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the new jesus
10-18-2011, 02:07 PM
This should be an interesting topic to generate some debate. List all of the potential Hall of Fame players on your teams roster. Avoid young guys that still need a few dominant years to even be in consideration.

I'll start...

Packers

Charles Woodson - Already a lock.

Aaron Rodgers - Should continue to put up gaudy numbers and should have a few more shots at Super Bowls. Pretty hard to imagine him not making it unless his play falls off a cliff or he gets hurt.

Nick Collins - His season-ending and possibly career-ending injury puts this in doubt but Collins was on pace for a HOF career. Probably the most underappreciated Packer by national media.

Greg Jennings - Very outside shot at this point. Probably would have to win multiple championships and play at an elite level well into his 30s.

Clay Matthews is excluded for now because he doesn't have a long enough track record yet.

vidae
10-18-2011, 02:09 PM
Oh man I really love these kinds of threads. Who has the popcorn?

Donno
10-18-2011, 02:11 PM
Jamarcus Russell...whoops sorry wrong thread.

CashmoneyDrew
10-18-2011, 02:20 PM
What the **** is a Nick Collins?

CC.SD
10-18-2011, 02:22 PM
lol is Nick Collins seriously in the first post of this thread....shut it down

M.O.T.H.
10-18-2011, 02:24 PM
Dallas' are easy and legitimate at least...

Ware and Witten.

Giantsfan1080
10-18-2011, 02:27 PM
Can we make a rule where you need at least 1,000 posts before you start a new thread? It would be a good start to reclaim the NFL forum.

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 02:36 PM
Can we make a rule where you need at least 1,000 posts before you start a new thread? It would be a good start to reclaim the NFL forum.

Here's a good rule. Don't open a post, read it, and respond to it if you have no interest.

CC.SD
10-18-2011, 02:38 PM
Nick Collins is a hall of famer

That's all I see here.

jrdrylie
10-18-2011, 02:45 PM
Urlacher is a lock. I think Peppers is too. Despite John Gruden calling him a future Hall of Famer on Sunday, I do not think Briggs will get in. Hester should get in.

Two guys who potentially could get in are Robbie Gould and Matt Forte. Robbie Gould probably won't because he is a kicker. But he may go down as the most accurate kicker of all time. That is saying a lot when he plays in Chicago, which might be the hardest place for a kicker. As for Matt Forte, I don't think he'll ever be a 1,500 yard back. But if he strings together some Marshall Faulk type years (1200 yards rushing, 800 yard receiving) he could potentially get in.

One guy not on the Bears I think will get in but shouldn't is Michael Vick. He is not a Hall of Fame caliber player. But fifty years from now, can you talk about this decade of football without mentioning Vick?

Bulldogs
10-18-2011, 02:45 PM
This is almost impossible to do, the players you'd think might have a shot for Atlanta are too young in their career to really tell.

Falcons:

Tony Gonzalez: 1st Ballot Hall of Famer. Not much of it was really done here though.

Roddy White: Doubtful unless he goes on an absolute tear for the next five seasons or wins a couple of Super Bowls. Has had probably two "elite" years, two good years, and two bad ones.

Matt Ryan: He probably has the best shot of anyone on the team. So tough to tell at this point, but he'd have to win a couple Super Bowls.

John Abraham: Great sack artist, not hall of fame worthy IMO. If he didn't struggle with injuries his entire career maybe.

Michael Turner: Almost no shot, has had one really elite season, and then has been good-great for the rest of his time here. Spending all that time on San Diego's bench doesn't help either.

Other guys I want to mention like Sean Weatherspoon and Julio Jones I can pretty much make no argument for at this point, other than they have looked good so far.

keylime_5
10-18-2011, 02:48 PM
Joe Thomas.

Hopefully Joe Haden ends up having that type of career.

Oh yeah, and Ryan Pontbriand!

PoopSandwich
10-18-2011, 02:49 PM
That's all I see here.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Defiantmac/FELLOWSHIPOFNICKCOLLINS.jpg

What do you see now.

no bare feet
10-18-2011, 03:09 PM
Jared Allen.

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 03:11 PM
Urlacher is a lock. I think Peppers is too. Despite John Gruden calling him a future Hall of Famer on Sunday, I do not think Briggs will get in. Hester should get in.

Would be tough for Briggs to not make it and have Urlacher make it since Briggs has arguably been better for the past few seasons. I'm not sold 100% on either but it's almost like if you let one in you have to let the other.

ShutDwn
10-18-2011, 03:11 PM
Jimmy Graham is getting in next year.

jrdrylie
10-18-2011, 03:16 PM
Would be tough for Briggs to not make it and have Urlacher make it since Briggs has arguably been better for the past few seasons. I'm not sold 100% on either but it's almost like if you let one in you have to let the other.

Strongly disagree. Their tackle numbers are pretty much equal. But Urlacher has far more sacks and INTs, even when you adjust for Urlacher playing more games. Briggs is good. But Urlacher is a much better impact play maker.

Beano
10-18-2011, 03:19 PM
Rams:

Think I got them all.

jth1331
10-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Denver Broncos:
This guy is a lock:
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tim+Tebow+Denver+Broncos+v+Oakland+Raiders+661902l 0nmal.jpg

Champ Bailey is a lock

Thats it for them.

CC.SD
10-18-2011, 03:23 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Defiantmac/FELLOWSHIPOFNICKCOLLINS.jpg

What do you see now.

now I'm actually wondering if Liv Tyler has ever been nude on film.

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 03:29 PM
Nick Collins - His season-ending and possibly career-ending injury puts this in doubt but Collins was on pace for a HOF career. Probably the most underappreciated Packer by national media.


No, just no.

tjsunstein
10-18-2011, 03:33 PM
Nick Collins isn't even close.
I wouldn't say Jennings is right now, either.
Rodgers still has a lot work to do.
Woodson is the only player on the Packers with a case right now.

Basileus777
10-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Jared Allen.
I think it could happen. Allen will probably finish this season having around 100 sacks in 8 years. He's still in his prime and has the potential to end up top 5 all time in sacks.

Watchman
10-18-2011, 03:41 PM
For the Bucs - Barber, and that's a maybe. Everyone else is too young to even speculate.

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 03:41 PM
McCarthy on Collins:

"He's on pace to potentially have a Hall of Fame career here," McCarthy said. "Hopefully, this is just a bump in the road. We're going to miss him."

Is he a HOFer now? Of course not. Could he be if he continues producing at this level? Yes. He went to 3 straight Pro Bowls and has been the best safety in the league not named Reed or possibly Polamalu for the past few years.

keylime_5
10-18-2011, 03:42 PM
Lance Briggs is not a hall of famer.

Collins has a long long way to go to make it.

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 03:46 PM
McCarthy on Collins:

"He's on pace to potentially have a Hall of Fame career here," McCarthy said. "Hopefully, this is just a bump in the road. We're going to miss him."

Is he a HOFer now? Of course not. Could he be if he continues producing at this level? Yes. He went to 3 straight Pro Bowls and has been the best safety in the league not named Reed or possibly Polamalu for the past few years.

You can't take the coach's word on a player. Nick Collins is a good pro bowl caliber player, but like you said he's the best safety not named Reed or Polamalu, those guys are actually HOF players. There is such a tremendous difference between those guys and Collins that you can see what the difference is between a good player and a HOF player. The league has very few good safeties right now, but just because there aren't a lot of great ones doesn't escalate Collins into company he doesn't belong in. Hell I would argue he's the 3rd or 4th best player on his own defense.

Thecollegedropout
10-18-2011, 03:47 PM
Tomlinson for the Jets though he should be going down as a Charger.

Revis and Mangold if they continue this elite play at their position, will make both make it. Remains to be seen if they both can though.

Mike Westoff, the Jets ST coach should make it for being one of the best special teams coach in NFL history but who knows if the NFL HOF actually recognizes that.

That's about it.

DanZilla
10-18-2011, 03:54 PM
What are people's thought on nnamdi making it?

tjsunstein
10-18-2011, 03:56 PM
What are people's thought on nnamdi making it?
The only active corners I can see right now are Bailey, Barber, and Woodson.

Revis and Nnamdi still have a way to go.

AntoinCD
10-18-2011, 03:56 PM
Tom Brady easily
Vince Wilfork may have a shot but may struggle due to lack of eye popping stats
Wes Welker will go down as the best slot WR in history more than likely but the stigma of being a "slot WR" may go against him
Logan Mankins has a real outside shot

They are the only Pats I think at this point

jrdrylie
10-18-2011, 03:58 PM
now I'm actually wondering if Liv Tyler has ever been nude on film.

I am 99% sure she has been.

Watchman
10-18-2011, 04:00 PM
McCarthy on Collins:

"He's on pace to potentially have a Hall of Fame career here," McCarthy said. "Hopefully, this is just a bump in the road. We're going to miss him."

Is he a HOFer now? Of course not. Could he be if he continues producing at this level? Yes. He went to 3 straight Pro Bowls and has been the best safety in the league not named Reed or possibly Polamalu for the past few years.

So not being the best safety in the league is a good thing when it comes to HOF consideration?

Sidenote - I was checking Collins' stats and compared them to Reed's stats. Reed has been playing longer, but I was shocked when I saw that Ed Reed has 56 INTs in his career.

dj825
10-18-2011, 04:08 PM
The Panthers have 3 players imo who has a shot and thats Steve Smith, Jordan Gross and Ryan Kalil, none of which will prolly actually make it, but have a shot i think.

as for Liv Tyler: One Night at McCools and Stealing Beauty.

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 04:24 PM
Tom Brady easily
Vince Wilfork may have a shot but may struggle due to lack of eye popping stats
Wes Welker will go down as the best slot WR in history more than likely but the stigma of being a "slot WR" may go against him
Logan Mankins has a real outside shot

They are the only Pats I think at this point

I think you're underestimating his interception totals.

vidae
10-18-2011, 04:26 PM
I can't think of a single person currently on the Chiefs roster who has a shot at all.

CashmoneyDrew
10-18-2011, 04:29 PM
For the Titans:
- CJ2K
- David DeCastro

slightlyaraiderfan
10-18-2011, 04:30 PM
http://p.twimg.com/AcEE4afCEAEpnEy.jpg

MetSox17
10-18-2011, 04:32 PM
Not sure if someone has listed off Cowboys, but here we go.


Jason Witten (TE) - If his career ended right this moment, he'd still probably get in. He has had a long and successful career, and he doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon. By the time it's all said and done, he'll be one of the greatest, if not the greatest TEs ever.

DeMarcus Ware (OLB) - His sack numbers have been amazing, and he has just overall been the greatest OLB of this generation. The most consistent, too. The fact that he got robbed of his DPOY award a few years ago might hurt him, but it looks like he'll be making a run at a few more before his career is done. I think he gets in easily as well.

niel89
10-18-2011, 04:36 PM
The only guys for the Ravens who have a shot are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, who are both locks already.

CC.SD
10-18-2011, 04:38 PM
Vince Wilfork may have a shot but may struggle due to lack of eye popping stats


Oh I don't know about that...

Adam Schefter of NFL Network is reporting that Patriots defensive tackle Vince Wilfork has been fined $15,000 for unsportsmanlike conduct.

The fine comes as a result of Wilfork poking at the eye of Giants running back Brandon Jacobs during Saturday night's New England victory. Wilfork wasn't penalized at the time because the officials didn't see it. Jacobs was not hurt.

jrdrylie
10-18-2011, 04:41 PM
The only guys for the Ravens who have a shot are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, who are both locks already.

Ray Rice???

vidae
10-18-2011, 04:42 PM
Ray Rice has been playing for what, three years? Why would he get Hall of Fame consideration?

tjsunstein
10-18-2011, 04:43 PM
Ray Rice???
You're telling me Ray Rice has a shot at the hall of fame?
Holy ****.

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 04:44 PM
For the Titans:
- CJ2K
- David DeCastro

I see what you did there

CC.SD
10-18-2011, 04:54 PM
You're telling me Ray Rice has a shot at the hall of fame?
Holy ****.

More than Nick Collins!

jrdrylie
10-18-2011, 04:58 PM
You're telling me Ray Rice has a shot at the hall of fame?
Holy ****.

If he retired today? No. But I think he will end up with some pretty great stats when all is said and done. I was just mentioning him because the previous poster said Ed Reed and Ray Lewis were the only guys who had a shot.

Punisher
10-18-2011, 05:00 PM
Not sure if someone has listed off Cowboys, but here we go.


Jason Witten (TE) - By the time it's all said and done, he'll be one of the greatest, if not the greatest TEs ever.


Exaggeration much?

Tony Gonzalez, Mike Ditka, Shannon Sharpe,....he's not better than them.

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 05:00 PM
So not being the best safety in the league is a good thing when it comes to HOF consideration?

Sidenote - I was checking Collins' stats and compared them to Reed's stats. Reed has been playing longer, but I was shocked when I saw that Ed Reed has 56 INTs in his career.

With Reed and Polamalu both on the decline and Collins (pre-injury) in the prime of his career, there was a good chance he was going to be the best safety in the league for a few years. Of course, that's dependent on what guys like Berry do but you could argue coming into this season he was the best.

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 05:07 PM
With Reed and Polamalu both on the decline and Collins (pre-injury) in the prime of his career, there was a good chance he was going to be the best safety in the league for a few years. Of course, that's dependent on what guys like Berry do but you could argue coming into this season he was the best.

It doesn't matter if he's the best safety in the league for a few years or not. He's not an elite player! Other players mediocrity has nothing to do with his hall of fame candidacy. Plus, there are plenty of guys who are going to be better than Collins, and some who are about as good as him now.

Basileus777
10-18-2011, 05:17 PM
Getting into the HOF as a safety is difficult, I don't think there's any foreseeable way Nick Collins ends up there.

PoopSandwich
10-18-2011, 05:22 PM
I still hold that if Cribbs had been able to keep his pace on kick returns/punt returns he should have gotten in as a KR/PR. It's a position and it has a huge impact on the game. At this point I say no, however Hester should, especially if he just flat out shatters the records.

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 05:27 PM
It doesn't matter if he's the best safety in the league for a few years or not. He's not an elite player! Other players mediocrity has nothing to do with his hall of fame candidacy. Plus, there are plenty of guys who are going to be better than Collins, and some who are about as good as him now.

How are you not an elite player if you are the best in the league?

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 05:45 PM
How are you not an elite player if you are the best in the league?

Steve Atwater and Jack Tatum aren't in the hall of fame. John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, Brian Dawkins, and Darren Sharper probably won't get in. So when Collins retires does he deserve to be in ahead of any of these guys because there were no great players at his position for a year or 2 during his prime? He's just not that good.

cvv84
10-18-2011, 05:47 PM
Wow this thread turned out to be a pretty comical read. There's only handful of guys in the entire league who I think have legit shots and being HOF players. Funny to see some of the names that some people think are that.

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 05:53 PM
Steve Atwater and Jack Tatum aren't in the hall of fame. John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, Brian Dawkins, and Darren Sharper probably won't get in. So when Collins retires does he deserve to be in ahead of any of these guys because there were no great players at his position for a year or 2 during his prime? He's just not that good.

It depends on how the rest of his career plays out, which is why this thread is called "Potential HOFers"...not "locks for the HOF".

PackerLegend
10-18-2011, 05:55 PM
Collins is good but hes not a HOFer IMO....

Woodson - Has a shot
Rodgers - Has the 2nd best shot if he continues his success for a long time.

The rest of the Packers have alot of work to do before their names should even be said.

phlysac
10-18-2011, 05:56 PM
The only 49ers players that have been dominant for an extended period, all play positions unlikely to receive recognition.

DE - Justin Smith
P - Andy Lee
LS - Brian Jennings


So I'd have to say that, at this point, the 49ers don't have any.

cmarq83
10-18-2011, 05:56 PM
You said:


Collins was on pace for a HOF career.

He was nowhere near on pace for a hall of fame career.

49ers1984
10-18-2011, 06:01 PM
These are maybe's but the ones with best shot

Vernon Davis
Frank Gore

the new jesus
10-18-2011, 06:09 PM
You said:



He was nowhere near on pace for a hall of fame career.

He made 3 Pro Bowls in a row. Another 3 and another championship? 40+ INTs?

Sounds like a HOF resume to me.

CC.SD
10-18-2011, 06:41 PM
He made 3 Pro Bowls in a row. Another 3 and another championship? 40+ INTs?

Sounds like a HOF resume to me.

Oh man this is great stuff.

Aren't there like 7 safeties in the hall? Total, I mean. Did Leroy Butler ever make it? I'd love for that beast to get in, after Nick Collins of course.

jimmylishis
10-18-2011, 06:48 PM
For the vikings:

Steve Hutchinson- should be a lock

Kevin Williams- Has been dominant his whole career and still has some quality years left in him at 31. I think he deserves to get in

Adrian Peterson- Barring injury or a huge drop-off in production he should be a 1st ballot hall of famer when it's all said and done.

Jared Allen- Same as Peterson. If he keeps up this production he'll make it

Komp
10-18-2011, 06:48 PM
Steve Atwater and Jack Tatum aren't in the hall of fame. John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, Brian Dawkins, and Darren Sharper probably won't get in. So when Collins retires does he deserve to be in ahead of any of these guys because there were no great players at his position for a year or 2 during his prime? He's just not that good.

Harrison might have an edge on the other three (Dawkins, Lynch, Sharper) since he played for the Pats mini-Dynasty.


Oakland Raiders -

Janikowski - IMO probably the only clear shoo-in on the team and there is no reason his performance should drop over the next 5-10 years. Game breakers at the K position are a rare breed.

Seymour - One of the top 3-4 DE's ever, lots of rings, will go in as a Pat. Not a lock, but a very good chance at going in.

Lechler - Best Punter in the league over the last 7-8 years, but punters don't generally get a fair shake when it comes to HOF entrance.

McFadden - Has a very long ways to go in regards to a complete career but has all the potential to get there, provided he stays healthy and continues to be the focal point of good running offenses. Short shelf life of RB's definitely works against him, specially considering he has had a hard time staying healthy before.

Ford - Extreme outside shot as a return specialist, and only if he reaches Hester/Dante Hall totals at the end of his career.

yo123
10-18-2011, 07:02 PM
Nick Collins? That is top 5 stupid post of all time caliber.

Jared Allen and Peterson are well on their way, Hutchinson should make it. Kevin Williams was well on his way but he's dropped off the last couple years so I wouldn't bet on that anymore.

FUNBUNCHER
10-18-2011, 07:21 PM
Skins got nothing. :(

Rabscuttle
10-18-2011, 07:56 PM
nm, don't have the time or energy fo this tonight

BigBanger
10-18-2011, 11:47 PM
Nick Collins is not making the Hall of Fame unless he makes a drastic turnaround in his career where he, for once in his career, turns into the best safety in the game for a period of 3 to 4 years ... that is, of course, once he returns. That's the only way he makes it in and that's not likely to happen. And if the Packers win the Super Bowl without him (and put up a great regular season record, which they are likely to do), then it will only hurt his causes.

There are two safeties with any legitimate shot right now. Both are locks and everyone knows who they are.


Clay Matthews and BJ Raji are much better options for the Packers since they are actually dominant players at their position. Both are extremely young and both have a long way to go. Matthews game is leveling out right now in his 3rd season while Raji's game is improving to the point where he's unarguably the best 34 NT in the game.


On offense, off the top of my head, I'd say there's the following that are locks or well on their way to Canton.

QBs

Tom Brady (Lock)
Peyton Manning (Lock)
Aaron Rodgers (Lock)
Drew Brees (Lock)
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger


RBs

Adrian Peterson (Lock)

OTs

Joe Thomas (Lock)
Jake Long (Lock)
D'Brickashaw Ferguson

OG

Chris Snee
Logan Mankins
Steve Hutchinson (Lock)

C

Nick Mangold (Lock)
Jeff Saturday (Lock)

TE

Antonio Gates (Lock)
Tony Gonzalez (Lock)
Jason Witten

WR

Larry Fitzgerald (Lock)
Andre Johnson (Lock)

* Terrell Owens (Lock) - Until he retires

Watchman
10-19-2011, 02:46 AM
Nick Collins is not making the Hall of Fame unless he makes a drastic turnaround in his career where he, for once in his career, turns into the best safety in the game for a period of 3 to 4 years ... that is, of course, once he returns. That's the only way he makes it in and that's not likely to happen. And if the Packers win the Super Bowl without him (and put up a great regular season record, which they are likely to do), then it will only hurt his causes.

There are two safeties with any legitimate shot right now. Both are locks and everyone knows who they are.


Clay Matthews and BJ Raji are much better options for the Packers since they are actually dominant players at their position. Both are extremely young and both have a long way to go. Matthews game is leveling out right now in his 3rd season while Raji's game is improving to the point where he's unarguably the best 34 NT in the game.


On offense, off the top of my head, I'd say there's the following that are locks or well on their way to Canton.

QBs

Tom Brady (Lock)
Peyton Manning (Lock)
Aaron Rodgers (Lock)
Drew Brees (Lock)
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger


RBs

Adrian Peterson (Lock)

OTs

Joe Thomas (Lock)
Jake Long (Lock)
D'Brickashaw Ferguson

OG

Chris Snee
Logan Mankins
Steve Hutchinson (Lock)

C

Nick Mangold (Lock)
Jeff Saturday (Lock)

TE

Antonio Gates (Lock)
Tony Gonzalez (Lock)
Jason Witten

WR

Larry Fitzgerald (Lock)
Andre Johnson (Lock)

* Terrell Owens (Lock) - Until he retires

I disagree with some of your "locks" but not because the players don't have HOF potential, but because I need to see a level of play over a longer period of time. Aaron Rodgers is the best example. Absolute HOF potential, he just needs to keep playing at the level he currently is for a longer period of time.

stl9erfan
10-19-2011, 04:02 AM
nm, reading comprehension fail by me

jth1331
10-19-2011, 09:32 AM
Steve Atwater and Jack Tatum aren't in the hall of fame. John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, Brian Dawkins, and Darren Sharper probably won't get in. So when Collins retires does he deserve to be in ahead of any of these guys because there were no great players at his position for a year or 2 during his prime? He's just not that good.

This needs to be referenced for OP daily.

He made 3 Pro Bowls in a row. Another 3 and another championship? 40+ INTs?

Sounds like a HOF resume to me.

Atwater was arguably the best safety in the '90's, and hasn't really even sniffed the HOF. I guess people are getting hyped up into the whole safeties need to get as many interceptions as CB's now.

That said, Collins won't sniff the HOF.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 09:36 AM
These are always by far the worst threads.

Edit: Nick Collins. Oh dear God go play in traffic.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 09:39 AM
Would be tough for Briggs to not make it and have Urlacher make it since Briggs has arguably been better for the past few seasons. I'm not sold 100% on either but it's almost like if you let one in you have to let the other.
You're not sold on Brian Urlacher making the HOF, but you think Nick Collins has a shot? I just...****...I agree with Scotty, there need to rules about starting threads.

Bulldogs
10-19-2011, 09:39 AM
These are maybe's but the ones with best shot

Vernon Davis
Frank Gore

I'd say Patrick Willis has a better shot than both.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 09:54 AM
Here's your list. I interned for the Hall of Fame for two years and saw how the selection process took place.

1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) Ray Lewis
4) LaDanian Tomlinson
5) Randy Moss (retired now, I guess)
6) Tony Gonzalez
7) Brian Urlacher
8) Bill Bellicheck
9) Champ Bailey
10) Charles Woodson
11) Drew Brees

That's it for the locks. Here are the probable guys.
12) Terrell Owens
13) Steve Hutchison
14) Julius Peppers
15) Jason Taylor
16) Kevin Williams
17) Demarcus Ware
18) Ronde Barber
19) Ed Reed
20) Antonio Gates


And now the maybe in 5-15 years guys:
21) Brian Dawkins
22) Dwight Freeney
23) Troy Polamalu
24) Richard Seymour
25) James Harrison

Again, this is assuming they all died today. There are some guys I'm less sure about because while they are dominant now, they haven't played enough, and/or haven't been on winning teams. In this list I'd include Adrian Peterson, Larry Fitzgerald, Aaron Rodgers, and Andre Johnson.

There's also the curious case of Superbowls. The more I think about, the more Big Ben might have a chance ala Terry Bradshaw for simply being on teams that won the Superbowl. Most Superbowl winners usually get at least 2 HOF guys, and I'm not sure Polamalu and Harrison are the first guys to come to mind when thinking of the 00s Steelers.

cmarq83
10-19-2011, 10:04 AM
Here's your list. I interned for the Hall of Fame for two years and saw how the selection process took place.

1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) Ray Lewis
4) LaDanian Tomlinson
5) Randy Moss (retired now, I guess)
6) Tony Gonzalez
7) Brian Urlacher
8) Bill Bellicheck
9) Champ Bailey
10) Charles Woodson
11) Drew Brees

That's it for the locks. Here are the probable guys.
12) Terrell Owens
13) Steve Hutchison
14) Julius Peppers
15) Jason Taylor
16) Kevin Williams
17) Demarcus Ware
18) Ronde Barber
19) Ed Reed
20) Antonio Gates


And now the maybe in 5-15 years guys:
21) Brian Dawkins
22) Dwight Freeney
23) Troy Polamalu
24) Richard Seymour
25) James Harrison


Bearsfan I like your list. I'd probably flip Urlacher and Reed, Polamalu and Barber, and Williams and Freeney, but for the most part that's and excellent succinct list.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:07 AM
It's just harder to make it as a safety than as a middle linebacker. Urlacher deserves to get in based on his career performance and accolades, but he also benefits from being one the NFL's most marketable players for 5-10 years. It's the old, "would your girlfriend know who this person is" test.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:09 AM
I'm probably the least sure of Kevin Williams, but other than Warren Sapp, who is a first ballot guy, I think Williams has been the second best defensive tackle of his era. He might have to wait a while ala Cortez Kennedy, however. He plays a non-glamor defensive position AND he never won a Superbowl. That's a double-whammy.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:14 AM
Someone said Jake Long is a lock for the HOF now? What the ****? He's been playing for four years as an offensive lineman on a bunch of ****** teams. Ditto Joe Thomas. Do at least a little research before you post and try to find a single offensive lineman who played four seasons and made the HOF.

I mean, seriously, Jake Long. ****.

jth1331
10-19-2011, 10:16 AM
Someone said Jake Long is a lock for the HOF now? What the ****? He's been playing for four years as an offensive lineman on a bunch of ****** teams. Ditto Joe Thomas. Do at least a little research before you post and try to find a single offensive lineman who played four seasons and made the HOF.

I mean, seriously, Jake Long. ****.

So...are you saying he's not a lock? I couldn't quite tell.

I love your posts in this thread though. Basically my sentiments.

FUNBUNCHER
10-19-2011, 10:23 AM
Some players like Joe Thomas and Jake Long have early careers that are on a HOF track, part talent and part reputation.

Same deal with CMIII.

They aren't locks but they are headed towards Canton eventually if they can maintain their level of play for a 10+ year career.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:27 AM
No they ******* don't. Jake Long hasn't even made ONE probowl yet. As an offensive lineman, to make the HOF, you usually need to make at least 8-9 All-Pro teams.

Jake Long has the reputation for being a very solid offensive tackle who everyone will forget 3 years after he retires.

cmarq83
10-19-2011, 10:32 AM
It's just harder to make it as a safety than as a middle linebacker. Urlacher deserves to get in based on his career performance and accolades, but he also benefits from being one the NFL's most marketable players for 5-10 years. It's the old, "would your girlfriend know who this person is" test.

I think this is going to be less of a case with the new NFL. Reed isn't exactly like most top safeties in the past who were up for consideration, he's going to retire with gaudy interception totals, and a highlight reel to drool over. Interceptions are all the rage these days. My girlfriend who has been watching the Patriots a grand total of 2 years knows who Kyle Arrington and Devin McCourty are, but she still asks me who Jerod Mayo is. Plus, I think he's been a more dominant player relative to his position than Urlacher has been.

I'm probably the least sure of Kevin Williams, but other than Warren Sapp, who is a first ballot guy, I think Williams has been the second best defensive tackle of his era. He might have to wait a while ala Cortez Kennedy, however. He plays a non-glamor defensive position AND he never won a Superbowl. That's a double-whammy.

This is one of those situations where I don't think lack of good peers warrants HOF consideration. Williams has been good, but his play has fallen off sharply in recent years. I think since Sapp has retired Ngata has been a better player, and Suh is becoming what Kevin Williams used to be. I know he doesn't play a glamour position, but I don't think he's one of those change the dynamic of the game guys like the others on this list.

FUNBUNCHER
10-19-2011, 10:33 AM
Jake Long is a 3x pro bowler and 1x 1st team All Pro the last three seasons.

tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 10:42 AM
No they ******* don't. Jake Long hasn't even made ONE probowl yet. As an offensive lineman, to make the HOF, you usually need to make at least 8-9 All-Pro teams.

Jake Long has the reputation for being a very solid offensive tackle who everyone will forget 3 years after he retires.
3x Pro Bowler (08-10)
1st Team All Pro (2010)
2nd Team All Pro (2009)

Not saying he's a Hall of Famer, but he's been to some Pro Bowls and has made an All Pro team.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:44 AM
Ha. Whoops. I was too caught up in my anger and misread the source I was looking at. Sorry.

Even still, everything else stands. 4 years, offensive line, ****** team. He'll need to maintain that level of play for another 8-10 years to even have a chance.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:47 AM
This is one of those situations where I don't think lack of good peers warrants HOF consideration. Williams has been good, but his play has fallen off sharply in recent years. I think since Sapp has retired Ngata has been a better player, and Suh is becoming what Kevin Williams used to be. I know he doesn't play a glamour position, but I don't think he's one of those change the dynamic of the game guys like the others on this list.
I think you're underrating just how dominant the Williams wall really was. I can't think of another team that teams just gave up the run on like that.

You make good points across the board, though. If there's one change I'd make, it's probably dropping Williams to the "wait 5-15 years" category. All that said, whether Reed is more likely (which is more important than deserving), I think Urlacher is a lock for the aforementioned reasons.

I'd also probably add Big Ben or Hines Ward, even though neither really deserve it, because of Superbowls and stuff. I think the HOF committee is going to try really hard to find another Patriots player, which is why I think Seymour has a real shot. People will toss Ty Law's name around, but I pray to God that doesn't happen.

FUNBUNCHER
10-19-2011, 10:59 AM
Ha. Whoops. I was too caught up in my anger and misread the source I was looking at. Sorry.

Even still, everything else stands. 4 years, offensive line, ****** team. He'll need to maintain that level of play for another 8-10 years to even have a chance.

Agreed. But Jake Long is one of those young guys you can already see is headed down the road to Canton.

Four years into Urlacher's career, it was clear to me he was BETTER than Lavar Arrington and was putting together a HOF resume.

IMO most HOFers distinguish themselves early in their careers. After that it's longevity and consistency.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 11:00 AM
Well then I don't understand why you listed him as a lock now. I mean, Tony Boselli was a dominant lineman for five years, then injuries ruined him, and now you're going to wikipedia to find out who Tony Boselli was.

jth1331
10-19-2011, 11:02 AM
Well then I don't understand why you listed him as a lock now. I mean, Tony Boselli was a dominant lineman for five years, then injuries ruined him, and now you're going to wikipedia to find out who Tony Boselli was.

Man was Boselli a freakin beast man.

FUNBUNCHER
10-19-2011, 11:03 AM
LOL. I didn't make a list, at least not in this thread.
I was just commenting on people's selections.

'Lock' to me means if a player retires tomorrow, he's completed a HOF career.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 11:08 AM
Sorry. Got you confused with BigBanger. Should stop grading and posting at the same time.

the new jesus
10-19-2011, 11:16 AM
Ha. Whoops. I was too caught up in my anger and misread the source I was looking at. Sorry.

Even still, everything else stands. 4 years, offensive line, ****** team. He'll need to maintain that level of play for another 8-10 years to even have a chance.

And this thread is about guys who are ON TRACK for a HOF career, not guys who have had HOF careers. So there's nothing wrong with what he said.

Xonraider
10-19-2011, 11:18 AM
http://p.twimg.com/AcEE4afCEAEpnEy.jpg

Almost a lock.

FUNBUNCHER
10-19-2011, 11:22 AM
If Carson Palmer wins two SBs with the Raiders, he's gonna be soooo close.

But the odds are against them winning one forget about two.

tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 11:31 AM
And this thread is about guys who are ON TRACK for a HOF career, not guys who have had HOF careers. So there's nothing wrong with what he said.
Give me a loose definition of 'on track' then. Because some people are listing players who have been in the league for less than 5, and producing at the highest level for less than 3.

Denver Bronco56
10-19-2011, 11:34 AM
I think Champ Bailey is a lock... and Dawkins has a chance... thats about it for the broncos

But then again Broncos have a tough time getting into the hall... like previous poster have said Atwater is not in, Terrell Davis might not get in and both we elite players i would say Champ Bailey is a lock, and Dawkins for his time in Philly and like one year here in Denver

the new jesus
10-19-2011, 11:34 AM
Give me a loose definition of 'on track' then. Because some people are listing players who have been in the league for less than 5, and producing at the highest level for less than 3.

I tried to avoid listing the Clay Matthews' etc. of the world because the track record is too short.

On track is a guy that if he sustains his level of play he has a shot at making it. A perfect example would be Aaron Rodgers. He's not a HOF player at this point but chances are we'll see him in the Hall barring a major collapse.

tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 11:38 AM
Did anyone mention Devin Hester in this thread?

Denver Bronco56
10-19-2011, 11:39 AM
Give me a loose definition of 'on track' then. Because some people are listing players who have been in the league for less than 5, and producing at the highest level for less than 3.

The problem is people think a good player on their favorite team has a chance

When in reality people in the Hall are players like Elway, D.Sanders, B. Sanders, Montana.... Players that only come around once in a while.

Ray Rice is a good running back, so was Ricky Williams, Clinton Portis, Sean Alexander... None of those players in my mind are Hall of Fame candidates

Receivers also. Example would be Brandon Marshall for his time in Denver, but in the Grand scheme of things players like Jerry Rice and Randy moss are Hall of fame players not players like Marshall or Roddy White


Players that end up in the Hall are Icons and people that change the game, not your run of mill guy that goes to the pro bowl(which is a popularity contest now) a couple times and might lead the league one year.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 11:41 AM
I think a guy needs to have been playing at a high level for at least 6 years before you can really start talking about him being on track. It's not just injuries. Look at a guy like Shaun Alexander. He looked like an absolute lock for the HOF and then his play completely fell off (dude got paid), and that was that. There are way too many cases like that (far more than otherwise) to make this thread a meaningful discussion.

Otherwise, it's just a "who is really good right now" thread.

tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm probably going to miss some names.

Quarterbacks:
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger

Philip Rivers needs to win a Super Bowl to solidify himself here.

Running Backs:
LaDainian Tomlinson
Adrian Peterson

Wide Receivers:
Andre Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens

Even Calvin has a lot of work to do, but he could be considered as someone 'on track'.

Tight Ends:
Tony Gonzalez
Antonio Gates

I'm not even going to try with offensive lineman.

Defensive Lineman:
Jason Taylor
Julius Peppers
Jared Allen

Based on sack number they should have a chance.

Linebackers:
Ray Lewis
Brian Urlacher
Demarcus Ware

Cornerbacks:
Champ Bailey
Ronde Barber
Charles Woodson

Safeties:
Ed Reed
Troy Polamalu
Brian Dawkins (?)

Really can't think of anyone right now, drawing a blank.

cmarq83
10-19-2011, 12:12 PM
I think you're underrating just how dominant the Williams wall really was. I can't think of another team that teams just gave up the run on like that.

You make good points across the board, though. If there's one change I'd make, it's probably dropping Williams to the "wait 5-15 years" category. All that said, whether Reed is more likely (which is more important than deserving), I think Urlacher is a lock for the aforementioned reasons.

I'd also probably add Big Ben or Hines Ward, even though neither really deserve it, because of Superbowls and stuff. I think the HOF committee is going to try really hard to find another Patriots player, which is why I think Seymour has a real shot. People will toss Ty Law's name around, but I pray to God that doesn't happen.

We'll agree to disagree on Urlacher-Reed. I honestly think the only 3 dynasty Patriots who're hall worthy are Brady, Belichick, and Vinatieri. Those teams were good because they had 6-7 "Nick Collins" type players, but nobody else was a game breaker besides for Seymour and Law for a couple of years.

FUNBUNCHER
10-19-2011, 12:25 PM
Ty Law to me is a lock HOFer, or at least should be.
Very underrated and it's getting worse since he retired. The NFL IMO made a rule change because of Ty Law, no longer allowing defensive backs to hand check WRs more than 5 yards downfield.

tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 12:38 PM
Ty Law to me is a lock HOFer, or at least should be.
Very underrated and it's getting worse since he retired. The NFL IMO made a rule change because of Ty Law, no longer allowing defensive backs to hand check WRs more than 5 yards downfield.
Basically his whole career, he interfered with the WR is what you're saying.

boknows34
10-19-2011, 12:55 PM
Law will really struggle to get beyond the semi-finalist stage (Last 25). Five Pro Bowls and 2 1st team-All Pros will leave him a notch below Canton. I see his chances somewhat similar to those of Aeneas Williams who has 8 Pro Bowls and 3 1st team All-Pros but has yet to crack the Last 15. Law played for the Super Bowl Pats and that may give his candidacy some imputus over Williams who was stuck on some poor Cards teams. Then again Lester Hayes has two rings and the 1980 DPOTY but couldn't quite make it and has now dropped into the Seniors Pool.

The defensive back nominations for the Class of 2012 were:
Eric Allen (CB), Steve Atwater (S), Joey Browner (S), LeRoy Butler (S), Kenny Easley (S), Albert Lewis (CB), Donnie Shell (S), Troy Vincent (CB), Everson Walls (CB), Aeneas Williams (CB/S), Darren Woodson (S)

Law's problem is that his name doesn't jump out among that list and then he'll have Bailey, Woodson and Barber to contend with. For some reason Carnell Lake, Frank Minnifield and Deron Cherry didn't even make the prelim list.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 12:58 PM
http://sportsagent.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/patsnewlogoia7custom.jpg

Complex
10-19-2011, 12:58 PM
If Barber gets in before Ty Law the Hall of Fame voters need to kicked in the balls.

Watchman
10-19-2011, 01:07 PM
If Barber gets in before Ty Law the Hall of Fame voters need to kicked in the balls.

I've loved having Barber on my Bucs all these years, but I'm not convinced he's a HOFer, and if he is I think he'll have a 5-10 year wait.

I think the only two lock HOFers from the Bucs peak are Brooks and Sapp. Barber is a maybe, I'd say Lynch is a no, and Simeno Rice is a no.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 01:19 PM
I've loved having Barber on my Bucs all these years, but I'm not convinced he's a HOFer, and if he is I think he'll have a 5-10 year wait.

I think the only two lock HOFers from the Bucs peak are Brooks and Sapp. Barber is a maybe, I'd say Lynch is a no, and Simeno Rice is a no.

What about Keyshawn? Kind of an interesting debate there actually.

jth1331
10-19-2011, 01:27 PM
We'll agree to disagree on Urlacher-Reed. I honestly think the only 3 dynasty Patriots who're hall worthy are Brady, Belichick, and Vinatieri. Those teams were good because they had 6-7 "Nick Collins" type players, but nobody else was a game breaker besides for Seymour and Law for a couple of years.

Vinatieri I'd question.
Kickers are tough as heck to get in, and there are a lot of kickers who'd I'd consider to be warranted a spot in the HOF.
I hear of no mention of candidacy at all of Jason Elam, Morten Andersen, Gary Anderson, etc.
I understand his late game kicks to win big games, its just I don't see him getting in before some other people.
Man I'd flip out if Vinatieri makes it before some guys who should be in who aren't.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-19-2011, 01:30 PM
I think a guy needs to have been playing at a high level for at least 6 years before you can really start talking about him being on track. It's not just injuries. Look at a guy like Shaun Alexander. He looked like an absolute lock for the HOF and then his play completely fell off (dude got paid), and that was that. There are way too many cases like that (far more than otherwise) to make this thread a meaningful discussion.

Otherwise, it's just a "who is really good right now" thread.

Why is everyone so sold on Drew Brees making it into the hall of fame?

Hurricanes25
10-19-2011, 01:42 PM
Why is everyone so sold on Drew Brees making it into the hall of fame?

By the time he retires, he is going to be top 5 or top 10 in most of the QB statistical categories.

Edit: And the Super Bowl ring will help his cause.

cmarq83
10-19-2011, 01:43 PM
Vinatieri I'd question.
Kickers are tough as heck to get in, and there are a lot of kickers who'd I'd consider to be warranted a spot in the HOF.
I hear of no mention of candidacy at all of Jason Elam, Morten Andersen, Gary Anderson, etc.
I understand his late game kicks to win big games, its just I don't see him getting in before some other people.
Man I'd flip out if Vinatieri makes it before some guys who should be in who aren't.

His resume of clutch kicking is just so unreal though. In the eyes of voters there has to be some consideration for iconic moments. The guy has 2 SB winning field goals and maybe one of the most memorable kicks ever in the tuck rule game. It's just really unusual for somebody to get as many big time opportunities as he has had, and he's basically 100% in those opportunities. Kickers are at a disadvantage to get in, but I really think he deserves to be in based on performance. In terms of success relative to what you can accomplish at that position he's pretty much broken the ceiling there. I also think after 10-15 years of eligibility he'll get in during a weak class because it wouldn't seen right to only have 1 player from the Patriots dynasty in the hall of fame. Plus, he has an extra championship and more clutch kicks with the Colts too.

niel89
10-19-2011, 01:44 PM
Why is everyone so sold on Drew Brees making it into the hall of fame?

I'm with you. I don't think its completely locked up. I think that his numbers are real good, but its the SB win and the story that goes with it that push him into the Hall.

BigBanger
10-19-2011, 02:21 PM
Someone said Jake Long is a lock for the HOF now? What the ****? He's been playing for four years as an offensive lineman on a bunch of ****** teams. Ditto Joe Thomas. Do at least a little research before you post and try to find a single offensive lineman who played four seasons and made the HOF.

I mean, seriously, Jake Long. ****.
I was the one that mentioned Jake Long as a HOFer ... obviously not a lock if he died today, but for what he's proven over the course of his first 3 1/2 seasons and projecting that same level of dominance for another 5 years ... that makes him a lock.

Research you ask for ... okay, let's research ...

No they ******* don't. Jake Long hasn't even made ONE probowl yet. As an offensive lineman, to make the HOF, you usually need to make at least 8-9 All-Pro teams.

Jake Long has the reputation for being a very solid offensive tackle who everyone will forget 3 years after he retires.

You beat me to it, but talk about doing some research. You're really good at it. Dumbass.

How can you bash a player and not know that he hasn't been to one Pro Bowl, let alone the last three straight which just so happen to be his first three years in the NFL? Do you even watch the ******* sport? Do you have any idea who Jake Long is? That's a serious question because that is one of the most ******** things I've ever seen on this site.

And Jake Long does not have that reputation. Holy ****. Where did you research that? LINK ME THERE. I'D LOVE TO SEE IT.

Instead of doing your research, you could just try watching a team outside of Chicago. Then you'd might know about a player that's been elite since the day he stepped foot in the NFL. It's pretty easy to see where his career is going. And because he plays for a ****** team, that does not give you the right to be completely ignorant about him and act as if he accomplishes nothing since his teammates all suck. Quit being thick in front of me. Just because you watch 16 Bears games a year and maybe the Super Bowl doesn't mean there aren't other great players in the NFL.


EDIT: And Ronde Barber ******* sucks. He is not a Hall of Famer.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 02:23 PM
Someone got their vagina hurt.

I don't see how you can project someone as a lock in the HOF who has played for four years. Let alone someone as non-dominant as Jake Long. Admittedly I misread the part about the pro-bowl, but still, it's not like we're talking about AD or someone who is demostratively dominant.

Quoting you: "On offense, off the top of my head, I'd say these are the following that are locks or well on their way to Canton."

So you made the distinction between lock now, and well on their way, and you labled Long as a lock now. I suppose we could have a reasonable argument about if Long is on his way, but he most certainly isn't anything even remotely resembling a lock.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 02:28 PM
Why is everyone so sold on Drew Brees making it into the hall of fame?
Because it's so insanely easy to make the HOF as a QB. Troy Aikman was a first ballot guy.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 02:30 PM
Big Ben will also make the HOF, but will probably wait a little while cause of the rapey rape stuff. I just didn't want to put him on my list because it makes me have a sad.

Raiderz4Life
10-19-2011, 02:30 PM
Basically his whole career, he interfered with the WR is what you're saying.

Doesn't matter if it was legal.

BigBanger
10-19-2011, 02:34 PM
Someone got their vagina hurt.

No you're just ******* stupid and don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.


EDIT: Long is not "demonstratively" (I think that's the word you were going for) dominant though? Why? Because you don't see him running with a football? Because you don't see him trucking people? 2.5 sacks allowed as a rookie? Is that dominant? Or do you need to do more research? Did he get snubbed for an All-Pro selection his rookie year because of veterans with name recognition? Because thats pretty much the case. He has been dominant. You just haven't noticed. Thats kinda your fault for not knowing what's going on. Obviously you need dominance thrown in your face before you realize it.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 02:34 PM
I would actually listen to an argument about Ty Law. I don't think I agree, but there were at least a few years where he played out of his mind.

I think Law is hurt mostly by the fact that the Patriots didn't skip a beat when they showed him the door. He's going to be lumped into the Deion Branch territory.

I also think Ronde Barber is close to a lock. The media loves them some Ronde Barber. He's only more of a lock now that Tiki Barber turned himself into the evil twin.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 02:35 PM
No you're just ******* stupid and don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.
So Jake Long is a lock for the HOF now? Got it.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 02:39 PM
No you're just ******* stupid and don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.


EDIT: Long is not "demonstratively" (I think that's the word you were going for) dominant though? Why? Because you don't see him running with a football? Because you don't see him trucking people? 2.5 sacks allowed as a rookie? Is that dominant? Or do you need to do more research? Did he get snubbed for an All-Pro selection his rookie because of veterans with name recognition? That's pretty much the case. He has been dominant. You just haven't noticed.
Oh my gawsh, I left out the n on the word. I made a typo.

And actually, yes. Do you think that most HOF voters watch hours on end of game film on all of the nominees? You even note that he was snubbed for guys with better name recognition. What the hell do you think the Hall of Fame is?

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 02:39 PM
So Jake Long is a lock for the HOF now? Got it.

I saw Larry English beat Long for a sack the other week. He might have gotten both of his sacks off Long now that I think about it. DQ, DQ.

Saints-Tigers
10-19-2011, 02:52 PM
How would Brees not be a HOF? The dude has a flawless superbowl run, and multiple records, and half a decade leading the top rated offense, and not one person on the Saints will even be close to making the HOF, and we really don't have perennial pro bowlers, it's all Drew.

the new jesus
10-19-2011, 03:00 PM
Oh my gawsh, I left out the n on the word. I made a typo.

And actually, yes. Do you think that most HOF voters watch hours on end of game film on all of the nominees? You even note that he was snubbed for guys with better name recognition. What the hell do you think the Hall of Fame is?

The point is the name recognition and accolades will come. He's on pace for the HOF.

This thread isn't about people who are locks to the HOF. It's about guys that are on pace.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 03:21 PM
The point is the name recognition and accolades will come. He's on pace for the HOF.

This thread isn't about people who are locks to the HOF. It's about guys that are on pace.
But at what point do you start that pace? Cam Newton is having a great rookie season. Sam Bradford won rookie of the year. Are they "on pace" for the HOF? Would anyone even seriously have that conversation? Is Andrew Luck on pace for the HOF?

Also, again, the OP said that Long was a lock, and made the distinction between those that were locks, and those that were on their way. Meaning, by his own words, that Long was already there.

-IF Long plays at an elite level for 10 more years, he's got a chance.

-IF the Dolphins turn it around so that they make it on television and in the playoffs every once in a while, he's got a chance.

-IF he makes about 10 more all-pro teams, he's got a chance.

But couldn't you say that about dozens, if not hundreds of players?

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 03:29 PM
But at what point do you start that pace? Cam Newton is having a great rookie season. Sam Bradford won rookie of the year. Are they "on pace" for the HOF? Would anyone even seriously have that conversation? Is Andrew Luck on pace for the HOF?

Also, again, the OP said that Long was a lock, and made the distinction between those that were locks, and those that were on their way. Meaning, by his own words, that Long was already there.

-IF Long plays at an elite level for 10 more years, he's got a chance.

-IF the Dolphins turn it around so that they make it on television and in the playoffs every once in a while, he's got a chance.

-IF he makes about 10 more all-pro teams, he's got a chance.

But couldn't you say that about dozens, if not hundreds of players?

I hear Canton already has Luck's bust ready, actually.

cmarq83
10-19-2011, 03:43 PM
This thread isn't about people who are locks to the HOF. It's about guys that are on pace.

and Nick Collins

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 03:44 PM
I'm coming around to Nick Collins. If he can get to that 6th pro bowl in the next few years he is a LOCK.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 03:48 PM
-Collins has 21 interceptions through 7 seasons, at a pace of 3 interceptions a year.

-The record for interceptions in a career is 81.

-Collins is 28.

-So, if he stays at this pace, he'll break the record by time he's 48.

Hall of Fame ticket, consider yourself punched.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 03:49 PM
-Collins has 21 interceptions through 7 seasons, at a pace of 3 interceptions a year.

-The record for interceptions in a career is 81.

-Collins is 28.

-So, if he stays at this pace, he'll break the record by time he's 48.

Hall of Fame ticket, consider yourself punched.

Come on BF you are discounting the number of years he is going to spend as the 3rd-6th best safety in the league.

the new jesus
10-19-2011, 03:56 PM
-Collins has 21 interceptions through 7 seasons, at a pace of 3 interceptions a year.

-The record for interceptions in a career is 81.

-Collins is 28.

-So, if he stays at this pace, he'll break the record by time he's 48.

Hall of Fame ticket, consider yourself punched.

Right, you need to break the INT record in order to make the Hall. How many does Polamalu have?

SickwithIt1010
10-19-2011, 03:58 PM
Looking at bearsfan's list a couple pages back. You have some of those guys as locks, and then you leave T.O. off? I know the guy is a prick, but the guy is 2nd in NFL history in yds, and 3rd in td's, I mean I know the guy doesnt have a ring...but neither does Moss and you have him as a lock.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 04:01 PM
Looking at bearsfan's list a couple pages back. You have some of those guys as locks, and then you leave T.O. off? I know the guy is a prick, but the guy is 2nd in NFL history in yds, and 3rd in td's, I mean I know the guy doesnt have a ring...but neither does Moss and you have him as a lock.

Everyone he listed is still in the league, except Randy who he noted with a (retired) parenthetical.

MetSox17
10-19-2011, 04:03 PM
To bf_51, i see on multiple posts you left out Jason Witten, yet put in Antonio Gates. Aside from the touchdowns (Gates has 69, Witten has 38), Witten has more catches (648 to 537) and more yards (7,381 to 7,079). He has been to the same amount of Pro Bowls (7), and they've both been named All-Pro five times.

When you take the recognition factor into the equation and the fact that he played for the Dallas Cowboys, how is his career resume any different than Gates', and why shouldn't he be considered a HoF caliber guy when he has been a top two TE since his entry into the league? At the pace that he is going, he will probably retire with a lot of the All-Time TE records, and he already has Gates (who many consider a lock, or close to a lock) beat in many categories. I just wanna know if it's an honest mistake in overlooking his resume, or if you have some kind of explanation why you don't think he's HoF worthy.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 04:05 PM
lol is Gates really sitting pretty at 69 TDs? That's awesome. Awwww yea.

MetSox17
10-19-2011, 04:06 PM
Yeah, it helps when you're the #1 target in the red-zone for your offense. It also helps to have an OC that knows what the **** he's doing. Neither of which Witten is/has.

jth1331
10-19-2011, 04:07 PM
Gates is not a lock fellas. He's starting the decline with injuries and I just don't see him producing that much more.
He was a beast, but if he is done production wise, I don't see much support for a few years for him.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 04:08 PM
Yeah, it helps when you're the #1 target in the red-zone for your offense. It also helps to have an OC that knows what the **** he's doing. Neither of which Witten is/has.

Yeah I like Witten a lot, wouldn't swap for Gates though. Gates is teh sex his injury over the last year+ saddens me deeply.

MetSox17
10-19-2011, 04:11 PM
Yeah I like Witten a lot, wouldn't swap for Gates though. Gates is teh sex his injury over the last year+ saddens me deeply.

I share the sentiment. If you would have had Witten since his rookie year, i'm sure you would feel the exact same way. He has been consistently All-Pro caliber since coming into the league. If only we looked at him more in the red zone (like we ******* should), i wouldn't have to make a case for him. He's gonna go down as one of the greatest.

Also, he never has nagging toe injuries ;)

M.O.T.H.
10-19-2011, 04:13 PM
I'd be shocked if Witten doesnt make it.

He fits into that top of the league for so and so years criteria. And he's one of the most complete TEs to ever play the game. When he's finished he'll be 2/3 in receptions and yards...probably 2nd, only to Gonzalez.

And Ware is well on his way. He has the highest sack per season average of all-time currently, at over 13 per season. And he's been one of the league's most dominant forces since his 2nd season in the league. You have hall of fame coaches comparing the guy to LT and Thomas...he's dominant, has the eye popping stats, and he's got the big name and glowing reviews from opposing coaches and players.

jth1331
10-19-2011, 04:18 PM
I'd be shocked if Witten doesnt make it.

He fits into that top of the league for so and so years criteria. And he's one of the most complete TEs to ever play the game. When he's finished he'll be 2/3 in receptions and yards...probably 2nd, only to Gonzalez.

And Ware is well on his way. He has the highest sack per season average of all-time currently, at over 13 per season. And he's been one of the league's most dominant forces since his 2nd season in the league. You have hall of fame coaches comparing the guy to LT and Thomas...he's dominant, has the eye popping stats, and he's got the big name and glowing reviews from opposing coaches and players.

I still remember being shocked Witten fell to the 3rd round in the draft. Cowboys got a freakin steal there.
And I also remember the 2005 NFL Draft and a couple years after everyone clamoring about Shawne Merriman and not much about Ware.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 04:25 PM
I still remember being shocked Witten fell to the 3rd round in the draft. Cowboys got a freakin steal there.
And I also remember the 2005 NFL Draft and a couple years after everyone clamoring about Shawne Merriman and not much about Ware.

What are some other things you remember...do you remember junior prom?

SickwithIt1010
10-19-2011, 04:29 PM
Here's your list. I interned for the Hall of Fame for two years and saw how the selection process took place.

1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) Ray Lewis
4) LaDanian Tomlinson
5) Randy Moss (retired now, I guess)
6) Tony Gonzalez
7) Brian Urlacher
8) Bill Bellicheck
9) Champ Bailey
10) Charles Woodson
11) Drew Brees

That's it for the locks. Here are the probable guys.
12) Terrell Owens
13) Steve Hutchison
14) Julius Peppers
15) Jason Taylor
16) Kevin Williams
17) Demarcus Ware
18) Ronde Barber
19) Ed Reed
20) Antonio Gates


Everyone he listed is still in the league, except Randy who he noted with a (retired) parenthetical.

Im reading it as he thinks those guys are locks over T.O.

scottyboy
10-19-2011, 04:30 PM
threads like these are why we cant have nice things.

nick collins? for realsies. Jake Long? oy vey.

Ray Rice is an obvious lock, but some of these names getting throw around are absurd.

jth1331
10-19-2011, 04:30 PM
What are some other things you remember...do you remember junior prom?

I remember a couple Super Bowl victories for my team. Do you remember your team winning any Super Bowls?

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 04:31 PM
Hm I guess I don't really disagree there...although BF did misspell Ladainian, that's not cool. Brees could probably go a bit longer, but he will. TO has a lot working against him despite the #s, mainly the fact that he is the poster child for destroying teams. That's a big deal for these old school Canton voters, don't forget how long it took freaking Art Monk to get in.

Splat
10-19-2011, 04:36 PM
No you're just ******* stupid and don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

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niel89
10-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Is Andrew Luck on pace for the HOF?


John Elway=HoF, Manning=HoF, so naturally Luck=HoF.

CC.SD
10-19-2011, 04:48 PM
I remember a couple Super Bowl victories for my team. Do you remember your team winning any Super Bowls?

lol are you serious, take your random garbage back to the espn boards

scottyboy
10-19-2011, 05:00 PM
I remember a couple Super Bowl victories for my team. Do you remember your team winning any Super Bowls?

a better response would've been:
"no, because I got too wasted at my junior prom with your mother"

instead your comeback was weak and not deserving of CC. pssh

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 05:15 PM
Looking at bearsfan's list a couple pages back. You have some of those guys as locks, and then you leave T.O. off? I know the guy is a prick, but the guy is 2nd in NFL history in yds, and 3rd in td's, I mean I know the guy doesnt have a ring...but neither does Moss and you have him as a lock.
In my mind, T.O. is about as close to a lock as you can get without being a lock. The only hangup is, a lot of the HOF voters are ooooolllld. Sid Hartman votes for the HOF, and he's 91 years old. I just wonder how much those guys hold it against T.O. for epitomizing the whole diva era.

Or, rather, who is it that makes the convincing case for him? Usually, if a guy gets in, it's either because the resume is overwhelming, or there is a local writer who makes the case for him year after year until he accumulates enough votes (see: Dan Pompei for Richard Dent).

I think T.O. is a first ballot guy and a top 5 receiver, but the only people I considered locks were guys that I just couldn't imagine anyone making a serious argument against. I think there is an argument to make against T.O. I think it's ********, but I think it's there.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 05:17 PM
Ladanian is a stupid name. I blame his mother.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 05:20 PM
To bf_51, i see on multiple posts you left out Jason Witten, yet put in Antonio Gates. Aside from the touchdowns (Gates has 69, Witten has 38), Witten has more catches (648 to 537) and more yards (7,381 to 7,079). He has been to the same amount of Pro Bowls (7), and they've both been named All-Pro five times.

When you take the recognition factor into the equation and the fact that he played for the Dallas Cowboys, how is his career resume any different than Gates', and why shouldn't he be considered a HoF caliber guy when he has been a top two TE since his entry into the league? At the pace that he is going, he will probably retire with a lot of the All-Time TE records, and he already has Gates (who many consider a lock, or close to a lock) beat in many categories. I just wanna know if it's an honest mistake in overlooking his resume, or if you have some kind of explanation why you don't think he's HoF worthy.
It's not an oversight per se, but you certainly make a convincing argument.

The TDs make a difference, but I was more going off of the perception that Antonio Gates has been a more transcendent player.

The last 10-15 years has seen a significant rise in the athletic tight end. Tony Gonzalez is the poster boy for that, and hence the fact that he's a lock (changing your position is usually a big bonus). I think Gates is perceived by more media members as being of that ilk (athletic freak turned football player), whereas Witten is more of the traditional tight end who also caught a lot of passes. I'm totally willing to concede that is a totally unfair assessment, and it made be completely in my head, but that's where I was coming from.

Bulldogs
10-19-2011, 08:46 PM
One name that stuck out to me in your list BF is Ed Reed, I would think if he retired today he would be a 1st Ballot kind of guy. Doesn't help that he didn't win a Super Bowl but he's pretty much dominated since day one.

niel89
10-19-2011, 09:07 PM
One name that stuck out to me in your list BF is Ed Reed, I would think if he retired today he would be a 1st Ballot kind of guy. Doesn't help that he didn't win a Super Bowl but he's pretty much dominated since day one.

Good catch there. I think that Ed Reed is easily in, and probably near a 1st ballot guy. The guy is basically the ideal of the modern play making safety. He certainly is above Ronde Barber.

7 Pro Bowls, 7 All Pro selections, Defensive player of the year, most games with multi INTs, 2000s All decade team.

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 09:20 PM
Like I said, I only included guys I couldn't make a case against (and Reed isn't below Barber, just in the same category). Considering how discriminatory the voters have been against safeties, I don't think I would consider any safety or interior lineman a lock.

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10-19-2011, 10:08 PM
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TheFinisher
10-19-2011, 10:13 PM
QB: Brady, Manning
RB: Tomlinson
WR: Moss, Owens(though they're technically already retired)
TE: Gonzalez... Witten, Gates(both need to keep their current pace of chasing Gonzalez, it's very hard for TEs to get in but they are 2 of the best ever.)

DL: Jason Taylor
LB: Ray Lewis, Demarcus Ware
DB: Champ Bailey, Ed Reed

Other older guys who I think have a chance but aren't clear cut:
-Ronde Barber
-Julius Peppers
-Brian Urlacher
-Charles Woodson

Younger guys who are on track that I'd bet on:
-Fitzgerald
-Revis

robert pancake gallery
10-19-2011, 10:13 PM
from the raiders i'm thinking we got a real shot with darren mcfadden if he can keep this up for another 15 seasons, he should have a real shot at getting into the HOF

also we have my name sebastian janikowski who enough said has one of the biggest legs in NFL history, richard 'big money' seymour has a real shot at it depending on how he keeps playing, kam wimbley has looked really good since we got him from cleveland and he is my hall of fame sleeper of the group

also i guess now that we got carson palmer there is that chance that he is going to be the opportunity we've been waiting for and he could be the catalyst for a few super bowls which would make him a first balloter, and terrelle pryor is another name to think about, he has all the tools to become a hall of fame worthy player... realistically he will probably make a few pro bowls, but don't be surprised if in 10-15 years terrelle pryor is the face of the NFL

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:24 PM
from the raiders i'm thinking we got a real shot with darren mcfadden if he can keep this up for another 15 seasons, he should have a real shot at getting into the HOF

also we have my name sebastian janikowski who enough said has one of the biggest legs in NFL history, richard 'big money' seymour has a real shot at it depending on how he keeps playing, kam wimbley has looked really good since we got him from cleveland and he is my hall of fame sleeper of the group

also i guess now that we got carson palmer there is that chance that he is going to be the opportunity we've been waiting for and he could be the catalyst for a few super bowls which would make him a first balloter, and terrelle pryor is another name to think about, he has all the tools to become a hall of fame worthy player... realistically he will probably make a few pro bowls, but don't be surprised if in 10-15 years terrelle pryor is the face of the NFL
I...think this is a joke?

Judges?

MetSox17
10-19-2011, 10:25 PM
Yeah that has to be a joke.

robert pancake gallery
10-19-2011, 10:29 PM
I...think this is a joke?

Judges?

i guess some of those names were a bit of a reach, but really look at mcfadden coming out of college; its possible he gets injured or something, but at this point i can't say anyone is better at his position which has to count for something... i'll agree that pryor hasn't played a snap yet, but seeing some of his work in college, he is a very special player with zounds of potential;

just imagine in 5 years the broncos and raiders becoming an epic battle of good (tebow) vs. evil (pryor) every year. tebow would in many ways be like a jedi master where pryor is sort of the sith lord and al davis the post-mortem emperor (too soon?)... sorry but that scenario is just way too awesome to not happen

bearsfan_51
10-19-2011, 10:30 PM
i guess some of those names were a bit of a reach, but really look at mcfadden coming out of college; its possible he gets injured or something, but at this point i can't say anyone is better at his position which has to count for something... i'll agree that pryor hasn't played a snap yet, but seeing some of his work in college, he is a very special player with zounds of potential;

just imagine in 5 years the broncos and raiders becoming an epic battle of good (tebow) vs. evil (pryor) every year. tebow would in many ways be like a jedi master where pryor is sort of the sith lord and al davis the post-mortem emperor (too soon?)... sorry but that scenario is just way too awesome to not happen
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yo123
10-19-2011, 10:30 PM
How much is a zound?

robert pancake gallery
10-19-2011, 10:33 PM
How much is a zound?

more than a swarm or throng, but less than a legion

wogitalia
10-19-2011, 10:34 PM
Vikes really only have 4...

Hutchison is the top OG of the past decade and really should be a lock at this point.

Jared Allen is the most productive, if not the best, DE of the past decade as well so has a very strong case. If he can have a couple more years he moves to lock.

Kevin Williams was looking like he was on the path to being a lock but has really fallen off the last couple of years and is either going to need some serious longevity or a mini-revival to get back, especially with guys like Suh and Ngata playing as well as he ever did and being far more marketable and known.

Adrian Peterson is well on the path. Couple more seasons and he is probably a lock.

I wish Winfield were a chance but unfortunately he just wont have the INT numbers to compete. Still is close to the best tackling/hitting CB of the past 10 years and has been an exceptional player.

I guess technically McNabb has a HOF chance but it sure isn't as a Viking.

Greenway is our only other player with any semblance of a chance, he is one of the very best OLB in the game, but that is just about the least respected position(pass rushers aside) and he would need to maintain the past couple of years for at least another 5. Still he is an elite player that gets lost on a pretty awful overall defense.

PoopSandwich
10-19-2011, 10:36 PM
i guess some of those names were a bit of a reach, but really look at mcfadden coming out of college; its possible he gets injured or something, but at this point i can't say anyone is better at his position which has to count for something... i'll agree that pryor hasn't played a snap yet, but seeing some of his work in college, he is a very special player with zounds of potential;

just imagine in 5 years the broncos and raiders becoming an epic battle of good (tebow) vs. evil (pryor) every year. tebow would in many ways be like a jedi master where pryor is sort of the sith lord and al davis the post-mortem emperor (too soon?)... sorry but that scenario is just way too awesome to not happen

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tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 11:38 PM
This thread is delivering.

Hurricanes25
10-19-2011, 11:42 PM
Another fantastic thread in the pro football forum. And I mean that in the most sarcastic way.

tjsunstein
10-19-2011, 11:43 PM
Another fantastic thread in the pro football forum. And I mean that in the most sarcastic way.
We've had some real winners lately. Where did the good ones (posters and threads) go?

Gay Ork Wang
10-19-2011, 11:48 PM
more than a swarm or throng, but less than a legion
is that a Heroes of Might and Magic reference?

Raiderz4Life
10-19-2011, 11:49 PM
more than a swarm or throng, but less than a legion

Evony player I take it? lol

XxXdragonXxX
10-19-2011, 11:52 PM
Seahawks

QB- Charlie Whitehurst
WR- Doug Baldwin
The entire offensive line except Robert Gallery
TE- Zach Miller

DE/DT- Red Bryant
DE- Chris Clemons
CB- Brandon Browner (CFL Hall of Fame)
And the best safety duo in the league. Drafted together, retire together, inducted together. Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas.

Punter- Jon Ryan
KR- Leon Washington


I might have forgot a couple.

robert pancake gallery
10-19-2011, 11:56 PM
is that a Heroes of Might and Magic reference?

let's just say that i'm a big fan of the giants and titans

Breed
10-19-2011, 11:57 PM
What a ******* terrible list of Seahawk players, those guys have no shot!

Here's a few eagles who all have a legit shot at the HOF...

Micheal Viock
Nnamdi Asomugha
Jason Peters

D-Jax & McCoy really have to turn it up a few notches down the line in their careers to get the nod...

XxXdragonXxX
10-20-2011, 12:00 AM
What a ******* terrible list of Seahawk players, those guys have no shot!



You crazy.

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 12:02 AM
What a ******* terrible list of Seahawk players, those guys have no shot!

Here's a few eagles who all have a legit shot at the HOF...

Micheal Viock
Nnamdi Asomugha
Jason Peters

D-Jax & McCoy really have to turn it up a few notches down the line in their careers to get the nod...
I'll say confidently that none of those players are making it.

You know Jason Peters sucked in Buffalo right? Pro Bowls or not, he wasn't good. Certainly not HOF material in the loosest definition of the term.

Breed
10-20-2011, 12:07 AM
I'll say confidently that none of those players are making it.

You know Jason Peters sucked in Buffalo right? Pro Bowls or not, he wasn't good. Certainly not HOF material in the loosest definition of the term.

Okay, you make a point. But still, Vick most rushing yards by a QB, and don't let me get started on Nnamdi's eliteness..

BuddyCHRIST
10-20-2011, 12:15 AM
You crazy.

Is that Baldwin on that block?

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 12:17 AM
Okay, you make a point. But still, Vick most rushing yards by a QB, and don't let me get started on Nnamdi's eliteness..
Vick hasn't done anything HOF worthy other than run.

Please make a case for Nnamdi, then.

XxXdragonXxX
10-20-2011, 12:28 AM
Is that Baldwin on that block?

Kam Chancellor.

CC.SD
10-20-2011, 12:55 AM
I really have to give it up to Zounds

Brodeur
10-20-2011, 01:08 AM
Pretty sure Charlie Whitehurst is already going to be in the hall of fame.

Complex
10-20-2011, 01:11 AM
I'll say confidently that none of those players are making it.

You know Jason Peters sucked in Buffalo right? Pro Bowls or not, he wasn't good. Certainly not HOF material in the loosest definition of the term.

You know your wrong right?

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 01:17 AM
You know your wrong right?
Ok, I'll rephrase to severely overrated.

Brodeur
10-20-2011, 01:19 AM
You know your wrong right?

Well, you are not particularly right in this case..

XxXdragonXxX
10-20-2011, 08:52 AM
Pretty sure Charlie Whitehurst is already going to be in the hall of fame.

Yup. He'd be inducted already if it weren't for the ridiculous rule that you have to be retired for 5 years.

jth1331
10-20-2011, 09:55 AM
lol are you serious, take your random garbage back to the espn boards

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draftguru151
10-20-2011, 10:03 AM
He's obviously not a lock (considering he's 5 games into his 4th year), but it's hard to argue against Jake Long being a potential HOF. There definitely aren't hundreds of guys with as good of arguments as he has atm.

Hopefully blocking for Luck will seal the deal though.

vidae
10-20-2011, 10:09 AM
He's obviously not a lock (considering he's 5 games into his 4th year), but it's hard to argue against Jake Long being a potential HOF. There definitely aren't hundreds of guys with as good of arguments as he has atm.

Hopefully blocking for Luck will seal the deal though.

The Dolphins are trading Long to the Chiefs? Sweet!

draftguru151
10-20-2011, 10:10 AM
I said Luck not Barkley!

Ravens1991
10-20-2011, 11:47 AM
This may have been talked about but what are the chances of elite run stuffers in 34 like Aaron Smith, Wilfork and Ngata getting into the hall?

FUNBUNCHER
10-20-2011, 11:51 AM
Ngata and Wilfork oh and Richard Seymour are the only 34 interior players I see eventually getting HOF recognition.

34 lineman are supposed to be nondescript grunt run stuffers in a 34 and elite Dline talent usually has not been the hallmark of this scheme.
The LBs are the stars, not the lineman.

vidae
10-20-2011, 12:18 PM
I said Luck not Barkley!

Nooo! Please no!

jayceheathman
10-20-2011, 09:25 PM
Andre Johnson and that is it.

tjsunstein
10-20-2011, 09:30 PM
At this pace, with the snubs we already have, it might take upward of 15 years for some of the names listed in this thread to get in.

49ers1984
10-20-2011, 11:54 PM
By the time he retires, he is going to be top 5 or top 10 in most of the QB statistical categories.

Edit: And the Super Bowl ring will help his cause.

We are looking at an ERA though of high passing numbers so I do not think his numbers will really be that important. His Superbowl win helped but will it be enough to separate him? Roethlisberger has 2, Rodgers has 1, Eli Maning has 1. I am not saying all those players are better or are going make the HOF but he needs to do more like win another Superbowl or an MVP.

49ers1984
10-21-2011, 12:02 AM
We could also should consider coaches.
Belichick is the only lock but others have potential like
Sean Payton
Mike Tomlin
Tom Coughlin
Mike McCarthy

Ness
10-21-2011, 12:05 AM
I'm hoping Patrick Willis has a chance. The 49ers are going to have to make the playoffs a few times though to help his cause.

bearsfan_51
10-21-2011, 12:13 AM
We could also should consider coaches.
Belichick is the only lock but others have potential like
Sean Payton
Mike Tomlin
Tom Coughlin
Mike McCarthy
You forgot Mike Shannahan, who currently has a better chance than any of those guys (although the three young guys all have good chances going forward)

tjsunstein
10-21-2011, 12:18 AM
We could also should consider coaches.
Belichick is the only lock but others have potential like
Sean Payton
Mike Tomlin
Tom Coughlin
Mike McCarthy
I didn't even think of including any other coach other than Belichick. I hope you're right with McCarthy because that would mean he's done something great (again) in the next 5-7 years.

XxXdragonXxX
10-21-2011, 12:25 AM
Mike Holmgren.

bearsfan_51
10-21-2011, 12:28 AM
To get into the HOF as a coach you usually need at least one championship or to have done something really innovative (Sid Gillman, George Allen). The only exceptions I can think of are Marv Levy (didn't deserve it, honestly) and Bud Grant. Both of those guys made numerous Superbowls and then choked.

49ers1984
10-21-2011, 09:00 PM
You forgot Mike Shannahan, who currently has a better chance than any of those guys (although the three young guys all have good chances going forward)

That fact that he has not done well without Elway is going to hurt his chances. Without Elway he is 100-81 pretty average. Out of the 11 years without Elway not counting this year he has 4 10 wins or more seasons and 7 less then 10 win seasons not really Hall of Fame stuff.

49ers1984
10-21-2011, 09:01 PM
To get into the HOF as a coach you usually need at least one championship or to have done something really innovative (Sid Gillman, George Allen). The only exceptions I can think of are Marv Levy (didn't deserve it, honestly) and Bud Grant. Both of those guys made numerous Superbowls and then choked.

With all the coaches with at least 1 ring in this era you are gonna have to do more then just win a Superbowl.

bearsfan_51
10-22-2011, 11:18 AM
That fact that he has not done well without Elway is going to hurt his chances. Without Elway he is 100-81 pretty average. Out of the 11 years without Elway not counting this year he has 4 10 wins or more seasons and 7 less then 10 win seasons not really Hall of Fame stuff.
Yeah, except he won two Superbowls. To act like that didn't happen, or he had nothing to do with it, is ridiculous, and the Superbowl voters aren't that naive. Also, 100-81 ain't bad when your QB is Brian Griese and Jake Plummer.

Every coach had great players. Nobody wins a Superbowl by himself. John Elway got his ass smoked in the Superbowl when Dan Reeves was his coach, and Dan Reeves is no chump.

But yeah, he's not a lock for sure, but neither are Mike Tomlin or Sean Payton.

FUNBUNCHER
10-22-2011, 11:47 AM
Shanahan was also the offensive coordinator for the 49ers team that won a SB with Steve Young. Shanahan gets nearly as much credit for that SB title as George Seifert.

IMO Shanny is a HOF lock, the only question is whether or not he's a first ballot HOF.

49ers1984
10-22-2011, 06:29 PM
Yeah, except he won two Superbowls. To act like that didn't happen, or he had nothing to do with it, is ridiculous, and the Superbowl voters aren't that naive. Also, 100-81 ain't bad when your QB is Brian Griese and Jake Plummer.

Every coach had great players. Nobody wins a Superbowl by himself. John Elway got his ass smoked in the Superbowl when Dan Reeves was his coach, and Dan Reeves is no chump.

But yeah, he's not a lock for sure, but neither are Mike Tomlin or Sean Payton.

I do acknowledge that he won two Superbowl's but a HOF career is more then just two great years it is over a career. George Seifart's and Jimmy Johnsons's two Superbowls are not helping them get in the Hall of Fame. Shannahan is like a player who had a great peak for a couple of years then just become average after that. What HOF players had that kind of career? You are right Shanahan did not have great talent on his team but is that not great coaches do? Even average coaches can win with talent but it takes a great coach to win without a lot of talent.Jake Plummer and Brian Griese were not great qbs by any means but they were not horrible. Why since Elway except for 2005 has his teams been average or below average? Shanahan has had plenty of time to draft and coach but he only has 4 10 win or more seasons since he had Elway. He has had less then 10 wins in 7 of his 11 years since Elway that sounds to me like a coach who was more great because the players he had then him being a great coach.

49ers1984
10-22-2011, 06:38 PM
Mike Holmgren.

With only 1 Superbowl and 7 10 win seasons out of 25 he is not getting in. If Holmgrem why not Tom Coughlin?