Which is another wrinkle to the Willis McGahee situation in Baltimore...

Ness
07-25-2011, 05:12 PM
Looks like Alex Smith is deciding to come back for sure. Whatever.

descendency
07-25-2011, 05:12 PM
They would probably need to lose Cromartie, Edwards, Brad Smith, Shaun Ellis and renegotiate a few contracts like David Harris and possibly Sanchez. It may also take a below market deal for Holmes which may not happen either. I'd be pretty surprised if the Jets could pull this one off.

Are the Jets going to have any good players left?

Nalej
07-25-2011, 05:13 PM
Anyone know any specifics on how the salary cap this year will be somewhat modified to help with the transition.

AntoinCD
07-25-2011, 05:13 PM
But..they're already over the cap.



8. I think if Asomugha had his way, he'd sign with the Jets. The coach, the team, the city, the causes ... it all appeals to him. There's just this little matter of the Jets being $1.3-million over the cap before they start whittling away at it to get in line with the league's $120.4-million, fairly hard cap. (You can go over the cap in one year by $3 million for one player.)

As Rich Cimini astutely pointed out the other day on his Jets blog, they could restructure Mark Sanchez and Darrelle Revis (due to count a total of $27.8 million against the cap this year), and they could take linebacker David Harris' franchise number of $10.4 million this year and lower it by converting it into the first year of a long-term contract. Remember, Santonio Holmes is a priority to sign, so assume that would take about $7 million this year. The Jets would probably have to cut two or three vets and not re-sign Antonio Cromartie to have any chance of getting into Asomugha's financial league -- even if it means Asomugha would take significantly less to go to New Jersey than, say, to Dallas or Houston.

If they restructure contracts, and I forgot about Revis, they could potentially get far enough under. They'll have to lose some guys they dont want to.

Jvig43
07-25-2011, 05:13 PM
But..they're already over the cap.

Which is another reason why I don't know how the **** anyone could think that situation was plausible.

jrdrylie
07-25-2011, 05:18 PM
Anyone have specifics on the rookie wage scale? Is it just a cap on how much teams can spend on their rookies? Or is it a slotting system similar to what they have in the NBA? That will have an impact on how much cap space teams have.

bam bam
07-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Todd Heap cut, too

bearsfan_51
07-25-2011, 05:54 PM
Heap of crap, amirite?

bam bam
07-25-2011, 05:56 PM
Heap of crap, amirite?

No, no you are not rite.

Ness
07-25-2011, 06:07 PM
Todd Heap cut, too

Dang. Has he been terrible the last few years or something? Or just overpaid?

diabsoule
07-25-2011, 06:08 PM
@RavensInsider Aaron Wilson
Ravens to cut Derrick Mason as well.

bam bam
07-25-2011, 06:10 PM
Dang. Has he been terrible the last few years or something? Or just overpaid?

$4.6 million savings if cut

Jvig43
07-25-2011, 06:10 PM
Looks like the Ravens are going to try and grab someone big.

diabsoule
07-25-2011, 06:11 PM
#Ravens slashing an awful lot of vets: Mason + McGahee + Heap + Gregg = $18.6 million in salary.

bam bam
07-25-2011, 06:12 PM
Looks like the Ravens are going to try and grab someone big.

Yea, the two guys in house: Ngata and Yanda

Plus, Ray Rice, Flacco, Grubbs, among others will be coming due

AntoinCD
07-25-2011, 06:17 PM
I think quietly they may be in the market for someone like Sidney Rice. I doubt they go after Asomugha but clearing all this cap space would definitely let them enter the race

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 06:23 PM
Forgot all about Rice, he'd make a nice fit in San Diego.

coordinator0
07-25-2011, 06:25 PM
Yea, the two guys in house: Ngata and Yanda

Plus, Ray Rice, Flacco, Grubbs, among others will be coming due

We already have Ngata actually, we placed the franchise tender on him and I'm fairly certain it's still in effect. In fact I'd be surprised if we didn't negotiate a long-term deal with him with would also free up more cap room this year.

Rice is an interesting name to bring up, and I think he'd fit in well with our receivers. He's certainly the type of receiver we're lacking. I don't think we're in play for Nnamdi.

ellsy82
07-25-2011, 06:26 PM
Looks like the Ravens are going to try and grab someone big.

Asomugha? Those dirty birds better stay away.

BlindSite
07-25-2011, 06:32 PM
Its really much more of a rookie cap once you get down to brass tacks. To put it simply, expect everyone in the top 10 to get half what their equivalent picks last year got. It'll impact the cap, but not as much as it did.

SolidGold
07-25-2011, 06:42 PM
I'm glad they reduced rookie salaries. Allows teams to give more to deserving vets and teams will not lose as much on high 1st round busts.

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 06:42 PM
Good job by Baltimore on those cuts. It's going to be tough for fans to part ways with someone like Todd Heap or Derrick Mason, but I don't think these moves really weaken their team.

BlindSite
07-25-2011, 06:45 PM
Kelly Gregg is expected to join the mason and todd "scrap heap" on the street.

Also the OP has been updated, more updates to come when I get more work done so I can **** around some more. Or when my boss leaves early.

Dam8610
07-25-2011, 06:46 PM
So I've got a question here. The Vikings would be a likely landing spot for a safety this off-season, and two names I've heard thrown around are Weddle and Bullitt.

I know when we signed Madieu Williams, I was stoked but he turned out to be a dud, which i should have known since Bengal fans were happy he was gone.

So basically, can any knowledgable colts/chargers fans give me the low-down on Weddle or Bullitt? Are they any good or are you happy to see them (maybe) leave?

Bullitt is a quality backup, but that's it. Paying him starter money would be foolish, and if the Vikings are willing to do that, they can have him.

Dam8610
07-25-2011, 06:53 PM
- Quintin Mikell is a possibility for Carolina.

Really? You'd think at his age, he'd want to go to a championship contender.

Halsey
07-25-2011, 06:54 PM
Heap always looks pretty good to me. I don't get why so many people think he's a bad player.

bam bam
07-25-2011, 06:58 PM
Asomugha? Those dirty birds better stay away.

Don't forget Jonathan Joseph might be available as well. Maybe a good value since Aso will cost more. Id prefer Aso though.

Dam8610
07-25-2011, 07:01 PM
Heap always looks pretty good to me. I don't get why so many people think he's a bad player.

It's lack of health, not lack of talent.

Jughead10
07-25-2011, 07:01 PM
We already have Ngata actually, we placed the franchise tender on him and I'm fairly certain it's still in effect. In fact I'd be surprised if we didn't negotiate a long-term deal with him with would also free up more cap room this year.

Rice is an interesting name to bring up, and I think he'd fit in well with our receivers. He's certainly the type of receiver we're lacking. I don't think we're in play for Nnamdi.

Not sure what the one year franchise figure is for DTs, but if Ngata signs long term this week the Ravens would get more saving as the first year figure is definitely less in most instance than a franchise figure.

coordinator0
07-25-2011, 07:07 PM
Not sure what the one year franchise figure is for DTs, but if Ngata signs long term this week the Ravens would get more saving as the first year figure is definitely less in most instance than a franchise figure.

His franchise tag is worth about $12 mil.

Sloopy
07-25-2011, 07:08 PM
Looks like the Ravens are going to try and grab someone big.

I would almost assume a CB, if they can't get Namdi they move on to the next best corner in FA, rinse and repeat if that doesn't work out

JETS5128
07-25-2011, 07:09 PM
What vets could the Jets cut to pull that off? Seems like a huge feat.

LT, T-Rich, Jason Taylor, Shaun Ellis, Cro (obviously), Brad Smith

Pretty sure that right there would come close to clearing the necessary space

Jughead10
07-25-2011, 07:10 PM
His franchise tag is worth about $12 mil.

I'd have to imagine if he signed a 6-7 year deal, his number for the first year would be under the 8 million range.

coordinator0
07-25-2011, 07:11 PM
I'd have to imagine if he signed a 6-7 year deal, his number for the first year would be under the 8 million range.

That's what I was thinking as well, though to be honest I'm not expecting us to start negotiating with him right away. But with the things we're already planning to do nothing will surprise me at this point.

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 07:20 PM
And I'm guessing sims-Walker won't be back right?

According to Mike Sims-Walker's twitter, he's going to get a "fresh start". So no he won't be back.

LonghornsLegend
07-25-2011, 07:31 PM
LT, T-Rich, Jason Taylor, Shaun Ellis, Cro (obviously), Brad Smith

Pretty sure that right there would come close to clearing the necessary space

For Holmes AND Aso? Considering the Redskins want Holmes pretty badly, not happening...


Silly things like that are just to drum up excitement, it's not realistic at all unless Aso took a major paycut to come East and have a shot at the SB.

gpngc
07-25-2011, 07:34 PM
For Holmes AND Aso? Considering the Redskins want Holmes pretty badly, not happening...


Silly things like that are just to drum up excitement, it's not realistic at all unless Aso took a major paycut to come East and have a shot at the SB.

Which, if you'd read, he very well may do because he wants to play for the Jets...

BlindSite
07-25-2011, 07:36 PM
Aso to the Jets sounds like something of a pipe dream. He may want to go to a contender, but I really can't see them being able to pay him.

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 07:40 PM
Saints have 29 free agents o_O

Raiderz4Life
07-25-2011, 07:41 PM
Aso is staying in Oakland!! ='(

gpngc
07-25-2011, 07:52 PM
Aso to the Jets sounds like something of a pipe dream. He may want to go to a contender, but I really can't see them being able to pay him.

We've gone over in this very thread how they could. It is not a pipe dream, but a real possibility, especially if he's willing to take a bit less - which considering a) he already cashed in on a huge deal and b) he wants to play for the Jets - could happen.

Jvig43
07-25-2011, 07:55 PM
Someone has a hard on for Aso+ Revis.

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 07:59 PM
UNDRAFTED FREE AGENCY UNDERWAY


@AdamSchefter
John Clayton reports that NFL teams were granted the right to sign undrafted players Monday night. So dealings are underway.

redbills
07-25-2011, 08:18 PM
Saints agreed to terms with former Clemson S DeAndre McDaniel.
http://twitter.com/#!/dmcdani2/status/95659053296001026
I'm a Saint twitter! New Orleans here I come!!!!!!!


Ravens agreed to terms with former Miami (FL) RB Damien Berry.
http://twitter.com/#!/ProFootballTalk/status/95656886162038784
Ravens will sign undrafted Miami RB Damien Berry tomorrow, per league source.

LonghornsLegend
07-25-2011, 08:23 PM
Which, if you'd read, he very well may do because he wants to play for the Jets...

Ok then. Give me a realistic contract "discount" he could give them, that he'd take, and leaves them enough to outbid Washington for Holmes.

LonghornsLegend
07-25-2011, 08:23 PM
Saints agreed to terms with former Clemson S DeAndre McDaniel.
http://twitter.com/#!/dmcdani2/status/95659053296001026


Way to sit on your ass Dallas. Not gonna act like he's anything more then a roster bubble player but we have 0 safeties, you'd like to think a talented UDFA at Safety would be a freebie.

bam bam
07-25-2011, 08:24 PM
Ravens land Herzlich

\m/

at least according to http://nflspinzone.com/2011/07/25/former-boston-college-lb-mark-herzlich-signed-by-baltimore-ravens/

redbills
07-25-2011, 08:28 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/NealDriscoll/status/95663342470971392
Kendric Burney to the Panthers, DeAndre McDaniel to the Saints, Mark Herzlich to the Ravens, and Weslye Saunders to Steelers are GREAT moves


Jonathan Freenet, DE, out of Rutgers is Dolphins first signing..3-4 OLB


http://twitter.com/#!/AthleteAdvisor
Congrats to elite sports agency clients C Sampson Genus -Green Bay & S Sidney Glover - Buffalo...more deals to come

D-Unit
07-25-2011, 08:37 PM
Way to sit on your ass Dallas. Not gonna act like he's anything more then a roster bubble player but we have 0 safeties, you'd like to think a talented UDFA at Safety would be a freebie.
Dallas always sits on thier ass in FA.

I'm more interested in who we're cutting to be honest.

redbills
07-25-2011, 08:37 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/NFLDraftInsider
big list here

UNC TE Zack Pinalto to the Buffalo Bills.
Preston Dial (TE, Alabama) to the Lions.
Southern Miss DT Anthony Gray to the Steelers.
Matt Estrada (S, Northern Arizona) to #Jaguars
Greg Ellingson FIU WR is a Jaguar
Rutgers SS Joe Lefeged to the Colts
Miami RB Greg Cooper to the #Eagles.
Georgia Tech CB Mario Butler to #Cowboys
Auburn's OC Ryan Pugh to the #Panthers
Dejuan Harris RB Troy to the #Jaguars
Ohio State CB Devon Torrence to the Vikings.
Scott Riddle Elon QB to the Jaguars
Corey Woods, OT, Akron to the #Patriots
South Carolina WR Tori Gurley to the #Packers
Oregon State CB James Dockery to the Rams
OL California, Donovan Edwards to 49ers
Harvard OT Brent Osborne has agreed to terms with the Seahawks.

add
Shaky Smithson (KR, Utah) to the Packers

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 08:38 PM
What I've heard so far:

Arizona Cardinals
WR Davieun Curry-Chapman, Northern Arizona

Baltimore Ravens
RB Damien Berry, Miami (FL)
LB Mark Herzlich, Boston College

Buffalo Bills
TE Zach Pianalto, North Carolina

Carolina Panthers
C Ryan Pugh, Auburn
CB Kendric Burney, North Carolina

Dallas Cowboys
CB Mario Butler, Georgia Tech

Detroit Lions
TE Preston Dial, Alabama

Green Bay Packers
WR Tori Gurley, South Carolina
KR Shaky Smithson, Utah

Indianapolis Colts
S Joe Lefeged, Rutgers

Jacksonville Jaguars
QB Scott Riddle, Elon
RB DuJuan Harris, Troy
WR Greg Ellingson, Florida International
DE Marc Schiechl, Colorado School of Mines
S Matt Estrada, Northern Arizona
LS Kyle Miller, Mount Union

Miami Dolphins
DE Jonathan Freeny, Rutgers

Minnesota Vikings
CB Devon Torrence, Ohio St.

New England Patriots
OT Corey Woods, Akron

New Orleans Saints
S DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

Philadelphia Eagles
RB Graig Cooper, Miami (FL)

Pittsburgh Steelers
TE Weslye Saunders, South Carolina
DL Anthony Gray, Southern Mississippi

San Francisco 49ers
OL Donovan Edwards, California

St. Louis Rams
CB James Dockery, Oregon St.

redbills
07-25-2011, 08:41 PM
Kent State, FS Brian Lainhart to Cincinnati Bengals
Josh Baker TE Missouri State to the Jets
It's Official, Boise State SS Jeron Johnson with the Seattle Seahawks.

http://twitter.com/#!/NFLDraftInsider

gpngc
07-25-2011, 08:49 PM
Ok then. Give me a realistic contract "discount" he could give them, that he'd take, and leaves them enough to outbid Washington for Holmes.

Jets are currently 1.2 million over the cap. You can be 6 million over the cap.

$7+ million cap # for Holmes this year.

$11+ million cap # for Nnamdi this year.

19.2 - 6 you can be over the cap = $12.2 over with Holmes and Nnamdi signed.

David Harris' deal goes from the 10 he's making now (tag) to a long-term deal in which his cap # is 5 and change this year.

12.2 - 5 = 7.2 over the cap.

Cut Bryan Thomas = +3.7 in cap space.
Cut LDT = about 2 in cap space.

7.2 - 3.7 - 2 = 1.5 million over the cap.

Mark Sanchez re-structures his deal, freeing up 7.5 million in cap space this season.

Jets are now 6 million UNDER the cap.

Revis could also potentially re-structure (couldn't find how much that could possibly save but dealing with his agents it could be a mess).

Nalej
07-25-2011, 08:52 PM
Herzlich to the Ravens? Ah man!

gpngc
07-25-2011, 08:54 PM
Something else to think about - the Ravens just gained about $18 million in cap space. Could they be in on the Nnamdi sweepstakes?

proshoota25
07-25-2011, 08:55 PM
Anyone know anything about OT Corey Woods from Akron?

Wodwo
07-25-2011, 09:00 PM
Ian Williams to the 49ers.

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 09:03 PM
Something else to think about - the Ravens just gained about $18 million in cap space. Could they be in on the Nnamdi sweepstakes?

Who isn't ;)

Dam8610
07-25-2011, 09:07 PM
I really wanted the Colts to grab Johnson. Can anyone tell me anything about Legefed?

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Updated list:

Arizona Cardinals
QB Pat Devlin, Delaware
WR Davieun Curry-Chapman, Northern Arizona
OT D.J. Young, Michigan St.
C Kris O'Dowd, Southern California

Atlanta Falcons
DE Ryan Winterswyk, Boise St.

Baltimore Ravens
RB Damien Berry, Miami (FL)
LB Mark Herzlich, Boston College

Buffalo Bills
TE Zach Pianalto, North Carolina
S Dominic Cook, Buffalo
S Sidney Glover, West Virginia

Carolina Panthers
OT Byron Bell, New Mexico St.
C Ryan Pugh, Auburn
LB Nick Bellore, Central Michigan
CB Kendric Burney, North Carolina
K Adi Kunalic, Nebraska

Chicago Bears
S Dom DeCicco, Pittsburgh

Cincinnati Bengals
FS Brian Lainhart, Kent St.

Dallas Cowboys
C Kevin Kowalski, Toledo
CB Mario Butler, Georgia Tech
CB Chris Randle, Utah St.

Denver Broncos
WR Mark Dell, Michigan St.
WR Marshall Williams, Wake Forest
CB Brandon Bing, Rutgers

Detroit Lions
TE Preston Dial, Alabama
LB Quentin Davie, Northwestern
LB DeJuan Fulghum, Texas Southern

Green Bay Packers
WR Tori Gurley, South Carolina
C Sampson Genus, South Florida
KR Shaky Smithson, Utah

Indianapolis Colts
C Jake Kirkpatrick, Texas Christian
S Joe Lefeged, Rutgers

Jacksonville Jaguars
QB Scott Riddle, Elon
RB DuJuan Harris, Troy
WR Greg Ellingson, Florida International
TE Kyle Miller, Mount Union
DE Marc Schiechl, Colorado School of Mines
LB Michael Lockley, Florida Atlantic
CB T.J. Heart, Jacksonville St.
CB Kevin Rutland, Missouri
S Matt Estrada, Northern Arizona
LS Kyle Miller, Mount Union

Kansas City Chiefs
CB Demond Washington, Auburn

Miami Dolphins
RB Nic Grigsby, Arizona
DE Jonathan Freeny, Rutgers

Minnesota Vikings
CB Devon Torrence, Ohio St.

New England Patriots
OT Corey Woods, Akron
DE Alex Silvestro, Rutgers
KR Jeremy Ross, California

New Orleans Saints
DT Dexter Larimore, Ohio St.
SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

New York Giants
OT Jarriel King, South Carolina

New York Jets
WR Josh Baker, NW Missouri St.
DE Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

Philadelphia Eagles
RB Graig Cooper, Miami (FL)
WR Terrance Turner, Indiana
DT Cedric Thornton, Central Arkansas

Pittsburgh Steelers
TE Weslye Saunders, South Carolina
DL Anthony Gray, Southern Mississippi

San Francisco 49ers
C Chase Beeler
OL Donovan Edwards, California
DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame
DE Demarcus Dobbs, Georgia

Seattle Seahawks
QB Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin
WR Ricardo Lockette, Fort Valley St.
OT Brent Osborne, Harvard
FS Jeron Johnson, Boise St.
S Rickey Thenarse, Nebraska

St. Louis Rams
CB James Dockery, Oregon St.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LB Nick Reveiz, Tennessee

Tennessee Titans
DT Zach Clayton, Auburn

Washington Redskins
FS Will Hill, Florida

SolidGold
07-25-2011, 09:27 PM
Pretty sure Zach Clayton was drafted by the titans in the 7th

BlindSite
07-25-2011, 09:32 PM
Updated list:

Arizona Cardinals
QB Pat Devlin, Delaware
WR Davieun Curry-Chapman, Northern Arizona
OT D.J. Young, Michigan St.
C Kris O'Dowd, Southern California

Atlanta Falcons
DE Ryan Winterswyk, Boise St.

Baltimore Ravens
RB Damien Berry, Miami (FL)
LB Mark Herzlich, Boston College

Buffalo Bills
TE Zach Pianalto, North Carolina
S Dominic Cook, Buffalo
S Sidney Glover, West Virginia

Carolina Panthers
OT Byron Bell, New Mexico St.
C Ryan Pugh, Auburn
LB Nick Bellore, Central Michigan
CB Kendric Burney, North Carolina
K Adi Kunalic, Nebraska

Chicago Bears
S Dom DeCicco, Pittsburgh

Cincinnati Bengals
FS Brian Lainhart, Kent St.

Dallas Cowboys
C Kevin Kowalski, Toledo
CB Mario Butler, Georgia Tech
CB Chris Randle, Utah St.

Denver Broncos
WR Mark Dell, Michigan St.
WR Marshall Williams, Wake Forest
CB Brandon Bing, Rutgers

Detroit Lions
TE Preston Dial, Alabama
LB Quentin Davie, Northwestern
LB DeJuan Fulghum, Texas Southern

Green Bay Packers
WR Tori Gurley, South Carolina
C Sampson Genus, South Florida
KR Shaky Smithson, Utah

Indianapolis Colts
C Jake Kirkpatrick, Texas Christian
S Joe Lefeged, Rutgers

Jacksonville Jaguars
QB Scott Riddle, Elon
RB DuJuan Harris, Troy
WR Greg Ellingson, Florida International
TE Kyle Miller, Mount Union
DE Marc Schiechl, Colorado School of Mines
LB Michael Lockley, Florida Atlantic
CB T.J. Heart, Jacksonville St.
CB Kevin Rutland, Missouri
S Matt Estrada, Northern Arizona
LS Kyle Miller, Mount Union

Kansas City Chiefs
CB Demond Washington, Auburn

Miami Dolphins
RB Nic Grigsby, Arizona
DE Jonathan Freeny, Rutgers

Minnesota Vikings
CB Devon Torrence, Ohio St.

New England Patriots
OT Corey Woods, Akron
DE Alex Silvestro, Rutgers
KR Jeremy Ross, California

New Orleans Saints
DT Dexter Larimore, Ohio St.
SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

New York Giants
OT Jarriel King, South Carolina

New York Jets
WR Josh Baker, NW Missouri St.
DE Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

Philadelphia Eagles
RB Graig Cooper, Miami (FL)
WR Terrance Turner, Indiana
DT Cedric Thornton, Central Arkansas

Pittsburgh Steelers
TE Weslye Saunders, South Carolina
DL Anthony Gray, Southern Mississippi

San Francisco 49ers
C Chase Beeler
OL Donovan Edwards, California
DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame
DE Demarcus Dobbs, Georgia

Seattle Seahawks
QB Scott Tolzien, Wisconsin
WR Ricardo Lockette, Fort Valley St.
OT Brent Osborne, Harvard
FS Jeron Johnson, Boise St.
S Rickey Thenarse, Nebraska

St. Louis Rams
CB James Dockery, Oregon St.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LB Nick Reveiz, Tennessee

Tennessee Titans
DT Zach Clayton, Auburn

Washington Redskins
FS Will Hill, Florida

Cheers I'll add these to the op.

Also, I'm going to be putting rumors and news up as best I can bolded in the OP under headings as deadlines fall down. i.e. post lockout news, news when negotiations are allowed etc so it can be read easier.

coordinator0
07-25-2011, 09:41 PM
@MarkHerzlich Mark Herzlich
For everyone I have not signed with anyone yet and am still making my decision. Thank you for support and I will give official word tomorrow


Hmm... I hope he still ends up with Baltimore.

Wodwo
07-25-2011, 09:44 PM
Hmm... I hope he still ends up with Baltimore.

I have a feeling it's the Harbaugh brothers battling it out for him. Heh.

BlindSite
07-25-2011, 09:45 PM
I know it's getting late in the US but I'll have the list updated before I got to bed tonight which will probably be around 4am US time, so there'll be stuff to read when you guys wake up.

Wodwo
07-25-2011, 09:53 PM
I know it's getting late in the US but I'll have the list updated before I got to bed tonight which will probably be around 4am US time, so there'll be stuff to read when you guys wake up.

Thanks! You're awesome!

I say this even though I'm a 49ers fan and your .gif is embarrassing. Lulz.

Ravens1991
07-25-2011, 09:53 PM
Cold move by Baltimore letting go Mason, he paid for the training during the lockout. I thnik we will give offers to some if not all of those playesr we just cut.



Also I LOVE getting Herzlich, just love it.

GoPackGo
07-25-2011, 09:56 PM
I think Derrick Mason ends up back in Baltimore but cheap.

BlindSite
07-25-2011, 09:56 PM
Cold move by Baltimore letting go Mason, he paid for the training during the lockout. I thnik we will give offers to some if not all of those playesr we just cut.



Also I LOVE getting Herzlich, just love it.


Apparently Herzlich just tweeted that even though he's been offered contracts by more than one team he's not deciding who to sign with until tomorrow.

Also, word is that there will be an offer being extended to heap to cut his price, whether or not they'll do this for Mason as well remains to be seen.

molenguinurtle
07-25-2011, 10:01 PM
I swear Gene Smith is hellbent on proving he's the smartest GM in football. It's almost as if the man purposely avoids anyone even close to being on the public's radar 9/10 times. Granted, here we're just talking about UFA but still, just compare the schools of the Jags' signees to the other teams. It's ridiculously stark by comparison.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-25-2011, 10:12 PM
I swear Gene Smith is hellbent on proving he's the smartest GM in football. It's almost as if the man purposely avoids anyone even close to being on the public's radar 9/10 times. Granted, here we're just talking about UFA but still, just compare the schools of the Jags' signees to the other teams. It's ridiculously stark by comparison.

Yeah I was just looking over the list and had to lol, such a Gene Smith sheet.

TitanHope
07-25-2011, 10:17 PM
Updated list:

...

Tennessee Titans
DT Zach Clayton, Auburn

...

The Titans wanted Clayton so bad in UDFA, they drafted him. ;)

*hat tip to SG

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 10:22 PM
The Titans wanted Clayton so bad in UDFA, they drafted him. ;)

*hat tip to SG

My bad! I'm just collecting all of the signings as I read about them. Must have been a mistake.

TitanHope
07-25-2011, 10:28 PM
My bad! I'm just collecting all of the signings as I read about them. Must have been a mistake.

It's all good! Are teams able to sign draft picks yet? Because if they are, then it could be that they've signed Clayton.

The Titans have signed a WR though. Some dude from TSU (no clue what or where that is). Only guy we've signed I think. :(

DoughBoy
07-25-2011, 10:30 PM
It's all good! Are teams able to sign draft picks yet? Because if they are, then it could be that they've signed Clayton.

The Titans have signed a WR though. Some dude from TSU (no clue what or where that is). Only guy we've signed I think. :(

TSU is the college DRC is from (and they play their home games at LP field). Joesph Hills used to play for South Carolina before transferring.

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 10:35 PM
Arizona Cardinals
QB Pat Devlin, Delaware
WR Davieun Curry-Chapman, Northern Arizona
OT D.J. Young, Michigan St.
C Kris O'Dowd, Southern California

Atlanta Falcons
RB Noel Devine, West Virginia
DE Ryan Winterswyk, Boise St.

Baltimore Ravens
RB Damien Berry, Miami (FL)
OG Justin Boren, Ohio St.
C Tim Barnes, Missouri
DE Chris Walker, Tennessee

Buffalo Bills
RB Emmanuel Moody, Florida
TE Zach Pianalto, North Carolina
LB Brian Duncan, Texas Tech
S Dominic Cook, Buffalo
S Sidney Glover, West Virginia
P Reid Forrest, Washington St.

Carolina Panthers
WR Darvin Adams, Auburn
OT Byron Bell, New Mexico St.
OG Bart Eddins, Auburn
C Ryan Pugh, Auburn
LB Nick Bellore, Central Michigan
CB Kendric Burney, North Carolina
K Adi Kunalic, Nebraska

Chicago Bears
OG Ricky Henry, Nebraska
DT Corbin Bryant, Northwestern
SS Anthony Walters, Delaware
S Dom DeCicco, Pittsburgh

Cincinnati Bengals
FS Brian Lainhart, Kent St.

Cleveland Browns
CB Carl Gettis, Missouri

Dallas Cowboys
WR Lyle Leong, Texas Tech
OG Jose Acuna, Nevada
C Kevin Kowalski, Toledo
CB Mario Butler, Georgia Tech
CB Chris Randle, Utah St.
FS Justin Taplin-Ross, Utah
K Dan Bailey, Oklahoma St.

Denver Broncos
RB Mario Fannin, Auburn
FB Patrick Hill, Miami (FL)
TE Justin Jones, East Carolina
WR Mark Dell, Michigan St.
WR Marshall Williams, Wake Forest
DT Colby Whitlock, Texas Tech
CB Brandon Bing, Rutgers
CB James Rogers, Michigan

Detroit Lions
TE Preston Dial, Alabama
LB Quentin Davie, Northwestern
LB DeJuan Fulghum, Texas Southern
CB Matt Kessler, Binghamton
S Ricardo Silva, Hampton

Green Bay Packers
WR Tori Gurley, South Carolina
C Sampson Genus, South Florida
S Anthony Bratton, Delaware
S M.D. Jennings, Arkansas St.
KR Shaky Smithson, Utah

Houston Texans
FB Bubba Bartlett, Carroll
WR Jeff Maehl, Oregon
OT Pete Hendrickson, Tulane

Indianapolis Colts
TE Mike McNeill, Nebraska
C Jake Kirkpatrick, Texas Christian
LB Chris Colsanti, Penn St.
S Joe Lefeged, Rutgers

Jacksonville Jaguars
QB Scott Riddle, Elon
RB DuJuan Harris, Troy
WR Greg Ellingson, Florida International
TE Kyle Miller, Mount Union
OG Brandon Harper, Duke
DE Marc Schiechl, Colorado School of Mines
LB Michael Lockley, Florida Atlantic
LB Scott Lutrus, Connecticut
CB T.J. Heart, Jacksonville St.
CB Kevin Rutland, Missouri
S Matt Estrada, Northern Arizona
LS Kyle Miller, Mount Union

Kansas City Chiefs
CB Demond Washington, Auburn

Miami Dolphins
RB Nic Grigsby, Arizona
TE Brett Brackett, Penn St.
OG Garrett Chisolm, South Carolina
DE Jonathan Freeny, Rutgers

Minnesota Vikings
WR Andre Holmes, Hillsdale
OG Conan Amituanai, Arizona
CB Devon Torrence, Ohio St.

New England Patriots
OT Corey Woods, Akron
OG Mike Berry, Auburn
DE Alex Silvestro, Rutgers
LB Jeff Tarpinian, Iowa
KR Jeremy Ross, California

New Orleans Saints
WR John Chiles, Texas
WR Joe Morgan, Walsh
DT Dexter Larimore, Ohio St.
LB Jeremiah Hunter, Iowa
S Isa Abdul-Quddus, Fordham
SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson

New York Giants
FB Henry Hynoski, Pittsburgh
OT Jarriel King, South Carolina
DE Pierre Allen, Nebraska

New York Jets
WR Josh Baker, NW Missouri St.
DE Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

Philadelphia Eagles
RB Graig Cooper, Miami (FL)
WR Terrance Turner, Indiana
TE Martell Webb, Michigan
DT Cedric Thornton, Central Arkansas

Pittsburgh Steelers
WR Terrence McCrae, Ohio
TE Weslye Saunders, South Carolina
C Colin Miller, Central Michigan
DL Anthony Gray, Southern Mississippi
FS Matthew Elliott, Maryland

San Diego Chargers
WR Cameron Kenney, Oklahoma
C Colin Baxter, Arizona
LB Bront Bird, Texas Tech

San Francisco 49ers
WR Dontavia Bogan, South Florida
WR Joe Hastings, Washburn
C Chase Beeler, Stanford
OL Donovan Edwards, California
DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame
DE Demarcus Dobbs, Georgia

Seattle Seahawks
WR Ricardo Lockette, Fort Valley St.
OT Brent Osborne, Harvard
DT Ladi Ajiboye, Southern California
LB Michael Morgan, Southern California
FS Jeron Johnson, Boise St.
S Rickey Thenarse, Nebraska

St. Louis Rams
QB Taylor Potts, Texas Tech
RB Derrick Locke, Kentucky
DT Arthur Thomas, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
CB James Dockery, Oregon St.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
QB Mike Coughlin, Boise St.
LB Nick Reveiz, Tennessee

Washington Redskins
FS Will Hill, Florida

TitanHope
07-25-2011, 10:37 PM
TSU is the college DRC is from (and they play their home games at LP field). Joesph Hills used to play for South Carolina before transferring.

Oh, Tennessee State! Thanks. Him coming from the SEC makes me feel better, and being 6'4-6'5 is cool.

He ain't no Dominique Edison though! Nuh-uh!

DoughBoy
07-25-2011, 10:38 PM
Oh, Tennessee State! Thanks. Him coming from the SEC makes me feel better, and being 6'4-6'5 is cool.

He ain't no Dominique Edison though! Nuh-uh!

Dominique Edison was supposed to be the next Brian Ealy...

:(

V.I.P
07-25-2011, 10:39 PM
Noel Devine to Atlanta :/

RufusMcDaniel
07-25-2011, 10:44 PM
The Titans have signed a WR though. Some dude from TSU (no clue what or where that is). Only guy we've signed I think. :(

For a second I thought you said LSU....:'(

Matthew Jones
07-25-2011, 10:44 PM
Well, doesn't look like New England will be bringing in any centers :(

BaLLiN
07-25-2011, 10:53 PM
New York Giants
FB Henry Hynoski, Pittsburgh
OT Jarriel King, South Carolina
DE Pierre Allen, Nebraska

YESSSS
BUSHPENIS (hedgecock) CAN
http://www.freewebs.com/gtfo-noobs/gtfo2.jpg

Hurricanes25
07-25-2011, 11:07 PM
2010 dead money will not count towards the cap so the Jets are $7.8 million under the cap, not $1.3 million over which was being reported. Aso to the Jets is a real possibility...

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2011/07/25/salary-cap-update-2010-dead-money-will-not-count/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Xiomera
07-25-2011, 11:14 PM
Here's a link to download the NFL's official list of free agents and RFA tender information:

http://bit.ly/piKCgu

You're welcome.

_YL_
07-25-2011, 11:20 PM
Hopefully the dead money thing is true cause it will sure help out oakland

critesy
07-25-2011, 11:40 PM
byrom isom G Auburn signed with the vikings via twitter

Pat Sims 90
07-26-2011, 12:12 AM
Rumor is Sanzenbacher has narrowed it down to Buffalo or Cincinnati.

Cincinnati is also Rumored to be targeting Jim Sorgi or Bruce Gradkowski in FA.

ellsy82
07-26-2011, 12:41 AM
Rumor is Sanzenbacher has narrowed it down to Buffalo or Cincinnati.

Cincinnati is also Rumored to be targeting Jim Sorgi or Bruce Gradkowski in FA.

Great...the QB that shred the Steelers two years ago. Awesome.

Hines
07-26-2011, 12:49 AM
John Clay to the Steelers.

vidae
07-26-2011, 12:49 AM
David Mims to the Chiefs.

Pat Sims 90
07-26-2011, 01:00 AM
Great...the QB that shred the Steelers two years ago. Awesome.

Really does not matter which one that sign. Team has basically been saying that Andy Dalton is the starter. Gradkowski would be the one i wanted out of those 2.

XxXdragonXxX
07-26-2011, 01:04 AM
New York Giants
DE Pierre Allen, Nebraska


http://twitter.com/#!/NotoriousOHM

"@MikeGarafolo Word is Nebraska DE Pierre Allen did not agree 2 terms w/ Giants and is ticketed for Seahawks. We'll figure it out in a.m."

SuperMcGee
07-26-2011, 01:44 AM
Nice to see Pianalto get picked up by us. Always like giving the Buffalo guys a look, too, and Cook usually held his own in a talented secondary. Sure don't mind that Sanzenbacher rumor.

Carolina making some good looking pickups tonight.

molenguinurtle
07-26-2011, 02:05 AM
For a second I thought you said LSU....:'(

Sooooo you have the greatest avatar I've ever seen.

BlindSite
07-26-2011, 05:33 AM
Updated folks.

Giantsfan1080
07-26-2011, 06:55 AM
I really wanted the Colts to grab Johnson. Can anyone tell me anything about Legefed?

Hard hitting S who is very good against the run. He's a little below average in coverage because he gets turned around sometimes but he can be average in that area. Excellent ST player who can be above average as a gunner in the NFL.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 07:23 AM
I'm not really sure how this is going to work for Dallas, who needs to re-work deals and cut a bunch of players to even get under the cap. Since we cant even do that until Thursday and Friday, seems like it's just going to be a mess for us. There is tons of money out there, and techincally we wont have any until possibly Friday to spend. A great deal of the FAs are obviously going to agree in priniciple as quickly as possible, and without us actually having any money right away, we may get screwed a bit here.

Giantsfan1080
07-26-2011, 07:27 AM
A lot of players are going to come to agreements with teams starting today even though they can't sign officially until Friday. I thought you could start cutting your own players today though to make cap room?

DiG
07-26-2011, 07:32 AM
Skins also signed Willie Smith, OT, East Carolina (excited about him), Shaun Draughn, RB, UNC, and Ben Chappell, QB, Indiana

Giantsfan1080
07-26-2011, 07:39 AM
Hynoski is not officially a Giant. According to one of our beat writers he's still choosing between multiple teams.

gpngc
07-26-2011, 07:51 AM
2010 dead money will not count towards the cap so the Jets are $7.8 million under the cap, not $1.3 million over which was being reported. Aso to the Jets is a real possibility...

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2011/07/25/salary-cap-update-2010-dead-money-will-not-count/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Even better. People just can't wrap their head around it because it doesn't fit team needs like a perfect puzzle piece.

Jughead10
07-26-2011, 07:51 AM
I think Derrick Mason ends up back in Baltimore but cheap.

Yeah I think so too. Heard him on the radio today. He doesn't want to be far from his home outside Nashville. Part of the reason he went to Baltimore in the first place, he requires somewhere that flys direct quickly to Nashville. That really limits the teams he's willing to play for. Throw in that he only wants to play for a contender, and now you have 2 or 3 teams. The Ravens know this and he'll re-sign.

DiG
07-26-2011, 07:55 AM
i live in baltimore. sounds like they want heap and mason both back for cheap.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 07:57 AM
A lot of players are going to come to agreements with teams starting today even though they can't sign officially until Friday. I thought you could start cutting your own players today though to make cap room?

I think you can announce cuts...but you cant cut anyone until Thursday. Even then, Dallas' money is cloudy, because you cant rework your player's contracts until Friday. And cuts alone wont get Dallas under, more than likely. It's just messy...what are they going to do? Make Free an offer without even having a concrete idea of how much they have to spend? And without the money being readily available? It just kind of sucks, because Free is going to be getting tons of lucrative offers between now and then. Among other Cowboys and outside FAs. I expect Free back, but this is just an odd situation.

cmarq83
07-26-2011, 08:02 AM
2010 dead money will not count towards the cap so the Jets are $7.8 million under the cap, not $1.3 million over which was being reported. Aso to the Jets is a real possibility...

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2011/07/25/salary-cap-update-2010-dead-money-will-not-count/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

This is f'n stupid, but it turns out that it was well played by the Jets and other teams with a lot of dead money.

Giantsfan1080
07-26-2011, 08:02 AM
The schedule is certainly weird. I expect a lot of restructuring is going on also which we won't hear much about.

Jughead10
07-26-2011, 08:04 AM
I think you can announce cuts...but you cant cut anyone until Thursday. Even then, Dallas' money is cloudy, because you cant rework your player's contracts until Friday. And cuts alone wont get Dallas under, more than likely. It's just messy...what are they going to do? Make Free an offer without even having a concrete idea of how much they have to spend? And without the money being readily available? It just kind of sucks, because Free is going to be getting tons of lucrative offers between now and then. Among other Cowboys and outside FAs. I expect Free back, but this is just an odd situation.

While it does suck, the Cowboys put themselves in this situation. They had to know the cap would come back at some point. Even the Raiders attacked this ahead of time by re-signing some of there key guys (the few they have) before the lockout went into effect.

Also can't you go a certain amount over the cap for a little bit? At least to buy time to rework some of your deals.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 08:11 AM
While it does suck, the Cowboys put themselves in this situation. They had to know the cap would come back at some point. Even the Raiders attacked this ahead of time by re-signing some of there key guys (the few they have) before the lockout went into effect.

Also can't you go a certain amount over the cap for a little bit? At least to buy time to rework some of your deals.

Dont get me wrong, I know they did it to themselves. And it's not going to get any better. Just think they need to re-work Romo, Ware, and Austin's contracts on Friday, so they can even sign their own players and a couple of free agents. It's just a temporary solution, however, which will end up hurting them in the long run. Dallas is going to be in cap hell for quite a while yet. At least, this wasnt a product of over spending on FAs. More so, they've invested a **** ton of money into their own home grown talent...ala Romo, Barber, Miles, Witten, Ware, Newman, soon to be Free, etc.

Luckily, Stephen Jones is one of those cap genius' who manages to make things work every year, but it catches up to everyone, eventually. Dallas could potentially still be in a position to make a few splashes this FA period, but the order of the schedule, kind of disrupts things a bit. Or so it would appear.

hockey619
07-26-2011, 08:12 AM
Skins also signed Willie Smith, OT, East Carolina (excited about him), Shaun Draughn, RB, UNC, and Ben Chappell, QB, Indiana

willie smith has some serious upside, hes pretty damn athletic. Just needs a whole lot of polish, really like him as a developmental guy.

Jughead10
07-26-2011, 08:13 AM
So who is going to be the casualty of the cap issues? I would think Barber would be the first to go. Who else?

Splat
07-26-2011, 08:14 AM
Report: Broncos want to trade Orton and do it fast (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-broncos-want-to-trade-orton-and-do-it-fast/)

cmarq83
07-26-2011, 08:18 AM
Report: Broncos want to trade Orton and do it fast (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/report-broncos-want-to-trade-orton-and-do-it-fast/)

I think Kyle Orton would be a great addition to a team like the Miami Dolphins. Behind a good line, and a young defense they could put themselves in a position to make some noise in the AFC East opposite the Patriots and Jets.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 08:21 AM
Barber and Colombo are 100% gone. That saves Dallas $7.2 million right there.

Cutting the horrible, Leonard Davis, only save about $2.0 million. But it really needs to be done.

Those may be our only cuts. Cutting Newman saves money, but I really dont see that cut coming. We're shaky at CB, and probably wont have the funds available to replace Newman.

The whole Roy Williams thing is just a mess. You're either looking at an insane cap hit this year, or an insane cap hit next year. Depending how you'd designate his departure. So he's probably not going anywhere.

Dallas needs to clear room...but they also need to be aware of the future ramifications of some of these cuts. They're going to be at the cap ceiling again next season, so they cant have all this dead money on the books next year.

Komp
07-26-2011, 08:49 AM
Cutting the horrible, Leonard Davis, only save about $2.0 million. But it really needs to be done.


Oh god, why do I see Al Davis signing him.....stay away Al!

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 09:03 AM
Oh god, why do I see Al Davis signing him.....stay away Al!

lol. Sad the way he's regressed. He was fantastic for a couple years with us, now he's the worst player on that line. I see he's still in the high 80s or something like that in the Madden 12 player ratings, though. :/

But anyway as for Dallas...if what I've read is correct. We're looking at creating about $17.47 million after reworking Romo, Austin, and Ware. Then you get that $3 million credit per the new CBA. So that's $20.47 million. And then an additional $9ish million by cutting Barber, Colombo, and Davis. So essentially, I'd imagine, we're looking at like $11 millionish in free space, assuming our salary cap exceedings are still sitting at $18 million or so.

We'll need to re-sign at least...Free, Bowen, and Kosier. This still leaves us with a hole at RG and safetyless. So obviously we're going to have get creative. Hooray for signing bonuses, accompanied by small base salaries. Even though, these backloaded contracts will absolutely kill us in the future.

Splat
07-26-2011, 09:08 AM
Top 80 Free Agents (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/top-80-free-agents/)

49erNation85
07-26-2011, 09:09 AM
I would not mind Orton in SF right now.But I doubt it happens.I also hope that SF sings some key defenders and a couple of good play makers on offensive while we have a short FA period.

bearsfan_51
07-26-2011, 09:10 AM
Does anyone recall why Jonathan Joseph wasn't franchised? Did the Bengals franchise someone else or are they just stupid?

bigbluedefense
07-26-2011, 09:14 AM
I think they franchised someone else, I can't remember who it was, but it was a definite head scratcher.

I could be wrong though, but I remember saying to myself, seriously, you franchised that guy over Joseph?

I'll let a Cinncy fan confirm or refute it.

Ravens1991
07-26-2011, 09:14 AM
Its a franchise that turned down 2 first round picks for Ocho Cinco so Ill say stupid

bearsfan_51
07-26-2011, 09:15 AM
Top 80 Free Agents (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/top-80-free-agents/)
Eric Weddle at 20 is crazy. He's so much better than that.

I also think Posluszny is being underrated. It's not a position of value, but the guy can play.

The rest I think is fine. I agree that Braylon Edwards is overrated, but I would still encourage the Bears to take a look if the price is right.

SolidGold
07-26-2011, 09:18 AM
I think Alex Smith goes back to San Fran and will actually have a pretty decent year under Haurbaugh.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-26-2011, 09:20 AM
I think Alex Smith goes back to San Fran and will actually have a pretty decent year under Haurbaugh.

That's pretty much been the consensus even prior to drafting Kaepernick.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2011, 09:21 AM
I think people need to accept that Alex Smith is what he is, and isn't going to magically not suck after 6 years.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 09:21 AM
That's been a given for a while. I still like Alex Smith, honestly. But yeah, he's 100% expected back.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 09:23 AM
He may not have been a pro bowler by this point (lol)...but he certainly was mistreated and got the short end of the stick, with all those revolving coordinators.

I still cant dismiss him, because while its been years...he shows these flashes and connects on some beautiful balls. Which still make me wonder, if something is there. Hopefully he will have a good year under Harbaugh...I ceraintly would not be surprised if he did.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2011, 09:27 AM
At the end of the day though, football is football. It's not like he was running a choice route offense, he was running traditional route running offenses.

So what's the big deal with playbook changes? He just has to memorize terminology and protections. That's it. It's not going to change how he approaches defenses once he gets on the field.

Having the same playbook isn't going to change how he reads defenses, or identify which guy is open on any given play, or be more accurate, or look off safeties etc.

It's an excuse. Yes, it didn't help his development, but it's not nearly as detrimental as you think. By now he is what he is. You could mask his deficiencies and perhaps fluff his stats a little, but he is what he is.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-26-2011, 09:29 AM
He may not have been a pro bowler by this point (lol)...but he certainly was mistreated and got the short end of the stick, with all those revolving coordinators.

I still cant dismiss him, because while its been years...he shows these flashes and connects on some beautiful balls. Which still make me wonder, if something is there. Hopefully he will have a good year under Harbaugh...I ceraintly would not be surprised if he did.

There has to be a certain point when you have to write a guy off as a starter though. Jason Campbell is the same way, still has a job even though he doesn't deserve it because he has the underlying excuse of changing coordinators and showing "flashes." For Smith though he's lucky since regardless he's 20x better than Kaepernick at this point and Harbaugh has the reputation of a QB guru. Smith is kind of QB by default. TBH though if I were the 49ers I'd rather have a bridge in QB like Hasselbeck or Bulger. Smith because of his draft slot and still relative young age will give you reasons to believe he can be a full time starter and will ultimately fail in the long term. This would only set the 49ers back from actually evaulating Kaepernick and seeing if they need to move on completely with a new QB.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2011, 09:30 AM
It's one thing if he went from say a WCO to a run n shoot that forces you and the WR to adjust according to the defense, which is much much more complicated than a traditional route running offense.

But the guy ran traditional route running offenses. So what's the difference of learning slants vs skinny posts? It's the same **** once you get on the field. That's not an excuse for him making bad reads, throwing inaccurately, and fumbling bc of small hands, having poor pocket presence, not being able to identify the blitz etc.

It's just an excuse. He's just not a good qb unfortunately. He's not the first and won't be the last qb that looked good in college and wound up a dud in the NFL.

SolidGold
07-26-2011, 09:30 AM
Smith has been a victim of shoddy coaching, his second year under Turner was like night and day from his rookie year and than NORVANA left San Fran to coach San Diego.

Mike Nolan did not do Smith any favors and really did alot to damage Smith's confidence. Singeltary was a clueless sideshow of a coach.

Smith will benefit from Haurbaugh's offensive mindset and background. Alex Smith is alot like Jason Campbell, both have not had much stability at the offensive coordinator position yet everyone gives Jason Campbell a free pass and Alex Smith gets thrown under the bus.

Hines
07-26-2011, 09:31 AM
Herzlich to the Giants.

SolidGold
07-26-2011, 09:33 AM
The Giants love BC players

Jughead10
07-26-2011, 09:35 AM
Herzlich to the Giants.

Sexy.

I'm also surprised Barry Cofield is so low on that top 80 list. He's no stud, but he has a lot of fans around here. I guess people here like him more than these guys.

Monomach
07-26-2011, 09:35 AM
Does anyone recall why Jonathan Joseph wasn't franchised? Did the Bengals franchise someone else or are they just stupid?

They didn't franchise anyone. At the time, the Bengals said that they wanted to see how the CBA thing turned out.

Basically, Mike Brown is stupid enough that he thought the players would get raped down to factory worker wages.

Hines
07-26-2011, 09:36 AM
Steelers official UDFA signings. I'm so pumped for Mario Harvey:

Vaughn Charlton, TE/HB (Temple)
John Clay, HB (Wisconsin)
Terrence McCrae, WR (Ohio)
Armand Robinson, WR (Miami University)
Adam Mims, WR (Furman)
Weslye Saunders, TE (South Carolina)
Colin Miller, C (Central Michigan)
Trevis Turner, OT (Abilene Christian)
Brent Greenwood, S (Iowa)
Niles Brinkley, CB (Wisconsin)
Eric Clanton, OLB (Citadel)
Mario Harvey, MLB (Marshall)
Miguel Chavis, DE (Clemson)
Anthony Gray, DT (Southern Miss)
Eric Greenwood, WR (Idaho)

gpngc
07-26-2011, 09:42 AM
Josh Muthafukin Portis to SEA. Rumor of Deunta Williams to CAR.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 09:50 AM
I still refuse to write Smith off. Similar schematics or not...memorizing the terminology and getting a feel of familiarity, would be a tall task for anyone who has had 6 offensive coordinators. Smith's intelligence is unquestioned, but having to go through the coordinator carousel was just ridiculous. His grading is incomplete in my mind, given this and the injuries. The guy does have a **** ton of talent. I would have loved to see what he could have done in a normal sitiation.

Matthew Jones
07-26-2011, 09:51 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned but according to John Beck, the Redskins are set to re-sign Rex Grossman as soon as it's allowed.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 09:52 AM
mmm You gotta love that QB situation.

Nalej
07-26-2011, 09:56 AM
Redskins SB bound? I think so!!!

49erNation85
07-26-2011, 10:02 AM
Where have some of you people been.Smith is already back with the 49ers this year sadly it is going to be a tough year for me to watch.But maybe JH can get him to improve a little more and actually put up some play off numbers before he goes on trading block.I just don't think hes got the talent for a play off run IMHO.Tho last year he had a chance if stupid singleterry would have just plaid him the WHOLE year.But that horrible year is over and time to just move as we should have but with FA coming a long I just hope we trade for a QB(Other then Kolb)for a stop gap QB until either CK is ready or until next year draft where there is some better talent at QB.

Jughead10
07-26-2011, 10:06 AM
Where have some of you people been.Smith is already back with the 49ers this year sadly it is going to be a tough year for me to watch.But maybe JH can get him to improve a little more and actually put up some play off numbers before he goes on trading block.I just don't think hes got the talent for a play off run IMHO.Tho last year he had a chance if stupid singleterry would have just plaid him the WHOLE year.But that horrible year is over and time to just move as we should have but with FA coming a long I just hope we trade for a QB(Other then Kolb)for a stop gap QB until either CK is ready or until next year draft where there is some better talent at QB.

Throw the year away and draft Luck. As sad as that sounds, that is probably the best way for the 49ers to get back to relevance.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2011, 10:06 AM
What about Nate Davis? Wasn't he tearing it up in the PS? How come he never got a shot?

Damix
07-26-2011, 10:24 AM
Davis was on Seattle last year, and just signed with the Colts.

bigbluedefense
07-26-2011, 10:27 AM
Why'd they cut him? Didn't he do well in the PS?

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 10:30 AM
Because he doesnt throw with the laces. It's disgusting. lol.

hockey619
07-26-2011, 10:47 AM
What about Nate Davis? Wasn't he tearing it up in the PS? How come he never got a shot?

i thought nate davis was there future, he looked very legit at ball state and showed flashes during the preseason.

Supposedly the work ethic isnt really there, or he just doesnt have it mentally to pick up the playbook. i know he has some type of learning disorder...

SolidGold
07-26-2011, 10:49 AM
Kevin Payne signed by the Panthers

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 10:50 AM
http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/college_impact/2008/10/large_nate-davis.jpg

Makes me want to throw up. Yeah, lets just wear gloves and omit those laces. eww.

SolidGold
07-26-2011, 10:52 AM
I want to see some trades....Orton...Kolb

Splat
07-26-2011, 10:55 AM
I want to see some trades....Orton...Kolb

If my team needed a QB I would take Orton over Kolb.

hockey619
07-26-2011, 10:55 AM
I want to see some trades....Orton...Kolb

cant wait to see someone fleaced in a trade for kolb, its going to be hilarious

SolidGold
07-26-2011, 10:58 AM
I think AZ would be a fit for Kolb. I am probably higher on him than alot of folks though.

DiG
07-26-2011, 11:14 AM
If my team needed a QB I would take Orton over Kolb.

without question yes

jrdrylie
07-26-2011, 11:14 AM
If my team needed a QB I would take Orton over Kolb.

There is a reason two teams have given up on Orton despite him having some success. He is a stopgap player and nothing more. He has a terribly weak arm. He can be good in a system like Josh McDaniels (but so could almost any other QB). But the truth is, he is a below average quarterback about in line with David Garrard and Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Is Kolb better? I think it is too early to tell. But at least Kolb has the tools to project as a potential franchise QB. That is something you cannot say about Orton.

Matthew Jones
07-26-2011, 11:25 AM
Patriots make a couple of moves:

Patriots to release CB Tony Carter

The Patriots have informed CB Tony Carter that they will be releasing him. The Patriots are estimated to save $480,000 of Carter's $490,000 salary. Carter was projected to get lost in the shuffle considering New England's depth at CB.

Patriots will release LB Tully Banta-Cain

Shortly after getting word that he would miss the next four or five weeks due to a recent abdominal surgery, the Patriots have announced that they will release linebacker Tully Banta-Cain, who recorded just five sacks last season. Banta-Cain was mostly used as a pass rushing specialist in the team's sub package, but did not find the same amount of success he did in 2009, when he totaled almost ten sacks. Releasing Banta-Cain is projected to save the Patriots $2.3 million, and they will be responsible for paying him another $2.2 million or so. His role in the sub package appears to belong to Eric Moore now, at least temporarily.

Ravens1991
07-26-2011, 11:35 AM
how is the pats cap situation? Do you predict them attempting to make a big move in FA?

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 11:40 AM
Dallas has informed Leonard Davis that he's getting cut. Freshboy had the info first. Props good sir.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
07-26-2011, 11:47 AM
Dane Sanzenbacher signs with Chicago! I have no idea why I'm this excited...

diabsoule
07-26-2011, 11:48 AM
Mike Brown concedes that Carson Palmer is retired from football
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/206891/football-headlines?r=1

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 11:49 AM
Packers cut Nick Barnett.

jrdrylie
07-26-2011, 11:50 AM
Rumors are the Bears are looking to sign Durant, the former Jaguars linebacker. I think he is a nice fit for Chicago's defense.

Giantsfan1080
07-26-2011, 11:51 AM
Should we make a seperate thread for cuts?

diabsoule
07-26-2011, 11:52 AM
Giants have told OL Rich Seubert he'll be released, according to a source: http://t.co/hnlepKE

V.I.P
07-26-2011, 11:57 AM
Nick Barnett wants to be a Buc :)

hockey619
07-26-2011, 12:12 PM
Nick Barnett wants to be a Buc :)

it wouldnt surprise me if a lot of guys wanted to go to the bucs.

1) they have money to throw around, but were competitive without those extra star guys
2) they have a very young team that will get even better
3) i feel like players will really like raheem morris, he seems like a guy that players will love playing for, sort of like rex.

Unbiased
07-26-2011, 12:22 PM
Rumors are the Bears are looking to sign Durant, the former Jaguars linebacker. I think he is a nice fit for Chicago's defense.

I think he's a good fit, too. Jags and Bears have sort of exchanged LBs recently with Rod Wilson and Brian Iwuh. I would like the Jags to get Nick Roach if he becomes available.


Other Jags news: Reportedly very interested in Dawan Landry.

Matthew Jones
07-26-2011, 12:27 PM
how is the pats cap situation? Do you predict them attempting to make a big move in FA?

The Patriots were reported to have about $7.5 million to spend today by Mike Reiss.

He also mentioned that the figure includes Mankins' $10 million franchise tag, and that it does not include roughly $2 million owed to BenJarvus Green-Ellis (RFA) and $5.8 million for the rookie cap pool.

So after signing BJGE and the rookies, they should be about $300,000 over before factoring in cuts today.

These are estimates, but the Patriots should be able to save $480,000 by cutting CB Tony Carter and $2.3 million by cutting Tully Banta-Cain, which will both happen at some point in the near future and gives them about $2.5 million of wiggle room.

They could further clear up some more money by cutting other players:

RB Thomas Clayton ($0.48/$0.49)

TE Alge Crumpler ($2.4/$3.01)

OT Nick Kaczur ($3.4/$4.38)

LB Marques Murrell ($0.55/$0.56)

CB Jonathan Wilhite ($1.2/$1.31)

All of those players being cut would save another $8 million. I expect the Patriots to go after a mid-level pass rusher such as Matt Roth or (less likely) Mathias Kiwanuka, as well as to try and sign Matt Light to a new contract.

DiG
07-26-2011, 12:33 PM
incarceratedbob incarcerated bob

**BREAKING NFL NEWS**Source: Matt Hasselback & Tennessee Titans have come to an agreement in principle (Hearing 2 years) not official yet

V.I.P
07-26-2011, 12:35 PM
Pats cut Banta-cain

The New England Patriots have informed linebacker Tully Banta-Cain they will cut him on Thursday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

One of the Patriots' top pass-rushers, Banta-Cain compiled 15 sacks over the last two seasons in New England.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 12:36 PM
I really want to know how much this "monster offer" the Titans are about to offer Hasselbeck is for.

DiG
07-26-2011, 12:37 PM
@AdamSchefter
Adam Schefter
Another Cowboys cut: Dallas releasing RB Marion Barber.

V.I.P
07-26-2011, 12:38 PM
Cowboys releasing Marion barber

I liked him a few yeas ago.

M.O.T.H.
07-26-2011, 12:39 PM
I wish we could get some clarification on Colombo. Lots of crossed info. But we've cut Davis, Barber, and Kris Brown for sure. That's probably going to be it as far as cuts go.

RaiderNation
07-26-2011, 12:43 PM
No big news really from the Raiders, which is expected. We are likely to make cap room with cuts/restructures before we make any signings. I could see us locking up Miller though even if we are overthe cap to ensure we keep him. Without him our offense will be nothing.

DoughBoy
07-26-2011, 12:47 PM
I really want to know how much this "monster offer" the Titans are about to offer Hasselbeck is for.

Knowing the Tits, its probably a bus pass and a T-shirt.

diabsoule
07-26-2011, 12:48 PM
Its looking more and more that the Saints will cut Reggie Bush

TheFinisher
07-26-2011, 12:49 PM
I liked him a few yeas ago.

Yea tough to see Marion the Barbarian go, but he was simply making way more than he was worth.

V.I.P
07-26-2011, 12:51 PM
Its looking more and more that the Saints will cut Reggie Bush

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Damn it, that's not 10 chars

Splat
07-26-2011, 12:52 PM
Would not mind the Chiefs picking up Nick Barnett.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
07-26-2011, 01:05 PM
Bears should cut Chester Taylor and pick up Marion Barber. That's a nice fit, if you ask me.