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Borat
09-29-2011, 12:13 AM
Week 4:
Sunday, October 2, 2011

http://libertybellsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/eagles-niners.jpg

San Francisco 49ers (2-1)
at
Philadelphia Eagles (1-2)

Location: "The Link" - Lincoln Financial Field
http://betsysbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/lincoln-financial-field-main11.jpg

Time: 10:00 am pst

Thank God this game isn't later in the year, you know, like, when there is snow around:

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At some point we're going to need this guy to do this:

http://img.breitbart.com/images/2010/10/10/ap-p/28d568d4-6fb3-4eb4-8029-2d2021e44670.jpg

Since it worked last week, I'll just say we need to see more of this:

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How about these guys play better dammit!

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Let me throw it more than 5 yards downfield coach!

http://images.picturesdepot.com/photo/s/san_francisco_49ers_alex_smith-14656.jpg

Guess we're still going to see this guy:

http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2011/08/michael-vick-signs-six-year-100-million-contract-with-eagles.jpg

Although that non-throwing hand may have a boo-boo.

And as usual, this guy will make us pay for not drafting him:

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/10/18/sports/photos_stories/cropped/jackson--300x300.jpg

But, at least, this clown won't be playing for either team:

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Standings: It's first place vs. last place! FYI, Niners are the team in first. West coast dream team eh.

NFC West
1. San Francisco 49ers (2-1)
2. Arizona Cardinals (1-2)
2. Seattle Seahawks (1-2)
4. St. Louis Rams (0-3)

NFC East
1. Dallas Cowboys (2-1)
1. New York Giants (2-1)
1. Washington Redskins (2-1)
4. Philadelphia Eagles (1-2)


Special Note: No dogs were harmed during the writing of this post.

Madirishman
09-29-2011, 01:02 AM
This is the best one yet Borat! Cheers to you and your new house (again)!

Good test for this team on the road. The D needs to have a signature game this week and make a statement.

Hope Harbaugh opens the playbook a little more and they get to chuck it downfield. Then, if that happens, I hope that the O-Line gives Alex enough time. Then, I hope Alex gets the ball out quickly with an accurate throw.
A lot of hoping here.

YAYareaRB
09-29-2011, 01:33 AM
really wanna see fangio let the D loose on vick. try to jar him a little.

Ness
09-29-2011, 01:37 AM
Beating the Eagles would be redemption for not beating Dallas. I hate Philadelphia. We haven't beat in them in eight years. I honestly wish McNabb was playing because we could never defeat him. I will say that I am worried that DeSean Jackson will burn us good. I can easily see Vick rebounding in this game and Philadelphia starting to roll.

binary
09-29-2011, 03:30 AM
let's hope the team bonding/building crap works for the Oline, they are gonna be the key.

Rabscuttle
09-29-2011, 03:59 PM
Don't use the same training table as the disease carrying fast criminal, always travel in groups, and don't look at the women.

and maybe avoid the Eagle beat reporters too. seems they are sensitive about calling each other hacks and are punching each other out or some nonsense. why is it unethical to sterilize a city?

YAYareaRB
09-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Don't use the same training table as the disease carrying fast criminal, always travel in groups, and don't look at the women.

and maybe avoid the Eagle beat reporters too. seems they are sensitive about calling each other hacks and are punching each other out or some nonsense. why is it unethical to sterilize a city?

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/funny-gifs-wtf.gif

Madirishman
09-30-2011, 12:28 AM
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/funny-gifs-wtf.gif

I got nothin. LOL

Brent
10-01-2011, 08:01 AM
And as usual, this guy will make us pay for not drafting him
goddamn Mike Nolan

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 11:30 AM
This is a pivotal game if the Niners are serious about winning the division this year. They pull the upset and are 3-1, with some room for error in upcoming games against TB and @DET. They lose, they're 2-2 and could be tied with the Cards or Seachickens by end of day. Both those teams should lose today with touch matchups, BUT they are both at home. Interesting to see what happens and if anybody makes a statement today about their desire to win the division.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 11:38 AM
Snyder starting at RG instead of Chilo.

No brainer.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:06 PM
Bowman just lit up McCoy. 3 and out on first drive, thanks to a DeSean Jackson drop.

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:11 PM
Walker fumbles against the Eagles again.

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:14 PM
Hunter smoking the Eagles defense. Yes.

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:15 PM
And now Gore!

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:18 PM
Of course the 49ers find a way to screw things up even with things are going their way.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2011, 12:22 PM
rogers pick!! hello!!!

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:26 PM
Akers missed a FG but he'll hit the game winner. It didn't help the Eagles illegally used Brian Jennings as a stepping stone to try and block the kick.

Rogers with the INT, running step by step with DJax. Going to be a great battle today.

Niners need points off this turnover.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 12:27 PM
Carlos "Sure Hands" Rogers. Isn't this the guy the guy that can't catch a cold?

CK?

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:28 PM
Kaepernick in the game on 3rd and long.....

No play. Time out. Buzz kill.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:29 PM
Carlos "Sure Hands" Rogers. Isn't this the guy the guy that can't catch a cold?

It wasn't clean. He battled for it though, and after tipping it off his chest, reached out and grabbed it. Liking how he competed for the ball.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2011, 12:36 PM
mike vick just put his dick in our defenses ear and blew his load

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:36 PM
When Brooks missed that sack I knew Vick was going to throw a touchdown pass.

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:37 PM
If you want to turn your season around, come play the 49ers. They suck.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:39 PM
These ****ing NFL rules on the QB and Vick (who gets more calls than any QB) bitching all week make players (like Brooks) afraid to hit the QB. Vick's a$$ should have been on the ground.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:40 PM
Michael Crabtree sighting.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:42 PM
Staley down..... Alex Boone sighting soon?

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 12:43 PM
Too bad Brooks didn't stomp that lineman's hand instead of getting tripped. Then punch the umpire in the face.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:44 PM
Alex Boone sighting soon?

For one play. Staley back in.

Crabtree with nice high catch, flashing his big, non-Alex-Smith-sized, hands.

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:48 PM
Smith had to get rid of that ball on third down.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 12:49 PM
They can't trade TDs for FGs all day, especially on the road, and expect to win. At least they've moved the ball through the air, with passes to VD and Crabs.

Ness
10-02-2011, 12:52 PM
Jackson burns the 49ers. This is why you need to have an offense. In case you get into these kind of shootouts. Eagles are going to blow this one out of the water with a flurry of points. I'm honestly about to call this one over. You can't "Bill Parcells" your way to a win every week these days. You need a great offense. Especially if you want to make a deep playoff run and especially if you want a Super Bowl ring.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 01:01 PM
Justin Smith got a piece of Vick's good hand.

Ness
10-02-2011, 01:06 PM
Have the 49ers thrown down the field on a fly pattern this season? Geez.

Ness
10-02-2011, 01:08 PM
Vick smoked Willis' ass.

Ness
10-02-2011, 01:15 PM
So tired of this ****. Quarterback can't throw. Receivers can't catch. The Eagles could give us 8 turnovers and the 49ers would still lose the game.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 01:17 PM
Ronnie Brown makes an idiotic play, taking points off the board for the Eagles and keeping the Niners in this one.

The Niners respond by going 3 and out. Another dropped pass. This one wasn't thrown behind the receiver from Alex.

They've been playing Nnamdi on VD all day.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 01:19 PM
Bowman seems to be playing better than Willis. I'm not going to jump to conclusions as there is still a huge gap between the two, but he is really flying around. Great to see.

Borat
10-02-2011, 01:31 PM
Anthony Davis is ******* horrid.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 01:34 PM
Am I a masochist that I keep watching this ****? Why do I put myself through this? Is it just to avoid developing my basement.

Boone needs to play. At least someone would know they were in a fight lining up against him.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2011, 01:34 PM
i think wisconsins o line is better than ours

Ness
10-02-2011, 01:36 PM
Well this one is over. The 49ers can't score 17 points. It's an insurmountable task.

Ness
10-02-2011, 01:38 PM
I hate Jim Mora, but he's right. If you are going to go hurry up, then go hurry up.

I like how he clown Harbaugh.

"This might work in college, but this is the NFL".

When Jim Mora is capping on you, it's really bad.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 01:40 PM
Limit Philly to field goals in the second half so I can get Henery's points. That's about all I am hoping for at this point.

Brent
10-02-2011, 01:51 PM
Why am I subjecting myself to this ****?

Borat
10-02-2011, 01:53 PM
I want Harbaugh to be the savior just like everyone else, but it's getting difficult due to so many times where I end up feeling like he doesm't know what he's doing.

Also, super run-on sentences ftw.

Brent
10-02-2011, 01:55 PM
The way this season has gone, I should just be a Raiders fan.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 01:55 PM
Grammar be damned Faithful angry now!

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 01:56 PM
I hate Jim Mora, but he's right. If you are going to go hurry up, then go hurry up.

I like how he clown Harbaugh.

"This might work in college, but this is the NFL".

When Jim Mora is capping on you, it's really bad.

He raised some good points, including questioning why you would run plays at the end of the half that give you pretty much no chance to score, leaving players on the field to possibly get injured. All risk. No reward.

Brent
10-02-2011, 02:00 PM
Annnnnnnnnnnnd that'll do it.

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:00 PM
God I am so tired of Alex Smith. So tired of him.

hawkeye123
10-02-2011, 02:02 PM
Chilo Rachel lol

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:03 PM
Well I'm done. I might not watch another game this season. This team is simply a bunch of losers. Until we have another quarterback and better offensive line, I'll never have faith in this team.

I shouldn't be surprised though. The 49ers weren't going to beat the Eagles. I'm tuning into Houston/Steelers to watch a real offense.

Brent
10-02-2011, 02:04 PM
God I am so tired of Alex Smith. So tired of him.

Why are there any routes being run that are short of the first down?

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 02:04 PM
Liking what I see from Aldon Smith. Going out to mow my lawn for the last time this year.

hawkeye123
10-02-2011, 02:05 PM
Aldon Smith is lookin pretty beastly

Borat
10-02-2011, 02:06 PM
Well I'm done. I might not watch another game this season. This team is simply a bunch of losers. Until we have another quarterback and better offensive line, I'll never have faith in this team.

I shouldn't be surprised though. The 49ers weren't going to beat the Eagles. I'm tuning into Houston/Steelers to watch a real offense.

So, umm, you want to come back when we get good?

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:07 PM
Why are there any routes being run that are short of the first down?

On that last third down it was just vintage Alex Smith, throwing short of the marker.

If you are going to throw short of the third down marker MAKE SURE THE RECEIVER HAS ROOM TO RUN FOR THE FIRST. Don't just throw it to complete a pass and pad your ******* stats you stupid moron.

But it's okay, as long as Smith is completing most of his passes and not turning the ball over some people will accept that. Folks have forgotten what it's like to have a playmaker at QB and will settle for less in San Francisco.

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:09 PM
So, umm, you want to come back when we get good?

Sorry Borat, but I've had enough. From this point I'm not going to follow the team that closely, let alone looking towards a win. I mean if they win great, but I'm not really going to be that optimistic. I won't root for any other team, I just won't be that excited about the 49ers chances year in and year until they get another quarterback, better offensive line, and common sense playcalling.

Borat
10-02-2011, 02:13 PM
Zomg! Zomg! Zomg! Zomg! Zomg! A Slant!

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 02:15 PM
Glad I procrastinated on the lawn.

The short third down pass wasn't on Alex. Blame him for his fumble sure, blame him for his multitude of other mistakes no problem, but come on.

Making a d pay for a blitz is very much needed.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 02:17 PM
Zomg! Zomg! Zomg! Zomg! Zomg! A Slant!

I know!!! Morgan is strong enough that there should be no fear of him running more of those. I'd like to see Williams run some of those with his quicks too. He could commit to getting inside position.

Crabtree competing on a couple of plays today....

Opening things up finally. Hope Harbaugh learns from this.

Brent
10-02-2011, 02:25 PM
Where was this playcalling before? WHAT IS GOING ON?

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:25 PM
Where was this playcalling before? WHAT IS GOING ON?

I think Jim heard me. And so did Alex.

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:27 PM
Damn, there goes the end of the glitch on NFL.com. I was getting a free broadcast.

Brent
10-02-2011, 02:30 PM
How is Jackson getting off the line clean?

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:31 PM
And the 49ers **** up again.

Brent
10-02-2011, 02:34 PM
And the 49ers **** up again.
if we can't match that speed, he has to have his timing ****** up

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:47 PM
How did Anthony Davis get rated as a 1st round prospect? That guy sucks doo doo.

Ness
10-02-2011, 02:57 PM
Vick having a career-high game. Not surprising.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 02:59 PM
How did Anthony Davis get rated as a 1st round prospect? That guy sucks doo doo.

Not sure what his deal is. He has the size, strength, arm length and foot speed to do the job and yet he's completely mismatched out there. It's like his brain doesn't get the message to his body at the right time.

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:01 PM
Not sure what his deal is. He has the size, strength, arm length and foot speed to do the job and yet he's completely mismatched out there. It's like his brain doesn't get the message to his body at the right time.

I fear he is Kwame Harris 2.0

Ness
10-02-2011, 03:03 PM
Championship moment right here for the 49ers offense. This is what defines you. No excuses. Get it done or don't.

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:09 PM
Championship moment right here for the 49ers offense. This is what defines you. No excuses. Get it done or don't.

They got it done. Now it's time for the defense to get it done or don't.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2011, 03:09 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt

Brent
10-02-2011, 03:10 PM
Frank The Tank.

Also, I anticipate the defense blows the next possession and offense can't score to win with a minute left or so.

Ness
10-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Wouldn't it be fitting for that stupid rookie kicker to make a 50 yard field goal against the 49ers?

Ness
10-02-2011, 03:14 PM
Or I could see Jackson burning the 49ers for a TD.

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 03:20 PM
Justin Smith with a HUUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE hustle play, getting the fumble from behind on Maclin. What an amazing play for a 3/4 DE. He is the most underrated DE in the league by far. So consistent.

Niners have the lead and the ball with 2:00 left. Can they step on the Eagles throat?

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:20 PM
Or Maclin could fumble.

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:23 PM
Come on. Please hold the lead. I want a win IN Philly so damn badly.

Brent
10-02-2011, 03:27 PM
I am soooooooo pumped.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 03:27 PM
I've said it before, Only Ngata is a better 3-4 end than Smith. Nobody that size hustles game in game out like he does either.

Did not expect the W, did you guys see that stat? First back to back road wins since '06... Under Walsh we had at least one season where we were 8-0 on the road.

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:27 PM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss s!

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:30 PM
**** you Philly. Go play with your snowballs.

hawkeye123
10-02-2011, 03:30 PM
Feels awesome to finally get a win vs a legit team and not a moral win.

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:33 PM
We should be 4-0 :(

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:33 PM
Ness, you want me to delete your post from earlier lol

Ness
10-02-2011, 03:35 PM
Ness, you want me to delete your post from earlier lol

Funny when I said that, they got back on track. I should go off every week. I think they got the message. It's about time we saw this kind of performance. It's been way too long.

Borat
10-02-2011, 03:41 PM
Funny when I said that, they got back on track. I should go off every week. I think they got the message. It's about time we saw this kind of performance. It's been way too long.

I was thinking the same exact thing. The game changed about 30 seconds after you wrote that.

Edit: I feel your frustration though. We just gotta keep putting up with the crap and wait for the good times to come back to us.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
10-02-2011, 03:42 PM
Feels awesome to finally get a win vs a legit team and not a moral win.

That sums it up. I spent the last 3 minutes of the game talking myself into another moral victory/crushing loss. I can't wait for 49ers.com to post Jim Harbaugh's post game locker room speech. Loved that SF forced 3 turnovers.

Brent
10-02-2011, 03:42 PM
It was a complete 180 in playcalling

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 03:48 PM
It was a complete 180 in playcalling

Exactly. When given opportunity the offense has had halves like this, but it is always because they are backed into letting Alex win it that this happens. Playing not to lose just puts mileage on Frank and frown lines on our faces. If they really want to see if Alex has it or not they have to take the governor off and let him prove it or disprove it. This not knowing is just wasting time.

And bench Davis for a game. Reward Boone for working his ass off and let Davis have a different vantage point for the next game.

Ness
10-02-2011, 03:54 PM
That sums it up. I spent the last 3 minutes of the game talking myself into another moral victory/crushing loss. I can't wait for 49ers.com to post Jim Harbaugh's post game locker room speech. Loved that SF forced 3 turnovers.

You should never talk yourself into accepting a moral victory or loss.

Ness
10-02-2011, 03:58 PM
We have the Buccaneers next. I hope we get pressure on Josh Freeman. I think we'll bottle up Blount. That guy is strictly a north/south runner like Benson. Bowman has been a megastar this season. Our secondary has to play better though. We're giving up way too many pass yards.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
10-02-2011, 03:58 PM
You should never talk yourself into accepting a moral victory or loss.

When you have been a 49ers and (I'll throw in) Golden State Warriors fan for so long it becomes a bad habit.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 03:58 PM
You should never talk yourself into accepting a moral victory or loss.

or quitting on Alex?

KHunter32
10-02-2011, 04:01 PM
It was a complete 180 in playcalling

This is the offense I've been waiting for.

VAfy-ya
10-02-2011, 04:01 PM
LOL@all those saying Gore was done. All Gore needed was a few rushing lanes and the playbook to be opened up a little. Over 8 yards a carry.....and on a bum ankle no less

Madirishman
10-02-2011, 04:05 PM
Hopefully, this gives Harbaugh more confidence to dig deeper into his playbook. They don't need to be super aggressive with Alex; just more aggressive at times, picking their spots and being much less predictable, opening up the run game.

They're 3-1 but they've squeaked out wins. On the right track but still a lot to prove.

binary
10-02-2011, 04:30 PM
I've never seen Alex play as good as he did in the 2nd half, he simply caught fire at the right time. The question is, was it just a singular instance and did the stars just align? After that first half, I was ready to give up on him.

VAfy-ya
10-02-2011, 05:37 PM
Gotta give props to Aldon too. Got some some looks at OLB as well as his usually role in the nickel package and finished with 1.5 sacks and a tackle for a loss. Guy was a top 10 pick, he needs to see the field more. Hope Fangio agrees.

Ness
10-02-2011, 05:47 PM
or quitting on Alex?

Uh please. It was one game, or half I should say out of seven damn years. I was and am still justified in not having faith in him. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut. If Alex produces at that level most of the time for the next three years then I would cut it out. But Alex has a long way to go. A long ass way.

Ness
10-02-2011, 05:49 PM
Hopefully, this gives Harbaugh more confidence to dig deeper into his playbook. They don't need to be super aggressive with Alex; just more aggressive at times, picking their spots and being much less predictable, opening up the run game.

They're 3-1 but they've squeaked out wins. On the right track but still a lot to prove.

Yeah I'll take it, but they still need to have that dominant blowout game against a team. Playing like this you MIGHT get a wildcard game.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 06:00 PM
Uh please. It was one game, or half I should say out of seven damn years. I was and am still justified in not having faith in him. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut. If Alex produces at that level most of the time for the next three years then I would cut it out. But Alex has a long way to go. A long ass way.

That's more like it.

As soon as he has another bad game or isn't heroic even and the team loses, today will have never happened in your eyes. We get it.

49erNation85
10-02-2011, 06:03 PM
How in the hell did we beat the eagles guys?I wish I had today off to watch.Looks like our offense finally got in timing for some good scoring.

Ness
10-02-2011, 06:04 PM
That's more like it.

As soon as he has another bad game or isn't heroic even and the team loses, today will have never happened in your eyes. We get it.

What, you expect me to always say "But, but the Eagle game!!!" He had a good game today, but it's OVER. Time to do what you did to the Eagles to the Bucs. That is what a franchise quarterback does. And they do it for more than one season. Even Scott Mitchell has had one great year. They don't just have one game and be lax about it the rest of the way. Smith is under the microscope for having been doo doo for seven years.

It's about time he did something around here. I've been patient enough. I'm not gonna lick his balls because he had one good game against a good team. It only took him seven years. Give me a break. My standards are way higher sorry.

binary
10-02-2011, 06:08 PM
How in the hell did we beat the eagles guys?I wish I had today off to watch.Looks like our offense finally got in timing for some good scoring.

Defensive front 7 kept Philly to field goals and made key plays, and Alex went Super Saiyan in the second half.

49erNation85
10-02-2011, 06:15 PM
I guess that will so us how we do it ha!I'm glad we got the win.I'm so tired of loosing .

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Now that we have established a qb rating of 112 is the only thing that will keep the hangman away on a weekly basis...

Giants need to comeback and Falcons need to hold to give us a two game lead and thinks aren't looking great in the desert.

61 yarder up and wide in seattle

Ness
10-02-2011, 06:21 PM
Now that we have established a qb rating of 112 is the only thing that will keep the hangman away on a weekly basis...


Yup, keep missing the point.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 06:31 PM
Yup, keep missing the point.

Not at all. I think people that don't read the board get your point. The deaf and blind get your point.

and Giants come back for the Niners' two game lead. Angry about that?

Ness
10-02-2011, 06:37 PM
Not at all. I think people that don't read the board get your point. The deaf and blind get your point.

Tell me, what is my point then if you believe you have it figured out?

and Giants come back for the Niners' two game lead. Angry about that?

Why would I be angry about that? That's irrelevant to what I was talking about.

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 06:45 PM
Anyhow, more progress from Aldon Smith today. Another nice catch out of the backfield by Miller. Hunter mixed in nicely with Gore and added some speed out of the backfield.

Defence didn't break while they waited for the offence to showup. Most of the o-line had a good day compared to the previous outings this year. Fewer penalties. Finishing Vick when they had him dead to rights would have made a huge difference in what our secondary looked like. Those are hard receivers to stay with for extended plays.

Got the ball back to close the game out with three timeouts on the board. Remember constantly burning those to get the plays in?

And Crabtree competed on a few balls where he was going to get hit and came down with the ball. To me this is something huge for Alex to build a relationship with him. I really hope this is a sign of things to come, perhaps some timing where they Alex gets more precise and hits Crabtree in stride...

Goon61
10-02-2011, 07:45 PM
I am so pumped!
I think the niners won because of Philadelphia's bad run defense and our big O line. Philly is such an overrated team, but this is the biggest win for the niners I've seen for a while.

Right now the niners look like they will win the division easily

Rabscuttle
10-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Lot's of work to do before they get the division. O-line really needs to come together. Too hard to prevent turnovers, control games and run an offense with such an inconsistant line.

The fumble Alex had was bad, but there were some plays he did make that he kept huge losses or turnovers from happening by escaping guys that came through unchallenged. The play where Babin horse-collared him and he still got the ball out of bounds was one of the best plays he made all day.

binary
10-02-2011, 08:45 PM
The improvement of Alex is a good sign of things to come whether or not he's the future QB..it looks like we finally have a staff that can coach.

Brent
10-02-2011, 08:46 PM
Someone on CSN made a point that I think is rather interesting, the Niners had to create their own breaks to win. Seems like all the good teams do that, hopefully the Niners will take notice.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2011, 10:03 PM
i dont know if you noticed but dashon goldson is looking like the old ball hawk he'd been two years go. i hope he can stay consistent.

phlysac
10-02-2011, 10:37 PM
He had a good game today, but it's OVER.

Only fair if you let it be over when he has a poor game. NO CHANCE.

Also... quit with the 7 years stuff. He's just begun year 7, which means he's been in the league 6 years... and he didn't play in most of 2 of them because of injury.

Hate him all you want, but doing everything in your power to embellish his faults while basically ignoring the positives, doesn't fly well.

Remember, you're now on record as saying you won't follow the team anymore. Perhaps evaluating with less emotion will help.

Love the passion. ABSOLUTELY love the passion. Just try to balance the anger with the optimism.

Love ya Ness!!!

LET'S GO NINERS!!!

Ness
10-02-2011, 11:38 PM
Only fair if you let it be over when he has a poor game. NO CHANCE.

Also... quit with the 7 years stuff. He's just begun year 7, which means he's been in the league 6 years... and he didn't play in most of 2 of them because of injury.

Hate him all you want, but doing everything in your power to embellish his faults while basically ignoring the positives, doesn't fly well.

Remember, you're now on record as saying you won't follow the team anymore. Perhaps evaluating with less emotion will help.

Love the passion. ABSOLUTELY love the passion. Just try to balance the anger with the optimism.

Love ya Ness!!!

LET'S GO NINERS!!!

Except a quarterback is supposed to play well. That is why people haven't stopped complaining all of these years. Because the person that is playing terrible is still on the roster. This logic goes for any player. If things were in reverse, like Montana having one bad game every once in a while, I wouldn't be as hard as I am on Alex, because most of the time Montana played well, because he's a good quarterback. A bad game every once in a while isn't a big deal.

Alex has been here for seven years. This is his seven years and he should have been a lot farther than he is now years ago. Even if you want to say that he didn't play in this year or that year, the majority of his tenure here with the 49ers has been a disappointment, with a good amount of it falling on his shoulders. To say otherwise is just being foolish and ignoring the big elephant in the room.

Oh please stop with the angle that I have some sort of personal agenda to tarnish Alex Smith. That's like your only attack pattern. Assuming I'm taking things personal when in reality I'm actually speaking the truth. Right, it's just me going out of my way to talk down about a player, it's not like I care for the well-being of the team or anything or actually want good players. Smith has played terrible for the majority of his career here. One good game against a good team (finally when was the last time this happened) won't change that. Like I said earlier, even Scott Mitchell had one good season. Smith is going to have to do a lot more to win me over. A lot more. Did Smith look good today? Yes. Am I going to give online high-fives to everyone or get on my knees for him like some other folks? No.

I said I wouldn't follow the team as closely anymore. Not that I wouldn't follow them period.

Ness
10-02-2011, 11:43 PM
Someone on CSN made a point that I think is rather interesting, the Niners had to create their own breaks to win. Seems like all the good teams do that, hopefully the Niners will take notice.

The Eagles were still the better team I hate to admit. Really, they screwed themselves and basically gave the game to us more so than us winning it. They make one of those field goals or Ronnie Brown doesn't do that stupid play near the goal line we probably lose the game.

Borat
10-02-2011, 11:54 PM
Guys, let's take the Alex Smith stuff to the Niner Discussion Thread. This thread is for mother-******* gloating about the big win today! Booooyahhhh.

YAYareaRB
10-03-2011, 12:03 AM
i hate fans that point out negatives and brush the positives aside like they never happened. WE HAVEN'T WON MUCH...BE HAPPY GODDAMIT!!! as niner fans, we have enough hate from other teams.. we dont need to be hating on ourselves.

same goes for alex smith. he catches enough heat from outsiders and he doesn't need to be hated on by his own teams fans.;

hawkeye123
10-03-2011, 12:05 AM
My best buddy is an eagles fan. First time in years i've been able to talk **** to him and boy did it feel good.

Ness
10-03-2011, 12:14 AM
i hate fans that point out negatives and brush the positives aside like they never happened. WE HAVEN'T WON MUCH...BE HAPPY GODDAMIT!!! as niner fans, we have enough hate from other teams.. we dont need to be hating on ourselves.

same goes for alex smith. he catches enough heat from outsiders and he doesn't need to be hated on by his own teams fans.;

Oh I'm happy. Thrilled, really that we beat the Eagles. But it's more along the lines of "about time" instead of "see I told you so".

YAYareaRB
10-03-2011, 01:19 AM
Oh I'm happy. Thrilled, really that we beat the Eagles. But it's more along the lines of "about time" instead of "see I told you so".

exactly! its about time they let the offense loosen up a bit. i mean its not like we're trying to save ourselves for the superbowl. we have absolutely nothing to lose.

Ness
10-03-2011, 01:24 AM
exactly! its about time they let the offense loosen up a bit. i mean its not like we're trying to save ourselves for the superbowl. we have absolutely nothing to lose.

Oh I meant the winning in general. But that applies to the offensive philosophy as well.

Ness
10-03-2011, 02:15 AM
By the way did anyone hear the heckler in the crowd around the time Brown fumbled?

"OH MY GOD BROWN WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?"

"WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!!!??"

"GOOD JOB BROWN!!!"

"I HOPE YOU GET CUT!!!"

binary
10-03-2011, 04:00 AM
I totally understand Ness's skepticism. I like Alex (admittedly the person more than the player) but this game was another game where he put together one great half. If he could put together a full game against a good team, it would be even better, I guess that's the next step.

This is the first time we've had a staff that does extensive, intelligent offensive gameplanning though, it feels like a different world..new beginning after 7 years? maybe.

Ness
10-03-2011, 04:37 AM
I don't think Alex has ever had a full game where he's just been dominant.

Brent
10-03-2011, 06:12 AM
By the way did anyone hear the heckler in the crowd around the time Brown fumbled?

"OH MY GOD BROWN WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?"

"WHATS WRONG WITH YOU!!!??"

"GOOD JOB BROWN!!!"

"I HOPE YOU GET CUT!!!"
I did, and I found it hilarious.

Rabscuttle
10-03-2011, 07:16 AM
Brown just channelled his N.C. game Reggie Bush on that one.

As for the Eagles special teams blowing two field goals - so did we. Eagles fans mad about the loss miss that and Niners fans thinking we were just lucky miss that.

There easily could have been more picks by our secondary as well, so more things could have gone our way if people want to argue things could have gone Philly's way. The lineman that tripped Brooks may not have got his hand out and Vick could have been put in the training room... If you really want to argue what ifs...

And Goldson did play much better. Good to see him rebounding.

SolidGold
10-03-2011, 11:10 AM
Nice to see Alex Smith playing well. I think the 49ers will loosen the leash on him a little every week as long as he keeps making plays.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
10-03-2011, 11:54 AM
And Crabtree competed on a few balls where he was going to get hit and came down with the ball. To me this is something huge for Alex to build a relationship with him. I really hope this is a sign of things to come, perhaps some timing where they Alex gets more precise and hits Crabtree in stride...

On the post-game show Crab was being interviewed and ,while Alex walked by, yelled "love ya Alex, you da man Alex."

49ers.com posted Harbaugh's locker room speech:
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/Philly-Postgame-Locker-Room-Speech/2d330791-4a2b-4314-b753-6e3c84d97d35

Love @46 second mark it appears that Harbaugh is standing on a chair and celebrates wildly.

Ness
10-03-2011, 01:36 PM
Smith is at least getting better every week.

VAfy-ya
10-03-2011, 05:42 PM
I don't think Alex has ever had a full game where he's just been dominant.

And you never will. There are very few QBs playing today that have the poise, talent, moxy, and improversational skills to put a team on their back and deliver clutch throw after clutch throw. Only elite QBs can carry a entire offense with their arm when everything else around them is crumblimg. But that doesn't mean you cant win just because your only good. I've never seen Flaaco dominate anyone.....doesn't mean he's not a good QB. If Eli Manning can win a Super Bowl, there's no reason Alex can't. A team gets hot at the right time, with the right chemistry and personel dynamics in place and anything can happen. There are plenty of good QBs with Super Bowl rings. Alex is capable of being a good QB. He's been a good QB through 4 games, all things considered.

Ness
10-03-2011, 11:28 PM
And you never will. There are very few QBs playing today that have the poise, talent, moxy, and improversational skills to put a team on their back and deliver clutch throw after clutch throw. Only elite QBs can carry a entire offense with their arm when everything else around them is crumblimg. But that doesn't mean you cant win just because your only good. I've never seen Flaaco dominate anyone.....doesn't mean he's not a good QB. If Eli Manning can win a Super Bowl, there's no reason Alex can't. A team gets hot at the right time, with the right chemistry and personel dynamics in place and anything can happen. There are plenty of good QBs with Super Bowl rings. Alex is capable of being a good QB. He's been a good QB through 4 games, all things considered.
But that is why we picked him number one overall...so he can carry teams on his back. So he can have games like Aaron Rodgers did against the Broncos yesterday. As for Flacco, did you not see what he did to the Rams last week? He dominated the entire game. Or when he threw four touchdowns against the Bears a couple of years back. Flacco has had quite a few games where he dominated the entire contest. If you're telling me that Alex is NEVER going to have a game where he can dominate the entire contest, then we're going to have to find someone else. The chances of winning a Super Bowl with someone like that are practically non-existent. You need that kind of player, because that is the kind of player that gives you a chance in every game you play regardless of all of the other circumstances.

And there are actually a decent amount of quarterbacks that fit the bill as to what I'm talking about. Not very few. More probably more than ever now:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Matt Stafford
Michael Vick
Eli Manning
Tony Romo
Josh Freeman
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Phillip Rivers


And Cam Newton looks like the newest member to that list. All of those guys have had multiple games where they played well the entire four quarters. That is almost half of the NFL's starting quarterbacks. Sure Alex can be a good, manager-type of quarterback. But that isn't what we envisioned when we picked him number overall, and there are going to be games where the quarterback is going to have to put the team on his back maybe game after game to win. Alex needs to have this kind of potential or else the 49ers are already screwed. Really I probably won't be satisfied until Alex has some megastar game where the 49ers dominate a decent ball club (like a 35-10 game), preferably on the road, and Alex plays well for four quarters throwing more than three touchdowns and no interceptions. Like Steve Young said, Alex still needs that signature, knockout performance.

binary
10-04-2011, 12:06 PM
Freeman? I dunno man. A bunch of those QBs are good, but hardly "carry" their teams on their back. Has Schaub made the playoffs yet? Most of those QBs need a great effort on the other side or their Oline to be successful. Rodgers is the one QB I've seen succeed without a great Oline performance, Vick can but now he's paying for it.

Ness
10-04-2011, 03:06 PM
Freeman? I dunno man. A bunch of those QBs are good, but hardly "carry" their teams on their back. Has Schaub made the playoffs yet? Most of those QBs need a great effort on the other side or their Oline to be successful. Rodgers is the one QB I've seen succeed without a great Oline performance, Vick can but now he's paying for it.

How many fourth comebacks has Freeman had already? And the productivity for Schaub is there. Hell, he showed a lot of promise when he was in Atlanta. That defense has held the Texans back more than anything. Even Rodgers in 2008 couldn't lead his team to the playoffs with that terrible defense the Packers had.

VAfy-ya
10-04-2011, 03:40 PM
But that is why we picked him number one overall...so he can carry teams on his back. So he can have games like Aaron Rodgers did against the Broncos yesterday. As for Flacco, did you not see what he did to the Rams last week? He dominated the entire game. Or when he threw four touchdowns against the Bears a couple of years back. Flacco has had quite a few games where he dominated the entire contest. If you're telling me that Alex is NEVER going to have a game where he can dominate the entire contest, then we're going to have to find someone else. The chances of winning a Super Bowl with someone like that are practically non-existent. You need that kind of player, because that is the kind of player that gives you a chance in every game you play regardless of all of the other circumstances.

And there are actually a decent amount of quarterbacks that fit the bill as to what I'm talking about. Not very few. More probably more than ever now:

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco
Matt Ryan
Matt Stafford
Michael Vick
Eli Manning
Tony Romo
Josh Freeman
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Phillip Rivers


And Cam Newton looks like the newest member to that list. All of those guys have had multiple games where they played well the entire four quarters. That is almost half of the NFL's starting quarterbacks. Sure Alex can be a good, manager-type of quarterback. But that isn't what we envisioned when we picked him number overall, and there are going to be games where the quarterback is going to have to put the team on his back maybe game after game to win. Alex needs to have this kind of potential or else the 49ers are already screwed. Really I probably won't be satisfied until Alex has some megastar game where the 49ers dominate a decent ball club (like a 35-10 game), preferably on the road, and Alex plays well for four quarters throwing more than three touchdowns and no interceptions. Like Steve Young said, Alex still needs that signature, knockout performance.

Okay, maybe you need to clairfy what you mean by "dominate" because to me that means can you put the offense on your back and shred a great defenses. Flacco can't do that. He can put up good numbers but against elite teams, he is average. He relies on a good ground game, where he can play-action off of and throw in the middle of the field. He has shaky accuracy outside the hashes and when they have had to rely on his arm to win games, he has failed. That's not a dominate QB, IMO. If your talking about just having a good stat line, throwing for mutiple TDs, making a couple of good throws and a high QBR then sure, there's alot of QBs who have had games like those, including Alex. But just about half your list are QBs I consider "good". There are very few who can dominate a game, from the pocket, against good defenses. Rodgers, Eli, Brady, and Brees.....thats about it. Big Ben is as clutch as they come and I give him a ton of props for that alone but he's not a guy who can throw it 50 times a game and win without a stout running game to take some of the pressure off. Rivers should probably be included too. The rest are good-very good QBs. But to me a great QB can manipulate a defense, FROM THE POCKET, with his arm and move the chains and continue to put points on the board, when very little around them is functioning the way it should. Be it, O-Line, running game, defense, talent on the outside, etc. The ones I mention have done it, against top defenses, in the biggest games, year in and year out. Not for a few games here and there. That's my criteria.

As far as Alex, its not his fault he is who he is and its not his fault his was a #1 overall pick. Blame the coach and the GM who chose him. The fact anyone could watch what Alex did at Utah and saw a elite NFL QB is beyond me but I sure didn't. But I can't blame him because McCluess, Nolan, and McCarthy can't evaluate QBs. People need to get over where he was drafted. Maybe most fan don't remember the '06 season but Alex looked like he was well on his way to becoming a good QB. Go to NFL.com and search under "49ers videos" and look at some of the old footage from that '06 season. To me, Alex has never looked better(including this year) than he did under Norv Turner. He missed his fair share of throws that year but for a second year guy, there was alot to like. And considering the lack of talent on that team, its really even more impressive how good he looked. Everything was better. His footwork, his eyes, even that wind up delievery of his looked sped up and more efficent. Most importantly though, his vision of the field. He saw everything and took shots down the field, threw to the sidelines and he was deadly accurate throwing on the run. Its like that shoulder injury took something out of him football wise, that I have yet to see return.

Ness
10-04-2011, 04:04 PM
Okay, maybe you need to clairfy what you mean by "dominate" because to me that means can you put the offense on your back and shred a great defenses. Flacco can't do that. He can put up good numbers but against elite teams, he is average. He relies on a good ground game, where he can play-action off of and throw in the middle of the field. He has shaky accuracy outside the hashes and when they have had to rely on his arm to win games, he has failed. That's not a dominate QB, IMO. If your talking about just having a good stat line, throwing for mutiple TDs, making a couple of good throws and a high QBR then sure, there's alot of QBs who have had games like those, including Alex. But just about half your list are QBs I consider "good". There are very few who can dominate a game, from the pocket, against good defenses. Rodgers, Eli, Brady, and Brees.....thats about it. Big Ben is as clutch as they come and I give him a ton of props for that alone but he's not a guy who can throw it 50 times a game and win without a stout running game to take some of the pressure off. Rivers should probably be included too. The rest are good-very good QBs. But to me a great QB can manipulate a defense, FROM THE POCKET, with his arm and move the chains and continue to put points on the board, when very little around them is functioning the way it should. Be it, O-Line, running game, defense, talent on the outside, etc. The ones I mention have done it, against top defenses, in the biggest games, year in and year out. Not for a few games here and there. That's my criteria.

As far as Alex, its not his fault he is who he is and its not his fault his was a #1 overall pick. Blame the coach and the GM who chose him. The fact anyone could watch what Alex did at Utah and saw a elite NFL QB is beyond me but I sure didn't. But I can't blame him because McCluess, Nolan, and McCarthy can't evaluate QBs. People need to get over where he was drafted. Maybe most fan don't remember the '06 season but Alex looked like he was well on his way to becoming a good QB. Go to NFL.com and search under "49ers videos" and look at some of the old footage from that '06 season. To me, Alex has never looked better(including this year) than he did under Norv Turner. He missed his fair share of throws that year but for a second year guy, there was alot to like. And considering the lack of talent on that team, its really even more impressive how good he looked. Everything was better. His footwork, his eyes, even that wind up delievery of his looked sped up and more efficent. Most importantly though, his vision of the field. He saw everything and took shots down the field, threw to the sidelines and he was deadly accurate throwing on the run. Its like that shoulder injury took something out of him football wise, that I have yet to see return.

I think it's pretty straightfoward. All of those guys have dominated at one point or another against good teams. Obviously a good amount of teamwork is involved, but those guys have made plays that win their team games instead of making plays that lose them. Or rather, they've gotten more than their fair share of the positive. And against good teams. And more than a ratio of 1 in seven years.

As for Flacco, did you see what he did to the Steelers defense? Sure he has a good running game and defense, but Joe Montana had a great supporting cast on and off the field as well. As did Steve Young. But we don't knock those guys down a notch because of it.

As for Alex and where he was taken, yes it isn't his fault he was taken in the 1st round when he should have been taken in the 3rd. And we should have selected Aaron Rodgers instead. At the same time though his draft status has kept him here for more than six years.

VAfy-ya
10-04-2011, 05:55 PM
I think it's pretty straightfoward. All of those guys have dominated at one point or another against good teams. Obviously a good amount of teamwork is involved, but those guys have made plays that win their team games instead of making plays that lose them. Or rather, they've gotten more than their fair share of the positive. And against good teams. And more than a ratio of 1 in seven years.

As for Flacco, did you see what he did to the Steelers defense? Sure he has a good running game and defense, but Joe Montana had a great supporting cast on and off the field as well. As did Steve Young. But we don't knock those guys down a notch because of it.

As for Alex and where he was taken, yes it isn't his fault he was taken in the 1st round when he should have been taken in the 3rd. And we should have selected Aaron Rodgers instead. At the same time though his draft status has kept him here for more than six years.

For you to even metion Flacco in the same breath as Young and Montana is blashemphy. Montana made magic when our backs were against the wall too many times to count, on the biggest stage. Never had a potent run game which to rely on, as his arm was our running game, more times than not. What has Flaaco done? He beats the Steelers in week 1 of the regular season.....whoppdy doo. What happens every time he sees them in the playoffs? Their running game stalls and he's called upon to make plays with his arm and he can't. He can't stand tall in the pocket, under the pressue of the blitz so they're offense crumbles and he fails short. You put Flaacco on that Packers team and you think they beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl? You think he makes clutch throws on 3rd down, REPEATEDLY and with pinpoint accuracy? Of course not....because he couldn't do it just 2 weeks prior. And Im not saying this because I think Flaaco is a awful QB because he's not. He's a good QB. Frank Reich, Elvis Erbac, Neil O'Donnell, Trent Green, Bernie Kosar good. Not Montana, Young kind of good no, not even for a second. And not yet, anyways....

Ness
10-05-2011, 01:05 AM
For you to even metion Flacco in the same breath as Young and Montana is blashemphy. Montana made magic when our backs were against the wall too many times to count, on the biggest stage. Never had a potent run game which to rely on, as his arm was our running game, more times than not. What has Flaaco done? He beats the Steelers in week 1 of the regular season.....whoppdy doo. What happens every time he sees them in the playoffs? Their running game stalls and he's called upon to make plays with his arm and he can't. He can't stand tall in the pocket, under the pressue of the blitz so they're offense crumbles and he fails short. You put Flaacco on that Packers team and you think they beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl? You think he makes clutch throws on 3rd down, REPEATEDLY and with pinpoint accuracy? Of course not....because he couldn't do it just 2 weeks prior. And Im not saying this because I think Flaaco is a awful QB because he's not. He's a good QB. Frank Reich, Elvis Erbac, Neil O'Donnell, Trent Green, Bernie Kosar good. Not Montana, Young kind of good no, not even for a second. And not yet, anyways....

I think you missed the point. Montana and Young are obviously better, and I wasn't comparing Flacco to them, or rather I wasn't saying he was on their level, but I am saying that he does have the moxie to make big plays consistently and has proved it. Just because he hasn't gotten to the big dance in the playoffs yet doesn't really mean much if that is what you are getting at. The last time he was in the playoffs it was Ray Rice and his stupid receivers dropping passes that did them in, not Flacco. He's definitely better than the likes of Reich, O'Donnell, or Grbac.

Oh and Montana did have a decent to very good running game at various points in his career. Bill Walsh did like to pass the rock early on in his tenure sometimes. But guys like Roger Craig, Wyndell Tyler, and Tom Rathman provided more than enough grit to get the job done. He didn't have a Hall of Fame back (arguably Craig) getting 1,000 yards season after season, but that doesn't mean the 49ers couldn't run the football. Their passing game was better, so obviously that was going to be emphasized. But it wasn't better because their rushing game was awful.

VAfy-ya
10-05-2011, 01:35 AM
I think you missed the point. Montana and Young are obviously better, and I wasn't comparing Flacco to them, or rather I wasn't saying he was on their level, but I am saying that he does have the moxie to make big plays consistently and has proved it. Just because he hasn't gotten to the big dance in the playoffs yet doesn't really mean much if that is what you are getting at. The last time he was in the playoffs it was Ray Rice and his stupid receivers dropping passes that did them in, not Flacco. He's definitely better than the likes of Reich, O'Donnell, or Grbac.

Oh and Montana did have a decent to very good running game at various points in his career. Bill Walsh did like to pass the rock early on in his tenure sometimes. But guys like Roger Craig, Wyndell Tyler, and Tom Rathman provided more than enough grit to get the job done. He didn't have a Hall of Fame back (arguably Craig) getting 1,000 yards season after season, but that doesn't mean the 49ers couldn't run the football. Their passing game was better, so obviously that was going to be emphasized. But it wasn't better because their rushing game was awful.

Short passing was our run game for many years. That's what i meant when I said we relied on his arm in those instances. Our running game, even at its peak never really struck fear in defenses. It was Montana and the passing game that kept DC's awake at night. Not to say we were one-dimentional but we knew the ball in Joe's hands was our best bet. That's not a slight to our running game or those players but facts are facts. We were a pass-first team......60/40 run ratio if I recall the stats correctly, for most of Walsh's tenure after he's first Super Bowl victory over the Bengals.

As far as Flacco you have your opinion and I have mine. He's good QB but no DC is up all night figuring out how to slow down Joe Flacco. He's not there yet. Im not sure if he ever will. And it has nothing to do with post-season success. I used the big stage because when your in the playoffs, your usually going against the best teams, best defenses so your weakness are magnified. You can't put those losses on his RB and drop passes. There were instances where he also under-threw, over-threw open WRs, held the ball too long against a formidable pass-rush and didnt make the right reads. He's on a team where the running the rock and ball-control is their main objective. They couldn't survive putting the ball in Flacco's hand and having him throw the ball 50 times. Their best offensive player is Ray Rice, not Joe Flacco. And he has the benefit of playing on a team with a defense that creates turnovers and gives him some short-fields to work with so life isn't all bad there in the Charm City. Like I said, insert any of those elite QBs I mentioned into those Raven teams and they do more with the same talent, IMO. He's good....but I see nothing special or elite when I watch him play.

Ness
10-05-2011, 02:43 AM
Short passing was our run game for many years. That's what i meant when I said we relied on his arm in those instances. Our running game, even at its peak never really struck fear in defenses. It was Montana and the passing game that kept DC's awake at night. Not to say we were one-dimentional but we knew the ball in Joe's hands was our best bet. That's not a slight to our running game or those players but facts are facts. We were a pass-first team......60/40 run ratio if I recall the stats correctly, for most of Walsh's tenure after he's first Super Bowl victory over the Bengals.

Even if the 49ers had Eric Dickerson or Billy Sims, they'd probably still pass the ball a good amount of the time because that is what Walsh and his offense did. It's what he did in Cincinnati, and it's what he did with the 49ers. The 49ers relied on the arm of Montana because that is the nature of the offense. At least at that place in time. Wouldn't matter if it was Matt Cavanaugh in there. They would rely on his arm because the 49ers passed the ball the majority of the time.

As far as Flacco you have your opinion and I have mine. He's good QB but no DC is up all night figuring out how to slow down Joe Flacco. He's not there yet. Im not sure if he ever will. And it has nothing to do with post-season success. I used the big stage because when your in the playoffs, your usually going against the best teams, best defenses so your weakness are magnified. You can't put those losses on his RB and drop passes. There were instances where he also under-threw, over-threw open WRs, held the ball too long against a formidable pass-rush and didnt make the right reads. He's on a team where the running the rock and ball-control is their main objective. They couldn't survive putting the ball in Flacco's hand and having him throw the ball 50 times. Their best offensive player is Ray Rice, not Joe Flacco. And he has the benefit of playing on a team with a defense that creates turnovers and gives him some short-fields to work with so life isn't all bad there in the Charm City. Like I said, insert any of those elite QBs I mentioned into those Raven teams and they do more with the same talent, IMO. He's good....but I see nothing special or elite when I watch him play.
And you take Flacco off the Ravens and replace him with an average starter then all of a sudden the receivers aren't making big plays as consistently and Rice is being neutralized because defenses are constantly stacking eight men in the box. And the Ravens are searching for another quarterback another ten seasons. Last season's playoff loss was not on Flacco. He played a great defense on the road and played pretty well. The fumble by Rice and the receivers dropping passes when the ball hit them in the numbers is what did them in. I don't know what Flacco is to do when his receivers keep dropping passes. Ray Rice may be a better player than Flacco is a quarterback, but Flacco is way more important to the franchise and it's not even close.

binary
10-05-2011, 03:49 AM
IMO , the Ravens would still be good without Flacco, similar to the Jets..they don't really hinge on QB play...Sanchez is terrible.

Ness
10-05-2011, 04:06 AM
IMO , the Ravens would still be good without Flacco, similar to the Jets..they don't really hinge on QB play...Sanchez is terrible.

Let's get real here. The Ravens had never had a streak making the playoffs like this without a good quarterback. In today's game you need a good starter if you want to get somewhere year in and year out. Dominant defenses are hard to keep together in this day and age, not to mention they are having more and more disadvantages thrown at them every other year with the rule changes and what not. Before Flacco they had never made the playoffs three years in a row. And they are poised for their fourth straight trip to the playoffs since Flacco's arrival. That's not a coincidence.

binary
10-05-2011, 12:11 PM
Let's get real here. The Ravens had never had a streak making the playoffs like this without a good quarterback. In today's game you need a good starter if you want to get somewhere year in and year out. Dominant defenses are hard to keep together in this day and age, not to mention they are having more and more disadvantages thrown at them every other year with the rule changes and what not. Before Flacco they had never made the playoffs three years in a row. And they are poised for their fourth straight trip to the playoffs since Flacco's arrival. That's not a coincidence.

how do you explain Sanchez then? he sucks. Even without Flacco, I'm pretty sure they still had a winning record, it's not like they became an average team.

VAfy-ya
10-05-2011, 02:50 PM
IMO , the Ravens would still be good without Flacco, similar to the Jets..they don't really hinge on QB play...Sanchez is terrible.

That's my point. You insert any average/good QB into that line-up and its the same result. Cassel, Orton, Cutler, Hasselback, Sanchez....they could all give you what Flacco does. That's not elite in my eyes. Just because he's better than what they had previously(Boller) doesn't make him some kind of franchise savior. A good QB can turn a marginal team into a contender. That's been proven at length. That doesn't neccesarily mean can stand toe-to-toe, throw for throw with the elite guys. Of course Flacco makes them better than they were....look at what they had. When you improve your talent at a key position that was previously underwhelming, you should be better. That goes without saying really....

Ness
10-05-2011, 04:57 PM
how do you explain Sanchez then? he sucks. Even without Flacco, I'm pretty sure they still had a winning record, it's not like they became an average team.

I don't remember listing Sanchez among the guys I thought were elite. So I don't know why you're bringing him up. Without Flacco the Ravens have had a winning record in their history. You can say that about any team ever, except Houston. The Ravens have never had three straight winning seasons though, Flacco helped make that happen. Think about it. What is the longest tenure of a Ravens' quarterback in franchise history? Three years maybe?

binary
10-05-2011, 08:25 PM
I don't remember listing Sanchez among the guys I thought were elite. So I don't know why you're bringing him up. Without Flacco the Ravens have had a winning record in their history. You can say that about any team ever, except Houston. The Ravens have never had three straight winning seasons though, Flacco helped make that happen. Think about it. What is the longest tenure of a Ravens' quarterback in franchise history? Three years maybe?


ur right, I was multitasking at work and totally misinterpreted your argument. Anyways, I guess my point was that a QB that "dominates" isn't really needed to be a good team; and a "dominant" QB does not equate to being considered a good QB. The Jets were contenders with Sanchez at QB, and Freeman and Flacco hardly dominate but are considered good.