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CC.SD
03-25-2007, 04:54 AM
I like this idea more. Tough to do O-line though.
QB: Chad Pennington
HB: Warrick Dunn
FB: Lorenzo Neal (yes he is still underrated)
TE: Ben Watson
WR: Hines Ward
WR: Donald Driver
SS: Mike Brown
FS: Deon Grant
CB: Quentin Jammer
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
OLB: Bart Scott
ILB: Demeco Ryans
OLB: Kirk Morrison
DE: Paul Spicer
DT: Mike Patterson
DT: Trevor Pryce
DE: Robert Geathers
remix 6
03-25-2007, 06:59 AM
I like this idea more. Tough to do O-line though.
QB: Chad Pennington
HB: Warrick Dunn
FB: Lorenzo Neal (yes he is still underrated)
TE: Ben Watson
WR: Hines Ward
WR: Donald Driver
SS: Mike Brown
FS: Deon Grant
CB: Quentin Jammer
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
OLB: Bart Scott
ILB: Demeco Ryans
OLB: Kirk Morrison
DE: Paul Spicer
DT: Mike Patterson
DT: Trevor Pryce
DE: Robert Geathers
watson isnt underrated. he still drops the ball and was a turnover machine. hes got a lot of work but he demands double coverage and is very fast and strong
if he can become consistent with his hands he would be a good pick
QB - Bulger
RB - Fred Taylor/Thomas Jones/Travis Henry
FB - Jeremi Johnson
TE - Dallas Clark
WR - Donald Driver
WR - Javon Walker
WR - Lee Evans
SS - Kerry Rhodes
FS - Madieu Williams
CB - Jammer
CB - Trufant
OLB - DJ Williams
MLB - Witherspoon
OLB - Bart Scott
DE - Ty Warren
DT - Vince Wilfork
DE - Will Smith
wogitalia
03-25-2007, 08:37 AM
QB - Marc Bulger
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Lorenzo Neal(Yep, I agree he is that good)
TE - Brandon Manumaleuna(His run blocking gets completely forgotten because of Gates' catching)
WR - Andre Johnson(any other team and he would be one of the leagues most popular players)
WR - Lav Coles
OL - Tarik Glenn
OL - Logan Mankins
OL - Shawn Andrews
OL - Nick Mangold
OL - Matt Light
DE - Luis Castillo
DT - Tommie Harris
DT - Pat Williams
DE - Robert Mathis
LB - Kirk Morrison
LB - Antonio Pierce
LB - Kamerion Wimbley
CB - Nnamdi Asomugha
CB - Antoine Winfield
S - Bob Sanders
S - Mike Brown
Sounds about right to me.
wogitalia
03-25-2007, 08:39 AM
Some really good choices there remix. Especially Driver, Walker, DJ and Wilfork.
remix 6
03-25-2007, 08:39 AM
QB - Marc Bulger
RB - Thomas Jones
FB - Lorenzo Neal(Yep, I agree he is that good)
TE - Brandon Manumaleuna(His run blocking gets completely forgotten because of Gates' catching)
WR - Andre Johnson(any other team and he would be one of the leagues most popular players)
WR - Lav Coles
OL - Tarik Glenn
OL - Logan Mankins
OL - Shawn Andrews
OL - Nick Mangold
OL - Matt Light
DE - Luis Castillo
DT - Tommie Harris
DT - Pat Williams
DE - Robert Mathis
LB - Kirk Morrison
LB - Antonio Pierce
LB - Kamerion Wimbley
CB - Nnamdi Asomugha
CB - Antoine Winfield
S - Bob Sanders
S - Mike Brown
Sounds about right to me.
Andrews, Harris, Pierece, Sanders are not underrated..i hear a lot about them
..people list Harris as 1 of the best DTs, Andrews as 1 ofthe best young Guards and Sanders has been mentioned top 5 safeties for awhile now
Non_Sequitur
03-25-2007, 09:45 AM
I like this idea more. Tough to do O-line though.
QB: Chad Pennington
HB: Warrick Dunn
FB: Lorenzo Neal (yes he is still underrated)
TE: Ben Watson
WR: Hines Ward
WR: Donald Driver
SS: Mike Brown
FS: Deon Grant
CB: Quentin Jammer
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
OLB: Bart Scott
ILB: Demeco Ryans
OLB: Kirk Morrison
DE: Paul Spicer
DT: Mike Patterson
DT: Trevor Pryce
DE: Robert Geathers
Honestly, as a Jets fan, it would make more sense to have Kerry Rhodes in there at Safety than it does to have Pennington at QB. Penny is underrated, sure, and maybe even the most underrated QB in the NFL. But NO Safety is more underrated than Kerry Rhodes.
princefielder28
03-25-2007, 09:48 AM
Donald Driver is VERY underrrated
Eagles own the NFC East
03-25-2007, 10:14 AM
I like this idea more. Tough to do O-line though.
QB: Chad Pennington
HB: Warrick Dunn
FB: Lorenzo Neal (yes he is still underrated)
TE: Ben Watson
WR: Hines Ward
WR: Donald Driver
SS: Mike Brown
FS: Deon Grant
CB: Quentin Jammer
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
OLB: Bart Scott
ILB: Demeco Ryans
OLB: Kirk Morrison
DE: Paul Spicer
DT: Mike Patterson
DT: Trevor Pryce
DE: Robert Geathers
Thats basically my list as well.
HoopsDemon12
03-25-2007, 10:37 AM
noone else think Kyle Van dan bosch(or however the hell you spell his name) is underated?
draftguru151
03-25-2007, 10:55 AM
Bobby McCray, Channing Crowder, Vernon Carey and Jason Peters.
bored of education
03-25-2007, 11:00 AM
As much as I don't like the Patriots, Vrabel and Wilfork are highly underrated!
yourfavestoner
03-25-2007, 11:01 AM
You guys should ask a Falcons fan about how "underrated" Warrick Dunn is.
Here's my list. I tried to stick with younger guys as much as I could:
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Fred Taylor
RB: Thomas Jones
WR: Donald Driver
WR: TJ Whosyourmama Houshmanzedah
TE: Jason Witten
OT: Khalif Barnes/Michael Roos/Jason Peters (too hard to pick just two)
OG: Justin Smiley/Mike Goff
C: ??
DE: Will Smith/Trevor Pryce
DT: Hollis Thomas/Darnell Dockett
OLB: Angelo Crowell
MLB: Kirk Morrison
OLB: Thomas Davis
CB: Nnamdi Asomugah
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Kerry Rhodes
SS: Chris Hope
sodar21
03-25-2007, 11:09 AM
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Fred Taylor
RB: Curtis Martin (still in the league?)
TE: Ben Watson
WR: Joey Galloway
WR: Andre Johnson
DE: Aaron Kampman
DT: Luis Castillo
DT: Ty Warren
DE: Aaron Schobel
LB: Mike Vrabel
LB: Donnie Edwards
LB: EJ Henderson
CB: Antoine Winfield
CB: Shawn Springs
FS: Kerry Rhodes
SS: Sean Jones
Go_Eagles77
03-25-2007, 11:11 AM
You guys should ask a Falcons fan about how "underrated" Warrick Dunn is.
Here's my list. I tried to stick with younger guys as much as I could:
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Fred Taylor
RB: Thomas Jones
WR: Donald Driver
WR: TJ Whosyourmama Houshmanzedah
TE: Jason Witten
OT: Khalif Barnes/Michael Roos/Jason Peters (too hard to pick just two)
OG: Justin Smiley/Mike Goff
C: ??
DE: Will Smith/Trevor Pryce
DT: Hollis Thomas/Darnell Dockett
OLB: Angelo Crowell
MLB: Kirk Morrison
OLB: Thomas Davis
CB: Nnamdi Asomugah
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Kerry Rhodes
SS: Chris Hope
OC= Jamaal Jackson
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FAFFKMJNAIPI/jackson_inside_051214.jpg
MP123
03-25-2007, 11:55 AM
I like this idea more. Tough to do O-line though.
QB: Chad Pennington
HB: Warrick Dunn
FB: Lorenzo Neal (yes he is still underrated)
TE: Ben Watson
WR: Hines Ward
WR: Donald Driver
SS: Mike Brown
FS: Deon Grant
CB: Quentin Jammer
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
OLB: Bart Scott
ILB: Demeco Ryans
OLB: Kirk Morrison
DE: Paul Spicer
DT: Mike Patterson
DT: Trevor Pryce
DE: Robert Geathers
I like Chad Pennington and Donald Driver. While everyone doubted Pennington last year, I thought he would perform well and take the Jets to the Playoffs. And Donald Driver had over 1,200 yards receiving.
ricky bobby
03-25-2007, 11:58 AM
OG - Chris Snee
Tiki 's success can be attributed in large part to Snee's performance. He's still young, can maul, and pull very well for his size.
Draft King
03-25-2007, 12:01 PM
I wouldn't consider Dunn underrated anymore, he was last year, and at the start of this season.. but he really just slowed down and is looking like he doesn't have it anymore. I guess we'll find out by the end of this year. The player from Atlanta I would consider underrated is Michael Boley.
bearsfan_51
03-25-2007, 12:03 PM
You guys should ask a Falcons fan about how "underrated" Warrick Dunn is.
Here's my list. I tried to stick with younger guys as much as I could:
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Fred Taylor
RB: Thomas Jones
WR: Donald Driver
WR: TJ Whosyourmama Houshmanzedah
TE: Jason Witten
OT: Khalif Barnes/Michael Roos/Jason Peters (too hard to pick just two)
OG: Justin Smiley/Mike Goff
C: ??
DE: Will Smith/Trevor Pryce
DT: Hollis Thomas/Darnell Dockett
OLB: Angelo Crowell
MLB: Kirk Morrison
OLB: Thomas Davis
CB: Nnamdi Asomugah
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Kerry Rhodes
SS: Chris Hope
That's a real nice list. Thanks for giving credit to Charles Tillman. He's working himself up into the upper ranks of cornerbacks.
SuperMcgee
03-25-2007, 12:24 PM
You guys should ask a Falcons fan about how "underrated" Warrick Dunn is.
Here's my list. I tried to stick with younger guys as much as I could:
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Fred Taylor
RB: Thomas Jones
WR: Donald Driver
WR: TJ Whosyourmama Houshmanzedah
TE: Jason Witten
OT: Khalif Barnes/Michael Roos/Jason Peters (too hard to pick just two)
OG: Justin Smiley/Mike Goff
C: ??
DE: Will Smith/Trevor Pryce
DT: Hollis Thomas/Darnell Dockett
OLB: Angelo Crowell
MLB: Kirk Morrison
OLB: Thomas Davis
CB: Nnamdi Asomugah
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Kerry Rhodes
SS: Chris Hope
Definitely a good list. I'd agree with the Philly fan that said Jackson could fill the center slot.
Pit Bull #53
03-25-2007, 12:25 PM
Center could be Dan Koppen also, and I also agree with whoever said it earlier, but Michael Boley could be a good option at OLB
Hines
03-25-2007, 01:48 PM
i agree with hines bein underrated
but for d-end u should at least concider aaron smith
and for linebacker larry foote
Scotty D
03-25-2007, 01:49 PM
Dominic Raiola is underrated. He was the Lions best o-lineman last year.
bearsfan_51
03-25-2007, 01:50 PM
Dominic Raiola is underrated. He was the Lions best o-lineman last year.
I could have been the Lions best o-lineman last year.
Scotty D
03-25-2007, 01:59 PM
I could have been the Lions best o-lineman last year.
LOL!!!!!11!
Space Ghost
03-25-2007, 02:05 PM
RB: Willie Parker
FB: Mike Karney
WR: Lee Evans
OL: Jason Peters
DE: Robert Mathis
DT: Kelly Gregg
LB: Kirk Morrison
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha
S: Sean Jones
KILLERSANTA
03-25-2007, 02:08 PM
What, No Terence Newman!!!!! Are you guys dumb, He's the best CB in the NFL and didn't make the All-Pro Team or the Probowl!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see Tnewfan41 hasn't posted in here yet, So I did it for him!
Stash
03-25-2007, 02:16 PM
As a Raider fan it is nice to see so many of you recognizing Morrison and Asomugha, they are freaking awesome.
Chief49er
03-25-2007, 02:18 PM
FB: Lorenzo Neal (yes he is still underrated)
umm.
No he isnt, he is considered one of the best blocking FB's in the game.
bored of education
03-25-2007, 02:18 PM
sean jones S from the Browns
bigbluedefense
03-25-2007, 02:20 PM
I like Hillenmeir alot for the Bears (however you spell it). I think he's a good SAM who gets lost in the Bears conversations.
Tillman is also underrated on that defense.
I think Derrick Burgess is very underrated. He still doesn't get mentioned in DE threads, even though he's been going strong 2 years straight.
Hollis Thomas is a great run stopper. Vonnie Holliday is a great pass rushing UT. I like Channing Crowder alot too. Chris Hope is underrated. Marcus Washington is too, he's my favorite 4-3 SAM in the league.
Mike Vrabel is the definition of underrated. He's the prototype 3-4 SAM, and he gets no love at all. Him and Marcus Washington (who I feel could thrive at 3-4 SAM) are probably the closest prototypes to Carl Banks in the league today.
Ty Warren and Igor Olshanksky is underrated. I personally think Donnie Edwards is too.
If my homeboy Chase Blackburn can ever see the field, he'll show everyone how good he is. He's a diamond in the rough.
bigbluedefense
03-25-2007, 02:29 PM
Damn, I just noticed I named all defensive players. What can I say, defense is my thing.
I'll give offense a shot.
I like Mike Sellers and Mike Karney at FB.
I think JP Lossman is an underrated qb.
Eh...screw offense.
bearsfan_51
03-25-2007, 02:32 PM
sean jones S from the Browns
Unquestionably. As much as people on this board like to talk about Kerry Rhodes (which is understandable) I think Jones is better.
The Browns corners are TERRIBLE outside of Bodden, yet their passing D was respectable because of Jones.
bigbluedefense
03-25-2007, 02:34 PM
Oooooh, how can I forget Bodden! Shame on me...
yourfavestoner
03-25-2007, 02:41 PM
Damn it. I forgot about Jones, and I don't know how, because I loved him coming out of Georgia. Same goes with Burgess, Vrabel, and Washington - all players I love.
NIN1984
03-25-2007, 03:06 PM
Under
QB- J.P. Losman
HB- Ladell Betts
WR- Dennis Northcutt
WR- Jericho Cotchery
TE- Ben Watson
O-Line
Michael Roos
Chester Pitts
Casey Wiegmann
Jason Spitz
Andre Gurode
DE- Bobby McCray
DE- Dewayne White
DT- Corey Williams
DT- Kelly Gregg
OLB- Scott Fujita
MLB- Kirk Morrison
OLB- Angelo Crowell
CB- Leigh Bodden
CB- Cedric Griffin
FS- Renaldo Hill
SS- Chris Hope
islandboy843
03-25-2007, 03:21 PM
Keith Bulluck is one of the most underrated players ever.
Pit Bull #53
03-25-2007, 03:22 PM
Keith Bulluck is one of the most underrated players ever.
I think for the past 2 years, he's been overrated a bit. And he's one of my favorite players
doingthisinsteadofwork
03-25-2007, 03:44 PM
Kirk Morrison is a MLB
TPFKA#1SaintsFan
03-25-2007, 05:05 PM
QB - J.P. Losman
RB - Fred Taylor
FB - Mike Karney
WR - Laveranues Coles
WR - Darrell Jackson
TE - Desmond Clark
I don't know about O-Line, but I think both Jeff Faine and Jon Stinchcomb would be worthy of a mention.
DE - Derrick Burgess
DT - Cory Redding
DT - Hollis Thomas
DE - Trevor Pryce
LB - Keith Bulluck (most underrated player in the league IMO)
LB - Bart Scott
LB - Nick Barnett
CB - Nnamdi Asomugha
CB - Charles Tillman
S - Sean Jones
S - Chris Hope
OhioState
03-25-2007, 05:35 PM
You guys should ask a Falcons fan about how "underrated" Warrick Dunn is.
Here's my list. I tried to stick with younger guys as much as I could:
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Fred Taylor
RB: Thomas Jones
WR: Donald Driver
WR: TJ Whosyourmama Houshmanzedah
TE: Jason Witten
OT: Khalif Barnes/Michael Roos/Jason Peters (too hard to pick just two)
OG: Justin Smiley/Mike Goff
C: ??
DE: Will Smith/Trevor Pryce
DT: Hollis Thomas/Darnell Dockett
OLB: Angelo Crowell
MLB: Kirk Morrison
OLB: Thomas Davis
CB: Nnamdi Asomugah
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Kerry Rhodes
SS: Chris Hope
i really like this list, you could put nick mangold in at center, he was dominant last year as a rookie for the jets
Underrated Bucs:
Dan Buenning, LG - Was a solid lineman before his injury
Chris Hovan, NT - Important run-stuffer, and gets little credit, even from some Bucs fans
Ronde Barber, CB - Most people recognize his greatness but there are still the TNewFans out there who are ******** and think he sucks
Matthew Jones
03-25-2007, 08:26 PM
Offense:
QB: Jeff Garcia, Buccaneers
RB: Warrick Dunn, Falcons
FB: Ovie Mughelli, Ravens
WR: Mike Furrey, Lions
WR: Jerricho Cotchery, Jets
TE: Owen Daniels, Texans
TE: Desmond Clark, Bears
OT: Erik Pears, Broncos
OT: Shane Olivea, Chargers
OG: Davin Joseph, Buccaneers
OG: Todd Steussie, Rams
C: Dan Koppen, Patriots
Defense:
DE: Robert Geathers, Bengals
DE: Luis Castillo, Chargers
DT: Keith Traylor, Dolphins
DT: Fred Robbins, Giants
OLB: Kamerion Wimbley, Browns
OLB: Cato June, Buccaneers
ILB: DeMeco Ryans, Texans
ILB: London Fletcher-Baker, Redskins
CB: Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders
CB: Walt Harris, 49ers
FS: Ken Hamlin, Cowboys
SS: Kerry Rhodes, Jets
Specialists:
K: Josh Brown, Seahawks
P: Mat McBriar, Cowboys
cunningham06
03-25-2007, 10:07 PM
OC= Jamaal Jackson
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FAFFKMJNAIPI/jackson_inside_051214.jpg
I agree Jackson is underrated, he definitely should have gotten the pro bowl selection over Matt Birk.
Offense:
QB: Jeff Garcia, Buccaneers
OG: Davin Joseph, Buccaneers
Defense:
OLB: Cato June, Buccaneers
Couldn't agree more.....
Pacaveli
03-25-2007, 11:27 PM
QB: Steve McNair
RB: Thomas Jones
FB: Mike Karney
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: T.J. Houshmanzadeh
TE: Alex Smith
OT: Jason Peters
OG: Logan Mankins
C: Nick Hardwick
OG: Shawn Andrews
OT: Shane Olivea
DE: Shaun Ellis
NT: Vince Wilfork
DE: Ty Warren
OLB: Keith Bullock
ILB: Andra Davis
ILB: Kirk Morrison
OLB: DeMarcus Ware
CB: Leigh Bodden
CB: Rashean Mathis
S: Chris Hope
S: Sean Jones
The Fat Kid
03-25-2007, 11:39 PM
Alex Smith. His offense averaged 24 points per game this season its not his fault that his defense cant help him out
Steven Jackson. Was 5th in the league in rushing and 1st amoung Runningbacks in reciving and still doesnt get mentioned with elite running backs as much as he should.
Justin Griffith. Theres a reason that atlanta has lead the leauge in rushing 3 seasons in a row. Sure Michael Vicks rushing helped but someone is blocking for the running backs well
Lee Evans. If he didnt play for an underachiving team he would've made the probowl
Terrell Owens. Leading the league in TD catches has got to count for something
Kellen Winslow. He lead all Tight ends in catches, rarely gets mentioned when talking about elite Tight ends
Chad Clifton. Helped Brett Favre get sacked only 21 times despite him starting every game
Jason Brown. Protected Steve McNair's back side and helped allow him get sacked only 14 times through out the whole season
Nick Mangold. Probly one of the top centers in the afc last year
Jake Scott. Protected Peyton Manning's front side and helped allow him get sacked only 14 times
Maurice Williams. Helped block for the 3rd ranked rushing attack
Derrick Burgess. Lead his (underated) 3rd ranked defense in sacks
Tommy Kelly. Lead all DT's in solo tackles.
Vonnie Holliday. 3rd in the leauge in Combined tackles amoung DT's
Justin Smith. 3rd in the league for all defensive linemen in total tackles
Ernie Sims. 4th in tackles amoung OLBers. A tackling machine, especially for a rookie
DeMeco Ryans. Lead the league in solo tackles, no pro bowl and hes a rookie?
Sean Phillips. Tied for 2nd in sacks among linebackers and would have been a probowler had he been in the nfc
Anthony Henry. Tied for 2nd in batted passes while racking up 81 tackles. would've been a probowler had he had more interceptions
Nnamdi Asomugha. A big part of the 1st ranked pass defense
Chris Hope. Lead all DBs in tackles and didnt make the probowl.
Kerry Rhodes. Tied for 1st in DB sacks.
Steven Gostkowski
Ryan Plackemeier
Non_Sequitur
03-25-2007, 11:48 PM
DeMeco Ryans. Lead the league in solo tackles, no pro bowl and hes a rookie?
Jonathan Vilma lead the entire NFL in Solo Tackles as well as Total Tackles his rookie year and LITERALLY WASN'T EVEN ON THE PRO BOWL BALLET!!!!
a-dub83
03-25-2007, 11:56 PM
Center Jeff Saturday is most definitely underrated. He made the pro-bowl this past season, but definitely should have been the past few years.
themaninblack
03-26-2007, 12:27 AM
underrated bengals:
Madieu Williams
Jeremi Johnson
Chris Henry
Domata Peko
Justin Smith
Robert Geathers
Non_Sequitur
03-26-2007, 12:48 AM
underrated bengals:
Madieu Williams
Jeremi Johnson
Chris Henry
Domata Peko
Justin Smith
Robert Geathers
I don't see how Justin Smith or Chris Henry are underrated...
elway777
03-26-2007, 08:20 AM
Center=Tom Nalen
No brainer
Jughead10
03-26-2007, 08:37 AM
Chris Snee. Might be the second best guard in the NFC and get no love in the pro bowl voting.
yourfavestoner
03-26-2007, 10:56 AM
Chris Snee. Might be the second best guard in the NFC and get no love in the pro bowl voting.
I voted for him. :)
underrated bengals:
Madieu Williams
Jeremi Johnson
Chris Henry
Domata Peko
Justin Smith
Robert Geathers
I agree with you on Madieu and Jeremi But Chris is very respected and Justin Is good but for the price we got him at is way overated 3rd overall pick and now he is our franchise player common now. I love Peko but I am still skepticall about Geathers on weather he can play all 3 downs.
OzTitan
03-26-2007, 11:23 AM
noone else think Kyle Van dan bosch(or however the hell you spell his name) is underated?
I think he is - there was a site that made this chart with stats in less obvious categories such as hurries and QB knockdowns etc and tallied the points and he was in the top 6 or so league wide I think overall. Obviously not a end all method of comparing DE's but a sound one I think.
Although I think there are a lot of underrated DE's, particularly the bigger guys who make a huge impact on gameday but not so much on the stat sheet.
As far as the Titans go, I think Chris Hope and Michael Roos are our most underrated. Roos is a stud LT and Hope was the Titans defensive MVP last year. Bulluck I think is generally regarded fairly - not elite but very good.
Pit Bull #53
03-26-2007, 11:35 AM
Bulluck I think is generally regarded fairly - not elite but very good.
I think I should have stated what I said better, but what you said is basically what I was trying to get at. I think he is overrated in the sense that everyone says he underrated. Some think he's the best OLB, I think I could have agreed with that a couple years ago, but I don't think his play the past 2 years warrants being labeled as that. I'll buy him as a fringe top 5 OLB, though. He's very good at what he does...he's a pursuit LB that can cover, but I don't think he plays the run well enough to justify being called "elite"
yourfavestoner
03-26-2007, 11:44 AM
I think I should have stated what I said better, but what you said is basically what I was trying to get at. I think he is overrated in the sense that everyone says he underrated. Some think he's the best OLB, I think I could have agreed with that a couple years ago, but I don't think his play the past 2 years warrants being labeled as that. I'll buy him as a fringe top 5 OLB, though. He's very good at what he does...he's a pursuit LB that can cover, but I don't think he plays the run well enough to justify being called "elite"
I agree with you completely. In the Jaguars and Titans epic battles, Bulluck was the defensive player I feared the most (well, apart from "Jaguar Killer" Samari Rolle).
QB - Marc Bulger, Rams
RB - Travis Henry, Broncos
WR - Terry Glenn, Cowboys
WR - Donald Driver, Packers
TE - Jason Witten, Cowboys
T - Marc Colombo, Cowboys
T - Shane Olivea, Chargers
G - Chris Naeole, Jaguars
G - Derrick Dockery, Bills
C - Casey Wiegman, Chiefs
DE - Jared Allen, Chiefs
DE - Trevor Pryce, Ravens
DT - Aaron Smith, Steelers
DT - Ian Scott, Bears
LB - Andre Davis, Browns
LB - Kirk Morrison, Raiders
LB - Demeco Ryans, Texans
CB - Walt Harris, 49ers
CB - Ronde Barber, Buccaneers
S - Chris Hope, Titans
S - Jermaine Phillips, Buccaneers
yourfavestoner
03-26-2007, 12:06 PM
I like your list, Ward, especially Andra Davis. I'm not sure, though, but I don't think Bucs fans are very fond of Jermaine Phillips.
I like your list, Ward, especially Andra Davis. I'm not sure, though, but I don't think Bucs fans are very fond of Jermaine Phillips.
Stats aren't everything, but his speak loudly. People not being fond of a player is a good way to end up being underrated.
I like your list, Ward, especially Andra Davis. I'm not sure, though, but I don't think Bucs fans are very fond of Jermaine Phillips.
He has his good and bad moments, but Bucs fans definitely underrate him. Some guys on this site think he should be benched right away, but he is a good hitter and solid in run-support, and those are his main responsibilities. Will Allen is supposed to be our coverage S, but he blows.
I liked the list but I don't really understand how Glenn is underrated.
dcarey20
03-26-2007, 05:04 PM
QB - J.P. Losman, Bills
RB - Brian Westbrook, Eagles
FB - Jason McKie, Bears
WR - Lee Evans, Bills
WR - Marty Booker, Dolphins
TE - Desmond Clark, Bears
OT - Michael Roos, Titans
OG - Milford Brown, Cardinals
C - Andre Gurode, Cowboys
OG - Mike Goff, Chargers
OT - Tony Pashos, Jaguars
DE - Aaron Kampman, Packers
DT - Kelly Gregg, Ravens
DT - Domata Peko, Bengals
DE - Bobby McCray, Jaguars
OLB - Bart Scott, Ravens
ILB - E.J. Henderson, Vikings
OLB - Scott Shanle, Saints
CB - Walt Harris, 49ers
CB - Drayton Florence, Chargers
FS - Madieu Williams, Bengals
SS - Sean Jones, Browns
MP123
03-26-2007, 05:17 PM
I think Reggie Wayne is pretty underrated.
draftguru151
03-26-2007, 07:27 PM
Andra Davis is the definition of underrated.
mcdlaxbonz13
03-26-2007, 07:34 PM
Andra Davis is the definition of underrated.
qft 100% the guy almost put up 200 tackles 2 seasons ago, depending on what site you look at, and didn't even garner any pro bowl attention. i dont think leigh bodden is underrated anymore at least in the football world people know about him now
Bengals1690
03-26-2007, 09:38 PM
QB: Marc Bulger
RB: Travis Henry
RB: Rudi Johnson (homerism, i know)
WR: Eddie Kennison
WR: Donald Driver
TE: Jason Witten
C: nick mangold
DE: Robert Geathers, Mario Williams (people give him to hard a time)
DT: Dockett
OLB: Landon Johnson
MLB: ??
CB: Asomugah (whatever, that raiders corner)
S: Madieu Williams, Kerry Rhodes
themaninblack
03-26-2007, 10:22 PM
I agree with you on Madieu and Jeremi But Chris is very respected and Justin Is good but for the price we got him at is way overated 3rd overall pick and now he is our franchise player common now. I love Peko but I am still skepticall about Geathers on weather he can play all 3 downs.
Chris is not respected at all, and thats by his doing alone. I just think he has the ability to be just as good if not better than chad if he ever sets his mind to it. Justin is underrated to me because he gets no respect because he doesnt get 10 sacks a year, but he more than makes up for it with his play. He's probably our best defensive player but the way a DE is evaluated you'd never know. Geathers would do fine playing all three downs and wouldve shown that last year but he was asked to play DT on passing downs. He has the ability to be a top 5 DE in this league without a doubt in my mind.
themaninblack
03-26-2007, 10:26 PM
I don't see how Justin Smith or Chris Henry are underrated...
chris is underrated because he's an idiot, most people dont recognize his WR abilities over his getting in trouble abilities. Justin Smith is underrated because he doesnt get 10 sacks a year and everyone bitches about it. He's right up there with Aaron Schobel and Kampmann but gets no love really anywhere.
Hines Ward, personally i think he is overrated, he is not a top-tier WR, and i dont care if he can block well... a lot of WR's can.
Lee Evans, Chris Henry, and Andre Johnson are my WRs
bored of education
03-26-2007, 10:54 PM
qb: bulger
rb: rudi johnson
wr: lee evans
te: witten
kalbears13
03-26-2007, 11:33 PM
qft 100% the guy almost put up 200 tackles 2 seasons ago, depending on what site you look at, and didn't even garner any pro bowl attention. i dont think leigh bodden is underrated anymore at least in the football world people know about him now
Leigh Bodden got attention when he drilled ocho cinco.
Underrated:
All longsnappers. I mean ALL longsnappers. Even the backup ones. Hardest job on the field by far. You work hard and you get nothing for it. Perfect snaps are expected. If you screw up you're done.
wogitalia
03-27-2007, 02:09 AM
Andrews, Harris, Pierece, Sanders are not underrated..i hear a lot about them
..people list Harris as 1 of the best DTs, Andrews as 1 ofthe best young Guards and Sanders has been mentioned top 5 safeties for awhile now
Harris is rated as a very good DT, but he still gets forgotten. By far the best player on a very good Bears defense, dont hear that mentioned very often. Basically gets overshadowed by Urlacher.
Andrews isnt just one of the best young guards, he is one of the best guards. Basically because he is young he gets underrated(imo). Should be getting compared to Hutch and Faneca not with the other young guys he is currently compared to.
Sanders gets some credit and is probably the one I agree with you most that is a stretch. Rhodes would have been a better pick in hindsight(or now that I think of him). I think Sanders doesnt get as much credit as he should though. Guy is a game changer.
Pierce you never hear about but is one of the leagues very best LBs. At least I never hear about him and I think I should. Very good all around player.
niel89
03-27-2007, 02:39 AM
I don't see how Justin Smith or Chris Henry are underrated...
i can maybe see Chris Henry, they guy can put up really good numbers some games, but is it a product of that powerful offense?
niel89
03-27-2007, 02:56 AM
Underrated:
All longsnappers. I mean ALL longsnappers. Even the backup ones. Hardest job on the field by far. You work hard and you get nothing for it. Perfect snaps are expected. If you screw up you're done.
i love longsnappers. they have a simple yet important job, and even though they get no recognition they make good money for the job they do.
Jughead10
03-27-2007, 07:17 AM
How is Jason Witten underrated? I think almost everyone agrees he is about a top 5 TE.
How is Jason Witten underrated? I think almost everyone agrees he is about a top 5 TE.
I'd say he's underrated in the media, but probably rated fine here on the boards.
Jughead10
03-27-2007, 08:59 AM
I'd say he's underrated in the media, but probably rated fine here on the boards.
I think a lot of that had to do with his poor first half of the year thats mostly to blame on Bledsoe. Yet somehow the media thought Bledsoe was a good QB going into last year. So go figure.
Marion Barber III 24
03-27-2007, 10:09 AM
Just a few Cowboy players....
T-Marc Colombo; Was a bust until last year. Allowed 4.5 sacks in 16 Games last year.
CB-Terence Newman; Only allowed 4 TD's in 33 Games over the past two seasons. Doesn't make 8-10 picks a year, but doesn't get thrown at much. This is without any Safety help either.
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