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shylo3716
08-29-2011, 03:18 PM
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THE TOP HEISMAN CONTENDERS
1. Stanford (http://stanford.rivals.com/) QB Andrew Luck (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=406998)
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The buzz: Some have predicted a Stanford decline because of the departure of coach Jim Harbaugh, but the Cardinal has gone from consistent loser to championship contender with Luck at quarterback. If Luck continues to be effective and the Cardinal continue to win, the trophy likely will be his.
2. Oregon (http://oregon.rivals.com/) TB LaMichael James (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=401660)
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The buzz: The Ducks' speedster has rushed for more than 1,500 yards in each of his two seasons. Last season, he led the nation with 1,731 rushing yards despite missing a game. This season, he could make a run at 2,000 yards.
3. Alabama (http://alabama.rivals.com/) TB Trent Richardson (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=420289)
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The buzz: There are Alabama fans who have been saying that Richardson was better than former Tide tailback Mark Ingram, the 2009 Heisman recipient. Sure, fans can be prone to hyperbole -- especially those in the SEC -- but in this case, they may be right. Richardson has power and explosive speed. He's rushed for 1,451 yards and 14 TDs in two seasons as a backup. Imagine what he can do now that he's the starter.
4. Michigan (http://michigan.rivals.com/) QB Denard Robinson (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=421574)
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The buzz: Last season, his first as a starter, Robinson averaged 328.6 yards of total offense per game -- the second-highest in the country. A capable passer and a big-play threat as a rusher, can Robinson put up the same type of numbers for new coach Brady Hoke (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=1058), who has scrapped the Wolverines' spread offense?
5. Oklahoma (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/) QB Landry Jones (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=404659)
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The buzz: OU is the preseason No. 1 team, so Jones is a top contender based on that alone. Five of the past seven Heisman recipients were quarterbacks whose teams played in the national championship game. Yet, Jones has "real" credentials, too. He passed for 4,718 yards and 38 TDs in '10.
6. Oklahoma State (http://oklahomastate.rivals.com/) WR Justin Blackmon (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=406619)
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The buzz: No wide receiver has won the Heisman without also returning kicks, which Blackmon does not do. But times are changing. Until '09, no Alabama player had won it. Until '07, no sophomore had won it -- and there have been three sophomore winners. Blackmon could be another first. Last season, he had 111 receptions for a national-leading 1,782 yards and 20 touchdowns despite missing one game.
7. Boise State (http://boisestate.rivals.com/) QB Kellen Moore (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=381107)
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The buzz: No player from outside the Big Six conferences has won the Heisman since BYU's Ty Detmer in 1990. But Moore has a shot. Last season, he led the nation in passing efficiency. He has passed for more than 3,400 yards in three consecutive seasons. The Broncos are 38-2 with him as their starting quarterback, and he should become the winningest career starting quarterback in FBS history this season.
8. South Carolina (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/) TB Marcus Lattimore (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=424411)
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The buzz: So what does he do for an encore? As a true freshman last season Lattimore rushed for 1,197 yards and 17 TDs despite missing one game and getting only one carry in another. In fact, he had fewer than 20 carries in eight games. The bet here is he gets more opportunities this season.
9. West Virginia (http://westvirginia.rivals.com/) QB Geno Smith (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=421573)
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The buzz: In 2010, Smith passed for 2,763 yards and 24 TDs as a first-year starter. Now, he's directing new coach Dana Holgorsen (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Coach=195)'s high-powered offense. In each of Holgorsen's four seasons as an offensive coordinator, his quarterback has passed for more than 4,000 yards.
10. Houston (http://houston.rivals.com/) QB Case Keenum (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=75233)
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The buzz: He is one of Holgorsen's former pupils. Keenum finished eighth in the 2009 Heisman voting after passing for 5,671 yards. This season, he's returning from an injury that ruined his 2010 campaign. But Keenum could be first player to pass for 6,000 yards in a season.
ANOTHER DANDY DOZEN TO WATCH
Wisconsin (http://wisconsin.rivals.com/) RB Montee Ball (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=411796)
Oklahoma (http://oklahoma.rivals.com/) WR Ryan Broyles (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=84816)
USC (http://usc.rivals.com/) QB Matt Barkley (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=411112)
Auburn (http://auburn.rivals.com/) TB Mike Dyer (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=425213)
Notre Dame (http://notredame.rivals.com/) WR Michael Floyd (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=401813)
South Carolina (http://southcarolina.rivals.com/) WR Alshon Jeffery (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=419318)
Florida State (http://floridastate.rivals.com/) QB E.J. Manuel (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=401472)
Nebraska (http://nebraska.rivals.com/) QB Taylor Martinez (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=411287)
Oregon (http://oregon.rivals.com/) QB Darron Thomas (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=400930)
Virginia Tech (http://virginiatech.rivals.com/) QB Logan Thomas (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=419842)
Oklahoma State (http://oklahomastate.rivals.com/) QB Brandon Weeden (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=383470)
Arkansas (http://arkansas.rivals.com/) QB Tyler Wilson (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=401623)

shylo3716
08-29-2011, 03:19 PM
I have my eye on E.J. Manuel especially when he has 6'6'' 245 Kelvin Benjamin on the receiving end on redzone plays.

jrdrylie
08-29-2011, 03:41 PM
I think Landry Jones is too low. In fact, if you listed him at number 2, he'd be too low I think. Andrew Luck is the best player in the country, but I think Stanford loses at least two games while I have Oklahoma in the National Championship game. They will post similar stats, but the fact that Oklahoma will likely have a better record will push Jones over the top.

shylo3716
08-29-2011, 03:48 PM
My sleeper pick that is under the radar is.........Justin Hunter WR Tennesee who = A.J. Green 2.0 IMO

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 03:59 PM
Top 10 Heisman Contenders

1. Andrew Luck
2. Landry Jones
3. Trent Richardson
4. Geno Smith
5. Lamichael James
6. Denard Robinson
7. Darron Thomas
8. Michael Floyd
9. Kellen Moore
10. Matt Barkley

MassNole
08-29-2011, 05:12 PM
I have my eye on E.J. Manuel especially when he has 6'6'' 245 Kelvin Benjamin on the receiving end on redzone plays.

KB1 won't get much run this year. Nick O'Leary looks like the top redzone threat.

thenewfeature06
08-29-2011, 05:17 PM
I will put my left nut on EJ Manuel not winning the Heisman.

If I narrowed it down to 3 it would be Luck, Jones, and probably James.

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 05:32 PM
I will put my left nut on EJ Manuel not winning the Heisman.

If I narrowed it down to 3 it would be Luck, Jones, and probably James.
I'm rooting for E.J. Manuel now.

thenewfeature06
08-29-2011, 05:38 PM
Nooooooooooooooo that is like hoping for injury.

BigJohn98
08-29-2011, 05:52 PM
I will put my left nut on EJ Manuel not winning the Heisman.

If I narrowed it down to 3 it would be Luck, Jones, and probably James.

Fortunately for your left nut, he's not gonna win it.

sbh15
08-29-2011, 05:57 PM
if i see one more person even suggest ej manuel will win the heisman my head is going to explode

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 06:10 PM
if i see one more person even suggest ej manuel will win the heisman my head is going to explode
It's really not that long of a shot depending on how much you buy into the Florida State hype. He is either the hero or scapegoat this year because all of the surrounding pieces seem to be there, and he has shown promise in limited appearances.

But, I don't buy into the FSU hype so much that I think Manuel is a Heisman contender.

shylo3716
08-29-2011, 06:11 PM
if i see one more person even suggest ej manuel will win the heisman my head is going to explode

Aaaaaaah be quiet LOL are you feeling a certain way because of no UF candidates :D

Plenty of candidates rise & fall EVERY year & he has the supporting cast especially with his Defense to help win ball games.

Pat Sims 90
08-29-2011, 06:44 PM
if i see one more person even suggest ej manuel will win the heisman my head is going to explode

If i see any one suggest that any one from the ACC will win the Heisman my head will explode.

sbh15
08-29-2011, 07:50 PM
Aaaaaaah be quiet LOL are you feeling a certain way because of no UF candidates :D

Plenty of candidates rise & fall EVERY year & he has the supporting cast especially with his Defense to help win ball games.

no i'm feeling a certain way because ej manuel isn't very good. i think logan thomas has a better chance to win the heisman and i've never even seen him play. i'd be damn near shocked if va tech doesn't make it through their schedule undefeated

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 07:53 PM
no i'm feeling a certain way because ej manuel isn't very good. i think logan thomas has a better chance to win the heisman and i've never even seen him play. i'd be damn near shocked if va tech doesn't make it through their schedule undefeated
Schedule is pretty cupcake, meaning Logan Thomas is going to have to put up crazy numbers to win it. Therefore, he doesn't even have an outside chance.

tjsunstein
09-04-2011, 11:09 PM
Is it too early to be ranking the candidates on a week to week basis? Has anything changed for anyone since preseason?

SickwithIt1010
09-06-2011, 11:59 AM
Gimme some Robert Woods!

Long shot, but helluva first game.

BigJohn98
09-06-2011, 01:02 PM
If i see any one suggest that any one from the ACC will win the Heisman my head will explode.

Are players in the ACC not allowed to win the Heisman?

Pat Sims 90
09-06-2011, 01:05 PM
Are players in the ACC not allowed to win the Heisman?

Yes just like the Big East

TheFinisher
09-06-2011, 01:27 PM
1. Landry Jones
2. Andrew Luck
3. Trent Richardson
4. Kellen Moore
5. RG3
6. Marcus Lattimore
7. LaMichael James
8. Russell Wilson
9. Geno Smith
10. Denard Robinson

tjsunstein
09-06-2011, 04:14 PM
Yes just like the Big East
Geno Smith would like to have a word with you.
If WVU goes the distance, he's in serious contention.

tjsunstein
09-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Heisman Watch Post Week One:

1. Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
2. Robert Woods, WR USC
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
5. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
6. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
7. Ray Graham, RB Pittsburgh
8. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
9. Dominique Whaley, RB Oklahoma
10. David Wilson, RB Virginia Tech

LaMichael James won't win the Heisman this year solely based on his performance against LSU. Book it.

FUNBUNCHER
09-10-2011, 09:28 PM
Watch NC State transfer QB Russell Wilson leading the Wisconsin Badgers.
He's completing almost 80% of his passes and Wisconsin should go through the Big 10 undefeated.

Wisconsin and Alabama in the NC!!

Wilson is my Heisman darkhorse along with Lattimore.

EDIT: How many games does UM have to win for Denard to be a serious Heisman contender??? 9?? 10?

STsACE
09-12-2011, 12:54 PM
Watch NC State transfer QB Russell Wilson leading the Wisconsin Badgers.
He's completing almost 80% of his passes and Wisconsin should go through the Big 10 undefeated.

Wisconsin and Alabama in the NC!!

Wilson is my Heisman darkhorse along with Lattimore.

EDIT: How many games does UM have to win for Denard to be serious Heisman contender??? 9?? 10?

As a UM fan, they better end up in the B1G Championship game or within 1 maybe 2 games depending on his performances.

He's quite an ATHLETE, but having to depend on just his arm going to a pro-style offense, I don't see him in the talks at the end of the season. If Bourges scraps the "Let's turn him into a pro-style QB right now mindset" and opens up the imagination like the 2nd half, then there is a good chance he'll be mentioned week in and week out for the Heisman.

Our defense is too weak is depend on a spread option QB turning into a pro-style QB.

sbh15
09-12-2011, 02:57 PM
depending on whether or not florida keeps up their play, look out for chris rainey. he's been scary good in weis' offense. his only opponents thus far have been scrubs, so i'm going to watch him closely against tenn

Byrd430
09-12-2011, 11:28 PM
I think RG3 fades about like Denard Robinson did last season for Michigan. Explosive player, good athlete, better arm than robinson, but will be exposed in big Big 12 games this season.

Not as impressed as I thought I'd be given his performance.... if that makes any sense at all.

At the moment, I'm seeing Kellen Moore/Landry Jones

tjsunstein
09-14-2011, 09:59 AM
Heisman Watch Post Week One:

1. Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
2. Robert Woods, WR USC
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
5. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
6. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
7. Ray Graham, RB Pittsburgh
8. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
9. Dominique Whaley, RB Oklahoma
10. David Wilson, RB Virginia Tech

LaMichael James won't win the Heisman this year solely based on his performance against LSU. Book it.
What's the count?

Heisman Watch Post Week Two:

1. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
4. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
5. Denard Robinson, QB Michigan
6. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
7. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
8. Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
9. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
10. Taylor Martinez, QB Nebraska

It's still early that the week to week rankings will fluctuate due to bye weeks, and level of competition. We're getting into the swing of things and some statements can be made this weekend as two Top-5 teams face off and 12 Top 25 teams are on the road.

JoeJoeBrown
09-14-2011, 10:14 AM
What's the count?

Heisman Watch Post Week Two:

1. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
4. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
5. Denard Robinson, QB Michigan
6. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
7. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
8. Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State
9. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
10. Taylor Martinez, QB Nebraska

It's still early that the week to week rankings will fluctuate due to bye weeks, and level of competition. We're getting into the swing of things and some statements can be made this weekend as two Top-5 teams face off and 12 Top 25 teams are on the road.

Denard and his underthrown arm punts have no business being in any top 10 Heisman list. He is a farce. A very athletic hybrid RB/WR type that can occasionally complete a desperation pass.

tjsunstein
09-14-2011, 10:55 AM
Denard and his underthrown arm punts have no business being in any top 10 Heisman list. He is a farce. A very athletic hybrid RB/WR type that can occasionally complete a desperation pass.
You'd be right if you were referring to Denard as a prospect but at this point, we're evaluating him as a college football player and the game against Notre Dame will be his Heisman moment if he continues to lead Michigan to success.

JoeJoeBrown
09-14-2011, 03:16 PM
You'd be right if you were referring to Denard as a prospect but at this point, we're evaluating him as a college football player and the game against Notre Dame will be his Heisman moment if he continues to lead Michigan to success.

I watched that game and was stunned at how those terrible passes were being caught. ND must have the worst DBs in the history of college football.

The kid is a rotten QB and the B1G schedule will once again prove that. I remember this hype last year. During the first five games he was a stud and he was a Heisman candidate. After that, nada.

We've got to remember that this UM-ND game was contest of two teams with a grand total of ONE BCS bowl win between them. ONE. Boise Freaking State has more than those two programs combined. Digest that for a minute.

Utah has just as many as those two. So does TCU.

tjsunstein
09-14-2011, 03:22 PM
I watched that game and was stunned at how those terrible passes were being caught. ND must have the worst DBs in the history of college football.

The kid is a rotten QB and the B1G schedule will once again prove that. I remember this hype last year. During the first five games he was a stud and he was a Heisman candidate. After that, nada.

I don't disagree with any of what you said but the performance he had on Saturday in the 4th quarter certainly puts him in the discussion right now. Do I think he survives the B1G schedule? No. Not at all. But at this time, I think what he's done has warranted the 5th spot he currently holds.

JoeJoeBrown
09-14-2011, 03:53 PM
I don't disagree with any of what you said but the performance he had on Saturday in the 4th quarter certainly puts him in the discussion right now. Do I think he survives the B1G schedule? No. Not at all. But at this time, I think what he's done has warranted the 5th spot he currently holds.

As stipulated, I will let your ranking stand :)

CashmoneyDrew
09-14-2011, 05:24 PM
Why is Trent Richardson on the list?

Complex
09-14-2011, 05:29 PM
Why is Trent Richardson on the list?

Cause he faces 11 in the box and his O-Line sucks. Oh and he was Godly in High school and faster than Mark Ingram.

tjsunstein
09-14-2011, 05:40 PM
Why is Trent Richardson on the list?
5 touchdowns through 2 games. I know someone's going to say, 'Well, he doesn't have the yards and his average is pretty low for a Heisman candidate.' In the win over Kent State, he had 13 carries. 4 inside the 10. 3 resulting in TDs. Last week against a very solid Penn State team, he went for 111 yards on 26 carries and added another 2 TDs. He also accounted for 5 of Alabama's 19 first downs there. It's the amount of scores he has right now, and the pace he's on for the #2 team in the nation. He certainly isn't any kind of frontrunner right now but he does deserve to be on the list. He'll be able to solidify himself when SEC play begins.

CashmoneyDrew
09-14-2011, 06:05 PM
We'll see I guess. I've always thought he was overrated. These first two games haven't helped.

tjsunstein
09-14-2011, 07:15 PM
We'll see I guess. I've always thought he was overrated. These first two games haven't helped.
The general consensus not only on this board is that the kid is overrated. I'm a big Richardson supporter but I'm starting to see where these concerns grow from. He's not the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the field anymore and although he can carry his own, his running style is too confrontational. He'd rather run someone over than make a move. He has the ability to make a move, run over or around you but he's still relying on his physical ability rather than peaking around for openings. I saw a couple openings against Penn State that he didn't even consider. It's becoming concerning.

Basically, his vision isn't what it should be.
How far can his physical abilities take him?
He has a ton of talent but he doesn't know how to utilize it.

Rabscuttle
09-17-2011, 09:45 AM
He's not getting enough carries to wear down defences for his benefit, but his backups are going to love running past the bodies.

49erNation85
09-17-2011, 06:46 PM
Y'all hating on Moore at number 6 IMO he is top 3 next to luck.

tjsunstein
09-19-2011, 06:19 PM
Heisman Watch Post Week 3:

1. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
2. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
3. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
4. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
5. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
6. Taylor Martinez, QB Nebraska
7. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
8. Geno Smith, QB West Virginia
9. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
10. Case Keenum, QB Houston

tjsunstein
09-19-2011, 06:29 PM
Geno Smith plays LSU at home, and that will basically set his stock as far as the rest of the season goes.

Of course, all other contenders have to perform well as well but this game as home is season defining for Geno.

These are the games that make or break a campaign.

I've already ruled out Lamichael James because of the week 1 loss. Even with a monster game last week, he ranks just 21st among yards.

soybean
09-19-2011, 06:47 PM
No Barkley?

He's having a better year than luck.

I'll say he wins it if he can emulate Carson's numbers from the year he won it.

tjsunstein
09-19-2011, 06:56 PM
No Barkley as of now. He has plenty of time to get on though with games @ND, vs. Stan, and @Oregon

M.O.T.H.
09-19-2011, 07:12 PM
It's Lattimore's if SCAR keeps winning. But you just never know what they're going to do.

On paper, SCAR should easily beat their next 5 opponents, but aside from Lattimore, the team is really underperforming.

keylime_5
09-19-2011, 07:18 PM
if carolina keeps winning AND if he stays healthy. A big physical back like Lattimore that's easier said than done usually.

and i doubt Moore wins it with that crap schedule. There will be a player on a good team that plays more good teams who will be deserving.

tjsunstein
09-19-2011, 07:20 PM
Chris Rainey could even be on there at 9 or 10 the more I think about it.
520 yards from scrimmage and 4 TDs, and a punt return TD.

M.O.T.H.
09-19-2011, 07:37 PM
if carolina keeps winning AND if he stays healthy. A big physical back like Lattimore that's easier said than done usually.

and i doubt Moore wins it with that crap schedule. There will be a player on a good team that plays more good teams who will be deserving.

We'll see. I'm more concerned with the wins, than the injury bug in this regard, right now. I mean, it's not much different than when Ingram won it. He was a big ole back too. The added muscle should at least aid, in his ability to stay healthy. It's impossible to tell, but I think he'll be fine, health wise. I just dont know if the wins will be there for him. But yes, he does need both, if he's going to win it. haha.

sbh15
09-19-2011, 07:55 PM
depending on whether or not florida keeps up their play, look out for chris rainey. he's been scary good in weis' offense. his only opponents thus far have been scrubs, so i'm going to watch him closely against tenn

Chris Rainey could even be on there at 9 or 10 the more I think about it.
520 yards from scrimmage and 4 TDs, and a punt return TD.

yep. he'll be on there after a manhandling of kentucky and i think we upset alabama. home game and uf could not match up better with them defensively, honestly. nobody is going to get much running done against this front 7, and alabama has a shaky passing game. only question will be if the gators can move the ball against that d. if rainey has a good game against alabama, i think uf wins. unfortunately the next game after that is an away matchup with lsu.

shylo3716
09-27-2011, 04:36 PM
How are we looking on the Standings this week?

sbh15
09-27-2011, 04:43 PM
i think tyrann mathieu has to make an appearance sometime soon... keeps causing turnovers and is arguably the best player on one of the best defenses in the country

tjsunstein
09-27-2011, 05:17 PM
Weird that you guys posted, I was going to update this earlier today but had to run and honestly didn't feel like putting the thought into it at the time.

Heisman Watch Post Week 3:

1. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
2. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
3. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
4. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
5. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
6. Taylor Martinez, QB Nebraska
7. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
8. Geno Smith, QB West Virginia
9. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
10. Case Keenum, QB Houston
The top really remains the same.

Heisman Watch Post Week 4:

1. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
2. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
3. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
4. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
5. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
6. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
7. Lamichael James, RB Oregon
8. Taylor Martinez, QB Nebraska
9. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
10. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma

We're about two weeks away from this really taking shape, in my opinion.

I really wanted to find a spot for Taj Boyd, QB Clemson but it wasn't in the cards this week. Lucky for him, he has a game in Blacksburg this weekend. Step up Boyd. If he wins with a good performance, he's easily top 5. Beating three ranked opponents won't go unnoticed. If you swapped him in for Landry right now, I wouldn't dispute that.

If you remember, I eliminated Lamichael James for disappearing against LSU week one, and missing on a huge opportunity for a Heisman moment. That was the biggest game on Oregon's schedule. And still is. But even I can't ignore 288 yards on the ground. So for now, he's back. He still won't be in the top 3 without a 'Heisman moment' but he's put himself back on the conversation. The disappearing act against LSU is almost excusable at this point with how well LSU is playing.

Speaking of LSU's defense, Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU and one of my picks for breakout players of the year is on the list. He's a baller, no really other way to say it. The measurables aren't there but he produces and is certainly a talent to keep an eye on.

Andrew Luck was knocked down because of an off week for Stanford, and really an underwhelming season thus far as far as the Heisman goes.

You'll notice that the top 3 in QB rating are represented here, as well as the top two rushers in the country.

Now, tear it apart.

nrk
09-27-2011, 05:51 PM
Baylor has only played one legitimate team, but RG3 has more touchdowns (13) than incompletions (12). That's ridiculous.

Also, Landry Jones shall now be referred to as Laundry Jones.

shylo3716
09-27-2011, 06:03 PM
I know it's Boyd's team but Sammy Watkins anyone?

sbh15
09-27-2011, 06:09 PM
taj boyd and chris rainey are right outside the top 10 for me, so i agree with the list. mathieu will move into my top five if he balls against bama like he did against oregon and west virginia. rainey can make his way into the legitimate discussion with a big game against alabama and will get some serious love if florida manages to take down both bama and lsu, but i doubt that.

tjsunstein
09-27-2011, 06:42 PM
I know it's Boyd's team but Sammy Watkins anyone?
Sammy Watkins is legit, but like you said it's Boyd's team.

And in response to you, no problem. It'll be cool to look at this when the final count does come around. I don't think I'm mirroring any lists by any sites because I really don't think anyone does it aside from ESPN, but if it does look that way, I promise these lists are 100 percent original and that's what makes it fun on a week to week basis.

Rainey is fringe right now with the likes of Denard Robinson, who most have a lot higher than they should. Guilty for that once.

shylo3716
09-27-2011, 06:58 PM
Sammy Watkins is legit, but like you said it's Boyd's team.

And in response to you, no problem. It'll be cool to look at this when the final count does come around. I don't think I'm mirroring any lists by any sites because I really don't think anyone does it aside from ESPN, but if it does look that way, I promise these lists are 100 percent original and that's what makes it fun on a week to week basis.

Rainey is fringe right now with the likes of Denard Robinson, who most have a lot higher than they should. Guilty for that once.

I'm not following no one elses list, but your's weekly so don't slip up on us with the weekly updates

tjsunstein
09-27-2011, 07:18 PM
I'm not following no one elses list, but your's weekly so don't slip up on us with the weekly updates
They'll be up on Tuesdays, most likely. The weekend, then the case of the Mondays always delays everything.

So, what's the discussion here? No debate? I has a sad.

TACKLE
09-28-2011, 03:47 AM
Doubt he gets serious Heisman talk unless SC starts dominating but I think one could make a case for Robert Woods being the best football player in the nation.

tjsunstein
09-30-2011, 06:59 PM
I had Ray Graham on the list after Week One and rightfully so, but as much as he's done for Pittsburgh this season I'm not sure it can make up for their lack of team success. As we all know, the Heisman is very contingent on team success as much as individual play.

shylo3716
09-30-2011, 08:56 PM
Still no Miller Time????? He is killing defenses! It has to be a crime he does not get consideration as a Top 10 guy as of now through 3 games.

http://canespundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/miler3.jpg

BigJohn98
09-30-2011, 09:00 PM
Still no Miller Time????? He is killing defenses! It has to be a crime he does not get consideration as a Top 10 guy as of now through 3 games.

http://canespundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/miler3.jpg

He's not gonna get any Heisman talk because Miami is not good.

shylo3716
09-30-2011, 09:09 PM
He's not gonna get any Heisman talk because Miami is not good.

That's Larceny!

sbh15
10-01-2011, 01:05 AM
That's Larceny!

i'm thinking you might want to double check your word choice there. also, miller is not even in the discussion.

cmarq83
10-01-2011, 09:56 AM
That's Larceny!

Yeah wc there is not good. Libel, slander, blasphemy, or sacrilege all work better if you're in this same situation again.

49erNation85
10-01-2011, 06:06 PM
Alright SEC fans.Big game of the week is near an hour away,GO GATORS!!!

TACKLE
10-01-2011, 11:18 PM
Doubt he gets serious Heisman talk unless SC starts dominating but I think one could make a case for Robert Woods being the best football player in the nation.

..........

yup

tjsunstein
10-03-2011, 07:03 PM
Heisman Watch Post Week 4:

1. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
2. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
3. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
4. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
5. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
6. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
7. Lamichael James, RB Oregon
8. Taylor Martinez, QB Nebraska
9. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
10. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma

Heisman Watch Post Week 5:

1. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
2. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
3. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
4. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
5. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
6. Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina
7. Lamichael James, RB Oregon
8. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
9. Taj Boyd, QB Clemson
10. Robert Woods, WR USC

I don't think there is a clear cut #1 right now, but I'd have to go Griffin if I were forced to chose despite his lone interception on the year being a costly one in the loss to KSU. 18 TDs to 1 INT is impressive.

We're going to see an Andrew Luck push in the coming weeks, and it might catapult him into that #1 spot if Baylor can't win out on Griffin's back.

Richardson will have his chance at the LSU defense in due time. He's been nothing short of impressive since the Kent State game, in which he still scored 3 TDs.

Russell Wilson has played near flawless for a top 5 team in the country but won't accumulate the stats necessary to actually win but he remains on the list.

Lattimore had an off game in a loss which is why he dropped a little.

James had a bye week, but back to back 200 yard weeks keep him on the list.

Boyd led Clemson to yet another win against a ranked opponent, but he didn't do it in a flashy way. The fact that he was even able to go into Blacksburg and win after beating Auburn and FSU was impressive. He'll have plenty more opportunities to rise big with two remaining road games vs ranked opponents. (@SCAR, @GT)

Robert Woods had no problem bouncing Landry Jones from the top 10.

As always, tear it apart. I'd love to hear your opinions.

Braves225
10-03-2011, 07:26 PM
Russell Wilson! Let's goooooooo!

TheFinisher
10-06-2011, 12:56 PM
1. Robert Griffin|QB|Baylor
2. Andrew Luck|QB|Stanford
3. Landry Jones|QB|Oklahoma
4. Russell Wilson|QB|Wisconsin
5. Kellen Moore|QB|Boise St.
6. Trent Richardson|RB|Alabama
7. Tyrann Mathieu|CB|LSU
8. Marcus Lattimore|RB|S. Carolina
9. LaMichael James|RB|Oregon
10. Robert Woods|WR|USC

RealityCheck
10-08-2011, 12:38 AM
Nice to see Moore still in Heisman talk even playing only 3 quarters per game. That's a sign of how good the guy actually is.

RCAChainGang
10-08-2011, 12:49 AM
http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics32/640/PN/PNIGMATWMBLZCBL.20110904021821.JPG

shylo3716
10-08-2011, 06:24 PM
It's a damn shame that Miller would never get a Heisman consideration, because we suck. He is arguably a Top 3 Heisman candidate right now.

sbh15
10-08-2011, 07:47 PM
It's a damn shame that Miller would never get a Heisman consideration, because we suck. He is arguably a Top 3 Heisman candidate right now.

seriously? make me an argument that puts him ahead of any of the following: kellen moore, trent richardson, tyrann mathieu, landry jones, russell wilson, marcus lattimore, etc. miller isn't even sniffing heisman talk, but he is very good.

JRTPlaya21
10-08-2011, 08:07 PM
seriously? make me an argument that puts him ahead of any of the following: kellen moore, trent richardson, tyrann mathieu, landry jones, russell wilson, marcus lattimore, etc. miller isn't even sniffing heisman talk, but he is very good.

What this guy said. Tenfold.

tjsunstein
10-09-2011, 11:51 AM
It's a damn shame that Miller would never get a Heisman consideration, because we suck. He is arguably a Top 3 Heisman candidate right now.
In a discussion like this, you literally cannot take team success out of the equation. Not even hypothetically, which SWDC loves to use, can I make a case for Miller over even Tyrann Mathieu.

sbh15
10-09-2011, 12:54 PM
if mathieu makes a statement in the bama game, he becomes my front runner. right now he'd take a trip to new york with luck, moore, and richardson, imo. rg3 is now on the outside looking in.

Brent
10-09-2011, 01:10 PM
It's a damn shame that Miller would never get a Heisman consideration, because we suck. He is arguably a Top 3 Heisman candidate right now.
lol, oh Miami fans.

bearsfan_51
10-09-2011, 01:34 PM
Some of these lists are confusing, at best.

1) Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
2) Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
3) Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
4) Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

And, for right now anyway, that's pretty much it.

sbh15
10-09-2011, 01:36 PM
forgot wilson in my list. i'd put him in the top 4 ahead of mathieu for now

bearsfan_51
10-09-2011, 01:38 PM
Moore threw 6 picks last year. He's already thrown 4 this year.

tjsunstein
10-11-2011, 12:57 PM
if mathieu makes a statement in the bama game, he becomes my front runner. right now he'd take a trip to new york with luck, moore, and richardson, imo. rg3 is now on the outside looking in.
For Mathieu to win, no one can finish undefeated.

SickwithIt1010
10-11-2011, 02:45 PM
Moore threw 6 picks last year. He's already thrown 4 this year.

I bet hes got more td's at this point as well.

Not to mention, with Moore...he could very well go the rest of the season throwing 2 picks or less.

bearsfan_51
10-11-2011, 03:18 PM
I bet hes got more td's at this point as well.

Not to mention, with Moore...he could very well go the rest of the season throwing 2 picks or less.
Er...no. He had 35 touchdowns this year, he has 17 so far. He would need 18 touchdowns and only 2 picks, as well as average about 12 yards per pass attempt, just to have as good of a season as he had last year, when he still had almost no shot at winning the Heisman.

tjsunstein
10-11-2011, 03:20 PM
Er...no. He had 35 touchdowns this year, he has 17 so far. He would need 18 touchdowns and only 2 picks, as well as average about 12 yards per pass attempt, just to have as good of a season as he had last year, when he still had almost no shot at winning the Heisman.
It's going to be a better possibility if Moore has Boise State in legitimate contention (ranked #1 or #2) very late in the year.

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 10:52 AM
Did I miss a week? I think I did. I apologize.

Heisman Watch Post Week 7:
1. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
2. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
5. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
8. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon
9. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
10. Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson

Honorable Mention: Bernard Pierce, RB Temple

JoeJoeBrown
10-20-2011, 03:02 PM
So sad that ArmPunt isn't on the list anymore. He does so well against crappy teams.

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 03:10 PM
So sad that ArmPunt isn't on the list anymore. He does so well against crappy teams.
Denard Robinson, I assume?

niel89
10-20-2011, 03:11 PM
The real meat of Stanford's schedule is coming up and should really vault Luck up if he wins those games.

gpngc
10-20-2011, 03:14 PM
2011 HEISMAN TROPHY - ODDS TO WIN
12051 AARON MURRAY +5000
12052 ANDREW LUCK +275
12053 BRANDON WEEDEN +1200
12054 CASE KEENUM +5000
12055 CHRIS POLK
12056 DARRON THOMAS
12057 DENARD ROBINSON +1500
12058 JUSTIN BLACKMON +5000
12059 KIRK COUSINS +17500
12060 LAMICHAEL JAMES
12061 LANDRY JONES +300
12062 MARCUS LATTIMORE
12063 MATT BARKLEY +6000
12064 MICHAEL FLOYD +12500
12065 ROBERT GRIFFIN III +5000
12066 RYAN BROYLES +10000
12067 TRENT RICHARDSON +500
12068 RUSSELL WILSON +500
12069 GENO SMITH +5000
12070 LAMAR MILLER +12500
12071 DAVID WILSON +12500
12072 T.Y. HILTON +12500
12073 KELLEN MOORE +1200
12074 TAJH BOYD +5000
12075 SAMMY WATKINS +5000


What do you all think?

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 03:16 PM
The real meat of Stanford's schedule is coming up and should really vault Luck up if he wins those games.
Exactly. Honestly, I have all the confidence in the world that he'll do just that. But, up until this point there have been more impressive individuals as far as stats and 'plays' go. Luck is easily the best player in college football, though.

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 03:16 PM
I'd take the Luck and Wilson bets.

nrk
10-20-2011, 03:26 PM
Exactly. Honestly, I have all the confidence in the world that he'll do just that. But, up until this point there have been more impressive individuals as far as stats and 'plays' go. Luck is easily the best player in college football, though.

There shouldn't be considering Stanford hasn't even played a winning team yet.

RGIII should be #1 out of the candidates so far but won't be because of his team. RGIII has been better against higher competition so far out of the quarterbacks, imo.

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 03:28 PM
There shouldn't be considering Stanford hasn't even played a winning team yet.

RGIII should be #1 out of the candidates but won't be because of his team. RGIII has been better against higher competition so far, imo.
It's the nature of the beast. It's going to be very interesting where Griffin ends up on the ballots.

nrk
10-20-2011, 04:25 PM
It's the nature of the beast. It's going to be very interesting where Griffin ends up on the ballots.

Yeah, it's a shame too. Some players who may be deserving won't win because of their position, what a joke.

Not to say any of these guys don't deserve it. I don't doubt that Luck will prove he should be #1 of the Heisman contenders at the end of year.

shylo3716
10-20-2011, 05:03 PM
Did I miss a week? I think I did. I apologize.

Heisman Watch Post Week 7:
1. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
2. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
5. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
8. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon
9. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
10. Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson

Honorable Mention: Bernard Pierce, RB Temple

Sammy Should be higher

JoeJoeBrown
10-20-2011, 05:11 PM
Denard Robinson, I assume?

Yes. I hate UM. He's a poor man's Percy Harvin that has no business playing QB full time.

I like your lists, however :)

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 09:32 PM
Sammy Should be higher
Over who? The top 6 is pretty solidified, and Landry Jones is doing enough to stick around although a case could be made that Broyles is more deserving.

shylo3716
10-24-2011, 10:34 AM
Tajh Boyd 5TDs with 5 different WRs and still undefeated. What are the odds we see both he and Watkins in New York in December?

Shane P. Hallam
10-24-2011, 10:42 AM
Tajh Boyd 5TDs with 5 different WRs and still undefeated. What are the odds we see both he and Watkins in New York in December?

I'd say unlikely.

tjsunstein
10-24-2011, 10:52 AM
Boyd could very well be there, but not Watkins.

JoeJoeBrown
10-24-2011, 01:33 PM
Yeah, it's a shame too. Some players who may be deserving won't win because of their position, what a joke.

Not to say any of these guys don't deserve it. I don't doubt that Luck will prove he should be #1 of the Heisman contenders at the end of year.

What about the awesome defensive players out there? The linemen? Some of these guys are year in and year out the best players in the nation, yet they aren't even given a snif. Suh was the best player by far two years ago and barely got third.

The Heisman has been about the best offensive skill player on one of the top teams for decades.

It's simply not a best player award so I can't see why it would bother you that one of the best players on a mediocre team is getting overlooked.

The Heisman is a joke.

nrk
10-25-2011, 11:32 AM
What about the awesome defensive players out there? The linemen? Some of these guys are year in and year out the best players in the nation, yet they aren't even given a snif. Suh was the best player by far two years ago and barely got third.

The Heisman has been about the best offensive skill player on one of the top teams for decades.

It's simply not a best player award so I can't see why it would bother you that one of the best players on a mediocre team is getting overlooked.

The Heisman is a joke.

As I said in the post you quoted, some people will be overlooked because of their position. Defensive players and linemen fall into that category.

Where did I ever say it bothered me? I said it was a shame. Its one of the most prestigious college football awards that is suppose to be an individual award but it isn't. You called it a joke and that's pretty much my sentiments.

tjsunstein
10-27-2011, 12:46 PM
Did I miss a week? I think I did. I apologize.

Heisman Watch Post Week 7:
1. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
2. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
3. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
4. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
5. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
8. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon
9. Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma
10. Sammy Watkins, WR Clemson

Honorable Mention: Bernard Pierce, RB Temple

Heisman Watch Post Week 8:
1. Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
2. Andrew Luck, QB Stanford
3. Tajh Boyd, QB Clemson
4. Kellen Moore, QB Boise State
5. Russell Wilson, QB Wisconsin
6. Tyrann Mathieu, CB LSU
7. Robert Griffin, QB Baylor
8. Robert Woods, WR USC
9. Case Keenum, QB Houston
10. Darron Thomas, QB Oregon

Honorable Mentions:
Bernard Pierce, RB Temple
Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma State
Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma

tjsunstein
10-28-2011, 12:27 AM
Case Keenum threw 9 TDs tonight.

SolidGold
10-28-2011, 07:29 AM
Case Keenum threw 9 TDs tonight.

Keenum's epic performance last night should boost his heisman stock. They have a pretty good shot at going undefeated as well. 9 tds in a game is ridiculous.

shylo3716
10-30-2011, 11:03 AM
You most definitely can count Boyd out now after that loss

RealityCheck
10-30-2011, 04:46 PM
Heisman Watch post Week 8

1. Case Keenum, QB, Houston
2. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
4. Kellen Moore, QB, Boise State
5. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State

shylo3716
12-03-2011, 04:46 PM
Bumping this.Tyrann Mathieu has to be the #1 guy off the strength of special teams along with his defensive playhis year.

JRTPlaya21
12-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Lmao right.

sbh15
12-03-2011, 04:52 PM
i think he should at least get an invite, especially considering the heisman has just become the best player on the best team. mathieu definitely is lsu's biggest playmaker

JRTPlaya21
12-03-2011, 06:01 PM
Invite Trent, Luck, RG3, Badger & Ball and be done with it.

SolidGold
12-03-2011, 06:08 PM
Kellen Moore too

JRTPlaya21
12-03-2011, 06:12 PM
So he can finish a respectable 4th or 5th? Sure, why not.

SolidGold
12-03-2011, 06:14 PM
So he can finish a respectable 4th or 5th? Sure, why not.

I'd put him over Ball, RG3 and Mathieu (just because I know he won't get any heisman appreciation although he should)

ZRO
12-03-2011, 08:03 PM
There's no way in hell Mathieu should get Heisman consideration. There are so many more deserving players.

FUNBUNCHER
12-04-2011, 05:25 AM
Luck/RGIII/Barkley/Richardson/Ball.

Keenum and Moore sit at home.

It's tough because lately we haven't had this many guys who've put up Heisman worthy seasons in the same year.

I could make legitimate arguments for my top 5 guys to win the award.

shylo3716
12-04-2011, 09:23 AM
There's no way in hell Mathieu should get Heisman consideration. There are so many more deserving players.

http://images.fungopher.com/S/d/w/SdwbFGrTb/Are-you-serious.jpg

Iamcanadian
12-04-2011, 11:45 AM
RG111 and Ball should battle it out. Richardson did nothing against LSU in his biggest game of the year and Luck had only a so so game against Oregon.

Shane P. Hallam
12-04-2011, 11:48 AM
My ballot would be:

1. RGIII
2. Ball
3. Richardson
4. Luck
5. Mathieu

Iamcanadian
12-04-2011, 12:01 PM
My ballot would be:

1. RGIII
2. Ball
3. Richardson
4. Luck
5. Mathieu

Looks about right to me.

Halsey
12-04-2011, 12:19 PM
I really don't know who should win the Heisman. How can I objectively compare Trent Richardson to Andrew Luck to Robert Griffin to Tyran Mathieu to whoever else? I might vote on Mathieu because he's the best player on the best team.

ZRO
12-04-2011, 01:18 PM
http://images.fungopher.com/S/d/w/SdwbFGrTb/Are-you-serious.jpg

If you think Mathieu is one of the five best players in the country then you're smoking crack. People are just hyping him up because they feel like LSU needs to have someone there since they're #1.

TACKLE
12-04-2011, 01:27 PM
I really don't know who should win the Heisman. How can I objectively compare Trent Richardson to Andrew Luck to Robert Griffin to Tyran Mathieu to whoever else? I might vote on Mathieu because he's the best player on the best team.

*Most impactful.

Morris Claiborne is definitely their best player.

niel89
12-04-2011, 01:42 PM
I want to make the argument for Luck at some point soon because he is doing so much stuff that doesn't show up in the stats. His checks and presnap reads are a huge contributing factor for the outstanding running game. Put him in one of those spread systems like Weeden and his stats would blow up like crazy.


Is there any argument for Richardson over Ball now?

SickwithIt1010
12-04-2011, 02:40 PM
People really dont realize how good of a season Matt Barkley just had.

SolidGold
12-04-2011, 05:39 PM
I forgot about Barkley...yea he deserves to go but I think he is being punished for the USC sanctions.

JHL6719
12-04-2011, 05:51 PM
RG111 and Ball should battle it out. Richardson did nothing against LSU in his biggest game of the year and Luck had only a so so game against Oregon.


Trent had almost 170 total yards from scrimmage against LSU. That's a little better than doing nothing.

You've got to be a barner... no other explanation.

Shane P. Hallam
12-04-2011, 05:54 PM
Scott's Heisman ballot (www.twitter.com/DraftCountdown):

1. Andrew Luck,
2. Robert Griffin,
3. Trent Richardson,
4. Justin Blackmon,
5. Russell Wilson

jrdrylie
12-04-2011, 05:55 PM
http://images.fungopher.com/S/d/w/SdwbFGrTb/Are-you-serious.jpg

Mathieu has been impressive. But he is overrated because he plays for the number one team. He only has two interceptions. As far as returns go, he doesn't return kickoffs and there are other guys just as good at returning punts. If I'm going to vote for a defensive player from LSU, it would be Claiborne, not Mathieu.

My ballot would be:

1. Robert Griffin III
2. Montee Bell
3. Trent Richardson
4. Brandon Weeden
5. Matt Barkley

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-04-2011, 06:22 PM
Having Richardson but not Montee Ball is a sad joke.

bearsfan_51
12-04-2011, 06:23 PM
Scott's Heisman ballot (www.twitter.com/DraftCountdown):

1. Andrew Luck,
2. Robert Griffin,
3. Trent Richardson,
4. Justin Blackmon,
5. Russell Wilson
That's ******* terrible.

bearsfan_51
12-04-2011, 06:25 PM
It will be a ******* travesty if Luck wins. I don't care if he's a future #1 pick, I don't care if he came back to play in college, etc. There's no argument, none, that makes any sense, that puts Luck as the best player in college football this year.

bearsfan_51
12-04-2011, 06:27 PM
Robert Griffin or Montee Ball

That's it.

vidae
12-04-2011, 06:28 PM
I'd love for Baylor to have a Heisman winner, but I love RG3 so I'm a bit biased.

DeepThreat
12-04-2011, 06:46 PM
It will be a ******* travesty if Luck wins. I don't care if he's a future #1 pick, I don't care if he came back to play in college, etc. There's no argument, none, that makes any sense, that puts Luck as the best player in college football this year.

This. I would give the Heisman to Richardson.

bearsfan_51
12-04-2011, 06:49 PM
Richardson racked up yards against ****** teams.

The best individual performance by a QB was Griffin. For a RB it was Ball. That's it.

soybean
12-04-2011, 06:51 PM
It's gotta be griffin. Luck is a joke. Didn't even have the best season in his own conference.

SolidGold
12-04-2011, 06:53 PM
Griffin should not win...I would have Barkley win before Griffin. Griffin has rec'd alot of hype, that Oklahoma win is diminished due to the shellacking Ok St put on them last night.

JHL6719
12-04-2011, 07:07 PM
Richardson racked up yards against ****** teams.

The best individual performance by a QB was Griffin. For a RB it was Ball. That's it.


There isn't a single offensive statistic that was compiled in the Big-12 that didn't come against ****** defenses.

That's why there's typically 3-4 QB's every year in the Big-12 compiling "Heisman" numbers.

bearsfan_51
12-04-2011, 07:14 PM
There isn't a single offensive statistic that was compiled in the Big-12 that didn't come against ****** defenses.

That's why there's typically 3-4 QB's every year in the Big-12 compiling "Heisman" numbers.
I'll grant you that. I just think Griffin was crazy good this year.

My personal vote is for Montee Ball. 2nd most touchdowns for a runningback all time behind Barry Sanders? It's really a shame he isn't getting more talk.

JRTPlaya21
12-04-2011, 07:17 PM
Montee is having quite the year but the fact that he is endorsing Russell more isn't helping his case. Like man be humble and all but admit that you yourself are having one hell of a year.

sbh15
12-04-2011, 09:16 PM
i'd bet richardson wins given the news that bama will be in the national championship.

my list would probably be something like
1. robert griffin, baylor
2. montee ball, wisconsin
3. tyrann mathieu, lsu
4a. andrew luck, stanford
4b. matt barkley, usc
5. trent richardson, alabama

edit: had baylor managed to pull off a bcs berth, i think griffin would be the front-runner for the real voting

jrdrylie
12-04-2011, 09:25 PM
edit: had baylor managed to pull off a bcs berth, i think griffin would be the front-runner for the real voting

ESPN reported that based on their early projections, RGIII will be the winner.

Complex
12-04-2011, 09:28 PM
Plus its Baylor it's harder to win at Baylor than at Stanford. Dan Patrick said that good teams used to call Baylor "Byelor", they were that bad.

Shane P. Hallam
12-04-2011, 10:30 PM
ESPN reported that based on their early projections, RGIII will be the winner.

Yeah, it looks like it. Luck probably 2nd I'd bet.

diabsoule
12-04-2011, 10:47 PM
RGIII deserves to be the winner. My ballot would be:

1. RGIII
2. Trent Richardson
3. Montee Ball
4. Andrew Luck
5. Tyrann Mathieu

comahan
12-04-2011, 10:51 PM
It will be a ******* travesty if Luck wins. I don't care if he's a future #1 pick, I don't care if he came back to play in college, etc. There's no argument, none, that makes any sense, that puts Luck as the best player in college football this year.

The best argument for Luck is that he's doing what hes doing, and leading Stanford to where it is with a supporting cast that is no where near what most of the other top Quarterbacks have. Still, I dont think he deserves the trophy.

RG3 all the way.

jrdrylie
12-04-2011, 10:59 PM
The best argument for Luck is that he's doing what hes doing, and leading Stanford to where it is with a supporting cast that is no where near what most of the other top Quarterbacks have. Still, I dont think he deserves the trophy.

RG3 all the way.

That is Luck's only argument. The only problem is that Baylor is just as untalented as Stanford. The only way he wins is if voters decide that Most Outstanding is defined as the best NFL prospect.

J-Mike88
12-04-2011, 11:12 PM
ESPN reported that based on their early projections, RGIII will be the winner.
Good, he deserves it.

Still wondering what Monte Ball has to do to get above Trent Richardson.
Transfer to an SEC school?

TACKLE
12-04-2011, 11:20 PM
I've decided that Montee Ball would get my Heisman vote. The way I see it is that if a player with Trent's hype and ability put up identical numbers (even at Wisconsin) there is no doubt he would win the Heisman. Not to mention, he's the star player on the B1G 10 champs which doesn't hurt either. No matter how I try to slice it, I just can't get past the 1760 rushing yards and 38 totals TD's. Trent and RG3 would be my runner-ups.

With that being said, I think Trent wins it though I do wonder if people's resentment towards Bama being in the NC might effect that. Hmmm....now I'm thinking it's gonna be RG3.

jayceheathman
12-04-2011, 11:53 PM
$500 for me if RG3 wins. :)

Iamcanadian
12-05-2011, 01:28 AM
Good, he deserves it.

Still wondering what Monte Ball has to do to get above Trent Richardson.
Transfer to an SEC school?

I think RG111 has it locked up but I won't be at all shocked if Ball beats out Richardson. Ball's stats are suddenly getting some attention and Alabama making it to the National Championship game could actually work in Ball's favour.

Cigaro
12-05-2011, 01:44 AM
1. Robert Griffin III
2. Montee Ball
3. Tyrann Mathieu
4. Andrew Luck
5. Trent Richardson

RaiderNation
12-05-2011, 03:11 AM
Trent Richardson
Andrew Luck
Tyrann Mathieu
Montee Ball
Robert Griffin III

I believe being a great player on one of the top teams should get this title, and Richardson has been the top player in the toughest conference that just out 2 teams in the same division in the BCS championship game. I think Richardson will lead 'Bama to a victory over LSU and it will be clear to why he won the Heisman.

MetSox17
12-05-2011, 03:18 AM
I agree with bf_51 that it has to be either RGIII or Montee Ball. I'm gonna throw up if Trent Richardson wins it.

Complex
12-05-2011, 12:22 PM
Griffin's opponent: Texas. The Longhorns had struggled again this season, but they'd been solid defensively. They came into the game ranked No. 7 nationally in run defense; No. 8 in pass efficiency defense; and No. 9 in total defense. They had not allowed a touchdown pass of 20 yards or longer. No other team could make that claim. That note was made all the more impressive since UT plays in a league packed with prolific passers.

Skeptics have tried to dismiss Griffin's play by knocking the level of competition. They say he only plays against porous defenses. While it's true that he's not exactly facing the 1985 Chicago Bears on a weekly basis, he stacks quite well compared to the other top Heisman QBs.

Griffin has played four top 50 (scoring) defenses: TCU (30), Missouri (44), Oklahoma (37) and Texas (42nd). In those games, Griffin has thrown 14 TDs and almost 390 yards per game, been picked off once and has run for three more TDs. His team also scored 24 points per game more than those other teams average allowing.

Stanford's Andrew Luck has faced three such defenses: USC (47), Oregon (48) and Notre Dame (28). In those games, Luck has thrown 10 TDs, four INTs and has run for one TD. His team averaged 15 points above what those teams normally yield.

USC's Matt Barkley faced four such defenses: Utah (18), Notre Dame (28) Stanford (23) and Oregon (48). He has a 11-3 TD-INT ratio, and his team scored 14 ppg more than what those teams usually surrender.

The biggest differentiator for me in regard to Griffin and everyone else this season is the impact he has had on that program and this team. Consider this: Baylor is 109th in the country in scoring defense and 114th in total D and still 9-3. They are the only team ranked worse than 100th in scoring defense that even has a winning record. Take RG3 off this team and they're not even a bowl team. With him, they're 9-3 and in the top 20.

RGIII > all

bucfan12
12-05-2011, 12:37 PM
Honestly, this crap has to stop with giving the Heisman to the best player on the best team. (Mark Ingram in 2019 and Sam Bradford in 2008). I like Trent Richardson, but he does not deserve the Heisman, but I think he's top 3.

I think the top 3 candidates this year are clearly
1. Robert Griffin
2. Tryan Matheu
3. Richardson
4. Luck

Griffin definately is the top player, but Matheu has been an absoulte playmaker.

I think it will be a hard decision but it's Griffin for me that edges out Matheu. They both had those Heisman moments that lifted there teams when needed most.

sbh15
12-05-2011, 02:43 PM
Honestly, this crap has to stop with giving the Heisman to the best player on the best team. (Mark Ingram in 2019 and Sam Bradford in 2008). I like Trent Richardson, but he does not deserve the Heisman, but I think he's top 3.

I think the top 3 candidates this year are clearly
1. Robert Griffin
2. Tryan Matheu
3. Richardson
4. Luck

Griffin definately is the top player, but Matheu has been an absoulte playmaker.

I think it will be a hard decision but it's Griffin for me that edges out Matheu. They both had those Heisman moments that lifted there teams when needed most.

you start off by bitching about stopping the best player on the best team stuff, and then rank mathieu, richardson, and luck ahead of montee ball. doesn't make much sense

jrdrylie
12-05-2011, 03:22 PM
Stiff Arm Trophy is projecting Griffin in a landslide. They know 10% of the votes so far.

Shane P. Hallam
12-05-2011, 05:22 PM
Finalists are:

Ball
Griffin
Luck
Mathieu
Richardson

ATLDirtyBirds
12-05-2011, 05:25 PM
Finalists are:

Ball
Griffin
Luck
Mathieu
Richardson

1. RGIII
2. Ball
3. Richardson
4. Luck
5. Mathieu

Shane P. Hallam
12-05-2011, 05:26 PM
1. RGIII
2. Ball
3. Richardson
4. Luck
5. Mathieu

I posted my ballot earlier (with these 5 on it actually). My guess, it will go down:


1. RGIII
2. Luck
3. Ball
4. Richardson
5. Mathieu


I think Luck/Ball is a close call though.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-05-2011, 05:28 PM
I posted my ballot earlier (with these 5 on it actually). My guess, it will go down:


1. RGIII
2. Luck
3. Ball
4. Richardson
5. Mathieu


I think Luck/Ball is a close call though.

That was my ballot. As for a prediction? I'd agree with you except I bet Richardson ends up 3, Ball 4.

soybean
12-05-2011, 05:29 PM
God Im sick of Andrew Luck hype. He better not win the heisman.

I hate the fact that we reward people for having a crap team, that should help someone's case not make it.

Also, he got by by beating powerhouses Duke and San Jose State.

Then proceeded to get waxed by Oregon.

All of this is making me hate him which isn't fair cause none of it is his fault.

Shane P. Hallam
12-05-2011, 05:29 PM
That was my ballot. As for a prediction? I'd agree with you except I bet Richardson ends up 3, Ball 4.

Early numbers are indicating:

1. Griffin
2. Luck
3. Richardson
4. Mathieu
5. Ball

Complex
12-05-2011, 05:35 PM
Does OJ still have a Heisman vote? If he does do you have to email your vote or can you mail it? also are you allowed to watch college football in the joint?

comahan
12-05-2011, 05:42 PM
1-RG3
2-Ball
3-Barkley
4-Mathieu
5-Luck

Would have been my 5, in that order.

keylime_5
12-05-2011, 06:00 PM
Should be Griffin, but the voters are stupid and are blinded by the team the player is on. Richardson would not be a finalist if Alabama had a lousy defense and/or didn't win that many games. Luck is a finalist mostly due to hype. He should probably be a finalist, but he will get waay more votes than he should. Mathieu kinda disappeared for a month during the season and is the 2nd best CB on LSU. I could see giving it to Ball b/c of the TDs, but a lot of that is due to his system and having Russell Wilson expand that offense to the max.

Here are Griffin's stats:

-4657 total yards
-45 touchdowns
-only 6 interceptions

and he had the key upset victories he needed against Oklahoma and Texas with the signature moment being his TD throw to beat OU.

SickwithIt1010
12-05-2011, 06:07 PM
1-RG3
2-Ball
3-Barkley
4-Mathieu
5-Luck

Would have been my 5, in that order.

Looks right to me, but I would have Richardson over Luck.

Barkley is getting hosed.

Anton Chigurh
12-05-2011, 06:38 PM
I hope Tyrann Mathieu wins it. He's the best player on the country's best team.

I'm thinking Andrew Luck wins it because of reputation, even though Matt Barkley was the best QB in the PAC 12.

wogitalia
12-05-2011, 07:20 PM
Is Barkley eligible or do they pretend he doesn't exist like his whole program?

JRTPlaya21
12-05-2011, 07:21 PM
Thank Reggie Bush for Barkley getting hosed. Anyways I'd love for Trent to win but if not hopefully RG3 or Ball.

keylime_5
12-05-2011, 07:23 PM
I hope Tyrann Mathieu wins it. He's the best player on the country's best team.

I'm thinking Andrew Luck wins it because of reputation, even though Matt Barkley was the best QB in the PAC 12.

that's a really dumb reason to give someone the heisman, though it is a big part of how the heisman works these days. the team shouldn't have to do with it like it does. if alabama's defense was terrible then it would drastically hurt trent richardson's chances of winning the heisman. how stupid is that? Mathieu being a finalist is reward enough for his season. Claiborne is the best DB on LSU too.

Complex
12-05-2011, 07:25 PM
Barkley isn't getting hosed unless he really wanted a invite to the Heisman because he wasn't going to win it. USC fans should be happy,this would give him more of a reason to stay in school.

TheBoyWonder22
12-05-2011, 07:37 PM
I'm biased, but 38(9) tds is ******* insane. I don't care what system you're in.40 td passes is likely systematic amplification. But name another rb who came close to 38. Its too farfetched. Plus, 2nd leading rusher in FBS.

1. Ball
2. RGIII
3. Luck
4. Mathieu
5. Richardson

SolidGold
12-07-2011, 07:57 AM
Why do people bring up Griffin's game against Oklahoma but fail to mention is game against Ok St?

Luck gets alot of grief for that Oregon loss, the only loss of the season for Stanford but he still put up better numbers than Griffin did vs Ok St. which was Baylor's second of three losses.

Also I hear alot of chat about what Griffin did at Baylor...what about what Luck did at Stanford? Stanford is not some powerhouse loaded with talent, the whole reason they have been as good as they are is Andrew Luck.

I just see alot of people buying into the Griffin hype, if he wins the Heisman it will be somewhat of a joke. I doubt Luck will win it unfortunately so I am hoping one of the RBs take it over Griffin.

Sloopy
12-07-2011, 09:13 AM
I gotta give it to Ball here, most deserving but since it's really become the best college QB of the year award it would be RGIII (close second anyway)

My rankings:

1. Ball
2. RGIII
3. Richardson
4. Mathieu
5. Luck

However all this doesn't matter, we know what BS is about to go down:

1. Luck
2. Richardson
3. Robert Griffin III
4. Ball
5. Mathieu

(again these aren't my rankings, this is just how I know it will turn out because this award is a joke)

Shane P. Hallam
12-07-2011, 09:18 AM
However all this doesn't matter, we know what BS is about to go down:

1. Luck
2. Richardson
3. Robert Griffin III
4. Ball
5. Mathieu

(again these aren't my rankings, this is just how I know it will turn out because this award is a joke)

RGIII is squarely in the lead with about 1/5th of the votes made public. Looks like it will be:

1. RGIII
2. Luck
3. Richardson
4. Ball
5. Mathieu

Ball/Mathieu pretty close though.

Sloopy
12-07-2011, 09:25 AM
Well I guess I was sort of right, it's still going to be the best QB in college award. It's a shame that Ball won't win it and that he is behind Richardson. Luck being #2 is the kind of BS I am talking about

Shane P. Hallam
12-07-2011, 09:27 AM
Well I guess I was sort of right, it's still going to be the best QB in college award. It's a shame that Ball won't win it and that he is behind Richardson. Luck being #2 is the kind of BS I am talking about

Mark Ingram won it two years ago, don't think it has automatically become best QB in college. If Wisconsin was undefeated and crushing people and Ball was getting more carries, I imagine Ball would win it, but with more stats than just TDs, he won't win it.

Shane P. Hallam
12-07-2011, 09:30 AM
Also seems Collin Klein and Luke Kuechly both have received a 3rd place vote!

Sloopy
12-07-2011, 09:33 AM
Mark Ingram won it two years ago, don't think it has automatically become best QB in college. If Wisconsin was undefeated and crushing people and Ball was getting more carries, I imagine Ball would win it, but with more stats than just TDs, he won't win it.

Yea but of the last 10, 8 have been QB's as opposed to the previous decade where 4/10 were QB's

SolidGold
12-07-2011, 10:24 AM
Also seems Collin Klein and Luke Kuechly both have received a 3rd place vote!

Both well deserved...actually surprised Klein did not get more national recognition.

shylo3716
12-07-2011, 08:22 PM
RG3 is the "proven winner"

If Luck wins this thing I will not watch college football none next season!

gpngc
12-07-2011, 08:29 PM
RG3 won. It's over.

Shane P. Hallam
12-08-2011, 10:00 AM
Yup, www.stiffarmtrophy.com who has been 9 for 9 on predicting the award, officially says that Robert Griffin will win the Heisman after 22% of the ballots have been made public.

FUNBUNCHER
12-08-2011, 10:35 AM
Stanford's offense is run heavy and complimented by the pass. If Luck threw the ball 35+ times a game, he'd probably have almost 4500 yards and over 40 TDs.
It's weird but he's not really featured in Stanford's offense.

Montee Hall has multiple highlights were he's literally not even touched before getting to the endzone. When your Oline looks like they deserve the Heisman more than you do, your chances of winning as a RB aren't great IMO.
I've never seen a Montee Ball highlight where it looks like he's doing something amazing at the RB position. Compare that to Trent Richardson.

niel89
12-08-2011, 04:29 PM
Stanford's offense is run heavy and complimented by the pass. If Luck threw the ball 35+ times a game, he'd probably have almost 4500 yards and over 40 TDs.
It's weird but he's not really featured in Stanford's offense.


Seriously, you put Luck in a pass first offense and he easily puts up 45+ TDs and a ton of yards. The offense isn't geared to take a ton of deep shots or to really even attack through the air that much. If the run play is there, Luck will check to the run and attack them on the ground. Just because he isn't throwing the ball every play doesn't mean he isn't having a major effect on every play.

Luck does more for his team than any other player in college football. The guy gets 3 plays in the huddle and pick the one he thinks is best at the line. The OC can bring up to 350 plays into each game because Luck is actually able to.

BeerBaron
12-09-2011, 07:32 AM
I agree with Pat Forde's rankings here:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_heisman_trophy_vote_backed_stats_120811


1. Robert Griffin III
2. Tyrann Mathieu
3. Andrew Luck

I'd agree with Griffin or Luck winning it. And if you subscribe to the school of thought that the best player on the best team should be in the conversation, then Mathieu works too.

But, if I had to bet, I'd say it goes to Richardson. Sigh. SEC bias and all.

Shane P. Hallam
12-09-2011, 08:50 AM
I agree with Pat Forde's rankings here:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_heisman_trophy_vote_backed_stats_120811



I'd agree with Griffin or Luck winning it. And if you subscribe to the school of thought that the best player on the best team should be in the conversation, then Mathieu works too.

But, if I had to bet, I'd say it goes to Richardson. Sigh. SEC bias and all.


It's over my man, it is Griffin.

BeerBaron
12-09-2011, 08:51 AM
It's over my man, it is Griffin.

Really now? Baby steps in the right direction for college football.

iowatreat54
12-09-2011, 09:52 AM
Really now? Baby steps in the right direction for college football.

Just when I thought college football couldn't get any dumber, they go and do something like this... and totally redeem themselves!

Saints-Tigers
12-09-2011, 12:54 PM
I wonder if Honeybadger would win if he gave a ****?

nrk
12-09-2011, 01:01 PM
Stanford's offense is run heavy and complimented by the pass. If Luck threw the ball 35+ times a game, he'd probably have almost 4500 yards and over 40 TDs.
It's weird but he's not really featured in Stanford's offense.

Luck has more pass attempts than RG3. Only by a few attempts, but I didn't expect that to be the case.

vidae
12-10-2011, 07:55 PM
It went to the right guy. Go RG3!

SickwithIt1010
12-10-2011, 07:57 PM
Glad they gave it to him. He was the best player in the country this year, woulda been a shame to give it to anyone else.

vidae
12-10-2011, 07:58 PM
Ball only gets 348 points? Bunch of idiots.

SickwithIt1010
12-10-2011, 07:59 PM
Ball only gets 348 points? Bunch of idiots.

Idk whats worse...that, or Barkley not even getting an invite.

bearsfan_51
12-10-2011, 08:05 PM
It's pathetic Luck was even that close.

jayceheathman
12-15-2011, 10:51 PM
I won $500 on RG3. :)