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Borat
09-23-2011, 08:34 AM
Week 2:
Sunday, September 25, 2011

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San Francisco 49ers (1-1)
at
Cincinnati Bengals (1-1)

Location: Paul Brown Stadium
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Time: 10:00 am pst

Just want to thank the Bengals for this
http://www.mghelmets.com/super%20bowl/SB16.gif
and this
http://www.mghelmets.com/super%20bowl/SB23.gif

That was very nice of them. Oh, and thanks Cris Collinsworth for nothing. I can't imagine why you hate on the 9ers every chance you get. Jerry Rice has this to say to you:
http://www.sportsgrindent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jerry-rice-middle-finger-collinsworth.jpg

Remember this epic goal-line stand:
http://images.agentcenter.com/client/5/6/1/22165/list/res/19397/Merv_Corning_-_Super_Bowl_XVI.jpg

and the real "Drive":
http://d1ijg1s72odmw4.cloudfront.net/issueimages/medium/18470-2.jpg

Need to see a better performance from this guy: http://www.49ers.com/assets/images/news/2011/02-February/022411-Harbaugh1-Header.jpg

and more of this:
http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/s/san_francisco_49ers_vernon_davis-14652.jpg

Unfortunately, none of this:
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/photo_images/4123891/90804_49ers_Receivers_Football_large.jpg

And I am very scared of this:
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/photo_images/4104423/90661_Bengals_Broncos_Football.jpg

Standings: A matchup of 2 first-place teams!

NFC West
1. San Francisco 49ers (1-1)
1. Arizona Cardinals (1-1)
3. Seattle Seahawks (0-2)
3. St. Louis Rams (0-2)

AFC North
1. Cincinnati Bengals (1-1)
1. Cleveland Browns (1-1)
1. Baltimore Ravens (1-1)
1. Pittsburgh Steelers (1-1)


Special Note: Breaking news: 49ers intend to accept all penalties that will give them a first down. NFL is serious business.

dan77733
09-23-2011, 10:24 AM
Awesome post borat.

It sucks. We should be 2-0 but whatever. We lose Sunday to the Bengals, its pretty much a guarantee that we'll start 1-3 and if that happens, I'll be rooting for a top 5 draft pick. Should be at least 2-2 or 3-1 after the Eagles game but oh well. I just hope Harbaugh stops being Nolan/Singletary and starts becoming more like Walsh (or even Mariucci at this point) sooner rather than later.

With that said, I think the 49ers will come out flat and the combination of Dalton/Green will crush our secondary if the front seven doesnt get to Dalton. Prediction -

49ers 20
Bengals 24

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-23-2011, 12:09 PM
Awesome post borat.

It sucks. We should be 2-0 but whatever. We lose Sunday to the Bengals, its pretty much a guarantee that we'll start 1-3 and if that happens, I'll be rooting for a top 5 draft pick. Should be at least 2-2 or 3-1 after the Eagles game but oh well. I just hope Harbaugh stops being Nolan/Singletary and starts becoming more like Walsh (or even Mariucci at this point) sooner rather than later.

With that said, I think the 49ers will come out flat and the combination of Dalton/Green will crush our secondary if the front seven doesnt get to Dalton. Prediction -

49ers 20
Bengals 24

With how bad this division is no losses hurt us until after the bye week. With that said this is a very winnable game and if this team feels like it is capable of making the playoffs they should win these types of games.

Cincy's o-line has given up 7 sacks so far. I think we are going to see Fangio use a lot of the same game plan he used in week 1 against the Seahawks.

Menardo75
09-23-2011, 12:47 PM
Borat these threads are amazing.

Borat
09-23-2011, 01:36 PM
Borat these threads are amazing.

Thank you gentlemen.

Ness
09-23-2011, 07:37 PM
Dalton looks like he might actually be a good quarterback. I feel good about the 49ers bottling up Benson, but I get the feeling that Dalton and Green, both rookies, are going to school the 49ers secondary as we really don't have any playmakers back there.

Madirishman
09-23-2011, 08:51 PM
Maybe this will be the week where Whitner lays the smack down on a WR like Green over the middle, sending a message. We shouldn't get dominated by rookies.

Ness
09-23-2011, 09:17 PM
Wasn't Dalton the quarterback the 49ers were also thinking about taking before he was snatched up right in front of them by the Bengals, forcing them to select Kaepernick? Or was that just a story?

Madirishman
09-24-2011, 01:41 AM
Wasn't Dalton the quarterback the 49ers were also thinking about taking before he was snatched up right in front of them by the Bengals, forcing them to select Kaepernick? Or was that just a story?

Yes, it was speculated during the Draft process that Harbaugh might target Dalton among the QBs as his skill set matched what was believed to be what would fit Harbaugh's offense. A report at the end of night 1 of the Draft had the Niners trying to trade back into the late 1st to select Dalton, but it didn't happen. I don't think he settled for Kap because Dalton was gone though; I believe he had them both graded high, with perhaps Dalton being slightly higher. When Dalton was selected, the Niners needed to trade up to get Kap and make sure that they didn't miss on both their targets at QB.

Maiocco reported this week that Harbaugh confirmed he had a high grade on Dalton during the Draft process.

Personally, I was high on both Dalton and Kap through the Draft process. I think Kap is the bigger risk but has the higher NFL ceiling.

Brent
09-24-2011, 08:59 AM
I liked that ginger more, but I am fine with Kaep.

Madirishman
09-24-2011, 01:13 PM
I liked that ginger more, but I am fine with Kaep.

Agree. If Harbaugh didn't believe in him, he wouldn't have taken him. Dalton was obviously more polished as a first-year prospect, thus why he is playing and Kap is not...yet.

Ness
09-24-2011, 02:43 PM
On that note, do you guys think that if the 49ers are in range to take someone like Matt Barkley (I don't think they can get Andrew Luck), do they take him even though Kaepernick will only be entering his second season? I'm thinking yes.

Madirishman
09-24-2011, 03:09 PM
On that note, do you guys think that if the 49ers are in range to take someone like Matt Barkley (I don't think they can get Andrew Luck), do they take him even though Kaepernick will only be entering his second season? I'm thinking yes.

Yes, unless they see something definitive in Kap this season that makes them assured he is the definite QBOTF. I think Harbaugh will continue to collect QBs any chance he gets. However, some skeptics out there say that Barkley may surpass Luck as a prospect and be the first QB taken in April. A lot can happen between now and then and I'd be overjoyed if Luck's stock dropped enough where the Niners had a shot at him, so long as it wasn't something like a structural damage type of shoulder injury to his throwing arm.

ninerfan
09-24-2011, 03:29 PM
Yes, unless they see something definitive in Kap this season that makes them assured he is the definite QBOTF. I think Harbaugh will continue to collect QBs any chance he gets. However, some skeptics out there say that Barkley may surpass Luck as a prospect and be the first QB taken in April. A lot can happen between now and then and I'd be overjoyed if Luck's stock dropped enough where the Niners had a shot at him, so long as it wasn't something like a structural damage type of shoulder injury to his throwing arm.

Furthest Luck will drop in no.2 so its going to take the mother of all trades to get him to the 9ers

dan77733
09-24-2011, 06:40 PM
If we lose tomorrow, getting Luck is a definite possibility because I dont see how we'll be able to outscore Philly so if we lose tomorrow, we'll be 1-3 after next week which projects to a 4-12 record and most likely a top five draft pick. Also have to see what teams are in front of us. If its a team like the Jaguars, Titans, Panthers, etc. who just drafted a QB in the first round, I would be shocked if any of them drafted another QB especially in the top five. It all depends on what happens tomorrow.

Ness
09-24-2011, 09:40 PM
Jones, Barkley, or Luck. I'll take any of them over our current crop of quarterbacks.

Brent
09-24-2011, 10:04 PM
I am quite fond of Landry Jones.

49erNation85
09-24-2011, 11:16 PM
I would pass on Jones I think he is getting way to much hype since Bradford coming out.Tho I would go for luck or Barkely more pro stye ready.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 12:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UezHq.jpg

Ness
09-25-2011, 12:47 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UezHq.jpg

No more early round offensive linemen for a while. I've had enough. I'll try free agency instead. What this organization is trying to do with building their line obviously isn't working.

Goon61
09-25-2011, 09:48 AM
http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/russell-wilson.jpg

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-25-2011, 11:03 AM
On that note, do you guys think that if the 49ers are in range to take someone like Matt Barkley (I don't think they can get Andrew Luck), do they take him even though Kaepernick will only be entering his second season? I'm thinking yes.

Only way SF drafts a QB is if they get pick 1. 49ers invested the equivalent of a top 15 pick into Kaepernick. If Kaepernick isn't ready Matt Flynn and Josh Johnson will be available in free agency.

Brent
09-25-2011, 11:09 AM
http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/russell-wilson.jpg
I would rather they not select a 5'10" QB.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 11:29 AM
Only way SF drafts a QB is if they get pick 1. 49ers invested the equivalent of a top 15 pick into Kaepernick. If Kaepernick isn't ready Matt Flynn and Josh Johnson will be available in free agency.

A 2nd and a 4th won't get you into the top 15 in the NFL Draft. It will get you toward the top of the 2nd, where they moved to get Kap.

If the Niners have a Top 10 pick in April, then that means they're in the market for a QB and will take one they like if he is available when they pick.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 11:34 AM
Taylor Mays inactive today vs. Niners. No opportunity to prove to the Niners that he isn't a bust.

WR Jerome Simpson will play though, which may be one of his last games in the NFL, after several pounds of sticky icky fresh from Humboldt were found in the mail, addressed to his home.

I would love to see Crabtree and/or Morgan burn Clements on a double move for a deep score today.

YAYareaRB
09-25-2011, 12:09 PM
theyre gashing us

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 12:19 PM
So, our offensive strategy today on the road to be aggressive and take the crowd out of it is..... to throw 2 yard out routes to the FB?! Here we go.

WTF. SMH.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 12:30 PM
Vernon Davis officially back into the offense. Nice gain.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 12:33 PM
Rachal already beat and still gets called for holding. Staley with a false start on 3rd and 5, making it 3rd and long, killing the drive. These O-Line players HAVE to be better than this. They just have to be.

Andy Lee with a shanked punt. Uh oh.

Brent
09-25-2011, 12:40 PM
at least they are throwing the ball?

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 12:46 PM
Can we convert a ****ing 3rd down?!?!?! Please?!?!?!

(Old) Alex air mails throw on 3rd and 5.

Ness
09-25-2011, 12:46 PM
Can we convert a ****ing 3rd down?!?!?! Please?!?!?!

(Old) Alex air mails throw on 3rd and 5.

No. Look who is throwing the ball.

Brent
09-25-2011, 12:49 PM
God Smith ******* sucks.
I don't think "sucks" is a strong enough adjective.

Brent
09-25-2011, 12:55 PM
get Chilo Rachal off the ******* field

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 12:57 PM
Chilo was already replaced by Snyder on the last drive. Now he's back in and on the first 2 plays he gets blown up, resulting in a 3 yard loss and gets called for a holding penalty. Get his ass out of the game. He's done.

Clements with a violent clothesline on Alex and no whistle....lovely.

Welcome to the 2011 season, Mr. Crabtree. 49ers convert on 3rd down (miracle).

Brent
09-25-2011, 01:02 PM
oh Anthony Davis false started. excuse me while I am not shocked at all.

and then he is sacked. **** this team.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 01:03 PM
Shitshow from the offense so far.

Brent
09-25-2011, 01:09 PM
another Rachal penalty

Ness
09-25-2011, 01:15 PM
49ers can't convert a 3 & 2. Sad.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
3-0 Cincy at the half. Epic game.

Brent
09-25-2011, 01:20 PM
49ers can't convert a 3 & 2. Sad.
you didn't guess a run was the call on that either? clearly the Bengals did, they blitzed a safety. why does this play calling feel so similar?

edit: "Remember, the 49ers won toss and deferred until the second half. So, if form holds, they'll be first to punt." -Maiocco killing it on Twitter

Ness
09-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Why the hell would you ever want to defer to the second half. That is beyond stupid.

Brent
09-25-2011, 01:40 PM
have the Niners even crossed mid field on offense?

Ness
09-25-2011, 01:42 PM
Have the 49ers even gotten past midfield yet? This is 2004-bad.

Brent
09-25-2011, 01:42 PM
Have the 49ers even gotten past midfield yet? This is 2004-bad.
hard to do that when your 1st round WR cant catch

edit: Andy Lee is our MVP

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 01:46 PM
Davis and Crabtree treating the football like its a speedbag.

A.J. Green has some talent and a serious case of the stupids.

Brent
09-25-2011, 01:53 PM
Harbaugh calls timeout, camera shows him yelling at Chilo Rachal. WHAT A SHOCKER.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 01:54 PM
Niners run their first play OF THE GAME in Bengals territory in mid 3rd quarter and get a long gain to VD on a great thrown pass from Alex.

Ness
09-25-2011, 01:57 PM
Crabtree can't do anything right.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 01:57 PM
goddamnit crabs got lost on his way to tc and now he gets lost on the field. can't waste one of our five good passes we see per game.

Ness
09-25-2011, 01:58 PM
False start offense: The entire offensive line.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 02:00 PM
After first and goal from the 6, the Niners find a way to get enough penalties, a sack and bad offensive choices to get a field goal try. What a waste.

The ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE was just called for a false start. Good Lord.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 02:00 PM
False start offense: The entire offensive line.

They are just go getters.

Brent
09-25-2011, 02:01 PM
so he didn't step out? who cares? because that was the most pathetic red zone possession I've ever seen

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 02:04 PM
could that have been challenged?

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 02:04 PM
Think the Cowboys would still give us a 1st Rounder for Crabtree?

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:04 PM
Wake me up in three years. I already know the next two are going to suck ass.

Brent
09-25-2011, 02:08 PM
Wake me up in three years. I already know the next two are going to suck ass.
the way this game is going, it shouldnt be hard to fall asleep

Brent
09-25-2011, 02:27 PM
**** you, Frank Gore. way to earn that contract.

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Had to happen sooner or later.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 02:29 PM
**** you, Frank Gore. way to earn that contract.

Even before the fumble, he seemed checked out. He was abnormally bad in pass pro earlier too. Hmmmm...

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:29 PM
Can't really blame Gore too much on that fumble though. Yes he should hold on to the ball, but at the same time everyone has been playing **** the entire year so far. At least the offense. This is why you need an offense that can score 30 points a game so you can offset those turnovers.

Brent
09-25-2011, 02:31 PM
an offense that can score 30 points a game
I can't remember what that looks like anymore.

Kendall Hunter runs like he could put some life in this running game.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 02:39 PM
Frank looks like someone just gave him a spelling test.

Hunter is going to get himself some more carries when he can scoot through holes that Gore just isn't getting to.

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:43 PM
Where the hell was this offense during the rest of the game? If we played like this the entire quarter we would have blown Cincinnati out of the water.

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:44 PM
I can't remember what that looks like anymore.

Kendall Hunter runs like he could put some life in this running game.

Yeah I hate to say it, but Hunter has looked nice and should spell Frank a little more.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 02:46 PM
Bengals are down 10 pounds of hair with Maualauaulguauala getting IV's. That's a lot of back combed run stuffing out of the lineup.

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:47 PM
Interception by Rogers. If the 49ers somehow lose this game I will be more ticked off than I was against Dallas.

Brent
09-25-2011, 02:49 PM
that was three unimaginative play calls.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 02:50 PM
Nah, if you weren't bitching you would lose your greatest source of happiness.

And you can thank me for Vernon getting some yards today. I benched him.

chapo123
09-25-2011, 02:57 PM
i just woke up from a hangover to see this shi*ty game....going back to sleep

Ness
09-25-2011, 02:59 PM
Yes! Intercepted!

Ness
09-25-2011, 03:00 PM
Nah, if you weren't bitching you would lose your greatest source of happiness.


Yes, I'm one of the few honest fans left in the bay area.

Brent
09-25-2011, 03:02 PM
Ruling stands! Thank goodness. Now, can we get a first down or two so we know it's sealed?

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 03:04 PM
Yes, I'm one of the few honest fans left in the bay area.

Sometimes you just have to put your hands up, throw your head back and laugh at what is happening out there.

Brent
09-25-2011, 03:08 PM
I dont like this taking a safety strategy. I would have allowed Andy to boot that to the other endzone.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 03:11 PM
I wasn't going to mention that I picked up the Niners DST for this unless we won. That safety cost me two points though and Brees just raped me in the last quarter. I'm in trouble and my winless streak is looking pretty safe.

Ness
09-25-2011, 03:17 PM
The 49ers played good in the 4th quarter. Too bad they couldn't play the rest of the game like that.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 03:18 PM
The 49ers played good in the 4th quarter. Too bad they couldn't play the rest of the game like that.

and that's been the story of so many games over the past several years. very few complete games.

Ness
09-25-2011, 03:20 PM
I'm giving the game ball to Vernon Davis.

Brent
09-25-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm giving the game ball to Vernon Davis.
No doubt, and even if it was a rookie QB, the defense looked great.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 03:37 PM
Ray MacDonald had another very good game as well.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-25-2011, 03:38 PM
I'm giving the game ball to Vernon Davis.

No love for Alex Smith? 4/5 for 48 yards on that 4th Q go head drive. At point he hit 7 passes in a row in the 4th. It was one of few times I wasn't nervous having Smith out there in the 4th.

Off another 49ers message board:
1st half 9-17 74 yards
2nd half 11-13 127 yards 8-9 in the fourth

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-25-2011, 03:48 PM
Ray MacDonald had another very good game as well.

Anyone know a site that lists pressures? Curious to see how many Ray Mac has.

Bowman also had a great game. 7 solo tackles and 12 total tackles.

binary
09-25-2011, 03:57 PM
Can't really blame Gore too much on that fumble though. Yes he should hold on to the ball, but at the same time everyone has been playing **** the entire year so far. At least the offense. This is why you need an offense that can score 30 points a game so you can offset those turnovers.

Alex has played fine, yeah I said it. When they needed a drive to win the game, they spread the field and let him throw. Gore is done, and there should be no excuses, he limits the Offense tremendously because he's not a big play threat and he can't do anything outside the tackles. When Hunter came in the difference was startling.

phlysac
09-25-2011, 03:57 PM
No love for Alex Smith? 4/5 for 48 yards on that 4th Q go head drive. At point he hit 7 passes in a row in the 4th. It was one of few times I wasn't nervous having Smith out there in the 4th.

No chance.

People always clamor for Smith to step up when the team needs a win. He did it today. Would've hit 9 straight passes had Gore not let it bounce off his face.

I watched carefully and you can argue that even though Smith was 20-30, he had 6 passes dropped.


I'm not praising Smith because he still didn't play great. I just think we need to be fair to the guy. He's been the most consistent performer on offense this season. Scary, YES! But he's also the most hated.

binary
09-25-2011, 03:59 PM
I'm giving the game ball to Vernon Davis.

I'm giving it to Alex, I was impressed. Vernon had a key drop and made some big plays, but Alex was getting killed all game and came through in the 4th.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 04:01 PM
I dont like this taking a safety strategy. I would have allowed Andy to boot that to the other endzone.

I don't like it when they give up 2 points and don't tun out the clock, meaning that when they do kick it off, a run back doesn't tie the game; it wins it.

phlysac
09-25-2011, 04:04 PM
I'm giving it to Alex, I was impressed. Vernon had a key drop and made some big plays, but Alex was getting killed all game and came through in the 4th.

Careful. Have your shield ready?

binary
09-25-2011, 04:20 PM
Careful. Have your shield ready?

eff the Shield, if everyone else did their freaking job (including the playcalling) Alex would've had a tremendous game.

Madirishman
09-25-2011, 04:34 PM
They got the win. It was ugly, but they got it. I'll take it but there was so much sloppiness in this game, that it's hard to take too much away on the positive side.

Our timing to play Philly at home may be about as good as possible. A lot of injuries today vs the G-Men, including Vick's broken (non-throwing) hand. I'll take every advantage the Niners can get t help them get a W, as that game on the schedule looked anything but ideal.

Menardo75
09-25-2011, 04:40 PM
It's about time Frank got benched he's played like **** all year.

binary
09-25-2011, 04:46 PM
It's about time Frank got benched he's played like **** all year.

Seriously, no running game in a run-based Offense, no oline, WRs dropping balls...pathetic. Gore is slow and unexplosive..watching McFadden right now it's like night/day.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:19 PM
Alex has played fine, yeah I said it. When they needed a drive to win the game, they spread the field and let him throw. Gore is done, and there should be no excuses, he limits the Offense tremendously because he's not a big play threat and he can't do anything outside the tackles. When Hunter came in the difference was startling.

Smith has not played fine unless you are content with mediocrity. They let him throw a bunch in this game especially in the 1st half and he didn't make plays.

Wake me up when we have a Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, or Philip Rivers. Someone that actually has the potential to dominate a game.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 05:20 PM
Without the three really bad drops and Crabtree's non-TD, Alex would have had a pretty nice stat line. Somewhere in the 23/30 for 250 and a td. With more third down conversions.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:21 PM
eff the Shield, if everyone else did their freaking job (including the playcalling) Alex would've had a tremendous game.

Yes it's everyone's fault except Alex.

binary
09-25-2011, 05:26 PM
Yes it's everyone's fault except Alex.

Actually, in this particular game you're right on here. Yeah, it's the Bengals..but no reason to sound like every other dumb niner fan out there over this game. If everyone does their job, Alex has a great game....the guy got battered all game long and when they put the O in his hands with the game on the line, he won.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:31 PM
Actually, in this particular game you're right on here. Yeah, it's the Bengals..but no reason to sound like every other dumb niner fan out there over this game. If everyone does their job, Alex has a great game....the guy got battered all game long and when they put the O in his hands with the game on the line, he won.

Any quarterback can make a drive like that in that kind of game against that kind of team. I'm talking Jon Kitna, Billy Volek, etc. Smith completed enough of his passes to make big plays over the field, and like I said earlier they let him pass a bunch in the first half. Dude just didn't get it done. When the passing game actually starts dominating and Smith throws for 300 yards, 4 touchdowns, in a rout of a team, then I'll have faith. But one game against a terrible Bengals team that the 49ers happened to win in which they could have easily lost doesn't give me any confidence. If the 49ers were playing the Packers, Saints, or Giants they would have gotten their asses kicked and Alex Smith would not have had a "great game".

Like I also said, wake me up when we have a Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or Phillip Rivers. Someone that can actually dominate a game and not just be a game manager with a high percentage of completions while never throwing for more than 300 yards. This is not worth the number one overall pick that Alex was picked for.

You can use all the excuses you want, but at the end of the day it's just excuses. Receivers dropping passes, coordinators, etc. The actual good quarterbacks in this league offset those things because they make big plays and make them often. It's not just limiting your mistakes either, it's making big plays and having big games period. It's really that simple.

Funny how you blame Gore instead of the offensive line for not being explosive, but blame the offensive line for Alex Smith not having a better game.

All in all it doesn't matter. I'm already looking forward to Landry Jones or Matt Barkley under center next year. This is Smith's last year thank goodness.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 05:33 PM
Didn't get to see any of the game.

O-line was that bad huh?

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:36 PM
Didn't get to see any of the game.

O-line was that bad huh?

Offensive line is worse in run blocking than pass pro. All in all, pretty terrible.

Brent
09-25-2011, 05:38 PM
All in all it doesn't matter. I'm already looking forward to Landry Jones or Matt Barkley under center next year. This is Smith's last year thank goodness.
I'd rather have either of those guys than Kaepernick, too.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:42 PM
I'd rather have either of those guys than Kaepernick, too.

I think a lot of folks have forgotten what's it's like to have a true franchise quarterback here. Some people are just content with mediocrity.

binary
09-25-2011, 05:42 PM
Funny how you blame Gore instead of the offensive line for not being explosive, but blame the offensive line for Alex Smith not having a better game.



Lol, maybe because Gore fumbled and Kendall Hunter looked 3x more explosive when he came in. With Hunter we can even run outside once in a while, something Gore seems incapable of doing right now.

binary
09-25-2011, 05:44 PM
I think a lot of folks have forgotten what's it's like to have a true franchise quarterback here. Some people are just content with mediocrity.

No niner fan I have met in the last 6 years has ever been content. No one is content, who sounds content over this crap? I haven't even met a niner fan who thinks Smith is any sort of long-term solution either (phlysac included)..but to blame him for the incompetence on Offense is sad, particularly in this game..it shows an extreme bias that is almost troubling.

Brent
09-25-2011, 05:45 PM
I think a lot of folks have forgotten what's it's like to have a true franchise quarterback here. Some people are just content with mediocrity.
when you've been subjected to horrid play for a long period of time, average play seems so much more than it really is.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:47 PM
No niner fan I have met in the last 6 years has ever been content. No one is content, who sounds content over this crap? I haven't even met a niner fan who thinks Smith is any sort of long-term solution either (phlysac included)..but to blame him for the incompetence on Offense is sad, particularly in this game..it shows an extreme bias that is almost troubling.

No, it just shows honesty and admitting the truth, which is that Smith is a part of the problem and has been for seven years now. After seven years holding out hope for this person is ridiculous. He's just not very good. Believe it or not this is a reality for a lot of players. Some players are just not good no matter what, and Alex is one of them. Praising him for having a good game, which is quite average compared to the best quarterbacks in the NFL is being content with mediocrity. Especially when it's against a terrible team.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:48 PM
when you've been subjected to horrid play for a long period of time, average play seems so much more than it really is.

Those folks need to watch some old NFL Yearbook or download some old games to break the spell.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Lol, maybe because Gore fumbled and Kendall Hunter looked 3x more explosive when he came in. With Hunter we can even run outside once in a while, something Gore seems incapable of doing right now.

And perhaps replacing Alex with someone better would provide better results just like it did for Hunter.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 05:50 PM
Alex Smith is nothing special but he's the best qb we got

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Alex Smith is nothing special but he's the best qb we got

True. Doesn't mean I have to like his average performances though. Staley is the best left tackle we have, but that's not saying much.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 05:54 PM
True. Doesn't mean I have to like his average performances though. Staley is the best left tackle we have, but that's not saying much.

Alex Boone hasn't been given a shot yet. Can't be that much worse then Staley.

Ness
09-25-2011, 05:59 PM
I'd rather have either of those guys than Kaepernick, too.

I can not wait until the draft. FINALLY we are going to have someone else under center. And Jones and Barkley look real good. Hopefully we upgrade the offensive line too.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 06:01 PM
lol unless we finish the season 6-10 or worse and Kaep has shown nothing we aren't selecting another QB.

Brent
09-25-2011, 06:11 PM
lol unless we finish the season 6-10 or worse and Kaep has shown nothing we aren't selecting another QB.
you never know.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-25-2011, 06:19 PM
I think a lot of folks have forgotten what's it's like to have a true franchise quarterback here. Some people are just content with mediocrity.

Or people aren't as short sighted as you. This team has 2 wins (with 5 games left against divisional opponents) in an extremely weak division. We are in sole possession of 1st place and Alex has done a solid job of keeping us in games. This team is showing signs of progress every week. Small steps but you it looks and feels like a well coached team with an idea of how to use their personnel.

We have a franchise QB in place:
According to NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, the 49ers explored trading up for Colin Kaepernick late in the first round before ultimately settling on dealing up for him at No. 36 overall.
Citing multiple league sources, La Canfora says the 49ers were "persistent" in trying to acquire Kaepernick. Both San Francisco and Oakland had discussions with New England for the No. 33 pick, before the Pats called it off and settled on Ras-I Dowling. Ultimately, the 49ers wound up using the equivalent -- per the NFL Draft Value Chart -- of a first-rounder on Kaepernick anyhow (1,103.5 points, equal to a top-15 overall selection).

I find it funny you list how Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers as guys you wish SF had. Have you followed their careers? Rivers was the only guy to start more than five games as a rookie. No one wants to have patience these days.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 06:41 PM
You can count me as one of those that would like to see Boone get a chance to show what he can do.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 06:50 PM
Well we're in 1st place at 2-1.

Eagles next week with no Mike Vick. Would be a huge win.

Ness
09-25-2011, 06:53 PM
lol unless we finish the season 6-10 or worse and Kaep has shown nothing we aren't selecting another QB.

Why? Because we're set at quarterback?

49erNation85
09-25-2011, 06:53 PM
How did the team look today guys?I had to work and missed it.I'm glade we won tho!

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 06:54 PM
Why? Because we're set at quarterback?

Because we actually have some potential at QB, while we have almost none at safety, corner, and left tackle.

Ness
09-25-2011, 07:02 PM
Or people aren't as short sighted as you. This team has 2 wins (with 5 games left against divisional opponents) in an extremely weak division. We are in sole possession of 1st place and Alex has done a solid job of keeping us in games. This team is showing signs of progress every week. Small steps but you it looks and feels like a well coached team with an idea of how to use their personnel.

Or people are just content with mediocrity period. Yes we have two wins in the NFC West and we're in 1st place. So astonishing. Dang I bet you excited when we were 3-1 in 2009, or 2-1 in 2008, or 2-1 in 2007.

Alex has been a game manager. Start talking when he is putting up 30 points a game like we thought he would be doing when we drafted him, and not squeezing out wins against terrible teams.

We have a franchise QB in place:

Kaepernick is not a franchise quarterback until he actually produces. No one is. And digging up a press article implies nothing, nor does it push your point. San Francisco went after Jim Drunkenmiller at one point. Doesn't mean he was a franchise quarterback because he was taken early. I guess the Panthers should have passed on Cam Newton because they "had" a franchise quarterback in place in Jimmy Clausen, who they took in the second round the previous year. If you feel like you can upgrade any position, you upgrade it.

I find it funny you list how Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers as guys you wish SF had. Have you followed their careers? Rivers was the only guy to start more than five games as a rookie. No one wants to have patience these days.

Bottom line is that they've actually done something with their careers after being in the NFL for seven seasons. And when you have guys like Ryan, Stafford, Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman, and Newton producing in their first or second seasons as starters it's a little hard to be patient. Especially when you've been stuck with the same guy for seven years. Yeah seven years is really being impatient. And I don't think it's just me wishing we had those guys. I'm sure the majority of the 49ers fanbase would rather have any of those three I mentioned. Because they are simply better quarterbacks bottom line.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 07:04 PM
Our front seven in general has been good. A bit more consistent pressure and a pedestrian secondary would be able to hold better against some of those pass plays that are hurting too often.

Ness
09-25-2011, 07:05 PM
Because we actually have some potential at QB, while we have almost none at safety, corner, and left tackle.

What potential have you seen? No one has proven anything. Especially Kaepernick. You can apply "potential" to practically any player in the NFL. Culliver has potential, Boone has potential, Hunter has potential. Doesn't mean we are "set" at those positions.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 07:31 PM
Okay so you're basically saying since Kaep hasn't taken the starting QB job and shown he's a top 5 QB in the league, QB is a 1st round need.

Ness
09-25-2011, 07:46 PM
Okay so you're basically saying since Kaep hasn't taken the starting QB job and shown he's a top 5 QB in the league, QB is a 1st round need.

No. I'm saying that if you feel you can upgrade a position at any point in time, you upgrade it. If Andrew Luck is sitting there for the 49ers to take him, are you telling me you don't take him because Kaepernick hasn't seen the field yet or has barely played?

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 08:04 PM
No. I'm saying that if you feel you can upgrade a position at any point in time, you upgrade it. If Andrew Luck is sitting there for the 49ers to take him, are you telling me you don't take him because Kaepernick hasn't seen the field yet or has barely played?

All i'm saying is let's at least wait to see how the rest of the season rolls before we start declaring where we need upgrades at. Quarterback hasn't been one of those areas, so far.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-25-2011, 08:15 PM
Or people are just content with mediocrity period. Yes we have two wins in the NFC West and we're in 1st place. So astonishing. Dang I bet you excited when we were 3-1 in 2009, or 2-1 in 2008, or 2-1 in 2007.

Difference Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck, and Bulger were in the division at the time. We are coming off a year were 7 wins got a team into the playoffs and a Travis Jackson led team beat the Cardinals.

Alex has been a game manager. Start talking when he is putting up 30 points a game like we thought he would be doing when we drafted him, and not squeezing out wins against terrible teams.


Progress. Rome wasn't built in the day......unless your a delusional 49ers fan stuck in the 80s/90s.



Kaepernick is not a franchise quarterback until he actually produces. No one is. And digging up a press article implies nothing, nor does it push your point. San Francisco went after Jim Drunkenmiller at one point. Doesn't mean he was a franchise quarterback because he was taken early. I guess the Panthers should have passed on Cam Newton because they "had" a franchise quarterback in place in Jimmy Clausen, who they took in the second round the previous year. If you feel like you can upgrade any position, you upgrade it.

I really have no idea where to begin. First off it wasn't "press article" but was from the site Rotoworld. Using the system it shows how much the 49ers have invested in Colin. You make the point Clausen/Newton dilemma the Panthers went through this season. Not surprisingly you completely missed my earlier post (IN THIS THREAD)
Only way SF drafts a QB is if they get pick 1
Hey look I'm like Bill Simmons with the re-quoting of myself.
But it took special circumstances (like having the number 1 pick) and a whole new coaching staff for Carolina to give up on Clausen.



Bottom line is that they've actually done something with their careers after being in the NFL for seven seasons. And when you have guys like Ryan, Stafford, Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman, and Newton producing in their first or second seasons as starters it's a little hard to be patient. Especially when you've been stuck with the same guy for seven years. Yeah seven years is really being impatient. And I don't think it's just me wishing we had those guys. I'm sure the majority of the 49ers fanbase would rather have any of those three I mentioned. Because they are simply better quarterbacks bottom line.

I'm not surprised you missed my point again, you are the Damon Bruce of this message board. My point was directed at your opinon of Kaepernick not Alex Smith. You want to give up on Kaepernick before he even plays a down and I was giving you examples of how long it took for those QBs to become consistent starters.

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 08:31 PM
Anyone else notice a pass receiving fullback wearing our colours today?

Brent
09-25-2011, 08:32 PM
Anyone else notice a pass receiving fullback wearing our colours today?
Anyone else notice that we had a fullback making blocks that weren't only behind the line of scrimmage?

Rabscuttle
09-25-2011, 08:39 PM
We could have dumped Norris for Caulcrick last year and upgraded the blocking. Love the guy, but a body only has so many collisions in it before it just isn't effective play after play. Hope we took a big step in solving the position today with a westcoast type fullback.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
09-25-2011, 08:43 PM
Anyone else notice that we had a fullback making blocks that weren't only behind the line of scrimmage?

Anyone else notice that he was GINGER?

From Barrows twitter feed:
Rookie FB Bruce Miller had four catches for 25 yards today. Veteran FB Moran Norris had four catches for 20 yards ALL OF LAST SEASON.

Aside from the fumble, nice debut from Miller.

YAYareaRB
09-25-2011, 09:42 PM
Any quarterback can make a drive like that in that kind of game against that kind of team. I'm talking Jon Kitna, Billy Volek, etc. Smith completed enough of his passes to make big plays over the field, and like I said earlier they let him pass a bunch in the first half. Dude just didn't get it done. When the passing game actually starts dominating and Smith throws for 300 yards, 4 touchdowns, in a rout of a team, then I'll have faith. But one game against a terrible Bengals team that the 49ers happened to win in which they could have easily lost doesn't give me any confidence. If the 49ers were playing the Packers, Saints, or Giants they would have gotten their asses kicked and Alex Smith would not have had a "great game".

Like I also said, wake me up when we have a Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, or Phillip Rivers. Someone that can actually dominate a game and not just be a game manager with a high percentage of completions while never throwing for more than 300 yards. This is not worth the number one overall pick that Alex was picked for.

You can use all the excuses you want, but at the end of the day it's just excuses. Receivers dropping passes, coordinators, etc. The actual good quarterbacks in this league offset those things because they make big plays and make them often. It's not just limiting your mistakes either, it's making big plays and having big games period. It's really that simple.

Funny how you blame Gore instead of the offensive line for not being explosive, but blame the offensive line for Alex Smith not having a better game.

All in all it doesn't matter. I'm already looking forward to Landry Jones or Matt Barkley under center next year. This is Smith's last year thank goodness.

you seem to be downplaying how important pass protecting is to a passing game

i'm honestly beginning to think you don't watch the games.

but when it comes to the draft, im with you. we're winning our way out of the luck sweepstakes. i think if the good signal caller is there this draft, we NEED to take him.

Ness
09-25-2011, 11:24 PM
you seem to be downplaying how important pass protecting is to a passing game

i'm honestly beginning to think you don't watch the games.

but when it comes to the draft, im with you. we're winning our way out of the luck sweepstakes. i think if the good signal caller is there this draft, we NEED to take him.

There are quarterbacks that can still dominate even if they get sacked a bunch. Just ask the 2009 Packers.

binary
09-25-2011, 11:26 PM
Sometimes it seems like most niner fans don't watch other games. You rarely see a QB in this league play well withotu pass protection..I'd say Rodgers is the biggest exception, he has a quick release and a great scheme, and great feel in the pocket. But you'll see guys like Brady and Vick and Rivers struggle mightily without protection...the NFL is just very difficult if people don't do their freaking job. Alex has terrible feel in the pocket, and a very long release, but if he has time he's been pretty accurate.

Ness
09-25-2011, 11:38 PM
Difference Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck, and Bulger were in the division at the time. We are coming off a year were 7 wins got a team into the playoffs and a Travis Jackson led team beat the Cardinals.

Terrible justification. Bulger hasn't been a legitimate starting quarterback since 2006, and the Rams haven't won eight games since that year. Hasselbeck and the Seahawks haven't been that good since 2007. The Cardinals I will give you, but really they benefited from the three other teams in their division playing terrible. Winning the crown in this division isn't that much to be proud of.


Progress. Rome wasn't built in the day......unless your a delusional 49ers fan stuck in the 80s/90s.

Falcons and Ravens and Buccaneers say hi. Yes, the 49ers have really made progress since 2002.

I really have no idea where to begin. First off it wasn't "press article" but was from the site Rotoworld. Using the system it shows how much the 49ers have invested in Colin. You make the point Clausen/Newton dilemma the Panthers went through this season. Not surprisingly you completely missed my earlier post (IN THIS THREAD)

Press, media it doesn't matter. The point still stands. Digging up some article or tidbit that says how much the 49ers reached for Kaepernick (where a lot of quarterbacks were reaches in that draft due to the lockout) doesn't say he is a sure franchise quarterback of the future. The Newton/Clausen scenario pretty much trumps this. If you feel like you can upgrade your position and have a prospect that can help you out, you take him. Period. If the 49ers had a shot at Andrew Luck, they don't take him because Kaepernick hasn't played a down/they "invested" a second round pick in him?

I'm not surprised you missed my point again, you are the Damon Bruce of this message board. My point was directed at your opinon of Kaepernick not Alex Smith. You want to give up on Kaepernick before he even plays a down and I was giving you examples of how long it took for those QBs to become consistent starters.

Oh please, stop with the "you missed my point" card. That's the biggest cop-out, instead of actually explaining what you meant again in a response. Even if you want to say you're talking about Kaepernick, the point still stands about Smith, who I was talking about in the first place before I even started talking to you.

Ness
09-25-2011, 11:43 PM
Sometimes it seems like most niner fans don't watch other games. You rarely see a QB in this league play well withotu pass protection..I'd say Rodgers is the biggest exception, he has a quick release and a great scheme, and great feel in the pocket. But you'll see guys like Brady and Vick and Rivers struggle mightily without protection...the NFL is just very difficult if people don't do their freaking job. Alex has terrible feel in the pocket, and a very long release, but if he has time he's been pretty accurate.

In years past we've had offensive line groups that haven't played this bad, yet Alex still hasn't capitalized on his opportunities.

Ness
09-25-2011, 11:45 PM
Oh and just for the record, I'm not writing off Kaepernick for sure, as he hasn't played in the regular season yet (although he looked awful in the preseason), but I am saying that just because he was taken early in the first round doesn't mean the 49ers can't and/or shouldn't think about upgrading QB at season's end.

hawkeye123
09-25-2011, 11:49 PM
Kaep struggling in the preseason was expected considering the lockout and since he's been in the shotgun his entire life till now.

phlysac
09-25-2011, 11:49 PM
currently editing...

phlysac
09-25-2011, 11:50 PM
Oh and just for the record, I'm not writing off Kaepernick for sure, as he hasn't played in the regular season yet (although he looked awful in the preseason), but I am saying that just because he was taken early in the first round doesn't mean the 49ers can't and/or shouldn't think about upgrading QB at season's end.

I agree. However, having the chance at drafting another 1st round QB shouldn't necessarily be the focus, either. It's all dependent upon evaluation of the players in question.

phlysac
09-25-2011, 11:54 PM
doesn't say he is a sure franchise quarterback of the future.

What says Luck, Landry, Barkley, etc are franchise QBs???

You're using your personal opinion of a player who has yet to play a regular season snap(Luck) to disparage the potential ability of a player who has yet to play a regular season snap (Kaepernick).

Your opinion of what type of QB they become has zero affect on Harbaugh and/or Baalke's opinion of the same.

Ness
09-26-2011, 12:01 AM
What says Luck, Landry, Barkley, etc are franchise QBs???

You're using your personal opinion of a player who has yet to play a regular season snap(Luck) to disparage the potential ability of a player who has yet to play a regular season snap (Kaepernick).

Your opinion of what type of QB they become has zero affect on Harbaugh and/or Baalke's opinion of the same.

Are you saying Luck isn't a franchise QB? He's the most certain QB to come out of college since arguably Peyton Manning. Barkley and Luck, I personally rate a little higher from what I've seen. And who is to say that all three of those guys aren't?

And anyone's opinion on anything having to do with the 49ers will have zero effect on what Harbaugh/Baalke does. That goes without saying obviously.

Let me ask you, if Luck is right there and the 49ers have a shot do you take him yes or no?

Ness
09-26-2011, 12:04 AM
Kaep struggling in the preseason was expected considering the lockout and since he's been in the shotgun his entire life till now.

Meh, so was Newton. I did expect him to struggle though more or less. Maybe not to that extent, but I did expect him to struggle. Again, I'm just saying he looked awful in the preseason, which is what happened regardless of the circumstances.

YAYareaRB
09-26-2011, 12:07 AM
In years past we've had offensive line groups that haven't played this bad, yet Alex still hasn't capitalized on his opportunities.

yeah we've had. same **** different guys is all

phlysac
09-26-2011, 12:11 AM
Are you saying Luck isn't a franchise QB? He's the most certain QB to come out of college since arguably Peyton Manning. Barkley and Luck, I personally rate a little higher from what I've seen. And who is to say that all three of those guys aren't?

There have been countless perceived "franchise QBs" who've entered the draft and been disappointing.

Let me ask you, if Luck is right there and the 49ers have a shot do you take him yes or no?

I would take Luck... but the 49ers will not be in any position to select that highly. I'd trade for Tom Brady, which is almost as likely to happen as the 49ers being in position to select Luck... but we can hope.

I'm not as sold on Barkley and Jones.

I don't just throw out [insert highly-ranked player's name here]'s name and say he has more of a chance to be a good QB than Kaepernick... at least not this soon.

I'm on record from last year as saying who my fav QB prospects are... Unfortunately one is 5'10" and the other is almost 28 years old.

phlysac
09-26-2011, 12:13 AM
In years past we've had offensive line groups that haven't played this bad, yet Alex still hasn't capitalized on his opportunities.

Post 2006... what lines have performed well, though?

Ness
09-26-2011, 12:14 AM
yeah we've had. same **** different guys is all
2006 wasn't that bad. Some of the other years we had guys under center that were so terrible it made our offensive line look worse. Like Trent Dilfer or Chris Weinke. This happens with some franchises. Look at Atlanta or New Orleans. When Matt Ryan was drafted their sack total went down immensely from the previous year when Chris Redman was throwing the rock. Same thing with Aarron Brooks to Drew Brees. And both of those teams kept practically the same offensive linemen from one year to the next.

Menardo75
09-26-2011, 12:14 AM
The 06 offensive line is the best one they have had since the 02 playoff team fun to watch.

Ness
09-26-2011, 12:18 AM
There have been countless perceived "franchise QBs" who've entered the draft and been disappointing.

But there have been touted as highly as Andrew Luck has been. Really, who was the last one? I'd say Carson Palmer maybe. Before that, Peyton Manning.

I would take Luck... but the 49ers will not be in any position to select that highly. I'd trade for Tom Brady, which is almost as likely to happen as the 49ers being in position to select Luck... but we can hope.

I'm not as sold on Barkley and Jones.

I don't just throw out [insert highly-ranked player's name here]'s name and say he has more of a chance to be a good QB than Kaepernick... at least not this soon.

I'm on record from last year as saying who my fav QB prospects are... Unfortunately one is 5'10" and the other is almost 28 years old.

Well you never know. Alex Smith could get a season ending injury against Philadelphia next week. That would really make things look worse than they already are and the 49ers could be in position. I'm just asking you if you would take him, not if you would take him, but this or that. So your answer is yes then. You would take Luck if the 49ers had a shot, and Kaepernick's presence on the roster wouldn't effect your decision. Gotcha. Thank you.

phlysac
09-26-2011, 12:27 AM
But there have been touted as highly as Andrew Luck has been. Really, who was the last one? I'd say Carson Palmer maybe. Before that, Peyton Manning.

But that's the thing... Many considered Ryan Leaf a can't miss QBOTF, too.

It's easier to look back and say, nah, Leaf wasn't that good or JaMarcus Russell was overrated.... I won't necessarily disagree. My point is that some believed they were sure-fire "Franchise QBs"

phlysac
09-26-2011, 12:30 AM
Well you never know. Alex Smith could get a season ending injury against Philadelphia next week. That would really make things look worse than they already are and the 49ers could be in position. I'm just asking you if you would take him, not if you would take him, but this or that. So your answer is yes then. You would take Luck if the 49ers had a shot, and Kaepernick's presence on the roster wouldn't effect your decision. Gotcha. Thank you.

But that's the "anti-Smith" / "not-sold on Kaepernick" pessimism. You bring up the "what if" of Smith being injured. I bring up the "what if" optimism of Alex Smith managing the team to 10 wins and a Divisional playoff birth.

The draft prospects following those vastly different seasons is far from marginal.

Ness
09-26-2011, 12:39 AM
But that's the "anti-Smith" / "not-sold on Kaepernick" pessimism. You bring up the "what if" of Smith being injured. I bring up the "what if" optimism of Alex Smith managing the team to 10 wins and a Divisional playoff birth.

The draft prospects following those vastly different seasons is far from marginal.

But we're talking about San Francisco being in the position to select Andrew Luck. You said they won't be, which was never the point of what I asked you so I don't know why you went off on that tangent in the first place. It was a yes or no question. That actually made me have to deviate from my main point to tell you that you never know what will happen in the NFL, even though that should go without saying. It has nothing to do with having a bias against Smith at all.

All in all it doesn't matter. You already said you would pick Luck if the 49ers were in position to get him...even if Kaepernick was still on the roster. And of course, I shouldn't have to ask you why that is.

This goes back to the main topic at hand, and that is that if you feel like you need to upgrade the position, you upgrade it. Period. Just because Kaepernick was taken with a high second round pick, doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't think about taking a quarterback in the first round that might be better. Especially if you have a chance to get a prospect you feel that can help your franchise.

YAYareaRB
09-26-2011, 01:32 AM
as usual we'll win ourselves right outta the luck sweepstakes

Madirishman
09-26-2011, 10:53 AM
as usual we'll win ourselves right outta the luck sweepstakes

Did you expect anything different? The Niners of recent years are great at sucking during the most important part of the season, winning late season games after they're out of the playoff chase, when it's the least beneficial to the team from a draft standpoint.

phlysac
09-26-2011, 10:58 AM
I wish we could go back and win the Bush Bowl. Reggie Bush is a franchise changing draft pick!!!

Ness
09-26-2011, 07:49 PM
I wish we could go back and win the Bush Bowl. Reggie Bush is a franchise changing draft pick!!!

I would never be thrilled about getting a running back with an early pick. Because they are really only dominant for six to seven years. Then they break down. But it's a quarterback, the most important position, that is a franchise changing pick. Especially one touted as highly as Luck is.

Did you expect anything different? The Niners of recent years are great at sucking during the most important part of the season, winning late season games after they're out of the playoff chase, when it's the least beneficial to the team from a draft standpoint.

This. It's like Groundhog Day from Hell.

Brent
09-26-2011, 08:40 PM
as usual we'll win ourselves right outta the luck sweepstakes
And probably Barkley/Jones, too.

Verloren
09-26-2011, 10:16 PM
It's part of the horror of being middle of the pack. You aren't good enough to make playoffs and be able to challenge for a SuperBowl. You aren't bad enough to get a top 10 pick and end up in the middle of the pack where most of the talent at the needed positions are gone.

Madirishman
09-26-2011, 10:20 PM
They really aren't a middle of the pack team; they are often not in contention early and just win some (all but meaningless) games late in the season to provide optimism for "next year" and screw up their draft position.

Ness
09-27-2011, 03:32 AM
It's part of the horror of being middle of the pack. You aren't good enough to make playoffs and be able to challenge for a SuperBowl. You aren't bad enough to get a top 10 pick and end up in the middle of the pack where most of the talent at the needed positions are gone.

And as a result you are stuck with the same terrible players year after year and tricked into thinking your team can actually compete the following season with who you already have.

Ness
09-27-2011, 03:36 AM
They really aren't a middle of the pack team; they are often not in contention early and just win some (all but meaningless) games late in the season to provide optimism for "next year" and screw up their draft position.

Well before last season we started 2-1 a couple of times or something. But in 2010 when we actually played real competitive teams for the first five weeks we were 0-5 not surprisingly. That was definitely a wake up call.

Madirishman
09-27-2011, 09:56 AM
Well before last season we started 2-1 a couple of times or something. But in 2010 when we actually played real competitive teams for the first five weeks we were 0-5 not surprisingly. That was definitely a wake up call.

Starting 2-1 makes you relevant for a short time, but in those seasons whee they got a fast start, the Niners had subsequent long mid-season losing streaks, taking them out of playoff contention.

Brent
09-27-2011, 06:42 PM
taking them out of playoff contention.
you make it seem as if we were competitive enough to make playoffs.

Madirishman
09-27-2011, 07:50 PM
you make it seem as if we were competitive enough to make playoffs.

I was purely speaking regarding their status mathematically at the earlier parts of the season.

However, you could argue that they have been competitive enough to contend for the NFC West crown, but not a Wild Card spot with other NFC teams outside the division.