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gpngc
09-24-2011, 10:34 PM
Pick games against the spread. Talk about what teams to like each week and why. Track your progress in this thread.

You can take as many games as you want but if you lose ATS the juice will be -110 so going 1-1 means you are down $10. All bets are $100. Post teasers (-120 juice), parlays, or moneyline bets but keep it organized so I can update the leaderboard each week. You must take a minimum of 1 game each week, but you can miss one week and still win the contest (if you want to win, the best way is to take less games). You can use whatever lines you have from your sportsbook or whatever site (unless it's real fishy), but just know that no regular straight ATS bets are going to be priced at anything other than -110 (even if it's -120 or EVEN in real life).

Leaderboard
gpngc: (7-1-2) + $590
Metsox: (2-2) - $20

Giantsfan1080
09-24-2011, 10:36 PM
Started this to late. Borat used to run this and always did a great job.

gpngc
09-24-2011, 11:26 PM
gpngc's Week 3 plays

49ers +3.5 @ Bengals
Last week, Cincy played the Broncos tough on the road with breakout performances by Andy Dalton and A.J. Green. So far, the team once thought of as a potential Andrew Luck sweepstakes winner is playing pretty well. They can run it a little and play solid defense, but last week they were able to move the ball because of another awful performance by the Broncos' lackluster defensive unit. I expect Andy Dalton to look like a rookie against an underrated 49ers defense. The Niners will take away A.J. Green and take advantage of Patrick Willis' matchups with Benson and Dalton. After an emotional loss at home to Dallas, the 49ers are desperate for a win, and need their OC to let the QB finally throw the ball around a little. They'll make enough plays in the passing game to win the East coast 1:00 contest (always rough) fairly easily.
49ers 24, Bengals 12

Texans +4 @ Saints
A lot of people are backing the Saints because of how good they looked demolishing the Bears at home last week.

1) The Saints are consistently inconsistent. Last year they'd look like Champions one week and then **** the bed at home against the Browns. Drew Brees is on another level right now, but I think he'll take a step back down to earth in this one.

2) People don't respect the Texans yet. And they shouldn't. The general consensus is "show us you're for real by winning a big game on the road." And it makes total sense. The thing is, you aren't getting +4 anywhere with this quad when they are 9-0 in November. I'm hopping on the train now. The defense MAY BE THE BEST UNIT IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. It's possible. And the Saints D is susceptible to getting lit up. The Bears just couldn't block their pass rushers. The Texans, however, boast one of the best OLs in the league (and a much better running game for support for Schaub). In a matchup of two teams that I expect to make a run at the Super Bowl, I'm going with the Texans to get their first signature win as a franchise.
Texans 27, Saints 24

Dolphins +1 @ Browns
My favorite sleeper is 0-2 after two straight unbelievably bad defensive performances. The defense HAS to play better although missing Vontae Davis is a big blow. I'm not sold on the Browns and simply don't think they are better than Miami in any phase of the game. The Dolphins also have their backs against the wall and NEED a win. This will either be a statement win, or a clear sign that the team has given up on their head coach. I think Henne, Bush, Thomas, and Marshall sustain drives, Dan Carpenter has a busy day, and the Phins score a defensive TD en route to an easy victory.
Dolphins 38, Browns 17

Broncos +7 @ Titans
All of the sudden Matt Hasselbeck is getting respect from the oddsmakers like it's '05 again! Hasselbeck was pretty bad in Week 1, but rebounded in a big way in Week 2. The line here has much more to do with everyone HATING the Broncos than people loving the Titans. The rationale is that the Broncos can't stop ANYONE, so how is CJ2K not gonna go off? And if they take him away (which apparently isn't that difficult anymore), Britt won't have a safety over him! -7, it's bulletproof! It's possible that all happens, but things don't always happen the way the media predicts. I think Denver steps up and upsets one of the weirdest 7-point favorites I can remember. Their best player isn't producing, their QB is starting just his 3rd game with a new team, and the defense is mediocre at best. Give me the 7 points and I wouldn't be surprised if Orton wins it late.
Broncos 19, Titans 16

Vikings +3 vs Lions
The division home underdog angle is obviously in play here but a lot of people are still on the Lions. I'm not very confident in this pick because the Vikings passing game has looked abysmal and the Lions look scary good on both sides of the ball. I would not be surprised to see a blowout. Still, I have to take the points because I believe the Lions looked better than they really are the first two weeks because they beat two of the worst teams in the league. The Vikings, on the other hand, haven't been that bad on defense and have a huge personnel advantage with Peterson against the Lions LBs. I also don't think the Lions will be able to run with any effectiveness which is putting an awful lot of pressure on young Stafford in a hostile environment against a team playing for survival at 0-2. I think McNabb turns back the clock and plays well enough to shock everyone's favorite upstart team.
Vikings 30, Lions 28

Panthers -3.5 vs Jaguars
The line screams Jaguars and I expect a lot of sharp bettors to go with Jacksonville plus the points thinking they are taking advantage of people falling in love with Cam Newton. That would be a good strategy if:

A) The expectation of Cam Newton to slow down was based on anything substantial.

B) Blaine Gabbert wasn't starting. I know the Panthers defense is bad, but they can stack the box, cover Marcedes Lewis, and let Gabbert think he's being pressured by the ghost of Martin Rucker all game. He'll get happy feet and heave it up.

Panthers 23, Jaguars 10

3-team teaser: 49ers +12.5, Giants +19, Broncos +17

Raiders +3 vs Jets
The Jets have the Ravens and Patriots following this game so it's possible they look ahead. The also go into a tough environment against a feisty, emotional team looking for revenge. The Jets don't have Mangold and the OL was bad WITH him. Expect the Raiders underrated defense to stuff the run easily and get after the passer. I expect a heavy dose of McFadden but the game will come down to a couple of plays by each QB. I like Sanchez but I see value with the home team and the points.

Ravens -4.5 @ Rams
The entire world is fading the Rams and going in strong on Baltimore which usually raises a red flag for bettors. I don't care. I think the public is right. Baltimore is a very good team and they are angry. The Rams are an undisciplined bunch with inferior talent. Sometimes things do work out the way EVERYONE is predicting (like the favorites going 14-2 straight-up last week - wtf was that!?!).

Seahawks +3.5 vs Cardinals
IF WE LOSE THIS GAME I AM PRE-ORDERING MY LUCK JERSEY ON MONDAY. I will then wear it to the Week 5 matchup in New York versus the Giants. The jersey will get me on TV. So I really wouldn't mind if the Seahawks lose. However, Mike Florio of all people made some good points about this team. No one expected them to win on the road, they'll win maybe one or two games on the road all year. The key for them to be in the NFC Best race is to play strong at home - that's always been Seattle's thing. So far, they lost in SF when they were trailing by just 2 in the 4th Q when Ted Ginn went ******* nuts. And then last week to the East coast against a very pissed off Steelers team for an early 1:00 PM kickoff - probably the toughest spot imaginable in the NFL.

The Seahawks defense has actually been pretty respectable thus far despite starting the corpse of Brandon Browner. The run defense is good when Red Bryant is healthy. Offensively, people want to get on T-Jack and obviously he hasn't been good, but he's not making many mistakes and has 0-separation BMW, slow Zach Miller, Donut-hands Tate, and Doug ******* Baldwin to work with. And NO help from his running game. The OL is ATROCIOUS, but the good thing for them is that the Cards don't have much of a pass rush. Also, Sidney RiceD (new name because the D,Q, or O is always attached to the guy) is back - which can't hurt (well it can hurt his shoulder). I would normally LOVE the Seahawks in this spot with a home opener coming off two road losses (and sharps are definitely taking Seattle) but I have reservations for two reasons:

1) I'm high on these Cardinals. I think they can win 10ish games easily. If I'm right about that, they'll surely be able to take care of the lowly Seahawks. They clearly have a more talented roster and severely outmatch the secondary of Seattle with the Kolb/Fitz tandem.

2) That Seahawks offensive line is historically bad. I mean bad. Zero holes in the running game. No time for the passing game. It's bad. I mean bad. Like really, really bad. Yeah, it's bad.

Still, I'm taking my team. And if I'm wrong, we're one step closer to Luck (and I'll be on TV).

Seahawks 24, Cardinals 20

gpngc
09-24-2011, 11:35 PM
Started this to late. Borat used to run this and always did a great job.

Better late than never I think.

It's also a somewhat selfish move because I can glean important information about teams from the many diehards here to help me with my picks. Most free sites don't offer much football-specific analysis. They focus on stats, trends, line movement, etc. Here, people actually know about their team - tendencies, injuries, how players are performing week-to-week, which I think is much more important than the other stuff.

MetSox17
09-25-2011, 04:31 AM
Using Sportsbook.com:

Panthers -3.5 vs. Jacksonville

Jacksonville has looked pretty bad and with Blaine Gabbert starting for them (who looked terrible at times in the pre-season), this looks like it's gonna be a pretty comfortable win for the Panthers. Ron Rivera should have a fun day just hitting the blitz button relentlessly. Don't expect the kitties to put up much of a fight, and Cam Newton has at least shown he can move the ball on offense for the Panthers.

Ravens -5 @ Rams

I'm expecting a big rebound week for the Ravens here. While Sam Bradford has looked much improved, i think Baltimore is gonna come out hungry after being embarrassed last week. They have the offense to light up the thin Rams defense, and i expect them to come out playing fast and hitting hard. I like them to win by more than a touchdown.

Pittsburgh -10.5 @ Colts

Colts are pathetic and can barely move the ball on offense without their leader. I fully expect the Steelers to stomp them handily.

Atlanta +1.5 @ Bucs

I like Atlanta to win this game, i just feel they have a much better offense and will be able to outscore Tampa.

Iamcanadian
09-25-2011, 09:56 AM
gpngc's Week 3 plays

49ers +3.5 @ Bengals
Last week, Cincy played the Broncos tough on the road with breakout performances by Andy Dalton and A.J. Green. So far, the team once thought of as a potential Andrew Luck sweepstakes winner is playing pretty well. They can run it a little and play solid defense, but last week they were able to move the ball because of another awful performance by the Broncos' lackluster defensive unit. I expect Andy Dalton to look like a rookie against an underrated 49ers defense. The Niners will take away A.J. Green and take advantage of Patrick Willis' matchups with Benson and Dalton. After an emotional loss at home to Dallas, the 49ers are desperate for a win, and need their OC to let the QB finally throw the ball around a little. They'll make enough plays in the passing game to win the East coast 1:00 contest (always rough) fairly easily.
49ers 24, Bengals 12

49ers but it's a tough choice.


Texans +4 @ Saints
A lot of people are backing the Saints because of how good they looked demolishing the Bears at home last week.

1) The Saints are consistently inconsistent. Last year they'd look like Champions one week and then **** the bed at home against the Browns. Drew Brees is on another level right now, but I think he'll take a step back down to earth in this one.

2) People don't respect the Texans yet. And they shouldn't. The general consensus is "show us you're for real by winning a big game on the road." And it makes total sense. The thing is, you aren't getting +4 anywhere with this quad when they are 9-0 in November. I'm hopping on the train now. The defense MAY BE THE BEST UNIT IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. It's possible. And the Saints D is susceptible to getting lit up. The Bears just couldn't block their pass rushers. The Texans, however, boast one of the best OLs in the league (and a much better running game for support for Schaub). In a matchup of two teams that I expect to make a run at the Super Bowl, I'm going with the Texans to get their first signature win as a franchise.
Texans 27, Saints 24

Saints easily.

Dolphins +1 @ Browns
My favorite sleeper is 0-2 after two straight unbelievably bad defensive performances. The defense HAS to play better although missing Vontae Davis is a big blow. I'm not sold on the Browns and simply don't think they are better than Miami in any phase of the game. The Dolphins also have their backs against the wall and NEED a win. This will either be a statement win, or a clear sign that the team has given up on their head coach. I think Henne, Bush, Thomas, and Marshall sustain drives, Dan Carpenter has a busy day, and the Phins score a defensive TD en route to an easy victory.
Dolphins 38, Browns 17

Browns at home.

Broncos +7 @ Titans
All of the sudden Matt Hasselbeck is getting respect from the oddsmakers like it's '05 again! Hasselbeck was pretty bad in Week 1, but rebounded in a big way in Week 2. The line here has much more to do with everyone HATING the Broncos than people loving the Titans. The rationale is that the Broncos can't stop ANYONE, so how is CJ2K not gonna go off? And if they take him away (which apparently isn't that difficult anymore), Britt won't have a safety over him! -7, it's bulletproof! It's possible that all happens, but things don't always happen the way the media predicts. I think Denver steps up and upsets one of the weirdest 7-point favorites I can remember. Their best player isn't producing, their QB is starting just his 3rd game with a new team, and the defense is mediocre at best. Give me the 7 points and I wouldn't be surprised if Orton wins it late.
Broncos 19, Titans 16

Broncos to cover.

Vikings +3 vs Lions
The division home underdog angle is obviously in play here but a lot of people are still on the Lions. I'm not very confident in this pick because the Vikings passing game has looked abysmal and the Lions look scary good on both sides of the ball. I would not be surprised to see a blowout. Still, I have to take the points because I believe the Lions looked better than they really are the first two weeks because they beat two of the worst teams in the league. The Vikings, on the other hand, haven't been that bad on defense and have a huge personnel advantage with Peterson against the Lions LBs. I also don't think the Lions will be able to run with any effectiveness which is putting an awful lot of pressure on young Stafford in a hostile environment against a team playing for survival at 0-2. I think McNabb turns back the clock and plays well enough to shock everyone's favorite upstart team.
Vikings 30, Lions 28

The Lions are doing away their demons and haven't beaten the Vikings in Minnesota for years upon years, so I think they easily beat Minny.


Panthers -3.5 vs Jaguars
The line screams Jaguars and I expect a lot of sharp bettors to go with Jacksonville plus the points thinking they are taking advantage of people falling in love with Cam Newton. That would be a good strategy if:

A) The expectation of Cam Newton to slow down was based on anything substantial.

B) Blaine Gabbert wasn't starting. I know the Panthers defense is bad, but they can stack the box, cover Marcedes Lewis, and let Gabbert think he's being pressured by the ghost of Martin Rucker all game. He'll get happy feet and heave it up.

Panthers 23, Jaguars 10

3.5 is too much. I take the Jaguars to cover.

3-team teaser: 49ers +12.5, Giants +19, Broncos +17

Raiders +3 vs Jets
The Jets have the Ravens and Patriots following this game so it's possible they look ahead. The also go into a tough environment against a feisty, emotional team looking for revenge. The Jets don't have Mangold and the OL was bad WITH him. Expect the Raiders underrated defense to stuff the run easily and get after the passer. I expect a heavy dose of McFadden but the game will come down to a couple of plays by each QB. I like Sanchez but I see value with the home team and the points.

I'll go with the Jets till Jackson proves he can coach.

Ravens -4.5 @ Rams
The entire world is fading the Rams and going in strong on Baltimore which usually raises a red flag for bettors. I don't care. I think the public is right. Baltimore is a very good team and they are angry. The Rams are an undisciplined bunch with inferior talent. Sometimes things do work out the way EVERYONE is predicting (like the favorites going 14-2 straight-up last week - wtf was that!?!).


Rams without Jackson have no chance. Baltimore.

Seahawks +3.5 vs Cardinals
IF WE LOSE THIS GAME I AM PRE-ORDERING MY LUCK JERSEY ON MONDAY. I will then wear it to the Week 5 matchup in New York versus the Giants. The jersey will get me on TV. So I really wouldn't mind if the Seahawks lose. However, Mike Florio of all people made some good points about this team. No one expected them to win on the road, they'll win maybe one or two games on the road all year. The key for them to be in the NFC Best race is to play strong at home - that's always been Seattle's thing. So far, they lost in SF when they were trailing by just 2 in the 4th Q when Ted Ginn went ******* nuts. And then last week to the East coast against a very pissed off Steelers team for an early 1:00 PM kickoff - probably the toughest spot imaginable in the NFL.

The Seahawks defense has actually been pretty respectable thus far despite starting the corpse of Brandon Browner. The run defense is good when Red Bryant is healthy. Offensively, people want to get on T-Jack and obviously he hasn't been good, but he's not making many mistakes and has 0-separation BMW, slow Zach Miller, Donut-hands Tate, and Doug ******* Baldwin to work with. And NO help from his running game. The OL is ATROCIOUS, but the good thing for them is that the Cards don't have much of a pass rush. Also, Sidney RiceD (new name because the D,Q, or O is always attached to the guy) is back - which can't hurt (well it can hurt his shoulder). I would normally LOVE the Seahawks in this spot with a home opener coming off two road losses (and sharps are definitely taking Seattle) but I have reservations for two reasons:

1) I'm high on these Cardinals. I think they can win 10ish games easily. If I'm right about that, they'll surely be able to take care of the lowly Seahawks. They clearly have a more talented roster and severely outmatch the secondary of Seattle with the Kolb/Fitz tandem.

2) That Seahawks offensive line is historically bad. I mean bad. Zero holes in the running game. No time for the passing game. It's bad. I mean bad. Like really, really bad. Yeah, it's bad.

Still, I'm taking my team. And if I'm wrong, we're one step closer to Luck (and I'll be on TV).

Seahawks 24, Cardinals 20

Another tough one but I'll take the Cardinals.

MetSox17
09-25-2011, 07:38 PM
gpngc's Week 3 plays

49ers +3.5 @ Bengals
Last week, Cincy played the Broncos tough on the road with breakout performances by Andy Dalton and A.J. Green. So far, the team once thought of as a potential Andrew Luck sweepstakes winner is playing pretty well. They can run it a little and play solid defense, but last week they were able to move the ball because of another awful performance by the Broncos' lackluster defensive unit. I expect Andy Dalton to look like a rookie against an underrated 49ers defense. The Niners will take away A.J. Green and take advantage of Patrick Willis' matchups with Benson and Dalton. After an emotional loss at home to Dallas, the 49ers are desperate for a win, and need their OC to let the QB finally throw the ball around a little. They'll make enough plays in the passing game to win the East coast 1:00 contest (always rough) fairly easily.
49ers 24, Bengals 12

Texans +4 @ Saints
A lot of people are backing the Saints because of how good they looked demolishing the Bears at home last week.

1) The Saints are consistently inconsistent. Last year they'd look like Champions one week and then **** the bed at home against the Browns. Drew Brees is on another level right now, but I think he'll take a step back down to earth in this one.

2) People don't respect the Texans yet. And they shouldn't. The general consensus is "show us you're for real by winning a big game on the road." And it makes total sense. The thing is, you aren't getting +4 anywhere with this quad when they are 9-0 in November. I'm hopping on the train now. The defense MAY BE THE BEST UNIT IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. It's possible. And the Saints D is susceptible to getting lit up. The Bears just couldn't block their pass rushers. The Texans, however, boast one of the best OLs in the league (and a much better running game for support for Schaub). In a matchup of two teams that I expect to make a run at the Super Bowl, I'm going with the Texans to get their first signature win as a franchise.
Texans 27, Saints 24

Dolphins +1 @ Browns
My favorite sleeper is 0-2 after two straight unbelievably bad defensive performances. The defense HAS to play better although missing Vontae Davis is a big blow. I'm not sold on the Browns and simply don't think they are better than Miami in any phase of the game. The Dolphins also have their backs against the wall and NEED a win. This will either be a statement win, or a clear sign that the team has given up on their head coach. I think Henne, Bush, Thomas, and Marshall sustain drives, Dan Carpenter has a busy day, and the Phins score a defensive TD en route to an easy victory.
Dolphins 38, Browns 17

Broncos +7 @ Titans
All of the sudden Matt Hasselbeck is getting respect from the oddsmakers like it's '05 again! Hasselbeck was pretty bad in Week 1, but rebounded in a big way in Week 2. The line here has much more to do with everyone HATING the Broncos than people loving the Titans. The rationale is that the Broncos can't stop ANYONE, so how is CJ2K not gonna go off? And if they take him away (which apparently isn't that difficult anymore), Britt won't have a safety over him! -7, it's bulletproof! It's possible that all happens, but things don't always happen the way the media predicts. I think Denver steps up and upsets one of the weirdest 7-point favorites I can remember. Their best player isn't producing, their QB is starting just his 3rd game with a new team, and the defense is mediocre at best. Give me the 7 points and I wouldn't be surprised if Orton wins it late.
Broncos 19, Titans 16

Vikings +3 vs Lions
The division home underdog angle is obviously in play here but a lot of people are still on the Lions. I'm not very confident in this pick because the Vikings passing game has looked abysmal and the Lions look scary good on both sides of the ball. I would not be surprised to see a blowout. Still, I have to take the points because I believe the Lions looked better than they really are the first two weeks because they beat two of the worst teams in the league. The Vikings, on the other hand, haven't been that bad on defense and have a huge personnel advantage with Peterson against the Lions LBs. I also don't think the Lions will be able to run with any effectiveness which is putting an awful lot of pressure on young Stafford in a hostile environment against a team playing for survival at 0-2. I think McNabb turns back the clock and plays well enough to shock everyone's favorite upstart team.
Vikings 30, Lions 28

Panthers -3.5 vs Jaguars
The line screams Jaguars and I expect a lot of sharp bettors to go with Jacksonville plus the points thinking they are taking advantage of people falling in love with Cam Newton. That would be a good strategy if:

A) The expectation of Cam Newton to slow down was based on anything substantial.

B) Blaine Gabbert wasn't starting. I know the Panthers defense is bad, but they can stack the box, cover Marcedes Lewis, and let Gabbert think he's being pressured by the ghost of Martin Rucker all game. He'll get happy feet and heave it up.

Panthers 23, Jaguars 10

3-team teaser: 49ers +12.5, Giants +19, Broncos +17

Raiders +3 vs Jets
The Jets have the Ravens and Patriots following this game so it's possible they look ahead. The also go into a tough environment against a feisty, emotional team looking for revenge. The Jets don't have Mangold and the OL was bad WITH him. Expect the Raiders underrated defense to stuff the run easily and get after the passer. I expect a heavy dose of McFadden but the game will come down to a couple of plays by each QB. I like Sanchez but I see value with the home team and the points.

Ravens -4.5 @ Rams
The entire world is fading the Rams and going in strong on Baltimore which usually raises a red flag for bettors. I don't care. I think the public is right. Baltimore is a very good team and they are angry. The Rams are an undisciplined bunch with inferior talent. Sometimes things do work out the way EVERYONE is predicting (like the favorites going 14-2 straight-up last week - wtf was that!?!).

Seahawks +3.5 vs Cardinals
IF WE LOSE THIS GAME I AM PRE-ORDERING MY LUCK JERSEY ON MONDAY. I will then wear it to the Week 5 matchup in New York versus the Giants. The jersey will get me on TV. So I really wouldn't mind if the Seahawks lose. However, Mike Florio of all people made some good points about this team. No one expected them to win on the road, they'll win maybe one or two games on the road all year. The key for them to be in the NFC Best race is to play strong at home - that's always been Seattle's thing. So far, they lost in SF when they were trailing by just 2 in the 4th Q when Ted Ginn went ******* nuts. And then last week to the East coast against a very pissed off Steelers team for an early 1:00 PM kickoff - probably the toughest spot imaginable in the NFL.

The Seahawks defense has actually been pretty respectable thus far despite starting the corpse of Brandon Browner. The run defense is good when Red Bryant is healthy. Offensively, people want to get on T-Jack and obviously he hasn't been good, but he's not making many mistakes and has 0-separation BMW, slow Zach Miller, Donut-hands Tate, and Doug ******* Baldwin to work with. And NO help from his running game. The OL is ATROCIOUS, but the good thing for them is that the Cards don't have much of a pass rush. Also, Sidney RiceD (new name because the D,Q, or O is always attached to the guy) is back - which can't hurt (well it can hurt his shoulder). I would normally LOVE the Seahawks in this spot with a home opener coming off two road losses (and sharps are definitely taking Seattle) but I have reservations for two reasons:

1) I'm high on these Cardinals. I think they can win 10ish games easily. If I'm right about that, they'll surely be able to take care of the lowly Seahawks. They clearly have a more talented roster and severely outmatch the secondary of Seattle with the Kolb/Fitz tandem.

2) That Seahawks offensive line is historically bad. I mean bad. Zero holes in the running game. No time for the passing game. It's bad. I mean bad. Like really, really bad. Yeah, it's bad.

Still, I'm taking my team. And if I'm wrong, we're one step closer to Luck (and I'll be on TV).

Seahawks 24, Cardinals 20

Good job gpnc, hope you actually bet those games. 5-1-2. Pretty damn good weekend if you ask me.

I'm 2-1, would have been 3-1 if i pulled the trigger on the Chiefs like i wanted to. I really felt they were gonna keep it competitive versus the Chargers. Now i just need to have the Steelers cover for me and i'd be good.

gpngc
09-26-2011, 07:32 AM
I was actually 7-1-2, +$590.