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Big Bird
09-24-2011, 06:23 PM
Please meet Reggie Miller.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tZWX6IDdt4c/SvB7J507l3I/AAAAAAAAADA/KHzLy1ztxCk/s200/rsz_1miller_choke.jpg

In all seriousness though, I've had my concerns about Tannehill, specifically with his accuracy and decision-making. Today, they dug his grave. He reminds me a lot of Kyle Boller. I see their games as very similar.

People really need to cool down on him. I've never viewed him as a 1st Round pick, and nor should others. Way too many flaws.

Shane P. Hallam
09-24-2011, 07:30 PM
He does have a lot of flaws, but a lot of good attributes too. He makes a ton of mistakes, and that's why he isn't a first round pick. But, he has played two years in a pro style system and has bounced back and forth between WR and QB, so development still there. He has prototypical size and his technique, release, etc. are very solid. Does he come in as a starter day one? No, but I think he can be an NFL starter in a year or two of development.

ElectricEye
09-24-2011, 11:13 PM
Hasn't he only been starting for like 9 games or something like that? Taking that into consideration, I would say he's shown more good than bad so far and there's defiantly some things to be positive about. It just seems a little reactionary to write the guy off at this point, he doesn't have anywhere near required body of work to do that yet. That will more than likely keep him out of the first round, but the tools are good and the production has really been there at times as well. I didn't think it was all his fault today, one of the interceptions was a fluky play off a deflection and not really his fault. Seemed to be some miss-communication with the receivers at times as well. That's on him as much as it's on them, but it's understandable given his experience level. His tools are head and shoulders above every other Senior QB in the class right now, sans maybe Lindley who has his own issues.

SolidGold
09-24-2011, 11:18 PM
One INT - Fuller slipped and the last one it was a deflection.
Pretty sure the other was a bad decision. The turnaround of A&M is basically due to his play.

Tannehill is a good prospect, he will have a solid year. The combine will help him show off his athleticism and teams will get a feel for him - he is bright and has a good head on his shoulders.

MetSox17
09-25-2011, 04:34 AM
He was lacking some zip on a lot of his passes today.

Big Bird
09-25-2011, 12:35 PM
The guy is just like Kyle Boller. You will all rave about his arm strength and athletic ability to cover up his shotty decision-making and below average accuracy. They even have similar throwing motions.

The first INT wasn't Tannehill's fault, I'll give him that. Fuller slipped. Fuller was blanketed either way and Tannehill probably should have thrown it more towards the sideline, but not completely his fault.

The second INT is inexcusable. That's just a garbage pass. There were 5 Cowboys in that area compared to one Aggie.

And the last INT, that should've been picked off by the guy that deflected it, so don't try to dust it under the rug by saying it came off a deflection. That was a terribly placed pass. The Corner showed inside shade pre-snap and stayed there the whole time. So where does Tannehill throw it? Inside shoulder. Only reason it even got deflected in the first place was because of the effort Fuller made to try and catch it.

The guy played bad in the 2nd half yesterday, plain and simple. Two of the INT's he threw were just terrible passes, the first one attributing poor decision-making, and the last one displaying below average accuracy.

SolidGold
09-25-2011, 12:58 PM
This is his first full year under center. Lets wait until it all plays out. I agree he did not play his best game. A&M's running game was bad yesterday. They came out flat in the second half and did not make many adjustments. I think he is better than Boller but I would not have spent a first rounder on Boller because he could throw threw the uprights on his knees from 50 yds. I would spend a 2nd-3rd rounder on Tannehill right now.

onebar
10-03-2011, 10:03 AM
Tannehilll looked pretty good this past weekend.... shows alot of poise for only being a college starting quarterback for a hanful of games. His potential alone is gonna get him quite a few looks come April

SolidGold
10-03-2011, 10:24 AM
I am a big fan of his, I have been disappointed the past two weeks though that he was unable to lead comebacks. The offense is putting up points with him on at QB though, I think the coaching staff and defense are more to blame for the Arkansas loss. Tannhehill's three INTs in the Ok St game were big game changers. I was hoping he would have a great senior season and garner first round consideration, now I think he will be picked in the 2nd-3rd round.

JHL6719
10-03-2011, 07:18 PM
I think getting Tannehill in the 2nd/3rd round is EXCELLENT value. You're getting 1st round physical talent and tools, outstanding character and smarts, and tremendous upside with a guy who's really only beginning to scratch the surface of his quarterbacking potential.

FUNBUNCHER
10-03-2011, 08:22 PM
He looks like a developmental guy to me. I don't really trust him as a pro prospect just yet. IMO he's one of the more overrated prospects in the 2012 draft.

descendency
10-04-2011, 01:05 AM
The guy I want on that A&M offense is Jeff Fuller who I predict will have the biggest and strongest hands at the combine. He made some insane catches where the ball just dead stopped in his hands.

FUNBUNCHER
10-04-2011, 11:52 AM
Agree about Fuller. I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually becomes the top rated WR in the draft after the combine.

bruschis4all
10-04-2011, 12:00 PM
Tanneyhill has to come back for another year. Just hasn't played enough qb. He's got a good offensive mind coaching him and a pair of bookend T's. Stay in school.

DiG
10-04-2011, 12:02 PM
The guy I want on that A&M offense is Jeff Fuller who I predict will have the biggest and strongest hands at the combine. He made some insane catches where the ball just dead stopped in his hands.

very good hands but doesnt impress me after the catch. just doesnt have the quickness. hes sure not going to blow many guys away with his speed and i just dont see a lot of killer instinct in him.

ElectricEye
10-04-2011, 12:22 PM
I'm lukewarm on Fuller. Really don't know where I stand, could be sold either way. He doesn't look like an explosive athlete or a guy that's going to get you a whole heck of a lot down the field. Good size, but I think he's certainly a lesser prospect than Michael Floyd and I would probably put him below some other guys as well, specifically Toon.

SolidGold
10-04-2011, 12:24 PM
Tanneyhill has to come back for another year. Just hasn't played enough qb. He's got a good offensive mind coaching him and a pair of bookend T's. Stay in school.

He is a senior.

Shane P. Hallam
10-04-2011, 01:16 PM
I'm lukewarm on Fuller. Really don't know where I stand, could be sold either way. He doesn't look like an explosive athlete or a guy that's going to get you a whole heck of a lot down the field. Good size, but I think he's certainly a lesser prospect than Michael Floyd and I would probably put him below some other guys as well, specifically Toon.

I'm down on him. Fuller just doesn't look as tough or as physical as he did last year. He would always challenge for balls and be where he needed to be. He simply isn't this year. Always hate the case of, great junior year, steps back senior year.

rawdawg
10-04-2011, 06:35 PM
I'm down on him. Fuller just doesn't look as tough or as physical as he did last year. He would always challenge for balls and be where he needed to be. He simply isn't this year. Always hate the case of, great junior year, steps back senior year.

I agree. I had targeted Fuller for the Bears in the 1st round, early in the year before I saw him play. But after watching the last 2-3 games, I agree with you. A couple of Tannehill's picks have come when Fuller has let a CB get in front of him and wrestle away an INT. I take that as Fuller either not being where he needed to be on his route and that he hasn't used his body to shield defenders well, which is what he needs to do when he doesn't get separation.

I had him above Floyd, but I think Floyd has taken a large step in front of Fuller. Floyd seems to demand the ball more. He seems to be making more plays in traffic this year. His body control and positioning is always top notch. Right now, Fuller looks like a 2nd rounder, but it's hard to overlook those huge hands. Still reminds me of Hakeem Nicks, who I wanted in Chicago a few drafts ago.

nepg
10-09-2011, 02:57 AM
One INT - Fuller slipped and the last one it was a deflection.
Pretty sure the other was a bad decision. The turnaround of A&M is basically due to his play.

Tannehill is a good prospect, he will have a solid year. The combine will help him show off his athleticism and teams will get a feel for him - he is bright and has a good head on his shoulders.
Sounds like Freeman aside from the WR transition.

4U2NV
10-09-2011, 11:59 AM
I'm not that high on Tannehill, he doesn't seem to have a lot of zip on his throws from what I've seen of him. I love his running ability but he doesn't look like a natural passer to me and will end up being overdrafted based on measurables. If I was a team that missed on Luck and wanted to take a flier on another QB I'd look at RG3.

Brent
10-09-2011, 11:48 PM
I'm down on him. Fuller just doesn't look as tough or as physical as he did last year. He would always challenge for balls and be where he needed to be. He simply isn't this year. Always hate the case of, great junior year, steps back senior year.
he has a hurt hamstring

WCH
10-10-2011, 09:03 AM
The guy is just like Kyle Boller.

I disagree. Nobody is like Kyle Boller. The NFL Draft may never see another Kyle Boller. That guy played in a QB-friendly offense and still only completed 47.8% of his passes at Cal, but somehow he wound up in the first round of the draft. He averaged a pedestrian 6.1 Yards/Attempt. He didn't have good mechanics and would forget whether he was supposed to be making a 5- or 7-step drop.

There's a scene in Moneyball where the "old school" scouts are evaluating players based on things like how impressive their jawlines are, and how hot their girlfriends are. I'm pretty sure that's the same criteria that was used to evaluate Kyle Boller, because these guys obviously didn't watch him play in a game. Or even take a look at his stat-sheet.

"Solid young man, can throw a football through the uprights while down on one knee, and he has a hot girlfriend...how can we miss with this guy?"

DraftSavant
10-10-2011, 01:26 PM
Meh, when I watch Tannehill I see the prospect that Jake Locker was supposed to be.

Extremely strong arm, will throw to any quadrant of the field (and isn't protected by playcalling - he'll throw a deep out to the wide side like it's nothing).

He's still raw, but his upside is higher than any QB in this draft.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-10-2011, 05:46 PM
He's still raw, but his upside is higher than any QB in this draft.


That's excessive. But I do have him as my 4th best QB with a chance to overtake Barkley.

bored of education
10-15-2011, 02:40 PM
This Guy can play on Sundays, may not be able to right away. I see a team like Chiefs, Buffalo(kinda), Miami, Oakland, Seattle grabbing him in the 2nd if they miss out on a qb in the 1st. he can develop in to a very good quarterback. he has only played Qb like 14 games.

ElectricEye
10-15-2011, 02:54 PM
Tannehill and Swope put on a show today. There's obviously some things that are rough around the edges, but if it was the right situation and I already had a quarterback who could play for a year or two, I would be comfortable taking him somewhere outside of the top 20.

bored of education
10-15-2011, 02:58 PM
Tannehill and Swope put on a show today. There's obviously some things that are rough around the edges, but if it was the right situation and I already had a quarterback who could play for a year or two, I would be comfortable taking him somewhere outside of the top 20.

zomgzz Swope is next Welker!

ElectricEye
10-15-2011, 03:02 PM
zomgzz Swope is next Welker!

Hey, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Swope isn't even little and slow. He's fairly average sized and fast even....but he is pretty damn white.

Rabscuttle
10-15-2011, 03:42 PM
I love the scouting line - pretty damn white

RaiderNation
10-15-2011, 07:20 PM
This Guy can play on Sundays, may not be able to right away. I see a team like Chiefs, Buffalo(kinda), Miami, Oakland, Seattle grabbing him in the 2nd if they miss out on a qb in the 1st. he can develop in to a very good quarterback. he has only played Qb like 14 games.

Not sure if Oakland will go QB unless Campbell just completely biffs the rest of the year. We did use a 3rd on Pryor as well and Hue has already said he is a QB on this team.

But onto Tannehill, I currently have him ranked 5th at QB(1st Senior). He is a good option in the 3rd as a developmental prospect that could really benefit sitting a year or 2 with some good coaching. Wouldn't be surprised if he was a starting caliber QB at a point in his career.

Brent
10-15-2011, 08:18 PM
he is good at a lot of things, but not great at any one particular thing.

SolidGold
10-15-2011, 08:33 PM
Nice to see Tannehill play well today, he has been one of my guys since the beginning of the year, also great to see him outduel Griffin in a great match up. I think he ends up a Redskin.

Razor
10-16-2011, 08:09 AM
Nice to see Tannehill play well today, he has been one of my guys since the beginning of the year, also great to see him outduel Griffin in a great match up. I think he ends up a Redskin.

Yup, that's my spot for him as well in all the mocks I've done this year. I'm a very big fan and I think he might end up being at least the second best QB selected in 2012 if he gets drafted by a team that knows how to develop QBs. Tannehill just seems like the kind of QB Shanny would want, and I know that Shanny can develop QBs.

bored of education
10-16-2011, 08:52 AM
I like that fit a lot.

Babylon
10-16-2011, 11:44 AM
zomgzz Swope is next Welker!

Aren't they all.

Brent
10-16-2011, 04:32 PM
Aren't they all.
white players can share similarities to black players? what sort of sport do you think this is?

DraftSavant
10-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Meh, when I watch Tannehill I see the prospect that Jake Locker was supposed to be.

Extremely strong arm, will throw to any quadrant of the field (and isn't protected by playcalling - he'll throw a deep out to the wide side like it's nothing).

He's still raw, but his upside is higher than any QB in this draft.

Love this kid.

bored of education
10-19-2011, 04:49 PM
My number four QB as of now behind the bigger three, he could play himself into the mid first and I think the will blow up during the pre-draft process.

49erNation85
10-19-2011, 05:49 PM
BOE don't be hating on K.Moore he could start for you guys .

TACKLE
10-19-2011, 07:50 PM
My number four QB as of now behind the bigger three, he could play himself into the mid first and I think the will blow up during the pre-draft process.

I tend to agree with the opinions stated in this post.

bored of education
10-19-2011, 07:59 PM
I tend to agree with the opinions stated in this post.

you are one very smart individual

Brent
10-19-2011, 08:02 PM
BOE don't be hating on K.Moore he could start for you guys .
hahahahahahah, wait wait wait... hahahahahahahha

I tend to agree with the opinions stated in this post.
my being Aggie means I tend to agree wholeheartedly

bucfan12
10-19-2011, 09:19 PM
Tannehill has a birght future in the league. I just think he'd benefit from sitting a year, maybe 2. However, the way teams handle QBs, that most lilkely won't happen.

Someone compared him to Aaron Rodgers, but I'm not sure that's fair

DraftSavant
10-19-2011, 10:30 PM
Tannehill has a birght future in the league. I just think he'd benefit from sitting a year, maybe 2. However, the way teams handle QBs, that most lilkely won't happen.

Someone compared him to Aaron Rodgers, but I'm not sure that's fair

I know what you mean. As far as skillset goes, they're very similar. People attach to much to player comparisons, though. Each individual prospect is unique, so you can really only judge the skillset.

Take Quinton Coples. If you like him, you can compare him to Justin Tuck. If you don't like him, you can compare him to Jamaal Anderson.

People see what they want to see. Myself included.

onejayhawk
10-20-2011, 09:15 AM
I know what you mean. As far as skillset goes, they're very similar. People attach to much to player comparisons, though. Each individual prospect is unique, so you can really only judge the skillset.

Take Quinton Coples. If you like him, you can compare him to Justin Tuck. If you don't like him, you can compare him to Jamaal Anderson.

People see what they want to see. Myself included.

Rodgers did not set the world on fire coming out. No one did that year. The fact that GB had Favre available, let Rodgers ride the pine for two years, learning the game and retooling as needed. Alex Smith has finally settled down into a quality starter. I suspect he would have come around much faster had he been allowed to sit at first. Ditto Tebow. Sometimes OJT is the slowest path.

J

bucfan12
10-20-2011, 11:15 AM
Rodgers did not set the world on fire coming out. No one did that year. The fact that GB had Favre available, let Rodgers ride the pine for two years, learning the game and retooling as needed. Alex Smith has finally settled down into a quality starter. I suspect he would have come around much faster had he been allowed to sit at first. Ditto Tebow. Sometimes OJT is the slowest path.

J

I'm not ready to believe he's become a quality starter already. after what being his 7th year in the league, he's put up good numbers, but honestly, I'm waiting for the "real" Alex Smith to come back.

onejayhawk
10-21-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm not ready to believe he's become a quality starter already. after what being his 7th year in the league, he's put up good numbers, but honestly, I'm waiting for the "real" Alex Smith to come back.

This is the real Alex Smith. Now that he has learned to use his blocking, do the play action fake, rely on the running game and stay within his limits. In short, now that he is able to do what Radgers did the first time the Pack hadnded him the starter position.

J

Caulibflower
11-29-2011, 07:40 AM
Looks both ways...

Caulibflower
11-29-2011, 07:41 AM
Trying to get back to the top of the page to maximize the bump...

Caulibflower
11-29-2011, 07:41 AM
Tannehill's my favorite quarterback in this draft. I'd take him over Luck. What he's done at A&M is pretty amazing. Comes in and as a walk-on RS Freshman has a record-setting season at wide receiver, including a game with 12 catches for 210 yards. Midway through his junior season, he gets asked to move back to quarterback, the position he was recruited to play. And right away, he has success. The videos I'm linking to are both SEC defenses. Andrew Luck doesn't have a whole lot of games against the caliber of athletes on found on powerhouse SEC schools. Ryan Tannehill can nail the deep out. He does it in front of Patrick Peterson from the far side of the field - he's got plenty of arm strength. I think he has the best arm in this class. He's obviously raw, but I think the upside is so obvious that a team should pick him and work with him. Mechanics and footwork will come. He's already got a really quick, tight throwing motion, and throws with good touch on the run.

And, since he's been more of an athlete through his career and is used to contact and being tackled, getting pressured in the pocket really doesn't seem to phase him that much. He just tries to get the pass off. Don't think a guy studying to be an orthopedic surgeon is going to have much trouble with play books or schemes, either. It's certainly risky to take him #1 overall because he's such an unrefined player, but I'd take him over Luck if given the choice. If he made it to Seattle in round two I'd be stoked, but I think between now and the draft his stock is going to be one of those that just keeps rising. If he has a big bowl game, he's a first round pick, because he's going to blow up the combine and workouts.

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FUNBUNCHER
11-29-2011, 07:57 AM
Not based on where you'd take him Calubflower, but where do you think Tannehill is drafted??

People look at Tannehill's missed throws and INTs instead of focusing on his positives and miss his upside IMO.
He's a guy I think who's best football is in front of him.

He's ridiculously athletic for the position and I'd put him right behind RGIII in terms of pure athleticism.

Curious if he'll be overdrafted on potential in the first round, or he drops based on his last season at Texas A&M.

Caulibflower
11-29-2011, 08:14 AM
I think what we saw last year is that teams who need QBs are willing to just take them in the first. Pretty much every QB who could make some kind of argument to get into the first did. The fact that he's so inexperienced is going to make coaches uneasy, but they can make the pick without having to worry about cap space, and I think that's got to really increase the chances of a coach drafting a player they can afford to allow a developmental period. So to answer your question simply, I think he if continues in the way he has been, he ends up in the first. I don't think he can go first overall, but he could climb right up into the top ten if he plays well and continues to improve through the end of the year. If he interviews well and teams like his character, he's bound to workout well and I can see a team taking him in the top ten. Yes, he's a one-year wonder and all that, but I do think the new draft salary structure is going to result in a lot more "unpolished" QBs being taken sooner than they used to be. Hoping he gets to the Seahawks in the second round seems a bit...optomistic...to me. I'm just thinking he looks like he has the best arm in this class when I watch him throw, and the throws he's making are the ones he has to make in the NFL. He does them routinely. I see that ability, and also the fact that he's shown a willingness to work hard and excel (walking on, changing positions multiple times), and he's a perennial All-Academic; he seems like he's got his head on straight and is maximizing his talent. So I think, "Hey, I'll go ahead and make the investment, because the upside appears to be very high and the stakes are lower than they've been for awhile."

SolidGold
11-29-2011, 08:18 AM
I like Tannehill alot, his potential is through the roof and as other have said he is a very raw player at the position. His senior campaign was a little disappointing to me so I project him as a late first round pick at this point. A good post season bowl game and combine will probably help his stock.

I also hate Mike Sherman and the A&M defense. Good luck next year! Texas A&M had a legit shot to be 8-4 or 9-3 but Sherman's playcalling and the defense really blew. Tannehill's untimely int's in some of those games did not help but I would not blame their disastrous season on him.

He could be the Jake Locker of this draft class. They are both very good athletes - I really think the Skins are looking hard at Tannehill since the rumor was they would of drafted Locker had he been available. Locker did not have the great senior season many had hoped and while Tannehill was better I think he could have thrown a few less INTs.

DraftSavant
11-29-2011, 11:43 AM
I said earlier in the year that he's the prospect Jake Locker should have been. I was really hanging off his nutsack early this year. One of the few college QBs I've ever seen who can make any throw to any area of the field routinely. Dude just kept getting worse and worse as the season went along, though.

I still like him, though, and agree that his best football is in front of him. Needs to be developed. But hell, if Blaine Gabbert can be the 10th overall pick (and be considered by many to be the top QB), then I really don't feel bad for liking Tannehill.

Brown Leader
11-29-2011, 03:26 PM
He's also my favorite and I see the Browns Heckert/Holmgren making him a Brown come April. But I don't think he's anywhere near the athlete Locker is. His mobility is closer to Joe Flacco. He has plus straight line speed but isn't really a threat to scramble and create on his own. I'd say most of the top QB's that came out last year have better mobility than him, including Dalton.

His role in A&M defeats and blown leads can't be overlooked but it seems like half his picks are attempting to throw at Jeff Fuller. It's as if he's trusted Fuller too much this year, routinely throwing the ball up to him, giving him an opportunity to match the catch, even when well covered. Obviously it hasn't worked out. Fuller is vastly overrated imo based on what I've seen this season.

The picks to Fuller emphasize his reluctance or inability to improvise/ scramble. At this point he's a bit mechanical in his execution and progressions. Definitely owns the strongest arm in this class and looks perfectly suited for the short to intermediate offense Shurmur is trying to run in Cleveland. Not quite as accurate deep but he's made plenty of picture perfect bucket throws, it's a matter of consistency.

Did anyone see his girl in the stands vs Texas? Her man is having a poor performance and the team is giving up another 1st half lead, and she just winks at the camera and cheeses. How embarrassing, lol. That could knock him down a grade.

FUNBUNCHER
11-29-2011, 03:45 PM
Tannehill is more mobile than Flacco. I don't get where you're coming from with that. You think Flacco could have played WR for Texas A&M and had over 800 yards receiving and 5 TDs, the way Tannehill did as a freshman??

Only three guys last year conceivably could have done that; Newton, Locker and Gabbert.
If Tannehill is anything, he's an outstanding pure athlete IMO.

SolidGold
11-29-2011, 04:04 PM
He's also my favorite and I see the Browns Heckert/Holmgren making him a Brown come April. But I don't think he's anywhere near the athlete Locker is. His mobility is closer to Joe Flacco. He has plus straight line speed but isn't really a threat to scramble and create on his own. I'd say most of the top QB's that came out last year have better mobility than him, including Dalton.

His role in A&M defeats and blown leads can't be overlooked but it seems like half his picks are attempting to throw at Jeff Fuller. It's as if he's trusted Fuller too much this year, routinely throwing the ball up to him, giving him an opportunity to match the catch, even when well covered. Obviously it hasn't worked out. Fuller is vastly overrated imo based on what I've seen this season.

The picks to Fuller emphasize his reluctance or inability to improvise/ scramble. At this point he's a bit mechanical in his execution and progressions. Definitely owns the strongest arm in this class and looks perfectly suited for the short to intermediate offense Shurmur is trying to run in Cleveland. Not quite as accurate deep but he's made plenty of picture perfect bucket throws, it's a matter of consistency.

Did anyone see his girl in the stands vs Texas? Her man is having a poor performance and the team is giving up another 1st half lead, and she just winks at the camera and cheeses. How embarrassing, lol. That could knock him down a grade.

I couldn't agree more. When watching his games he would have open field ahead of him but it seemed like something stopped him from just taking off for a first down - like he was playing mechanical rather than just playing the game. I have to wonder if he had been coached up not to run.

Spaceboy1
11-29-2011, 05:11 PM
Tannehill's accuracy leaves A LOT to be desired.

DraftSavant
11-29-2011, 05:35 PM
Tannehill's accuracy leaves A LOT to be desired.

I think his accuracy is generally okay, and dude makes more "NFL" throws than most of the QBs in this class. Like people have said, he's overly-robotic in his mechanics. I'm more concerned with his tendency to throw blind into coverage after his first read.

Caulibflower
11-29-2011, 06:06 PM
Tannehill's accuracy leaves A LOT to be desired.

...Sometimes. Other times, he drops in into tiny spaces beautifully. He's definitely extremely raw and inconsistent, so I guess I'm just kind of enamored with what seems like a huuuuuge potential. He's got a couple things that separate him from your typical "Athlete"-labeled prospects in that his arm is totally legit, and he's got a good reputation as a student and worker. I mean, if this was talking about a 6'4" RS Sophomore...say, he redshirts as a receiver, then last year was a RS Frosh season where he switched back to QB, and this this year was his Sophomore year, and he still had two more... people would be looking at his physical ability, the early success he's had against good defenses, and would be thinking, "This guy still has tons of room to improve and could be the number one overall pick in 2014." It's just that he moved to QB late in his career, so as a RS Senior you've got people saying, "Well, he doesn't have very much experience and he's really raw," as if college is the only place to prepare to be an NFL QB. I'm looking at his skill set, thinking that the skill set is pretty elite, and thinking, "Yes, I am willing to wait three years for him to develop, because after that I might have an elite QB for another decade." IS he on Andrew Luck's level right now? Aboslutely not, but his upside is also higher. And again, I think he throws a better ball. Andrew Luck executes plays beautifully; to me, that's what really stands out with Luck. He runs that offense like he was born to - he's just super, super comfortable in it and always looks really composed. He's also more accurate. Barkley is probably better suited to start at this point than Tannehill, too, but I'm not much of a Landry Jones fan, and between RGIII and Tannehill I think I prefer Tannehill's height, inter-positional experience and arm more than RGIII's reputation as a great athlete. Tannehill seems to offer a bit more as a runner, although both actually take of to run a little less than I'd like, at least at the college level. Both of them, while possessing real speed, seem like they are so committed to throwing sometimes that they leave some yards on the field when they could easily scramble for 5 or more. But that's nitpicky.

For me, at this point, my QB ranking as looking kinda like

1. Andrew Luck/Ryan Tannehill. Depends on a team's scheme and whether they already have an established starter. If it's Indy picking, they've got to go Luck. Tannehill just does not seem like a good fit for that offense. Context aside, I've been saying I like Tannehill better, but you've got to look at which teams are picking when you're projecting where a player's going to go, and Luck fits better in Indy. I suppose as I say this, I'm saying so thinking Luck will be playing right away. I've got kind of a bad feeling about Manning. Wouldn't surprise me if he's done. If he's not... It'd probably benefit Tannehill a lot to learn from him for a couple years, but it be a way bigger change in offensive scheme from Manning to Tanehill than it would be from Manning to Luck. I don't trust Miami's staff, so sending Tannehill there could be a disaster. I do think that with these developmental guys, a TON of their success is predicated on where they land. I think the upside is huge, and that's why I rank him so highly, but I also definitely think he needs to go to a place where he'll get good coaching. Seattle is probably one of the first landing spots that looks really good in that regard, although Cleveland is intriguing. The only other teams in the top half of the first who might take a QB would probably be Washington or KC.

3. Matt Barkley. I think he'll go ahead of Tannehill to a team like Washington or Miami. He's pretty polished, pretty capable, but isn't very exciting to me. I think he's a guy who'll start in the NFL for a decade without being a Pro Bowler. Almost kind of a weird combination of David Garrard and Matt Hasselbeck. I see him as a decent starter who could make some Pro Bowls by efficiently leading a good team, and he's got some athleticism and can make plays when the called one fails.

4. Robert Griffin III. I like his athleticism, but don't really like the way he uses it, to be honest. He throws some really nice deep balls, and has pretty good pocket presence and awareness. I think he's a bit overhyped. I think a team with an aging QB would do well to pick him up in the later first and let him settle into an offense. I don't think he's a player who can turn around a franchise. Kind of like Barkley. I think if you get him on a good team, he's not going to hurt you; he'll be a good player. Oddly, in a way I think I'm docking him a bit for his running ability. As in, I don't think he scrambles as well as he should, given his athletic ability. Now, you might think that's insane of me to think, but weirdly, sometimes when I watch him scramble he just doesn't look very good to me, and when I'm watching athletic QBs run around trying to make plays... I'm not just looking at YPC, or if they can get a first down when there's 10 yards of grass in front of them, I'm looking at how well they extend plays in the pocket. That's something Cam Newton does really well; he's not running it down the field, he's running around behind the line of scrimmage avoiding tacklers until he can throw. With RGIII, everyone knows he's got the speed, but he's not as elusive in the pocket as I guess I think he should be. I don't know. Nitpicky again. Doesn't have the strongest arm, but it's good enough. Think he could end up being Buffalo or even Dallas's first round pick.

5. Landry Jones. Just not a Jones fan. He's got a good enough arm, but it isn't elite. Got good size, but that's not what makes a QB good. He's alright. But I think I actually liked Ryan Mallett better last year. Mallett grew on me. Landry Jones isn't as slow, but neither were ever going to be drafted with their scrambling ability in mind. I think Landry's kind of like a Ryan Mallett whose arm isn't as strong. I thought Mallett went exactly where he should've gone in last year's draft, so that tells you what I think about Landry Jones. I think he's going to get picked in the first, but I think he's a QB whose stock benefits greatly from being in such a visible program.

Brown Leader
11-29-2011, 06:30 PM
4. Robert Griffin III. I like his athleticism, but don't really like the way he uses it, to be honest. He throws some really nice deep balls, and has pretty good pocket presence and awareness. I think he's a bit overhyped. I think a team with an aging QB would do well to pick him up in the later first and let him settle into an offense. I don't think he's a player who can turn around a franchise. Kind of like Barkley. I think if you get him on a good team, he's not going to hurt you; he'll be a good player. Oddly, in a way I think I'm docking him a bit for his running ability. As in, I don't think he scrambles as well as he should, given his athletic ability. Now, you might think that's insane of me to think, but weirdly, sometimes when I watch him scramble he just doesn't look very good to me, and when I'm watching athletic QBs run around trying to make plays... I'm not just looking at YPC, or if they can get a first down when there's 10 yards of grass in front of them, I'm looking at how well they extend plays in the pocket. That's something Cam Newton does really well; he's not running it down the field, he's running around behind the line of scrimmage avoiding tacklers until he can throw. With RGIII, everyone knows he's got the speed, but he's not as elusive in the pocket as I guess I think he should be. I don't know. Nitpicky again. Doesn't have the strongest arm, but it's good enough. Think he could end up being Buffalo or even Dallas's first round pick.

This is definitely a knock on him. For the athletic talent that Griffin is, he doesn't have a good feel for using it and being as elusive as he could be. But with his arm and talent to throw, running is just an added bonus anyhow.

5. Landry Jones. Just not a Jones fan. He's got a good enough arm, but it isn't elite. Got good size, but that's not what makes a QB good. He's alright. But I think I actually liked Ryan Mallett better last year. Mallett grew on me. Landry Jones isn't as slow, but neither were ever going to be drafted with their scrambling ability in mind. I think Landry's kind of like a Ryan Mallett whose arm isn't as strong. I thought Mallett went exactly where he should've gone in last year's draft, so that tells you what I think about Landry Jones. I think he's going to get picked in the first, but I think he's a QB whose stock benefits greatly from being in such a visible program.

He reminds a bit of Mallett too because both are great natural throwers. Given a clean pocket, both I think could shred defenses. But I liked Mallett last year.



Tannehill is more mobile than Flacco. I don't get where you're coming from with that. You think Flacco could have played WR for Texas A&M and had over 800 yards receiving and 5 TDs, the way Tannehill did as a freshman??

Only three guys last year conceivably could have done that; Newton, Locker and Gabbert.
If Tannehill is anything, he's an outstanding pure athlete IMO.

That's right-great athlete-but his athletic ability is getting a little overrated. I think his playing WR is overstated. He was a big target with good hands and straight line speed and toughness but as a QB he's not especially elusive in the pocket and doesn't possess much burst. He's a bit more mobile than Flacco but Dalton and Ponder are definitely better scramblers.

Spaceboy1
11-29-2011, 10:03 PM
Ryan Tannehill as the #1 QB (even if in a tie) is simply hilarious to me, as a guy that lives in Texas and has seen all of A&M's games this year. He may have potential like you say, but he could only lead a VERY talented Aggie to a 6-6 record.

Also, Griffin is a WAY better scrambler and runner than is Tannehill. Tannehill is a good athlete (not on Griffin's level obviously) but he doesn't really seem like a natural scrambler or evasive guy in the pocket. The biggest knock on Tannehill has to be the bone headed decisions. The Big-12 defensively is pretty bad, so every QB in the conference (Weeden, Tannehill, RG3, Jones, KSU QB) has ultimately looked pretty good this year.

Tannehill right now looks like Gabbert 2.0 to me, and we all know how he has looked this year for Jax.

SolidGold
11-30-2011, 07:56 AM
Ryan Tannehill as the #1 QB (even if in a tie) is simply hilarious to me, as a guy that lives in Texas and has seen all of A&M's games this year. He may have potential like you say, but he could only lead a VERY talented Aggie to a 6-6 record.

Also, Griffin is a WAY better scrambler and runner than is Tannehill. Tannehill is a good athlete (not on Griffin's level obviously) but he doesn't really seem like a natural scrambler or evasive guy in the pocket. The biggest knock on Tannehill has to be the bone headed decisions. The Big-12 defensively is pretty bad, so every QB in the conference (Weeden, Tannehill, RG3, Jones, KSU QB) has ultimately looked pretty good this year.

Tannehill right now looks like Gabbert 2.0 to me, and we all know how he has looked this year for Jax.

For all of Tannehill's faults you cannot blame the .500 record solely on him. He did not play defense. The A&M defense was one of the worst in the country. He gave his team a few double digit leads and his defense blew it. With a legit defense and competent head coach this team would have been 8-4 or 9-3.

Spaceboy1
11-30-2011, 09:12 AM
For all of Tannehill's faults you cannot blame the .500 record solely on him. He did not play defense. The A&M defense was one of the worst in the country. He gave his team a few double digit leads and his defense blew it. With a legit defense and competent head coach this team would have been 8-4 or 9-3.

I will agree that A&M should have been better, that team has a lot of talent on it. It is amazing to me that Sherman isn't getting fired. With that said Tannehill had three games this year in which he threw 3 picks, all losses. I know most of his hype is based on potential but for me he really was mediocre this year in the Big 12.

SolidGold
11-30-2011, 12:34 PM
I will agree that A&M should have been better, that team has a lot of talent on it. It is amazing to me that Sherman isn't getting fired. With that said Tannehill had three games this year in which he threw 3 picks, all losses. I know most of his hype is based on potential but for me he really was mediocre this year in the Big 12.

I would say he was better than mediocre, but he did not live up to my expectations. Coming into the season I felt he would project to be a top 10-15 pick. Granted he is still raw but based on production he has fallen to the late first/early second range.

I do think during the senior bowl and combine he has potential to rise. By all accounts he is a bright kid with a good head on his shoulders. After last year's draft with the QBs being overdrafted I would not be surprised if he ends up getting picked earlier than expected.

Caulibflower
11-30-2011, 01:14 PM
Ryan Tannehill as the #1 QB (even if in a tie) is simply hilarious to me, as a guy that lives in Texas and has seen all of A&M's games this year. He may have potential like you say, but he could only lead a VERY talented Aggie to a 6-6 record.

I'm not simply putting them in an order and saying that any team which needs a QB should pick my "number one," and if that player is gone should pick the next guy in my rankings; some guys are definitely better prepared for NFL success than Tannehill is right now. The reason I have Tannehill ranked next to Luck is that when I look at these guys, and think about both how they play now and how much room they have to improve, I can see Tannehill developing into a really nice player - I think he could end up being better than Barkley, which is why I "rank" him above Barkley. Doesn't mean if Miami's picking I think they shouldn't pick Barkley over Tannehill; some teams might be better off picking a guy who is less of a project. Where I'm coming from is if I'm just looking at all of these prospects and imagining what I think they could be like 6 years into their careers. Like if I was a QB coach and my GM told me I could pick any of these QBs, but they wouldn't play for their first two years, I'd be really debating between Tannehill's upside and Luck's floor. That's pretty much how it seems to me. I'm not just straight-up trying to say 1 is better than 2 is better than 3, etc.

Tannehill right now looks like Gabbert 2.0 to me, and we all know how he has looked this year for Jax.

They're definitely really similar physically, but Gabbert's main issue was always his skittishness in the pocket - that's what people, myself included, saw and just thought, "There's no way that's going to go away when the guys coming after him are even bigger, faster and meaner." And as a rookie, he's just looked like a frightened rabbit at times. Tannehill hasn't looked like that at all when I've watched him play. For me, disliking Gabbert was never about disliking his ability, it was that he's always had an extremely nervous pocket presence. If that's what you're seeing in Tannehill, I'd be interested to see some tape. That would bother me. You sound like you've probably watched more of him than I have, but the few games I've watched him, I just kept seeing him do things that made me thought he could play in the NFL. Not that he was ready to play in the NFL by any means, but that he has the ability to make plays which are extremely hard to defend. NFL coaches can hopefully coach him out of the things that would hurt him, like forcing throws to his favorite receiver when he should throw it away.

Spaceboy1
11-30-2011, 01:29 PM
Calub,

I agree that Tannehill hasn't looked as scared in the pocket as Gabbert, I guess my comparison was more based on physical attributes, raw ability and decision making abilities.

DraftSavant
11-30-2011, 01:38 PM
I'm not simply putting them in an order and saying that any team which needs a QB should pick my "number one," and if that player is gone should pick the next guy in my rankings; some guys are definitely better prepared for NFL success than Tannehill is right now. The reason I have Tannehill ranked next to Luck is that when I look at these guys, and think about both how they play now and how much room they have to improve, I can see Tannehill developing into a really nice player - I think he could end up being better than Barkley, which is why I "rank" him above Barkley. Doesn't mean if Miami's picking I think they shouldn't pick Barkley over Tannehill; some teams might be better off picking a guy who is less of a project. Where I'm coming from is if I'm just looking at all of these prospects and imagining what I think they could be like 6 years into their careers. Like if I was a QB coach and my GM told me I could pick any of these QBs, but they wouldn't play for their first two years, I'd be really debating between Tannehill's upside and Luck's floor. That's pretty much how it seems to me. I'm not just straight-up trying to say 1 is better than 2 is better than 3, etc.



They're definitely really similar physically, but Gabbert's main issue was always his skittishness in the pocket - that's what people, myself included, saw and just thought, "There's no way that's going to go away when the guys coming after him are even bigger, faster and meaner." And as a rookie, he's just looked like a frightened rabbit at times. Tannehill hasn't looked like that at all when I've watched him play. For me, disliking Gabbert was never about disliking his ability, it was that he's always had an extremely nervous pocket presence. If that's what you're seeing in Tannehill, I'd be interested to see some tape. That would bother me. You sound like you've probably watched more of him than I have, but the few games I've watched him, I just kept seeing him do things that made me thought he could play in the NFL. Not that he was ready to play in the NFL by any means, but that he has the ability to make plays which are extremely hard to defend. NFL coaches can hopefully coach him out of the things that would hurt him, like forcing throws to his favorite receiver when he should throw it away.

I agree with everything about this post.

descendency
12-01-2011, 08:22 AM
I think his accuracy is generally okay, and dude makes more "NFL" throws than most of the QBs in this class.

And this is why he will be a late first round pick. My guess is that someone trades up to get him, like Washington.

Iamcanadian
12-01-2011, 12:50 PM
He is the type of prospect who will need a solid post season to move up the charts. How he performs in the post season will go a long way in determining just how high or low he ends up.

onejayhawk
12-01-2011, 02:05 PM
He is the type of prospect who will need a solid post season to move up the charts. How he performs in the post season will go a long way in determining just how high or low he ends up.

I'll flip that. He is the type of QB that will rise on his solid post season. Three things.

1) His untapped potential is obvious, and Scouts tend to ignore anything fixable.
2) He is expected to interview very well, even compared to other QBs. You have to love the learning curve and work ethic. As much as scouts can spot "it", he has it.
3) Tools, tools, tools.

J

Iamcanadian
12-01-2011, 02:28 PM
I'll flip that. He is the type of QB that will rise on his solid post season. Three things.

1) His untapped potential is obvious, and Scouts tend to ignore anything fixable.
2) He is expected to interview very well, even compared to other QBs. You have to love the learning curve and work ethic. As much as scouts can spot "it", he has it.
3) Tools, tools, tools.

J

I cannot disagree with your assessment, he has real potential but the post season can make or break you if you have a serious flaw that we may not be aware of.
Teams have become pretty solid in appraising QB's for the draft and the success rate is increasing substantially as college QB's throw the ball more and more. Years ago, college QB's played mostly in a running attack but in today's game they mostly throw the ball and tend to be easier to judge, although nothing is perfect.
We obviously have a pretty substantial # of QB's who could go in round 1, Luck will go #1, Barkley likely #2, but after that it will be a real competition for the order of the remaiming QB's. Where Tannehill finishes up is anybodies guess at this stage of the process.

Brown Leader
01-19-2012, 11:50 AM
The more I look at Tannehill, the less confident I am about him. He lacks a good feel for the game and I don't think it's simply a matter of his lack of experience. Right now, I'd take Brock over him. I've never liked Foles so for me it would go-Luck, Osweiler, Griffin (Griffin has more upside but he scares me more.), Tannehill, and I guess Foles.

Tannehill has the biggest arm and is probably the 2nd fastest of the group (despite Scott's estimates), but I'll take Luck, Griffin and Osweiler's mobility over his, if that makes any sense. In other words I'd trust the other three to get a tough first down or TD running than I would Tannehill. He's still Flacco-esque and I love the upside but I've come down on him a bit and now with the foot injury he's just a big gamble in the first.

Babylon
01-19-2012, 12:27 PM
The more I look at Tannehill, the less confident I am about him. He lacks a good feel for the game and I don't think it's simply a matter of his lack of experience. Right now, I'd take Brock over him. I've never liked Foles so for me it would go-Luck, Osweiler, Griffin (Griffin has more upside but he scares me more.), Tannehill, and I guess Foles.

Tannehill has the biggest arm and is probably the 2nd fastest of the group (despite Scott's estimates), but I'll take Luck, Griffin and Osweiler's mobility over his, if that makes any sense. In other words I'd trust the other three to get a tough first down or TD running than I would Tannehill. He's still Flacco-esque and I love the upside but I've come down on him a bit and now with the foot injury he's just a big gamble in the first.

Problem with any of these guys outside of Luck is they are going to take some time. Griffin might be able to play soon because of his skills but i doubt his team wins much. Then you have Brock and Tannehill, god knows how long it will take those two.

Big Bird
01-19-2012, 12:45 PM
Good thing somebody bumped this.

My feelings are still the same regarding him. The rookie year will be will tough if he plays (which I do expect somebody to take a 1st Round flier on him, and with the way the NFL is now, he will have to play at some point as a 1st Rounder). His footwork was arguably his biggest problem (though he has a few), and now that he has a foot injury, it's going to be awfully tough to work on that during the offseason...