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Ozzy
10-23-2011, 12:59 PM
So far this year, only a few guys even made an impression as starting quarterbacks as freshman. A lot of them have seen very little time, and some are not even playing quarterback, that being Jamal Turner. The only one of the ones listed below, Jeff Driskel the jury is still out on, I feel he could become a player later on. But outside of him, Gary Nova has been the only real difference maker at quarterback as a freshman, Shortell has had moments but nothing amazing either.

Braxton Miller Ohio State
Kiehl Frazier Auburn
Teddy Bridgewater Louisville
Jamal Turner Nebraska
David Ash Texas
Max Shortell Minnesota
Gary Nova Rutgers
Jeff Driskel Florida


Maybe it is just me but Miller does not impress me at all and does not seem like a pro prospect at quarterback, Frazier is just a runner, kind of like Miller and Bridgewater has ability but not sure he is that elite and really he is not very accurate.



Compared to last year with....
Tyler Bray Tennessee
Danny O'Brien Maryland RS
Aaron Murray Georgia RS
Robert Bolden Penn State
Nathan Scheelhaase Illinois
Devan Gardner Michigan
Jeffrey Godfrey Central Florida



And the year before that with....
Andrew Luck Stanford
Matt Barkley USC
Landry Jones Oklahoma
Robert Griffin Baylor RS
BJ Daniels South Florida
Tom Savage Rutgers (transfered)
Tate Forcier Michigan (transfered)
Jordan Wynn Utah
Austyn Carta-Samuels Wyoming
Jerome Tiller Iowa State



Overall the quarterbacks have taken a step back, and surprising because usually one can name 5-10 decent ones who are ok and have shown something, but who knows maybe teams are just set at quarterbacks so they are not playing. However again, based on the ones that have played, I am not impressed.


Might be a good thing, and other prospects and other positions actually get some attention for once.

Giantsfan1080
10-23-2011, 07:09 PM
Nova looks like ok right now but he's been far from a difference maker.

49erNation85
10-23-2011, 07:13 PM
I still like Driskel in at Florida.Once he learns the system look for him to take off and hopefully look to take them back in bcs bowls or into the top 15 while he is playing.

jrdrylie
10-23-2011, 07:15 PM
Yes, some freshman QBs looked good last year, but a bunch have had sophomore slumps. Danny O'Brien has been benched. Jeff Godfrey was replaced in the second half against UAB by freshman Blake Bortles (who will probably start against Memphis). Robert Bolden wasn't even that good last year and now he isn't a starter. And Devin Gardner didn't even do anything last year or this year. I would say this year's class of freshman QBs is on par with last year.

Pat Sims 90
10-23-2011, 07:21 PM
To fair for to Braxton Miller the Buckeyes OL has been terrible and WRs have had trouble creating seperation plus Fickell refushes to open up the playbook and call any passing plays.

keylime_5
10-23-2011, 07:39 PM
The reason Braxton Miller hasn't looked like a future pro QB prospect is because of the offense he is in. That's pretty much the whole story. He's a true freshman. He has a good arm and a quick release and is a great runner. Who knows what he'll look like in 3 years in a better offense, way too soon to tell if guys like Miller or Driskel will be good Qb prospects at this point.

To fair for to Braxton Miller the Buckeyes OL has been terrible and WRs have had trouble creating seperation plus Fickell refushes to open up the playbook and call any passing plays.

ehhh, in the Michigan State game they were bad. The O-Line this year has been very good otherwise for Ohio State. Against Nebraska they were dominant, and they looked pretty good against Illinois as well. WRs suck though, they are all freshmen and sophomores and are too young right now. It's not like we pass to them anyhow (4 attempts last week).



The thing about freshmen QBs is that most QBs don't start during their freshman year. Most of the guys we'll be talking about as prospects from this bunch in two years are backups right now or are even redshirting this season. It's like complaining about where are the DTs from this class or something like that. These are 18 and 19 year olds who don't even know their team's offense yet, give me a break.

ElectricEye
10-23-2011, 07:39 PM
In related news; it'll be interesting to see in O'Brien transfers out this season. He's on track to graduate way early, so he would be eligible to play anywhere right away. He's got ability, but he really looked like a bad fit for that Maryland spread. He looks like he might win his job back, but I'm still leaving town quick if I'm him. Maryland has become a mess pretty quickly.

CashmoneyDrew
10-23-2011, 07:58 PM
Justin Worley was a Gatorade National Player of the Year as a senior and set all kinds of high school records. He'll get his first start this weekend against SCAR.

sbh15
10-23-2011, 08:15 PM
the problem with this is that the guys you listed are freshman quarterbacks, and as such are very likely candidates to struggle. it's a little early to call any of them bad just because they haven't developed into andrew luck or matt barkley

SolidGold
10-23-2011, 08:28 PM
In related news; it'll be interesting to see in O'Brien transfers out this season. He's on track to graduate way early, so he would be eligible to play anywhere right away. He's got ability, but he really looked like a bad fit for that Maryland spread. He looks like he might win his job back, but I'm still leaving town quick if I'm him. Maryland has become a mess pretty quickly.

You steal my thoughts ;)

Ozzy
10-23-2011, 09:43 PM
keylime_5 The thing about freshmen QBs is that most QBs don't start during their freshman year. Most of the guys we'll be talking about as prospects from this bunch in two years are backups right now or are even redshirting this season. It's like complaining about where are the DTs from this class or something like that. These are 18 and 19 year olds who don't even know their team's offense yet, give me a break.No one is complaining about the freshman DT class, at least not me. Louis Nix III is a redshirt but kid is an absolute stud, Anthony Johnson is a absolute star in the making as well as a true freshman. Same with Florida State DTs in Erving and Jernigan. Kelcy Quarles has stood out for South Carolina, he can play, and Michael Bennett has shown flashes for the Buckeyes.


Then you got offensive tackles Fabbians Ebbele on Arizona is a possible star, had a great game against UCLA. Cyrus Kouandjio on Alabama is a possible top pick, physical freak that already has the body of a senior offensive tackle. Havenstein and Fleming, two redshirt guys but both are solid freshman so far.
Quinterrius Eatmon, another very good pomising freshman with great size, same can be said for Blaine Clausell on Miss State.


So it is not like it is impossible for freshman to play well. Matt Barkley showed tons of ability as a freshman, as did Kellen Moore, Andrew Luck etc...But yes some are slow developers, prime case would be Cam Newton. As a freshman all he looked like was a big running quarterback, nothing more...



jrdrylie Yes, some freshman QBs looked good last year, but a bunch have had sophomore slumps. Danny O'Brien has been benched. Jeff Godfrey was replaced in the second half against UAB by freshman Blake Bortles (who will probably start against Memphis). Robert Bolden wasn't even that good last year and now he isn't a starter. And Devin Gardner didn't even do anything last year or this year. I would say this year's class of freshman QBs is on par with last year.True, but O'Brien is still a promising player, regardless if he is playing currently, he has tools for the next level and has time, clearly more productive than any freshman will be this year, that is for sure. Bolden, yes he is not playing great, but he has a poise I like on the field, just see if he develops that. Devin Gardner, regardless if he can play, he shows ability to throw the football down field and has a fine release, if he got playing time I am pretty sure he would be doing just fine. But yes it is early, but a surprise so few have stood out.


Pat Sims 90 To fair for to Braxton Miller the Buckeyes OL has been terrible and WRs have had trouble creating seperation plus Fickell refushes to open up the playbook and call any passing plays.Possible, but really that OL has a ton of talent, but yes the receivers are not there. Still kids best ability at this time is rushing the ball, doubt he becomes anything special, but maybe I am wrong.

keylime_5
10-23-2011, 09:46 PM
No one is complaining about the freshman DT class, at least not me. Louis Nix III is a redshirt but kid is an absolute stud, Anthony Johnson is a absolute star in the making as well as a true freshman. Same with Florida State DTs in Erving and Jernigan. Kelcy Quarles has stood out for South Carolina, he can play, and Michael Bennett has shown flashes for the Buckeyes.


: ) i was just using DT as an arbitrary example to show that you can't sort out all the good players in their freshman year. Point taken that there aren't as many great freshman QBs this year as there usually are I guess, but still it's too early to tell if guys like Miller and Driskel, etc. are gonna be superstars. Also the season is still young, some of these guys might turn it on and have big finishes.

keylime_5
10-23-2011, 09:49 PM
Possible, but really that OL has a ton of talent, but yes the receivers are not there. Still kids best ability at this time is rushing the ball, doubt he becomes anything special, but maybe I am wrong.

the o-line is not the problem, it is an excellent unit. the offense is really simple and poorly ran. (Jim Tressel was our QB coach, offensive playcaller, and head coach all rolled into one, and he left without being replaced in any of those capacities for this season). Even with those things, I think Miller really flashed his potential to be a superstar against Nebraska a little bit before he got hurt. He was playing really well. He has a good arm and a really quick release which are about as good of a starting point as you could ask for in a young QB. I can't say anything about his pro potential yet, but in college at least he's gonna be a star.

Xonraider
10-24-2011, 01:13 AM
Justin Worley was a Gatorade National Player of the Year as a senior and set all kinds of high school records. He'll get his first start this weekend against SCAR.

I've heard about this kid, he is supposed to be the real deal. I'll try to watch him closely.

Ozzy
10-24-2011, 06:56 AM
CashmoneyDrew Justin Worley was a Gatorade National Player of the Year as a senior and set all kinds of high school records. He'll get his first start this weekend against SCAR.That will be interesting to watch, but odd he went to Tennessee though, Tyler Bray is not going anywhere. Regardless, good luck against arguably the best pass rush in the country in South Carolina. Clowney might be the best pass true rusher in the nation right now as a true freshman.

BamaFalcon59
10-24-2011, 06:26 PM
Let's talk sophomores and the future first round pick VT has at QB.

Brent
10-24-2011, 07:04 PM
TAMU has a few Freshman QBs I'm excited about:

15 Johnny Manziel QB 6-1 200 Fr. HS
3 Jameill Showers QB 6-2 219 Fr. RS

Supposedly Jameill can run like the wind.

toussaud
11-20-2011, 06:26 PM
Brandon Allen at arknasas will be the best QB in this class in 4 years. mark it down, take a picture, do whatever you want. He's just behind some people right now that have been in the system longer and have legit talent. But he's going to be better than all of them when it's all said and done

TheSchmidt
11-20-2011, 07:03 PM
Cody Fajardo

shylo3716
11-20-2011, 07:10 PM
I like Teddy Bridgewater's potential to be the best QB out of his class.

Ozzy
11-20-2011, 07:45 PM
Jared Barnett really impressed for Iowa State on Friday as a freshman.

But still crazy unimpressed with this years QB class.



toussaud Brandon Allen at arknasas will be the best QB in this class in 4 years. mark it down, take a picture, do whatever you want. He's just behind some people right now that have been in the system longer and have legit talent. But he's going to be better than all of them when it's all said and donePossible, but Brandon Mitchell will be the starter whenever Wilson decides to leave. So if this guy is good, he will have to wait at least another year or two.

M.O.T.H.
11-21-2011, 12:21 AM
I'm excited about SCAR's Tanner Mcevoy. He's VY esque, without seeing an actual college game yet. Rated lower than he should have been, given that he was a WR for three years prior to moving to QB as a Sr.

Knowing our QB recruiting history, however...he wont be any good.

ellsy82
11-21-2011, 01:35 AM
How bad is this Class of Freshman QBs?

I dunno...Could be the fact that they're freshmen.

Ozzy
11-21-2011, 06:46 AM
ellsy82 I dunno...Could be the fact that they're freshmen.
That is not true, most great quarterbacks show something as freshman players, Luck, Barkley, Stafford, Bradford, Bray, A. Murray, Vick, Freeman, Peyton Manning...etc

Yes some develop slower or do not get a chance to play early. But more often than not, you can see something in them as freshman, this year I have yet to see much out of any of the supposed top rated freshman quarterbacks.

draftguru151
11-21-2011, 08:39 AM
Most of those guys aren't even playing consistently. Last years first rounders, Gabbert barely played, Locker struggled as a redshirt freshman, Cam Newton was stealing computers, Ponder didn't play until his redshirt sophomore year and even then was basically a running QB.

As for this years, Teddy isn't much of a pro prospect at QB, but he's having a half decent year for a freshman. Frazier is just a runner right now but he was an amazing passer in high school and judging him off 5 snaps a game this year is ridiculous. Braxton has shown flashes and is a fantastic runner, which is what you expect from a guy who ran an insane amount in high school. Driskel has always sucked and is the 2nd best freshman QB on his team so sure you can hate on him. Haven't seen Lemay or the USC freshman at all yet. Judging QBs seriously before their final year is fairly dumb, doing it their true freshman year is completely idiotic.

Ozzy
11-21-2011, 08:21 PM
draftguru151
As for this years, Teddy isn't much of a pro prospect at QB, but he's having a half decent year for a freshman. Frazier is just a runner right now but he was an amazing passer in high school and judging him off 5 snaps a game this year is ridiculous. Braxton has shown flashes and is a fantastic runner, which is what you expect from a guy who ran an insane amount in high school. Driskel has always sucked and is the 2nd best freshman QB on his team so sure you can hate on him. Haven't seen Lemay or the USC freshman at all yet. Judging QBs seriously before their final year is fairly dumb, doing it their true freshman year is completely idiotic.Idiotic to follow progression of a quarterback for more than their last year? Ok, you stay behind the curve, I would rather stay ahead.


draftguru151 Most of those guys aren't even playing consistently. Last years first rounders, Gabbert barely played, Locker struggled as a redshirt freshman, Cam Newton was stealing computers, Ponder didn't play until his redshirt sophomore year and even then was basically a running QB.True, but do not forget some very obvious players that had great success as freshman, Barkley, Vick, Luck, Bradford, Peyton Manning etc... As for Locker, sure he was not a classic quarterback as a freshman, but kid was instantly on the radar just because of his athletic ability and size. So you did not have him on the freshman QB list? I sure did.

Then again, I follow prospects, or at least try to throughout their entire career, not just their draft eligible year. And find enjoyment out of spotting guys earlier. Sure anyone can tell said great player is good, but is kind of nice to be able to see that talent and potential before everyone is on the wagon.

Thread basically stating, no freshman quarterback impresses me so far this year, coming from someone that follows every class every year, and just stating unlike probably the past five years, no real freshman stood out to me so far in this class. Want me to go back and see what I had as freshman rankings over the past few years, I would be more than glad to do that.

shylo3716
11-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Nobody likes Teddy Bridgewater?

Iamcanadian
11-21-2011, 10:27 PM
You get to know far more about college QB's after their sophomore season. Judging a prospect as a junior usually means very little as they still have a lot to learn, must improve their strength, quickness and speed. Freshmen QB's haven't a real clue how to read defenses and often need a long period of adjustment.
You also have to add in that many of the best prospect for the next level may sit behind somebody for a year before they even get to play.

sbh15
11-22-2011, 12:17 PM
let me do something for you here...

qb 1 - threw 10 times for 40 yards (did have 3 rushing td's)
qb 2 - 47.3% completion, more int's than td's, 6.3 ypa
qb 3 - threw 18 passes, completed 8, 2 interceptions
qb 4 - threw more int's than td's, under 60% completion, 6.6 ypa

how bad was THAT freshman class of qb's?

oh wait...

those players, in order, are cam newton, jake locker, christian ponder, and andy dalton

socentre44
11-22-2011, 04:26 PM
Overall the quarterbacks have taken a step back, and surprising because usually one can name 5-10 decent ones who are ok and have shown something, but who knows maybe teams are just set at quarterbacks so they are not playing. However again, based on the ones that have played, I am not impressed.


I know QBs in the Pac-12 have been fairly stable this year with Luck, Barkley, Foles, Thomas, etc all proven players. Next year should be interesting.

If Barkley leaves for the draft, there will be quite the QB competition between some young players in Wittek (RS Frosh), Kessler (RS Frosh), and Scroggins (RS Soph) next year. The winner of that competition will get the opportunity of running a pretty stacked offense with Lee and Woods leading the way.