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bucfan12
08-08-2011, 03:22 PM
Want to know what all of you're opinions are on him. I have him and Stephon Gilmore as the top rated CB prospects in 2012, with Dennard 1.

He's 5'10 and 201 lbs. Solid size. I see him as a better player than Amukamarah and see Champ Bailey as a comparison. He's physical and can play man and some zone (perfect Tampa 2 cover 2 def.) type of CB.

I had a discussion with a fiew forum bloggers and said he's nothing more than a nickel/dime type of CB and will be vastly overdrafted and should be a 3rd/4th round prospect because he has bad hips and isn't fluid in coverage.

I disagree, but want to get everyones thoughts.

K Train
08-08-2011, 03:24 PM
brilliantly violent jam, god damn he would look good as a steeler.

bucfan12
08-09-2011, 12:35 PM
brilliantly violent jam, god damn he would look good as a steeler.

I hope not. I'm in big ten country, so I'll see a lot of him this year. As a Bucs fan and with Talib's future up in the air after the 2011 season, I see them looking at CB and him or Gilmore would be my #1 choices.

K Train
08-09-2011, 12:49 PM
not real big on gilmore, or even kirkpatrick really. Dennard and minnifield are my guys this year as potential steeler corners

bucfan12
08-09-2011, 12:53 PM
not real big on gilmore, or even kirkpatrick really. Dennard and minnifield are my guys this year as potential steeler corners

What do you see in Minnfield? Just curious because the film and games I seen him in, he was burned by solid/better teams and played better against weaker competition. I think he's got bust all over him.

Gilmore reminds me a lot of Aqib Talib (skill set, not character, thank God) and is a physical and rangy ball hawk who might get beat every now and then due to his willingness to gamble.

Janoris Jenkins, if he stays out of trouble, is another guy I like as well.

bucfan12
08-09-2011, 12:54 PM
I agree with you on Dre Kirkpratrick. I don't think he's that good due to all this hype he's getting. I think he'll overdrafted, unless he absolutely plays terrible.

K Train
08-09-2011, 01:01 PM
i think jenkins and hosley are fine players but are so contact shy...great cover guys and likely ballhawks but undersized and weak tacklers...some teams dont mind that but the steelers DBs all tackle WAY better than they cover...its kinda depressing sometimes.

minnifield filled in nicely for dowling last year, i think he grows nicely as a player this year. his ability reminds me a lot of revis ( i wasnt sold on revis by any means nor am i eluding minnifield is gonna be anywhere near that level) but when you watch minnifield you can see hes got natural technique that when fine tuned has the potential for dominance as a corner, not super polished but the skills are naturally there which makes coaching him up so much easier. Good speed, good tackler/, good returner, and exceptional hands/ball skills.

hes got work to do this year now that hes the #1 guy at virginia, but imo he'll be a better prospect than cook and dowling as a corner and they were both what? top 34 picks?

Big Bird
08-09-2011, 02:40 PM
Janoris Jenkins has such amazing cover skills. Only problems are inconsistent tackling and his character issues.

I really like Dre' Kirkpatrick and Xavier Rhodes though.

K Train
08-09-2011, 04:00 PM
i love rhodes...not sure if hed come out though

Babylon
08-09-2011, 05:20 PM
I thought Bolden of Arizona St. was the best corner that the UW Huskies faced last year but you'd have to throw Dennard in the same boat.

etk
08-09-2011, 09:16 PM
This is what I posted in the Bucs forum.

What I see with Dennard is:

-Short (5'10, maybe shorter)
-Stocky. He's listed at well over 200 lbs. Not a good weight at his height
-Stiff, extremely so. He's got the hips that you'd expect from someone so stocky and tightly wound. He really has trouble transitioning his breaks in his backpedal and trail technique. When the receiver gets away from him he doesn't flip his hips, but turns his body around with his back to the QB. He also falls down when he tries to break on the ball. His hips are just awful, and you can tell by looking at him and seeing the results of his movement on the field.
-Slow. Not awfully slow to the point where he can't cut it, but in combination with his lack of size and hips...it's not good. His speed is below-average by my estimates, but you really need to be a burner if you're gonna play at a high level with hips as bad as he has.

He's physical and has good cover skills so I can buy that he's a good player in college, but he'll get absolutely toasted in the NFL and there's no defense to mask his deficiencies. Like I said before, Captain Munnerlyn at least has long speed and return ability to make up for his small stature and robotic hips. Brandon Flowers is small and has average speed but he has excellent hips and burst so he's a great zone corner. Dennard brings nothing to the table in the NFL. I'm tempted to say UDFA but he's getting so much hype that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, somewhat.

Champ Bailey is an awful comparison. Bailey is 6' 190 (lean) with elite speed and hips. He was a 2-way player at Georgia and is one of the best overall athletes to play the position. Dennard is stocky, slow and has brutal hips. He's basically the opposite of Bailey.

K Train
08-10-2011, 08:44 AM
im gonna disagree with some of that...first i wouldnt call him short, maybe average height and hes definitely has a very unusual, thick build for a corner but i think in the steelers zone blitz he would be great. he can really mix it up with WRs at the line and the steelers corners play 5-8 yards off the ball in zone, i think thats a perfect defense for him to be in and would easily be the best bet to mask his less than ideal hips.

i just really think hes a good player, not the smoothest but UDFA is way extreme, im betting he puts up a good year as their #1 corner this year.

what do you think about minnifield? i love him too, but for completely different reasons

bucfan12
08-10-2011, 03:37 PM
Patrick Peterson has an extremely thick build for a CB as well and the same was said about his hips and whether or not he can play CB. Yet, he was a top 5 pick as a CB.

If you're going to make Dennard's build as thick and slow, thats where you're wrong.

ChiFan24
08-11-2011, 09:17 PM
Patrick Peterson has an extremely thick build for a CB as well and the same was said about his hips and whether or not he can play CB. Yet, he was a top 5 pick as a CB.

If you're going to make Dennard's build as thick and slow, thats where you're wrong.

I haven't paid enough attention to Dennard to know whether I agree with etk, but using Peterson is not a good argument. Peterson is enormous by NFL CB standards and runs a sub 4.4 40 to go along with solid overall athleticism. He's a bit stiff in the hips but that's pretty much his only physical flaw.

etk
08-12-2011, 12:55 PM
im gonna disagree with some of that...first i wouldnt call him short, maybe average height and hes definitely has a very unusual, thick build for a corner but i think in the steelers zone blitz he would be great. he can really mix it up with WRs at the line and the steelers corners play 5-8 yards off the ball in zone, i think thats a perfect defense for him to be in and would easily be the best bet to mask his less than ideal hips.

i just really think hes a good player, not the smoothest but UDFA is way extreme, im betting he puts up a good year as their #1 corner this year.

what do you think about minnifield? i love him too, but for completely different reasons

Brandon Harris was listed at 5'11 in college and measured in at a hair under 5'10 at the combine (over 5'10 at his pro day). He's considered short. Dennard is absolutely short...he's listed at 5'10 and looks even shorter because of how wide he is.

I understand what you like about him, but I don't see where he fits in the NFL because of his shortcomings. Even the Steelers couldn't mask his deficiencies imo, and he definitely can't play in a Cover 2 because he's slow out of his breaks.

I like Minnifield, but I don't love him. He does some things extremely well: he's long and has great closing speed/burst coming out of his backpedal. He's also a playmaker who can highpoint the ball. He gets beat a lot in college because UVA plays him in off-man trail technique and he has average hips and agility. He's at his best dropping back and keeping the play in front of him so he can use his quickness and length to break on the ball. He'd work well in a zone or in man as long as he doesn't have to mirror the receiver and trail. Bump-and-run is OK for him but pure off-man is best.

Patrick Peterson has an extremely thick build for a CB as well and the same was said about his hips and whether or not he can play CB. Yet, he was a top 5 pick as a CB.

If you're going to make Dennard's build as thick and slow, thats where you're wrong.

Peterson is long and lean. He might be 215 lbs. but it's spread over his length and he doesn't look bulky. Dennard is stocky and bulky which is not good for a CB. Chris Houston has a build like that only smaller and Houston is much faster, more explosive and more fluid an athlete than Dennard...and he's a bust. There's no precedent for corners with Dennard's build and athletic deficiencies.

Like ChiFan said, Peterson is only a bit stiff in the hips. That argument has been blown way out of proportion to reach for weaknesses in an elite athlete. Dennard's hips are woeful, like Joe Haden x10. He's constantly slipping and struggling to turn his body around.

K Train
08-12-2011, 01:15 PM
Harris was small more than he was short though, nobody is gonna mistake dennard for brandon harris even if they are both the same height. I think his build is very unique, but i think it could be a favorable trait as well

nevermind edit:

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Sports/3d9fca290b1f4b86ad187a3dbb06d806.jpg

thats prince and dennard...prince listed at 6-0, brandon harris is 5-9 and change...considerably shorter than both

Matthew Jones
08-12-2011, 05:51 PM
I don't consider Dennard to be on the same level as Amukamara, although this year he should receive considerably less targets.

Razor
04-21-2012, 10:45 AM
Dennard Arrested for Punching Police Officer (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/21/draft-prospect-alfonzo-dennard-arrested-for-assaulting-a-police-officer/)

Pretty dumb thing to do a week before the draft..

Blackluck
04-21-2012, 11:02 AM
Dennard Arrested for Punching Police Officer (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/21/draft-prospect-alfonzo-dennard-arrested-for-assaulting-a-police-officer/)

Pretty dumb thing to do a week before the draft..

Hopefully that means the Patriots won't draft him.

vidae
04-21-2012, 11:08 AM
brilliantly violent jam, god damn he would look good as a steeler.

You weren't kidding. Just ask that cop he hit.

BaLLiN
04-21-2012, 11:09 AM
So that'll probably drop him 2 rounds, maybe more

CDCB14
04-21-2012, 11:21 AM
That is just ********. I can defend guys like Jenkins and Mike Adams who just like smoking weed... but punching a cop in the face 5 days before you're about to get a multi-million dollar contract? I don't even know how to comprehend that.

That being said, as long as he is on the field (doesn't get significant jail time which I doubt), if someone gets him in the 5th or 6th round that's a major steal.

tjsunstein
04-21-2012, 11:44 AM
This caps off the worst offseason possible for him. He did everything he could to drop his stock.

Asteinebach
04-21-2012, 12:23 PM
Yeah, I cannot see a single player that's done more to destroy their future than this guy. He's teetering on the edge of the "worst stock plummet" along with Vontaze Burfict. He might still get drafted on his ability, but it's not going to be real high.

Bolt
04-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Always thought he was overrated anyway but obviously this doesn't help. He'll be a potential steal in the late rounds though.

RaiderNation
04-21-2012, 02:43 PM
I honestly saw this coming, he acted like an idiot on twitter, and this was something I thought would happen. Chandler Jones really reminds me of Aldon Smith of twitter as well(Smith recently got a DUI).

Prowler
04-21-2012, 02:48 PM
That is just ********. I can defend guys like Jenkins and Mike Adams who just like smoking weed... but punching a cop in the face 5 days before you're about to get a multi-million dollar contract? I don't even know how to comprehend that.

That being said, as long as he is on the field (doesn't get significant jail time which I doubt), if someone gets him in the 5th or 6th round that's a major steal.

Well said. Personally, he's off my draft board. I don't trust him to respect authority or my coaching. Combine that with what I've seen from Senior Bowl week and I'm not interested.

hagy34
04-21-2012, 03:02 PM
Maybe he thought the cop was Alshon Jeffery?

CDCB14
04-21-2012, 03:04 PM
Well said. Personally, he's off my draft board. I don't trust him to respect authority or my coaching. Combine that with what I've seen from Senior Bowl week and I'm not interested.

Even if alcohol and the heat of being in a fight in the first place factored in... have the ******* brains to turn around and look before you punch a cop in the face when you are about to be a millionaire and what you are about to do is pretty much the only thing you could do to throw it all away. That really surpasses Janoris Jenkins and Mike Adams in my book. Again, they like smoking pot and in Jenkins' case he likes some sex too. So be it, they're human.

All of that said, if Dennard is on the board on day 3 someone is going to get a steal. I know as a Cowboys fan if he is on the board in the 5th round and we don't take him that would be a mistake.

Very similar to Perrish Cox, both as a player and with these macho/fighting issues. Although Dennard didn't rape the **** out of a girl and get away with it.

onejayhawk
04-21-2012, 03:22 PM
When did WRs and CBs get to be such discipline problems?

J

CDCB14
04-21-2012, 03:27 PM
When did WRs and CBs get to be such discipline problems?

J

The farther away the player is from the ball at the snap, the bigger diva they are.

Wodwo
04-22-2012, 01:47 AM
The farther away the player is from the ball at the snap, the bigger diva they are.

Andy Lee be makin' it rain.

tjsunstein
04-22-2012, 01:52 AM
I'd take him off of my board ( well, I have but my board holds no value so we'll stick to hypothetically) before Janoris Jenkins.

Diehard
04-22-2012, 01:54 AM
All of that said, if Dennard is on the board on day 3 someone is going to get a steal. I know as a Cowboys fan if he is on the board in the 5th round and we don't take him that would be a mistake.

Very similar to Perrish Cox, both as a player and with these macho/fighting issues. Although Dennard didn't rape the **** out of a girl and get away with it.

If you think he's similar to Perrish Cox, then he's not a steal on any day... he's a time bomb waiting to explode in your team's face.

descendency
04-22-2012, 01:54 AM
He can't man cover and will be exposed in the NFL. His jam is very good and it hides his poor man skills.

descendency
04-22-2012, 01:57 AM
Maybe he thought the cop was Alshon Jeffery?

Did he think the cop couldn't get away?

Caddy
04-22-2012, 02:15 AM
He isn't going off the board until Day 3 at the earliest, but if I was a GM I'd take him off my board. It is the week before the biggest weekend of his life and he does something like this?