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Robcards
10-09-2011, 06:28 PM
Updated the order a bit, and instead of having possible pick trades I just moved the order a bit for teams who's records should be close. Also excluding the explanations as I explained most of these picks in my post-week4 mock. Before the Chiefs fans derail this thread, I have the Chiefs drafting 6th after Luck, Barkley, and Jones are gone, and RGIII not declaring, also read in the Chiefs team forum that the DL could use improvement and Coples is BPA at 6th there, so don't derail this saying Cassel sucks or whatever else. Thanks.

1. Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck - QB - Stanford
2. St. Louis Rams - Alshon Jeffery - WR - South Carolina
3. Miami Dolphins - Matt Barkley - QB - USC
4. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil - T - USC
5. Arizona Cardinals - Landry Jones - QB - Oklahoma
6. Kansas City Chiefs - Quinton Coples - DE - North Carolina
7. Carolina Panthers - Jared Crick - DE/DT - Nebraska
8. Seattle Seahawks - Justin Blackmon - WR - Oklahoma State
9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Alfonzo Dennard - CB - Nebraska
10. Denver Broncos - Trent Richardson - HB - Alabama
11. Chicago Bears - Jonathan Martin - T - Stanford
12. Tennessee Titans - Zach Brown - OLB - North Carolina
13. Dallas Cowboys - Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Florida State
14. Washington Redskins - Luke Kuechly - MLB - Boston College
15. Cleveland Browns - Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame
16. Philadelphia Eagles - Manti Te'o - MLB - Notre Dame
17. Buffalo Bills - Courtney Upshaw - OLB - Alabama
18. Oakland Raiders - Morris Claiborne - CB - LSU
19. Cincinnati Bengals - Dre Kirkpatrick - CB - Alabama
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Riley Reiff - T - Iowa
21. New York Giants - Vontaze Burfict - MLB - Arizona State
22. San Diego Chargers - Dont'a Hightower - ILB - Alabama
23. New York Jets - Alameda Ta'amu - NT - Washington
24. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) - Brandon Thompson - DT - Clemson
25. San Francisco 49ers - David DeCastro - G - Stanford
26. Pittsburgh Steelers - Cordy Glenn - G/T - Georgia
27. New England Patriots - Jerel Worthy - DT - Michigan State
28. Detroit Lions - Donte Paige-Moss - DE - North Carolina
29. Houston Texans - Bruce Irvin - OLB - West Virginia
30. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Janoris Jenkins - CB - North Alabama
31. Baltimore Ravens - Dwayne Allen - TE - Clemson
32. Green Bay Packers - Chase Minnifield - CB - Virginia

shylo3716
10-09-2011, 06:44 PM
4. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil - T - USC
Percy Harvin is not and will not never be a #1 WR that cannot pass on Blackmon if he is there.
5. Arizona Cardinals - Landry Jones - QB - Oklahoma
No possible way this pick would make sense when they traded valuable assets for Kolb which indicates he is their QB of the future.
9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Alfonzo Dennard - CB - Nebraska
Claiborne is actually the #1 CB prospect as of right now. He has so much value right now.
13. Dallas Cowboys - Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Florida State
You don't think they would take a secondary guy with Jenkins being "suspect" & Newman aging?
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Riley Reiff - T - Iowa
Barber is getting older by the 3 & outs and Talib is ever so troublesome.
24. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) - Brandon Thompson - DT - Clemson
I believe Lamar Miller has great value here with this pick, especially with Hillis being rumored for forcing a "trade".
30. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Janoris Jenkins - CB - North Alabama
Does this mean Dowling slides over to Safety?

Constructive criticism in Bold

vidae
10-09-2011, 06:49 PM
Couples is a pretty awful KC pick. There are about 45835 other players we'd take before throwing more money into the DL.

FuzzyGopher
10-09-2011, 06:59 PM
Constructive criticism in Bold

If Kalil is there the Vikings take him without hesitation.

Robcards
10-09-2011, 07:02 PM
Couples is a pretty awful KC pick. There are about 45835 other players we'd take before throwing more money into the DL.

There aren't 43835 players better than Coples. Also your team boards seem to think d-line needs addressing. I'd take their opinion over yours, which is awful since you think QB and HB are the Chiefs biggest needs.

shylo3716
10-09-2011, 07:07 PM
If Kalil is there the Vikings take him without hesitation.

Vikes must have big plans in FA for a WR in 2012.

Robcards
10-09-2011, 07:10 PM
4. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil - T - USC
Percy Harvin is not and will not never be a #1 WR that cannot pass on Blackmon if he is there.

I've been told by Vikings fans than LT is a bigger need than WR.

5. Arizona Cardinals - Landry Jones - QB - Oklahoma
No possible way this pick would make sense when they traded valuable assets for Kolb which indicates he is their QB of the future.

This is actually my own personal opinion. I think Kolb is crap and the Cardinals finish 4-12 or 5-11 and draft a QB. Could be Jones to Seahawks and Blackmon here, but I just think the Cardinals eat it on the Kolb thing, going 4-12 or 5-11 in the NFC West is like going 2-14 in any other division.

9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Alfonzo Dennard - CB - Nebraska
Claiborne is actually the #1 CB prospect as of right now. He has so much value right now.

The CBs are all close in value. I didn't want to change the Claiborne to Oakland pick and I know Kirkpatrick has dropped in value. Who knows which order they will go come draft day.

13. Dallas Cowboys - Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Florida State
You don't think they would take a secondary guy with Jenkins being "suspect" & Newman aging?

This is a BPA and fit pick. Jenkins would compliment the Cowboys form of 3-4 defense very well in my opinion.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Riley Reiff - T - Iowa
Barber is getting older by the 3 & outs and Talib is ever so troublesome.

Also a BPA pick and I read the TB team forum quite a bit to try to find a need and there's quite a debate over there, some think DB some think DB is absolutely not a need, some think LB, some OL, etc etc so just put BPA here.

24. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) - Brandon Thompson - DT - Clemson
I believe Lamar Miller has great value here with this pick, especially with Hillis being rumored for forcing a "trade".

Miller's value certainly is increasing, but if anything I think the Pats pick him, not the Browns. Haven't been reading about the Hillis situation but hasn't Hardesty been getting better?

30. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Janoris Jenkins - CB - North Alabama
Does this mean Dowling slides over to Safety?

It means the Patriots have the worst pass defense in the league and I would think they would try to improve it with one of their 2 1st round picks, that's all. The Pats aren't particularly known for drafting need and often just draft for value too, and Jenkins at 30 is close to BPA.

Pat Sims 90
10-09-2011, 07:12 PM
Kirkpatrick is fine but would not rule out Jenkins if the Bengals are picking that low.

FuzzyGopher
10-09-2011, 07:21 PM
Vikes must have big plans in FA for a WR in 2012.

LT is far and away a much bigger need than WR.

vidae
10-09-2011, 07:40 PM
There aren't 43835 players better than Coples. Also your team boards seem to think d-line needs addressing. I'd take their opinion over yours, which is awful since you think QB and HB are the Chiefs biggest needs.

Show me one Chiefs fan who thinks DE is a bigger need than QB.

No, nepg is a Patriots fan, he doesn't count.

bored of education
10-09-2011, 07:40 PM
There aren't 43835 players better than Coples. Also your team boards seem to think d-line needs addressing. I'd take their opinion over yours, which is awful since you think QB and HB are the Chiefs biggest needs.

Well, the Chiefs run a 3-4 and they don't need another OLB. If anything they need a 5 tech or NT, or an ILB on defense before an OLB.

Right now needs as follows:
1. QB
2. RT
3. ILB
then whatever

Robcards
10-09-2011, 07:45 PM
Show me one Chiefs fan who thinks DE is a bigger need than QB.

No, nepg is a Patriots fan, he doesn't count.

Who should I have the Chiefs take with their 6th pick in this mock then? Tannehill just because its their biggest need? Richardson even though they have a pro bowl HB already? Stop derailing my mocks

vidae
10-09-2011, 07:45 PM
Right now needs as follows:
1. QB
2. RT
3. ILB
then whatever

Your opinion is awful because you think QB is more important than DL. And DE isn't even on your top 3? Your opinion is way more awful than mine!

Robcards
10-09-2011, 07:46 PM
Well, the Chiefs run a 3-4 and they don't need another OLB. If anything they need a 5 tech or NT, or an ILB on defense before an OLB.

Right now needs as follows:
1. QB
2. RT
3. ILB
then whatever

Ok, I already stated it's a BPA pick, and Coples is 290 lbs so I doubt he'd be a 3-4 OLB. There aren't any QBs, RTs, or ILBs at the 6 spot that make sense. Not every pick in every mock is a need pick.

Also QB is not a need. There are teams with worse QBs than Cassel that don't consider QB a need, so I don't understand why every Chiefs fan thinks QB is a need. They also drafted Stanzi last year, give him a chance before drafting another one

Robcards
10-09-2011, 07:49 PM
Holy crap, you Chiefs fans need to learn how to read, seriously. I put a disclaimer at the top of my mock because I knew this would happen. I'll post it here, again, in bold, and hopefully you read it:

Before the Chiefs fans derail this thread, I have the Chiefs drafting 6th after Luck, Barkley, and Jones are gone, and RGIII not declaring, also read in the Chiefs team forum that the DL could use improvement and Coples is BPA at 6th there, so don't derail this saying Cassel sucks or whatever else. Thanks

aaaand again just to drive the point home, and keep in mind I wrote this before you monkeys started posting:

Before the Chiefs fans derail this thread, I have the Chiefs drafting 6th after Luck, Barkley, and Jones are gone, and RGIII not declaring, also read in the Chiefs team forum that the DL could use improvement and Coples is BPA at 6th there, so don't derail this saying Cassel sucks or whatever else. Thanks

vidae
10-09-2011, 07:51 PM
You said my opinion was awful because I said QB was more important than DL. You said the "other" Chiefs fans agreed that DL was more important. I said to provide one Chiefs fan who agreed with you, you haven't.

I don't care who you give us in your ****** mock, but don't insult me or spout off ridiculous nonsense without facts to back it up.

bored of education
10-09-2011, 07:53 PM
bro, relax. Coples just does not fit. I'd rather best CB than Coples

Hurricanes25
10-09-2011, 07:55 PM
Coples isn't a great fit in a 3-4. Left end in the 4-3 would be his best fit.

bored of education
10-09-2011, 07:57 PM
I just noticed you gave the Cardinals Landry Jones, do they trade Kolb, cut him? Even if the Cards win 3 games they need to address oline, secondary, DL, RB, fans, rain, more than QB

T-RICH49
10-09-2011, 09:00 PM
I want Richardson in that scenario.don't know how Jamaal is gonna come back from ACL surgery and Thomas Jones is done

Vaylor
10-09-2011, 09:05 PM
If the Patriots were to take a DB in the first, it would have to be someone who can play safety. The team has nothing at the position after Chung.

Plus I don't see the Patriots drafting another small corner anyway.

Bald_81
10-09-2011, 11:57 PM
Blackmon instead of Jeffery to the Rams and I'm fine with their mock.

Robcards
10-10-2011, 02:45 PM
Not every pick is a need pick. Some are bpa

DiG
10-10-2011, 02:51 PM
Kuechly is a fine pick for the Skins.

marshallb
10-10-2011, 02:56 PM
Vikes must have big plans in FA for a WR in 2012.

Not necessarily, our OL is just that bad. Yea, we definitely need a WR, but we also need a franchise LT to protect our franchise QB or he'll get killed as Charlie Johnson doesn't belong at LT at all and there's a damn good chance that he'd get Ponder killed. It's much easier to find a #1 WR in the 2nd round and later than it is to find franchise LT.

coordinator0
10-10-2011, 03:17 PM
TE is a terrible pick for the Ravens regardless if he's the BPA, we just don't need one. Dickson and Pitta have both played well this year (last season Heap was the only option at TE that got any real looks in the passing game, and that's a big reason why neither did anything) and drafting another TE makes no sense at all.

Bills2083
10-10-2011, 09:08 PM
I just noticed you gave the Cardinals Landry Jones, do they trade Kolb, cut him? Even if the Cards win 3 games they need to address oline, secondary, DL, RB, fans, rain, more than QB

I agree.
No way they end the Kolb experiment after just one season...

redbills
10-10-2011, 10:04 PM
Courtney Upshaw would be a nice pick. Dre Kirkpatrick would be a good one as well.

KCStud
10-10-2011, 10:35 PM
Show me one Chiefs fan who thinks DE is a bigger need than QB.

No, nepg is a Patriots fan, he doesn't count.

Here's one that thinks that. At that point we can't get a legit QB and we are dead last in sacks with 5. We need a pass rush. Flowers and Carr are getting burned because of this.

TheMatriculator
10-10-2011, 11:12 PM
Before the Chiefs fans derail this thread, I have the Chiefs drafting 6th after Luck, Barkley, and Jones are gone, and RGIII not declaring, also read in the Chiefs team forum that the DL could use improvement and Coples is BPA at 6th there, so don't derail this saying Cassel sucks or whatever else. Thanks.

6. Kansas City Chiefs - Quinton Coples - DE - North Carolina


I understand the BPA thing but Coples is a 4-3 DE (Kiper calls him a "a pure 4-3 defensive end") and the Chiefs play a 3-4 and have been committed to that scheme since Pioli and company got here.

vidae
10-11-2011, 01:04 AM
Here's one that thinks that. At that point we can't get a legit QB and we are dead last in sacks with 5. We need a pass rush. Flowers and Carr are getting burned because of this.

You don't improve a 3-4 pass rush by trying to fit a pure 4-3 defensive end into our scheme. That makes zero sense.

KCStud
10-11-2011, 05:21 PM
You don't improve a 3-4 pass rush by trying to fit a pure 4-3 defensive end into our scheme. That makes zero sense.

I agree. My sentiment is we need some kind of pass rush. Jared Crick could easily be a better 3-4 DE than what we have.

bored of education
10-11-2011, 05:35 PM
Jared Crick is a weaker version of Carriker. I wouldnt touch him in the top 15.

49erbound
10-11-2011, 06:29 PM
Bad pick for the 49ers. They've used too many high picks on Guards and RT's, they need to start developing later low value positions into capable starters instead of reaching for positions.


Janoris Jenkins CB would be my pick for the 49ers.

prock
10-12-2011, 02:11 PM
Constructive criticism in Bold

You couldn't be more wrong in your evaluation of the Vikings pick. Kalil is spot on. **** a WR when you don't have an offensive line.

Menardo75
10-12-2011, 10:41 PM
49er fans won't like the pick, because of all the high ones used on OL lately but I love it.

Matthew Jones
10-13-2011, 12:11 PM
I like the value on Worthy, and the Patriots do like drafting defensive linemen, but the Patriots have so much defensive tackle depth that it's hard to get really excited about that one. I really doubt they take Jenkins considering the investments they've made at CB the past couple years and the fact that he probably won't get a glowing review from Urban Meyer or the Florida program.

ChicagoBearsVet23
10-13-2011, 11:15 PM
Solid Bear pick

nepg
10-14-2011, 02:27 AM
Coples is a great player, but doesn't fit what the Chiefs are doing. Crick would be an outstanding fit for them, though. The problem with the pass rush really isn't so much the pass rushers themselves, but the players around them. Houston, Sheffield, and Studebaker are more than solid opposite Hali. One factor is that they just aren't asked to rush the passer that often, the other is that the base defense isn't all that strong in that area.

Another thing is adding a super talented player like Vontaze Burfict next to Derrick Johnson would really open up the things this defense is capable of. Much stronger interior rush, less predictability, et al.