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J-Mike88
08-29-2011, 04:05 PM
Saw this on ESPN late last week.... it was just Cam and Dalton. And the results were slightly in Andy Dalton, Bengals, favor. Like 60-40 IIRC.

I want to see what your guys results look like with Colt McCoy, Ponder, Vikings, and Jake Locker, Titans added in.

In a few years, these will be landslides. But who can call it right now?

hawkeye123
08-29-2011, 04:10 PM
Of that list i think Jack Locker.

Kaepernick doesn't get consideration?

V.I.P
08-29-2011, 04:35 PM
I'ma go with McCoy for now, but Locker has really impressed me.

khorn
08-29-2011, 04:41 PM
Colt McCoy.

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 04:57 PM
Define better career.
Numbers? Team success? Pro Bowls?

Pat Sims 90
08-29-2011, 05:04 PM
Andrew Luck

bearsfan_51
08-29-2011, 05:05 PM
Jake Lockner?

Unlike the other grouping, I find this one really weak. Any of them could be good (except Locker, he's going to bust super hard), but I'm not confident that any of them will.

I'll throw my hat in with McCoy. He's shown something, but needs to cut down on the turnovers.

Newton obviously has the most potential. I think Ponder has a low ceiling, but could be a serviceable starter.

Bengalsrocket
08-29-2011, 05:08 PM
I threw my vote at Dalton just because he had zero love to this point. In all honestly, I liked Locker the most pre-draft and still feel the same way. I don't know if he'll ever look as crisp as Manning or Brady, but I see him as a definitive franchise QB that will get it done.

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 05:08 PM
1. Ponder
2. McCoy

3. Dalton
4. Newton

5. Locker

bearsfan_51
08-29-2011, 05:11 PM
Locker wasn't even a good college quarterback. Stop looking at the measurables.

A Perfect Score
08-29-2011, 05:19 PM
I've been riding the Locker and Ponder bandwagons for a long time, I see no reason to change that now. I think both will be above average starters for their teams.

Brent
08-29-2011, 05:55 PM
as long as Chris Johnson is there for him to hand off to, how hard could his job be?

keylime_5
08-29-2011, 06:09 PM
How does McCoy fit into this? Shouldn't it be Gabbert on there instead considering all those guys are rookies and McCoy is a second year man?

to play devil's advocate, McCoy has great accuracy and has been showing this preseason that his arm strength won't hinder him at all, at least not in the WCO, he has plenty of zip on his throws. Reminds me of Drew Brees when he came into the league. Plus he plays for Cleveland, so I voted him.

Brodeur
08-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Where's the Ryan Mallett option?

yo123
08-29-2011, 06:18 PM
At the risk of sounding like a homer I really don't like any of the guys on the list other than Ponder. McCoy could be alright, both have fairly low ceilings though.

tjsunstein
08-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Probably right below the Terrelle Pryor option.

Splat
08-29-2011, 06:31 PM
Hook em horns.

Rosebud
08-29-2011, 08:14 PM
Locker has some talent around him and time to learn from Matt Hasselback. Provided Britt becomes less of a tard with age and Chris Johnson is still there Locker should be stepping into a good team. And given how much crap talent he had to work with in college I see him really shining once he's playing with legit talent, once he's polished a little.

FUNBUNCHER
08-29-2011, 08:38 PM
No ACC fan besides a Seminoles homer is a 'fan' of Ponder.

Dalton was my pick, I think he's going to be solid for a long time in the league, but maybe never become a star.

LonghornsLegend
08-29-2011, 09:07 PM
Why is Colt McCoy being compared to rookies? It's almost like asking who was your favorite QB from the rookie class and adding Colt. I really have no idea which rookie QB will be the best, not a big fan on anyone. Kaepernick should be on this list over Colt, and he's my best bet for the best longterm QB out of the group.

Shane P. Hallam
08-29-2011, 09:19 PM
Jake Lockner. Dude dresses nice and has a good dog

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/187002_1089121089_3310250_n.jpg

Mr.Regular
08-29-2011, 11:15 PM
Not really a fan of Locker or Dalton.

McCoy has at least shown some flashes. I'm worried about his arm, and that team doesn't have many weapons around him, but if you believe he'll keep developing than he's the smart choice....but, as a Packers fan I hate to say it, I was a big Ponder fan this past draft. Think he's going to be very good, and he's not in an awful situation (decent team, not being thrown to wolves behind that line).

Newton has the most potential, obviously, but I'm just not seeing it. Can see him busting pretty hard.

vidae
08-29-2011, 11:41 PM
I'm a fan of McCoy and I like the way they're building that team for the most part.

Scotty D
08-30-2011, 12:04 AM
I voted Dalton. Ownership/management may hold him back but I like what I've seen. I'm also a fan of the young playmakers around him. Green, Gresham, Shipley, Simpson, and Scott look like they can be solid players. Not really knowledgeable of their offensive line.

Thecollegedropout
08-30-2011, 01:13 AM
Where's the Ryan Mallett option?
Right behind the Greg McElroy warwagon option.

TACKLE
08-30-2011, 01:21 AM
i forgot people actually think that andy dalton is going to be good...

jimmylishis
08-30-2011, 03:21 AM
I don't get where people are coming from when they say Ponder has a limited ceiling. His arm strength and mobility are highly underrated. He's not Cam Newton but he's a better athlete than people give him credit for.

TitanHope
08-30-2011, 04:07 AM
Unlike the other grouping, I find this one really weak. Any of them could be good (except Locker, he's going to bust super hard), but I'm not confident that any of them will.

Locker wasn't even a good college quarterback. Stop looking at the measurables.

Why so harsh on Locker?

After his performance this preseason (Not saying he's been amazing, but I at least no longer view him as the 2-year project he was scouted as being), I'm actually kinda excited about his future. I mean, I understand if some are still hesitant, especially with it only being preseason and his disappointing senior year at Washington (Who'll probably go from winning a Bowl game to 1 or 2 wins without Locker at the helm), but to still be singling him out of a group that contains Newton, McCoy, Dalton, and Ponder? Cut him some slack, Jack.

Caddy
08-30-2011, 04:31 AM
Where is the sixth option??

OSUGiants17
08-30-2011, 08:28 AM
Luck > McCoy > Locker > Ponder > Gabbert > Newton > Greg McElroy > Dalton

DecisiveLeaf
09-01-2011, 11:38 PM
Locker, easy. Looking good after tonight's performance.

bearsfan_51
09-02-2011, 12:31 AM
Why so harsh on Locker?

After his performance this preseason (Not saying he's been amazing, but I at least no longer view him as the 2-year project he was scouted as being), I'm actually kinda excited about his future. I mean, I understand if some are still hesitant, especially with it only being preseason and his disappointing senior year at Washington (Who'll probably go from winning a Bowl game to 1 or 2 wins without Locker at the helm), but to still be singling him out of a group that contains Newton, McCoy, Dalton, and Ponder? Cut him some slack, Jack.
The Locker hype on this board is unreal (not in response to your post, just in general). But obviously I could be wrong, we'll see. I wouldn't have taken him until at least the 3rd round, and even then just on athletic ability.

bucfan12
09-02-2011, 12:36 AM
Locker, easy. Looking good after tonight's performance.

hmm...played a bunch of 3rd/4th stringers trying to make the squad.

Good sign from him that he dominated, but let's hold off. His problems has been accuracy his whole career. That doesn't change that quickly. Still has a ton of work to do.

FUNBUNCHER
09-02-2011, 12:43 AM
hmm...played a bunch of 3rd/4th stringers trying to make the squad.

Good sign from him that he dominated, but let's hold off. His problems has been accuracy his whole career. That doesn't change that quickly. Still has a ton of work to do.

Well, Beck couldn't manage to dominate playing against the Bucs 2nd and 3rd teamers tonight.

tjsunstein
09-02-2011, 12:43 AM
hmm...played a bunch of 3rd/4th stringers trying to make the squad.

Good sign from him that he dominated, but let's hold off. His problems has been accuracy his whole career. That doesn't change that quickly. Still has a ton of work to do.
Don't you know when there was virtually no offseason, preseason stats mean everything?!

tjsunstein
09-02-2011, 12:45 AM
Well, Beck couldn't manage to dominate playing against the Bucs 2nd and 3rd teamers tonight.
Because John Beck isn't good, never has been good, and never will be good. Where do people think that Washington is going to come away with more than 3 wins with him under center? They might get 4 with Grossman, but probably not.

TitanHope
09-02-2011, 04:35 AM
The Locker hype on this board is unreal (not in response to your post, just in general). But obviously I could be wrong, we'll see. I wouldn't have taken him until at least the 3rd round, and even then just on athletic ability.

Eh, I don't think it's that bad. It's been pretty sporadic though. He's gone from possibly 1st overall pick to a 2nd RD draft projection to 8 overall pick that was evaluated as a reach/likely bust to now a probable franchise QB and people climbing on the bandwagon once again.

He's like a draftnikian prodigal son. Former top prospect that everyone had a hard on for goes back for his senior year and it seems like it backfires. So they now have to move him down their boards and hop off his bandwagon. Then the draft comes and he's selected high anyway, and turns out is playing fairly well in the preseason, so now it seems like this has the chance to come full circle. And I think the fact that he's likable, and in a genuine, low key, good guy kind of way and not an always shoved in your face Tebow sort of way, only compounds his fan support. Just an attractive situation.

But yeah, I like what I've seen from him. I think Tennessee was a good spot for any of the QB's in this draft considering the talent on the OL, CJ in the backfield, and a safety net in Britt. He's had his ups and downs this preseason, and while he definitely has more refining to do, it looks like just that and not the possible project that sunk his value. His accuracy hasn't looked that bad, but to say it's been really tested would be a stretch. His footwork and resetting for throws has been the biggest issue I've seen from him, and that's waaaaaaay easier to fix than say a poor throwing motion.

Miaoww
09-02-2011, 06:31 AM
Newton, but then I don't like any QB on that list.

J-Mike88
09-02-2011, 08:49 AM
Define better career.
Numbers? Team success? Pro Bowls?
That's always open for debate.
Aikman and his rings?
Or Fouts... who was better?

Is Brees better than Rivers cuz Db has a ring?
That's a can-o-worms.

I doubt 2 of these guys have that kind of success. Maybe one?