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Crimson79
08-07-2011, 09:26 PM
Didn't see one started, and I figured it was about time to get one up.

I think it is pretty safe to say we will be looking at defensive backs and defensive lineman pretty early.

What are some names to keep an eye on?

Some of the guys I plan to watch are:

Alfonzo Dennard
Jared Crick
Ray Ray Armstrong
Mark Barron
Dre Kirkpatrick
Jayron Hosely


Who else are you guys liking early?

Im_a_Romosexual
08-07-2011, 09:33 PM
I want Sean Baker sooo bad, not sure where he goes probably a 3rd rounder

mini mock
Crick/ 5 tech
interior OL
Baker/ Safety
Corner
WR

Crimson79
08-07-2011, 09:47 PM
I want Sean Baker sooo bad, not sure where he goes probably a 3rd rounder

mini mock
Crick/ 5 tech
interior OL
Baker/ Safety
Corner
WR

I don't think Dallas can wait till the 3rd to address the secondary. I was thinking:

1st-DB
2nd-DL
3rd-OG/C
4th-DB
5th-Slot WR
6th-BPA
7th-BPA

Macarthur
08-08-2011, 11:15 AM
I don't think Dallas can wait till the 3rd to address the secondary. I was thinking:

1st-DB
2nd-DL
3rd-OG/C
4th-DB
5th-Slot WR
6th-BPA
7th-BPA

I think this looks pretty good.

bluebonnet78
08-08-2011, 01:50 PM
We might even go OLB if the value is there in the first especially if Spencer doesn't come back. Of course we could just give Butler a starting shot next season and see how that pans out.

But i agree on taking a DB somewhere in the first, maybe a DL in the second, and Maybe another Guard or center in the 3rd or 4th. Hope we lean towards the defense in 2012.

TheFinisher
08-24-2011, 05:39 PM
My Wishlist:

Cliff Harris

We need an infusion of young playmaking talent in our secondary and Harris is the best in this class at taking the football away. Not only are his ball skills elite but he's a blue chip return man so he's got the ability to take any INT to the house. He has a red flag or two with the incident that happened this past spring, but if everything checks out I want him on this team.

Ray Ray Armstrong

Unlimited potential, has that rare combination of size/speed that intrigues you at the Safety position. More of a SS type, Armstrong would bring a nastiness/swag to the secondary that we desperately need. He's not there yet, but he's got the ability to develop into a similar player as Sean Taylor.

David Decastro

Smart, athletic, tough... Decastro seems like a Garrett kind of guy. Our other guard spot is going to be a wild card in determining what direction we go in next off-season. If Nagy/Arkin can prove worthy as starters for us this season then we won't need to spend a premium pick, but I'd say that's a long shot. Plus, Kosier is not getting any younger.

D-Unit
08-31-2011, 09:32 PM
My Wishlist:

Cliff Harris

We need an infusion of young playmaking talent in our secondary and Harris is the best in this class at taking the football away. Not only are his ball skills elite but he's a blue chip return man so he's got the ability to take any INT to the house. He has a red flag or two with the incident that happened this past spring, but if everything checks out I want him on this team.

Ray Ray Armstrong

Unlimited potential, has that rare combination of size/speed that intrigues you at the Safety position. More of a SS type, Armstrong would bring a nastiness/swag to the secondary that we desperately need. He's not there yet, but he's got the ability to develop into a similar player as Sean Taylor.

David Decastro

Smart, athletic, tough... Decastro seems like a Garrett kind of guy. Our other guard spot is going to be a wild card in determining what direction we go in next off-season. If Nagy/Arkin can prove worthy as starters for us this season then we won't need to spend a premium pick, but I'd say that's a long shot. Plus, Kosier is not getting any younger.
I like that pick of Cliff Harris. I really have a strong hunch that he will be a future Cowboy. I dunno why, but it won't surprise me one bit to see him be our guy on draft day. You may just get your wish! :D

thule
09-01-2011, 04:13 PM
Here are some guys I'm watching and NFP's breakdown of them.

LB Courtney Upshaw: Alabama (6-2, 263)
I like him as a 34 outside backer who can play on the strong side, take on linemen at the point and also rush the passer. He’s at his best attacking downhill, using his strong hands to disengage and always is around the football. Looks like a year one starter to me at the next level with scheme versatility and impact potential.

DT Alameda Ta’amu: Washington (6-3, 335)
This is the kind of guy who has the ability to anchor the middle of an NFL defense in either a 3-4 or 4-3 front. Needs to do a better job finding the football, but overall he looks like a starter you can win because of at the next level.

CB Chase Minnifield: Virginia (6-0, 188)
A talented corner who can bend, re-direct, maintain balance out of his breaks and make plays on the football. Improved as the year went on in 2010 and looks like one of the more NFL ready corners in this year’s draft. Should be able to start in just about any scheme.

DT Kheeston Randall: Texas (6-5, 295)
Is an impressive bender for his size with the skill set to start as either a 34 DE or 43 one gaping tackle. Could develop into an impact defensive lineman if he works at it.

OG Kevin Zeitler: Wisconsin (6-4, 320)
A tough, strong in-line guy who you can run behind and also has some coordination on the move. Not as effective in the pass game, but can mature into an average NFL pass blocker if he learns to get off the ball more consistently. Looks like a gritty type starter early on in his NFL career.

DE Trevor Guyton: Cal (6-3, 289)
A guy who can fill a number of roles on a defense. He’s a naturally powerful kid who can anchor and overwhelm vs. the run game. Needs to improve his hands and awareness, but the upside is there for him to move up boards in a big way with a strong senior year.

SS Harrison Smith: Notre Dame (6-2, 214) He’s a thicker kid who can really tackle, gets good jumps in the pass game and will make plays on the football. Is a little tight by NFL standards, but his instincts are very good and he should earn a starting job at the next level as a strong safety.

WR Ryan Broyles: Oklahoma (5-11, 187)
Isn’t a legit number one type wide out and isn’t a guy who I would even play on the outside routinely in the NFL. However, demonstrates the polish and quickness needed to separate underneath and should be a solid contributor early inside for an NFL offense.

TheFinisher
09-02-2011, 11:22 AM
I like that pick of Cliff Harris. I really have a strong hunch that he will be a future Cowboy. I dunno why, but it won't surprise me one bit to see him be our guy on draft day. You may just get your wish! :D

I'm just not sure if the team views CB as a round 1 priority being we just gave Scandrick starter money. Mike Jenkins' play this year will obviously play a hand in that as well, but I think the team thinks they have their future 1 and 2 already on the roster.

Safety makes more sense to me in round 1 because Sense and Elam were only given stop-gap contracts, and we don't really have any promising prospect on the team. Ugh, AoA has been such a disappointment. I know your a fan of McDonald, he probably makes the most sense ATM.

It's gonna be fun seeing how the C/G situation plays out. I'm not a believer in those young guys but who knows. If they do **** the bed we're gonna have to seriously consider taking a guard like Decastro in round 1. I hope not, the D needs as many high picks for DL and secondary as possible.

TheFinisher
09-02-2011, 11:34 AM
And speaking of USC guys, how'd Khaled Holmes play last year? He's a G/C who's should be in that 3-4 range.

E-Man
09-07-2011, 03:29 PM
I'm still a Kenny Tate fan, but watching the game against Miami this week really makes me think his draft stock is going to drop big time. It's like they don't know what to do with him. They moved him to linebacker, and they kept moving him close to the line of scrimmage. He'll probably drop to a point where he can be had cheap.

D-Unit
09-07-2011, 04:10 PM
I'm still a Kenny Tate fan, but watching the game against Miami this week really makes me think his draft stock is going to drop big time. It's like they don't know what to do with him. They moved him to linebacker, and they kept moving him close to the line of scrimmage. He'll probably drop to a point where he can be had cheap.
I don't know what use we'd have for him. Even Roy Williams looked amazing at Oklahoma. As we found out the hard way, there's no role for guys like him who are LB/S tweeners.

yanksknicks
09-07-2011, 08:49 PM
2012 Draft Needs = same as 2006 to 2011.

OL, NT, ILB, Safeties

D-Unit
09-08-2011, 02:53 PM
2012 Draft Needs = same as 2006 to 2011.

OL, NT, ILB, Safeties
I had a feeling you were robert_in_nyc. Hi Bob.

MetSox17
09-08-2011, 05:27 PM
I had a feeling you were robert_in_nyc. Hi Bob.

dude yes, lol, the jerry bashing in the discussion thread coupled with the drafting hate was pretty obvious.

M.O.T.H.
09-08-2011, 07:21 PM
It took you guys that long? lol. I knew as soon as I saw the username.

I didnt know Airmax was CDCB, though.

D-Unit
09-08-2011, 09:24 PM
Every year, I try to have a fun way to track the guys that capture my attention. Whether it be weekly Top 10 lists... or a Season Tracker... this year, I don't know what I'll do, but I think I'll do a "Fab 5" by mentioning guys who had standout performances each week at positions I think we need.

So here goes...

The Fab 5 - Week 1

CB Shaun Prater, Iowa - 5'10, 185

http://thegazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/shaunprater.jpg

A solid game with an 89 yard TD return off INT will get you on this list. :) Prater has 7 career INTs and is the best defensive player that Iowa has. My eyes are on you kid! ;)

FS John Boyett, Oregon - 5'10 202

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/John+Boyett+Arizona+v+Oregon+ClAAobnBozMl.jpg

Lead the Ducks with 14 tackles, 1 TFL. Junior (3 year starter) and team captain. Had 5 INTs last year. My guess is that he'll return for his Senior year, but I had to list him because he was all over the place against LSU, eventhough they lost.

SS Winston Guy, Kentucky - 6'1, 216

http://www.nationofblue.com/content/attachments/2665d1284728821-winstonguy.jpg

Unbelievable week 1 for Winston Guy who ended up with 10 tackles, 2.5 for loss add in 2 Interceptions! That's what I call playmaking ability! Jumped on my radar with that performance. Dude also runs Track.

ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3LYbhbzHu44/TPhyB9PMk6I/AAAAAAAAAM0/33eWFVovzwQ/s320/luke-kuechly.jpg

How does a 19 tackle game with an INT (near TD) sound for the first game of the year? I know we drafted Bruce Carter, but this year's ILB crop is oozing wtih talent (another reason I hated the pick). I'm telling myself that Carter is a career Nickel LB because Sean Lee and Luke Kuechly could be the most cerebral ILB duo in the league.

FS Jerrell Young, USF - 6'1, 209

http://greengoldandbold.com/files/2010/10/ncf_a_mists_200.jpg

Stripped the ball away early in the game to cause a fumble that lead to a 96 yard TD and then had ANOTHER game changing play when he intercepted a pass in the 4th quarter as the Bulls sealed and delivered Notre Dame a tough loss. I'm expecting a breakout year from this kid.

thule
09-09-2011, 10:53 AM
Interesting to see you looking at Kuechly. Aren't you the one saying we need more beef in the middle...more of a thumper? His main knock is his size at 6-2 235...

thule
09-09-2011, 10:54 AM
MOTH you have any thoughts on Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina? Think he fits our mold at corner.

thule
09-09-2011, 10:58 AM
Vontaze Burfict sure looks as advertised. If I'm going ILB I want this kid. 3 sacks and disruptive all game.

thule
09-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Not sure if I'm sold on Guy yet either. He's excelled when he's moved close to the LOS. He is a playing that lb/s tweener that is so popular in college. Found a couple of blurbs on him. I'll need to see him have that same type ability against some real competition for him to be a blip on my radar. But if he keeps it up you still have to ask the question can he have that same type of production in the NFL where the scheme isn't always gonna be tailored for all his strengths? If moving him closer to the LOS is what makes him tick..I just worry that he must have something wrong that made his head coach change his role. TBD i guess

In his first game as a hybrid linebacker/safety in new UK co-defensive coordinator Rick Minter's 3-4 scheme, Guy was all over LP Field. The 6-foot-1, 216-pound senior had 10 tackles, 2.5 of them for loss, and picked off two Hilltoppers passes.

More importantly, Guy thrived in his first game playing the vital role of disrupter in Minter's new system. Where Guy was purely a strong safety in the 4-3 scheme UK employed a year ago, this season he will be asked to play more often near the line of scrimmage as a linebacker.
For a player who tested the NFL Draft waters after last season and who very much aspires to be playing on Sundays, Guy was less than thrilled initially when Minter pitched him on his new role.
"I talked with (Guy) when they first made the move, and I think he was a little confused," Lexington Catholic Coach Bill Letton says of his former star. "I think it was changing the label as much as anything that bothered him. 'Am I a safety or a linebacker?' We tried to come at it with him from the point, (the NFL) is looking for guys who make plays. (Minter) is trying to put you in position to make a whole bunch of plays."

Read more: http://www.kentucky.com/2011/09/06/1870674/uks-winston-guy-blossoming-in.html#ixzz1XTPIlA2A

thule
09-09-2011, 11:39 AM
McClellin might be a guy to look at in the mid rounds if Spencer doesn't justify a new contract after this year. He reminded me of woodley coming off the edge last week. Another guy who has do turn in and do it every week for me to buy tho.

Shea McClellin, DE-OLB, Boise State -- During the Broncos' statement win over Georgia, McClellin was an unstoppable force, leading Boise State in all tackling categories. The senior finished with 7 tackles, 2.5 tackles for loss and another 2.5 sacks against what is a talented Georgia line. McClellin has the size to line up as a one-gap defensive end, but also possesses the skills necessary to be considered as an outside linebacker in the 3-4 alignment. His intensity is infectious and his ability to routinely make plays behind the line of scrimmage will surely push McClellin into the middle rounds.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/09/05/week.1.risers/index.html#ixzz1XTSNcThy


Didn't see him play but Sualsberry sounds like a Garrett type of OL. We have some good youth on the interior but who's to say we don't need more competition and flexibility. Playing 4 positions and being able to move has to put him higher than some others that teams may rank better overall interior OL. Guy to keep your ear out for.

Quentin Saulsberry, OL, Mississippi State -- Saulsberry made the seamless transition to center in the Bulldogs' season-opening win after starting at both guard spots the prior two seasons. He looked powerful, dominant and very quick, commanding an offensive line that totaled more than 300 yards rushing against Memphis. The versatile lineman is not just a small-area blocker, as he moves very well on his feet and displayed terrific skills blocking in motion. The ability to play four positions on the offensive line (he was a freshman starter at right tackle), coupled with his blocking prowess, will result in a rise up draft boards for Saulsberry.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/09/05/week.1.risers/index.html#ixzz1XTSnjuf1

Another name I've seen pop up a couple of times.
Sleeper: Jonathan Massaquoi, Troy State* -- Massaquoi hails from the same school as DeMarcus Ware and possesses a similar game. Primarily coming out of a three-point stance, he displays great speed and athleticism rushing the passer or pursuing the action. He has all the innate skills to be a top 3-4 linebacker at the next level, just like Ware.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/09/01/defensive.prospects/index.html#ixzz1XTUJZ7jx

I usually don't go for players with character concerns...but if you have a shot at this kid in the 2nd half of the first round you'd have to think pretty hard about it. The fight sounds to me like a kid who needs some growing up..but the marijuana charges aren't a big turn off to me. Something the FO would have to clear up...we have no way to tell if that will be a problem in the NFL or not. Could be a couple runs of bad luck. But I think this might be a case where the talent trumps the concerns. Buyer beware and do your research. Could have your next corner for 10 years or your next pacman.

Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama -- Most teams rank Jenkins as the nation's best cornerback prospect, yet injuries and off-field concerns push him down this list. At the top of his game, Jenkins is a polished shutdown corner. But the shoulder injury that prevented him from entering last April's draft and those character issues, which forced him to transfer from Florida, will be closely inspected as we move toward the 2012 draft.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/09/01/defensive.prospects/index.html#ixzz1XTUltwhk

D-Unit
09-09-2011, 12:57 PM
Interesting to see you looking at Kuechly. Aren't you the one saying we need more beef in the middle...more of a thumper? His main knock is his size at 6-2 235...
Yeah, and I'm also the one who has always preached that weight gain/strength is the easiest thing a player can change. His intangibles are off the charts.

M.O.T.H.
09-09-2011, 02:27 PM
MOTH you have any thoughts on Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina? Think he fits our mold at corner.

I've thought about the possibility of this, myself. I love the guy, but I do think he's a little overrated at this point. I agree with Scott, when he said that he may not be 1st round worthy. He'll go within the first two rounds, though. He has a very impressive physical skill set, but he's still inconsistent. He had an exceptional Freshman season, followed by an at times, ugly Sophomore season. And he had an up and down opening game to this season. Any time he had to cover ECU's Lance Lewis, he was losing every battle. That said, he has legitimate shut down potential, given that outstanding skill set. His Freshman campaign, was one of the best seasons for a Frosh cornerback in sometime, he was simply outstanding. And really, that's the reason people are still so high on him, despite his let down Sophomore season. He can benefit greatly from a good year of focused strength training. He can be a little overmatched against the larger receiver, right now. He's also been suceptible to burnings, too. He'll take some chances. He actually reminds me a lot of Mike Jenkins sometimes. The guy is just an incredibly athlete, who needs some technique refining and he can be something real special.

D-Unit
09-09-2011, 04:31 PM
Vontaze Burfict sure looks as advertised. If I'm going ILB I want this kid. 3 sacks and disruptive all game.
He is by far the best ILB prospect in college and solidly in my Top 3 on my Cowboys wishlist. I may have put Luke in my Fab 5 after week 1, but that's not a rankings list for me. Just outstanding performances by some players at positions I think we should target. I didn't know Burfict had a 3 sack game. Wow. Amazing player.

TheFinisher
09-13-2011, 08:36 AM
So I know a guy that knows a guy, and he's pretty convinced we're looking at QB early. Not necessarily 1st Round, but probably 2nd or 3rd. Tannehill, Griffin, and Lindley are the 3 our scouting department love ATM.

And with the rumors about how Garrett loved Dalton last year and wanted him in round 2, this doesn't surprise me that much.

D-Unit
09-13-2011, 02:00 PM
So I know a guy that knows a guy, and he's pretty convinced we're looking at QB early. Not necessarily 1st Round, but probably 2nd or 3rd. Tannehill, Griffin, and Lindley are the 3 our scouting department love ATM.

And with the rumors about how Garrett loved Dalton last year and wanted him in round 2, this doesn't surprise me that much.
I'm down with taking a QB because I have no faith in McGee. Not sure I want to spend a 1st rounder on one either, so I like those names. Though the way QBs go in the draft, any or all of them could end up going in the 1st.

thule
09-13-2011, 03:47 PM
Anytime you have a new head coach I think it's reasonable to buy into the hype of him wanting to bring in his guy. Romo is a good QB..but maybe Garrett wants someone who is less of a gunslinger and more of a game manager. I don't think Garrett has a lot of concerns with Romo as his starting QB...but if value is there on the board in the 2nd or 3rd...much like Mallett fell and was picked up by NE...I could see something similar happening. The wildcard of course is Garretts overall feel on McGee. I think he's shown him some things...but I wouldn't say he's shown enough not to justify some competition for the backup spot. Kitna is in the last year of his 2 year deal I believe. That would mean there is a roster spot that could be up for grabs. If QB value is good I wouldn't be surprised to see us go QB at all after the 1st round. Backup QB's that are drafted and developed by teams with good history of developing QB's always seem to get good return on their product even if they don't ever really use him.

Macarthur
09-13-2011, 04:10 PM
Yeah, it seems reasonable that we need to look at QB.

Just a quick look shows some really big kids with good arms and high completion %.

D-Unit
09-13-2011, 09:31 PM
Week 1
CB Shaun Prater, Iowa - 5'10, 185
FS John Boyett, Oregon - 5'10 202
SS Winston Guy, Kentucky - 6'1, 216
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
FS Jerrell Young, USF - 6'1, 209


The Fab 5 - Week 2


DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0910/ncf_a_melviningram_cmg_600.jpg

For those of you who wanted us to draft Robert Quinn, meet Melvin Ingram. He probably won't be ranked as high on draft day, but he had a beast of a game and showed off his amazing athleticism. Had 2 Touchdowns, but the best was off a fake punt. ESPN said it best.. "All you really need to know about this game is that one of South Carolina’s three non-offensive touchdowns came on a fake punt from its own 32 ... with a 276-yard defensive lineman rambling 68 yards for a touchdown and shaking Georgia’s All-SEC cornerback, Brandon Boykin, on his way to the end zone."


SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Antonio+Allen+East+Carolina+v+South+Carolina+9U19h pk2f4Xl.jpg

2 Gamecocks make the Fab 5 this week. Somewhere MOTH is smiling. :) Allen who is #8 on Scott's Safety rankings had a tremendous showing last week with 16 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, 2 fumble recoveries and 2 pass breakups and followed that up on Saturday against Georgia with 6 tackles, 1 tackle for loss, and an INT for 25 yards. Playmaker!

Aaron Murray did carve them up pretty good though, so it should be considered.

MOTH, tell me about this Spur position that he plays. Hybrid LB/S... How do you think that will benefit him or hurt him in the pros?


FS Mark Barron, Alabama - 6'2 218

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/LSU+v+Alabama+aJxZWvWhLeFl.jpg

Had an oustanding game against Penn St, finishing with 7 tackles, an Interception and a Fumble Recovery, on his way to earning SEC Defensive Player of the week. Looks like the bubble 2nd round value on him could be on the rise. Though I'd still rather nab him in the 2nd.


CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dre+Kirkpatrick+Alabama+v+Penn+State+4wb8aOqsSuPl. jpg

Can't give Barron all the love. Kirkpatrick played a great game too... causing 2 forced fumbles and adding a pass breakup (giving him 4 on the year, tied for 3rd in all of college football - albeit, the season is still early). That said, the Bama secondary is 3rd in pass effeciency defense of all teams, so they are doing something right. I think Dre is the type of corner that Rob Ryan would love. Physicality, Swag... can Blitz and make plays in coverage.


CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/files/2010/11/os-janoris-jenkins-return.jpg

A 87 yard punt return for TD for the dazzling yet troubled cornerback. After watching Dez get banged up again, we need to find more options, and if those options can be found at a position like Corner where we could use a big infusion of talent, then that's a bonus.

M.O.T.H.
09-14-2011, 07:00 AM
Well...Melvin Ingram is a special talent. You can line him up anywhere, he's def. a Ryan kind of guy. His base position in our defense would be 34 OLB, but he's very versatile. He's pretty much the new Eric Norwood at SCAR. Guy is relentless and he's our leader out there. He had 9 sacks as a rotational player a season ago. He's a fantastic pass rusher, one of the best in the SEC and while, our team struggles against the rush, he's pretty stout here. As you saw last week, he's a playmaker. Even I was surprised by his athleticism on that fake punt, and I've been one of his biggest fans. A former RB, dude is just an impressive athlete. Could be a quick rise in the draft, but at the same time, his size may hurt his stock. Not the easiest player to project in the draft, right now. Size wise, he's in between a couple of positions. It's still more likely that he ends up in a 43 front, however. But yeah, he's just a player, I'd welcome him in Dallas for sure.

Antonio Allen...I'm excited at his start. But I find it hard to drink the koolaid at this point. Guy was a burn victim last year, he didnt have a great year in coverage. He got much better as the year went on, but too many times it looked like he was running in mud, trailing his man. That said, he's been flashing that playmaking ability for years...the guy makes a lot plays behind the line of scrimmage. I'm not sure of the exact number, but he finished second on the team in tackles for loss last year and forced a couple of fumbles. He's great, when he's lined up close to the line of scrimmage, he's very tough in the running game and a good blitzer. He was a pretty big name recruit, so I've expected more from him, but it looks like he's getting it now.

And yes, the spur position is essentially a LB/S hybrid. He's pretty much an extra LB out there, it suits him well, because he's a very good tackler and can struggle in coverage. The Spur is a playmaking position, and that's what he can do. His position is a very flexible one, and his assignments really play off of how the offense lines up. He also plays dime LB. He's not a huge guy, he looks bigger than he is, but he plays big. As a pro prospect, you absolutely love his playmaking ability and again, fantastic in run support. But I wouldnt trust his coverage ability much at all in this point. He's lighter, but he may make for a great in the box safety. He's not Polamalu or Sanders, but you may be able to use him in a similar role.

D-Unit
09-14-2011, 01:32 PM
Good stuff Moth. What do you think of Gillmore so far this season? I've seen reports of him struggling, but I saw some good things of him last Saturday.

M.O.T.H.
09-14-2011, 05:49 PM
Sporadic...better this week than last, though. As a Freshman, he just looked so complete. But now, I'd call him more "toolsy". He's got everything you look for athletically, he can just use some good coaching. He's a 1st rounder on talent alone...but the fact that he's been so sporadic could knock him into the 2nd.

I used to think of him as a 1st round lock. But his play has dropped off a bit over the years.

thule
09-21-2011, 02:03 PM
DeCastro is a guy who I think Garrett may covet on draft day.

David DeCastro, G, Stanford* -- The Cardinal junior is considered one of the top guard prospects in the nation, and his play against Arizona proved why. DeCastro is a large, dominant blocker who plays with a nasty disposition. He moves defenders off the line and works to drive them into the field. DeCastro is a tremendous run blocker who also effectively protects quarterback Andrew Luck.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/09/19/risers.week.3/index.html#ixzz1YcCYu200

TheFinisher
09-21-2011, 02:13 PM
DeCastro is a guy who I think Garrett may covet on draft day.

Yea I'm a big DeCastro fan, we'll have to see how our young guys along the interior progress this year. If they continue to get stoned in the run game we may have to spend another premier pick on the OL. But DeCastro has "right kind of guy" written all over him.

D-Unit
09-21-2011, 03:26 PM
DeCastro is a guy who I think Garrett may covet on draft day.
Nice mention! I think he would be worth a 2nd rounder to us if he declared. But he might not declare unless he thought he was going in Round 1. We sure could use the help though.

But if the team thinks he's not NFL ready, then we should pass and get someone in FA who can play now. We already have developmental guys. We need starters. This offense won't realize it's full potential until that OL is dominant.

thule
09-21-2011, 03:32 PM
I have no inside information about Stanford underclassmen...but I'd be hard pressed to think anyone draft eligible who has top 2 round potential would stay another year if Luck decides to go.

TheFinisher
09-21-2011, 03:54 PM
Guard or not DeCastro looks like a lock for the 1st Round IMO, you can argue he's the best lineman in this class.

I'm more interested in this Corner class, it's pretty deep at the top and shouldn't be much drop off if you wanted to nab a guy in round 2.

D-Unit
09-21-2011, 07:34 PM
Guard or not DeCastro looks like a lock for the 1st Round IMO, you can argue he's the best lineman in this class.

I'm more interested in this Corner class, it's pretty deep at the top and shouldn't be much drop off if you wanted to nab a guy in round 2.
That's true. Last year around this time, Brandon Harris was a Top 20 pick, some even had him Top 15. On draft day he was a 2nd rounder, despite finishing the season well and having a pretty good predraft experience.

I wonder how many teams would be considering CB as a first round need at this point.

TheFinisher
09-21-2011, 09:33 PM
That's true. Last year around this time, Brandon Harris was a Top 20 pick, some even had him Top 15. On draft day he was a 2nd rounder, despite finishing the season well and having a pretty good predraft experience.

I wonder how many teams would be considering CB as a first round need at this point.

Yea it was a head-scratcher on Harris' drop, it happens every year.

We also have to consider Safety early on, Elam and Sensy only have 1 year deals. It's going to be interesting to see how S,CB, and interior OL pan out for us this year. Jenkins still has #1 potential and seems to be on the verge of a bounce back season, his play has everything to do with how high we're willing to go with CB this year IMO.

D-Unit
09-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Week 1
CB Shaun Prater, Iowa - 5'10, 185
FS John Boyett, Oregon - 5'10 202
SS Winston Guy, Kentucky - 6'1, 216
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
FS Jerrell Young, USF - 6'1, 209

Week 2
DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Mark Barron, Alabama - 6'2 218
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182


The Fab 5 - Week 3


ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1108/cfb-preview-all-acc-team/images/luke-kuechly.jpg

Making a 2nd appearance on the Fab 5 report is BC's stud LB, Luke Kuechly. Racking up 23 tackles in 1 game on your way to ACC Linebacker of the Week, will do that. Last year's NCAA leader in tackles looks to be on his way to duplicating that title. While BC lost a close one 20-19 at the hands of the Duke Blue Devils, it was no fault of Kuechly. We've been talking about how Sean Lee's smarts have helped him blossom this year. Kuechly is another highly intelligent football player with an intense work ethic. ***ducks head at throwing tomatos from Bruce Carter fans*** ;)


SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/49/fullj.fcda6ce578c5f3ced6e443f9bf376ac3/fcda6ce578c5f3ced6e443f9bf376ac3-getty-125478499.jpg

Not to be outdone by Kuechly, Allen makes an appearance for the second week in a row on this Fab 5 list! He led Gamecocks with 10 total tackles (eight solos), a forced fumble and an interception against Navy on his way to receiving Week 3 Oustanding SEC performance recognition. The playmaking ability of Allen must certainly be catching the eyes of scouts. Not sure where he projects.


FS Javon Harris, Oklahoma - 5'11, 207

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20110918/all/l5456311.jpg

Harris (a junior) won the Jim Thorpe Defensive Back of the Week award for his outstanding performance against FSU. He had 3 solo tackles, 1 PBU and 2 INTs that lead to points on the board for OU extending their lead to 10 each time. The OU defense is MEAN and they battled a tough Seminole squad that didn't quit. Harris is one to keep an eye on for sure.


OG Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech - 6'3", 300

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-bs8SjEXXpSA/Sr-GeEn3_1I/AAAAAAAAN7o/L0PO2-BDQKA/x_CAP4181.jpg

Uzzi is the headliner of the Georgia Tech OL and last week they had a record breaking performance as the Jackets broke the NCAA record for rushing yards/attempt at 12.1. They had 604 rushing yards (ACC record) and 768 total. Completely dominated the LOS against Kansas in a 66-24 win. I have no idea where his draft stock is, but he won the ACC lineman of the week award after a dominating performance by his team, so I thought I'd make note. I'm intrigued to say the least.


OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2011/writers/andy_staples/08/31/non-traditional-heisman-candidates/barrett-jones-p1.jpg

Trent Richardson says Barrett Jones is the "nerd" on Alabama's offensive line, the studious guy who sits up front in class and raises his hand a lot.

Jones has used those brains to help him become the third-ranked Crimson Tide's all-purpose blocker. He has played four positions on the line in the first three games ó everywhere but right guard, where he started 25 games the past two seasons and was a preseason first-team All-Southeastern Conference pick.

"He's a smart guy. He's got a 4.0" GPA, said Richardson, Alabama's tailback and also a self-described nerd. "He's a big nerd. He knows what to do. That (helps) him a lot with just being smart in the game and being ahead of everybody."

Now THAT is what I like to hear about an offensive lineman.

Nice article: http://www.chron.com/sports/article/Bama-s-Barrett-Jones-becoming-all-purpose-blocker-2183032.php

D-Unit
09-22-2011, 04:16 PM
Foreseeable Needs (could always change)

Offense
OG - NFL Ready Rookie or FA, not a developmental prospect.
RB - Physical workhorse type
QB

Defense
CB - Wouldn't hurt to add 2
FS
SS

D-Unit
09-23-2011, 09:52 PM
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft 1
Draft Pick Range 15-25

Round 1 - OG Cordy Glenn, Georgia

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/1108/cfb-preview-all-sec-team/images/cordy-glenn.jpg

I really don't know what to make of Glenn right now. All I know is that he's ranked high by those in the know right now and is struggling at LT this year. His natural position is at Guard and that's where I'd project him for us. I'd like to see more of him at Guard if his struggles continue at tackle. Just so that we have fresh film to go off of. If we can get an NFL ready OG who can be a dominant player on our young OL and start from the get go, then all the rest of our peices on Offense would run smoothly and we could really enforce our will against even the toughest opponents.

Round 2 - QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor*

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Robert+Griffin+Oklahoma+v+Baylor+UzOaCDONY5jl.jpg

It's time to draft a QB to groom behind Tony Romo. Griffin continues to open my eyes with his combination of all world athleticism and real QB ability. Drafting him here in Round 2 is a good spot. It tells Romo that we can't just rely on him alone anymore, but there's not the pressure of a first round draft pick looming behind him. With proper grooming, the sky is the limit for Griffin. I've really been impressed with his arm on all levels. He's throws a tight clean spiral, has got a quick release, nice deep touch, power and accuracy throwing on the run, and he's always a threat to take off running.

Round 3 - CB Greg Reid, FSU*

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Greg+Reid+Florida+State+v+North+Carolina+State+Dfo CLKWzG9tl.jpg

Greg Reid is one of the most dynamic players in college football. Seemingly, always around the action Reid is a self made playmaker with his great instincts, football intelligence and speed. His size will keep him from being selected high in the draft, because most won't see him as a starting caliber cornerback, but Reid would be an amazing Nickel Corner with his excellent agility and speed. Plus, he has shown the ability to deliver big hits despite his frame. I just love his toughness. His kick returning is as good as you'll find in a player. On par with Desean Jackson.

Round 4 - RB Doug Martin, Boise St

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Doug+Martin+Boise+State+v+Virginia+Tech+5AuVSANC3y vl.jpg

The OL creating running lanes has been a problem so far this season, but it's not just them. Our RB stable is filled with players who are all alike. They are finesse backs who are most effective in open space outside the tackles rather than inside the tackles. Martin is a guy with thick driving legs that never say die, and he also has a 2nd gear to burn upfield once he gets past the pile. His game against Georgia this season sold me. After that I WANTED HIM ON THE BOYS. ...and I didn't even foresee RB as a need back then. He's a good pass blocker with his experience playing in Boise's high passing system, plus he has been used as a receiver out of the backfield quite a lot too. I think that their system is excellent for producing the kind of RB we look for.

Round 5 - WR Kendall Wright, Baylor

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Texas+v+Baylor+BcCwNgDi5qtl.jpg

Watching film of Robert Griffin, this guy Wright sticks out like an All-Pro. Dude has legit skills. Catches clean, difficult balls with ease. Uses his hands to catch. Not a basket catcher. Well built body and coordination, oozing with confidence and swag. We need WR depth and Wright is a guy who I would welcome with opened arms. He could raise his stock high where this projection would be out of reach, but for now he's within striking range here. Scott has him as his 16th ranked WR.




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A pretty heavy offensive draft, but I haven't fallen in love with any of the Safties in this class and I think our front 7 is pretty solid. There are some talented corners, so we'll see how things change throughout the season. Keeping an eye on Ta'amu as well.

TheFinisher
09-24-2011, 09:30 AM
Mock Version 1.0

Round 1- David Decastro OG Stanford

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1108/cfb-preview-all-pac-12-team/images/david-decastro.jpg

Dallas had to make an emergency signing early in the season with journeyman Derrick Dockery because the Guard position has not panned out like they hoped. David Arkin is still a project at this point and will need a few more years of off-season training before he is ready to contribute, while Bill Nagy garnered early hype but is far from a longterm solution. Decastro is very close to being an Elite Guard prospect and will be ready to step in from day 1 to help ignite the running game.

Round 2- Cliff Harris CB Oregon

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/cliff_harris.jpg

I have a gut feeling that Cliff Harris will be a Cowboy. Early on he was my first round pick but because of the suspension and his lack of ideal height, coupled with a deep Corner class at the top, Harris could very well fall to the 2nd round. He's an explosive kick returner with playmaking ability on defense, something we can use more of in our secondary.

Round 3- Devon Still DE Penn St.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/700101023018_Penn_State_v_Minnesota.jpg

This guy is quickly becoming one of my favorite prospects in this class, and may very well rise his stock to the point where we can only wish about getting him in the 3rd. Still was all over the place against Alabama in week 2 and has an impressive combination of size (6-5 311) and quickness for a big man. He reminds me a bit of our former Big Cat Leon Lett.

Round 4- Aaron Henry S Wisconsin

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/d/d2/c84/dd2c844f-1570-55cf-9f54-7f187c0f1011-revisions/4cdf22967c7ed.image.jpg

A converted Corner who has become a leader in Wisconsin's secondary. He has some legit playmaking ability and we need some young blood to develop at the Safety position.

Round 5- Jarrett Boykin

http://www.dailypress.com/media/photo/2010-09/56010087.jpg

Sorry Jess Holley, but I just don't think you'll ever be an NFL caliber receiver. Our lack of depth at the WR position has come to light this week as we get an idea of what life looks like without Miles and Dez. We need someone who can be a formidable option on the outside if one of them goes down in the future. Boykin is big and physical at 6-2 215 and my favorite mid round receiver prospect.

yanksknicks
09-24-2011, 04:38 PM
I like the TE on San Diego State FWIW.

D-Unit
09-24-2011, 07:01 PM
2 time Fab 5'er Antonio Allen almost had a touchdown! Picked up a fumble but got stripped as he ran to the endzone.

M.O.T.H.
09-24-2011, 07:03 PM
He was just in the right place...I knew he would fumble that, though.

Ingram scored the TD.

edit...there you go, D. Ingram with a sack and a tackle for loss on back to back plays. BEAST. :D

Trogdor
09-24-2011, 09:18 PM
Per Chris Steuber:

It doesn't come as a big surprise that the Cowboys are attending games that feature nation's no. 1 and no. 2 ranked free safeties in USC's T.J. McDonald and Oklahoma State's Markelle Martin.

Supposedly we had scouts at least these five games over the weekend:


Louisiana-Monroe at Iowa
No. 7 Oklahoma State at No. 8 Texas A&M
UCLA at Oregon State
No. 10 Oregon at Arizona
No. 23 USC at Arizona State


Sign me up for another Trojan to fill our biggest need.

D-Unit
09-25-2011, 08:57 PM
He was just in the right place...I knew he would fumble that, though.

Ingram scored the TD.

edit...there you go, D. Ingram with a sack and a tackle for loss on back to back plays. BEAST. :D
Ingram was all over the place. Batted passes, generating pressure...

What do you think of his fit with us and draft pick value?

thule
09-26-2011, 02:13 PM
I'll stay away from most Paul Johnson OL. They aren't very well practiced in pass pro and it's just a whole different egg. Even presnap they are taught to get their chests down and drive into the opposition. It's almost as if every lineman is in a 4 point stance. I'd just be worried drafting a guy like OG Omoregie Uzzi and thinking he'd be able to play for us right away. Does Paul Johnson even have a single OL in the pro's? The double wingback is so successful because it doesn't take the biggest or most talented guys to get it done...it's very assignment based and doing your job. I'd put this right up there with drafting a d3 player. They have their place...but their college tape pretty much gets thrown out of the window because the stuff you see on tape isn't relevant to the stuff they are going to need to do in the nfl.

D-Unit
09-26-2011, 02:56 PM
I'll stay away from most Paul Johnson OL. They aren't very well practiced in pass pro and it's just a whole different egg. Even presnap they are taught to get their chests down and drive into the opposition. It's almost as if every lineman is in a 4 point stance. I'd just be worried drafting a guy like OG Omoregie Uzzi and thinking he'd be able to play for us right away. Does Paul Johnson even have a single OL in the pro's? The double wingback is so successful because it doesn't take the biggest or most talented guys to get it done...it's very assignment based and doing your job. I'd put this right up there with drafting a d3 player. They have their place...but their college tape pretty much gets thrown out of the window because the stuff you see on tape isn't relevant to the stuff they are going to need to do in the nfl.
Sounds like sound advice. Uzzi is not a highly rated prospect. Maybe the 10th to 15th ranked Senior Guard. He piked my interest after I read about how much success they had running the ball and having our run blocking woes in consideration.

thule
09-26-2011, 03:14 PM
Sounds like sound advice. Uzzi is not a highly rated prospect. Maybe the 10th to 15th ranked Senior Guard. He piked my interest after I read about how much success they had running the ball and having our run blocking woes in consideration.

Just to add on to my point since we are talking about georgia tech.

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Look at the presnap sets. This is what I mean when I say a completely different egg.

D-Unit
09-26-2011, 03:25 PM
Just to add on to my point since we are talking about georgia tech.


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Look at the presnap sets. This is what I mean when I say a completely different egg.
Yeah, that's a pretty cool thing that you picked up on. I didn't realize the difference was so big. Paul Johnson is a pretty legendary coach, and I can see how he has so much success in running the ball with the way his OL drive off the snap. Pretty awesome. Almost like 2 defensive lines going at each other in attack mode.

As for Uzzi's play last Saturday...

Another ACC OL of the week award...

OFFENSIVE LINEMAN – Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech, OG, Jr., 6-3, 300, Lithonia, Ga.

Uzzi and the Yellow Jackets' offensive line helped Georgia Tech accumulate 312 rushing yards against a North Carolina defense that entered the game allowing just 77 yards rushing per offense. Tech did not allow a sack on Saturday en route to producing 496 yards of total offense. Uzzi had nearly 20 knockdowns on Saturday.

http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/29775/acc-announces-players-of-the-week-9

D-Unit
09-29-2011, 09:08 PM
Week 1
CB Shaun Prater, Iowa - 5'10, 185
FS John Boyett, Oregon - 5'10 202
SS Winston Guy, Kentucky - 6'1, 216
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
FS Jerrell Young, USF - 6'1, 209

Week 2
DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Mark Barron, Alabama - 6'2 218
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182

Week 3
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Javon Harris, Oklahoma - 5'11, 207
OG Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech - 6'3", 300
OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312

The Fab 5 - Week 4


QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor - 6'2, 220

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1011/cfb-heisman-watch-week-9/images/robert-griffin-iii.jpg

It's early in the season and Griffin is already cementing a spot as one of the 4 finalist of the Heisman Award. Last week he threw 5 TD passes and ran for another leading Baylor to a 56-31 win over Rice. He went 29 of 33 for 338 yards, bringing his season total to 13 touchdowns... and guess what? He only has 12 incompletions on the year. He came into the game leading the nation in passing efficiency and third in total yards. Griffin ran for 51 yards and even punted once, on a quick kick.


CB Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt - 5'11, 188

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/photo_images/3910218/60683_Elon_Vanderbilt_Football.jpg

The Vanderbilt defense gave Stephen Garcia fits this past weekend. Intercepting him 4 times. 2 of those INTs came at the hands of Casey Hayward. Giving him 12 INTs in his college career. It's a challenge for any CB to be matched up against Alshon Jeffery, so holding him to 2 catches for 34 yards and 0 TDs is a victory for Hayward even though his team lost.


FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia - 6'0, 218*

http://redandblack.com/media/stills/8267va32.jpg

WEEK 4 SEC OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE Award went to Georgia FS Bacarri Rambo. Bad boy is off to an outstanding season so far. Against Ole Miss, Rambo (gotta love the name) picked off 2 passes and also had 4 tackles and a pass deflection. Those 2 INTs give him 4 INTs in 4 games this season. Playmaker!

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/382686/bacarri-rambo


CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192

http://media.al.com/bamabeat/photo/dre-kirk-msu-ap-alcomjpg-92498e9623bd2fca_large.jpg

This guy is turning out to be more than just hype. Winning WEEK 4 SEC OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE by a CB, Kirkpatrick went to work finishing with six total tackles (all solos) with one for a loss (-3 yards) and three pass deflections against Arkansas. Listed at 6'2, 192 Dre has the size to match up against the tall talented WRs that seem to be infiltrating the NFL. I would love to scoop him up in Round 1 on draft day.


OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2011/writers/andy_staples/08/31/non-traditional-heisman-candidates/barrett-jones-p1.jpg

WEEK 4 SEC OFFENSIVE LINEMAN OF THE WEEK. Barrett is making a repeat performance on my Fab 5 list. I don't know if he'll keep playing this well all season long, so I'll give him the credit while he keeps earning it. Jones received the highest grade on the Alabama offensive line in the Crimson Tideís 38-14 win against Arkansas...He started at LT and then later in the game moved to RT. He has started all four games at LT, but has also played center and guard this season... His versatility is sick. Even as a Center he's probably an NFL caliber starter. With Costa's woes this past week and the uncertainty of our young OGs, Barrett Jones needs to be a Cowboys. Alabama is second in the SEC in rushing offense and total offense.

M.O.T.H.
09-29-2011, 09:12 PM
FYI, Stephen Garcia is throwing to the opposite team. lol. I used to be a Garcia supporter, but he has fallen off completely. I feel bad for Alshon...Alshon can beat anyone that opposes him, but he doesnt even have a chance right now.

D-Unit
09-29-2011, 09:30 PM
FYI, Stephen Garcia is throwing to the opposite team. lol. I used to be a Garcia supporter, but he has fallen off completely. I feel bad for Alshon...Alshon can beat anyone that opposes him, but he doesnt even have a chance right now.
You and others should do a weekly Fab 5 or something. It's fun. Plus, it'd be neat to look back and see the list of guys we went through during the season. Me just doing it by myself is not going to be as cool.

Macarthur
09-30-2011, 09:52 AM
I'd love to make that pair from Alabama our 1st and 2nd rounders! You think Jones will be around in the 2nd?

M.O.T.H.
10-01-2011, 04:58 PM
Ingram and Allen coming up big as always.

Ingram is killing it right now. 6 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 INT early in the 3rd quarter.

M.O.T.H.
10-03-2011, 01:23 AM
Ingram on your list again, D? lol

Look at the statline this week...

9 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks, an INT, a fumble recovery for a TD.

Insane. I've always been on board with potentially taking Ingram. But yeah, I'm def. seeing it being a much better fit than I even initially assumed. Rob Ryan likes our OLB to play DE in nickel packages, and Vic Butler even plays DT sometimes. I mean, Ingram would be the perfect player for him. Stand up at OLB on the early downs, and then just turn him loose at DE/DT in those nickel passing situations.

Spencer is doing a fine job this year...but if you want an OLB, this is the guy.

D-Unit
10-03-2011, 02:00 AM
Ingram on your list again, D? lol

Look at the statline this week...

9 tackles, 6 tackles for loss, 3.5 sacks, an INT, a fumble recovery for a TD.

Insane. I've always been on board with potentially taking Ingram. But yeah, I'm def. seeing it being a much better fit than I even initially assumed. Rob Ryan likes our OLB to play DE in nickel packages, and Vic Butler even plays DT sometimes. I mean, Ingram would be the perfect player for him. Stand up at OLB on the early downs, and then just turn him loose at DE/DT in those nickel passing situations.

Spencer is doing a fine job this year...but if you want an OLB, this is the guy.
Honestly... the way it's lookin'... Rob is gonna earn himself a HC job that he's always wanted. Dude even wore a suit after the game. He's not gonna be here long guys. I just hope he doesn't go to Philly when Reid gets fired. We stole him away from them this past offseason for the DC job, but if they give him the HC job, it's gonna suck.

D-Unit
10-04-2011, 05:58 PM
Week 1
CB Shaun Prater, Iowa - 5'10, 185
FS John Boyett, Oregon - 5'10 202
SS Winston Guy, Kentucky - 6'1, 216
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
FS Jerrell Young, USF - 6'1, 209

Week 2
DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Mark Barron, Alabama - 6'2 218
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182

Week 3
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Javon Harris, Oklahoma - 5'11, 207
OG Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech - 6'3", 300
OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312

Week 4
QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor - 6'2, 220*
CB Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt - 5'11, 188
FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia - 6'0, 218*
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192*
OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312*

The Fab 5 - Week 5


Matt Barkley, USC - 6'2, 220*

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Matt+Barkley+Syracuse+v+USC+ri49L_NX22Wl.jpg

WEEK 5 PAC-12 OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK: Matt Barkley broke 2 USC records in the 48-41 win over Arizona. He completed 82% of his passes (32-of-39) for a game record 468 yards with four touchdowns, while also running for a short score. His 470 yards of total offense was also a single-game record. Both records belonged to Heisman Trophy winner Carson Palmer. Currently, Barkley ranks fifth on USCís career lists for passing (579 completions) and total offense (7,063 yards).

With the way Romo is these days, trading up to get Barkley might make a lot of sense.


SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Antonio+Allen+Navy+v+South+Carolina+whxfuZzRDlkl.j pg

Another week, another outstanding performance by Antonio Allen, who's quickly becoming one of my favorites here in the Fab 5 report. He won the SEC OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE award for his game against Auburn where he finished with a game-high 13 total tackles, including nine solos, with three for losses, an interception and a quarterback pressure against Auburn. That's CRAZY production! We have a spot for you in Dallas Antonio!


FS TJ McDonald, USC - 6'2, 205*

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2011/writers/tony_pauline/10/03/week.5.risers/tj-mcdonald.jpg

The Trojans have a storied history of sending talented defensive backs into the NFL, and McDonald is next in line. Against Arizona he came away with a pair of drive-killing interceptions in the first quarter and broke up a third pass. McDonald also added six tackles to his tally. His cover skills are good enough that he can be relied upon to play over the slot receiver, and he displays a large degree of toughness against the run. McDonald is easily the most complete next-level secondary prospect from USC since Troy Polamalu.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tony_pauline/10/03/week.5.risers/index.html#ixzz1Zqx5rsKa


CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Janoris+Jenkins+South+Carolina+v+Florida+JRoM7mi_C pjl.jpg

GULF SOUTH SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE WEEK: North Alabama return specialist Janoris Jenkins (SR, 5-10, 183, Pahokee, FL)., earns his second honor of the season, rolling up 123 yards on three total returns in UNAís 42-14 road win over Southern Arkansas. The senior returned one kickoff for 13 yards and added 110 yards on two punt returns led by an 89-yard touchdown in the third quarter. His return gave the Lions their first lead of the contest, 21-14, with 10:29 left in the third quarter. Jenkinsí scoring return was also his second of the season and was also the second-longest in school history. The Pahokee, FL native did not stop there, blocking a SAU field goal attempt with 13 minutes left in the game.


DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Melvin+Ingram+Auburn+v+South+Carolina+JesnKlFT_ypl .jpg

WEEK 5 SEC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK: Ingram recorded 11 total tackles, including eight solo stops. He also had 4.5 tackles for loss (-21 yards), including a career-best three sacks (-20 yards). Ingram also collected an interception and two quarterback hurries against the Tigers. The Gamecock defense limited Auburn to just 3.9 yards per play in the contest and 18 points below their seasonís scoring average. Ingram is now the SECís leader in sacks (5.5) and tackles for loss (7.5) this season.

The only thing holding him back from me really loving him is that OLB isn't one of our bigger needs. But these kinds of performances force me to put him here. :D

D-Unit
10-05-2011, 07:37 PM
Since my Fab 5 report looked a little boring with a lot of the same guys... can't help it, they've been damn good.... I decided to do another kind of report...

The Radar 5. 5 guys who should be on our radar due our needs. There won't be any clear 1st rounders from Senior class on this list, but I may throw in some lower tier nitch players or some highly touted Juniors who may or may not declare. Just because I think we should get to know them even though they may not have a "Fab 5" type of week.

With no further adieu...

The Radar 5 - Week 5

RB Brandon Bolden, Ole Miss - 5'11, 221
Draft Projection: Round 5-7

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Bolden suffered a slight fracture against BYU, so he's missed a couple games, but he came back last week in limited action and still ran for 2 TDs. He's one of the bigger backs in this draft class so that's what piked my interest in him initially. Looks like he could be a nice compliment to our stable of finesse backs.


OG Brandon Washington, Miami - 6'4, 320*
Draft Projection: Round 2-4

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgpws5XpmO1qd3dzlo1_500.jpg

OGs hardly get a lot of hype as prospects but I think his name deserves mention since we have a need there. He's only a junior but I think that there's a possibility he comes out because the senior crop of OGs is kind of weak. Plus, we know these Miaimi guys only have 1 thing on their mind and it's all about getting to the league. Washington has tremendous power, ideal size and is starting to get versatility as Miami started playing him at RT and LT this year.


C Peter Konz, Wisconsin - 6'5, 315*
Draft Projection: Round 1-3

http://badgerherald.com/rsc/scripts/t/t.php/q=88%3B590x1000%3B/sports/2010/09/08/FB66_SG.jpg

With Jason Garrett's close ties to Wisconsin OC, Paul Chryst (who I would love to have as our own OC), I think Konz has to be on our radar if Costa doesn't pan out. Garrett probably got the inside track on Nagy from Chryst, so if Konz declares, we could find ourselves shopping for this guy who is considered by some the best OC prospect in college football.


CB Desmond Trufant, Washington - 6'0, 185*
Draft Projection: Round 2-4

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Desmond+Trufant+California+v+Washington+HLz2uYczCn ll.jpg

Trufant is quietly leading the NCAA in passed defended at 10 (by himself - no ties) while also collecting 2 interceptions. In watching some of the UW/Utah game, Trufant immediately jumped out as an impact player for the Huskies defense who was very stingy against the Utes offense. Here's a guy who I think may not get the hype of some others but could very well end up being one of the most steady and consistent pros. ...granted he declares. Ok ok.. no more Junior prospects.


OG Lucas Nix, Pittsburgh - 6'5, 310
Draft Projection: Round 2

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Lucas+Nix+Cincinnati+v+Pittsburgh+I6UjNR_XwIol.jpg

Nix got banged up last Saturday and there was some concern that he might miss a lot of time this season, but apparently his injury is not as bad as initially feared. It would've been too bad for the Senior Guard who looks like one of the better Guard prospects available. Pitt is known to send tough gritty OL to the NFL, and I remember Parcells speaking very highly of their OL coach. Nix is a guy to keep an eye on.

TheFinisher
10-06-2011, 09:02 AM
Devon Still is my guy, I've watched PSU and him specifically each week and he's just a stud up front. So quick off the snap, great hand usage, powerful... he just looks like the total package. They're playing Iowa this weekend, and even though he played great against Bama, I'd like to see him do it against another good OLine. It'll be a good matchup.

I'd love to get him in the 2nd, but if he keeps up his current pace he could easily go in the 1st. Big men who can move like that don't stick around long on draft day.

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D-Unit
10-06-2011, 01:56 PM
Devon Still is my guy, I've watched PSU and him specifically each week and he's just a stud up front. So quick off the snap, great hand usage, powerful... he just looks like the total package. They're playing Iowa this weekend, and even though he played great against Bama, I'd like to see him do it against another good OLine. It'll be a good matchup.

I'd love to get him in the 2nd, but if he keeps up his current pace he could easily go in the 1st. Big men who can move like that don't stick around long on draft day.

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I know each player is different, but Penn State DL like Florida WR make me think twice and be extra careful.

TheFinisher
10-07-2011, 09:51 AM
QB James Vandenberg, Iowa JR
6-3 212

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Named Big 10 Player of the week after he led Iowa to an impressive 4th Quarter comeback over Pitt. Iowa was down 24-3 with 3:11 left in the 3rd, Vandenberg got hot and threw for 3 TDs in the 4th.

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If don't know if he's gonna come out this year or next, but he's definitely someone to keep an eye on. He's got some wheels too.

TheFinisher
10-07-2011, 09:59 AM
I know each player is different, but Penn State DL like Florida WR make me think twice and be extra careful.

I'm not one to downgrade a player just because his school has produced some busts in the past. Tamba Hali has turned into a pretty darn good player in the pros and the jury is still out on Jared Odrick. If there was something you wanted to be cautious about with Still it would be the injuries IMO.

Macarthur
10-07-2011, 10:51 AM
I think our priorites in next draft need to be DL, CB/DB and interior OL.

Trogdor
10-07-2011, 11:11 AM
I'm not one to downgrade a player just because his school has produced some busts in the past. Tamba Hali has turned into a pretty darn good player in the pros and the jury is still out on Jared Odrick. If there was something you wanted to be cautious about with Still it would be the injuries IMO.

We. Are. Penn. State.

Hahaha the other major thing with Still is the fact he plays off balance. So he dominants one play and the next he's on the ground. Intrigued but I'm not sure I bite early with him.

D-Unit
10-07-2011, 03:36 PM
I'm not one to downgrade a player just because his school has produced some busts in the past. Tamba Hali has turned into a pretty darn good player in the pros and the jury is still out on Jared Odrick. If there was something you wanted to be cautious about with Still it would be the injuries IMO.
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I can't say that I'm all that impressed just yet. He seems to have the measurables and looks strong as an ox, but he seems to get easily taken out of plays and is often a step too slow. Lacks of explosion. I see some reasons to be cautious about him, but maybe his measurables will get him Round 1 consideration.

I haven't been checking out too many DL yet. Especially high profile prospects. Between giving Spears that ugly contract, the emergence of Hatcher, the steady play of Coleman and Liss seemingly doing ok so far (verdict still out, imo)...and our other stressing needs, I just don't see us using anything higher than a Round 4 pick on a DL.

I'd like to see you guys come up with some of your own trackers like I do. Doesn't have to be like mine, but anything to track the interest of the players you like. It's good to enlighten each other, I think. You've been doing a good job Finisher, but I think we can get more out of the posters we have here.

D-Unit
10-07-2011, 03:42 PM
I think our priorites in next draft need to be DL, CB/DB and interior OL.
I'd put it like this...

Must haves: OG, CB, S

Want to haves: QB, OLB (if we don't resign Spencer), NT

Like to haves: Punishing RB, TE (Bennett replacement), OC

Macarthur
10-07-2011, 04:10 PM
I'd put it like this...

Must haves: OG, CB, S

Want to haves: QB, OLB (if we don't resign Spencer), NT

Like to haves: Punishing RB, TE (Bennett replacement), OC

I agree with your priorities here.

I noticed on a 2012 FA list that M. Griffin is free next off season. My guess is that we try to lock up one of Elam or Sensy for another year or two and probably draft someone, but wonder what you guys think if we could land Griffin and say extend Sensy?

That would free us up to go CB with our first pick, say Dennard or Gilmore.

Our DBs would be Scandrick, Jenkins, Rookie above, Sensy & Griffin...

D-Unit
10-07-2011, 04:27 PM
I agree with your priorities here.

I noticed on a 2012 FA list that M. Griffin is free next off season. My guess is that we try to lock up one of Elam or Sensy for another year or two and probably draft someone, but wonder what you guys think if we could land Griffin and say extend Sensy?

That would free us up to go CB with our first pick, say Dennard or Gilmore.

Our DBs would be Scandrick, Jenkins, Rookie above, Sensy & Griffin...
I saw that Griffin was available too and YES, I'd be all for him. I wonder if Laron Landry ever hits FA? lol. Dreamin'...

Ben Grubbs and Carl Nicks are 2 OGs that could hit FA. I don't think they'd be franchised if their teams are forced to use the tag on Ray Rice and Drew Brees. That would be ideal for us to land a top NFL ready OG.

TheFinisher
10-07-2011, 07:04 PM
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I can't say that I'm all that impressed just yet. He seems to have the measurables and looks strong as an ox, but he seems to get easily taken out of plays and is often a step too slow. Lacks of explosion. I see some reasons to be cautious about him, but maybe his measurables will get him Round 1 consideration.



FWIW that vid is from last season and he's a much improved player this year.

Russ Lande on Still a few days ago:

Draft risers

Devon Still (6-5, 310), senior, DT, Penn State

Coming into the season, Still was thought to be a player who did not produce up to his talent level. So far in 2011, he has become a consistently productive defender. One reason why is an improved ability to use his hands to defeat blocks.

Against FCS teams Indiana, Temple and Alabama, Still displayed the ability to get into the backfield quickly and disrupt plays. Even though Alabamaís Trent Richardson ran through Penn State's defense for 111 yards, Still generally did his job well.

Still has convinced many scouts that he not only has the athleticism to thrive in a 4-3 scheme, but he can also be an anchor-type end in a 3-4. If Still continues to play at this level, we believe he would shine at the Senior Bowl and move up many draft boards. PROJECTED: Second round.



Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-10-04/penn-states-still-inching-closer-to-first-round-consideration#ixzz1a8xR7YMN

This has been the general consensus on him so far this season. He jumps out at you week in and week out, already has 8 TFLs on the year. I'd definitely recommend catching him against Iowa this weekend.

D-Unit
10-07-2011, 07:35 PM
2nd round would be the highest we could afford to draft a DE and even then, that's really too expensive for us.

He's sounding like a 1st round guy... But would he come out if he had a 2nd round projection?

If our front 7 keeps playing like they have been, there's no need to draft a DE in the first 3 rounds. Hatcher finally looks the part. Coleman is solid. Spears just got an extension (even though I hate that). Lissemore is developing ok. I don't see Still being a realistic get for us.

Now NT is different. That could be...

Just my opinion.

Paul
10-08-2011, 07:08 PM
So this Casey Hayward guy.

D-Unit
10-08-2011, 08:19 PM
So this Casey Hayward guy.
What'd he do today?

Paul
10-08-2011, 08:24 PM
What'd he do today?

Nothing spectacular, he looked very solid today. Play's pretty physical which I liked. I just remember you mentioning him in one of you FAB post.

D-Unit
10-08-2011, 08:31 PM
Nothing spectacular, he looked very solid today. Play's pretty physical which I liked. I just remember you mentioning him in one of you FAB post.
Ah. I don't really know much about him other than he stuck out to me when I watched him play against SoCarolina. Maybe he's a guy we need to follow more.

CDCB14
10-08-2011, 11:15 PM
Don't forget about ILB. Both Keith and Bradie are probably gone after this year with both of their contracts being up, and while I hope Carter and Lee form a great duo for the next 5+ years, we have nothing behind them.

Orie Lemon is on the practice squad and he showed something in pre-season, but we need more than that.

A 3rd to 5th rounder should be spent on an ILB.

TheFinisher
10-13-2011, 05:29 PM
Devon Still had another big game last week against Iowa. 6 Tackles, 2 TFLs and a key sack at the end of the game. He's also demanding a ton of attention from offenses, getting doubled and freeing up other guys in the front 7 to make plays.

pocketaces
10-13-2011, 07:13 PM
A guy that is having a really good season for OU is Frank alexander DE. Against Texas he had 6 tackles, 4 tackles for loss, 3 sacks, a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery. listed at 6-4 255, in 5 games he has 7.5 TFL. 5.5 sacks, a forced fumble, a pick, and 3 PBU...

D-Unit
10-19-2011, 07:16 PM
Week 1
CB Shaun Prater, Iowa - 5'10, 185
FS John Boyett, Oregon - 5'10 202
SS Winston Guy, Kentucky - 6'1, 216
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
FS Jerrell Young, USF - 6'1, 209

Week 2
DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Mark Barron, Alabama - 6'2 218
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182

Week 3
ILB Luke Kuechly, Boston College - 6'2, 237
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS Javon Harris, Oklahoma - 5'11, 207
OG Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech - 6'3", 300
OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312

Week 4
QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor - 6'2, 220*
CB Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt - 5'11, 188
FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia - 6'0, 218*
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama - 6'2, 192*
OG Barrett Jones, Alabama - 6'4 312*

Week 5
Matt Barkley, USC - 6'2, 220*
SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina - 6'2, 201
FS TJ McDonald, USC - 6'2, 205*
CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama - 5'10, 182
DE Melvin Ingram, South Carolina - 6'2, 276

Week 6
Too busy to do.

The Fab 5 - Week 7

RB Trent Richardson, Alabama, 5-11, 244*

http://nflsoup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Trent-Richardson-2011.jpg

Winner of the SEC OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK Award. Richardson makes the Fab 5 list for the first time with his career-high 183 yards on just 17 carries and career-high 4 TD game against Mississippi. He also added 2 catches for 30 yards. Richardson has now tied a school-record and leads the nation with 6 straight 100-yard rushing games. Now ranks 10th all-time at Alabama with 2,363 career rushing yards. Leads the SEC and ranks 4th in the nation with 130.3 rushing yards per game and 3rd in the nation in scoring with a whopping16 total touchdowns.


DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi St - 6'4, 295*

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Winner of the SEC DEFENSIVE LINEMAN OF THE WEEK for the 2nd week in a row! Fletcher Cox posted a career-best 4 TFLs and a pair of sacks in Mississippi State's 14-12 loss to South Carolina. He was credited with 6 total tackles, second most in his career behind only the previous weekend's 7 total stops (vs. UAB). Cox led a defensive front that held USC to a season-low 110 yards on 43 rushing attempts and the SEC's leading rusher Marcus Lattimore to 39 yards on 17 attempts. The previous week, when Cox won this same award, he posted 7 total tackles, including 5 solo stops, in Mississippi Stateís 21-3 victory over UAB. He was a presence in the UAB offensive backfield for most of the game, credited with 5 quarterback pressures. Cox leads a defensive front that has not allowed a touchdown in its last six quarters - a total of 20 opponent possessions. - SEC football


CB Morris Claiborne, LSU, 6'0, 185*

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Morris+Claiborne+LSU+v+Mississippi+State+k2dNehcgx JRl.jpg

Claiborne returned an interception 89 yards and also had 2 pass deflections and 2 tackles against Tennessee. Claiborne has risen his stock sky high this season with his excellent play thus far. I heard Kiper on the radio yesterday raving about him being the best corner in the nation. I bet you can just imagine his voice praising Claiborne. lol. Honestly, he could be long gone by the time we pick, so don't get your hopes up too much.


FS Bacarri Rambo, Georgia - 6'0, 218*

http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/files/2011/09/RamboSaye.jpg

Making a 2nd Fab 5 appearance! Rambo had a team-high 8 total tackles (4 solos) with an interception and two pass deflections against Vanderbilt. He was all over the place! This Bulldog is proving to be quite the playmaker and ballhawk. If things continue, I expect his draft stock to rise and in turn see him declare for the draft as a Junior.


OG Chance Warmack, Alabama - 6'3, 320*

http://media.al.com/birmingham-news/photo/9964748-standard.jpg

I've given a lot of love to Warmack's teammate Barrett Jones, but Warmack is no slouch himself. Winner of the SEC OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE Award went to Warmack who had the top grade on the Alabama offensive line with no penalties, no pressures, no missed assignments and no sacks with five pancake blocks against Ole Miss.

Macarthur
10-20-2011, 10:09 AM
Good stuff. Gotta love the SEC.

thule
10-20-2011, 07:12 PM
A guy who is on my radar is
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Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin*: Rarely does an underclassmen center deserve mentioning this early on a Big Board, but Konz is special. His size and strength inside and fluidity when blocking at the second level could allow him to join the Pouncey twins, Alex Mack (Cleveland Browns) and Eric Wood (Buffalo Bills) as the fifth center drafted in the first round over the past four drafts.

Garrett has a direct pipeline into wisconsin in Paul Chryst. This is a big need position and if we make the playoffs should be a 15-25 pick if he declares. OL rarely leave wisconsin early tho...so might be me dreaming a year early...wouldn't be the first time.

thule
10-20-2011, 07:19 PM
Two other great reads on guys I'm a fan of.
Vinny Curry
http://www.irontontribune.com/2011/10/19/herd%E2%80%99s-curry-worth-price-of-admission-3/

Melvin Ingram
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/10/4/2469297/play-by-play-of-melvin-ingrams-dominance-against-auburn

D-Unit
10-20-2011, 07:42 PM
A guy who is on my radar is
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Garrett has a direct pipeline into wisconsin in Paul Chryst. This is a big need position and if we make the playoffs should be a 15-25 pick if he declares. OL rarely leave wisconsin early tho...so might be me dreaming a year early...wouldn't be the first time.
Yeah, that thought crossed my mind. But even so, a part of me just doesn't like the thought of a 1st round C even though I do think that he's head and shoulders above his competition.

D-Unit
10-20-2011, 07:43 PM
Two other great reads on guys I'm a fan of.
Vinny Curry
http://www.irontontribune.com/2011/10/19/herd%E2%80%99s-curry-worth-price-of-admission-3/

Melvin Ingram
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/10/4/2469297/play-by-play-of-melvin-ingrams-dominance-against-auburn
Hooray for "thule draft talk"! :D

thule
10-20-2011, 07:47 PM
Hooray for "thule draft talk"! :D

I have one more gem coming for you tonight.

thule
10-20-2011, 08:35 PM
I was going to do a big write up about players who are making too much money and gear it towards the draft. But then I looked at the number. Aside from Dware/Romo/Austin/Witten/Ratliff all key pieces to the foundation of this team...we have one bad contract.

Newman - 2m a year signing bonus 2012: $6.016 million, 2013: $7,600,417, 2014: $7.5 million

He'll cost a lot to cut but I think if we can learn anything from our salary cap situation it's that we aren't overpaying for anyone on the roster right now outside of Newman. We aren't going to have a lot of cap play with all the cuts we made this year...so I think we'll see another slow FA just making plays at need positions. Romo didn't rework his deal but have you seen the numbers our top player are going to be making. We don't have a lot of big contracts but over half of our cap can be accounted for over 6 people. They deserve to get paid...but think of all the dead money we have waiting next year and you start to see the position we are in.

Ware = 8 million
Romo = 11 million
Free = around 10m

This tells me one thing...dallas might learn going for needs over talent if it comes down to a flip of the coin. We aren't going to have a lot of free money to play around with so I look for us to address our biggest needs early. This might be one of the few cowboys drafts were we really target need positions.

Another thing is to look at our upcoming free agents. There are 8 upcoming free agents that have started a game for our team.

Bradie James
Anthony Spencer
Martellus Bennett
Keith Brooking
Tashard Choice
Derrick Dockery
Abram Elam
Gerald Sensabaugh

When looking at draft day I always factor in which starters will be gone and who's making more than there worth.

Now we have a realistic idea of where we will go on draft day. These include in no specific order.

#1CB - Newman is our #1 we have good youth behind him...maybe he could restructure.

ILB - We are losing 2 ILB...Carter is being prepped as a nickel guy early...might be a position that makes sense in FA find a cheap servicable vet. Brooking was a Wade guy and Bradie a Parcells guy...wouldn't be surprised to see neither of them resigned.

OLB - Spencer is a guy who we would probably like to resign but it's going to come down to dollars. If he wants a big pay day he'll likely have to go elsewhere...I don't see Dallas being able to pay him that type of money.

OG - Dockery wasn't suppose to be the next big thing or anything...but neither young guy did a lot to reassure us that he should be our starter next year...hell we cut Holland and pissed him off and still called him back because our guys are so bad. So not exactly a vote of confidence. Interior OL usually cost a pretty penny if they are a top player at their position...so we'll either have to go with a middle level signing or address this early in the draft.

S - Lastly both of our safeties are on one year deals. We can choose to bring back one...but if both guys are looking for multi-year deals I just don't see us bringing back both. Free Agent safeties are never cheap...so like OG if you want one...it's likely going to be a middle to lower tier player.

For a team that isn't going to have a lot of money to address needs with above average players in FA we are going to have to have a solid draft and address needs early.

I'll start making my list of positions ...but based on what I've seen in this years draft I think it makes sense to match our selections with the value in the draft.

1. Interior OL
2. Safety
3. CB
4. ILB
5. OLB
6. TE

That is how I think our needs stack up...so in a perfect world we could find value at those positions in the coordinating rounds and have a very good draft.

Projecting our picks is weighted heavily on where we finish this year...a playoff team would probably be able to draft interior OL...where as a middle of the road team would probably not be able to justify the value. I'll base this mock off of the Dallas cowboys going 10-6 and making the playoffs.

1. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin*
2. Markelle Martin (6', 203), S, Oklahoma State
3. Donta Hightower (6-4, 260), LB, Alabama
4. Coby Fleener (6-6, 251), TE, Stanford
5. CB
6. OL
7. RB

This draft looks too good to be true to me...but if Konz comes out we should have a chance...Martin is supposed to have elite measurables but he'll have to prove that...Hightower is going to be a bit slow and that could cause him to fall a bit...and TE is always a crapshoot in the middle rounds...but a smart player to replace Bennett with a little more upside than Phillips wouldn't surprise me at all. I could see us going TE as early as the 3rd.

D-Unit
10-20-2011, 09:02 PM
Sweet read.

I'll throw a wrench in there....


QB


Just another thing to think about.

Don't have a lot of time right now to respond, but I like the mention of our own FAs. Here's what I think...

Bradie James - Gone
Anthony Spencer - Depends on the $$$. I have enough faith in Victor Butler to not give into Spencer's demands.
Martellus Bennett - Gone
Keith Brooking - Gone
Tashard Choice - Gone
Derrick Dockery - Cheap keeper
Abram Elam - Will become an affordable keeper
Gerald Sensabaugh - Gone

D-Unit
10-22-2011, 11:45 AM
I went into this past offseason expecting Newman to either get cut or be forced to restructure. Neither happened. We lost out on the Nnamdi sweepstakes and Newman's camp played their cards right by staying silent and letting the cards unfold. In the end, the Cowboys couldn't upgrade the position and were forced to see to Newman's demands. They had lost all leverage since they ignored upgrading CB through the draft and lost out on landing Asomugha.

Paying for Newman's production this year - $10M cap hit ($8M base) - must leave a sour taste in Jerry and Stephen's mouths. Especially since he came out of the gates injured and unable to play.

Next year, I don't expect the same situation to roll out the way it did this year. The carrot is not hanging in front of the donkey's nose this year. For one, there is no CB in FA in the caliber of Nnamdi. Secondly, FA will go back to normal and begin before the draft (unlike the lockout situation we had). So the Newman situation will be settled a lot earlier than it was this past offseason.

One realistic possibility is that the person replacing Newman will be Scandrick. There is growing faith in him and by season's end Ryan could feel comfortable with Scandrick in the base defense. I'm sure he'd be fine with that now, but he's said that he doesn't want to fix what's not broken. So Scandrick is what he calls his 3rd starting CB. We couldn't give Newman the boot because our depth was so shoddy, but next season, we should expect change.

The good part about that is that as good a job as Scandrick did on Welker, I still think he's better covering wides than slots. If he continues to shutdown slot receivers then it would be real hard moving him, but I think we'd have more ease and flexibility in the draft if all we had to do was find a nickel corner than a true #1 CB.

D-Unit
10-25-2011, 03:44 PM
So Scott gave us Mark Barron in his latest mock draft.

I'm very meh on the pick. What do you guys think?

M.O.T.H.
10-25-2011, 03:54 PM
I like Barron...but I'd probably rather have Cordy in this scenario.

D-Unit
10-25-2011, 03:57 PM
I like Barron...but I'd probably rather have Cordy in this scenario.
Yeah, like is a word I'd use too, but I just don't LOVE him and I want to LOVE whoever we take with our 1st rounder. :)

Macarthur
10-25-2011, 04:08 PM
Well, I'm not real high on taking a safety that high, but I do know that kids that come out of Alabama know how to play football.

Paul
10-26-2011, 11:15 AM
I wouldn't mind Barron.

Anyway, what are yall's thoughts about Kelechi Osemele? A behemoth of a man, holding his own playing LT right now, but will certainly play OG wherever he gets drafted. Has been dealing with a sprain ankle problem this year, but that doesn't really scare me. I've only seen a few things thanks to youtube, certainly not enough to make a concrete judgment.

Macarthur
10-26-2011, 12:19 PM
I wouldn't mind Barron.

Anyway, what are yall's thoughts about Kelechi Osemele? A behemoth of a man, holding his own playing LT right now, but will certainly play OG wherever he gets drafted. Has been dealing with a sprain ankle problem this year, but that doesn't really scare me. I've only seen a few things thanks to youtube, certainly not enough to make a concrete judgment.

Hard to say because I've thought he looked terrible at LT. He doesn't have the feet to play LT in college, IMO, much less the NFL. He's def strong and once he gets his hands on you, you're blocked. I would be nervous taking him in the 2nd because you're projecting a guy to a position he hasn't played in 2 years. And when you take a guard in round 2, he better step in and be very good day one.

D-Unit
10-26-2011, 01:03 PM
I wouldn't mind Osemele in Round 2. He's a bit of a project though he could surprise, I guess.

Macarthur
10-26-2011, 01:13 PM
I wouldn't mind Osemele in Round 2. He's a bit of a project though he could surprise, I guess.

PUtting the terms 2nd round & guard & project together scares the crap out of me. I don't mind putting two of those together but all three....

I think Arkin still is the answer here. He just needs time to get stronger. I also think guys like Kowlaski and Nagy will be fine with a year in the S&C program. For that reason, I'm not sure I want to go guard that high. Now, center is another story. If we could land a day one starter at center, I'm down with that.

M.O.T.H.
10-26-2011, 03:01 PM
I'd imagine Costa is going to be our starting Center for quite a while. The coaches love him. It's probably much more likely that we go G early, instead of C.

D-Unit
10-26-2011, 03:44 PM
I'd imagine Costa is going to be our starting Center for quite a while. The coaches love him. It's probably much more likely that we go G early, instead of C.
That sounds more like the fact of the matter to me. Even if Konz declared and knowing Garrett's relationship with Chryst. I still wouldn't project us to taking a Center in Round 1.

I don't project us to taking a Round 1 Guard either. It was probably hard enough for Jerry to swallow taking a Tackle in Round 1. If he takes a Guard or Center, I'll be floored.

But Jerry does love Rounds 2-3 for Centers and Guards. ...and I agree with him in how he's been doing things up till this past offseason in FA.

M.O.T.H.
10-26-2011, 03:57 PM
Well, I dont think C will be on the radar at all, is what I'm saying...early or otherwise. The coaches really do love Costa, for whatever reason. And they seem to like Kowalski. Costa just seems really safe to me going forward.

D-Unit
10-27-2011, 02:15 PM
Well, I dont think C will be on the radar at all, is what I'm saying...early or otherwise. The coaches really do love Costa, for whatever reason. And they seem to like Kowalski. Costa just seems really safe to me going forward.
Well, I think it could be a very deep Center class, so they shouldn't ignore it if the right situation arises. ...and I do like Kowalski (long term) more than Costa.

D-Unit
10-27-2011, 05:05 PM
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft 2.0

Round 1 - QB Robert Griffin III, Baylor
As I said before, I think we should address the position in a year like this, where 1) QBs should fall in the draft, 2) we don't have a lot of pressing needs, and 3) we have time to groom a QB.
Other option:

Round 2 - CB Chase Minnifield, Virginia

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Chase is a complete corner. Strong against the pass and the run. A sound and solid tackler, who also plays with fluidity and instinct. A strong CB class will push him into the 2nd round. Here's hoping we have a chance.
Other option: CB Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt

Round 3 - OG Ryan Miller, Colorado

http://photos.dailycamera.com/Sports/CU-Sports/CU-FOOTBALL-FIRST-PRACTICE/0805CUFB026/960711357_5uCDW-M.jpg

The big ugly has seen his stock fall with the bad season the Buffalos have been having. Still a solid G prospect who could start right away and has a lot of experience on the Right side where we have a hole.
Other option: OG Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin

Round 4 - C Philip Blake, Baylor
It's wishful to think that RG3's Center will follow him to the pros, but I did want to mention him since he's a talented player in his own right. He's a big nasty center prospect who can neutralize DTs one on one and at his size, I'd like to think that he'll be able to run block like Gurode...another Big 12 OC who we enjoyed.
Other option: C William Vlachos, Alabama

Round 5 - CB Trumaine Johnson, Montana

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Stock dropping since he got kicked off his team recently, but the raw talent is there and he fits the mold of a Rob Ryan kind of DB.
Other option: CB Jamell Flemming, Oklahoma

Round 6 - S Duke Ihenacho, San Jose St

Really impressed me in his game against Hawaii. The Warriors struggled to pass all game long and Ihenacho was all over the place like a man possessed. Very strong and well built. Long arms and fluid athleticism as well. You can tell that he plays with a chip on his shoulder.
Other option: S Charles Mitchell, Mississippi State

Round 7 - TE Rhett Ellison, USC

Not the sexy TE that teams covet as a receiving weapon, but damn can he block. Very smart and attentive to detail. Gimme gimme.
Other option: TE Kevin Koger, Michigan

Paul
10-29-2011, 10:58 AM
I have this uneasy feeling this could be one those "Depth Building" drafts, ala 2009.

D-Unit
10-29-2011, 01:32 PM
I have this uneasy feeling this could be one those "Depth Building" drafts, ala 2009.
Let's hope Jerry learned his lesson. So far Garrett's drafts haven't been terribly bad. We might get 3-4 keepers out of last year's bunch.

Paul
10-29-2011, 06:54 PM
My boy Osemele just pancaked the **** out of someone on that touchdown run.

D-Unit
10-29-2011, 09:57 PM
My boy Osemele just pancaked the **** out of someone on that touchdown run.
Speaking of OGs.... I've been watching this Stanford/USC game and DeCastro isn't the golden boy many make him out to be. If we draft him in Round 1, then I'll cry.

thule
10-31-2011, 12:19 AM
I won't cry...our interior line is a joke. Biggest hole on this team. I don't think we can afford to go qb in round one because we do have weaknesses. Our team has no depth. Teams like new England and Pittsburgh and green bay lose starters all the time and yet put a formidable team on the field...we lose one guy and all of a sudden we drop off the face of the earth. I'm frustrated and think we overrate our own talent since we follow our team so closely. We don't need to draft starters at every position...but to me we need a hell of a lot more than a future qb. I see more holes than draft picks and I still think we will only make plays at one or two mid level free agents.

D-Unit
10-31-2011, 12:40 AM
I won't cry...our interior line is a joke. Biggest hole on this team. I don't think we can afford to go qb in round one because we do have weaknesses. Our team has no depth. Teams like new England and Pittsburgh and green bay lose starters all the time and yet put a formidable team on the field...we lose one guy and all of a sudden we drop off the face of the earth. I'm frustrated and think we overrate our own talent since we follow our team so closely. We don't need to draft starters at every position...but to me we need a hell of a lot more than a future qb. I see more holes than draft picks and I still think we will only make plays at one or two mid level free agents.
Well if all we do in FA is get 1 or 2 depth guys, then the first round can be used on anything.... and I'll still be upset that we used our 1st rounder on a Guard. I think expecting DeCastro to turn this team's fortunes around is overrating him. I think we can find a OG in Rounds 2 and 3 and still find a guy with the same potential. If we're really hoping to fix the OL from day 1, then money HAS TO be spent in FA on a guy that has proven to make a difference.

You complain about depth all over the team. I totally agree, and since that really is the case, then using a 1st on an OG makes even less sense for me. I want playmakers. It just gets harder and harder to get those as you go farther in the draft. I'd hate to attack the draft with such short sightedness.

It's ok to disagree. It makes the world go round. :)

D-Unit
10-31-2011, 03:19 AM
If he falls out of the Top 5, we need to do everything we can to get Matt Barkley. Even in USC's loss, I thought he was equally, if not more impressive than Andrew Luck.

MetSox17
10-31-2011, 03:39 AM
Since everyone's cool with disagreements, i think it would be an absolutely horrible move to trade up for a QB. It sets us back HUGE. We lose picks that we could have used elsewhere and improves our team in ZERO ways for the short-term. In the long-term we lose out on the opportunity to have multiple starters elsewhere on the team, and on top of that we don't even know how Barkley will play out as an NFL qb. That to me would be a textbook panic move.

Trogdor
10-31-2011, 07:26 AM
Since everyone's cool with disagreements, i think it would be an absolutely horrible move to trade up for a QB. It sets us back HUGE. We lose picks that we could have used elsewhere and improves our team in ZERO ways for the short-term. In the long-term we lose out on the opportunity to have multiple starters elsewhere on the team, and on top of that we don't even know how Barkley will play out as an NFL qb. That to me would be a textbook panic move.

+9000. We need multiple starters on the oline before we can even think about a deep playoff run.

Macarthur
10-31-2011, 10:29 AM
This interior OL needs a major overhaul. I think Nagy, Arkin, Costa and Kowalski could be decent depth, but if we start next season with any of them as a starter, we are in trouble. I think C has become a higher priority in the draft.

Paul
10-31-2011, 10:53 AM
While I agree with upgrading in the interior O-line, I'd much rather grab a vet Center through FA to avoid any possible further growing pains at a vital position. Someone like Jeff Saturday and Nick Hardwick could be available in the offseason, I'd love to have either of them be a veteran leader on that O-Line.

Anyone else feel Free leaves a lot to be desired at LT right now? Counting the days until Tyron Smith switches sides.

D-Unit
10-31-2011, 11:56 AM
Since everyone's cool with disagreements, i think it would be an absolutely horrible move to trade up for a QB. It sets us back HUGE. We lose picks that we could have used elsewhere and improves our team in ZERO ways for the short-term. In the long-term we lose out on the opportunity to have multiple starters elsewhere on the team, and on top of that we don't even know how Barkley will play out as an NFL qb. That to me would be a textbook panic move.
I can see that side of it too. But so long as we're not using the first rounder on an OG. I just think you can get that in Round 2 or 3 and/or FA.

If we keep our picks and go CB in Round 1, then I'll be happy. I don't see value at S in Round 1. DL and LB is not a Round 1 need. RB, WR, TE, OT aren't 1st round needs either. ...and OG, C are wastes (imo). QB, CB is the only way to go.

Paul
10-31-2011, 12:13 PM
You're not gonna like my mock then D.

1. Mark Barron, S, 6-2 220,
2. Kelechi Osemele, OG, 6-6 350
3. Casey Hayward, CB, 5-11 190
4. Ledarius Green, TE, 6-6 240
5. Jacquies Smith, DE/OLB, 6-4 255
6. Antoine McClain, OG, 6-6 340
7. Matt Conrath, DE/DT, 6-7 280

Notes:

Will we draft two OG's in a draft? Probably Not.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jacquies shows out at the combine and value sky rockets.
Hayward has a 4th round grade from what I've seen but I likes him.
Matt Conrath looks stout against the run

MetSox17
10-31-2011, 01:51 PM
I can see that side of it too. But so long as we're not using the first rounder on an OG. I just think you can get that in Round 2 or 3 and/or FA.

If we keep our picks and go CB in Round 1, then I'll be happy. I don't see value at S in Round 1. DL and LB is not a Round 1 need. RB, WR, TE, OT aren't 1st round needs either. ...and OG, C are wastes (imo). QB, CB is the only way to go.

I don't know, i just feel uncomfortable going back to the same position every first round. Eventually we need to develop our own guys. Keeping Newman around instead of opening up the wallet for a good CB this off-season is every week proving to be a worse and worse move. I honestly don't care if we take interior linemen in the first, we need a bigger and badder offensive line.

Everyone rags on how bad our line got the last few years, but when we first had Flozell/Kosier/Gurode/Davis/Colombo, man, we could push some people around. I want that again.

D-Unit
10-31-2011, 02:33 PM
You're not gonna like my mock then D.

1. Mark Barron, S, 6-2 220,
2. Kelechi Osemele, OG, 6-6 350
3. Casey Hayward, CB, 5-11 190
4. Ledarius Green, TE, 6-6 240
5. Jacquies Smith, DE/OLB, 6-4 255
6. Antoine McClain, OG, 6-6 340
7. Matt Conrath, DE/DT, 6-7 280

Notes:

Will we draft two OG's in a draft? Probably Not.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jacquies shows out at the combine and value sky rockets.
Hayward has a 4th round grade from what I've seen but I likes him.
Matt Conrath looks stout against the run

Actually, no, I don't dislike that draft at all. Quite contrary. OG in Round 2... perfect. Hayward in Round 3... lovely. Green is not much of a blocker, so I'd pass, but you can't complain too much about the value. I just don't want the next Martellus Bennett. Round 6 and 7 can be anyone. So if Mark Barron is our 1st round pick, then I would just hope for the best and see if he's really capable of being a long term solution or just another name in the long line of names who have rotated through here since Darren Woodson left town.

D-Unit
10-31-2011, 02:39 PM
I don't know, i just feel uncomfortable going back to the same position every first round. Eventually we need to develop our own guys. Keeping Newman around instead of opening up the wallet for a good CB this off-season is every week proving to be a worse and worse move. I honestly don't care if we take interior linemen in the first, we need a bigger and badder offensive line.

Everyone rags on how bad our line got the last few years, but when we first had Flozell/Kosier/Gurode/Davis/Colombo, man, we could push some people around. I want that again.
I think that is the real feeling most have. That since the interior OL is the biggest need that the best way of fixing it is with a 1st rounder. For me, the OG class is just too deep and the number of other teams willing to spend their 1st on an OG is not high. So for us to take one... well... I don't like the sound of it. If it really came down to it, then I'd rather C, than OG to be honest.

Witten4HOF
10-31-2011, 04:26 PM
I have to think that either guard or center will be addressed in FA... I assume center because it is probably the cheaper of the two routes and the team does like Costa and Kowalski long term. Although I would love to get Carl Nicks in a cowboys uni next season.

As for the RGIII pipe dream, I cant see it happening unless Jerry gets a HELLUVA deal for Romo. I cant see him investing a top 15 pick to sit for a season or two, but I could be wrong. At the very least JG could mix in some wildcat to get him on the field. Barkley isn't happening either and I'm not really a fan of it regardless. With the exception of Palmer... USC QB's look the part but never really progress past "average" at the next level.

1) Alameda Ta'amu NT, 6'2 335lbs
2) Markelle Martin FS, 6'1 195 lbs
3) Shaun Prater CB, 5'10 185 lbs
4) Amini Silatolu OG, 6'3 324 lbs
5) Joe Adams WR, 5'11 190 lbs
6) Mitchell Schwartz OT, 6'5 318 lbs
7) J.R Sweezy DE, 6'5 293 lbs

antwanboldin
10-31-2011, 10:15 PM
Made this last week and I think it made more sense after last night


1st - I like Michael Brewster, Vontaze Burfict, and Chase Minfield. Peter Konz(Center - Wisconsin ) made some nice holes against Michigan State so hes my pick for right now.


2nd - Alameda Ta'amu - NT, Washington - 6'3", 340 lbs. When he has the wind for it, he throws guys into the backfield. Doesnt use his hands too well, but that can be coached. Cant coach his H/W/S. Collapses the pocket and generally uglies things up for the QB. Would help Ware tremendously as there would be a much smaller pocket to step up into for QB's


3rd - Flirted with Michigan St. QB Kirk Cousins here. He likes to drift, hold into it til the last second and squeeze it in. Reminds me of Jay Cutler a little bit. But he will go higher than this I think. Give me ..... Ladarius Green! TE - Laffayyettte - Boooo says you. Hes 6'6", 230 lbs Good speed, averaging 18 yards a catch. You booed DeMarco Murray at the time too, give him a chance. Jimmy Graham, Jermichael Finley, Rob Grownkowski/Hernandez. All on teams who are putting up tons of points

4th - Trumane Johnson - CB -Montana - 6'2", 200 lbs - 13 picks.

5th - Desmond Wynn - Guard - Rutgers - I know this guy, hes ok I guess.

6th Russel Wilson QB - Wisconsin - ChrisInArizona likened him to the black Tony Romo. It would give us the black Tony Romo, the white Tony Romo, and the real Tony Romo.

6th - Jacquies Smith - Mizzou - OLB - 6'4", 255 lbs Production is improving every year, we need another one of these.

7th. Devin Wylie - WR/PR - Fresno St. - 5'9 - Slot WR, returner, looks to have great speed

D-Unit
11-01-2011, 04:00 AM
Made this last week and I think it made more sense after last night


1st - I like Michael Brewster, Vontaze Burfict, and Chase Minfield. Peter Konz(Center - Wisconsin ) made some nice holes against Michigan State so hes my pick for right now.


2nd - Alameda Ta'amu - NT, Washington - 6'3", 340 lbs. When he has the wind for it, he throws guys into the backfield. Doesnt use his hands too well, but that can be coached. Cant coach his H/W/S. Collapses the pocket and generally uglies things up for the QB. Would help Ware tremendously as there would be a much smaller pocket to step up into for QB's


3rd - Flirted with Michigan St. QB Kirk Cousins here. He likes to drift, hold into it til the last second and squeeze it in. Reminds me of Jay Cutler a little bit. But he will go higher than this I think. Give me ..... Ladarius Green! TE - Laffayyettte - Boooo says you. Hes 6'6", 230 lbs Good speed, averaging 18 yards a catch. You booed DeMarco Murray at the time too, give him a chance. Jimmy Graham, Jermichael Finley, Rob Grownkowski/Hernandez. All on teams who are putting up tons of points

4th - Trumane Johnson - CB -Montana - 6'2", 200 lbs - 13 picks.

5th - Desmond Wynn - Guard - Rutgers - I know this guy, hes ok I guess.

6th Russel Wilson QB - Wisconsin - ChrisInArizona likened him to the black Tony Romo. It would give us the black Tony Romo, the white Tony Romo, and the real Tony Romo.

6th - Jacquies Smith - Mizzou - OLB - 6'4", 255 lbs Production is improving every year, we need another one of these.

7th. Devin Wylie - WR/PR - Fresno St. - 5'9 - Slot WR, returner, looks to have great speed
Welcome to our forum! Interesting mock. Who is ChrisInArizona?

JBCX
11-01-2011, 08:19 AM
Maybe Jerry will put together a package to trade up for an elite LT prospect such as Matt Kalil and move Doug Free to OG?

I still believe that something is in the works this year with Jerry. I have a strong feeling that he will be trading up in this draft in a big way for some kind of elite prospect, and possibly a QB such as Barkley or RGIII.

Macarthur
11-01-2011, 10:48 AM
Maybe Jerry will put together a package to trade up for an elite LT prospect such as Matt Kalil and move Doug Free to OG?

I still believe that something is in the works this year with Jerry. I have a strong feeling that he will be trading up in this draft in a big way for some kind of elite prospect, and possibly a QB such as Barkley or RGIII.

No way in Hades, we got OT two years in a row, especially since we gave Free a sizable contract. Plus, I don't think Free's strenghts lend themselves to guard. He's an edge type player.

D-Unit
11-01-2011, 01:48 PM
Maybe Jerry will put together a package to trade up for an elite LT prospect such as Matt Kalil and move Doug Free to OG?

I still believe that something is in the works this year with Jerry. I have a strong feeling that he will be trading up in this draft in a big way for some kind of elite prospect, and possibly a QB such as Barkley or RGIII.
That's not gonna happen bro. The cost to move up that high.... well, we might as well go for Luck. If Barkley falls, I'd be all for exploring a trade up. Same for RGIII, but I'd rather have Barkley.

Paul
11-01-2011, 10:24 PM
I have to think that either guard or center will be addressed in FA... I assume center because it is probably the cheaper of the two routes and the team does like Costa and Kowalski long term. Although I would love to get Carl Nicks in a cowboys uni next season.

As for the RGIII pipe dream, I cant see it happening unless Jerry gets a HELLUVA deal for Romo. I cant see him investing a top 15 pick to sit for a season or two, but I could be wrong. At the very least JG could mix in some wildcat to get him on the field. Barkley isn't happening either and I'm not really a fan of it regardless. With the exception of Palmer... USC QB's look the part but never really progress past "average" at the next level.

1) Alameda Ta'amu NT, 6'2 335lbs
2) Markelle Martin FS, 6'1 195 lbs
3) Shaun Prater CB, 5'10 185 lbs
4) Amini Silatolu OG, 6'3 324 lbs
5) Joe Adams WR, 5'11 190 lbs
6) Mitchell Schwartz OT, 6'5 318 lbs
7) J.R Sweezy DE, 6'5 293 lbs

You know I wouldn't mind this draft. I know a lot of us wanted a a prototypical 2-gap NT since the Parcells days, but with the way Ratliff has produced, we've kind of let that thought fall by the wayside. I can only imagine how good our front 7 would be if we had a stud NT in the middle with Ware and Ratliff coming off the same edge. Ahh Dreams

D-Unit
11-01-2011, 10:37 PM
You know I wouldn't mind this draft. I know a lot of us wanted a a prototypical 2-gap NT since the Parcells days, but with the way Ratliff has produced, we've kind of let that thought fall by the wayside. I can only imagine how good our front 7 would be if we had a stud NT in the middle with Ware and Ratliff coming off the same edge. Ahh Dreams

Yeah, I've felt that way too. I hope that if Dontari Poe is legit then he would be someone the Cowboys would take in round 1 too.

MetSox17
11-01-2011, 10:50 PM
The crappiest part is that i remember a lot of us shouting for Ahtyba Rubin or Red Bryant in the 08 draft and all we kept doing was trade away picks.. Both of those guys have turned into pretty good players.

TheFinisher
11-05-2011, 04:27 PM
Assuming we're picking around 16 or so:

1. CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

http://www.6magazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/FLA_Jenkins.jpg

I know he has some off the field stuff but if he checks out you're looking at the best cover man in this class. He's gone toe to toe with elite receivers and often times has blanketed them. I expect this to be Newman's last year with the team which will add another hole to an already thin position. Mike Jenkins and Scandrick are decent starting options but Janoris has the upside to be a stud #1 at the next level.


2. OG Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/cd/ccd2562f-da5d-5c08-8829-69135f993042/4e6cf299071fc.image.jpg

Interior OLine is probably the biggest weakness on this team and Round 2 has proven to be a prime spot in landing starting-caliber talent. Konz gets most of the attention from this board but Zeitler has been equally as dominant paving the way for the Badgers' running attack. Kosier is decling at an alarming pace while Left Guard has been a revolving door that seems to have a new starter every week. Zeitler should be a mainstay from Day 1 and would be the next step in building a quality offensive line.


3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina

http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2011/10/28/22/28/yqO2N.Em.156.jpg

Williams is a guy who's seen his stock rise this season after transferring from the Junior College ranks. A big body (6-3, 320) who commands double teams, Williams gives us a true NT to groom behind Ratliff. Rat has been a warrior but his lack of size sometimes hurts us against teams who want to run the ball down our throats.


4. QB Nick Foles, Arizona

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nick+Foles+Iowa+v+Arizona+08da1igzHTql.jpg

This year seems like a prime opportunity to nab a QB in the middle rounds who can be developed into a potential starter down the road. Looking through the 2nd tier options Foles stands out due to his big frame(6-5, 240) and strong arm. Dallas would be a perfect scenario for him because he still needs to polish up some areas of his game including decision making, but he would be able to develop at his own pace with Romo on board for at least a few more seasons. Foles has all the physical tools to be a starter in the NFL.


5. SS Aaron Henry, Wisconsin

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0420/ncf_i_henry01_600.jpg

A converted corner who displays some natural coverage skills, Henry has developed into a vocal leader in the Badgers' secondary. Although he has the physical skillset to be a starting safety he is still learning the position and needs some time to develop. With the Safety position is a constant flux and no young talent to get excited about on the roster, Henry would be a nice pick who can contribute early on as a special teams guy while continuing to refine his game.


6. CB Asa Jackson, Cal Poly

http://sloblogs.thetribunenews.com/collegebeat/files/2010/07/asa.jpg

Small school gem who possesses all the measurables to play at the next level. Corner is a position where you can never have enough guys and Jackson is someone who I think can challenge the bottom of our roster for a spot. Lots of upside and is always around the football, hopefully he doesn't share the same fate as AOA lol.


7. ILB Mychal Kendricks, Cal

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2010/10/13/ba-cal14_PH_0502393256.jpg

Has been a leader on Cal's defense and can hopefully earn a spot with Brooking and Bradie on their last legs, I think we address ILB depth via FA but taking a shot on Kendricks here won't hurt.

Witten4HOF
11-06-2011, 11:44 PM
That's not gonna happen bro. The cost to move up that high.... well, we might as well go for Luck. If Barkley falls, I'd be all for exploring a trade up. Same for RGIII, but I'd rather have Barkley.

Is there any specific reason you prefer Barkley over RGIII ? IMO Griffin has the potential to be "Special" with his mobility and already has very good accuracy. That sort of combination is rare, extends plays, aids the O-line and makes your play makers even better. Look at what the presence of Vick does to boost the play of Shady, Maclin, and Jackson.

Not taking anything away from Barkley, I think he could be very solid. I just don't trust USC QB prospects. Leinart and Sanchez are average at best, even Carson Palmer never lived up to his enormous potential.

Trogdor
11-07-2011, 06:51 AM
Assuming we're picking around 16 or so:

1. CB Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama: Can't imagine Garrett signing off on this due to the RKG (right kind of guy) approach he has. If he interviews extremely well then perhaps although I won't argue the talents vs draft spot :)

2. OG Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin: LOVE the pick.

3. NT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina: Like the player and the idea of moving Rat but I'd prefer a safety here.

4. QB Nick Foles, Arizona: Really, REALLY mixed on this one. He has the potential to be great and I think he'll be gone by this pick. Even so the gimmicky offense, horrid decision making when under pressure, ugly deep ball, and to be quite frank I question his ability to read coverages at times -_-. That being said he has all the tools and with 2-3 years of astute tutelage he SHOULD develop.

5. SS Aaron Henry, Wisconsin: Like the pick although he's a huge project at the safety position. Having him play ST while learning would be a huge help. I enjoy watching Wisconsin but I think he's waaaay too reactive but if it clicks and he gets the mental part of it he could easily be an NFL starter.

6. CB Asa Jackson, Cal Poly: <3 One of my favorite small school guys this year even though I hate short-ish corners (5'11").

7. ILB Mychal Kendricks, Cal: I think he'll be gone before this point even though he's an OLB getting kicked inside.


Good stuff though can't wait until draft season :D

antwanboldin
11-08-2011, 02:37 PM
If Konz isnt in this draft I would strongly consider more pass rushing like Melvin Ingram R1. Brewster and Glenn should be gettable still after that

Paul
11-08-2011, 04:01 PM
Meh. Spencer isn't exactly setting the world ablaze, but if he re-signs for cheap, he'll be serviceable enough. Interior O-line and Secondary are bigger concerns for me.

antwanboldin
11-08-2011, 09:43 PM
Meh. Spencer isn't exactly setting the world ablaze, but if he re-signs for cheap, he'll be serviceable enough. Interior O-line and Secondary are bigger concerns for me.

I thin it'll be easier to pick up a let's say Ben Grubbs in FA. Going out and signing a pass rusher is tough. Calvin pace got I think around $60m.


There's not much difference between Brewster, Glenn, or decadtro IMO.(all bets are off for Konz, the cowboys need to get him if he declares).

Paul
11-08-2011, 10:04 PM
I'll agree with you on the Konz point. I can't see us picking up a Center in the first, but the thought of an offseason where we could end up with Konz and Nicks/Grubbs gives me happy feelings in strange places.

Macarthur
11-09-2011, 11:08 AM
I thin it'll be easier to pick up a let's say Ben Grubbs in FA. Going out and signing a pass rusher is tough. Calvin pace got I think around $60m.


There's not much difference between Brewster, Glenn, or decadtro IMO.(all bets are off for Konz, the cowboys need to get him if he declares).

I agree with this. I would not have an issue with DL or pass rusher.

Paul
11-10-2011, 05:18 PM
About every mock out there has a CB going to us in the 1st. So, any preference between Jenkins and Kirpatrick for yall?

Macarthur
11-11-2011, 09:32 AM
I'm thinking Kirkpatrick because I'm a bit spooked by Jenkins off the field stuff. Plus, I think guy coming from Alabama/Saban are very well coached and ready for the NFL.

MetSox17
11-11-2011, 05:36 PM
I'm thinking Kirkpatrick because I'm a bit spooked by Jenkins off the field stuff. Plus, I think guy coming from Alabama/Saban are very well coached and ready for the NFL.

Kareem Jackson?

Macarthur
11-14-2011, 01:03 PM
Kareem Jackson?

There are always exceptions, but Saban's players generally are very sound.

D-Unit
11-14-2011, 05:02 PM
I'm thinking Kirkpatrick because I'm a bit spooked by Jenkins off the field stuff. Plus, I think guy coming from Alabama/Saban are very well coached and ready for the NFL.
The scary thing about scouting Alabama players is that they are such a talented group, you can't tell as clearly how good they are individually.

antwanboldin
11-15-2011, 04:08 AM
What's up with Konz's blood clots? Career threatening?

D-Unit
11-15-2011, 05:11 PM
What's up with Konz's blood clots? Career threatening?
Not sure. Never heard of the problem. Would probably be a good thread for discussion in the main draft forum.

D-Unit
11-15-2011, 08:25 PM
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft 3.0

Round 1 - DE/OLB Whitney Mercilus, Illinois

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1011/chi_i_mercilusw_400.jpg

I've been hyping him up on other parts of the board, but not much here. It didn't hit me until today while having that "Victor Butler can't defend the run" talk started that I got to thinking about Mercilus for the Cowboys. If Spencer is let go, then finding a balanced OLB becomes a priority. Mercilus is sick. He already has 12.5 sacks on the year and 47 tackles. He doesn't have a lot of believers right now as you won't find him high on people's boards, but he is high on my board and would bring a devastating presence to Rob's defense.

Round 2 - QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Brandon+Weeden+Oklahoma+State+v+Texas+yZorjdR1XiQl .jpg

I have a strong inkling that Garrett will love this fellow ginger QB. Weeden is getting mixed opinions, but nobody has him as a sure fire 1st rounder. He's got great size and can make all the throws, but there are still yet, few believers. He may be exactly what we are looking for at the value we can afford.

Round 3 - CB Johnathan Banks, Mississippi St

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1110/ncf_u_jonathanbanks_cmg_600.jpg

Like Whitney Mercilus, another guy that I am higher on than most is Mississippi State's Johnathan Banks. Banks has defended 13 passes this year, intercepted five passes and has 49 tackles, including two sacks. Plays a physical brand of Rob Ryan defense and most likely won't be available here.... but since I don't suspect the hype machine has started on him yet...he's fair game to me! :D

Round 4 - C David Molk, Michigan

http://multimedia.detnews.com/pix/b3/56/70/fc/20/19/20090326205809_UM-16.JPG

Doesn't garner a ton of love because of his perceived lack of size, but Molk reminds me of Mark Stepnoski who played with a quiet intensity and dominated the pivot position along the OL. He brings a ton of experience, leadership and smarts. I'm with Bob in that I love Big Ten OL because of their heavy run brand of football combined with tough weather conditioning and colleges known for real education and not just passing out free grades to athletes...

M.O.T.H.
11-15-2011, 08:31 PM
I'm not interested in a QB anyway, but Weeden is 28 years old.

Say he sat on the bench for two years...he's 30-31 years old in his inaugural starting season. Might as well sign an established vet instead, if that was the plan.

D-Unit
11-15-2011, 08:33 PM
I'm not interested in a QB anyway, but Weeden is 28 years old.

Say he sat on the bench for two years...he's 30 years old in his inaugural starting season.
I just saw that in Scott's Hot Prospect list. I think I just made a bad suggestion here in this mock. lol.

Macarthur
11-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Yeah, I like Weeden, but his age is a real minus.

thule
11-17-2011, 08:00 PM
Couple names that caught my eye today

OG Kelechi Osemele: Iowa State (6-5, 350) Stock: Up

A big, thick kid with natural strength, athleticism and flexibility. Has improved his technique and overall range off the edge, but is still better suited to play inside or on the right side at the next level. Nevertheless, could certainly mature into one of the league’s best at either spots.

OLB Courtney Upshaw: Alabama (6-2, 263) Stock: Same

I like him as a 34 outside backer who can play on the strong side, take on linemen at the point and also rush the passer. He’s at his best attacking downhill, using his strong hands to disengage and always is around the football. Looks like a year one starter to me at the next level with scheme versatility.

4. OLB Bruce Irvin: West Virginia (6-3, 235) Stock: Same

A similar caliber athlete to Denver LB Von Miller off the edge. Looks like an impact caliber pass rusher as a 34-rush guy in the NFL if he can continue to keep himself clean of the field. Plays in a scheme that doesn’t allow him to play to his strengths and could end up being a real steal because of it.

3. DT Alameda Ta’amu: Washington (6-3, 335) Stock: Same

This is the kind of guy who has the ability to anchor the middle of an NFL defense in either a 3-4 or 4-3 front. Needs to do a better job finding the football, but overall he looks like a starter you can win because of in the NFL.

from NFP

Paul
11-17-2011, 08:54 PM
Love Kelechi Osemele. I was really impressed in the Iowa State game a few weeks back. The man specializes in bulldozing human beings.

antwanboldin
11-18-2011, 01:55 AM
Ta'amy is very powerful. Technique not great so there's room to get even better .

Macarthur
11-18-2011, 11:54 AM
Love Kelechi Osemele. I was really impressed in the Iowa State game a few weeks back. The man specializes in bulldozing human beings.

From what I have seen of him, he will almost certainly have to play inside. He will be a very good guard, but I think he would get abused at OT.

Paul
11-18-2011, 12:06 PM
From what I have seen of him, he will almost certainly have to play inside. He will be a very good guard, but I think he would get abused at OT.

Oh yeah definitely. He has no business at OT in the NFL.

Macarthur
11-18-2011, 12:23 PM
Oh yeah definitely. He has no business at OT in the NFL.

Yeah, he looks more sluggish than Loadholt did, IMO.

antwanboldin
11-19-2011, 01:15 PM
Mercilus, what a great name.

Very strong in run contain, very natural fluid athlete. You can see where he can be used in a few different ways. It doesn't look like this Is the body he'll have in 2 Years.

antwanboldin
11-19-2011, 02:09 PM
While watching Cordy Glenn I like thiS Danny travathan from KU. Tackling machine. Lot of fight in him, could be a Keith Davis type

Paul
11-20-2011, 05:45 PM
Just finished up the Forum Mock in the fantasy section, this is what I ended up with.

1. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
2. Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State
3. Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
4. Jerry Franklin, LB, Arkansa

Thoughts?

Macarthur
11-21-2011, 09:09 AM
I haven't really started thinking about specific players, but I think it's clear given yesterday's game, we still need to go heavy on defense in the draft. We need another DB and an interior DL.

D-Unit
11-21-2011, 01:40 PM
Just finished up the Forum Mock in the fantasy section, this is what I ended up with.

1. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
2. Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State
3. Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin
4. Jerry Franklin, LB, Arkansa

Thoughts?
Good job Paul. I like seeing the different views folks have on our team needs and seeing how they would go about addressing them. Jenkins has as much upside as any corner in the draft and there's a lot to like about him. I question whether Garrett will take on a guy with his kind of character , but more importantly, I question whether he is the ideal CB that fits Rob Ryan's scheme. In addition to being able to a good cover guy (which I think Jenkins has all the make up and skills to do), I think Ryan also prefers physical corners who are sure tacklers, who can get physical at the LOS and who can excel at blitzing the QB. It's the physical part of the game that I still have question marks on with Jenkins. I do see him as a willing type, I just don't know if that "will" translates to "ability". He could very well end up that kind of player, with development and coaching, but I probably would've gone another direction. Right now, I have Alfonzo Dennard ahead of Jenkins in the senior class (based off Ryan's scheme), but I also really like the depth of this CB class throughout the draft. I know this guy wasn't in the mock, but if Johnathan Banks declares, I'm drooling over him right now. He's the complete package of what I think we need.

Brewster was an awesome selection. Jerry has shown the afinity for taking Centers in Round 2 and I think that is our biggest weakness on the OL. So getting a guy like Brewster there was a good find. Konz went soon after your pick in Round 1 and I don't like that value. I'm with you... I like Jenkins ahead of Konz there too.

Not a huge fan of the Aaron Henry pick. I thought that was a reach. With Lucas Nix, Coby Fleener, Brandon Boykin, Amini Silatolu, and Antonio Allen going right after, I thought those were all better values. Maybe you can tell me what you like about Henry and why you thought he was good value there. If you were looking at Safety there, I like Antonio Allen, but another guy I like is small school prospect Trumaine Johnson. I had him in a mock here before, I just really like how he would project to being a cover safety on the next level. He is really raw, but I love his upside and I think any Safety we draft this year would be a developmental guy anyway. I think Sensy and Elam have earned extensions. Just didn't quite get the Henry pick, but I know he has other fans (The Finisher).

Who is Jerry Franklin? I'm not up and up on him yet... but should I be? Is he an ILB or OLB?

Overall, I could come away hopeful about the Jenkins and Brewster picks with some question marks about Henry and Franklin, but I like it! Good job! :D

Macarthur
11-21-2011, 02:43 PM
I think I'd rather go DL with that first or second round and try to sign someone like John Sullivan or McClure in FA.

D-Unit
11-21-2011, 03:35 PM
I think I'd rather go DL with that first or second round and try to sign someone like John Sullivan or McClure in FA.
I'd rather go with a young talented Center in the draft, unless you can get a better FA like Ryan Kalil. I just don't see an upgrade at DL in the draft this year. ...except at NT perhaps and I haven't been convinced enough of those 2 guys yet..

Macarthur
11-21-2011, 03:43 PM
I'd rather go with a young talented Center in the draft, unless you can get a better FA like Ryan Kalil. I just don't see an upgrade at DL in the draft this year. ...except at NT perhaps and I haven't been convinced enough of those 2 guys yet..

I supose I could be persuaded if there's a stud C in there. I know how important that position is and how overmatched Costa has been much of the time.

D-Unit
11-21-2011, 04:04 PM
I supose I could be persuaded if there's a stud C in there. I know how important that position is and how overmatched Costa has been much of the time.
I've had a negative bias on Costa since the preseason hype since I never believed a word of it. I can see why the coaches started praising him because he does a good job at getting to the second level in run blocking, but it's terribly apparent that he cannot sustain one on one blocks and cannot create a straight forward push without getting help from a neighboring guard. This was no more apparent than this game against Washington. An upgrade at C is critical for 2012.

As for the Guard play... it hasn't been as bad as those clamoring for "interior OL" help make it out to be. Hopefully Arkin is at the weight room as we speak because I have high hopes for him.

Glad Paul didn't take an early OG in his mock.

Macarthur
11-21-2011, 04:10 PM
I've had a negative bias on Costa since the preseason hype since I never believed a word of it. I can see why the coaches started praising him because he does a good job at getting to the second level in run blocking, but it's terribly apparent that he cannot sustain one on one blocks and cannot create a straight forward push without getting help from a neighboring guard. This was no more apparent than this game against Washington. An upgrade at C is critical for 2012.

As for the Guard play... it hasn't been as bad as those clamoring for "interior OL" help make it out to be. Hopefully Arkin is at the weight room as we speak because I have high hopes for him.

Glad Paul didn't take an early OG in his mock.

I agree. If only Costa were an inch or two taller and 20 lbs heavier. :)

D-Unit
11-21-2011, 05:10 PM
I agree. If only Costa were an inch or two taller and 20 lbs heavier. :)
I think there is something to be said about Costa looking good in practice against Jay Ratliff. Being able to handle the size of smaller DTs, but against bigger DTs, the results are not the same.

Macarthur
11-22-2011, 11:59 AM
Ta'amy is very powerful. Technique not great so there's room to get even better .

YOu know, I love the idea of a huge DT early but in the video of this guy I've seen, he does not appear to be as dominate as his size would indicate.

He does a good job of pushing the pocket back, but gets pushed back some in the run game. That's exactly opposite from what you might think. Does anyone have some video that proves me wrong?

Macarthur
11-22-2011, 12:01 PM
Chapman actually looks to hold the point of attack better and the clips I saw, Chapman is playing against much better competition.

Macarthur
11-22-2011, 12:25 PM
Also, I know Cliff Harris has some off the field issues, but he sure seems to fit the bill. A great punt returner, too.

D-Unit
11-22-2011, 06:17 PM
Also, I know Cliff Harris has some off the field issues, but he sure seems to fit the bill. A great punt returner, too.
I'm fully aboard drafting a nickel corner type, and he's one of the ones who I think fits the bill.

Others on my radar are Brandon Boykin and Greg Reid. Between those 3 guys, I would love to add one to the team. Scandrick still gets worked in the slot from time to time.

I like them in this order.... Boykin, Reid, Harris.

D-Unit
11-22-2011, 08:44 PM
Dallas Cowboys Mock Draft 4.0

Round 1 - QB Tyler Wilson, Arkansas

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Arkansas+v+Texas+zgQL5zdHm4Wl.jpg

Thanks to being a frequent poster on this board, I've been educated on the skills that this young man possess and I'm hopping on the bandwagon. Grabbing the kid now while he is green is perfect time for pickin'. We don't need him yet, but we can certainly groom him until he's ripe. You can bet that Jerry Jones is already well aware of this QB prospect hailing from his own alma mater.


Round 2 - CB Johnathan Banks, Mississippi St

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1110/ncf_u_jonathanbanks_cmg_600.jpg

In my last mock I had us taking him in Round 3, but that's just unrealistic. If Banks comes out as a Junior, he could even rise up to the 1st round. However, I feel comfortable with our chances of drafting him here for now. Love everything about him as he is my #1 on my CB wish list.


Round 3 - C Ben Jones, Georgia

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Ben_Jones_Celebration.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Georgia+v+Georgia+Tech+5q2_iROMIIkl.jpg
http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/111029_ben_jones_georgia.nbcsports-story-612.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/68/fullj.a3bf2251238666192c14aaf4042dd05d/a3bf2251238666192c14aaf4042dd05d-getty-130769955.jpg

Hell, just looking at some of his google pics, you can tell that there is some real fire in this dude's belly. Borderline crazy! haha. I like that in OL. Especially at C where the middle of the trenches can be fierce like no where else on the field. Center is the most important position on the OL and it's really not that close. Adding a passionate attitude pivot man like him can exude over to the rest of the offense and if every player fought with fire in their belly like him, we'd go from a good offense to a dominant one. It's all about attitude.


Round 4 - CB Greg Reid, Florida State

http://www.6magazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/TD-Greg-Reid-FSU1.jpg

Reid has displayed shades of Devin Hester in the return game and that alone makes him worth this draft spot. Toss in the legit CB skills he has, and I can see him thriving as a nickel CB in the NFL. It's not a downgrade to be a nickel CB these days as some of the most quick twitch lightning bolt WRs are taking on that role. Reid has the athleticism and same quick twitch ability to keep up.


Round 5 - TE Rhett Ellison, USC

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregonian/photo/2011/11/10276614-essay.jpg

Ellison is one of the best blocking TEs in college football imo, and is no slouch when given the ball from time to time either. An excellent utility player and x factor type guy. Puts his hard hat on everyday and you can count on him giving his all on every play... unlike Martellus, who I don't see coming back as he enters FA. So this position could use addressing.


Round 6 - DT Tydreke Powell, UNC

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2008/12/27/2008565269.jpg

Tydreke Powell is would go from a late round prospect to a first round prospect if the only thing he did was put on 5-10 more pounds. At 6'3, 315 and the frame to put on more, Tydreke can be a late round gem because he's got everything else. His job gets little recogition, but both DEs on that line have benefitted as both Quinton Coples and Donte Paige-Moss are high on scouts radars. You could even track the high attraction that Zach Brown and Kevin Reddick are getting back to the production UNC is getting from the big man in the middle of the trenches. Definitely worth a flyer here.

Round 7 - S Janzen Jackson, Former Tennessee player

http://media.govolsxtra.com/media/img/photos/2010/10/01/100110brown_t607.jpg

Once a top player and draft prospect at the safety position, Jackson left the team this past year for personal reasons. A late round pick here is certainly worth the chance that he could end up a late round steal. He's instinctive and able to deliver knock out blows. I sure do miss that enforcing "intimidating" factor that we used to have.

Witten4HOF
11-22-2011, 08:56 PM
YOu know, I love the idea of a huge DT early but in the video of this guy I've seen, he does not appear to be as dominate as his size would indicate.

He does a good job of pushing the pocket back, but gets pushed back some in the run game. That's exactly opposite from what you might think. Does anyone have some video that proves me wrong?

His issues aren't strength/size related, they are technique problems that can easily be corrected on the next level. People seem to forget that he was scouted out of highschool as an OG not NT and he is still pretty raw in his basic fundementals.

It is pretty hard to see on any of the highlight clips, but he tends to fire off the ball with a narrow base which allows lineman to knock him off balance especially when fighting against the double team. He is primarily a bull rusher who has yet to develop power rips and swim moves to split defenders and as he tires he tends to stand tall instead of driving low maintaining his strength.

An NFL conditioning program coupled with some coaching / veteran mentorship will square him away into a solid play maker IMO. I think he has Vince Wilfork type potential.

princefielder28
11-22-2011, 09:16 PM
Wilson is gonna be a Top 5 pick if he declares...here's a post I made yesterday

the more I watch of Wilson (and I'm already a huge fan) the more tempted I am to put him ahead of Andrew Luck and may even vault him to the #1 prospect spot...he's got the arm strength (can literally make every throw), his deep balls don't drift like Luck/RGIII, has mobility (not RGIII caliber but he's got the ability to escape pressure and move around in the pocket), and he's becoming better week-in and week-out on reading defenses and determining where to go with the football (which he was absolutely spot on with in the Mississippi State game)


I think the more that teams sit down and watch his game action throughout the season, the more they'll learn to love his game and eventually he'll vault to the #2 QB spot on most teams' big boards...I have a strong feeling by the time April rolls around and assuming Wilson declares, he'll be my #1 prospect overall

D-Unit, how do you rate the potential corners for this draft???

D-Unit
11-22-2011, 09:35 PM
Wilson is gonna be a Top 5 pick if he declares...here's a post I made yesterday



I think the more that teams sit down and watch his game action throughout the season, the more they'll learn to love his game and eventually he'll vault to the #2 QB spot on most teams' big boards...I have a strong feeling by the time April rolls around and assuming Wilson declares, he'll be my #1 prospect overall

D-Unit, how do you rate the potential corners for this draft???

Well, I know you have that opinion of Wilson but his body of work is still very small and you can't honestly say he'll be picked in the top 5 now without some question. Once his game gets dissected I don't think he'll go higher than Barkley or Griffin. The hype machine is just starting so there's no certainty behind any projections at this point in the process... But you can and will find people willing to step up early and make bold predictions so that they can later say they were there at the beginning. ;)

I'm more impressed with the depth of this year's cb class than I am of the first round names. I also think FA will be kind to teams in need of cbs.

princefielder28
11-22-2011, 09:45 PM
I think further dissection of his game will help him more than it will hurt, especially when comparing him to RGIII (who I feel will be hurt when people go back and watch the film on him more)...Wilson has the strongest arm out of any of the quarterback prospects that we're discussing at the top of this draft, he's got ideal size for the position, he's got good pocket presence and like I mentioned in the post above he can work his way out of the pocket if necessary, and his ability to break down defenses prior to the snap and reading them has improved to a point where it is one of his greatest strengths. Although his experience is limited, the amount of improvement he's made this season has to make one think that the sky is the limit for him. And I'm not trying to "that guy" who goes out on a limb by suggesting something out of the norm, I truly believe we're looking at an absolute stud of a quarterback in the making.

Witten4HOF
11-23-2011, 04:28 AM
http://www.kcconfidential.com/userfiles/image/Brandon's%20Pics/11_16robert-griffin-iii.jpg

#18 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
Why he'll be there: An abundace of QB prospects available in the first round including Luck, Wilson, Barkley, Landry Jones, and Tannehill force the least of the "pro ready" QB's down to #18.

Why he won't be there: RGIII adds a completely differen't demension to the QB position with his ability to extend plays with his legs, while maintaining the ability to hit open WR. Teams look at the success of Cam Newton and attempt to duplicate the results by selecting Griffin.

Immediate impact: Griffin is afforded the ability to learn a pro style offense at his own pace while Romo continues to start until his contract expires in 2014 or is traded. JG develops a wildcat package to allow Griffin to have some time on the field and adds a change up to the conventional play calling.

Long term Goal: Griffin will be groomed to be the heir apparent to Romo only adding to the young offensive core of Dez, Murray and Tyron Smith, along with Vets J-Witten, Miles Austin and Robinson.

http:// img.fanbase.com/media.fanbase.com/8/15933/4ea5fe7a5ba004396ab4b32ceebb252ce44c6f14.jpg?x=593&y=625&sig=718cc1f2a65caa4cdb10c135a71169cb

Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M
Why he'll be there: Although Judie only has only been playing football since his senior year of highschool he displays a good natural feel for the game. An explosive athlete who has great leaping ability and ability to close out a Wr. Shows the ability to spy in the backfield and track the ball in the air in zone coverage. In man coverage he has a nice back pedal and can sit in the back pocket of his man. As good a Judie can be, he is still very raw and not ready for a starting job yet. Needs to work on his upperbody strength and ability to work out of bump and run coverage. Also, is very susceptible to double moves and pump fake, he concentrates more on making a big play rather than shadowing his man.

Why he won't be there: Judie displays enough proimise that a good team at the end of the first round could afford to roll the dice and stash him on the bench for a season or two until he was ready to compete for a starting job.

Immeditate impact: Judie has experience as a return man and it wouldn't be a stretch to have him cover kicks and punts as well. Could also contribute in dime coverage and possibly get some time at FS.

Long Term goal: Judie's physical abilities and his ball hawking ability would make him ideal at either the CB or FS postion.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/photo_images/3868736/59767_Mississippi_St_Memphis_Football.jpg

Dontari Poe NT Memphis,
Why he'll be there: He is a big Fish in a small pond at Memphis and may get the itch to leave early. He is a classic 2 gap run stuffer with above average mobility for his size. When he uses leverage correctly he an consistantly collapse the pocket and can use a decent rip /spin combo to seperate from blockers. Poe needs better conditioning and discipline in his technique to remain effective at the next level.

Why he won't be there: There is always an abundance of teams looking for true nose tackles in the draft and will reach on the chance to get the next best run stuffer. They will overlook the fact that his play is enhanced by weak competition and the fact that his motor can run hot to cold. Very similar game to MT Cody in the fact that he can dominate one game and disappear the next.

Immeditate impact: A reserve position at NT and the ability to move Ratliff around in formations to take advantage of the offenses weaknesses.

Future Goal: A perminate starter at nose tackle, finally giving the team a body to jam the middle of the line and occupy blockers.


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Rokevious Watkins G South Carolina,
Why he'll be there: Former Juco transfer who is paving the way for Lattimore and company. Great run blocker who shows a nice punch and a nasty streak to drive defenders off of the ball. Watkins isn't a great athlete, but he shows adequate leg bend when fighting off defenders in a phone booth.

Why he wont be there: Everyone has there eyes on Lattimore and the more success he continues to have, the more eyes will be on the line. Watkins is currently playing right tackle but will struggle against speed rushers due to his lack of recovery speed. Teams will recognize this and focus their efforts on his ability at guard, where he is the best fit.

Immediate impact: Reserve Lineman with some versatility to play tackle in a pinch.

Long Term Goal: Eventual replacement for Montrea Holland.


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George Iloke S Boise State

Why he will be there: Iloke is having a quiet season, but has good size and the ability to play either safety position.

Why he won't be there: Some team may be intruiged by his versatility and solid mesurables, may go as high as the fourth round.

Imediate impact: Special Teams / Sub packages

Long Term goal: Possible Key Reserve



Kyle Wilber OLB Wake Forest

Why he is there: Solid player with a great motor but not a great athlete

Why he wont be there: Having a great season, already has 10+ tfl

Immediate impact: Special Teams

Long Term: Key Reserve



Matt Conrath de Virginia

Why he will be there: sub par athlete, small for a 5 tech

Why he won't: he will lol

Immediate impact: Special teams

Long term: practice squad

D-Unit
11-23-2011, 09:14 AM
Hey Wittten,
Nice write up! FYI, in order to get images to show up, click on the icon with the mountains and moon on it and put the link in there.

Witten4HOF
11-23-2011, 12:48 PM
Hey Wittten,
Nice write up! FYI, in order to get images to show up, click on the icon with the mountains and moon on it and put the link in there.

Thanks for the info

chrlopez1
11-24-2011, 12:47 AM
I know it's early, but it's nice to start seeing players for next year.

I think S and OL are our best bets for 1st round.

QB- Darkhouse- I think if one is there you can take him. I think JJ made a big mistake taking McGee. We need somebody to groom.

RB- None...

FB - None

DL - I think we have enough bodies....rounds 4-7

OL - I could see us grabbing one in Round 2-7

WR- Resign Robinson and we are set.

TE - Bennett is out...I like Phillips and maybe another one drafted

CB - I think we could take one in round 1...i like Butler. Newman..50/50

SS/FS - We need to take one at least 1.

LB- Do we lose both Spencer and James? I think we need to also draft one.

What do u guys think/

dsc1600
11-24-2011, 07:03 PM
You just don't take a QB in the 1st round with Romo still your guy. Just from a PR perspective, the moment Romo starts playing "funny football", the fanbase will be crying for the backup.

IMHO, our needs are big in the following positions:

CB: Big time need as Newman is rapidly becoming a JAG, and Jenkins hasn't boucned back like some of us thought he would from last year's bad season.

Interior OL: Not a sexy pick, but Kosier and Holland could both stand an upgrade if there is Round 1 talent out there

S: I like what we have now, but who's to say we can resign both plus neither guy is an All-Pro

OLB: Spencer is just average as a pass rusher, we could use an upgrade, and we probably lose him anyway.

I think a QB to groom is down the list from the above, in the second TE or 4th WR category. I'd start looking for one in the 3rd round at best.

D-Unit
11-25-2011, 05:03 PM
You just don't take a QB in the 1st round with Romo still your guy. Just from a PR perspective, the moment Romo starts playing "funny football", the fanbase will be crying for the backup.

IMHO, our needs are big in the following positions:

CB: Big time need as Newman is rapidly becoming a JAG, and Jenkins hasn't boucned back like some of us thought he would from last year's bad season.

Interior OL: Not a sexy pick, but Kosier and Holland could both stand an upgrade if there is Round 1 talent out there

S: I like what we have now, but who's to say we can resign both plus neither guy is an All-Pro

OLB: Spencer is just average as a pass rusher, we could use an upgrade, and we probably lose him anyway.

I think a QB to groom is down the list from the above, in the second TE or 4th WR category. I'd start looking for one in the 3rd round at best.
It's really too fluid to know right now. I've been a strong proponent for drafting a QB, but OBVIOUSLY I think the right QB has to be available. We shouldn't reach for one by any means. Nor should we take one that has fringe star power.... like Tannehill. We can afford to take one if a really good prospect falls in our laps (Griffin/Wilson). If they aren't there then targeting more immediate needs makes sense.

Although, I can't convince myself that OG/C is 1st round worthy. I'd be happy with a worthy CB, NT or OLB.

pocketaces
11-26-2011, 08:09 PM
Can somebody tell a computer novice how to post a pic without the link showing? I copied the url and pasted it into the mountain button but only a link shows up, no pic. :(

Paul
11-26-2011, 08:21 PM
Can somebody tell a computer novice how to post a pic without the link showing? I copied the url and pasted it into the mountain button but only a link shows up, no pic. :(

Most likely there were some other characters after the end of the where it has the format of the pic (.gif,jpeg, png etc). If there any letters, symbols or numbers after the format delete it all.

pocketaces
11-26-2011, 08:27 PM
Most likely there were some other characters after the end of the where it has the format of the pic (.gif,jpeg, png etc). If there any letters, symbols or numbers after the format delete it all.

So where do most people find their pics? Yahoo, Google? When I copy the link its like a mile long. lol I wouldnt know what to cut off haha. Told you Im a novice (shrugs)

D-Unit
11-26-2011, 08:28 PM
So where do most people find their pics? Yahoo, Google? When I copy the link its like a mile long. lol I wouldnt know what to cut off haha. Told you Im a novice (shrugs)
Quote somebody's post that has an image in it. You'll see how it's done.

pocketaces
11-26-2011, 08:38 PM
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Ryan+Broyles/Tostitos+Fiesta+Bowl+Connecticut+v+Oklahoma/xzd-ToOPUu6

LOL, D? are you seeing a pic? All Im seeing is a little blue ? Can you quote me to see what I did wrong? Sorry for being a pest!!

Witten4HOF
11-26-2011, 11:10 PM
QB- Robert Griffin, Baylor
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M

RB/WR/TE- I wouldn't expect any of these positions to be considered even in a BPA situation. Jerry would probably be primed for a trade down.

OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford

OG David Decastro, Stanford
Cordy Glenn, Georgia

C- None

NT- Alameda Ta'amu Washington
Dontari Poe, Memphis

DE- Devon Still, Penn State
Kendall Reyes, Connecticut
Jared Crick, Nebraska

ILB- Manti Te'o Norte Dame
Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State

OLB- Courtney Upshaw Alabama

CB- Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama
Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama

FS- Markelle Martin, OSU

SS- Mark Barron, Alabama

This really isn't in any type order yet, just a primliminary list of players that would fit schematically. I purposely left out the players that are considered top ten locks at this point. Feel free to add some names or dispute names that are there.

Paul
11-26-2011, 11:57 PM
Looking at that list, I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and picking up a 1st rounder in 2013

Witten4HOF
11-27-2011, 12:02 AM
Looking at that list, I wouldn't be opposed to trading down and picking up a 1st rounder in 2013

I agree, there isnt a huge drop in talent, plenty of value at corner, safety and interior line through out round two and three.

pocketaces
11-27-2011, 01:43 AM
My mock without pics ;(

Round 1: Devon Still DE 6-5 311, Finally a big time DE comes back to Dallas.
Thus far has 53 Tackles, 16.5 for a loss and 4 sacks. Has at least 1 tackle for a loss in EVERY game this year.

Round 2: Stephon Gilmore CB 6-1 190. Offers great value for mid to late 2nd round. Needs to be more consistent but has shown flashes of being a big time play maker. 4.45 guy

Round 3: Vinny Curry OLB Marshall 6-4 250. May be gone by this point, has terrific stats including 20 tackles for loss and 11 sacks despite teams game planning for him. Also has forced 6 fumbles and blocked a couple of kicks. Very athletic, runs a 4.6 and would be awesome on the other side of Ware.

Round 4: Trumain Johnson S Montana 6-2 200. Off the field issues will cause him to slide a bit but is the ballhawk we need in our secondary. This season he has 40 tackles with 4.5 tackles for a loss and 10 passes broken up. 13 career interceptions including at least two pick sixes, runs a 4.5 40.

Round 5: Garth Gerhart C/G, Arizona State 6-1 305. Adds Depth to the OL. Brother of Toby Gerhart adds more athietcism to our line.

Round 6: Adrien Cole ILB, Louisiana Tech 5-11, 250. Very productive ILB. Was week 12 WAC Defensive player of the week with 17 tackles. he has 91 tackles with 10.5 tackles for a loss, one sack and three blocked kicks so far this season.

Round 7: BPA

I went heavy on D but I think we need the talent. Lets have some feedback, what do you guys think of this draft?

Witten4HOF
11-27-2011, 01:59 AM
My mock without pics ;(

Round 1: Devon Still DE 6-5 311, Finally a big time DE comes back to Dallas.
Thus far has 53 Tackles, 16.5 for a loss and 4 sacks. Has at least 1 tackle for a loss in EVERY game this year.

Round 2: Stephon Gilmore CB 6-1 190. Offers great value for mid to late 2nd round. Needs to be more consistent but has shown flashes of being a big time play maker. 4.45 guy

Round 3: Vinny Curry OLB Marshall 6-4 250. May be gone by this point, has terrific stats including 20 tackles for loss and 11 sacks despite teams game planning for him. Also has forced 6 fumbles and blocked a couple of kicks. Very athletic, runs a 4.6 and would be awesome on the other side of Ware.

Round 4: Trumain Johnson S Montana 6-2 200. Off the field issues will cause him to slide a bit but is the ballhawk we need in our secondary. This season he has 40 tackles with 4.5 tackles for a loss and 10 passes broken up. 13 career interceptions including at least two pick sixes, runs a 4.5 40.

Round 5: Garth Gerhart C/G, Arizona State 6-1 305. Adds Depth to the OL. Brother of Toby Gerhart adds more athietcism to our line.

Round 6: Adrien Cole ILB, Louisiana Tech 5-11, 250. Very productive ILB. Was week 12 WAC Defensive player of the week with 17 tackles. he has 91 tackles with 10.5 tackles for a loss, one sack and three blocked kicks so far this season.

Round 7: BPA

I went heavy on D but I think we need the talent. Lets have some feedback, what do you guys think of this draft?

I can dig it, Johnson is probably going to get a legit look at CB as well, he reminds me of a poor mans Antonio Cromartie.

Im a big fan of Gilmore and his physical style of play, but gets lost on plays which scares me with Ryans tendency to let the corners sit out on islands.

D-Unit
11-27-2011, 03:48 AM
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Ryan+Broyles/Tostitos+Fiesta+Bowl+Connecticut+v+Oklahoma/xzd-ToOPUu6

LOL, D? are you seeing a pic? All Im seeing is a little blue ? Can you quote me to see what I did wrong? Sorry for being a pest!!
Your link needs to end in a .jpg or .gif or .png

right click the image and copy the url.

Paul
11-27-2011, 09:24 AM
My mock without pics ;(

Round 1: Devon Still DE 6-5 311, Finally a big time DE comes back to Dallas.
Thus far has 53 Tackles, 16.5 for a loss and 4 sacks. Has at least 1 tackle for a loss in EVERY game this year.

Round 2: Stephon Gilmore CB 6-1 190. Offers great value for mid to late 2nd round. Needs to be more consistent but has shown flashes of being a big time play maker. 4.45 guy

Round 3: Vinny Curry OLB Marshall 6-4 250. May be gone by this point, has terrific stats including 20 tackles for loss and 11 sacks despite teams game planning for him. Also has forced 6 fumbles and blocked a couple of kicks. Very athletic, runs a 4.6 and would be awesome on the other side of Ware.

Round 4: Trumain Johnson S Montana 6-2 200. Off the field issues will cause him to slide a bit but is the ballhawk we need in our secondary. This season he has 40 tackles with 4.5 tackles for a loss and 10 passes broken up. 13 career interceptions including at least two pick sixes, runs a 4.5 40.

Round 5: Garth Gerhart C/G, Arizona State 6-1 305. Adds Depth to the OL. Brother of Toby Gerhart adds more athietcism to our line.

Round 6: Adrien Cole ILB, Louisiana Tech 5-11, 250. Very productive ILB. Was week 12 WAC Defensive player of the week with 17 tackles. he has 91 tackles with 10.5 tackles for a loss, one sack and three blocked kicks so far this season.

Round 7: BPA

I went heavy on D but I think we need the talent. Lets have some feedback, what do you guys think of this draft?

Vinny Curry is a beast but he's been projected in the late first - mid 2nd in a lot of mocks lately, so we need some luck to get him in the late 3rd.

TheFinisher
11-27-2011, 09:33 AM
Yea, as long as Curry performs well at the Senior Bowl he should be a 1st Round lock... and is definitely someone I'd be interested in.

I'm all for giving Rob some new toys this draft, Secondary and the Pass Rush should both be addressed by the end of Round 3.

Paul
11-27-2011, 10:17 AM
Trade for 2012 2nd and 5th
2013 1st rounder

2. Chase Minniefield, CB
Assuming we get somewhere in the early 2nd with the trade. Great size, good instincts, not as talented as Janoris who I've had in a lot of my mocks, but still solid value here.

2. Kelechi Osemele, OG, Virgina
Been on this kid for awhile. I just imagine him and Tyron opening up gigantic holes for Murray for the next 5-7 years.

3. Kendall Reyes, DT/DE, Conneticut
Shooting up the boards right now. Just need some youth at the position.

4. Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas
Maybe he'll be here, or maybe not. This kid's speed is ridiculous. Most of our receivers can stretch the field pretty well, but adding Adams as our 4th WR could cause headaches for our opponents.

5. Jaquies Smith, DE/OLB
If he shows out at the combine, his stock will rise. Really like this kid

5. Charles Mitchell, S, Mississippi Stae
One of my sleepers who I love. Captain, smart and a great tackler. Don't know if he can start right away, but I could seem him being a Nick Collins type players

6. Jerry Franklin, ILB, Arkansas
Reached for him in the forum mock, but I like his speed around the field. Should be a special teams stud, and a viable option behind Lee and Carter at ILB.

7.BPA

D-Unit
11-27-2011, 10:46 AM
Trade for 2012 2nd and 5th
2013 1st rounder

2. Chase Minniefield, CB
Assuming we get somewhere in the early 2nd with the trade. Great size, good instincts, not as talented as Janoris who I've had in a lot of my mocks, but still solid value here.

2. Kelechi Osemele, OG, Virgina
Been on this kid for awhile. I just imagine him and Tyron opening up gigantic holes for Murray for the next 5-7 years.

3. Kendall Reyes, DT/DE, Conneticut
Shooting up the boards right now. Just need some youth at the position.

4. Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas
Maybe he'll be here, or maybe not. This kid's speed is ridiculous. Most of our receivers can stretch the field pretty well, but adding Adams as our 4th WR could cause headaches for our opponents.

5. Jaquies Smith, DE/OLB
If he shows out at the combine, his stock will rise. Really like this kid

5. Charles Mitchell, S, Mississippi Stae
One of my sleepers who I love. Captain, smart and a great tackler. Don't know if he can start right away, but I could seem him being a Nick Collins type players

6. Jerry Franklin, ILB, Arkansas
Reached for him in the forum mock, but I like his speed around the field. Should be a special teams stud, and a viable option behind Lee and Carter at ILB.

7.BPA
Really like 1-3, but you need to educate me on who 4-6 are. That'd be cool.

Especially love Minnifield. One of my fav CBs in this whole draft.

JBCX
11-27-2011, 11:09 AM
1. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU - Jerry Jones targets the top available CB in the draft to give Rob Ryan a shutdown cornerback after Terrence Newman moves on.

2. Mark Barron, S, Alabama - One of the top safeties falls to Dallas in the second round. Barron will be an excellent run-stopping, in-the-box safety in Rob Ryan's scheme.

3. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - The Cowboys get their Center of the future in the third round and promptly relegate Phil Costa to his more deserved role as a backup.

4. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford - Martellus Bennet has been disappointing, and who knows how long Jason Witten will play? Fleener has the potential to be a great TE for Tony Romo.

5. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin - Jerry double-dips on Wisconsin offensive linemen. The Cowboys will be extra-strong up front in the future with these big boys on their line, and Tyron Smith / Doug Free developing into Pro Bowlers.

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State - The Cowboys decide to take a developmental project in the later rounds to groom into a potential trade piece or successor to Tony Romo. Cousins is a winner with some limitations but also the potential to be a solid NFL QB.

7. Tony Dye, S, UCLA - Jerry decides to take a flier on a talented safety prospect in the 7th round. Dye can start out on special teams and then later have the opportunity to impress Rob Ryan in training camp and possibly earn a starting role.

CDCB14
11-27-2011, 11:19 AM
1. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU - Jerry Jones targets the top available CB in the draft to give Rob Ryan a shutdown cornerback after Terrence Newman moves on.

2. Mark Barron, S, Alabama - One of the top safeties falls to Dallas in the second round. Barron will be an excellent run-stopping, in-the-box safety in Rob Ryan's scheme.

3. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - The Cowboys get their Center of the future in the third round and promptly relegate Phil Costa to his more deserved role as a backup.

4. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford - Martellus Bennet has been disappointing, and who knows how long Jason Witten will play? Fleener has the potential to be a great TE for Tony Romo.

5. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin - Jerry double-dips on Wisconsin offensive linemen. The Cowboys will be extra-strong up front in the future with these big boys on their line, and Tyron Smith / Doug Free developing into Pro Bowlers.

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State - The Cowboys decide to take a developmental project in the later rounds to groom into a potential trade piece or successor to Tony Romo. Cousins is a winner with some limitations but also the potential to be a solid NFL QB.

7. Tony Dye, S, UCLA - Jerry decides to take a flier on a talented safety prospect in the 7th round. Dye can start out on special teams and then later have the opportunity to impress Rob Ryan in training camp and possibly earn a starting role.

That actually is one hell of a draft for us. The one thing I would change is kirk cousins. If i'm taking a late round QB, my philosophy is to take a guy with good physical tools but needs to develop as a QB. Cousins is the opposite. Their is no point in taking a bus driver (I know, sometimes that is a good thing) that late in the draft. Those picks are for flyers on guys with talent, in my opinion.

Good draft though, i'd be happy with that in April.

princefielder28
11-27-2011, 11:35 AM
1. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU - Jerry Jones targets the top available CB in the draft to give Rob Ryan a shutdown cornerback after Terrence Newman moves on.

2. Mark Barron, S, Alabama - One of the top safeties falls to Dallas in the second round. Barron will be an excellent run-stopping, in-the-box safety in Rob Ryan's scheme.

3. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - The Cowboys get their Center of the future in the third round and promptly relegate Phil Costa to his more deserved role as a backup.

4. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford - Martellus Bennet has been disappointing, and who knows how long Jason Witten will play? Fleener has the potential to be a great TE for Tony Romo.

5. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin - Jerry double-dips on Wisconsin offensive linemen. The Cowboys will be extra-strong up front in the future with these big boys on their line, and Tyron Smith / Doug Free developing into Pro Bowlers.

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State - The Cowboys decide to take a developmental project in the later rounds to groom into a potential trade piece or successor to Tony Romo. Cousins is a winner with some limitations but also the potential to be a solid NFL QB.

7. Tony Dye, S, UCLA - Jerry decides to take a flier on a talented safety prospect in the 7th round. Dye can start out on special teams and then later have the opportunity to impress Rob Ryan in training camp and possibly earn a starting role.

Peter Konz will be a Top 40 pick as the best center in this draft, if he declares, and Kevin Zeitler has proved this season that he is probably the second best guard, only behind DeCastro; he absolutely shut down Devon Still yesterday and has been dominant all season. And I don't know how high you see yourselves picking but Claiborne has been the best defensive back in the country this year and I'd be shocked if he fell out of the top 15.

Paul
11-27-2011, 11:57 AM
1. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU - Jerry Jones targets the top available CB in the draft to give Rob Ryan a shutdown cornerback after Terrence Newman moves on.

2. Mark Barron, S, Alabama - One of the top safeties falls to Dallas in the second round. Barron will be an excellent run-stopping, in-the-box safety in Rob Ryan's scheme.

3. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - The Cowboys get their Center of the future in the third round and promptly relegate Phil Costa to his more deserved role as a backup.

4. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford - Martellus Bennet has been disappointing, and who knows how long Jason Witten will play? Fleener has the potential to be a great TE for Tony Romo.

5. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin - Jerry double-dips on Wisconsin offensive linemen. The Cowboys will be extra-strong up front in the future with these big boys on their line, and Tyron Smith / Doug Free developing into Pro Bowlers.

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State - The Cowboys decide to take a developmental project in the later rounds to groom into a potential trade piece or successor to Tony Romo. Cousins is a winner with some limitations but also the potential to be a solid NFL QB.

7. Tony Dye, S, UCLA - Jerry decides to take a flier on a talented safety prospect in the 7th round. Dye can start out on special teams and then later have the opportunity to impress Rob Ryan in training camp and possibly earn a starting role.

Jesus. That's a dream scenario. Like a real dream. Because a lot of those players will not be available at those spots.

pocketaces
11-27-2011, 12:34 PM
Jesus. That's a dream scenario. Like a real dream. Because a lot of those players will not be available at those spots.

Yup, would be an awesome draft though lol

Scott Wright
11-27-2011, 07:41 PM
1. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU - Jerry Jones targets the top available CB in the draft to give Rob Ryan a shutdown cornerback after Terrence Newman moves on.

2. Mark Barron, S, Alabama - One of the top safeties falls to Dallas in the second round. Barron will be an excellent run-stopping, in-the-box safety in Rob Ryan's scheme.

3. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin - The Cowboys get their Center of the future in the third round and promptly relegate Phil Costa to his more deserved role as a backup.

4. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford - Martellus Bennet has been disappointing, and who knows how long Jason Witten will play? Fleener has the potential to be a great TE for Tony Romo.

5. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin - Jerry double-dips on Wisconsin offensive linemen. The Cowboys will be extra-strong up front in the future with these big boys on their line, and Tyron Smith / Doug Free developing into Pro Bowlers.

6. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State - The Cowboys decide to take a developmental project in the later rounds to groom into a potential trade piece or successor to Tony Romo. Cousins is a winner with some limitations but also the potential to be a solid NFL QB.

7. Tony Dye, S, UCLA - Jerry decides to take a flier on a talented safety prospect in the 7th round. Dye can start out on special teams and then later have the opportunity to impress Rob Ryan in training camp and possibly earn a starting role.

Just wondering how the Cowboys are going to get a Top 5 overall pick for Claiborne and an extra first rounder for Barron, who will be a Top 25 pick? :o)

Giantsfan1080
11-27-2011, 07:45 PM
Not to mention that Fleener will be gone by the 4th. Terrible mock.

D-Unit
11-27-2011, 10:26 PM
Shoot, There's more talk about this mock than then all of mine combined! Lol

I'm jealous. :)

JBCX
11-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Just wondering how the Cowboys are going to get a Top 5 overall pick for Claiborne and an extra first rounder for Barron, who will be a Top 25 pick? :o)

Jerry Jones greases some palms?

Also, I thought most draftniks had Barron as a 2nd round prospect. He's not exactly an elite cover safety and those typically fall out of the first round, no?

And CBs, even ones as great as Claiborne, rarely go top 5. I see Claiborne as more of a top 10-15 guy, which is in range for a Dallas trade-up.

D-Unit
11-28-2011, 11:55 PM
Jerry Jones greases some palms?

Also, I thought most draftniks had Barron as a 2nd round prospect. He's not exactly an elite cover safety and those typically fall out of the first round, no?

And CBs, even ones as great as Claiborne, rarely go top 5. I see Claiborne as more of a top 10-15 guy, which is in range for a Dallas trade-up.
Good for you for sticking to your beliefs. You should've said Claiborne was a trade-up candidate to be clearer.

So with that said.... If we trade up... it better be for a QB. Not a CB. Class is too deep to trade up for one. Especially since he's not elite. This class lacks an elite CB like Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis, etc etc.

Macarthur
11-30-2011, 10:38 AM
Here's a name to remember for maybe the 5th or 6th round.

http://www.clemsontigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/diehl_chad01.html

Trogdor
11-30-2011, 11:05 AM
We better not trade up period. Our immediate needs are interior OL, CB, and future S. QB can be those project types as it is a need for about 5 years from now :P

But yeah. Barron in the first is funny. He isn't an elite guy and definitely doesn't have the 'ball-hawk' attributed to 1st round safeties. I wouldn't even have him on our board for the first round.

As long as Fia recovers (which he is reportedly back to working out) I severely doubt we take a FB. He's done really well truth be told.

Paul
11-30-2011, 11:09 AM
I'm still in favor of trading down. There's still good value at CB and OG in the early to mid 2nd.

D-Unit
11-30-2011, 12:32 PM
Here's a name to remember for maybe the 5th or 6th round.

http://www.clemsontigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/diehl_chad01.html
I just hope Fiammetta comes back healthy. What a tease he has been.

D-Unit
11-30-2011, 12:32 PM
I'm still in favor of trading down. There's still good value at CB and OG in the early to mid 2nd.
I don't remember that being discussed but yeah, I would definitely agree.

TheFinisher
11-30-2011, 03:03 PM
Where's Dontari Poe's stock at right now? Memphis isn't exactly the most televised team...

princefielder28
11-30-2011, 03:58 PM
Where's Dontari Poe's stock at right now? Memphis isn't exactly the most televised team...

i'd say he's a mid 2nd round guy at this point. Scott has had him mocked in the first (even around the middle of the first) and to go that high you need to dominate at the college level, which he hasn't exactly done at Memphis. He's a big man with very good athleticism for his size so there's a team, or several teams, that will want to try and maximize his potential.

D-Unit
11-30-2011, 04:48 PM
i'd say he's a mid 2nd round guy at this point. Scott has had him mocked in the first (even around the middle of the first) and to go that high you need to dominate at the college level, which he hasn't exactly done at Memphis. He's a big man with very good athleticism for his size so there's a team, or several teams, that will want to try and maximize his potential.
Who do you like between Poe and Ta'amu?

Witten4HOF
11-30-2011, 11:28 PM
Who do you like between Poe and Ta'amu?

Just an interesting tab bit I saw looking at some scouting reports... Scouts Inc compared Poe's game quiet favorably to Phil Taylor who I was hoping to draft and is having a very solid season in Cleveland. I'll post both scouting reports for anyone interested.

princefielder28
12-01-2011, 07:01 AM
Who do you like between Poe and Ta'amu?

Poe...Ta'amu got completely shut down when he went up against David DeCastro this year and when I look at prospects I feel that's the best way to judge how good they could potentially be, when they go up against someone who considered equally as goodor even better, which in this case DeCastro proved to be far better. I wish I could watch more of Poe to get a better idea at this point, and when it comes to the DT class for this draft I'm having a hard time liking any one of them alot

dsc1600
12-01-2011, 08:31 AM
Trading down is easier said than done. I fear Jerrah getting super cute with the extra picks and getting nothing in return like 2009.

Much of this need talk will be informed by what knocks us out of the playoffs (or worst case, the playoff race), whether it be the secondary being torched, the lack of pass rush or the O line getting trampled on.

Macarthur
12-01-2011, 09:33 AM
Poe...Ta'amu got completely shut down when he went up against David DeCastro this year and when I look at prospects I feel that's the best way to judge how good they could potentially be, when they go up against someone who considered equally as goodor even better, which in this case DeCastro proved to be far better. I wish I could watch more of Poe to get a better idea at this point, and when it comes to the DT class for this draft I'm having a hard time liking any one of them alot

From what I've seen of Ta'amu, he seems to be on roller skates in the fun game much more than he should be at his size.

princefielder28
12-01-2011, 10:39 AM
From what I've seen of Ta'amu, he seems to be on roller skates in the fun game much more than he should be at his size.

Ranking the senior defensive tackles (note: I think Poe and Wrothy should stay in school and continue to develop bc they haven't been as dominant as I'd like to see but the potential is there to be really good)

1. Billy Wynn : Boise State - He's been a solid player for what seems like forever at Boise State...doesn't necessarily have the ceiling of some of the guys listed below but I think he has one of the higher floors in the draft...I think he works his way into the middle of the 2nd and should be that way

2. Devon Still : Penn State - He struggled significantly against Wisconsin but I don't think the front seven is as good as years past and the Badgers were able to expolit that. I don't see him as anything higher than a Top 45 player though.

3. Derek Wolfe : Cincinnati - Wolfe has great size/athleticism mix for the position and provides scheme flexibility...I don't see enough love for him in the draft community...a guy that could very well be taken in the bottom third of the 2nd round, maybe into the high 3rd

4. Jared Crick : Nebraska - A pectoral injury derailed his season and his game play wasn't too impressive early on, much like he started 2010, but his a very talented player, another guy with scheme flexibility, and the injury shouldn't affect his long term health/durability...I'd say another low 2nd, high 3rd round guy

5. Kendall Reyes : UCONN - He's another one of the guys in the draft, much like the three above him, that's a good athlete for a big guy and has scheme versatility. He's a leader and a guy that has produced throughout his time at UCONN...I'd put him in the middle of the 3rd round

6. Alameda Ta'amu : Washington - I mentioned earlier how I like Poe better than him and he did struggle against DeCastro this year, but he is one of the few nose tackles in this draft and has ability as a run stuffer...I rate him as a bottom of the 3rd round type guy who's more of a rotational player

One guy I was really impressed with when watching the Clemson v. South Carolina game this weekend was Clemson DL Rennie Moore...He's a good athlete but slightly undersized to play inside, but I see him as a guy with potential to be a 5-tech who can put pressure on the quarterback

Macarthur
12-05-2011, 09:54 AM
Based on that crap we saw in AZ last night:

1. Interior OL, Interior OL & Interior OL!!!!!!

2. CB.

D-Unit
12-11-2011, 10:59 PM
I didn't get a chance to say it last week, but I want Jerel Worthy. He would've helped us tonight. Dude is a beast and we need interior defensive line presence in the worst way.

bigmac076
12-12-2011, 09:01 AM
Based on that crap we saw in AZ last night:

1. Interior OL, Interior OL & Interior OL!!!!!!

2. CB.

Based on that 400 yard performance from Eli:

1. CB

2. CB

JBCX
12-12-2011, 09:05 AM
Jerry will target Morris Claiborne in the draft. He'll trade up if he has to.

Book it.

Paul
12-12-2011, 11:21 AM
Well we played ourselves back into Dre Kirpatrick range I think.

D-Unit
12-12-2011, 11:41 AM
Well we played ourselves back into Dre Kirpatrick range I think.
I think I like him more as a Safety.

D-Unit
12-12-2011, 11:41 AM
Jerry will target Morris Claiborne in the draft. He'll trade up if he has to.

Book it.
I certainly hope not.

D-Unit
12-12-2011, 11:44 AM
Based on that 400 yard performance from Eli:

1. DEFENSE
2. DEFENSE
Fixed it. :)

Seriously... it's not just them, although it was pretty sickening to watch.

Eli stayed clean in the pocket and the OL held up nicely against us all night. I wish we could've had more pressure.

JBCX
12-12-2011, 11:46 AM
I certainly hope not.

You don't want the consensus #1 CB in the draft?

Macarthur
12-12-2011, 11:52 AM
Fixed it. :)

Seriously... it's not just them, although it was pretty sickening to watch.

Eli stayed clean in the pocket and the OL held up nicely against us all night. I wish we could've had more pressure.

Yep. How does a team with a banged up OL throw the ball 47 times and not give up a single sack?

I've got a hot sports opinion - What type of value would D Ware bring? Could you get two one's for him?

I love D Ware as much as anyone (even have his jersey), but other than NO a couple of years ago, I don't remember him making a single play when the game is on the line.

Paul
12-12-2011, 11:55 AM
Why does everyone want to trade everyone now a days?

M.O.T.H.
12-12-2011, 01:03 PM
Our defense without Ware is complete ****. Trading away a HoF pass rusher in the prime of his career....always a good idea.

princefielder28
12-12-2011, 01:04 PM
I've got a hot sports opinion - What type of value would D Ware bring? Could you get two one's for him?

I love D Ware as much as anyone (even have his jersey), but other than NO a couple of years ago, I don't remember him making a single play when the game is on the line.

you have got to be kidding here...Ware is one of the top 3 pass rushers in the league and not only can he not be replaced by whatever pick compensation you think you could get but your garbage pass rush would become non-existent...as a pass rusher, especially of his caliber, most of his impact comes indirectly or does not reflect in the box score...he'll get a sack or two in a game but the double teams he commands and the overall pressure he is able to create can not be matched or measured unless you see the significance of losing a guy of his caliber...the two most important guys on the football field are the quarterback and pass rusher, everything else can be judged based on schemes/fits and such, and if you remove one of the game's best at one of those positions then there's absolutely no way your team is better off in the short term or long term...Dallas has issues (the OL and secondary) but don't act like this team is beyond repair in the near future

Macarthur
12-12-2011, 01:29 PM
Our defense without Ware is complete ****. Trading away a HoF pass rusher in the prime of his career....always a good idea.

Look, I'm just throwing this out there to chew on. I probably could not pull the trigger either, but I think there's a point to be made about Ware tending to disappear late in games. LIke the rest of the defense, he's a beast in the 1st half and then fades into the night.

If some jackwagons are going to get on here and ride Romo's butt, then Ware needs some heat, too. He had two brain dead penalties, one on the last drive.

NOtice how active JPP was for the Giants in the 4th quarter?

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 01:59 PM
Look, I'm just throwing this out there to chew on. I probably could not pull the trigger either, but I think there's a point to be made about Ware tending to disappear late in games. LIke the rest of the defense, he's a beast in the 1st half and then fades into the night.

If some jackwagons are going to get on here and ride Romo's butt, then Ware needs some heat, too. He had two brain dead penalties, one on the last drive.

NOtice how active JPP was for the Giants in the 4th quarter?

Ware is over valued IMHO.

What 4 sacks in a game they lost 34-7? Wow!

I expect from Ware what JPP did last night.

Macarthur
12-12-2011, 02:02 PM
Ware is over valued IMHO.

What 4 sacks in a game they lost 34-7? Wow!

I expect from Ware what JPP did last night.

Agree.

Seriously, the Saints game a couple of years ago when he caused the fumble that ended the game, I don't remember him making an impact play late in a game. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 02:08 PM
Agree.

Seriously, the Saints game a couple of years ago when he caused the fumble that ended the game, I don't remember him making an impact play late in a game. If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

I also made this point last night.

DeMarcus is a great player but he does not make many game changing plays for a guy with his REP. Clay Mathews makes more plays. Harrison in Pittsburgh does.

Just some guys get amped for the moment and they do great things. DeMarcus seems to run same speed all the time which is great in first quarter but not so in the 4th when it is time for the money shot.

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 02:10 PM
To me, our entire roster is for sale after this season.

If I could gut it and get picks to restock and rebuild as a RUNNING TEAM with stout D -- sign me up.

Paul
12-12-2011, 02:18 PM
This place has gone insane. I'm going to Off-Topic for awhile.

princefielder28
12-12-2011, 02:45 PM
Ware is over valued IMHO.

What 4 sacks in a game they lost 34-7? Wow!

I expect from Ware what JPP did last night.

I'm not trying to water down what JPP did last night but his performance goes to show you how beneficial it is for a defense to have more than one guy who can get after the passer...the Giants have ends that command plenty of attention allowing JPP to be a terror in the middle, especially on passing downs...the Dallas defense has Ware and that's it! a better pass rush allows a team to have some deficiancies in the defensive backfield too...sadly the Cowboys have a one man pass rush and some crap at CB/S, making for a bad combination

D-Unit
12-12-2011, 02:46 PM
You don't want the consensus #1 CB in the draft?
Nope. Not at the cost that it will take to move up. We move up that high? I want Barkley.

D-Unit
12-12-2011, 02:50 PM
Look, I'm just throwing this out there to chew on. I probably could not pull the trigger either, but I think there's a point to be made about Ware tending to disappear late in games. LIke the rest of the defense, he's a beast in the 1st half and then fades into the night.

If some jackwagons are going to get on here and ride Romo's butt, then Ware needs some heat, too. He had two brain dead penalties, one on the last drive.

NOtice how active JPP was for the Giants in the 4th quarter?
Get outta here imposter!!!! What did you do with the real Mac???!!!

D-Unit
12-12-2011, 02:53 PM
This place has gone insane. I'm going to Off-Topic for awhile.
I'm joining you. I cannot tolerate the idiocy.

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 03:31 PM
This place has gone insane. I'm going to Off-Topic for awhile.

I guess you must like mistake prone mediocrity like Jerry.

Always next year with this cast of soft, under-achievers.

Macarthur
12-12-2011, 03:43 PM
Get outta here imposter!!!! What did you do with the real Mac???!!!

Mac who? :)

MetSox17
12-12-2011, 03:44 PM
I'm joining you. I cannot tolerate the idiocy.

lol really?

M.O.T.H.
12-12-2011, 03:46 PM
The majority of you have all gone bat **** crazy...

:)

The quality of posts has really dipped in the Cowboys section as of late, that's for damn sure. These close losses will do that to a fanbase, I suppose.

MetSox17
12-12-2011, 03:53 PM
The majority of you have all gone bat **** crazy...

:)

The quality of posts has really dipped in the Cowboys section as of late, that's for damn sure. These close losses will do that to a fanbase, I suppose.

When you have D-Unit and Bob constantly posting and throwing out ideas, that's what happens. They're like casual fans in how fickle they are, it's incredibly frustrating/annoying. Any kind of serious discussion after a close loss is the end of the world around here.

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 04:16 PM
The majority of you have all gone bat **** crazy...

:)

The quality of posts has really dipped in the Cowboys section as of late, that's for damn sure. These close losses will do that to a fanbase, I suppose.

Where you the one who critiqued D-Unit for using this same style of conducting dialogue?

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 04:18 PM
To the fans who think I am over reacting (or D-Unit) ....

You guys accept mediocrity for fear of being bad.

I accept being bad for fear of mediocrity.

This Cowboys team is bona-fide mediocre since 2006 with the cast of "Stars" you defend.

Sometimes, it ain't the Coach. It is the Players.

I propose make drastic changes to player personnel in order to win SB. Not go 9-7 every other year with an occasional 6-10.

yanksknicks
12-12-2011, 04:20 PM
I hate mediocrity in all its forms. It is filth that contaminates. It wants the benefits of extraordinary but never wishes to do the work. Mediocrity is a sickness plagued by jealousy, laziness, entitlement and poor results.

I want excellence.

M.O.T.H.
12-12-2011, 04:46 PM
Where you the one who critiqued D-Unit for using this same style of conducting dialogue?

Say what? I just think it's funny how a lot of posters react nowadays. The quality has dipped for sure...everyone wants to be the new Skip Bayless, it seems. Just being truthful, this has been a rough year in the Cowboys forums. It just seems more casual like. Not trying to hate, but it just hasnt been the same compared to past years, imo. Some of the stuff being said, is just really out there. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...but if I wanted to listen to dudes make ridiculous Madden like trade offers and bash players for all the wrong reasons...I'd just find any casual Cowboy fan on the street, or post on the dmn blog...among the many other weak Cowboy forums.

But anyway, I like how everyone's answer is to trade star players. As if trading player personel was that prominent in the NFL anyway. The NFL is not the NBA, MLB, or NHL...player trades are a rare occurence. I swear Madden/Fantasy football has warped fans minds.