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Ozzy
10-13-2011, 11:17 AM
Most recent mock draft, decided to try three rounds to try and get a feel for what players might go where.


1st Round
1. Indianapolis Colts - Andrew Luck QB RS JR Stanford
2. St. Louis Rams - Alshon Jeffery WR JR South Carolina
3. Miami Dolphins - Matt Barkley QB JR USC
4. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Kalil OT JR USC
5. Arizona Cardinals - Landry Jones QB JR Oklahoma
6. Kansas City Chiefs - Trent Richardson RB JR Alabama
7. Carolina Panthers - Quentin Coples DE SR UNC
8. Seattle Seahawks - Robert Griffin III QB JR Baylor
9. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Floyd WR SR Notre Dame
10. Denver Broncos - Dre Kirkpatrick CB JR Alabama
11. Chicago Bears - Jonathan Martin OT JR Stanford
12. Tennessee Titans - Justin Blackmon JR WR Oklahoma State
13. Dallas Cowboys - TJ McDonald FS JR USC
14. Washington Redskins - Jared Crick SR DE/DT Nebraska
15. Cleveland Browns - Morris Claiborne JR CB LSU
16. Philadelphia Eagles - Dwayne Allen RS JR TE Clemson
17. Buffalo Bills - Riley Reiff OT RS JR Iowa
18. Oakland Raiders - Xavier Rhodes RS SOPH CB Florida State
19. Cincinnati Bengals - Ryan Broyles SR WR Oklahoma
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Manti Teo ILB JR Notre Dame
21. New York Giants - Dont'a Hightower SR OLB/ILB Alabama
22. San Diego Chargers - Courtney Upshaw SR OLB Alabama
23. New York Jets - Vontaze Burfict JR ILB Arizona State
24. Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta) - Brandon Thompson SR DT Clemson
25. San Francisco 49ers - Alfonzo Dennard SR CB Nebraska
26. Pittsburgh Steelers - Melvin Ingram SR OLB/DE South Carolina
27. New England Patriots - Peter Konz JR C Wisconsin
28. Houston Texans - David DeCastro JR OG Stanford
29. Detroit Lions - Stephon Gilmore South Carolina JR
30. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Mark Barron SR SS Alabama
31. Baltimore Ravens - Devin Taylor RS JR OLB/DE South Carolina
32. Green Bay Packers - Devin Still SR DT Penn State




2nd Round
33. Indianapolis Colts - Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa State SR
34. St. Louis Rams - Jerel Worthy JR DT Michigan State
35. Miami Dolphins - Frank Alexander SR DE/OLB Oklahoma
36. Minnesota Vikings - Dwight Jones SR WR UNC
37. Philadelphia Eagles (Arizona) - Luke Kuechly JR OLB Boston College
38. Kansas City Chiefs - Cordy Glenn SR OG Georgia
39. Carolina Panthers - Kendall Wright SR WR Baylor
40. Seattle Seahawks - Janoris Jenkins SR CB North Alabama
41. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jamell Fleming SR CB Oklahoma
42. Denver Broncos - Tyler Eifert JR TE Notre Dame
43. Chicago Bears - Nigel Bradham SR OLB Florida State
44. Tennessee Titans - Bacarri Rambo JR SS Georgia
45. Dallas Cowboys - Michael Brewster SR C Ohio State
46. Washington Redskins - Audie Cole SR OLB NC State
47. Cleveland Browns - Donte Paige-Moss JR DE UNC
48. Philadelphia (From Arizona) - Winston Guy SR SS Kentucky
49. Buffalo Bills - Stephen Hill JR WR Georgia Tech
50. New England Patriots (From Oakland) - Bruce Irvin SR OLB West Virginia
51. Cincinnati Bengals - Kendrick Adams SR DE LSU
52. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Brandon Taylor SR SS LSU
53. New York Giants - Doug Martin SR RB Boise State
54. San Diego Chargers - LaMichael James JR RB Oregon
55. New York Jets - Alameda Ta'amu SR NT Washington
56. Atlanta Falcons - Mike Adams SR OT Ohio State
57. San Francisco 49ers - Jarius Wright SR WR Arkansas
58. Pittsburgh Steelers - Brandon Washington JR OG Miami FL
59. New England Patriots - Josh Chapman SR NT Alabama
60. Houston Texans - Robert Lester JR FS Alabama
61. Detroit Lions - Donald Stephenson SR OT Oklahoma
62. New Orleans - Lavonte David SR OLB Nebraska
63. Baltimore Ravens - Andrew Datko SR OT Florida St.
64. Green Bay Packers - George Iloka SR FS Boise State





3rd Round
65. Indianapolis Colts - Travis Lewis SR OLB/ILB Oklahoma
66. St. Louis Rams - Chase Minnifield SR CB Virginia
67. Miami Dolphins - Jeff Fuller SR WR Texas A&M
68. Minnesota Vikings - Mike Martin SR DT Michigan
69. Arizona Cardinals - Chris Owusu SR WR Stanford
70. Kansas City Chiefs - Vinny Curry SR OLB Marshall
71. Chicago (From Carolina) - Zach Brown SR OLB UNC
72. Seattle Seahawks - Danny Trevathan SR OLB Kentucky
73. Jacksonville Jaguars - Malik Jackson SR DE Tennessee
74. Denver Broncos - Darius Fleming SR OLB Notre Dame
75. Chicago - Jaye Howard SR DT Florida
76. Tennessee Titans - Matt Reynolds SR OT BYU
77. Dallas Cowboys - Brandon Jenkins JR OLB Florida State
78. Washington Redskins - Tank Carder SR ILB TCU
79. Cleveland Browns - Nick Foles SR QB Arizona
80. Philadelphia Eagles - Trevor Robinson SR OG Notre Dame
81. Buffalo Bills - Nicolas Jean-Baptiste SR NT Baylor
82. Oakland Raiders - Jeff Allen SR OT Illinois
83. Cincinnati Bengals - Cyrus Gray SR RBTexas A&M
84. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Tramain Thomas SR SS Arkansas
85. New York Giants - Coby Fleener SR TE Stanford
86. San Diego Chargers - Kapron Lewis-Moore SR DE Notre Dame
87. New York Jets - Joe Adams SR WR Arkansas
88. Atlanta Falcons - Andre Branch SR DE Clemson
89. San Francisco 49ers - David Molk SR C Michigan
90. Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Harris SR CB Florida St
91. New England Patriots - AJ Jenkins SR WR Illinois
92. Houston Texans - Marvin McNutt SR WR Iowa
93. Detroit Lions - Eric Page JR WR Toledo
94. New Orleans - Billy Winn SR DE Boise State
95. Baltimore Ravens - Donnie Fletcher SR CB Boston College
96. Green Bay Packers - Kaleb Ramsey SR DT Boston College




These players I did not include in the mock because I think it would be wise if they go back for another year.
Nick Perry USC RS JR
Jarvis Jones Georgia RS SOPH
Patrick Omameh Michigan RS JR
Michael Mauti Penn State JR
Greg Reid Florida State JR
Cliff Harris Oregon JR.
Shayne Skov Stanford JR
Bruce Taylor Virginia Tech JR
Ronnell Lewis Oklahoma JR
Arthur Brown Kansas State TS JR
Jamar Taylor Boise State JR
Micah Hyde Iowa JR
Nick Moody Florida State JR

FootballGod
10-13-2011, 11:35 AM
The Bengals don't need a first round WR. WTF were you thinking? We have zero need at DE. I mean zero. I could dig Gray in the third round.

Where is the OL and secondary help? Please do more research because this Bengals draft is sooooo far off base that it isn't even funny. I could have thrown darts at a board and picked better players.

Hines
10-13-2011, 11:45 AM
Why would the Steelers pick a OLB in the first round when they need OL and a NT more? I can see Decastro in the first, Datko or Lester in the second, and Harris is fine in the third.

bruschis4all
10-13-2011, 11:56 AM
New England has Oakland's 2nd. Not the way you have it. Plus, NE has their own 2nd. Give me Vinny Curry with Oakland's 2nd and Nick Toon - WR and I'm a happy camper.

monson
10-13-2011, 11:57 AM
I thought the pats had two picks in round two not zero.

Ozzy
10-13-2011, 12:03 PM
Hines Why would the Steelers pick a OLB in the first round when they need OL and a NT more? I can see Decastro in the first, Datko or Lester in the second, and Harris is fine in the third.Based off the James Harrison injury I suppose, and the rare ability Ingram has, who could also arguably play DE in that defense if he put on a few pounds. I see the OL issue but I think DeCastro would be gone if the Bears take him or a few other teams, but I could see that, and I am not a huge fan of Datko. Kelechi Osemele would be a good fit there as well for offensive line. Lester being down there in the 2nd round I doubt, but that could happen if things fall that way. Brandon Washington in the 2nd is a fine player as well though and I think he would fit on the Steelers.

FootballGod The Bengals don't need a first round WR. WTF were you thinking? We have zero need at DE. I mean zero. I could dig Gray in the third round.

Where is the OL and secondary help? Please do more research because this Bengals draft is sooooo far off base that it isn't even funny. I could have thrown darts at a board and picked better players.So you are completely comfortable with Simpson, Shipley, Tate, Whalen and Caldwell at receiver? Really, well that is fine and I guess I can see your point, but arguably the Bengals were at their best offensively with three great receivers not one and a bunch of average guys. Offensive line, that is true, they could pick up DeCastro that is possible. As for the defensive end spot, is Dunlap and Rucker playing that well? I could see getting a corner though I guess, maybe that would be a better option. They are set a lot better than many teams though in terms of positional needs, might just pick the best player there.

Feel free to expand outside the Bengals roster though, we all need opinions here we are not just one team homers are we?

Matthew Jones
10-13-2011, 12:08 PM
I can see both Patriots first-round picks even though Barron is a reach and probably a little bit too similar to Patrick Chung (the Patriots need a center-fielder type more, so maybe Lester although he's a reach too.) The Patriots have Oakland's second-round pick though, not the other way around. In the third, I'm not sure if Chase Thomas is big enough for the Patriots. He's got the height, but is about 25 pounds lighter than the team likes, which is a pretty significant amount.

Ozzy
10-13-2011, 12:28 PM
bruschis4all New England has Oakland's 2nd. Not the way you have it. Plus, NE has their own 2nd. Give me Vinny Curry with Oakland's 2nd and Nick Toon - WR and I'm a happy camper.You are right, I read that wrong. I corrected it. Curry would work I think, and Toon would be a solid pick. Curry could drop like a rock though, there are a lot of fine 3/4 OLBs and he could fall. Toon, well I would take Jarius Wright, AJ Jenkins, Dwight Jones, Chris Owusu, Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright and Joe Adams in terms of 2nd tear receivers over him, but that might just be me.



RavenOfProphecy I can see both Patriots first-round picks even though Barron is a reach and probably a little bit too similar to Patrick Chung (the Patriots need a center-fielder type more, so maybe Lester although he's a reach too.) The Patriots have Oakland's second-round pick though, not the other way around. In the third, I'm not sure if Chase Thomas is big enough for the Patriots. He's got the height, but is about 25 pounds lighter than the team likes, which is a pretty significant amount.
27. New England Patriots - Peter Konz JR C Wisconsin
30. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Mark Barron SR SS Alabama
50. New England (From Oakland) - Bruce Irvin SR OLB West Virginia
59. New England - Josh Chapman SR NT Alabama
91. New England Patriots - AJ Jenkins SR WR Illinois

I saw that and corrected it, it was my mistake. It is always hard to try and think what the Patriots will do because they trade almost all of the picks away. I think Barron is underrated by most, but yes he is like Chung, but arguably the 2nd best overall safety outside of TJ McDonald, and he knows the game. Irvin, like you said with Thomas might be too small, I have them get Devin Taylor in the first then changed it. They would love Upshaw though and might trade away some of the draft to get him I would hope.

WT01
10-13-2011, 12:29 PM
Seahawks don't like shorter CBs. Jenkins isn't even 5'10". No way that they would draft him.

DiG
10-13-2011, 12:29 PM
14. Washington Redskins - Jared Crick SR DE/DT Nebraska
46. Washington Redskins - Kendall Wright SR WR Baylor
78. Washington Redskins - Travis Lewis SR OLB/ILB Oklahoma


Decent Skins mock. I honestly would be pretty disappointed if we did not address the interior OL somewhere in the first three rounds. We desperately need talented youth. DeCastro would be awesome in the first round. I really like Crick as a player but I just dont see the need with Coefield, Bowen, and Carriker playing so well. Not to mention Jarvis Jenkins, our 2nd round pick last year that played better than any other dlineman in preseason before he got hurt. An impact ILB like Te'o could be an option in the first too.

Kendall Wright has really impressed me but may not be the type of receiver we target. I need to watch more tape but guys like Rueben Randle, Stephen Hill, Sanu, Dwight Jones, and Nick Toon seem like they could be better fits.

Pat Sims 90
10-13-2011, 03:59 PM
I could see the Bengals possiabley taking a WR in the 1st if they decide not to keep Simpson but Broyles would be a slot WR and we already have 2 solid slot WRs in Shipley and Caldwell. Secondary or OL should be addressed in the 1st.

Bengals really don't need another DE unless it is a elite passrusher. Johnson and Dunlap have been solid this year and backsups have been pretty solid this year also. Secondary, OL, or RB should be addressed in the 2nd

Gray is fine in the 3rd.

shylo3716
10-13-2011, 05:57 PM
I like the effort, but I would have loved to see a few other guys u skipped out on....Lamar Miller/David Wilson.

How come Xavier Rhodes in your mock? I really don't think he has stood out this year to have us under the impression he is leaving.

prock
10-14-2011, 09:43 AM
Don't know much about Dwight Jones, but you hit the positional need right on the head for the purple.

jth1331
10-14-2011, 09:54 AM
1st Round
10. Denver Broncos - Dre Kirkpatrick CB JR Alabama

2nd Round
42. Denver Broncos - Tyler Eifert JR TE Notre Dame

3rd Round
74. Denver Broncos - Darius Fleming SR OLB Notre Dame



Broncos 1st round pick, I'm okay with. The secondary is in bad shape right now with right now, 1 player I'm comfortable with at CB and thats Champ Bailey.
2nd round pick is awful, Broncos just spent 2 picks on TE's last year and have a lot of praise for Julius Thomas. Need to focus on defense, defense, defense. Mainly DT and LB, and I'd love to have Travis Lewis who fell hard IMO in your mock.
3rd round pick, you're going defense so awesome. I'll be honest and say I don't know much about Fleming though.

DeepThreat
10-14-2011, 10:01 AM
The Browns do not at all need a defensive tackle. They just gave Ahtyba Rubin a 3-year $27 million extension, and he is the Cleveland's second best defensive player.

TheFinisher
10-14-2011, 10:47 AM
Dallas should be thinking Safety early on but McDonald at 13 seems to be a major reach, matter of fact I don't think any of the Safeties in this class belong in the top 25. We also have a need at Corner so Claiborne or Rhodes would be a much better value in that spot.

Round 2 I'm not really a fan of Brewster but the position is spot on. I can live with that.

Round 3, that will totally depend on whether or not we re-sign Spencer after the season. Good pick if he walks, Jenkins vs. Victor Butler would be an interesting battle in TC.

vidae
10-14-2011, 11:02 AM
I don't see how the Chiefs can pass on RG3 if he's there when they pick. In the second, OG is not really a need, except for depth purposes, and in the third OLB isn't a need so Matt Reynolds would be a better pick.

Our needs:

1. QB
2. RT
3. RB/WR depth

fear the elf
10-14-2011, 12:01 PM
The Browns do not at all need a defensive tackle. They just gave Ahtyba Rubin a 3-year $27 million extension, and he is the Cleveland's second best defensive player.

+1

Maybe they take another one in the 2-3 range for rotational purposes, but I think there so many holes on the team that they don't use a 1st on a DT with Phil Taylor and Ahtyba Rubin as the starters.

OSUGiants17
10-14-2011, 02:35 PM
Hightower is an awful fit, give us Burfict or Kuechly. And Martin is also a bad pick, we have 4 RBs already on the roster, no need to take one round 2. Give us Sanu or Jarius Wright. Fleener is a great pick though.

fenikz
10-14-2011, 04:40 PM
only way cardinals give up on kolb that quick is for luck, Coples or Martin far more likely picks.

bored of education
10-14-2011, 05:26 PM
Most recent mock draft, decided to try three rounds to try and get a feel for what players might go where.


1st Round

6. Kansas City Chiefs - Trent Richardson RB JR Alabama

11. Chicago Bears - Jonathan Martin OT JR Stanford

2nd Round
38. Kansas City Chiefs - Cordy Glenn SR OG Georgia






3rd Round

70. Kansas City Chiefs - Vinny Curry SR OLB Marshall
73. Jacksonville Jaguars - Malik Jackson SR DE Tennessee
75. Chicago - Jaye Howard SR DT Florida
76. Tennessee Titans - Matt Reynolds SR OT BYU
79. Cleveland Browns - Nick Foles SR QB Arizona
85. New York Giants - Coby Fleener SR TE Stanford


Solid draft with what is left on the board in the first you have to go BPA, but I would rather Martin in that case esp after KC invested a lot of money in Charles the previous off season. Trent is a beast.

Im not a big Cordy Glenn, is he an RG at the next level. Maybe.

I dont like the 3rd rounder because OLB does not need upgrading. Other guys I like after him I'd rather have

CashmoneyDrew
10-14-2011, 08:06 PM
Definitely don't like the Matt Reynolds pick. I like Blackmon, but I feel like we have much bigger needs along the interior o-line and linebacker. Rambo is an ok pick I reckon.

SickwithIt1010
10-14-2011, 09:19 PM
Why do the eagles draft a TE in the first round? I mean i love the idea of getting Kuechly where we got him, but we dont need a TE.

My ideal draft looking at how it went down.

1) Vontaze Burfict
2) Michael Brewster
2a) Could be fine with that
3) once again fine.

Thecollegedropout
10-15-2011, 03:51 AM
I have questions with Burfict as an OLB but I can see it happening under Rex Ryan...I told someone who had Burfict in their mock that he may not be picked by NYJ but I am starting to see that as more of a reality.

But for now until otherwise, I think Devin Taylor under these circumstances might be the pick just because he translates better as a 3-4 OLB. Burfict has the higher upside so its a nice pick in these regards.

Ta'amu is an steal in round 2 and while I am skeptical as to if NYJ address NT that early, talent wise that's a no brainer.

And you got a needed WR in round 3 with Adams.

Good mock draft. Don't know if it will happen come April but its something fresh.

Razor
10-15-2011, 08:26 AM
27. New England Patriots - Peter Konz JR C Wisconsin
30. New England Patriots (from New Orleans) - Mark Barron SR SS Alabama
50. New England Patriots (From Oakland) - Bruce Irvin SR OLB West Virginia
59. New England Patriots - Josh Chapman SR NT Alabama
91. New England Patriots - AJ Jenkins SR WR Illinois

Nice work with a three rounder at this point. The first pick is absolutely perfect. Konz is a perfect pick for us culturally, fills a need and fits the system. Konz would greatly improve our offense which is already pretty f'ing good. From here on I see what you're trying to do, but I think you're missing the mark somewhat. Belichick is obsessed with value according to his own rankings. Now, I don't presume to know how he ranks players, but I don't think he will consider Barron as a first round player. Like RoP said we need a center fielder, and Barron is certainly not that. Also, he's prone to taking bad angles which is something that I would expect BB to shy away from after having suffered through four years of Brandon Meriweather. I fully expect safety to be addressed, but in the second round - not in the first.

Bruce Irvin and Josh Chapman: Yeah, I also think we're moving back to the 3-4 next year. But, Irvin just doesn't fit anything NE does on defense. Justin Houston was a better prospect than Irvin, and we passed on him how many times? Four? I view Chapman as a very good 3-4 NT prospect, but as you probably know we're pretty set at that position. Wilfork is just dominating, just as he has been for most of his career. Robert Lester and Chase Minnifield seems like better picks as far as fits and value.

Lastly: I would be very, very surprised if NE ends up drafting AJ Jenkins. He's personality just doesn't fit in well with how they do things in NE. He seems like he's all about himself, I don't like that. I might be wrong here, but that's just the way I see it right now. Anyways, I look forward to your next mock.

Ozzy
10-15-2011, 09:11 AM
prock Don't know much about Dwight Jones, but you hit the positional need right on the head for the purple.I think Jones is being way underrated by many, he has long arms, has improved almost every year at North Carolina. Big target to throw too, good hands, can get down field, I think he could be a fine wide receiver in the NFL.


jth1331
2nd round pick is awful, Broncos just spent 2 picks on TE's last year and have a lot of praise for Julius Thomas. Need to focus on defense, defense, defense. Mainly DT and LB, and I'd love to have Travis Lewis who fell hard IMO in your mock.
3rd round pick, you're going defense so awesome. I'll be honest and say I don't know much about Fleming though.Fleming depends on if the Broncos will still play a 3/4 or if they switch back to a 4/3. If still in a 3/4 Fleming has good value at an OLB position in that type of defense in the late 2nd or 3rd round. As for tight end, I do not know much about Thomas, but outside of Fells I do not have much confidence in any of those tight ends. I think that could help them out a lot and they are decent at most of the other positions on offense.


TheFinisher Dallas should be thinking Safety early on but McDonald at 13 seems to be a major reach, matter of fact I don't think any of the Safeties in this class belong in the top 25. We also have a need at Corner so Claiborne or Rhodes would be a much better value in that spot.

Round 2 I'm not really a fan of Brewster but the position is spot on. I can live with that.

Round 3, that will totally depend on whether or not we re-sign Spencer after the season. Good pick if he walks, Jenkins vs. Victor Butler would be an interesting battle in TC.I do think the Cowboys need an interior lineman especially at center, Brewster is solid, but yes I like Konz a lot better because of his size. TJ McDonald I think is an elite safety but yeah possibly not at that high of rank.


OSUGiants17 Hightower is an awful fit, give us Burfict or Kuechly. And Martin is also a bad pick, we have 4 RBs already on the roster, no need to take one round 2. Give us Sanu or Jarius Wright. Fleener is a great pick though.I disagree, if they play Kiwi at times at OLB I am sure Hightower can do that as well, he is much stronger at the point of attack and has proven this year his conditioning is not really an issue. He is a big strong player I think they could use personally. And just my opinion, the running backs on the roster are not as good as they need to be. Either that or that line is not what it needs to be. But maybe that is just me, but Jacobs and Bradshaw are not as dominating as they were before, but possibly that is the lines falt though... Tight end, they might try to get one even earlier, that is a huge need I would think, and I am sure they would take Michael Williams of Alabama in a second becomes of his great blocking, but doubt he comes out early.


DeepThreat The Browns do not at all need a defensive tackle. They just gave Ahtyba Rubin a 3-year $27 million extension, and he is the Cleveland's second best defensive player.Is he playing that well, well I was not aware of that, in that case then yes they would probably go in a different direction. Defensive end is a huge need though for them, or at least on paper it looks like that.


fenikz only way cardinals give up on kolb that quick is for luck, Coples or Martin far more likely picks.That is possible, but really QB is their biggest need I feel, Kolb is still up in the air and if he continues to not play great this year I could see them getting another QB to try and take his place.



SickwithIt1010 Why do the eagles draft a TE in the first round? I mean i love the idea of getting Kuechly where we got him, but we dont need a TE.

My ideal draft looking at how it went down.

1) Vontaze Burfict
2) Michael Brewster
2a) Could be fine with that
3) once again fine.I could see them going offensive line though, and sure linebacker that is possible. But you would pick Brewster that high? I would not, same with Burfict. Dwayne Allen, it is just because I think their tight end has taken a step back and Allen is such an elite talent, sadly he could slip into the 2nd round because not many teams need a tight end and have bigger needs. Player wise, Allen is a freak and I think he would help Vick out big time with a target in the middle of the field who can catch the ball.




Thecollegedropout I have questions with Burfict as an OLB but I can see it happening under Rex Ryan...I told someone who had Burfict in their mock that he may not be picked by NYJ but I am starting to see that as more of a reality.

But for now until otherwise, I think Devin Taylor under these circumstances might be the pick just because he translates better as a 3-4 OLB. Burfict has the higher upside so its a nice pick in these regards.

Ta'amu is an steal in round 2 and while I am skeptical as to if NYJ address NT that early, talent wise that's a no brainer.

And you got a needed WR in round 3 with Adams.

Good mock draft. Don't know if it will happen come April but its something fresh.Burfict, was basically because I had him drop that far, and with his attitude and ability to play aggressively, he fits the Jets I think, but yes OLB is not the natural position for him and possibly he could not play it, but then again not like their current OLBs are classic guys for that position outside of Pace. Burfict could at least hold up well against the run and clearly could blitz and rush the passer effectively, just not sure he has the pass rush moves he needs, but maybe could be taught.



Razor
Nice work with a three rounder at this point. The first pick is absolutely perfect. Konz is a perfect pick for us culturally, fills a need and fits the system. Konz would greatly improve our offense which is already pretty f'ing good. From here on I see what you're trying to do, but I think you're missing the mark somewhat. Belichick is obsessed with value according to his own rankings. Now, I don't presume to know how he ranks players, but I don't think he will consider Barron as a first round player. Like RoP said we need a center fielder, and Barron is certainly not that. Also, he's prone to taking bad angles which is something that I would expect BB to shy away from after having suffered through four years of Brandon Meriweather. I fully expect safety to be addressed, but in the second round - not in the first.

Bruce Irvin and Josh Chapman: Yeah, I also think we're moving back to the 3-4 next year. But, Irvin just doesn't fit anything NE does on defense. Justin Houston was a better prospect than Irvin, and we passed on him how many times? Four? I view Chapman as a very good 3-4 NT prospect, but as you probably know we're pretty set at that position. Wilfork is just dominating, just as he has been for most of his career. Robert Lester and Chase Minnifield seems like better picks as far as fits and value.

Lastly: I would be very, very surprised if NE ends up drafting AJ Jenkins. He's personality just doesn't fit in well with how they do things in NE. He seems like he's all about himself, I don't like that. I might be wrong here, but that's just the way I see it right now. Anyways, I look forward to your next mock.Yeah, originally I had the picked switched and had the Patriots not have any picks in the 2nd which was incorrect and scrabbled to fill them back up. So not the best Patriots draft in the world. In terms of Barron, yeah that is possible he might not fit, and if they really want center field TJ McDonald is the top of that list clearly but probably would not be around. George Iloka and Lance Mitchell are smart safeties and play well all over the field, really like Iloka. As for Irvin, still up in the air on him, he is not that big but hard to argue with his athletic ability, could be kine of like a Michael Johnson or Manny Lawson type, but not sure he has their power, and that is coming from two skinny defensive ends. Frank Alexander is better fit in the 2nd for the Patriots 3/4 but not sure he will be around. As for Chapman, that is just depth at the DE spot potentially, nothing more but clearly could go many other ways.

Bearsfan123
10-15-2011, 12:03 PM
For the Bears: The first round pick I understand, but how do we pass on Brewster in the second for an OLB? I know it's a need but our starting C is i think 35 and a FA after this year. Then you give us another OLB in the 3rd and a DT. Okay if you change the 2nd rounder to Brewster this isn't a bad mock for the Bears. Good job.

rawdawg
10-15-2011, 06:36 PM
A lot of guys missing in this mock.

Don't understand the back-to-back LBs for the Bears, but overall not a bad Bears draft. Gotta have a WR in there though.

If the Bears are sitting with Jon Martin and Justin Blackmon on the board, I'm turning backflips. That would be a coinflip pick. Not sure where Sanu and Levi Adcock are, but they are both 2nd rounders and I would take either in the 2nd depending on who the first pick was. Zach Brown in the 3rd is a flat out steal. I'd go DE over DT for the 2nd 3rd round pick though.

Ozzy
10-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Bearsfan123 For the Bears: The first round pick I understand, but how do we pass on Brewster in the second for an OLB? I know it's a need but our starting C is i think 35 and a FA after this year. Then you give us another OLB in the 3rd and a DT. Okay if you change the 2nd rounder to Brewster this isn't a bad mock for the Bears. Good job.That is my mistake, clearly the Bears do not need two OLBs, I did that when I had to quickly change the above order because I missed a pick and had the wrong team select above them. Yes I could see them getting a center, any OL help would be a huge plus, but do feel the linebacker position could use another player, along with the safety position and or corner.


rawdawg A lot of guys missing in this mock.

Don't understand the back-to-back LBs for the Bears, but overall not a bad Bears draft. Gotta have a WR in there though.

If the Bears are sitting with Jon Martin and Justin Blackmon on the board, I'm turning backflips. That would be a coinflip pick. Not sure where Sanu and Levi Adcock are, but they are both 2nd rounders and I would take either in the 2nd depending on who the first pick was. Zach Brown in the 3rd is a flat out steal. I'd go DE over DT for the 2nd 3rd round pick though.Again, that was my mistake, clearly they would not pick two linebackers, I scrabbled based on changed picks ahead of them. Zach Brown, it is hard because personally I would take a lot of linebackers ahead of him. He is productive and makes tackles but supposedly has had some issues character wise on the UNC team, I believe one game he did not even play because of some team issue. And he is not that explosive tackling, who knows, a lot of people like him, but he could drop easily if other linebackers come out. WR is tough for the Bears I think, because they have talent there, and not sure adding a receiver is their biggest need, but depends on what they will do with Roy Williams I guess, because Hester and Knox are there to stay I believe.

Ozzy
10-16-2011, 03:49 PM
the broncos haven't played a 3-4 this season and will not be playing a 3-4 next season. further, the tight end position does *not* need a high draft pick. it might be one of the positions of least concern on the entire team, and eifert is nowhere near good enough to justify actually drafting in the 2nd round for a team in denver's situation.Oh I did not know they were not playing a 3/4 anymore, smart because it never really worked that well for them. If that is the case then Fleming would not be a great fit, then clearly shifts to all about getting a corner. As for the tight end position, yes Virgil Green has talent, Rosario has potential but clearly has never lived up to it, and like I said I like Fells. In terms of the position sure they could go somewhere else, but I think you really underrate Eifert, kid has sick hands for a tight end and catches the ball like a receiver, not a great blocker but is an elite down field pass catcher at the position, which would be something the Broncos would have if they did not let go of Scheffler. I guess offensive line would be another issue but I feel the receiver position is not too bad with Lloyd and Decker who is a stud, then Royal and others. But sure going offensive line would be ok as well. If they are actually going with Tebow moving forward, they must get an elite tight end some how, because he will need all the help he can get in terms of targets and pass catching options I feel personally.

rawdawg
10-16-2011, 08:57 PM
That is my mistake, clearly the Bears do not need two OLBs, I did that when I had to quickly change the above order because I missed a pick and had the wrong team select above them. Yes I could see them getting a center, any OL help would be a huge plus, but do feel the linebacker position could use another player, along with the safety position and or corner.


Again, that was my mistake, clearly they would not pick two linebackers, I scrabbled based on changed picks ahead of them. Zach Brown, it is hard because personally I would take a lot of linebackers ahead of him. He is productive and makes tackles but supposedly has had some issues character wise on the UNC team, I believe one game he did not even play because of some team issue. And he is not that explosive tackling, who knows, a lot of people like him, but he could drop easily if other linebackers come out. WR is tough for the Bears I think, because they have talent there, and not sure adding a receiver is their biggest need, but depends on what they will do with Roy Williams I guess, because Hester and Knox are there to stay I believe.

I don't agree that the Bears have talent at WR. Well, they have some talent, but not enough. Knox could be a solid 2. Hester should be a 4, Bennett's an OK 3. But if the Bears problem is that their WRs take time to get open, but the OL isn't able to give them the time (outside of tonight). And if the Bears go with the 3-step drop, no WR can get off a jam.

I'm not one of those Bears fans that expects to draft the next Fitzgerald. I just want a guy that can catch a slant pass on 3rd and 5 and move the chains.

Menardo75
10-17-2011, 07:51 PM
First pick is very nice for the niners. I like Wright but i'm still not sure about WR that high I like it though. Kilgore was drafted last year, and he is the center of the future niners need a true guard in the third instead of Molk.

wicket
10-18-2011, 06:05 PM
Thats a lot of Irish you have declaring. I could see Teo declaring although a lot of people close to the program think he wont but I dont see Eifert or Lewis-Moore declaring at all.

With regards to my saints picks Id prefer a Olineman (doesnt really matter which position) for the third rounder

jCut
10-18-2011, 07:36 PM
We traded up to get Julius Thomas last year. We don't need a TE. Period.