The Office: Season 8

[Splat]

Starts tonight.

New Dunder Mifflin CEO Robert California leaves a piece of paper with a line down the middle that has names of the Scranton staff on either side of it, leading everyone to try and figure out what it means.Discuss.

[Nalej]

I can't mother effin' wait!

[ImBrotherCain]

Lets hope its better than the last few seasons... I love the office but it has had a downward trend since season 3.

[Nalej]

eh, I agree some seasons could have been better but I don't think it's been a linear regression since season 3 though

[ImBrotherCain]

Each season has has some great episodes but I think that season 3 was by far the funniest in its entirety.

Last season had some really good episodes but in all was pretty underwhelming.

[Splat]

I think the first 5 season are great and the last two just decent.

[Da-Phins]

Cant wait!/ Bart Scott voice

Predictions on who will be the new manger. My money's on Darryl.

[Splat]

Cant wait!/ Bart Scott voice

Predictions on who will be the new manger. My money's on Darryl.

Agreed. I think he is the best man for the job.

[ImBrotherCain]

Deep down I want it to be Jim Carry just to see how he would put his stamp on the show.

[Nalej]

Jim Carey is who I'd love... I think it's Daryl though

[StripedWalrus]

Jim Carey is who I'd love... I think it's Daryl though

I think if Daryl gets the manager position the show will take a major turn for the worse. I like Daryl as a character but I think what he is now is as far as his character will be. You need somebody that is eccentric to play manager...someone who makes no sense at all in being the manager or at least seems to be that way.

[holt_bruce81]

I think Jim gets the job.

Can't wait for tonight!

[Splat]

I'm wondering if it might be someone that know one is talking about like Pam.

[Hurricanes25]

Jim deserves the job but I just have a strange feeling it will be Andy. Andy is not qualified for the job either so if it is in fact Andy, it should bring some laughs.

[jrdrylie]

Speaking of Jim Carey, I have a theory about his character. Remember when Toby stated that he thought the man convicted of being the Scranton Strangler was actually innocent? Well I think he is the real Scranont Strangler. In his brief screen time, he stated "people disappear in the Finger Lakes." I think that might mean he killed people there. Just my theory.

As for the new manager, there are really only two options. The first is Daryl. Saber obviously likes to promote minorities, as evidenced by their "Print in all Colors" program. But his interview was terrible. The other is Jim. In the real world, he would be the guy. He is a great salesman. He has been the number two there since season three. And he even was co-manager for a while. I hope he gets it.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I think it will be Andy for the irony that he's the shittiest salesman of the group and well, because Ed Helms is one of the bigger names right now.

[holt_bruce81]

Speaking of Jim Carey, I have a theory about his character. Remember when Toby stated that he thought the man convicted of being the Scranton Strangler was actually innocent? Well I think he is the real Scranont Strangler. In his brief screen time, he stated "people disappear in the Finger Lakes." I think that might mean he killed people there. Just my theory.

As for the new manager, there are really only two options. The first is Daryl. Saber obviously likes to promote minorities, as evidenced by their "Print in all Colors" program. But his interview was terrible. The other is Jim. In the real world, he would be the guy. He is a great salesman. He has been the number two there since season three. And he even was co-manager for a while. I hope he gets it.

I've heard that theory like 100 times.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I would've liked to have seen Creed interact with Jim Carrey's character. If Creed had been creeped out by that dude, then yeah, he's probably the real Scranton Strangler.

[drowe]

My money is on Andy. Ed Helms is getting too big to NOT be a focal point of the show.

[Splat]

I don't want it to be Jim or Dwight. I think you lose some of what makes them great together if either is in charge.

It would be kinda of funny if it was Toby just because of Michael Scott's hate for him and then being replaced by him...

[nepg]

I'm wondering if it might be someone that know one is talking about like Pam.
Well, she IS the office administrator afterall... Kind of in a better position to move to management than anyone else...

Hmmmm....

[drowe]

Well, she IS the office administrator afterall... Kind of in a better position to move to management than anyone else...

Hmmmm....

no. the more social and/or profession success pam has, the lease likeable her character is. she should be co-receptionist with Erin.

[holt_bruce81]

My money is on Andy. Ed Helms is getting too big to NOT be a focal point of the show.


John krasinski is a bigger Hollywood star.

[bigbluedefense]

So I haven't kept up with the office at all, the last season I saw was like a year and a half ago.

Can someone fill me in with what happened with Michael Scott? How did he leave? Did he get back with Holly?

[Hurricanes25]

So I haven't kept up with the office at all, the last season I saw was like a year and a half ago.

Can someone fill me in with what happened with Michael Scott? How did he leave? Did he get back with Holly?

Holly came back and they got engaged. Then Holly needed to move to Colorado to be closer to her parents and Michael went with her.

[bigbluedefense]

Holly came back and they got engaged. Then Holly needed to move to Colorado to be closer to her parents and Michael went with her.

That's nice. They sent him off on a good note. The show is F'd without him though.

[jrdrylie]

I don't want it to be Jim or Dwight. I think you lose some of what makes them great together if either is in charge.

It would be kinda of funny if it was Toby just because of Michael Scott's hate for him and then being replaced by him...

Not sure I agree here. The interactions between Dwight and Jim are really funny when Jim has been in charge. Dwight always trying to undermine Jim was hilarious.

[yo123]

John krasinski is a bigger Hollywood star.


Definitely not.

[SuperMcgee]

He's not a bigger star, but he's more capable of being a leading man.

[Paul]

First Office premiere that I'm not even remotely excited about :(

[Hurricanes25]

Same here Paul. I'll still watch it to the end but on Thursdays, it's all about Parks and Community for me.

I am really interested to see who the boss is though. I hope we find out tonight.

[vidae]

I'm not excited either Paul :\ Like Hurricane said, I'll watch it, but I'm soo gd excited for Parks and Rec and Community.. they my boys.

[Caddy]

I'm pretty excited about tonights episode. Friday is amazing for me as there is like 10 different shows I like airing.

[Vikes99ej]

Pam is fat.

[jrdrylie]

Nice cold opening. Not sure I like Andy as the manager. We'll see.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Pam is fat.

And she can still get it.

[jrdrylie]

I love how Pam cries when she watches that commercial because I'm not going to lie... that commercial gets to me too.

[Vikes99ej]

Not very impressed.

[jrdrylie]

Not very impressed.

Hmm, I really liked that episode. I thought it was much funnier than the last five or six episodes from last season, especially the ones with Will Ferrell.

[Vikes99ej]

Daryl should be boss. This is fact.

[Philliez01]

Speaking of Jim Carey, I have a theory about his character. Remember when Toby stated that he thought the man convicted of being the Scranton Strangler was actually innocent? Well I think he is the real Scranont Strangler. In his brief screen time, he stated "people disappear in the Finger Lakes." I think that might mean he killed people there. Just my theory.

As for the new manager, there are really only two options. The first is Daryl. Saber obviously likes to promote minorities, as evidenced by their "Print in all Colors" program. But his interview was terrible. The other is Jim. In the real world, he would be the guy. He is a great salesman. He has been the number two there since season three. And he even was co-manager for a while. I hope he gets it.

In the real world, Jim wouldn't be there because he bombs when he's put in charge. He's very good at sales, gets along with people but is incapable of taking authority. Minus putting Ryan in the closet, none of his ideas worked and it showed he was over his head. I think the whole point of that co-manager storyline was to show off Jim's flaws.

Andy as Regional Manager is probably to have someone that we think would be intimidated by Robert California. He'll keep having his little moments where he gets minor victories to make fans happy but other than that; I feel weird seeing him in Michael's seat. It's basically Michael Scott all over again.

I liked Spader, I wonder how old his bit will get but I thought he was hilarious especially writing Creed as "OLD MAN".

Pam and Dwight were annoying (sans Dwight's cold opening) and Jim is literally now the glue that holds the show together.

Highlights also were Kevin's warning signal and Erin's line about planking.

[yodapoop]

This show lacked Creed.

[Hurricanes25]

I enjoyed the episode. Dwight and Kevin were great. I don't know, the show just felt fresh, maybe becasue of Spader. I'm looking forward to next week's episode.

[ImBrotherCain]

To me it felt weak. While it has promise I just feel Andy doesn't have what it takes to fill Michael's shoes. I'm not sure how to describe it... Its like he's odd but in the wrong way.

[Caddy]

Of course he doesn't have what it takes. Nobody does! In saying that I still love the show :D

[Ngatachance92]

I thought it was hilarious and not just because of my magical laugh assist vapors. Jim's run down of how Robert California took Jo's job was ******* gold. I like how both Pam and Angela are pregnant sans the fact that Pam now looks like the fat ***** from Archer. I think all the changes they made will at least power it through this season, but we shall see.

[Splat]

I actually thought it was pretty dang good.

"Warning Warning Warning"

[CashmoneyDrew]

I think it will be Andy for the irony that he's the shittiest salesman of the group and well, because Ed Helms is one of the bigger names right now.

I don't mean to toot my own horn but...

Toot toot!

[nepg]

Let's give Andy a chance. I liked the episode. It felt a bit empty without Michael Scott... But I thought it was a solid episode.

And Andy as a character is a lot more qualified to be a manager than a salesman. I think it will work out pretty well.

[Splat]

The best part was Dwight taking out everyone that was planking.

[yodapoop]

I couldn't stand the Pam crying at everything tho. That joke has to end this episode now. Cuz thats too easy, but yeah, it was solid.

[Xiomera]

I don't like Andy as boss. I mean, I think the show can work, but I really wanted to see Jim or even Darryl as boss to have a different dynamic at the head of the group.

I feel like Jim's potential interaction and stark contrast in normalcy compared to Robert would have been better. It also would have given Jim a purpose on the show, which he still lacks. Andy is quirkier, so he's easier to give storylines to as a non-authority figure in the office.

[Xiomera]

And like Yoda said, Creed needed a line in this episode. I am dying to hear Creed's interpretation of Robert. One weird guy's take on an even weirder guy.

[Nalej]

The best part was Dwight taking out everyone that was planking.

This. The fire extinguisher was epic.
I liked this show and have high hopes for the rest of the seasons.

[yo123]

I was pleasantly surprised. Probably won't be as good without Carell but it still has potential.

[Xiomera]

Meredith most certainly would have died from her fall. Dwight should be in jail.

[Nalej]

Meredith has survived being an alcoholic and being hit my a car. She'll be okay.

[vidae]

This episode was just okay for me. I think choosing Andy is going to ultimately be a mistake and James Spader is meh in my opinion.

[Vikes99ej]

I really hope this is the last season of this show.

[Nalej]

I really hope this is the last season of this show.

I really hope not.

[Splat]

I really hope this is the last season of this show.

No one is making you watch..

[Xiomera]

I wonder if they'll continue to not give Robert any talking heads.

I can't decide if I would like that or not. It keeps him mysterious and more intriguing, I think for now, but they probably can't keep that going forever. It'd be hard to get to know him well enough without them eventually.

[Da-Phins]

It was a decent episode I thought. You can already tell that this show will start going down the drain in the near future. If that will be this season or next. And I'm just not feeling Andy being the manger. He's character is more so of being just a side guy then being the lead guy.

[Xiomera]

Dude, the show has been in decline since early Season 5, basically right after the wedding.

But NBC won't cancel its most successful comedy. They'll ride it into the ground if they need to. NBC is last in the ratings race.

[Xiomera]

Andy is the manager because they needed to upgrade Ed Helms' role to keep him as a TV actor, rather than a movie actor primarily.

He's bigger John Krasinski and Rainn Wilson these days.

[KCJ58]

All the haters are whack and demand perfection.

Awesome episode, Planking was awesome, so was Kevin & Stanley in this episode. I want More Creed and Darryl though. I was talking to my friends and told them after watching the Secretary's day episode, Andy would make a good boss for the show. Also was wondering in the back of my mind, did Steve Carrell (who use to be on the daily show), suggest Ed Helms be on the show, (they both worked on the Daily Show [most of you already knew that]) to eventually groom him to take his place? idk but i thought that was worth a thought.

Also I thought Gabe went back to Florida. why is he back in the office, no even mentioned that, also
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0tuuJxJC1qd8gt3o1_500.jpg

I know it's stupid, but it's my new thang

[Nalej]

lol, I agree, still one of my favorite shows

[Xiomera]

I don't know about you guys, but I thought tonight's episode was really, really good.

I'll give a solid A.

[Xiomera]

I feel really good about the direction of this season with the characterization of Robert and Andy in this episode.

My only demand is that Creed gets a line next week.

[Mr. Goosemahn]

I feel really good about the direction of this season with the characterization of Robert and Andy in this episode.

My only demand is that Creed gets a line next week.

Yeah, I feel that Andy has been somewhat re-invented and Robert California has been pretty great so far.

I loved his quote near the end:

"There's something about an underdog that really inspires the unexceptional."

Plus there are still some new/ongoing storylines that are the types of things that tend to bring a sense of continuity to the season, such as Pam's new baby, Angela's baby with a *** guy, Robert California getting settled in as the CEO, Andy and Erin, etc. I can definitely see the writers milking these topics for a good amount of time, which if done right could work really well.

Heck, they milked Jim and Pam for something like three seasons, and it worked pretty well.

The only major disappointment for me thus far is that Daryl has completely failed to have any type of impact thus far and he was a pretty important character at the end of last season. Maybe he's busy with other stuff IRL, but who knows.

[Xiomera]

In case you guys haven't seen, the premise for next week should be good:


After the warehouse guys win the lotto and quit, everyone in the office dreams of what it would be like to win big. Andy and Darryl search for new warehouse employees while Jim, Erin, Dwight, and Kevin get a taste of warehouse life.

[yodapoop]

I liked the episode as well, but Xio is so right about Creed. We need him back. So, the episode gets downgraded to an A- for no Creed.

[Xiomera]

"People will never be replaced by machines. In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. To me, the choice is easy." — Michael Scott




Hadn't seen that episode in ages. Just watched it on TV and was reminded of one of my favorite Michael quotes.

[ImBrotherCain]

I loved Kevin in the open.

"Oceans, Fish, Jump... China"

[The_Dude]

Kevin was money. Andy proved that it will take a while for him to develop into his new role as manager. Creed needs to say something.

I thought that the episode was underwhelming humor-wise, but as Goosemahn said, it set up a bunch of story lines that will be hashed out throughout the season.

So far so good with out Michael.

[Xiomera]

I liked the scene with Andy, Erin and Robert and the coffee. I like how literally Erin interpreted what Robert asked for and how Robert just shut down the conversation about Andy/Erin after saying he got bored, haha.

[Hurricanes25]

Good stuff last night. The cold open with Kevin was great but I loved the conference room scene with the incentive stuff.

And I laughed harder than I probably should have at these 2 lines both directed at Oscar.

Andy: "What do you think C-Span?" (**** and spanish)

Dwight: "Your friend Neil Patrick Harris really made me laught the other night".

[scottyboy]

the c-span was so funny. that was the most I laughed out loud to this show in a good long while

[Xiomera]

John Krasinski directed this week's episode.

[nepg]

I liked that episode quite a bit. Andy is a lot like Michael as a manager, but the employees are far less annoyed by him, which is a nice switch. Should be interesting to see how they develop his character to grow into the position.

[MidwayMonster31]

Robert has been a real nice breath of fresh air for the show. I am also looking forward to next week's episode.

[holt_bruce81]

I've been pretty impressed with the first 2 episodes so far.

[Hurricanes25]

Robert has been a real nice breath of fresh air for the show. I am also looking forward to next week's episode.

I agree. The show has a fresh new feel to it. Part of that is the addition of Spader and the other part is the departure of Steve Carell, as much as I love him.

And this week's episode "Lotto", has the potential to be a classic. Always good stuff when they're in the warehouse.

[vidae]

I wasn't sure about Spaders character at first but I really like him in this role. I also think it was hilarious that he talked a CEO out of her own company.

[Splat]

Who's Justice Beaver?

[FuzzyGopher]

A crime fighting beaver.

[holt_bruce81]

wow I loved it

[Splat]

Hey, Vick did his time.

[nepg]

Great episode. I lol'd heartily at various times and we got an explanation on Darryl not getting the job.

[Xiomera]

I generally liked this episode. Didn't have a ton of laughs, but that can be OK if characters do new and interesting things.

Hated the cold open though. And where in the **** is Creed?

[jrdrylie]

I generally liked this episode. Didn't have a ton of laughs, but that can be OK if characters do new and interesting things.

Hated the cold open though. And where in the **** is Creed?

Missed the cold open but in with you on Creed. We don't need a lot of him. Just one or two WTF lines per episode. We've yet to get that at all this season.

[Xiomera]

I don't like how much they're overplaying Kevin's stupidity. It's too cartoonish.

[nepg]

Oscar busting out the car window was hilarious. The whole time I was thinking "That's got to be California's car..." That would have made it super hilarious.

Dwight driving the fork lift through the wall then playing it off was one of the best Dwight moments ever.

[Xiomera]

I liked Jim manipulating Dwight into volunteering.

That's the first time in a long time I remember him doing his famous look at the camera.

[Giantsfan1080]

My favorite part was when Erin was yelling at Kevin last night.

[yodapoop]

Darryl's two black balls quote......bursted out in laughter. So good.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I don't like how much they're overplaying Kevin's stupidity. It's too cartoonish.

Truth, when he slipped it was an epic fail, that isn't the type of comedy the office is, but every year it more and more becomes generic and away from the more off beat type comedy. I miss when the show had more levels, every single character has become a Caricature of themselves. The characters have lost any sort of dynamism. They have made Kevin too stupid, Erin too weird, Oscar too Rudy G, Pam too self loathing. Andy really is the only character who has shown growth and development. Even in the few scenes they are in, you pretty much know the type of comment Ryan and Kelly will make. The show now is all about generic one liners. Not to say I wont watch as long as it's on but I know longer can't wait to see the next episode, and I had these same feelings about the show even before Michael left the show. The writers seem to be slacking a ton because every know and again there will be a great episode then followed by the same old.

[Vikes99ej]

This needs to be the last season of the show.

[Splat]

Depressed Darryl was bumming me out.

[Xiomera]

This needs to be the last season of the show.

You could just stop watching ... Most of us enjoy it. You can't judge the post-Carell era on 3 episodes.

[Vikes99ej]

You could just stop watching ... Most of us enjoy it. You can't judge the post-Carell era on 3 episodes.

I've been watching since the beginning too. I have a subconscious need to see where this goes. Daryl should have been made boss. This is such a fact.

[Xiomera]

I've been watching since the beginning too. I have a subconscious need to see where this goes. Daryl should have been made boss. This is such a fact.

Read this: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/09/the_office_showrunner_paul_lie.html

I thought he made some good points.

[Splat]

Darryl's not the boss get over it.

[vidae]

My favorite part was when Erin was yelling at Kevin last night.

I really liked it too. I LIKE IT, BUT THEY DON'T! And they get back and they're greasing the floor.. haha. That was great.

[StripedWalrus]

I've been watching since the beginning too. I have a subconscious need to see where this goes. Daryl should have been made boss. This is such a fact.

Andy Laid into Daryl perfectly about why he didnt get the job. Daryl had been given every opportunity to get the job but let himself down being lazy.

[CashmoneyDrew]

One of the funniest moments for me in the last episode was when Kelly called Andy a scumbag. The look on Andy's face was priceless.

[nepg]

I really liked it too. I LIKE IT, BUT THEY DON'T! And they get back and they're greasing the floor.. haha. That was great.
The whole warehouse bit was great. It could have been more of the focus, and I might have liked it more...but I'm glad they didn't overdo it. That combination of characters is awesome. Erin and Kevin need more scenes together.

So Josh Groban is Andy's brother tomorrow night's episode... Wish I hadn't seen that on Facebook because that would have been a fun surprise.

[nepg]

I lol'd a good deal tonight. Mose was particularly awesome...especially when he took Toby's car.

Dwight might have replaced Michael's "No, no, no..." bit with one of his own.

[Hurricanes25]

I thought it was ok. The Andy stuff got boring by the end of the episode. But I loved all of the scenes with Mose and Jim's prank was the highlight of the episode for me.

[Vikes99ej]

Really good episode actually.

[Splat]

I thought it was ok.

Ya, my least favorite of the season so far.

[Xiomera]

What a brutal episode that was ...

STILL NO CREED! I demand an explanation. I didn't even see him, let alone hear him say anything.

[Xiomera]

Only things I liked were Mose (that part was excellent), some of Jim's pranking of Dwight, and ... that's it.

That was a terrible use of guest stars, there were far too many random disjointed one-and-done sight gags and jokes, and the cold open was god awful.

I still believe in this show, but tonight's episode was BAD.

[Philliez01]

Is every episode going to be an Andy redemption/small victory/woe is him? It's a shame, because I think the beginning of the series was close to excellent. Not laugh out loud funny, but overall just good. Now the series has just focused on everyone sucking up to Robert (who is a better character than I envisioned) and Andy attempting to prove he's not Michael.

I didn't think it was a brutal episode but it was too much Bernarding. I personally loved Ryan's toast plus everyone's reaction. For some reason, that was great. Meredith made me chuckle a couple times too.

Kevin is much better as a sub-character and it's nice that they sort've scaled back his role. Gabe is useless. Dwight going through the motions is hilarious, but Dwight being pranked by Jim just isn't funny. Pam is annoying, Angela is only great when she's a ***** (like tonight), Ryan/Kelly have essentially been written out of the show, Toby has no reason to be there and Daryl has been a good character in the fact that he's starting to evolve a bit.

Outside of Daryl, Andy, Jim, careless Dwight and background Kevin; it's not really an ensemble show. Really it's just everyone gets a chance at a one-liner.

[nepg]

Disagree.

Of course this season is Andy-centric in general... News Flash: He's the new manager. They have to develop his character beyond what it was and tell the audience more about him - as they did with Michael compared to the other characters.

Everyone plays their role. Of course, there's a hierarchy with Andy, Jim, and Dwight at the top and characters like Kelly, Creed, Meredith, and Phyllis at the bottom...

I like the dueling between Pam and Angela. The whole debate over the name was pretty funny. Reminded me of The League when the guy stole the name for his dog.

I do miss Creed. Seems like Kelly has been given his role with the quirky one-liners once per episode (which works really well). I think Creed would have fit in really well with the warehouse group last week.

[Xiomera]

I don't think Creed was even in the episode. There has to be an explanation for his lack of usage. I don't think he has a single line this season. I only even remember one simple line from all of the deleted scenes.

I like that they attempt to give Andy a back story with his family, but it just seemed too familiar with the disapproving, hard to please father. Not well executed.

And Robert California's speech was really lame. It was a rehash of the one from a couple weeks ago and this one fell very flat. They need to use him better.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Creed was not in this episode. Not even in the background. Total letdown.

[Brodeur]

I didn't even realize Gabe was still on the show.

[nepg]

I didn't even realize Gabe was still on the show.
I'm starting to warm to Gabe's character this season. I still hate him, but in a good way (you're supposed to hate him).

[Xiomera]

I think it's possible the show has too many characters. That's why I didn't mind when I thought Gabe was gone.

[ImBrotherCain]

I thought from all the previews of this episode that there was a good chance this could be one of the best office episodes they have ever made.

I stand corrected... It was pretty lackluster. I think Mose was the highlight. I also think the close of the show was pretty good (not that i can recall what that was atm).

I don't think that the show not having Michael is really dragging it down but basically going back to the shows roots in a over done manner to me is. Like Jim pranking Dwight in every episode, Angela being a *****, Kevin being dumb, Erin being ditsy, Ryan being a narcissistic prick.

I just feel they are taking what made the show great in small doses and are trying to cram it down our throats to make up for Micheal's absence.

[bhaarat316]

Pranks were the best. And Jim googling Dwight's house and seeing Dwight and Mose on the seesaw, in overalls was hilarious. The back story was dull, but I laughed enough to get over it.

I see what they are trying to do with the show. Answer all the unanswered questions of why he got the job, where he comes from/family. With Michael Scott all that was stretched out through multiple seasons, they are just trying to cram it in before mid season. See if people like it or should they cancel the show at some point.

Last week, how long has it been since Jim and Dwight worked together and failed together?

[yodapoop]

The pranks last night were hilarious and saved what otherwise was a very BLAH episode. We get it...Andy is narccistic, wants to be loved and all that. 4 episodes in, and we already kind of knew that. Jim and Dwight are clearly a great tandem. And at this point kind of questioning the move to make Andy boss over Jim. But hey, Andy can be good too if they wrote a new storyline. And of course Xio and I are the co-Presidents of the WHERE THE **** is CREED? club. I saw him once, he was sitting at a table with Oscar, thats it, barely noticed. It needs Creed back!

[Xiomera]

I also enjoyed Jim using Google maps to see Dwight and Mose on the see-saw. Dwight's hand-drawn map to get to the beet farm was also funny.

But yeah, the characters are far too fixed in their original and most basic characterization.

I think what the show needs is an actual story arc. Something business-related that can span multiple episodes and present a real sense of conflict. The show usually works well when it's focused on real-life business problems they would plausibly face.

[Jughead10]

I was hot and cold on the episode. Had some really funny parts but Andy's need for approval was awkward and hard to watch. There was nothing funny about it.

[Xiomera]

This is going to suck:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/10/catherine_tate_the_office.html

[Caddy]

:( She was horrible.

[Xiomera]

It's going to be so forced to incorporate her to the show. It'll be a sideshow. Just a bad fit.

[niel89]

This is gonna suck donkey balls. She really felt out of place last time she was on. I hope that some how they can do some thing that won't make this suck completely.

Also I was watching some old episodes from season 2 and it just reminded me how much I miss Michael Scott. He was the main character.

[nepg]

Yeah...they're advertising it like it's some great thing too...

[Xiomera]

I really think the show can achieve some success Post-Carell, but the biggest thing that's lacking is a plot. And I mean that in the sense that the show never seems to be building toward anything. It's not enough to just give all 15 characters one joke per episode and think that's enough.

[Splat]

http://fasthorseinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/sinking_ship.jpg

[nepg]

I really think the show can achieve some success Post-Carell, but the biggest thing that's lacking is a plot. And I mean that in the sense that the show never seems to be building toward anything. It's not enough to just give all 15 characters one joke per episode and think that's enough.
Yeah, there really hasn't been a plot this season. Every other season has had one. Season 1 was the branch closing and last year was Michael finally getting the girl and riding off into the sunset.

[Brodeur]

Needs a gamechanger, like the Michael Scott Paper Company storyline which was the best the show has ever done.

[Xiomera]

Needs a gamechanger, like the Michael Scott Paper Company storyline which was the best the show has ever done.

Pretty much.

They could just hit on the economic woes again. I liked the episode this season where the whole office was hellbent on reaching Andy's incentive threshold. Why not introduce a little conflict and tension business-wise instead of the only conflict being between Angela and Pam's competing pregnancies (which I'm already tired of).

[Brodeur]

Yeah, I could not care any less about the stupid Angela/Pam back and forth. Combine that with the utter destruction of Kevin's character, Jim becoming an annoying, relentless mugging at the camera machine, realizing Gabe is still on the show, and making Robert California considerably less interesting, it's all downhil.

[Xiomera]

They need to make Robert more like he was in the Season 7 finale. More enigmatic and manipulating.

[ImBrotherCain]

I watch this show far too much. I find myself going through past seasons when I am bored... Finally the 7th season is on Netflix so I can watch that again!

[Nalej]

Has there not been a show in a week or two?
I set up my DVR to record all shows and I've gotten nothing.
Not sure if I screwed the pooch while I was setting it up or if they're taking an early break

[Splat]

It wasn't new last week.

[Xiomera]

Tonight's Halloween episode better be good. Last year's "Costume Contest" was one of the absolute worth in recent memory.

[ImBrotherCain]

Tonight's Halloween episode better be good. Last year's "Costume Contest" was one of the absolute worth in recent memory.

I am actually watching that episode now... The open was pretty decent but the rest is quite blah.

[Xiomera]

I am actually watching that episode now... The open was pretty decent but the rest is quite blah.

I don't remember the specifics other than that I didn't laugh.

I do recall Kevin having one great moment, but that's all.

[yo123]

I'm sick of every show feeling obligated to do a Halloween episode.

[Xiomera]

I'm sick of every show feeling obligated to do a Halloween episode.

The office does one every year. That's tradition for this show.

But for most shows, I agree with you.

[Xiomera]

Things I Liked:
1) Robert's Halloween story
2) Kevin's fear of mummies
3) Creed, both his costume choice and the fact that he FINALLY HAD A LINE THIS SEASON!
4) The tag with Bert firing Toby
5) Jim's reluctance to be Chris Bosh

Things I Hated:
1) Andy/Erin plot
2) Angela bringing up her pregnancy with Pam ... again ... and not in a funny way
3) Pam and Jim disagreeing over ghosts
4) Everything else. Lots of time spent on unfunny plots.

This episode wasn't very good, despite having some things I did like.

[Hurricanes25]

Solid episode. Just way too much of Andy and Erin. I pretty much agree with everything Xio said.

[Splat]

I thought it was pretty awful.

[vidae]

This season has been pretty crappy so far honestly, and I was hoping they'd be able to figure out a way to keep the show going at a high level without Steve Carell, but it just isn't happening.

I'll still watch it, but it isn't a must watch night of show for me anymore. And that is sad. Oh well, I'll always have Goodbye Michael.

[Brodeur]

The show could be good without Michael, it's just the writers have stopped giving a ****.

[Xiomera]

The writers have ****** this show up badly. There is so much potential still and they're sticking with the same plots and jokes they've used before.

I swear I could write better storylines in my sleep.

And damn it, we haven't even hit the low of lows when Catherine Tate returns.

[jrdrylie]

The episode was not great at all. I did love Robert California in this episode. His story at the end was one of the best things to happen in the Office for a while.

[nepg]

They need to add a new employee to the mix. They keep adding and nixing people at the management and higher levels, but we haven't gotten new office employees since Erin, and before that, it was when the two branches merged.

[Nalej]

Not great but I enjoyed it.
I never get uncomfortable

[KCJ58]

if you don't like the show, the don't ******* watch it, it's really all that simple.

[yo123]

Thank you. Way too much bitching in this thread. Overall I've thoroughly enjoyed this season.

[niel89]

They really could be doing more. I love this show but the episodes are just solid this season. I think that the core of the show is good enough to continue to be good but their really is just nothing going on in these episodes. There needs to be a plot of some sort. I know you need to establish how the new office will works and some characters need to be fleshed out more, but there is no advancement.

The show is almost a shell of what it was with Michael Scott. He was the engine that made the show run.

[Xiomera]

if you don't like the show, the don't ******* watch it, it's really all that simple.

Thank you. Way too much bitching in this thread. Overall I've thoroughly enjoyed this season.

This is a discussion thread and more of us are unhappy with the direction of the show than not, so we're gonna continue to voice our concerns.

Sigh.

[KCJ58]

This is going to suck:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/10/catherine_tate_the_office.html

I read before Mindy Kaling wanted her to replace steve carrell last season, i personally thought she was hilarious in her one episode, "Everyone is somebodys boss, & Saki, is her name, whatever just talk to her she is a person."

Im looking forward seeing her on the show, she is going to be hilarious

[jrdrylie]

I read before Mindy Kaling wanted her to replace steve carrell last season, i personally thought she was hilarious in her one episode, "Everyone is somebodys boss, & Saki, is her name, whatever just talk to her she is a person."

Im looking forward seeing her on the show, she is going to be hilarious

I completely disagree. I thought he was absolutely miserable in her interview. She might have been my least favorite character in the history of the show.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Yeah, she was my least favorite interview last year as well.

[Xiomera]

I read before Mindy Kaling wanted her to replace steve carrell last season, i personally thought she was hilarious in her one episode, "Everyone is somebodys boss, & Saki, is her name, whatever just talk to her she is a person."

Im looking forward seeing her on the show, she is going to be hilarious

You sir, are alone in your thoughts.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Xiomera]

They should not have cut this second deleted scene from the episode:

http://www.officetally.com/the-office-spooked-deleted-scenes

Watch it. More Creed = better show.

[ImBrotherCain]

I am on the episode of season 7 where Dwight was the boss.... I really wish they kept it that way.

[Xiomera]

I am on the episode of season 7 where Dwight was the boss.... I really wish they kept it that way.

No, every episode would be too over the top in a hurry.

I don't like what they have now, but I'd hate that too.

[Splat]

"For the record, not on board with Fake Stanley. Although I get."

[yodapoop]

No, every episode would be too over the top in a hurry.

I don't like what they have now, but I'd hate that too.

I've learned way too many times Xio is hard to please.

[Xiomera]

I've learned way too many times Xio is hard to please.

Guilty as charged, but pleading insanity.

[Brodeur]

Was I supposed to want Dwight to enter the password in or something? Because he was completely in the right, and I didn't give a rats ass about anyone else.

[Giantsfan1080]

Was I supposed to want Dwight to enter the password in or something? Because he was completely in the right, and I didn't give a rats ass about anyone else.

I still watch but it's getting more difficult.

[yodapoop]

Stanley was funny....

[Brodeur]

I'm just saying it's completely stupid that Dwight was right, yet they made it seem like he should give them a break. All he was trying to do was get them to work harder, and instead they just ****** up even more.

[holt_bruce81]

That was a weak episode.

[yodapoop]

I will continue to go with the POSITIVE! STANLEY WAS FREEKING HILARIOUS. (Notice how that was one positive sentence.)

[Xiomera]

Favorite episode of the season.

Things I liked:
- The Cold Open — I didn't like it until Stanley burst into the room singing
- Robert's put-down of Andy about needing him to focus on preventing mistakes and not being a buffoon.
- Jim playing squash
- Oscar making a mistake
- Less Andy and more ensemble
- Lots of good one-liners
- Toby's conversation with Gabe
- Kevin's line "Come on guys, I'm right here ..."
- The recurrence of Staney's "stick it up your butt" comment. Not overly funny, but I appreciate that they've created a new running joke.

Things I didn't like:
- No lines for Creed
- Beet farm without Mose

[Splat]

Stanley was funny....

Agreed. Other than that it wasn't awful but it wasn't great either.

[Hurricanes25]

I thought it was a good episode. Not too much Andy, Dwight was in his classic form and Stanley was hilarious. I even enjoyed Gabe.

[jrdrylie]

I did like the episode. Probably my favorite of the season. There needs to be some Creed though. Not whole storylines, but a funny one-liner per episode would suffice.

[nepg]

I thought it was a great episode. My favorite part being Kevin walking into the dining room with a frying pan raised and ready to strike down upon Dwight.

[Xiomera]

Why do I find myself angry about a lack of Creed every single week?

The writers would have to be consciously omitting him from the scripts. There is no way he has 1 line through 6 episodes merely out of coincidence. There's barely 6 episodes in 2 seasons where he hasn't been present.

I demand to know how a crazy old man like Creed is reacting to all of the change in the office. He'd worked for Michael for years and years.

[Brodeur]

Why do I find myself angry about a lack of Creed every single week?

The writers would have to be consciously omitting him from the scripts. There is no way he has 1 line through 6 episodes merely out of coincidence. There's barely 6 episodes in 2 seasons where he hasn't been present.

I demand to know how a crazy old man like Creed is reacting to all of the change in the office. He'd worked for Michael for years and years.

It's far more important to focus on how mindnumbingly stupid Kevin is becoming.

[Splat]

Why do I find myself angry about a lack of Creed every single week?

The Scranton strangler can't show up to work every day...

I'm kidding. (Maybe)

[jrdrylie]

The Scranton strangler can't show up to work every day...

I'm kidding. (Maybe)

That is very possible. I remember him fleeing the office when Michael accused him of the murder from the murder mystery game. I still think the Jim Carey character is the Scranton Strangler, but it would be hilarious if it was Creed.

[SuperMcgee]

Has Creed been showing up in episodes and just not talking? I saw one episode where he only popped up for a second and it even looked a little off. I would not be surprised if he had been inserted into the scene. Maybe he just hasn't been available for filming? I haven't seen too much this year, I'm not sure how he often he's on camera.

[yo123]

Some of you really overrate Creed. I think he's ok and all but I'm not heartbroken we're not getting his one line a week.

[nepg]

Some of you really overrate Creed. I think he's ok and all but I'm not heartbroken we're not getting his one line a week.
I agree with yo.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Creed is great. When I'm bored I watch his videos on youtube.

[nepg]

I love Creed, but some people are way too concerned with his lack of air time of late. It's whatever.

Also want to add that Robert California was awesome last night.

[Splat]

Creed is great. When I'm bored I watch his videos on youtube.

So, that kills about five minutes.

[CashmoneyDrew]

So, that kills about five minutes.

But it's a great 5 minutes.

[Xiomera]

Some of you really overrate Creed. I think he's ok and all but I'm not heartbroken we're not getting his one line a week.

You appear to be one person I literally can never agree with on anything.

How the hell can Creed be overrated?

[yo123]

I don't think he is in general. Just on here. I don't think his absence is dragging down the show considerably.

[Xiomera]

I don't think he is in general. Just on here. I don't think his absence is dragging down the show considerably.

It's not dragging the show down, but if the show wants laughs without having to force them, then Creed is a go-to guy. In the post-Michael era, the laughs are fewer and far between, and too much Andy only draws attention to that.

They've gotta use the full ensemble better, and Creed requires very little screen time, but is always effective.

[Mr. Goosemahn]

They kind of rehashed the first idea, but it was good.

[Hurricanes25]

I thought it was the best episode of the season. The Dwight/Pam/Jim stuff was great. I loved the scene at the drug store.

[Xiomera]

Probably the best episode of the season, though I did like last week's.

This one was solid throughout. It was two large stories involving many characters instead of the typical division of 3 or 4 plots. Worked well. I like how Ryan and Kelly and Creed were involved in the scheming with Dwight and Pam.

I also like Jim's characterization here. Really made sense for him to refuse to give in to Pam's insistence.

And I always have a soft spot for any musical segments. I'm glad they didn't go with what would have been a very cliche and expected plot of Robert actually being a terrible musician and the guys having to pretend otherwise.

This episode gets an A- from my in the Post-Carell era. If Creed had a line, it'd be an A.

[Brodeur]

A- is a bit of a stretch. I definitely enjoyed it though.

[Xiomera]

A- is a bit of a stretch. I definitely enjoyed it though.

I'm grading on a curve of this season. A true A-worthy episode like we got frequently in Seasons 2-4 just ain't happening ever again.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/pams-replacement,64761/

Reading this review on AV Club, in which the writer gave the episode a C-, I find myself agreeing with him a lot about the characterization problems and lazy plotting, but I'm also past the point of ever expecting the show could repair this.

I've written at length over the years on these forums about my annoyance with the multiple characterizations of Michael Scott, which was most likely due to the large number of writers employed by the show. The same can now be said of nearly every character on the show, and that is upsetting.

But I still think this episode was if not the best, then No. 2 on my list of episodes this season.

[Giantsfan1080]

Creed had a line, just not a good one.

[Ngatachance92]

It's far more important to focus on how mindnumbingly stupid Kevin is becoming.

That is called Homer Simpson syndrome, when you run out of ideas for character development you can always go full ******.

[ImBrotherCain]

I have to agree with a few of you I think that was the best episode so far this season. Hopefully its something the show can build on.

[Splat]

Was the best of the season for sure.

[Xiomera]

Good expanded thoughts on the new-look Office here:
http://entertainment.time.com/2011/11/10/the-office-after-michael-whos-in-charge-here/

I was always in favor of Jim as boss after it became clear that the show would hire internally. Andy in his current role doesn't work very well.

[bantx]

I've finally caught up, dwight falling was hilarious.

[jrdrylie]

Good expanded thoughts on the new-look Office here:
http://entertainment.time.com/2011/11/10/the-office-after-michael-whos-in-charge-here/

I was always in favor of Jim as boss after it became clear that the show would hire internally. Andy in his current role doesn't work very well.

I like the take about people either liking Andy or feeling sorry for him. What made Michael Scott great is that everybody had a different dynamic with him. Angela thought he was inappropriate, Jim loved to goof on him, Dwight kissed his ass, and Stanley thought he was worthless. None of that happens with Andy. And he isn't even a good boss. He does stupid things and falls ass-backward into it working. At least Michael had some moments of actual competence.

With Jim, you would have the differing dynamics. Pam would love him, Andy would continue to do his goofy singing, Dwight would hate him, Ryan wouldn't respect him, etc. This entire series, they have been working on Jim's career. At first he didn't want to get a promotion, then he decided to take one at Stamford. When the branches came together, he was named the number two. Then he was Co-Manager. And then when it is finally time to name a new regional manager, the show kicks us all in the nuts and says "You know the career progression storyline we have been working on for 6 seasons? Yeah, screw that, we are promoting Andy."

[Xiomera]

Well said, jrdrylie.

Before he was boss, Andy was one of the few characters who could hold up a B-plot on his own and generate laughs. With him as boss, that ability has been neutered. Not only is he not in a position to be funny, but it leaves a void on the periphery of the 3 longtime leads (Pam, Jim, Dwight) that the other bit characters are unable (or the writers seem unwilling) to provide.

[nepg]

Dwight yelling at the old man was amazingly awesome. I laughed almost throughout that entire episode. Only rests I got were when they were in the warehouse. I like that they're developing that warehouse chick...she seems like a decent anti-Robert character.

The Jim-Pam-Dwight plot was classic for the trio. There was so much good in that episode, really. I always love Erin taking things too far, and that opening was pretty damn funny.

[jrdrylie]

Just got around to watching last week's office. Are they running out of material? That fake phone call thing was done a few seasons ago between Michael and Ryan.

Otherwise, I thought this might have been the funniest episode of the season. It had a little bit of Creed. And Dwight had some pretty funny lines. Especially "Does Jim have especially soft erections? Otherwise, I just touched a very soft ***** for nothing."

[yo123]

I noticed the same thing with the phone call. And I thought the part with Dwight grabbing Jim's dick was pretty stupid. However other than that, excellent episode.

[nepg]

I don't mind when they reuse things Michael did with Andy. Andy idolized Michael and would definitely copy his techniques. Plus, it was funny anyway.

[bhaarat316]

I noticed the same thing with the phone call. And I thought the part with Dwight grabbing Jim's dick was pretty stupid. However other than that, excellent episode.


What?! Dude I couldn't stop laughing. And then Jim saying he never felt that way in a long, long time, but he did grab my crotch.

Creed was good also, how do they get it in this shape?


Dwight reminding them about CC's toothbrush, was one of those odd nice Dwight moments to top it off.

[Nalej]

Why do I not remember anything about Creed? Completely lost in my brain right now.

[Xiomera]

Why do I not remember anything about Creed? Completely lost in my brain right now.

It was very brief. Had one line as Pam stood over by him waiting for Dwight to approach Jim.

[bhaarat316]

It was very brief. Had one line as Pam stood over by him waiting for Dwight to approach Jim.

and gave him toblerone.

[Splat]

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[Xiomera]

I will probably be in the minority, but I liked about 75% of tonight's episode. The premise of going to Gettysburg was sorta lame, but it had a lot of good smaller moments.

It's in the middle of the pack of episodes this season, IMO.

[Philliez01]

Ryan's line made me die by the way.

[yodapoop]

I will probably be in the minority, but I liked about 75% of tonight's episode. The premise of going to Gettysburg was sorta lame, but it had a lot of good smaller moments.

It's in the middle of the pack of episodes this season, IMO.

And Creed said something!

[Xiomera]

Ryan's line made me die by the way.

Which one? Ryan was one of the very best parts of the episode.

I've gone from finding his character pointless for much of the last 2 seasons to the most enjoyable this season. He needs more plots and lines.

While he didn't truly have a line, I loved Creed's overeager chant to watch 'Limitless' on the bus.

The episode was redundant with the Andy/Jim scene at the end. But I did like Daryl's "I hate myself" line in response to the hat.

I liked the beginning of Kevin's pitch to Robert where he took it to mean something very savvy, but they took it too far. Shoulda quit while they were ahead.

Hated the cold open. Not looking forward to a birth episode. Hopefully it's downplayed.

I like a lot of Robert's lines tonight and enjoyed him interacting with people when Andy isn't around to be a nervous wreck.

The Schrute Farms plot was pretty good. I really liked how Erin was manipulated by Dwight and Oscar on the walk.

And for once I didn't wish Gabe had been written out of the show.

In the Post-Carell era of the show, this episode gets a B- from me.

[Philliez01]

Which one? Ryan was one of the very best parts of the episode.

I've gone from finding his character pointless for much of the last 2 seasons to the most enjoyable this season. He needs more plots and lines.

While he didn't truly have a line, I loved Creed's overeager chant to watch 'Limitless' on the bus.

The episode was redundant with the Andy/Jim scene at the end. But I did like Daryl's "I hate myself" line in response to the hat.

I liked the beginning of Kevin's pitch to Robert where he took it to mean something very savvy, but they took it too far. Shoulda quit while they were ahead.

Hated the cold open. Not looking forward to a birth episode. Hopefully it's downplayed.

I like a lot of Robert's lines tonight and enjoyed him interacting with people when Andy isn't around to be a nervous wreck.

The Schrute Farms plot was pretty good. I really liked how Erin was manipulated by Dwight and Oscar on the walk.

And for once I didn't wish Gabe had been written out of the show.

In the Post-Carell era of the show, this episode gets a B- from me.

The "sheep" line. Everything about it was executed perfectly IMO.

[Xiomera]

Ryan needs to be given a main plotline and allowed to be the featured character in an episode again.

[nepg]

"It was just actually cookies the whole time?"

ROFL.

Ryan was gold that episode. Very much liked it. I don't think he needs more main story lines...he's perfect as a character that can jump in and out of the picture as needed.

I love Erin. Her role in the Dwight-Oscar plot was just perfect for her.

I liked the cold open. It was kind of lame until the bottle fell out. Nice twist.

[Hurricanes25]

I thought the episode was solid. My favorite part was Creed leading the Limitless chants on the bus. Ryan was great too. I always liked him. I just hope they find some more stuff for him to do.

[bhaarat316]

I only liked 25% of the episode. Dwight mostly, and finding out about his farm with Oscar made it even more hilarious.

I fell like they are leading up to firing Andy cause he sucks so much as a boss, and every week there is something about poor sales.

[jrdrylie]

I only liked 25% of the episode. Dwight mostly, and finding out about his farm with Oscar made it even more hilarious.

I fell like they are leading up to firing Andy cause he sucks so much as a boss, and every week there is something about poor sales.

I don't want Andy fired. I like his character. But he certainly needs to be demoted back down to sales.

[sbh15]

i liked the parts in the office with robert california. him thinking kevin was a genius was great. the rest was pretty weak.

and i don't have very high standards for a good episode

[Xiomera]

I only liked 25% of the episode. Dwight mostly, and finding out about his farm with Oscar made it even more hilarious.

I fell like they are leading up to firing Andy cause he sucks so much as a boss, and every week there is something about poor sales.

I thought this was a little too forced given that Oscar is ***. The show tries to hard to add unnecessary layers of irony. It just seems forced.

This isn't the case simply with this plot. The show tries too hard in general to construct stories instead of letting them present themselves more naturally and effortlessly. It ends up just being a string of telegraphed jokes where you can sense the punchline or payoff in advance.

In its prime, the show was not like this.

[Xiomera]

I definitely liked tonight's episode. It was very strange and did not fit the mold of any previous Office episode.

And god damn it, Creed, you sonofabitch, you're back!

[yodapoop]

See, we aren't asking for much when we demand Creed. He had one small, minor part that exsutes (spelling?) his personality perfectly. We aren't screaming for him to take over the show, we just need to see him goofing off once.

[Splat]

I just got around to watching this weeks and I thought it was pretty good.

[ImBrotherCain]

I thought the Christmas episode was pretty good. I feel like the last few episodes are at least moving in the right direction.

As I continue to watch the older episodes I just realized how dynamic Michael was. He may not have always been the funniest but his character could fit into any episode no matter the context.

It seems like they are having difficulty getting Andy into that role. I guess only time will tell.

[Xiomera]

Best episode of the season, probably.

[Hurricanes25]

I thought it was the best episode of the season too. Classic Dwight/Jim and I actually enjoyed Erin for once.

[Xiomera]

The amount of Creed in this episode was excellent. He generates some of the funniest moments with the littlest screen time.

[niel89]

Fantastic episode. I just liked it from top to bottom. I think the show can continue to succeed if they are around this quality. I think they just needed to use some episodes to develop Andy more because he is going to be a major character going forward.

As I continue to watch the older episodes I just realized how dynamic Michael was. He may not have always been the funniest but his character could fit into any episode no matter the context.

I watched a couple old episodes and I could not agree more. Michael Scott was the straw that stirred the drink. So plots were Michael doing something and the rest of the office having to react to it. He made the show the majority of the time.

[Xiomera]

Reviving this thread:

Despite obvious problems, I didn't dislike this week's "Pool Party" episode.

The writing is still lazy, shallow and poorly structured, but I still find enough to laugh at every week.

I pray they just reboot next season without James Spader (and Jim in charge) and just forget this season ever occurred.

[Giantsfan1080]

I didn't mind most of the episode besides the Ryan/Gabe part. I also didn't like how the temp likes Jim a lot now also.

[Xiomera]

The fact that the temp likes Jim (or so it's presented out of the blue) COULD be made into a profoundly interesting story, but the writers won't do it.

Season 1 and 2 Jim used to follow after Pam despite her being with Roy. It'd actually be quality character development for Jim if temp girl did that to him, only for him to realize (as Pam did) what was happening. Being on the other end of the situation.

But that's too much to ask for a writing staff that no longer understands those sorts of nuances. The writers don't care about actually achieving interesting character moments.

[Xiomera]

This show just misses so many god damn opportunities to turn a bunch of randomness into meaning. It really wouldn't be difficult. They need to let me be a writer for this show to handle the plotting. Let someone funny write the jokes, but find someone capable of getting characters from Point A to Point B in an interesting and plausible fashion. Instead, they just go from Point A to Point A again in circular fashion.

[Giantsfan1080]

The fact that the temp likes Jim (or so it's presented out of the blue) COULD be made into a profoundly interesting story, but the writers won't do it.

Season 1 and 2 Jim used to follow after Pam despite her being with Roy. It'd actually be quality character development for Jim if temp girl did that to him, only for him to realize (as Pam did) what was happening. Being on the other end of the situation.

But that's too much to ask for a writing staff that no longer understands those sorts of nuances. The writers don't care about actually achieving interesting character moments.

Yeah I agree it would be a nice turn around at this point but they are certainly not playing that angle. Also it just came out of no where that the temp liked Jim even though it does make sense. If Jim ever gave a second though to anyone other than Pam then I would never watch.

[Xiomera]

Jim would never do anything to Pam.

But would it kill the writers to give him SOMETHING to do? John Krasinski has to be pretty annoyed with the show. I'm surprised there isn't talk of him leaving.

This is why I wanted him as boss. The old plots about Jim not handling management very well were an interesting new dynamic for him. And in last year's finale when he was in charge of the search committee, I loved that it appeared he recognized the need for HIM to take charge ... And then he still didn't want to be the boss (or rather, the writers didn't).

This all annoys me. I watch this show every week, and it makes me laugh, but it has a complete lack of direction and all of the characters are now cartoonish versions of their former selves. They need to identify what motivates the characters, and then consistently have them exhibit those motivations and behave accordingly.

Ugh.

[Docta]

He's not complaining, because there's nothing to complain about. They aren't gonna pay him more if they make him the boss.

[Xiomera]

He's not complaining, because there's nothing to complain about. They aren't gonna pay him more if they make him the boss.

Yeah, that is nowhere near the point I was making ...

Jim has been the biggest one-note character since the wedding. His biggest character arc is "Dwight pranks," which isn't an arc at all. He doesn't have to be the boss to be given something to do from time to time.

[vidae]

I just can't get into this show anymore. It's a shadow of what it used to be and that is pretty sad.

[Xiomera]

I just can't get into this show anymore. It's a shadow of what it used to be and that is pretty sad.

Suck it up and watch. It's still funny. It just isn't good.

[jrdrylie]

I pray they just reboot next season without James Spader (and Jim in charge) and just forget this season ever occurred.

I agree with a lot of the things you said. I think the temp developing a crush on Jim would be a great storyline. And I do think Jim should be in charge. They made a huge mistake promoting Andy instead of Jim. They had been building to Jim being the manager for seven years and then BOOM! He doesn't get it.

I disagree about James Spader to a degree. I like his character but I think he should be much less prevalent. His character should be kind of like Creed. A funny line or two every episode and then maybe one or two episodes a season with a much more expanded role. Unfortunately, Spader is too big an actor to have such a small role.

[bhaarat316]

so where is this show at? The last time I saw it was they went to a rudy cool bar to win a triva contest.

[Xiomera]

Dwight is getting a spin-off:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/25/nbc-developing-the-office-spinoff-for-rainn-wilson/

[holt_bruce81]

Dwight is getting a spin-off:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/25/nbc-developing-the-office-spinoff-for-rainn-wilson/

I can't see that succeeding but hey who knows.

Wait, does that mean this is the last season?

[Brodeur]

Dwight is getting a spin-off:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/01/25/nbc-developing-the-office-spinoff-for-rainn-wilson/

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