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TheFinisher
08-26-2011, 08:54 AM
QB

1. Andrew Luck - Stanford
2. Landry Jones - Oklahoma
3. Nick Foles - Arizona
4. Ryan Lindley- San Diego St.
5. Matt Barkley - USC

RB

1. Trent Richardson- Alabama
2. LaMichael James- Oregon
3. Chris Polk- Washington
4. Cyrus Gray- Texas A&M
5. Tauren Poole- Tennessee

WR

1. Alshon Jeffrey - South Carolina
2. Jeff Fuller - Texas A&M
3. Justin Blackmon - Oklahoma St.
4. Juron Criner - Arizona
5. Michael Floyd - Notre Dame

TE

1. Michael Egnew - Missouri
2. George Bryan - North Carolina St.
3. Orson Charles - Georgia
4. David Paulson - Oregon
5. Dwayne Allen - Clemson

C

1. Mike Brewster - Ohio St.
2. Peter Konz - Wisconsin
3. David Molk - Michigan
4. Ben Jones - Georgia
5. Ben Habern - Oklahoma

OG

1. David DeCastro- Stanford
2. Cordy Glenn - Georgia
3. Joel Foreman - Michigan St.
4. Brandon Washington - Miami
5. Barrett Jones - Alabama

OT

1. Jonathan Martin - Stanford
2. Matt Kalil - USC
3. Kelechi Osemele - Iowa St.
4. Nate Potter - Boise St.
5. Riley Reiff- Iowa

4-3 DE

1. Quinton Coples - North Carolina
2. Donte Paige-Moss - North Carolina
3. Vince Brown - Northwestern
4. Devin Taylor - South Carolina
5. Nathan Williams - Ohio St.

4-3 DT

1. Jerel Worthy - Michigan St.
2. Mike Martin - Michigan
3. Jaye Howard - Florida
4. Marcus Forston - Miami
5. Kawann Short - Purdue

3-4 DE

1. Jared Crick - Nebraska
2. Kheeston Randall - Texas
3. Devon Still - Penn St.
4. Billy Winn - Boise St.
5. Baker Steinkuhler - Nebraska

3-4 NT

1. Alameda Te'amu - Washington
2. Dontari Poe - Memphis
3. Montori Hughes- Tennessee
4. Kerry Murphy- Alabama
5. D'Angelo McCray- Memphis

3-4 OLB

1. Courtney Upshaw - Alabama
2. Brandon Jenkins- Florida St.
3. Vinny Curry - Marshall
4. Chase Thomas- Stanford
5. Brandon Lindsey - Pittsburgh

4-3 OLB

1. Travis Lewis - Oklahoma
2. Nigel Bradham - Florida St.
3. Keenan Robinson - Texas
4. Sean Spence - Miami
5. Tank Carder - TCU

ILB

1. Manti Te'o - Notre Dame
2. Vontaze Burfict - Arizona St.
3. Luke Kuechly - Boston College
4. Shane Skove - Stanford
5. Don'te Hightower - Alabama

CB

1. Stephon Gilmore - South Carolina
2. Cliff Harris - Oregon
3. Morris Claiborne - LSU
4. Dre Kirkpatrick - Alabama
5. Xavier Rhodes - Florida St

FS

1. Robert Lester - Alabama
2. Markelle Martin - Oklahoma St.
3. T.J. McDonald - USC
4. Lance Mitchell - Oregon St.
5. Delano Howell - Stanford

SS

1. Ray Ray Armstrong - Miami
2. Tony Dye - UCLA
3. Sean Cattouse - Cal
4. Kenny Tate - Maryland
5. Mark Barron - Alabama

Giantsfan1080
08-26-2011, 08:59 AM
Mo Sanu is going to make everyone look foolish if he's not in your top 5.

bearsfan_51
08-26-2011, 10:58 AM
Stopped reading after you put Foles and Lindley ahead of Barkley.

It's cool to be different, but when you have to try it just looks silly.

keylime_5
08-26-2011, 11:50 AM
Stopped reading after you put Foles and Lindley ahead of Barkley.

It's cool to be different, but when you have to try it just looks silly.

I know at least one or two other people who are respectable talent evaluators who are very high on Foles and have him rated 2nd behind only Luck. He has better physical tools, with a good senior year there's no doubt that Foles could/will be no worse than the 3rd QB taken behind Luck and maybe Barkley.

KCJ58
08-26-2011, 12:55 PM
No Fullbacks?

bearsfan_51
08-26-2011, 01:05 PM
I know at least one or two other people who are respectable talent evaluators who are very high on Foles and have him rated 2nd behind only Luck. He has better physical tools, with a good senior year there's no doubt that Foles could/will be no worse than the 3rd QB taken behind Luck and maybe Barkley.
I like Foles too. I think he'll end up in the late-1st.

I'm more confused by Lindley. He had a mediocre completion % and a TD-INT ratio comparable to Barkley. Except he was playing in the MWC. Lindley simply isn't very accurate with his passes, and he's certainly not as talented as Barkley, so it seems like a slight to Barkley because he personally doesn't like him.

tjsunstein
08-26-2011, 01:36 PM
I like Foles as well but Lindley over Barkley is almost unacceptable at this point. Barkley was just a sophomore last year and he had a better completion percentage than the more experienced QB in the MWC. Barkley's knock is decision making, which improves with age. Lindley has far worse flaws, such as level of competition, accuracy, and I'd go as far as decision making too. He's talented but not as complete as Barkley.

I'm higher on Cyrus Gray than most so I don't agree with Polk over him.

How I have the WRs is as follows: Jeffery #1, Blackmon, Floyd, Broyles, and Fuller interchangeable at 2-5 and everyone else. You have Criner over Floyd. Why? Is it the DUI?

Tackle is interesting. I know that Osemele can possibly bump to RT in the NFL but he's more suited for G, don't you think? He's certainly not a LT prospect like Rieff, who you have underrated if you think Potter is better. I'd take Fluker over Potter.

Defense is less controversial but you left out Bruce Irvin which may be a sin at this point. Unless you meant to leave him out, in that case I'm very interested to hear the reasoning.

Cornerback looks sloppy to me but there is going to be an ongoing debate about that position from now until the actual draft and probably after as well. It's a deep class.

keylime_5
08-26-2011, 02:22 PM
I'm not going to vouch for Lindley. Who knows though, he could be another Flacco/Freeman type and Barkley could be Jimmy Clausen part dos and we'll be looking back at this thread lauding the rankings.

bearsfan_51
08-26-2011, 02:25 PM
Flacco absolutely dominated at Delaware and Freeman had unreal athletic talent. Lindley has nothing in common with either of them.

CashmoneyDrew
08-26-2011, 02:31 PM
Montori Hughes was kicked off of UTs team.

Tauren Poole is an overrated prospect.

SchizophrenicBatman
08-26-2011, 03:22 PM
Barkley has special arm talent. Clausen isn't even close in that regard

I'm not as big a fan of him as a prospect as I probably should be but even with that in mind, I don't see how anyone can put him lower than #3 at the moment. I can buy someone making the Landry Jones argument. I don't agree with it, but I'll at least listen. No one else

TheFinisher
08-26-2011, 05:05 PM
Regarding Lindley - Barkley:

I think physically, Lindley has everything a pro scout will be looking for. He's got prototypical size, arm strength and accuracy. He's steadily improved in each of his seasons as a starter which is another good sign. There have been times where he can just drop dimes all over the field or zip one in between 2 defenders that make you drool. He's has a bad offensive line and routinely gets pressured, which he has dealt with just fine.

Barkley is smaller in stature at about 6-2, has a weaker arm (although it's not "weak" by any stretch of the imagination) and has the ability to pinpoint passes when he has time. He played with 2 top 10 picks at offensive tackle and most of the time he had all day to sit back and throw, which I guess I can't really penalize him for but I give the edge to Lindley at being able to make throws under pressure because I haven't seen Barkley do that enough.

Barkley has the USC pedigree which will no doubt pump up his stock, but IMHO Lindley is the more talented NFL prospect and has a brighter future. Especially if he continues to improve like he has.

bearsfan_51
08-26-2011, 05:07 PM
I think physically, Lindley has everything a pro scout will be looking for. He's got prototypical size, arm strength and accuracy.
Not at all. I feel like we're talking about two different players.

TheFinisher
08-26-2011, 05:13 PM
Not at all. I feel like we're talking about two different players.

Well there's your difference of opinion.

bearsfan_51
08-26-2011, 05:21 PM
Fair enough, I respect difference of opinion, but almost everyone that follows the draft disagrees with you. If you read 10 draft reviews on Lindley, all of them would say his accuracy is somewhere between average and poor. He's also not a good decision maker. If he was forced to push the ball down the field more (or if he was playing in a elite conference) he would have thrown more picks.

TheFinisher
08-26-2011, 05:31 PM
How I have the WRs is as follows: Jeffery #1, Blackmon, Floyd, Broyles, and Fuller interchangeable at 2-5 and everyone else. You have Criner over Floyd. Why? Is it the DUI?


Not just the DUI, Floyd's had 3 alcohol related offenses at ND. That's concerning. Plus I question his deep speed.



Tackle is interesting. I know that Osemele can possibly bump to RT in the NFL but he's more suited for G, don't you think? He's certainly not a LT prospect like Rieff, who you have underrated if you think Potter is better. I'd take Fluker over Potter.



Osemele is a freak, he's got upside that could land him in the top 15. He needs to work on his footwork and show that he can handle elite pass rusher off the edge, if he does that there's no reason why he can't stay at LT.



Defense is less controversial but you left out Bruce Irvin which may be a sin at this point. Unless you meant to leave him out, in that case I'm very interested to hear the reasoning.

I really like Irvin and he's obviously a spectacular pass rusher, but he needs to show he can be an every down player and not be a major liability against the run. He's a little bit of a question mark right now because he was only a pass rush specialist last year, but can easily emerge as one of the top 3-4 OLBs with a good season as a full time starter.

bearsfan_51
08-26-2011, 05:36 PM
I agree with most that Osmele projects to either guard or RT in the pros, probably guard. He's a 1st round guy either way, though.

Not sold on Potter at all at LT in the pros. He's a 2nd or 3rd round guy and probably a guard. Reiff projects much better.

Ozzy
08-27-2011, 08:48 AM
TheFinisher QB

1. Andrew Luck - Stanford
2. Landry Jones - Oklahoma
3. Nick Foles - Arizona
4. Ryan Lindley- San Diego St.
5. Matt Barkley - USC If he does not play well he sure could drop like this and or not even come out this year

RB

1. Trent Richardson- Alabama
2. LaMichael James- Oregon
3. Chris Polk- Washington Wow, that is a surprise but I could see it maybe, could argue JR Latavius Murray or Doug Martin are better than he is though. Or Kniles Davis if he recovers and comes out but I doubt that
4. Cyrus Gray- Texas A&M
5. Tauren Poole- Tennessee

WR

1. Alshon Jeffrey - South Carolina
2. Jeff Fuller - Texas A&M
3. Justin Blackmon - Oklahoma St.
4. Juron Criner - Arizona
5. Michael Floyd - Notre Dame I have him #2 just because of his ball skills and overall ability to catch the football and run routes from day one

TE

1. Michael Egnew - Missouri
2. George Bryan - North Carolina St.
3. Orson Charles - Georgia
4. David Paulson - Oregon
5. Dwayne Allen - Clemson

C

1. Mike Brewster - Ohio St.
2. Peter Konz - Wisconsin I agree, he could be a high pick even now, could argue he is better than Brewster, hope he stays for another year though
3. David Molk - Michigan
4. Ben Jones - Georgia
5. Ben Habern - Oklahoma

OG

1. David DeCastro- Stanford
2. Cordy Glenn - Georgia He might move to OT I heard, still fine player
3. Joel Foreman - Michigan St.
4. Brandon Washington - Miami Good player, could argue Travis Bond is better, and or Omameh from Michigan
5. Barrett Jones - Alabama

OT

1. Jonathan Martin - Stanford Love him but not sure he is better than Kalil
2. Matt Kalil - USC
3. Kelechi Osemele - Iowa St.
4. Nate Potter - Boise St.
5. Riley Reiff- Iowa

4-3 DE

1. Quinton Coples - North Carolina
2. Donte Paige-Moss - North Carolina
3. Vince Brown - Northwestern Is he that good? We will see
4. Devin Taylor - South Carolina
5. Nathan Williams - Ohio St.

4-3 DT

1. Jerel Worthy - Michigan St.
2. Mike Martin - Michigan
3. Jaye Howard - Florida
4. Marcus Forston - Miami
5. Kawann Short - Purdue

3-4 DE

1. Jared Crick - Nebraska
2. Kheeston Randall - Texas Where is Jerel Worthy? Or Mike Martin?
3. Devon Still - Penn St.
4. Billy Winn - Boise St.
5. Baker Steinkuhler - Nebraska Not sure he is at that level just yet

3-4 NT

1. Alameda Te'amu - Washington That is a given and easy #1 NT
2. Dontari Poe - Memphis Agree, I like him a lot as well, just based on size
3. Montori Hughes- Tennessee
4. Kerry Murphy- Alabama
5. D'Angelo McCray- Memphis

3-4 OLB

1. Courtney Upshaw - Alabama Really no Bruce Irvin, that is a sin
2. Brandon Jenkins- Florida St.No Hightower either? Oh you have him as a ILB
3. Vinny Curry - Marshall
4. Chase Thomas- Stanford
5. Brandon Lindsey - Pittsburgh

4-3 OLB

1. Travis Lewis - Oklahoma
2. Nigel Bradham - Florida St.
3. Keenan Robinson - Texas
4. Sean Spence - Miami Size is an issue, like him but Audie Cole might have him beat
5. Tank Carder - TCU I would actually put him on the inside and Kuechly on outside

ILB

1. Manti Te'o - Notre Dame
2. Vontaze Burfict - Arizona St.
3. Luke Kuechly - Boston College
4. Shane Skove - Stanford
5. Don'te Hightower - Alabama

CB

1. Stephon Gilmore - South Carolina Hope he plays up to bar actually this season
2. Cliff Harris - Oregon
3. Morris Claiborne - LSU Agree, very good player, great tackler
4. Dre Kirkpatrick - Alabama
5. Xavier Rhodes - Florida St Could argue he is better than all of these corners easily, and he just might be after this year

FS

1. Robert Lester - Alabama
2. Markelle Martin - Oklahoma St.
3. T.J. McDonald - USC
4. Lance Mitchell - Oregon St.
5. Delano Howell - Stanford

SS

1. Ray Ray Armstrong - Miami Not a fan of his, he has tons to work on in my opinion, will see how he plays this year
2. Tony Dye - UCLA Give me George Iloka over him any day
3. Sean Cattouse - Cal
4. Kenny Tate - Maryland He is moving to linebacker I believe, and should, he is more dangerous around the line of scrimmage and or blitzing than in coverage.
5. Mark Barron - Alabama He is better than these other safeties potentially

Babylon
08-27-2011, 01:41 PM
With Ozzy in Kalil the top OT and i would say DeCastro is the second best O-lineman in the country.

CashmoneyDrew
08-27-2011, 02:03 PM
With Ozzy in Kalil the top OT and i would say DeCastro is the second best O-lineman in the country.

Let's not hype him too much. He must be a Titan come next draft day.

J52
08-27-2011, 08:56 PM
Ray Ray Armstrong hasn't proved he could make it as an undrafted free agent. He was benched multiple times last year in favor of a guy who left Miami and didn't even try out for the NFL. He can't tackle. He's slow. He can't cover. He's built like a malnourished African child. He's commited NCAA violations.

I can't name much positive about him besides 5 stars from scout and rivals...

Ozzy
08-28-2011, 08:32 AM
Ray Ray Armstrong hasn't proved he could make it as an undrafted free agent. He was benched multiple times last year in favor of a guy who left Miami and didn't even try out for the NFL. He can't tackle. He's slow. He can't cover. He's built like a malnourished African child. He's commited NCAA violations.

I can't name much positive about him besides 5 stars from scout and rivals...I totally agree with that, he has a long way to go before becoming an elite prospect at safety.

Hurricanes25
08-29-2011, 01:42 AM
Ray Ray Armstrong hasn't proved he could make it as an undrafted free agent. He was benched multiple times last year in favor of a guy who left Miami and didn't even try out for the NFL. He can't tackle. He's slow. He can't cover. He's built like a malnourished African child. He's commited NCAA violations.

I can't name much positive about him besides 5 stars from scout and rivals...

What player would that be?

And I think everybody knows that right now it's all about potential when it comes to Ray Ray.

khorn
08-29-2011, 04:16 AM
Alshon Jeffrey might be the next Mike Williams/Maurice Clarett. Dude just absolutely blew up.
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/ejones001/Alshon-Jeffrey-Is-Fat.jpg

K Train
08-31-2011, 09:18 AM
Flacco absolutely dominated at Delaware.

WTF no he did not at all

bearsfan_51
08-31-2011, 09:26 AM
WTF no he did not at all
I hate stupid internet acronyms. Are you five? Great counter-argument by the way.

I guess it depends on how you define "dominate" but Flacco threw for 4200 yards, 23 touchdowns, only threw 5 intereceptions, and made the championship game. I'd say that's pretty dominant. But LMAO if you don't agree.

Iamcanadian
08-31-2011, 09:59 AM
Anybody who has Jeffrey as the #1 WR hasn't been a draftnik long enough.
Spurrier has sent many WR's to pro football as #1 and #2 round draft picks and almost everyone of them has flopped as a pro. He simply relies on his offensive system to make WR's look far better than they actually are. Spurrier places his better athletes who could play WR at DB and has produced many fine DB's for pro football but I repeat, his WR's mostly flop or are huge disappointments.
Jeffrey will be very lucky to see round 1 as pro GM's are very aware of his tendency to put inferior athletes at the WR position and often downgrade them 1 round for playing in Spurrier's offensive system.

CashmoneyDrew
08-31-2011, 10:15 AM
Anybody who has Jeffrey as the #1 WR hasn't been a draftnik long enough.
Spurrier has sent many WR's to pro football as #1 and #2 round draft picks and almost everyone of them has flopped as a pro. He simply relies on his offensive system to make WR's look far better than they actually are. Spurrier places his better athletes who could play WR at DB and has produced many fine DB's for pro football but I repeat, his WR's mostly flop or are huge disappointments.
Jeffrey will be very lucky to see round 1 as pro GM's are very aware of his tendency to put inferior athletes at the WR position and often downgrade them 1 round for playing in Spurrier's offensive system.

Did you really just copy and paste the same lame argument word for word in four different threads?

K Train
08-31-2011, 11:56 AM
I hate stupid internet acronyms. Are you five? Great counter-argument by the way.

I guess it depends on how you define "dominate" but Flacco threw for 4200 yards, 23 touchdowns, only threw 5 intereceptions, and made the championship game. I'd say that's pretty dominant. But LMAO if you don't agree.

i guess you never watched flacco then (i mean why would you though), he probably should have dominated being that it was 1-AA. Thats a solid season stat wise but he was never "dominant" he should have crushed the world playing at a much lower competition level.

i mean i get why you go the "lmao are you 5?" "why u mad?" "lolwut" argument since you probably never saw flacco throw a college pass at delaware but go ahead and google his senior year stats for all you inside info

bearsfan_51
08-31-2011, 12:04 PM
i guess you never watched flacco then (i mean why would you though), he probably should have dominated being that it was 1-AA. Thats a solid season stat wise but he was never "dominant" he should have crushed the world playing at a much lower competition level.

i mean i get why you go the "lmao are you 5?" "why u mad?" "lolwut" argument since you probably never saw flacco throw a college pass at delaware but go ahead and google his senior year stats for all you inside info
How is 4000+ yards and 32 touchdowns, along with a championship game appearance, not dominant? What would you have him do?