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Leon Sandcastle
10-01-2011, 08:48 PM
Is this guy for real? Looks very athletic for a guy who's 270 and he's making plays all over the field.

I'm sure he has more TD's than the whole Ohio State Football team. LOL.

Where do you guys project him in the upcoming draft? Best position at the next level? NFL comparison?

RaiderNation
10-01-2011, 08:49 PM
I'd say a DE in the 4-3 would use his talents the best. 2/3 rounder right now but is on the rise.

Leon Sandcastle
10-01-2011, 08:51 PM
Do you think he can play OLB in a 3-4?

Scott Wright
10-02-2011, 05:29 AM
In case you missed it, I recently wrote a blog on Ingram:


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Mr. Touchdown
http://draftcountdown.com/blog/archive/sept11.php#sept30

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mario
10-02-2011, 06:30 AM
No way he's 270, he looks much more explosive than last year so you can bet he has lost some weight in the off season. Actually i project him better as a 34 OLB than 43 end.

rawdawg
10-02-2011, 09:23 PM
In another thread, I compared Ingram to Charles Johnson of Carolina. Very similar in size. I think Ingram may be a better all-around athlete and can possibly play 3-4 OLB, but straight line speed should be pretty similar.

In a draft full of 6'5"-6'6" DEs at the top of draft boards, I think Ingram could get lost and go in the 3rd round range. Someone will get a really good player, and really good value in the late 2nd to early 3rd.

ElectricEye
10-02-2011, 09:25 PM
The Ed Reed of defensive ends. Guy just makes plays.

Really impressed with what I saw out of him. He's sort of in the Brandon Graham zone as far as where you can put him, but I think he'll find a place to play if he can continue to be this good.

PrimeTime
10-03-2011, 11:13 AM
Melvin has been huge for the University of South Carolina this year.

Most wrote this guy off when Jadaveon Clowney committed (but in Clowney's defense, he's been a star himself so far this year). Melvin has been extremely productive this year, and with his ability to stand up and put his hand in the ground I think he would make the perfect OLB/Nickel DE in a creative 3-4 (Rex/Rob Ryan)

If he keeps up this production, it would be a shame to see him slip past the 2nd round.

Shane P. Hallam
10-03-2011, 11:58 AM
Honestly, he may not slip past the 1st round if he keeps this up and works out well.

Big Bird
10-03-2011, 03:38 PM
Let's calm down with the z's. He's no Jordy Nelson.

Grizzlegom
01-20-2012, 11:09 AM
Wanted to bump this thread and see how people feel about him now that the season has ended...

gpngc
01-20-2012, 12:13 PM
+Above average NFL athleticism and an NFL body
+Versatile (played in a 2pt stance, both sides of the line, and DT)
+Knack for making plays
+Good spin move
+Good hands (not in a catching sense)

-Not instinctive
-Lacks a great motor
-Lacks a great burst at the snap
-Doesn't play with great leverage
-Doesn't show fluid hips in pass coverage
-Inconsistent getting off blocks in the running game (gets off them down the field after gains at times and makes tackles in pursuit rather than positive defensive stops)

Basically, he's got a lot of pass-rushing potential but doesn't play with great technique or instincts (which is alarming for a senior). Coached up, the kid could be a stud. Without refining his game, he'll flop.

SRogers92
01-23-2012, 11:31 AM
He'll go to the Lions at 1.23 tbqh.

Flaming Mo
01-23-2012, 12:12 PM
Seems tailor made for the Jets at #16. Rex had a player like him before and used him all over the field (Adalius Thomas) and Ingram certainly "plays like a Jet" as the coaches always like to say. The Jets got a big time need at OLB as Pace is aging, Bryan Thomas comes off a season ending injury and the others like Maybin and Westerman weren't ready for full time duty last season. The Jets sorely need playmakers and athletic pass rushers in the front seven, Ingram would certainly help.

Duffman57
01-23-2012, 12:24 PM
Killed his stock today with me. I really hope he goes to the Jets so he can be a massive bust. Literally the only thing he has going for him is that he's insanely fluid for such a big guy like Adaiilus Thomas. He's got average to above average strait line speed, but he's got the worst hand use I've seen from a first round touted prospect, and he no burst off the snap at all. Add on to that, that he has 30.5 inch arms, makes it almost impossible for him to do anything as a pass rusher. He also plays pretty soft and avoids blocks rather than stacking and shedding, which is almost impossible for him to do. I would have a hard time taking him with a 2nd round pick at this point. He has a nack for makingbig plays, so that may speak to his football knowledge, but I just don't see much upside to him, let alone a first round talent. 30 inch arms just REALLY killed his stock for me, or what little there was left.

Flaming Mo
01-23-2012, 01:09 PM
Killed his stock today with me. I really hope he goes to the Jets so he can be a massive bust. Literally the only thing he has going for him is that he's insanely fluid for such a big guy like Adaiilus Thomas. He's got average to above average strait line speed, but he's got the worst hand use I've seen from a first round touted prospect, and he no burst off the snap at all. Add on to that, that he has 30.5 inch arms, makes it almost impossible for him to do anything as a pass rusher. He also plays pretty soft and avoids blocks rather than stacking and shedding, which is almost impossible for him to do. I would have a hard time taking him with a 2nd round pick at this point. He has a nack for makingbig plays, so that may speak to his football knowledge, but I just don't see much upside to him, let alone a first round talent. 30 inch arms just REALLY killed his stock for me, or what little there was left.

That's exactly what he has to prove, that his athletisism and measurables wont be a problem in the NFL. His measurement surely didnt help...

Black Bolt
01-23-2012, 01:28 PM
That's exactly what he has to prove, that his athletisism and measurables wont be a problem in the NFL. His measurement surely didnt help...

as 3-4 OLB?? It's nice in thought, but how many of them do you actually see doing it in the NFL?

Iamcanadian
01-23-2012, 01:39 PM
Melvin Ingram is a very athletic and versatile defender. He was a RB in high school so he has exceptionable quickness and rush skills. I have no doubt he would be an excellent OLB in a 3-4 at approx. 6'2", 276lbs. and will be a likely 1st round pick.

Flaming Mo
01-23-2012, 02:21 PM
as 3-4 OLB?? It's nice in thought, but how many of them do you actually see doing it in the NFL?

I was referring to his arm length and lso his weight. He is close to 280 lbs which would be insanely big for an OLB. His height isnt a problem at all in my eyes.

SRogers92
01-24-2012, 12:38 PM
I've heard he's been tearing it up in the practices. What exactly has he done to "kill his stock"?

SenorGato
01-24-2012, 02:23 PM
I like him more than Upshaw as a 3-4 OLB prospect, but I'm not 100% sure I'm into drafting either in the first. That said, Ingram can change my mind pretty easily with a good week + workouts.

Questions with both aren't height/weight, it's length. I think if one of the two does make it as a 3-4 OLB it's probably Ingram.

J-Mike88
01-24-2012, 04:09 PM
Seems tailor made for the Jets at #16..
Are the Jets going to address the QB situation later then, perhaps round 2, or are they not concerned with the direction Sanchez is headed?

Miaoww
01-24-2012, 05:30 PM
He's looked very impressive in the one on one drills today (Tuesday).

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
He's a monsta!!

Someone dropped on NFLN that he's essentially a bigger James Harrison.
IMO he's the best pass rusher on the South squad.

Ingram is going top 15.

Duffman57
01-24-2012, 07:36 PM
He's a monsta!!

Someone dropped on NFLN that he's essentially a bigger James Harrison.
IMO he's the best pass rusher on the South squad.

Ingram is going top 15.

I'd be happy about that, hell let the Jets take him. He can be all over the place and be a non factor rushing the passer for them. If it means Perry dropping to the Chargers, I'd be PSYCHED about it.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2012, 08:20 PM
No burst off the snap??? Really??

I bet you a virtual dollar that Ingram is the defensive MVP of the Senior Bowl game.;)

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 08:55 PM
I don't see why people are saying Ingram is too big to play OLB in the 3-4 defense.

Lamarr Woodley was 6014 266 at the combine (listed at 6-2 265 by the Steelers). Ingram is 6017 276 at the senior bowl weigh-in. Are we saying he can't drop 10 lbs? I bet he can drop 10 lbs by the combine if he wanted to.

A team drafting Ingram to play OLB will absolutely want him to play the Woodley role.

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 08:57 PM
I don't think he needs to drop 10 lbs. I've met Ingram in person, he is the most svelte 276 lb. man I've seen. He carries his weight very well, it's all solid mass and he probably will put up a pretty impressive short shuttle time for being that big. The problem with him is his length. Only 6'2" and he has short arms.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 09:18 PM
I don't think he needs to drop 10 lbs. I've met Ingram in person, he is the most svelte 276 lb. man I've seen. He carries his weight very well, it's all solid mass and he probably will put up a pretty impressive short shuttle time for being that big. The problem with him is his length. Only 6'2" and he has short arms.

I didn't say he needed to drop 10 pounds, I was just pointing out that if he did, he would be essentially the same size as Woodley (well 3/8" taller) and Woodley has no problem playing OLB at his size. So if a team wanted Ingram to play OLB, the size wouldn't be the thing that keeps them away.

I think he would be a darn good fit at OLB for a 3-4 team that has one good pass rushing OLB already and would have Ingram as the #2 guy (ideal marriage of player and need is probably somewhere like Green Bay, but the Packers would probably have to trade up to get him.)

J-Mike88
01-29-2012, 02:55 PM
I think he would be a darn good fit at OLB for a 3-4 team that has one good pass rushing OLB already and would have Ingram as the #2 guy (ideal marriage of player and need is probably somewhere like Green Bay, but the Packers would probably have to trade up to get him.)
We traded up (with NE) to get Clay Matthews in 2009.
Maybe TraderTed does it again, for the same position.

This team sucks without a pass rush >as teams only had to worry about #52. Nobody else could sniff an opponents QB.

Duffman57
01-29-2012, 02:58 PM
No burst off the snap??? Really??

I bet you a virtual dollar that Ingram is the defensive MVP of the Senior Bowl game.;)

Ok, sounds good ;)

I wouldn't touch this guy near a 3-4, just cant beat anyone off the edge. Doesn't use his hands, has short arms anyway, doens't have good burst off the snap and just isn't physical enough as a rusher to be a good bull rusher like Upshaw is to overcome those things. He's versatile, but thats all he's got at this point for a 34

thefridge15
01-29-2012, 07:49 PM
I'd be very wary spending a first round pick on Ingram. When I scouted him, all I could notice was the high amount of effort he needed to get anywhere. With little burst off the snap and average hand usage you really have to be a technician inside and I just don't see that with Ingram. He does have a few good pass rush moves he likes to go to, but I haven't actually seen them work much. Overall his limited upside just keeps him out of the first round for me. Do I think he will last into the second day? Probably not, the need for teams to rush the passer is at an all-time high.

rawdawg
01-29-2012, 07:58 PM
I'd be very wary spending a first round pick on Ingram. When I scouted him, all I could notice was the high amount of effort he needed to get anywhere. With little burst off the snap and average hand usage you really have to be a technician inside and I just don't see that with Ingram. He does have a few good pass rush moves he likes to go to, but I haven't actually seen them work much. Overall his limited upside just keeps him out of the first round for me. Do I think he will last into the second day? Probably not, the need for teams to rush the passer is at an all-time high.

Agree for the most part. With a 1st round pass rusher, I want elite potential. I don't see that with him. He won't be a bust of a pick, but I think he's a solid DE not a great one. The comparison I like is a Charles Johnson type. Going to be a max effort pass rusher who I think is (like Johnson) more of a 9-11 sack/season type player rather than a guy that can consistently surpass or flirt with 15+ like a Ware, Matthews, Allen. And with a 1st round pick, I'd want a guy that can put up those elite type numbers.

21BoysFan21
01-30-2012, 09:06 AM
There are only a small handful of Ware's, Matthews's, Allen's, etc. If a guy is a 10 sack guy that offers versatility... that's generally a 1st round consideration.

I'm not so sure about the chatter about Ingram's lack of burst. Have you seen his explosiveness in relation to Upshaw? Night and day.

rawdawg
01-30-2012, 09:11 AM
There are only a small handful of Ware's, Matthews's, Allen's, etc. If a guy is a 10 sack guy that offers versatility... that's generally a 1st round consideration.

I'm not so sure about the chatter about Ingram's lack of burst. Have you seen his explosiveness in relation to Upshaw? Night and day.

Yeah, that's why I said "for the most part". He definitely has some burst. And I agree there are not many of the 15+ sack guys out there, but he doesn't seem like he'll ever be a guy teams will gameplan for starting on Monday/Tuesday, like they do for those 3 and guys like Peppers, Freeney (in his prime), Abraham, etc.

TACKLE
01-30-2012, 09:19 AM
I agree with what rawdawg said about him not being a guy you gameplan around but Ingram is a guy I can see becoming a solid role player and a potentially key cog in a defense somewhere and becoming a Adalius Thomas/Mike Vrable/Jarret Johnson type player depending on how he pans out.

rockio42
01-30-2012, 09:27 AM
I agree with what rawdawg said about him not being a guy you gameplan around but Ingram is a guy I can see becoming a solid role player and a potentially key cog in a defense somewhere and becoming a Adalius Thomas/Mike Vrable/Jarret Johnson type player depending on how he pans out.

So the real question becomes...Is a role player in that type of mold WORTH a mid-late 1st rounder?

RyanBraun8
01-30-2012, 09:28 AM
We traded up (with NE) to get Clay Matthews in 2009.
Maybe TraderTed does it again, for the same position.

This team sucks without a pass rush >as teams only had to worry about #52. Nobody else could sniff an opponents QB.


15-2. I agree it killed us but "this team sucks without pass rush" is really stretching it. 15-2 is hard to classify as a sucky season

That said, TT needs to load up on not quantity but quality and NEEDS to be aggressive for only his 2nd time ever. He needs a dynamic OLB and a Dynamic DE. Ingram, bust or not would be light years better than Jones, Walden, Zombo trio we have now.

H.O.O.D
01-30-2012, 09:30 AM
Are the Jets going to address the QB situation later then, perhaps round 2, or are they not concerned with the direction Sanchez is headed?

You think the Jets are going to consider a QB at 16 ?

Robcards
01-30-2012, 09:36 AM
Are the Jets going to address the QB situation later then, perhaps round 2, or are they not concerned with the direction Sanchez is headed?

Anyone who takes a qb in the first round after RG3 is an idiot. If the jets take a qb with pick 16 I'm turning in my jets fan card.

Razor
02-13-2012, 11:20 AM
Can somebody please explain why someone would mock Melvin Ingram to the Patriots? I keep seeing it and I don't get it. Is it his short stature that so intrigues people despite the fact that BB on numerous occasions has elected not to draft players like Ingram. Is it the fact that Ingram was moved around on defense to constantly match up against the weakest opponents that has people believing he's going to tear up the NFL? Someone please tell me because I'm going nuts every time I see this pick. It makes no sense...

DraftSavant
02-13-2012, 11:26 AM
Anybody else concerned that the majority of his pressures/sacks came from lining up at DT and overwhelming overmatched guards? Not a whole lot of success off the edge.

He's one of those guys that "just makes plays," though.

AntoinCD
02-13-2012, 11:37 AM
Anybody else concerned that the majority of his pressures/sacks came from lining up at DT and overwhelming overmatched guards? Not a whole lot of success off the edge.

He's one of those guys that "just makes plays," though.

Eh, not really. It's a passing league now and more teams use pass rushers going against interior linemen these days. Look at someone like Justin Tuck. He is a better than average LE for the Giants but a dominating pass rusher inside.

The NFL is now so specified that players who may have been considered niche or role players now have a significant role, especially if that role is rushing the passer.

The question becomes, if Ingram's ceiling is a role player who may become a very good interior rusher do you spend a first round pick on him? This is what GMs and decision makers need to weigh up. Do they take a guy like Ingram who can be a solid player with a ceiling of Justin Tuck or do they take a riskier pass rusher with the upside of JPP?

J-Mike88
02-13-2012, 12:23 PM
15-2. I agree it killed us but "this team sucks without pass rush" is really stretching it. 15-2 is hard to classify as a sucky season

That said, TT needs to load up on not quantity but quality and NEEDS to be aggressive for only his 2nd time ever. He needs a dynamic OLB and a Dynamic DE. Ingram, bust or not would be light years better than Jones, Walden, Zombo trio we have now.
Yeah I meant this defense sucks with no pass rush.
Obviously the offense and overall team don't suck.

Can't wait to compare Ingramzzz times to Upshaws at the combine, and all the other OLB/DE prospects.

ATLDirtyBirds
02-13-2012, 09:12 PM
Anybody else concerned that the majority of his pressures/sacks came from lining up at DT and overwhelming overmatched guards? Not a whole lot of success off the edge.

He's one of those guys that "just makes plays," though.

He moves well laterally and has a nice first step. I don't see a stud, but I think he'll be productive. The "just make plays" thing is so true. Good awareness out there.

FUNBUNCHER
02-13-2012, 10:26 PM
I hope Ingram drops his weight around 260# prior to the combine so we can see how he looks in LB drills.
I'm sure teams will work him out anyway doing drops and covering passes, but I feel we'd have a better gauge of his 34 potential at a lighter weight.