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ATLDirtyBirds
10-10-2011, 10:52 AM
The Kam Chancellor talk in the Week 5 Discussion Thread kind of spurred this thread. While most of us try and watch as much football as possible, some people get to see players (especially their own) more than others. This can be somewhat like that J-Mike thread where everyone asked about a bunch of never was players, but with actual legitimate contributors in the NFL.


So, here's a few guys I'm curious about.


Michael Johnson, Bengals
Chris Long, Rams
Joe Haden, Browns
Maurkice Pouncey, Steelers
Mike Pouncey, Dolphins
Adrian Wilson, Cardinals
Kevin Williams, Vikings
Louis Delmas, Lions
Brian Cushing, Texans

ImBrotherCain
10-10-2011, 11:23 AM
Maurkice Pouncey had a great season last year but has been beat up most of the beginning of this season. From the games I have seen hes looked alright but nothing near the level he played last season.

He did have a great block when he pulled yesterday despite being gimpy.

bernbabybern820
10-10-2011, 11:27 AM
Don't really watch the Texans much but Brian Cushing looked like the best player on the field in yesterday's Raiders vs. Texans game. Totally bullied the Raiders including McFadden.

CC.SD
10-10-2011, 11:38 AM
I'd love an update on Rey Mauluga and Laron Landry if someone has noticed them lately.

I saw Mike Pouncey (Dolphins) getting pushed around a bit by Antonio Garay but they also had some good plays in the running game he must have been a part of.

BeerBaron
10-10-2011, 11:41 AM
I'd love an update on Rey Mauluga and Laron Landry if someone has noticed them lately.

I saw Mike Pouncey (Dolphins) getting pushed around a bit by Antonio Garay but they also had some good plays in the running game he must have been a part of.

Landry was an animal last year. I think they're using him in more of a Polamalu-type rover role, in which he's excelling. He missed the first two games this year with a hamstring injury though iirc.

tjsunstein
10-10-2011, 11:53 AM
Muhammad Wilkerson, Jets
Tyson Alualu, Jaguars
Dan Williams, Cardinals

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 01:54 PM
This is a good thread. I was going to make a thread about 2nd and 3rd year players. This is basically it.


Michael Johnson, Bengals
Chris Long, Rams
Joe Haden, Browns
Maurkice Pouncey, Steelers
Adrian Wilson, Cardinals
Michael Johnson is a solid contributor on a very solid defense (ranked #1). He plays fairly well in just about every facet of the game, but he isn't really special at anything. He's a good, solid player who's turned into their everyday starter this season. He's the type of player that could be upgraded, but they aren't in any rush to do so because he plays well enough.

Chris Long looked like he was coming on last year and finally developing into something that resembled a high first round pick, but like pretty much every player the Rams have, he seems to have regressed. He plays small and is very weak against the run, almost to the point where he is a liability. He just isn't, and never was, that elite level pass rusher. His motor is one of the best, but he's just too small at times. I almost think he'd best suited for a 34 defense.

Joe Haden is a monster. He's already one of the best CBs in the NFL. He has been the only CB to shut down AJ Green (Green had one catch on a botched play by the defense where CIN caught the Browns in a huddle and no one was covering Green). He's a stud and well on his way to solidifying himself as a Top 5 CB in the NFL in the very near future.

Maurkice Pouncey was great last year, and I mean great. He had a better rookie season than Nick Mangold did when he was a rookie. He was an All-Pro and one of the best offensive players the Steelers had last year. This year, he has taken a step back and doesn't look the same, probably due to injuries. He is, far and away, the best offensive linemen they have. Still a very solid player, but not anywhere near the elite level play he was at last year. He's probably the 5th, or so, best Center in the game still with Eric Wood really emerging into that group.

Adrian Wilson's career is quickly deteriorating (pretty much since their Super Bowl run). He's turned into an in-the-box safety who's really limited against the pass. He's also playing with one of the worst safeties in the NFL right now in Rhodes, but he's not nearly the same player and not much of a playmaker. I wouldn't even consider him a Top 10 safety anymore.

Rey Mauluga has been very good. He's pretty much assumed the leadership role of the defense. He always will be a bit of a liability against the pass, but he's solid in run support and, I believe, leading the team in tackles. He's a solid player, but nothing really special. Still a big hitter and still makes mistakes, but he has more good plays then bad plays. He's a solid MLB. Bengals don't have to worry about the position for the next 5 or 7 years.

PoopSandwich
10-10-2011, 02:32 PM
Joe Haden is unbelievable, if the dude played for a more notable team he would be getting compared to Revis already. I was trying to point out last year that Haden was doing well and I didn't get why he was never even in the discussion with McCourty but this year he has been absolutely lights out.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-10-2011, 02:37 PM
Pretty much confirms what I've seen from Haden and Pouncey. Just wanted to make sure I didn't catch them on good and bad days, respectively.

I saw his 2 picks and I've heard his name a few times, but how about Dwight Lowery?

marshallb
10-10-2011, 02:50 PM
Kevin Williams was suspended for the first two games due to the StarCaps case, and had hurt his foot late in the preseason, so he's not playing at 100% right now, but he hasn't been his dominant old self. He's done well holding up against the run inside, but hasn't gotten much of anything as far as pressuring the QB which is disappointing given how well Jared Allen and Brian Robison have done rushing from the outside.

DraftSavant
10-10-2011, 02:53 PM
Pretty much confirms what I've seen from Haden and Pouncey. Just wanted to make sure I didn't catch them on good and bad days, respectively.

I saw his 2 picks and I've heard his name a few times, but how about Dwight Lowery?

He's currently the best defensive player on the Jacksonville roster.

Alualu has been hampered by a knee injury and cannot even defeat single blocks where he has a gap advantage.

Mr. Goosemahn
10-10-2011, 06:48 PM
To me, it seems Pouncey is just not comfortable out on the field. He is still great at pulling and whatnot, but I thinks it's very obvious he's not exactly very confident playing alongside the guys he's playing. And I don't blame him at all.

Here are the different interior offensive lines Pouncey's played with this season alone:

Kemoeatu - Pouncey - Legursky
Kemoeatu - Pouncey - Foster
Legursky - Pouncey - Foster
Foster - Pouncey - Legursky

Add in the fact that we've had four different guys playing LT (Scott, Gilbert, Essex, Starks) and three different guys at RT too (Colon, Gilbert, Scott) and it's not too hard to see why Pouncey just isn't comfortable.

Last year the interior offensive line was Kemoeatu - Pouncey - Foster for virtually all season. Even though Kemo and Foster aren't great, at least there was some continuity and could gel together. This year it's just a never-ending carousel of mediocrity.

MetSox17
10-10-2011, 07:03 PM
How's Gaines Adams doing?

BeerBaron
10-10-2011, 07:04 PM
That's not cool.

mqtirishfan
10-10-2011, 07:04 PM
How's Gaines Adams doing?

I'm going to score this a 0/10.

CC.SD
10-10-2011, 07:05 PM
How's Gaines Adams doing?

Well he still can't seal the edge off....

Brent
10-10-2011, 07:06 PM
How's Gaines Adams doing?
About as well as Darrent Williams. I hear Adams is a bit of deadweight on that team, though.

MetSox17
10-10-2011, 07:09 PM
About as well as Darrent Williams. I hear Adams is a bit of deadweight on that team, though.

Yeah, i hear he has a hard time getting his hand off the ground.

tjsunstein
10-10-2011, 07:11 PM
Well he still can't seal the edge off....
That's like saying Chris Henry lacked body control in the air.

CC.SD
10-10-2011, 07:11 PM
Yeah, i hear he has a hard time getting his hand off the ground.

Who has more value right now Vernon Gholston or Gaines Adams

That's like saying Chris Henry lacked body control in the air.

bahahaa so awful

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 07:11 PM
The two best plankers left in the NFL: Gaines Adams, Chris Henry.

keylime_5
10-10-2011, 07:13 PM
Joe Haden is unbelievable, if the dude played for a more notable team he would be getting compared to Revis already. I was trying to point out last year that Haden was doing well and I didn't get why he was never even in the discussion with McCourty but this year he has been absolutely lights out.

he basically shut down AJ Green, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, and Nate Washington when he was covering them. Sucks that he sprained his knee against the Titans, he might miss a week or at least not be 100% for a little bit.

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 07:16 PM
he basically shut down AJ Green, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, and Nate Washington when he was covering them. Sucks that he sprained his ankle against the Titans, he might miss a week or at least not be 100% for a little bit.
I really don't know if there is another CB, other than Revis, that I would take over Haden in the AFC. Maybe I'm just drawing a blank, but I really can't come up with one single name. Brandon Flowers looks awful this year and he's usually one of my favorite guys, but he's so bad it's a little shocking.

EDIT: Stanford Routt. He's up there.

Mr. Goosemahn
10-10-2011, 07:18 PM
How's Gaines Adams doing?

He plays stiff, no intensity, and is in a cold-streak.

Brent
10-10-2011, 07:21 PM
The two best plankers left in the NFL: Gaines Adams, Chris Henry.
Marquis Cooper and Corey Smith have really struggled to keep their heads above water. I guess you could say the same about Marquise Hill. And what happened to Kenny McKinley? That knee injury sure blew a hole in his career.

Raiderz4Life
10-10-2011, 07:22 PM
About as well as Darrent Williams. I hear Adams is a bit of deadweight on that team, though.

Least we can't say he doesn't have a lot of heart.

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 07:27 PM
And what happened to Kenny McKinley? That knee injury sure blew a hole in his career.
Yeah, same goes for Burress who can't even shoot himself in the foot without missing his leg.


Oh, and Mike Vick forces dogs to rape each other just so that he can kill them later. That no good ******* piece of ****.


And to get back on topic, Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

Breed
10-10-2011, 07:31 PM
Dead people jokes, this thread is very classy.

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 07:32 PM
Dead people jokes, this thread is very classy.
Thanks 2Pac. Now go **** yourself.

tjsunstein
10-10-2011, 07:37 PM
Damien Nash was never a slam dunk, what happened to him?

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 07:40 PM
Damien Nash was never a slam dunk, what happened to him?
I think the same thing that happened to Korey Stringer: Couldn't hold his water.

But I could be wrong.

Brown Leader
10-10-2011, 07:42 PM
This is a good thread. I was going to make a thread about 2nd and 3rd year players. This is basically it.


Michael Johnson is a solid contributor on a very solid defense (ranked #1). He plays fairly well in just about every facet of the game, but he isn't really special at anything. He's a good, solid player who's turned into their everyday starter this season. He's the type of player that could be upgraded, but they aren't in any rush to do so because he plays well enough.

Adrian Wilson's career is quickly deteriorating (pretty much since their Super Bowl run). He's turned into an in-the-box safety who's really limited against the pass. He's also playing with one of the worst safeties in the NFL right now in Rhodes, but he's not nearly the same player and not much of a playmaker. I wouldn't even consider him a Top 10 safety anymore.

Rey Mauluga has been very good. He's pretty much assumed the leadership role of the defense. He always will be a bit of a liability against the pass, but he's solid in run support and, I believe, leading the team in tackles. He's a solid player, but nothing really special. Still a big hitter and still makes mistakes, but he has more good plays then bad plays. He's a solid MLB. Bengals don't have to worry about the position for the next 5 or 7 years.

Agree with the others but these I see a little differently.

M.Johnson as a prospect was completely inept against the run. He looked like he'd have to play OLB because of that liability or at best a pass rush specialist. The fact that he's now a starting end in his 3rd season and doing everything pretty well for a good defense is impressive. He still has plenty of upside and room for improvement.

Wilson should not even be playing this season. He's got a torn bicep. It's tough to judge how much that's affecting his play but it's got to have a substantial impact.

Mauluga I'd say has been disappointing in the middle. He misses a ton of tackles and has not made any impact plays thus far. He's not playing terribly but there's a significant drop off from Dhani. Any Bengals fan on here say different?

he basically shut down AJ Green, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Marshall, and Nate Washington when he was covering them. Sucks that he sprained his ankle against the Titans, he might miss a week or at least not be 100% for a little bit.

It's a sprained knee so a little more cause for concern.

Brent
10-10-2011, 07:44 PM
I think the same thing that happened to Korey Stringer: Couldn't hold his water.
he started the 2001 season hot, but I guess he really cooled off.

CC.SD
10-10-2011, 07:45 PM
Hey what happened to Al Davis I guess he ran of victims to completely drain of blood oh wait I forgot to add a joke. IN BEFORE THE LOCK.

Seriously though, what's the story on Sims-Walker ending up a Ram? Wasn't he pretty functional for Jacksonville? Now their cupboard is empty.

Raiderz4Life
10-10-2011, 07:46 PM
Hey what happened to Al Davis I guess he ran of victims to completely drain of blood oh wait I forgot to add a joke. IN BEFORE THE LOCK.

Seriously though, what's the story on Sims-Walker ending up a Ram? Wasn't he pretty functional for Jacksonville? Now their cupboard is empty.

Too soon man...too soon....needa wait a lil longer -__-

CC.SD
10-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Too soon man...too soon....needa wait a lil longer -__-

You're right, you're right. If I had waited a little longer I could have said that all the dead guys in this thread just got signed by Al Davis.

Seriously though if there's football in the afterlife he's running it now. This is fact.

keylime_5
10-10-2011, 08:06 PM
It's a sprained knee so a little more cause for concern.

yep, i misremembered.

keylime_5
10-10-2011, 08:07 PM
steve mcnair

ATLDirtyBirds
10-10-2011, 08:09 PM
I think we all know how dead players are doing.

Wootylicous
10-10-2011, 08:10 PM
Whatever happened to Earl Bennett

BeerBaron
10-10-2011, 09:17 PM
Whatever happened to Earl Bennett

He got jacked up by the Saints and hasn't played since. (No flag was called for hitting a defenseless receiver though...)

ChiFan24
10-10-2011, 09:22 PM
Whatever happened to Earl Bennett

He's alive.

Philliez01
10-10-2011, 09:43 PM
Rae Carruth has been called lazy at times, makes others do all the work.

BigBanger
10-10-2011, 09:49 PM
He's alive.

Has this been confirmed?

Bengalsrocket
10-10-2011, 10:50 PM
Mauluga I'd say has been disappointing in the middle. He misses a ton of tackles and has not made any impact plays thus far. He's not playing terribly but there's a significant drop off from Dhani. Any Bengals fan on here say different?


He's basically the exact same thing as Dhani only younger and faster. He's going to run around and make a lot of tackles (I don't know how you get he misses tackles, because that's basically his strong point). I feel like he's a slight improvement to Dhani in that his speed and ability to occasionally rush more than makes up for what he lacks in coverage (which he's asked to do a lot less than Dhani ever was because the coaching staff seems to know it is his weakness).

Brown Leader
10-11-2011, 12:58 AM
He's basically the exact same thing as Dhani only younger and faster. He's going to run around and make a lot of tackles (I don't know how you get he misses tackles, because that's basically his strong point). I feel like he's a slight improvement to Dhani in that his speed and ability to occasionally rush more than makes up for what he lacks in coverage (which he's asked to do a lot less than Dhani ever was because the coaching staff seems to know it is his weakness).

I expected him to break out this year in the middle. In a sense I guess he has, in that the team defense is good, and he's a part of that, but I was thinking individually he would break out and that hasn't really happened. In the SF game, he missed a bunch of tackles he should have made-and he's been knocked for that before this season. His tackles numbers are good because he's active and getting a lot of assists but Dhani was a better one on one tackler. Also expecting more thumping hits from him-again something Dhani seemed to do a little more of as a MLB.

Flyboy
10-11-2011, 01:28 AM
He got jacked up by the Saints and hasn't played since. (No flag was called for hitting a defenseless receiver though...)

I'm pretty sure he wasn't defenseless at the time of the hit.. Roman Harper just happened to rock him.

Complex
10-11-2011, 01:35 AM
What happen to Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren,Williams Green and Brady Quinn?

RCAChainGang
10-11-2011, 01:37 AM
Trindon Holiday?
Love that guy! (Geaux Tigers)
http://youtu.be/Lt-KZ4VwPkk

soybean
10-11-2011, 02:18 AM
What happen to Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gerard Warren,Williams Green and Brady Quinn?

booked a red eye flight yesterday to japan because his gf, a american gymnast ruptured her achilles tendon.

also, pretty ****** up for the broncos to lead him on making him think he was the broncos second string qb when they had no intention of ever letting him play.

Breed
10-11-2011, 02:31 AM
What happened to Roy Williams (safety)

BigBanger
10-11-2011, 01:01 PM
I expected him to break out this year in the middle. In a sense I guess he has, in that the team defense is good, and he's a part of that, but I was thinking individually he would break out and that hasn't really happened. In the SF game, he missed a bunch of tackles he should have made-and he's been knocked for that before this season. His tackles numbers are good because he's active and getting a lot of assists but Dhani was a better one on one tackler. Also expecting more thumping hits from him-again something Dhani seemed to do a little more of as a MLB.
I think it depends on your expectations. I had low expectations and never thought Rey had Pro Bowl potential coming into the NFL, and I still don't see that kind of potential. Right now, he is having his best season, which isn't anything all too special. He does over pursue, play with poor discipline and miss tackles that he should be making, but that's who he is and its what he's always done. I don't think he's the type of player that ever blows up one year. He has almost no potential to get better and he was the same way in college. Produced early and then leveled off. I think this is just about as good as you are ever going to see him. He's a solid player. He's not great, he's not bad, he's just solid. And he's not a great talent to begin with. He's always been more hype than anything else, but since that hype has leveled off, he's enjoying a mediocre career and not being called one of the best MLBs in the game. If he actually went in the top 10 like people were saying, which was never going to happen but if it did happen, then he'd probably be disappointing to a lot of people. The same kind of disappointing that Andre Smith has become -- who is turning into a serviceable RT. He's (Andre Smith) not a terrible player to have, but he wasn't worth a Top 10 pick.


M.Johnson as a prospect was completely inept against the run. He looked like he'd have to play OLB because of that liability or at best a pass rush specialist. The fact that he's now a starting end in his 3rd season and doing everything pretty well for a good defense is impressive. He still has plenty of upside and room for improvement.

I think the same thing goes for Michael Johnson. Expectations. You said you saw things a little differently than what I said about him, but then you said basically the same thing I said about him. You had low expectations of him coming in and believed him to be more of a situational player only (from the sounds of it). Then you see that he is starting and play fairly well in all aspects of the game and you become impressed, to a degree, of what he's become. He's a capable starter. It's really nothing to be impressed with unless you had very low expectations. He's just a solid player.


Mauluga I'd say has been disappointing in the middle. He misses a ton of tackles and has not made any impact plays thus far. He's not playing terribly but there's a significant drop off from Dhani. Any Bengals fan on here say different?

I think this highlights it. You said Mauluga has been disappointing when he's been a solid player for them, but you think Johnson has been impressive for starting and not being a liability against the run. Again, I think it comes back to your expectations for both. Johnson is not outplaying Mauluga by any margin. Neither are overly impressive.

shylo3716
10-11-2011, 01:19 PM
The Kam Chancellor talk in the Week 5 Discussion Thread kind of spurred this thread.

What did I miss on Kam?

soybean
10-14-2011, 12:43 AM
How's Keith Rivers being doing?

Pat Sims 90
10-14-2011, 12:58 AM
How's Keith Rivers being doing?

Hurt right could end the season on IR. He is solid when playing but not great.

XxXdragonXxX
10-14-2011, 01:17 AM
What did I miss on Kam?

Started here when I said the Seahawks had the best safeties in the NFL.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2704783#post2704783

Nobody else seemed to know who Kam Chancellor was.

Brown Leader
10-14-2011, 02:11 AM
Started here when I said the Seahawks had the best safeties in the NFL.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2704783#post2704783

Nobody else seemed to know who Kam Chancellor was.

I'm a fan. Drafted him in fantasy. Had a feeling he was going to be solid after watching him this pre-season. Really wanted the Browns to draft him.

nepg
10-14-2011, 02:12 AM
Started here when I said the Seahawks had the best safeties in the NFL.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2704783#post2704783

Nobody else seemed to know who Kam Chancellor was.
Everyone who is a fan of the draft knows who Kam Chancellor is... If they don't, they need to turn in their draftnik cards and gtfo, imho. It's a solid duo, but best? Dunno about that. Landry/Atogwe is fairly beastly.

Caulibflower
10-14-2011, 02:30 AM
Started here when I said the Seahawks had the best safeties in the NFL.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2704783#post2704783

Nobody else seemed to know who Kam Chancellor was.

I was paying attention to him coming out of Virginia Tech. Think I even started a thread once, wondering if he could play linebacker. Just a fast, roving, really big hitter.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-14-2011, 08:38 AM
Everyone who is a fan of the draft knows who Kam Chancellor is... If they don't, they need to turn in their draftnik cards and gtfo, imho. It's a solid duo, but best? Dunno about that. Landry/Atogwe is fairly beastly.

It wasn't so much as people didn't know who he was, but rather they were unfamiliar with the level he was playing at, because who the **** gets the opportunity to watch a lot of Seahawks games?

I'm a fan. Drafted him in fantasy. Had a feeling he was going to be solid after watching him this pre-season. Really wanted the Browns to draft him.


On this note, how's TJ Ward doing? I know Browns fans were all over his **** for a while here.

DraftSavant
10-14-2011, 10:44 AM
Started here when I said the Seahawks had the best safeties in the NFL.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2704783#post2704783

Nobody else seemed to know who Kam Chancellor was.

On that note, Earl Thomas is turning into a VERY good NFL safety. Was worried about his size, but it's not an issue for him.

themaninblack
10-14-2011, 03:50 PM
I think Maualuga's gotten better the past few weeks. In the beginning of the year he was really messing up with pursuit and tackling but it seems like he's improving in those areas. That play he had to break up a sure fire TD to Marcedes Lewis last week was pretty special. He has the ability to be more than just a 'solid' player to be sure. IMO he could end up being a top of the line thumper in the run game and an above average coverage defender if he keeps his head on straight.

MJ has been very impressive to me even before this year. I've been to just about every Bengals home game this year and last and I've seen him give some very good LTs all they could handle, including Joe Thomas. He's got plenty to work on certainly but I think he could be a special player. He's very solid in the run game and gets pressure pretty consistently. Him and Dunlap on the field on 3rd downs is a pretty awesome sight to see. MJ could very well end up being a Pro Bowl caliber player in the future though it is very early so we shall see.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-14-2011, 05:35 PM
On that note, Earl Thomas is turning into a VERY good NFL safety. Was worried about his size, but it's not an issue for him.

Tremendous range.

shylo3716
10-14-2011, 05:59 PM
I was paying attention to him coming out of Virginia Tech. Think I even started a thread once, wondering if he could play linebacker. Just a fast, roving, really big hitter.

He was a HS QB, but fell victim like every other local recruit due to Tyrod Taylor. I'm from the Tidewater area so I know about Kam.

Cudders
10-15-2011, 04:21 AM
On this note, how's TJ Ward doing? I know Browns fans were all over his **** for a while here.

Explosive hitter, fills against the run, comfortable dropping down in the box, struggles in man coverage against backs or tight ends due to stiff hips, appears lost for stretches adapting to Jauron's zone coverage schemes. His limitations in man are what they are and they will always be there. In fact, plenty of strong safeties have the same limitations. If he can't get a firmer mental grasp on zone concepts though, you're looking at a rather pedestrian strong safety. Solid, maybe, if the scheme hides him and minimizes his exposure as much as possible. But nothing spectacular or unreplaceable. He can be that roving eighth defender against the run and a big-hitter with straight-line speed on special teams, but he needs to develop between the ears to become a better player in zone. Otherwise he will be a frustrating liability in a league that's gravitating toward high-flying passing attacks. Personally, I think a lot of fans handed out a favorable career projection way too early based on the fact that he stepped right in and blew people up as a rookie.

Jakey
10-15-2011, 05:56 AM
Explosive hitter, fills against the run, comfortable dropping down in the box, struggles in man coverage against backs or tight ends due to stiff hips, appears lost for stretches adapting to Jauron's zone coverage schemes. His limitations in man are what they are and they will always be there. In fact, plenty of strong safeties have the same limitations. If he can't get a firmer mental grasp on zone concepts though, you're looking at a rather pedestrian strong safety. Solid, maybe, if the scheme hides him and minimizes his exposure as much as possible. But nothing spectacular or unreplaceable. He can be that roving eighth defender against the run and a big-hitter with straight-line speed on special teams, but he needs to develop between the ears to become a better player in zone. Otherwise he will be a frustrating liability in a league that's gravitating toward high-flying passing attacks. Personally, I think a lot of fans handed out a favorable career projection way too early based on the fact that he stepped right in and blew people up as a rookie.

One of the most informed and unbiased posts i have seen in a while.

+rep good sir!

XxXdragonXxX
10-15-2011, 09:05 AM
He was a HS QB, but fell victim like every other local recruit due to Tyrod Taylor. I'm from the Tidewater area so I know about Kam.

Oh he used to play QB. No wonder, he always seems to know exactly what the QB is thinking.

shylo3716
10-15-2011, 09:10 AM
Oh he used to play QB. No wonder, he always seems to know exactly what the QB is thinking.

He attended Matthew Fontaine Maury High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Fontaine_Maury_High_School) where he played basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_basketball) and football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_school_football) as a quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback)and safety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_(American_football_position)). As a senior in 2006, he recorded more than 2,000 passing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_pass) yards and 500 rushing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(American_football)) yards and led his team to a 10–2 record and an appearance in the Group AAA Division 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_High_School_League) playoffs. Chancellor was named the team's most valuable player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_valuable_player), and he was also placed on the All-Eastern District (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_Eastern_District) first team and The Virginian-Pilot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Virginian-Pilot) All-Tidewater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidewater_region_of_Virginia) second team. Rivals.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivals.com) assessed him as the 27th-ranked pro-style quarterback prospect in the nation and the 20th-ranked player in the state of Virginia. SuperPrep and The Roanoke Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Roanoke_Times) rated him the 21st-ranked player in the state.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kam_Chancellor#cite_note-bio-0) Scout.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout.com) assessed Chancellor as a two-star recruit and he accepted a scholarship offer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_scholarship) from Virginia Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_Hokies_football).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kam_Chancellor#cite_note-1)

NY+Giants=NYG
10-15-2011, 09:53 AM
What happened to our former DC, Tim Lewis?

Giantsfan1080
10-15-2011, 10:03 AM
What happened to our former DC, Tim Lewis?

Secondary coach for the Falcons.

MetSox17
10-15-2011, 11:36 AM
One of the most informed and unbiased posts i have seen in a while.

+rep good sir!

Exactly what i thought.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-15-2011, 11:50 AM
Secondary coach for the Falcons.


Not exactly impressive.

NY+Giants=NYG
10-15-2011, 01:20 PM
Not exactly impressive.

He is even worse as a DC.

bigbluedefense
10-16-2011, 08:41 AM
Tim Lewis was the worst defensive coordinator I've ever seen. And I've seen some bad ones.

I'll never forget the game against Seattle. Holmgren came out 4 wide to start the game, and for some unknown reason, Tim Lewis thought we should defend that with our base 4-3 front. Even worse, he called Cover 2 EVERY single play the first half. We might have called Cover 3 once or twice, but it was basic Cover 2 EVERY play.

They didn't have a single 3rd down the whole first half, and they scored touchdowns on their first 4 drives I believe. Score was 28-0 before you can bat an eye.

To be fair, this is how I recall it, I might be slightly off, but it was very similar to how I describe it.

It was a joke. They basically just streaked all 4 guys every play, the Safeties could only pick up 2, and he had 2 guys running downfield wide open on every play.

Yet Lewis kept calling the same play over and over and over again, and still kept our base 4-3 out there. If I didn't know any better, I would have swore he put money on that game. It was the single worst defensive playcalling game I've ever seen in my life.

The sad part is....that game pretty much described the Tim Lewis era in NY. Watching our CBs play literally 15 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 1, seeing the qb just hike the ball and throw it to his WR and watch him rip off 7 yards before anyone could tackle him then smirk at our stupidity was just frustrating.

God I hate Tim Lewis. He scarred me for life.

bigbluedefense
10-16-2011, 08:52 AM
How's Reggie Nelson doing? I was one of the biggest Reggie Nelson fans on this board when he was a prospect. I'm very disappointed in him.

With his range, I thought he was going to be everything Earl Thomas is today. But what I failed to recognize is that he never tackled anyone in college, he just tried to "erase" them, and he's dumb as an ox, so all he did was play single high all game long in college.

I underestimated his stupidity, and always thought you can teach him how to tackle. Boy was I wrong.

Is he turning his career around in Cinncy or does he still suck?

Giantsfan1080
10-16-2011, 09:01 AM
Johhnie Lynn might have been worse than Lewis. Throw Sheridan in there and we've had some big misses.

bigbluedefense
10-16-2011, 09:12 AM
Johhnie Lynn might have been worse than Lewis. Throw Sheridan in there and we've had some big misses.

Lynn was awful too. I think our talent kind of sucked at the time as well though, so it wasn't all his fault.

Sheridan...he sucked. But he wasn't as bad as we thought he was. From an X and O standpoint, he was decent. He just had no other qualities you look for in a coach. He was like a robot.

Tim Lewis was just terrible all over. I give Lewis the edge over both of them.

XxXdragonXxX
10-16-2011, 09:49 AM
How's Kelly Jennings doing Bengals fans?

Unbiased
10-16-2011, 11:12 AM
Muhammad Wilkerson, Jets
Tyson Alualu, Jaguars
Dan Williams, Cardinals

Alualu has been a disappointment this year. I haven't been able to see every game, but he's not getting the same kind of pressure he was as a rookie. I think not having a pass rusher in there like Kampman who draws attention has hit him because Kampman didn't play the second half of the season last year and that's when Tyson's pressure dropped.

Unbiased
10-16-2011, 11:15 AM
How's Reggie Nelson doing? I was one of the biggest Reggie Nelson fans on this board when he was a prospect. I'm very disappointed in him.

With his range, I thought he was going to be everything Earl Thomas is today. But what I failed to recognize is that he never tackled anyone in college, he just tried to "erase" them, and he's dumb as an ox, so all he did was play single high all game long in college.

I underestimated his stupidity, and always thought you can teach him how to tackle. Boy was I wrong.

Is he turning his career around in Cinncy or does he still suck?

Based on what I have heard from Bengals fans, he has been a lot better for them than he was for the Jags. He was the one who blew that coverage last week against Jason Hill, though. You have to be smart to be a safety. He just never had it. Shame, because he had a great rookie year playing next to Sammy Knight.

themaninblack
10-16-2011, 11:59 PM
How's Reggie Nelson doing? I was one of the biggest Reggie Nelson fans on this board when he was a prospect. I'm very disappointed in him.

With his range, I thought he was going to be everything Earl Thomas is today. But what I failed to recognize is that he never tackled anyone in college, he just tried to "erase" them, and he's dumb as an ox, so all he did was play single high all game long in college.

I underestimated his stupidity, and always thought you can teach him how to tackle. Boy was I wrong.

Is he turning his career around in Cinncy or does he still suck?

He forced two fumbles today including the one Carlos Dunlap returned for a TD to seal the game. Nelson has been a solid contributor for us thus far, he's great in the run game and seems to be in the right spots generally in pass coverage. He should've had a pick or two by now too, he's dropped a couple right in the bread basket.

themaninblack
10-17-2011, 12:01 AM
How's Kelly Jennings doing Bengals fans?

Haven't really gotten to see too much from him yet as he's been injured for much of the season.

I'm excited as hell to get Pac Man back this week, fwiw. Morgan Trent is simply not that good.

Pit Bull #53
10-17-2011, 12:30 PM
How about Dan Williams? Haven't heard anything on him since he was drafted

soybean
10-22-2011, 02:33 AM
How's Winston Justice doing?

Abaddon
10-22-2011, 03:10 AM
How's Winston Justice doing?

Osi!

(Sorry. Had to.)

Abaddon
10-22-2011, 03:12 AM
*patiently waiting for the Jerome Harrison jokes*

bam bam
10-22-2011, 03:24 AM
*patiently waiting for the Jerome Harrison jokes*

anyone who makes jokes about that needs to use their brian. In my head, those types are lumped together with the ever growing malevolent mass of sick minds that are a terminal leech sucking the soul away from society.

Abaddon
10-22-2011, 03:26 AM
Not unlike the people who take life far too seriously. As they say, you only get one, and nobody gets out alive.

prock
10-22-2011, 09:20 AM
How's Brandon Graham doing?

Rosebud
10-22-2011, 09:25 AM
anyone who makes jokes about that needs to use their brian. In my head, those types are lumped together with the ever growing malevolent mass of sick minds that are a terminal leech sucking the soul away from society.

My brian says that he would find a Jerome Harrison joke hilarious right about now.

MetSox17
10-22-2011, 01:49 PM
anyone who makes jokes about that needs to use their brian. In my head, those types are lumped together with the ever growing malevolent mass of sick minds that are a terminal leech sucking the soul away from society.

Not unlike the people who take life far too seriously. As they say, you only get one, and nobody gets out alive.

I think that flew right by you.

djp
10-22-2011, 01:58 PM
Guys I want to know about

- Eugene Monroe
- Allen Bailey
- Tyson Jackson
- Glenn Dorsey
- Trent Williams
- Jared Odrick
- Malcolm Jenkins
- Ziggy Hood
- Eben Britton
- Anthony Davis/Mike Iupati

Anyone help me out with these guys? Sorry, didn't go through the thread. My apologies if they've already been talked about.

Marino13
10-22-2011, 02:10 PM
Mike Pouncey has been above average for us. He's had a few mistakes, but the bigger problems have been Incognito, Carey, and Columbo. In fact, our worst run plays have come more from Incognito and Carey missing blocks.

Odrick was hurt in the first game last year and was on IR. He got a tipped INT in week 1 against Brady, but really hasn't done much to note since... THen again, most of our D hasn't... The coaching staff has made some questionable decisions when it comes to how some of our players are used (dropping Cam Wake into coverage 18 times against the Jets)

The Great Jonathan Vilma
10-22-2011, 02:17 PM
shame on all the people laughing at those that have passed. Completely uncalled for. Have fun, but have some class.

djp
10-22-2011, 04:49 PM
shame on all the people laughing at those that have passed. Completely uncalled for. Have fun, but have some class.

I cant believe you still have that quote in your sig. That was like 5 years ago, haha. That guy was a gong show.

phlysac
10-22-2011, 07:57 PM
- Anthony Davis/Mike Iupati


Anthony Davis has been terrible at times. He seems decently consistent in the run game, and definitely has a mean streak (which I love.) However, he has been beaten off the edge far too many times for my liking. He has also been a false-start machine. However, he came in this season in MUCH better shape than last season and since RG Chilo Rachal has been replaced as a starter by Adam Snyder, Davis has been showing improvement every game. I was worried about how he would handle Cliff Avril last weekend, but was more than happy to see Davis dominate him for the most part. He still had several false-start issues. He just turned 22, so I'm hopeful he'll begin to display his nastiness consistently. He should also stay away from Twitter.

Mike Iupati has been quietly sensational. He still has lapses in technique, which were expected considering he had virtually zero technique coming out of Idaho. If he solidifies that, he should be an elite LG for years. I was very worried that he wouldn't be able to crack his habit of grabbing, but happily, he has had very few holding penalties called on him. The main issues I've seen with him have been communication breakdowns with LT Joe Staley which have lead to several pressures and sacks. It's tough to say whose shoulder's those issues fall on because Staley has shown to be shaky at times.

With all of that said, Davis and Iupati seem to really be picking it up as Harbaugh and Roman's Power offense is maturing. If it clicks for them, it could be scary.

Brown Leader
10-26-2011, 05:33 PM
How's Orlando Franklin doing?

SickwithIt1010
10-26-2011, 05:46 PM
How's Brandon Graham doing?

Been hurt all year, suppose to be coming back in a week or 2 though.

wicket
10-26-2011, 05:57 PM
- Malcolm Jenkins


Good, not great, he is still developing the instincts as a safety. He is, to be quite honest, arguably the biggest victim in the refs overprotection or receivers as he has been called for a PF on completely legitimate hits a few times this season. Has still got a way to go but is basically developed into a center fielder given that his buddy at safety is virtually a linebakcer. Doing pretyt good overall, a bit more playmaking ability would be nice but itll come

T-RICH49
10-26-2011, 06:12 PM
- Allen Bailey
- Tyson Jackson
- Glenn Dorsey.

Bailey have'nt heard his name called much.T-Jax had by far his best game Sunday vs Oakland and Dorsey got off like the entire team to a slow start but starting to pick his play up

Breed
10-26-2011, 06:33 PM
How has Kyle Rudolph looked?

Splat
10-26-2011, 06:38 PM
How has Rudolph looked?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FPcyJ5EwpQM/SVKa5nrUf3I/AAAAAAAAAe4/ssnkVSf22aA/s400/162325__rudolph_l.jpg

CC.SD
10-26-2011, 07:04 PM
Does anyone know how Larry English is doing?

ChiFan24
10-26-2011, 08:02 PM
Where's yourfavestoner? I liked reading that guy's posts.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 10:46 PM
Does anyone know how Larry English is doing?

Foot surgery 2010.

Broke same foot in 2011. On IR.

Doesn't look good if he has recurring injuries.

Diehard
10-26-2011, 11:02 PM
How's Orlando Franklin doing?

Scary for opponents in the run game, scary for our QB in pass protect...

Actually, he's shown a lot of improvement overall, though the game against Miami certainly wasn't one of his best. He and Chris Kuper make a nice combo on the right side in the run game - Frankin road grades and Kuper has the technique and mobility to hit the second level.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-27-2011, 09:46 AM
How has Andre Smith and his man boobs been?

themaninblack
10-31-2011, 02:10 AM
How has Andre Smith and his man boobs been?

He's been pretty solid thus far. Continues to have some stupid false start penalties but other than that he's held his own.