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bucfan12
08-22-2011, 08:03 PM
Question, can Roger Goodell actually punish players who got into trouble during the lockout? I mean, no players were employed and since there was no CBA, there was no conduct policy.

I thought I read somewhere that if Goodell starts handing out suspensions, the NFL PA may take this to a legal matter, as there was no conduct policy without a CBA>.

V.I.P
08-22-2011, 08:25 PM
There shouldn't be any suspensions, but you know ... Goodell is a douche.

TitanHope
08-22-2011, 08:26 PM
The possibility of Kenny Britt being suspended is supposedly "still on the table," and he suspended Terrell Pryor before he was even a part of the league. So I think he'll at least try.

bucfan12
08-22-2011, 08:28 PM
The possibility of Kenny Britt being suspended is supposedly "still on the table," and he suspended Terrell Pryor before he was even a part of the league. So I think he'll at least try.

True, but I think there is a possibility the NFL PA can take this to a legal matter. Technically, all of these players were unemployed at the time during the lockout since they couldn't practice, could not even step foot in the facitilities, and weren't getting paid.

Nalej
08-22-2011, 08:28 PM
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to V.I.P again.

I lol'd

Complex
08-22-2011, 08:34 PM
He better not suspend Kenny, he is on my fantasy football team,favorite team and he is going to have breakout year plus <3 him. He is our best WR since Drew Bennett.

tjsunstein
08-22-2011, 08:39 PM
Goodell will find a way.

bucfan12
08-22-2011, 08:40 PM
I still found him suspending Pryor complete BS.

Rabscuttle
08-22-2011, 09:07 PM
He suspended me for jaywalking on my way to the parking lot after work today, Britt is screwed.

niel89
08-22-2011, 11:11 PM
I'm not really against players getting suspended for messing up during the lock out. If they did something worthy of suspension then I hope the get it.

jsagan77
08-23-2011, 01:35 AM
I hate Goodell, could they have picked a worse freaking Commissioner? All the guy has done is ruin the league...

bucfan12
08-23-2011, 10:05 AM
i don't see a valid argument against goodell suspending players during the lockout. they were still nfl employees, they were just in the midst of a labor dispute (for instance, all contracts signed before are still valid). further, i don't see why he'd be unable to penalize a free agent who broke the conduct policy, just because the guy didn't have a contract at the time, and that's a *far* more valid question.

tl;dr - repeating 'they were unemployed' doesn't actually mean they weren't employed.

They weren't getting paid and they weren't going to 'work' or practicing offiicially.

There was NO CBA, meaning there was no Conduct Policy at that time. That means they violated nothing during the lockout because there was no league conduct policy to violate.

Listen, I'm all for player punishments of the conduct policy, but honestly, do you even want to know how many players were Juicing hard during the lockout because they could not be tested? Heck they definately got away with it, and can't and won't be touched.

Thats my valid argument.

Splat
08-23-2011, 10:09 AM
And this has nothing to do with Aqib Talib meeting with Roger Goodell this week...

I don't think you start this thread if he wasn't.

bucfan12
08-23-2011, 10:17 AM
And this has nothing to do with Aqib Talib meeting with Roger Goodell this week...

I don't think you start this thread if he wasn't.

It's not just that, but I mean, if Albert Haynesworth avoids suspension for his violation, why can't Britt and Talib?

Also, what about Cedric Benson? Cullen Jenkins? They all got into trouble. Heck, even Braylon Edwards, from his DUI arrest last year hasn't heard anything from the league as well.

bucfan12
08-23-2011, 10:20 AM
I also was one of the Bucs fans that was fed up with Talib and wanted him cut immediately after hearing the news of his actions.

However, I feel differently now that more information came out that he came to the defense of his sister and only reacted because the guy beat her and had a gun and was trespassing.

Plus, Mark Dominik even thought about cutting him, that is why there were many reports of that happening from tampa tribune. Then, once the lockout was lifted, they were able to speak to Talib's lawyers and got more information, which made them change there mind.

bucfan12
08-23-2011, 06:25 PM
So, your telling me not 1 NFL player was juicing during the lockout? Looks like Shawn Merriman is back to form again in preseason so far.

Hurricanes25
08-23-2011, 06:40 PM
Sure, there was a lockout but that shouldn't allow players to go out and do whatever the hell they want. If this does become an issue, I'll side with the NFL.

Shane P. Hallam
08-24-2011, 02:03 AM
I hate Goodell, could they have picked a worse freaking Commissioner? All the guy has done is ruin the league...

Yup, ruined the league by continuing to increase its exposure and popularity making it even more popular than it was when he took over! RUINED!

niel89
08-24-2011, 03:19 AM
I honestly haven't see a major failure that Goodell directly caused. He is trying to make the game more popular and profitable and I think he is doing just fine at that. I just don't see a basis for all the tons of hate the guy gets.

khorn
08-24-2011, 03:48 AM
Yup, ruined the league by continuing to increase its exposure and popularity making it even more popular than it was when he took over! RUINED!

I could be commissioner of the league and the growth rate would still be ridiculous. Goodell has had little to no affect on that. It's a self-prospering business, it doesn't need a commissioner to grow, much less a ****** one.

yo123
08-24-2011, 04:15 AM
He is our best WR since Drew Bennett.


This made me laugh.

Shane P. Hallam
08-24-2011, 06:54 AM
I could be commissioner of the league and the growth rate would still be ridiculous. Goodell has had little to no affect on that. It's a self-prospering business, it doesn't need a commissioner to grow, much less a ****** one.

Wonderful, then you wouldn't be doing a bad job either.

bucfan12
08-24-2011, 08:57 AM
He's made the game less physical. Honestly, I understand a few rules because of player safety but some of them are garbage. I mean, Brady goes down in 2009 because a guy tackles him from the ground to get the sack.

Next offseason, that is prohibited. Injuries are a part of the game, if other teams have to suffer losing there QB, then so does New ENgland.

Like I said before, if Suh ever conducted that hit he did on Andy Dalton on Tom Brady, he'd be suspended immediately.

Jvig43
08-24-2011, 09:07 AM
I'm really confused as to how the NFL is justifying that the conduct code is still in effect because it is separate from the CBA, they didn't really explain why in the article njx posted, they just basically said "because we say so" which in the NFL is all that really matters but I'd like to know if this was in some type or writing or something the players were aware of before the lockout started.

khorn
08-24-2011, 03:36 PM
Wonderful, then you wouldn't be doing a bad job either.

The NFL is succeeding in spite of Roger Goodell not because of him. The success of the league as a whole has little reflection of the job he has done as a commissioner, which has been a ****** one.

So in case you don't understand what i'm trying to say here, he sucks.

niel89
08-24-2011, 04:47 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the newer contact rules, but at least they are trying to increase some player safety. It kinda sucks but its not a huge deal to me.

The game in London is kinda stupid imo, but he wouldn't be doing his job if he did at least attempt it. Expanding interest internationally is a big opportunity financially.

What else has he done to ruin the game? I'm not trying to be smug or anything, but I honestly am oblivious of his massive mistakes.


I still booed the **** out of him at the draft though. :p

bucfan12
08-24-2011, 06:46 PM
Anyone see Ocho Cincos tweet to Roger Goodell today?

After Mason Foster, rookie Tampa Bay MLB, was fined 20K for the hit against Chad, he tweeted saying the hit was legal and that he'll reimburse him.

Wonder what Goodell is going to say about that?

V.I.P
08-24-2011, 07:17 PM
Aqib Talib meet with Goodell yesterday, dun dun dunn....

bucfan12
08-24-2011, 09:03 PM
Aqib Talib meet with Goodell yesterday, dun dun dunn....

Apparetly no decision on suspensions have been made on him and Britt.

If one is to be made, it is a 4 game suspension for Talib.

Jvig43
08-24-2011, 09:33 PM
Anyone see Ocho Cincos tweet to Roger Goodell today?

After Mason Foster, rookie Tampa Bay MLB, was fined 20K for the hit against Chad, he tweeted saying the hit was legal and that he'll reimburse him.

Wonder what Goodell is going to say about that?

Most likely fine Ocho. Everything is a fine in the NFL, which is a pretty valid complaint against Goodell if you ask me. Roddy White said it best, there isn't any commission that gets together to decide these punishments, Goodell just wakes up one morning and decides who gets what for no real reason other than his own, there isn't any type of clarification on what actions receive what types of punishment. I think that's a fair knock on how he runs the NFL.

bucfan12
08-24-2011, 09:49 PM
Most likely fine Ocho. Everything is a fine in the NFL, which is a pretty valid complaint against Goodell if you ask me. Roddy White said it best, there isn't any commission that gets together to decide these punishments, Goodell just wakes up one morning and decides who gets what for no real reason other than his own, there isn't any type of clarification on what actions receive what types of punishment. I think that's a fair knock on how he runs the NFL.

Agreed. I think, as commisioner, should have a say, but the NFL PA and the Owners should have put a legal system in place to handle these types of situations, such as fines, suspensions, etc.

He just determines punishments himself. I'm waiting for D. Smith to open his mouth about something. Goodell abuses his power when it comes to these situations. Fining a 3rd round pick 20 K is a lot considering the rookie scale and how much he makes for being that low of a pick while Ndmakung Suh tears a QBs helmet off and gets 15 K? Pifft, He's definately not looking at the situations very well.

guranteed Ocho gets a 10 K fine for his tweet as well.

niel89
08-25-2011, 12:47 AM
Its not like Goodell is the sole person whose opinion goes into these decisions. The hits are reviewed by two other people before they are presented to Goodell. I'm sure that he get input from those around him before he makes a final decision. He has the decision at the end of the day but if a hit isn't really isn't worthy then it probably won't reach Goodell.

Also when a player is fined, the fine isn't immediately collected. Before week 14, the fine isn't applied until the appeals process has played out. Also the two guys who handle the appeals (Art Shell and Ted Cottrell) are jointly appointed by the league and the NFLPA to handle the appeals.

I doubt that Ocho get a real fine at all from this.

Scotty D
08-25-2011, 01:51 AM
Agreed. I think, as commisioner, should have a say, but the NFL PA and the Owners should have put a legal system in place to handle these types of situations, such as fines, suspensions, etc.

He just determines punishments himself. I'm waiting for D. Smith to open his mouth about something. Goodell abuses his power when it comes to these situations. Fining a 3rd round pick 20 K is a lot considering the rookie scale and how much he makes for being that low of a pick while Ndmakung Suh tears a QBs helmet off and gets 15 K? Pifft, He's definately not looking at the situations very well.

guranteed Ocho gets a 10 K fine for his tweet as well.

I agree with this. I think he has too much power in handing out fines and suspensions. Some of these guys getting fined 20k will only make 300k for a whole season if they even make a roster.

The new kick off rule and reviewing every scoring play is terrible. Stop tinkering with the game.

bucfan12
08-25-2011, 09:36 AM
I agree with this. I think he has too much power in handing out fines and suspensions. Some of these guys getting fined 20k will only make 300k for a whole season if they even make a roster.

The new kick off rule and reviewing every scoring play is terrible. Stop tinkering with the game.

What I don't get is why Foster was fined more than Suh? I mean, what was the big difference in there hits?

The ref claimed it was helmet to helmet when Foster hit Chad, but the replay shows he went in with his shoulder, perfectly legal hit.

Jvig43
08-25-2011, 10:01 AM
disagree. goodell gets reviewed by the owners every year, who determine whether or not he'll have a job in the future. if they disagreed, he'd be replaced.

Well it's not like the owners are going to fire him over fines that go to the players and not themselves (owners). I don't think the owners care too much about player fines, so I don't think even if they did disagree with the fines that they would fire Goodell over it.

bucfan12
08-25-2011, 10:50 AM
I think if he started suspending players due to these so called "illegal" hits, deemed by Goodell himself, then it'd be a different story.

jsagan77
08-30-2011, 01:41 AM
Yup, ruined the league by continuing to increase its exposure and popularity making it even more popular than it was when he took over! RUINED!

Yeah because it was just crap under Tags...? The league would grow with a sarcophagus running it so I'm no sure what your point is. The reason the league has grown is because of the information age, the draft gaining popularity, Fantasy Football, etc... Doesn't have crap to do with Goodell doing anything spectacular. So he changed the draft day so they have higher ratings? Okay, so what? He made a spectacle out of it and generated some revenue, great job Goodell... What else has he done besides ruin this beautiful game that we all enjoy seeing played at the most elite and violent level of any professional sport? I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people that enjoy the game more since he's taken over but to each his own.

jsagan77
08-30-2011, 01:50 AM
disagree. goodell gets reviewed by the owners every year, who determine whether or not he'll have a job in the future. if they disagreed, he'd be replaced.

But the problem is that fans and owners are on separate sides of the fence. Goodell is an owners commissioner. I think it's pretty safe to say everything is money driven with him from expanding the schedule (which was thankfully vetoed), to changing the draft (which I like), to putting in these player safety rules (sure it helps the players but IMO their incentive is that they simply want to protect their investments).

There's a reason these owners keep voting him in and it's not because he's great for the game, it's because he's great for their wallets.

jsagan77
08-30-2011, 08:43 PM
so stop spending money on the nfl. stop watching games. stop buying from nfl sponsors. ignore the nfl entirely.

because you know what? apparently this *is* all good for the game, given that the fans will kvetch and whine, but won't ever actually act like they care.


Why would I veto the NFL and stop watching a sport that I love because I dislike the commissioner?

jsagan77
08-30-2011, 09:40 PM
ah, so you don't actually care that much and the nfl isn't 'ruined', in the process of 'ruination' or any similar.

or, alternately, you *would* if you actually wanted him gone. as long as you keep watching, no matter how much you hate what he does, you're giving him tacit approval to keep doing it, and giving the owners no financial incentive whatsoever to change anything.

No, I do care... Just because someone cares doesn't mean they have any power over something. Me not watching the NFL is NOT going to do anything to rid the NFL of Goodell...

You aren't making any sense, mostly because your assuming I actually spend money on the NFL...

Please make me understand how me going to a sports bar every weekend to watch my team play helps Goodell? I'm interested in your logic now...

Jvig43
08-30-2011, 10:34 PM
ah, so you don't actually care that much and the nfl isn't 'ruined', in the process of 'ruination' or any similar.

or, alternately, you *would* if you actually wanted him gone. as long as you keep watching, no matter how much you hate what he does, you're giving him tacit approval to keep doing it, and giving the owners no financial incentive whatsoever to change anything.

I mean while I am an avid hater of Goodell and the direction of the NFL, njx is right here, and I won't stop watching something I love and a team I grew up with because of the way hes running the league. He's good for the league and it's employers wallets, but its bad for the sport of football, as someone previously said. There really isnt anything we as fans can do about it that would change any of this.

jsagan77
08-30-2011, 10:45 PM
I mean while I am an avid hater of Goodell and the direction of the NFL, njx is right here, and I won't stop watching something I love and a team I grew up with because of the way hes running the league. He's good for the league and it's employers wallets, but its bad for the sport of football, as someone previously said. There really isnt anything we as fans can do about it that would change any of this.

njx hasn't said anything close to what your supposedly agreeing with.

You're actually agreeing with my premise but to each his own...

jsagan77
08-31-2011, 12:42 AM
So I'm giving the NFL money without spending any money? What a concept... Wish economics worked that way but they don't...

An ad homonym type response from you is what I expected. You still have not said anything of relevance or of value as to how me watching a sport for free supports Goodell in any way shape or form. Supporting a team and it's players does NOT indicate me supporting Goodell even indirectly, well not in anyone's mind but your own. Even the guy that thought he agreed with you echoed my sentiments... You're going in circles with a simple concept, so let me help...

Let me spell it out for you one more time just so there's no ambiguity... I dislike Goodell, I think he's been bad for the game but done good for the owners and players (that's my opinion), I love the game of football, one persons affect on that sport will not affect me watching it because not watching accomplishes nothing...

So how the NFL makes money is irrelevant, yes I know and I get it, but I don't care in regards to this conversation. I also live in an area that has Millions of people and tons of tourists so no, me not showing up to a bar to watch a game that I PAY NOTHING FOR will not cause some butterfly effect on the NFL or Roger Goodell.



do you have any vague understanding of how the nfl makes money? the *vast* majority of it comes from tv contracts. you know, things like local networks airing games, directv, etc. are you honestly under the impression that, if the games weren't being watched, nbc/abc/etc would still pay BILLIONS for the rights to air them? how about the bar owner? if no one showed up to drink on sundays because they didn't want to watch football, do you think he'd continue to put it on the tvs, or make sure he's got the super sports package so he can show all of the games on different tvs?

oh, but i get it. this is the 'other people will still watch' argument. which just makes you a hypocrite. YOU decide to give the nfl your money every time you watch a game. every time you go to a bar for a game. every time you buy a t-shirt with their logo on it. every time you buy something from their sponsors.

if you're too lazy, or like jvig said, too invested in a team you've spent years rooting for, that's fine. but don't pretend like you're not directly telling the nfl as a result that you couldn't care less what goodell does because you'll keep watching anyways.

has baseball noticed that i've quit watching since their last strike? probably not. but i hated everyone involved for what they did to it, and they won't get my money again. millions of people apparently disagree with me, and that's fine. if those same millions had agreed with me, then baseball's leadership would've changed until it was making the league money again. this is really not a difficult concept.

jsagan77
08-31-2011, 02:00 PM
It's also clear that you have no idea how to read or comprehend anything I've said... I agree with everything you said on how the NFL makes money, again I get that... (Got an A in economics BTW, thanks though! MBA FTL I guess, sigh)

The problem with your post is that you are trying to make an idea, that has nothing to do with anything I've said, relevant. How the NFL makes money is irrelevant to my premise.



it's clear that you neither understand economics nor, apparently, do you understand how to read. you've either refused to read or are incapable of understanding how tv contracts work and i have no interest in explaining it again. please feel free to re-read, or else continue to go on believing that the nfl actually makes it's own money out of thin air, with nothing whatsoever to do with consumers. i'm sure that's a happy, little world.

jsagan77
08-31-2011, 06:48 PM
so, your premise then, is that if everyone who was fed up with goodell quit watching nfl games, or giving them money in any direct or indirect way, that nothing would change, and the nfl owners would just accept the revenue loss? or, you're still of the opinion that because no one else would quit watching, why bother? or does an mba in economics actually not understand how the nfl makes money off of tv contracts that apply whether you watch at home or in a bar?



No, my premise IS that ONE person has NO impact on the NFL, Goodell, or anything else within that realm. The MASSES do have an impact on their bottom line, however I believe the MASSES love for the game trumps giving it up to expel him.

Just because I don't like him doesn't mean I need to have a personal vendetta against the guy. What's he or the NFL going to do if I stop watching? Beg me to come back? No, because I am not relevant in this equation. 50 million of me would be relevant. If I had the power to effect 50 million people to stop watching then I would affect their bottom line which in turn would give me the power to make a change. Do you get the economic lesson here? Supply is determined by the demand for that product. When we are talking about a market of 100M + (guesstimate) then .0000000001 % of the market WILL NOT AFFECT ANYTHING!

You must be one of those people who became a vegetarian to affect the cattle, poultry, and Pork industry.. I'm sure they miss you... And I bet you have an electric car so the Oil Company's go bankrupt... The point is that the masses control everything so whatever argument you are trying to create or prove is LOLable...