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shylo3716
10-26-2011, 07:43 PM
http://http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/49ers-defensive-tackle-doesn-8217-t-think-Luck-?urn=nfl-wp10439

49ers defensive tackle doesn’t think Luck would be No. 1 pick in SEC (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/49ers-defensive-tackle-doesn-t-think-Luck-would-?urn=nfl-wp10439)

By Chris Chase (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner?author=Chris+Chase)
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/68/68c1f38f4bacce9e61774b6847d2abe7/ers_defensive_tackle_doesnt_think_luck_would_be_no _pick_in_sec.jpgSan Francisco 49ers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sfo/) defensive tackle Ricky Jean Francois (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9508/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9508/news) plays for former Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh and was a college teammate of the No. 1 pick in the 2007 NFL draft, JaMarcus Russell (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8255/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8255/news), so he has plenty of opinions about current Stanford star, and projected top-draft pick, Andrew Luck. And -- surprise, surprise -- the SEC product thinks the Pac-12 QB is overrated because of a lack of good competition.
"I'm not a Pac-12 fan at all," Jean Francois told Inside the 49ers (http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/10/inside-the-49ers/ricky-jean-francois-on-andrew-luck-jamarcus-russell-vic-fangio-earthquakes-and-more/), "I'm an SEC guy. But if he ever plays against an SEC school, Alabama, LSU, that draft stock is going to fall. That will be one game they just don't show the scouts."
Jean Francois went on to say that Luck wouldn't be drafted No. 1 if he had to play in the SEC and cites JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8276/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8276/news) as past examples of this theory. Quinn's performance for Notre Dame against the Jean Francois and Russell LSU Tigers in the 2007 Sugar Bowl made his draft stock plummet, while a good performance by Russell in the same game turned the quarterback into a viable No. 1 pick.
[Related: Video: Stanford primed for run to BCS title game (http://bit.ly/rOpk53)]
There's a certain irony in using JaMarcus Russell as the beacon for SEC quarterbacking success considering he's one of the biggest busts in NFL history. Still, Jean Francois has a solid point: Luck may be the top quarterback prospect since Peyton Manning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4256/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4256/news), but his on-field heroics at Stanford have come against the finesse defenses of the Pac-10 (and Pac-12), not the stacked defenses of Alabama and LSU.
This is hardly a cause to have his draft stock slip. Carson Palmer (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6337/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6337/news) played those same finesse defenses at USC (albeit with a tougher nonconference schedule), Michael Vick (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5448/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5448/news) faced Big East teams throughout his time at Virginia Tech) and Alex Smith (http://sports.search.yahoo.com/search?p=Alex+Smith+NFL&fr=sports-us-ss) of the University of Utah parlayed an undefeated season in the Mountain West Conference and a bowl victory over Pittsburgh into a No. 1 draft choice. If Luck gets to the national title, no sort of stinker there will detract from what he did to get there. And if he doesn't, merely taking Stanford to a Rose Bowl should be achievement enough. Those mechanics don't change whether you're playing Washington St. or LSU.
Jean Francois may talk a big game about SEC dominance over the Pac-12 to reporters, but not to his coach, Jim Harbaugh, who was at Stanford last season. "Coach might not talk to me about that one," he said. "That's the one subject he might get touchy on. That's his team, that's his school that he coached for, but I'm really strong about SEC schools."

CC.SD
10-26-2011, 07:45 PM
and in today's news, playing better defenses may cause your offense to look better. This nearly calls for a derp dog.

Honestly it seems obvious but the entire NFL fell for Jamarcus Russell lighting up the worst Notre Dame defense ever (and that's saying a lot) so I would have to say scouting/drafting is generally done by idiots.

wogitalia
10-26-2011, 08:03 PM
Did he really just use JaMarcus Russell to try and bring down Luck? Really, you want to build up a conference and that is the guy you go to as a reference point?

Some NFL players really are as stupid as bricks.

shylo3716
10-26-2011, 08:06 PM
Did he really just use JaMarcus Russell to try and bring down Luck? Really, you want to build up a conference and that is the guy you go to as a reference point?

Some NFL players really are as stupid as bricks.

Not trying to make any excuses for him, but I see where he was coming from with the example although Russell did not pan out.

Quinn was the "Golden Boy" until he faced that LSU team who dropped his stock. If Quinn never faced them he would have been the #1 pick was what he was trying to say.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 08:10 PM
It wasn't an educated comment, certainly, but he's just repping his Conference. It's not like he came out and said Luck was a terrible QB. He believes that Luck would play poorly against an SEC defense. Might not be an accurate assertion but I don't feel it was an entirely outlandish thought.

I'm sure there was a little bit of gamesmanship with his coach, as well.


As a side... the context of the question is important. He was specifically asked what he thought about an LSU vs. Stanford National Championship game.

And he mentioned Russell because the Quinn vs. Russell game was what cemented Russell as a top draft prospect.


Q: What do you think about a potential Stanford vs. LSU matchup for the National Championship?

JEAN FRANCOIS: That will never happen. If it happens, Luck’s draft stock will fall. If he plays an SEC team, his stock will fall. I ain’t got nothing against him. He’s a Pac-12 guy. I’m not a Pac 12 fan at all, I’m an SEC guy. But if he ever plays against an SEC school, Alabama, LSU, that draft stock is going to fall. That will be one game they just don’t show the scouts.

Q: So you’re saying he will not get drafted No. 1 if he has to play the SEC?

JEAN FRANCOIS: He won’t. I can say that hands down. I can say that from past experience seeing Brady Quinn when he played us in the Sugar Bowl. He was a Heisman Trophy candidate and possibly the No. 1 pick. You seen that change real quick. JaMarcus actually became the No. 1 pick and his (Quinn’s) draft stock dropped to…I can’t even remember. Andrew Luck – good quarterback. Good guy in the Pac 12. But playing against an SEC school – that won’t work too well for him.

Q: Have you shared your thoughts with your head coach?

JEAN FRANCOIS: Coach might not talk to me about that one. That’s the one subject he might get touchy on. That’s his team, that’s his school that he coached for, but I’m really strong about SEC schools. You’ve got three SEC schools in the top 10 and you’ve got two in the top 5, so if we get to something like that, hands down he’s going to lose. And if he did lose hopefully he loses to LSU. I’ve got a T-shirt right here waiting on him.
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2011/10/inside-the-49ers/ricky-jean-francois-on-andrew-luck-jamarcus-russell-vic-fangio-earthquakes-and-more/

ShutDwn
10-26-2011, 08:16 PM
I get what he is saying and I agree about Quinn. Luck is a great prospect, but I think LSU's defense would make him look silly. Nothing in the Pac-12 could possibly compare to them.

People will say, and rightfully so, that Quinn shouldn't be compared to Luck. But the fact remains that in years past when the a dominant SEC team plays other conferences, they usually overwhelm very talented teams. I don't think Luck is magical enough to overcome that.

It won't matter once he gets to the NFL though.

tjsunstein
10-26-2011, 08:34 PM
Remember how highly regarded Ricky Jean Francois was until he got dominated another full season in the SEC?

jrdrylie
10-26-2011, 08:35 PM
I get what he is saying and I agree about Quinn. Luck is a great prospect, but I think LSU's defense would make him look silly. Nothing in the Pac-12 could possibly compare to them.

People will say, and rightfully so, that Quinn shouldn't be compared to Luck. But the fact remains that in years past when the a dominant SEC team plays other conferences, they usually overwhelm very talented teams. I don't think Luck is magical enough to overcome that.

It won't matter once he gets to the NFL though.

So LSU's defense will make Luck look silly but an NFL defense won't? I think Stanford would beat LSU and Alabama. They aren't one of those spread teams like Oregon and West Virginia who rely on their speed to make plays. SEC defenses have the speed to negate that. Stanford can play power football. With Luck, they don't need gimmicks. They just need his ability to pick apart a defense.

ShutDwn
10-26-2011, 08:43 PM
So LSU's defense will make Luck look silly but an NFL defense won't? I think Stanford would beat LSU and Alabama. They aren't one of those spread teams like Oregon and West Virginia who rely on their speed to make plays. SEC defenses have the speed to negate that. Stanford can play power football. With Luck, they don't need gimmicks. They just need his ability to pick apart a defense.

Stanford can try to be physical, but I don't see anyone other than Tre Richardson being able to go toe-to-toe with LSU's defense.

Luck will be practicing with NFL players when he is in the NFL so he will have better simulation of the talent level. The defense he practices against as a rookie will probably be subpar when he first gets there but they are still NFL players.

Luck can make plays against LSU, but I think they would make plenty as well which isn't normal for Luck.

Brodeur
10-26-2011, 08:45 PM
Who the hell gives a **** what Ricky Jean Francois says?

phlysac
10-26-2011, 08:49 PM
Remember how highly regarded Ricky Jean Francois was until he got dominated another full season in the SEC?

He only started 9 games in his college career. He dominated ONE game. I wouldn't say he was ever highly regarded outside of that game.

hawkeye123
10-26-2011, 08:51 PM
Who the hell gives a **** what Ricky Jean Francois says?

This.

He's an average backup NT. How is this even a story?

bucfan12
10-26-2011, 08:52 PM
I understand what he's saying, but honestly, this whole "Suck-For-Luck" ordeal that the media has broguht upon the NFL is probably annoying for players. He's already being crowned a super star before he finishes his college football career.

He really hasn't beaten and performed well against a quality team in his college career, which could be a downside against him. However, he's been shredding those vanillia defenses, which he should be doing. If he struggled against pac 12 schools defenses, then it'd be a concern.

I'd still take him number 1, unless he totally flops in the bowl game.

CJSchneider
10-26-2011, 08:56 PM
It wasn't an educated comment...

Also making headlines, the sky is blue and the sun is hot.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 08:58 PM
Just naysaying but Luck has thrown for less than 200 yards 5 more times than he's thrown for 300+ in his career.

He's a stud, but the media is making him into an all-time NCAA great, which he isn't. Skill? Perhaps. Numbers? No.

sbh15
10-26-2011, 09:01 PM
i think you could very loosely describe rjf as a "nfl player"

bucfan12
10-26-2011, 09:05 PM
This scrub makes a point though. How would he fair against a top Big 10 defense? Or how about a top SEC defense?

I don't see a lot of top prospects in the PAC 12 when it comes to the secondary play.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 09:07 PM
i think you could very loosely describe rjf as a "nfl player"

Well he is the #1 reserve at both DE and NT for one of the NFL's best defenses, and started at NT against the Bucs.

DraftSavant
10-26-2011, 09:08 PM
Florida embarrassed Sam Bradford so badly that he dropped all the way to the first pick of the draft.

ATLDirtyBirds
10-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Florida embarrassed Sam Bradford so badly that he dropped all the way to the first pick of the draft.

Yeah, but Sam Bradford didn't play in a pro style offense.


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bucfan12
10-26-2011, 09:17 PM
Florida embarrassed Sam Bradford so badly that he dropped all the way to the first pick of the draft.

....Rams probably should have paid more attention to the film from that game when making the top pick.

Raiderz4Life
10-26-2011, 09:38 PM
....Rams probably should have paid more attention to the film from that game when making the top pick.

Shouda gone with FREEZUZZ right? lol

bucfan12
10-26-2011, 09:40 PM
Shouda gone with FREEZUZZ right? lol

Wasn't in the 2010 draft there bud.

Raiderz4Life
10-26-2011, 09:58 PM
Wasn't in the 2010 draft there bud.

Damn...ruined the joke =/

dannyz
10-26-2011, 10:09 PM
What if and this is a big if but what if Stanford does play Alabama/LSU in the Title Game and tears them up like he did to VT? What would rejects like this guy say?

soybean
10-26-2011, 10:22 PM
This scrub makes a point though. How would he fair against a top Big 10 defense? Or how about a top SEC defense?



no he doesn't make a point. What does college production have to do with being the number 1 pick? Luck is regarded as the number 1 pick because of all his tools, intangibles etc.

rfj is basically saying that his deficiencies are being masked by playing inferior defenses.

niel89
10-26-2011, 10:26 PM
Just naysaying but Luck has thrown for less than 200 yards 5 more times than he's thrown for 300+ in his career.

He's a stud, but the media is making him into an all-time NCAA great, which he isn't. Skill? Perhaps. Numbers? No.

A lot of those game came when he was a first year starter and the would just let Gerhart control the game. Most other ones were in clear victories where the run game had it handled.

Luck isn't going to put up crazy prolific numbers because thats not how his team works. They run a perfectly balanced offense. On the field he is playing all most as well as you can.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 10:35 PM
rfj is basically saying that his deficiencies are being masked by playing inferior defenses.

Yes. Which is an opinion. He may very well be wrong, but we'll never know if he doesn't play Bama or LSU.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 10:39 PM
A lot of those game came when he was a first year starter and the would just let Gerhart control the game. Most other ones were in clear victories where the run game had it handled.

Luck isn't going to put up crazy numbers because thats not how his team works. They run a perfectly balanced offense. On the field he is playing all most as well as you can.

I don't disagree AT ALL. It's just ironic that the media usually attaches itself to huge passing numbers and-the-like. Luck, playing in a very efficient power-based offensive system is breaking the mold of the media darling "hot QB."

bearsfan_51
10-26-2011, 10:40 PM
This is going to be awkward in a few years when Francois and Luck meet at the Pro Bowl.














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BRAVEHEART
10-26-2011, 10:47 PM
PAC can't compete with SEC SPEEDZ1Z!!111!!!! Especially not a weak pro-style offense with a good QB, good run-game, and good defense.

This vid is basically the proof right here.

gGbqLwbfu2M

They got nothing on that SEC defense.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 10:50 PM
PAC can't compete with SEC SPEEDZ1Z!!111!!!! Especially not a weak pro-style offense with a good QB, good run-game, and good defense.

This vid is basically the proof right here.

gGbqLwbfu2M

They got nothing on that SEC defense.

Comparing an All-Time great Pac-10 team's victory over an 8-5 SEC team isn't any more educated than RJF's comment.

FUNBUNCHER
10-26-2011, 11:05 PM
This year's Stanford team IMO is criminally underrated. They aren't being carried by Luck, he just happens to be their best player. But I can't imagine any team blowing Stanford out, even LSU and Alabama.

That said, you put Luck on ANY team in the SEC and I don't think any of them would have more than two losses. You put him on Georgia, Tennessee, Florida or Auburn and IMO they're all undefeated with Luck as the starter.

Yeah Luck is getting overhyped, but he's still one of the best college QBs to ever play the game.

Bringing Quinn and Russell into the discussion is way off base to me.

BRAVEHEART
10-26-2011, 11:05 PM
Comparing an All-Time great Pac-10 team's victory over an 8-5 SEC team isn't any more educated than RJF's comment.

They were ranked six before USC beat dat ass, and USC beat them the year before in their house. The same team the next year (had the same core and all) went undefeated the next year. Say what you wan't about the PAC, but the game is about matchups, not who plays who. Stanford matches up with LSU and Bama as well as anybody. Everybody wants to flap their gums about Luck playing an elite defense...when has Bama or LSU played an elite QB this year?


Food for thought.

soybean
10-26-2011, 11:27 PM
Yes. Which is an opinion. He may very well be wrong, but we'll never know if he doesn't play Bama or LSU.

yes it is an opinion. a stupid one at that. i understand doubting a team's win/loss record because of the competition but he's doubting luck as a prospect because he doesnt play LSU and BAMA?

In turn doesn't that make sense that no offensive players should go in the top ten unless they play (and play well)LSU or BAMA at least once?

phlysac
10-26-2011, 11:32 PM
I think you guys are reading way too much into it. He made an uneducated, and highly biased comment in an attempt to rep his Conference.

It's biased bravado and it's done regularly.

phlysac
10-26-2011, 11:38 PM
They were ranked six before USC beat dat ass
Preseason rankings. It was week one. A week later Auburn was shut out by a less than stellar Georgia Tech team.

The same team the next year (had the same core and all) went undefeated the next year.
Countless examples of teams making drastic improvements year-to-year.

Say what you wan't about the PAC, but the game is about matchups, not who plays who. Stanford matches up with LSU and Bama as well as anybody.
Completely, 100% agree. And inversely LSU and Bama match up with Stanford better than most, if not all Pac-12 teams. That was a large chunk of RJF's point.

49erNation85
10-26-2011, 11:39 PM
I think Luck just needs for go another and stay in school/college football and screw this draft up one more year.

Brodeur
10-27-2011, 01:17 AM
I think we need to ask Ogemdi Nwagbuo how he feels about Landry Jones, and maybe follow that up by asking Torell Troup his thoughts on Matt Barkley.

SickwithIt1010
10-27-2011, 01:35 AM
This scrub makes a point though. How would he fair against a top Big 10 defense? Or how about a top SEC defense?

I don't see a lot of top prospects in the PAC 12 when it comes to the secondary play.

The big 10 sucks, he would tear them all apart.

Bengalsrocket
10-27-2011, 01:42 AM
I can't think of the last time a player in the NFL spoke publicly about a college player and it made the news. I never heard of any NFL players talking about Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, JaMarcus Russel, Alex Smith etc. etc. before they actually entered the league.

FUNBUNCHER
10-27-2011, 05:47 AM
I can't think of the last time a player in the NFL spoke publicly about a college player and it made the news. I never heard of any NFL players talking about Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, Matt Stafford, JaMarcus Russel, Alex Smith etc. etc. before they actually entered the league.

I imagine from time to time SF players see Harbaugh walk around their practice facility mumbling, 'Damn I miss me some Andrew Luck.'lol

Seriously though, I bet they've had convos where players ask Harbaugh what's up with Luck and Harbaugh tells them the truth; he's the best player he's ever coached.
Then the SEC guys get an attitude about it and Harbaugh tells them to get a clue.

SolidGold
10-27-2011, 08:06 AM
I'm pretty sure Luck would do just fine against LSU. He shredded Va Tech's highly touted defense. Stanford isn't some spread offense, they line up and hit you, they have an o-line that has the size to go against any SEC d-line. I would love to see a Stanford/Alabama or LSU championship game.

Aaron Murray UGA, Tyler Bray Tenn and Tyler Wilson ARK are the only good QBs in that conference. Luck is better than all of these QBs by a long shot. All the rest of the SEC QBs are either unproven or just garbage. In the SEC the team with the good QB usually trumps the SEC defenses (think Newton/Tebow). IMO alot of the SEC has the best defense talk is due to it not really producing alot of elite QB talent.

Vanderbilt - Larry Smith - garbage, Jordan Rodgers (A-Rods brother) unproven
Florida - Jeff Brantley - mediocre (pretty big disappointment), Jeff Driskel and Jacoby Brisett unproven freshmen
Kentucky - Morgan Newton - garbage
South Carolina - Garcia - garbage and Shaw is unproven/inconsistent
Auburn - Clint Mosely, Barret Trotter - first year starters/inconsistent
LSU - Jordan Jefferson - not a good QB/ Jarrett Lee - not a very good QB - this team wins with defense/minimal mistakes and running the ball
Ole Miss - Randall Mackey - garbage, Zach Stoudt - Garbage, Barry Brunetti - unproven - potential garbage
Miss St - Chris Relf - not a good QB, Tyler Russell - so far hasn't shown much
Alabama - AJ McArron - has played well, he is the fourth best QB in the SEC.

I believe the mediocre QB play in the SEC has a lot to do with the "dominance" of the defenses in this conference.

no bare feet
10-27-2011, 08:46 AM
Chris Leak, Jevan Snead, JaMarcus Russell, Andre Woodson, Tim Tebow, Erik Ainge, Jason Campbell, David Greene, Brodie Croyle have all faired well

JBCX
10-27-2011, 10:22 AM
Despite what you make think of him as a player, he does bring up a pretty good point - how will Luck fare against a strong SEC defense? Have we seen him play a real SEC defense before?

One of the reasons the Panthers could be so confident selecting Cam Newton #1 overall last year was his domination of SEC defenses. That's obviously worked out very well for them so far, as Newton appears to be on the fast track to being one of the top 10 best QBs in the NFL.

Hopefully Luck will be able to prove himself against LSU or Alabama in one of the bowl games this year. That should be a very enlightening experience for all of the draft analysts.

shinzo123
10-27-2011, 10:39 AM
This is going to be awkward in a few years when Francois and Luck meet at the Pro Bowl.












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niel89
10-27-2011, 04:05 PM
I think Luck just needs for go another and stay in school/college football and screw this draft up one more year.

I'd give up my pinky toes for that to happen.

Raiderz4Life
10-27-2011, 04:06 PM
Despite what you make think of him as a player, he does bring up a pretty good point - how will Luck fare against a strong SEC defense? Have we seen him play a real SEC defense before?

One of the reasons the Panthers could be so confident selecting Cam Newton #1 overall last year was his domination of SEC defenses. That's obviously worked out very well for them so far, as Newton appears to be on the fast track to being one of the top 10 best QBs in the NFL.

Hopefully Luck will be able to prove himself against LSU or Alabama in one of the bowl games this year. That should be a very enlightening experience for all of the draft analysts.

JaMarcus went up against SEC defenses

SickwithIt1010
10-28-2011, 01:23 AM
Chris Leak, Jevan Snead, JaMarcus Russell, Andre Woodson, Tim Tebow, Erik Ainge, Jason Campbell, David Greene, Brodie Croyle have all faired well

Bahahaha when it comes to what?

JHL6719
10-28-2011, 09:30 AM
I'm pretty sure Luck would do just fine against LSU. He shredded Va Tech's highly touted defense. Stanford isn't some spread offense, they line up and hit you, they have an o-line that has the size to go against any SEC d-line. I would love to see a Stanford/Alabama or LSU championship game.

Aaron Murray UGA, Tyler Bray Tenn and Tyler Wilson ARK are the only good QBs in that conference. Luck is better than all of these QBs by a long shot. All the rest of the SEC QBs are either unproven or just garbage. In the SEC the team with the good QB usually trumps the SEC defenses (think Newton/Tebow). IMO alot of the SEC has the best defense talk is due to it not really producing alot of elite QB talent.

Vanderbilt - Larry Smith - garbage, Jordan Rodgers (A-Rods brother) unproven
Florida - Jeff Brantley - mediocre (pretty big disappointment), Jeff Driskel and Jacoby Brisett unproven freshmen
Kentucky - Morgan Newton - garbage
South Carolina - Garcia - garbage and Shaw is unproven/inconsistent
Auburn - Clint Mosely, Barret Trotter - first year starters/inconsistent
LSU - Jordan Jefferson - not a good QB/ Jarrett Lee - not a very good QB - this team wins with defense/minimal mistakes and running the ball
Ole Miss - Randall Mackey - garbage, Zach Stoudt - Garbage, Barry Brunetti - unproven - potential garbage
Miss St - Chris Relf - not a good QB, Tyler Russell - so far hasn't shown much
Alabama - AJ McArron - has played well, he is the fourth best QB in the SEC.

I believe the mediocre QB play in the SEC has a lot to do with the "dominance" of the defenses in this conference.


Randall Mackey was rated higher than Cam Newton coming out of the JUCO ranks. He's not Cam Newton, but Newton was completely overwhelmed by Alabama's defense for a half in the Iron Bowl last year. They just collapsed in the 2nd half due to blown coverages (youth) and and injury to the QB of the defense (Mark Barron).

I get a lot of what you're saying here, but try selling it to record setting QB's and Heisman Trophy winners from other conferences like Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Troy Smith, Colt Brennan, etc. Even QB's that the NFL is high on like Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, etc. Athletic beasts like Denard Robinson, Tyrod Taylor, Terrell Pryor, etc. I doubt you'll convince them.

I think Stanford matches up better with an elite SEC defense than any of the spread/zone read offenses, but the defenses Andrew Luck as been padding stats against are awful. They're not even in the same class as an LSU or Alabama defense.

I'd love to see Luck and Stanford get a shot to play one of these defenses, are you kidding? That would be an epic matchup that any college football fan would love to see.

Alabama's defense this year is #1 against the rush (44 ypg), 3rd against the pass (135 ypg), 1st in scoring (6.9 PPG), and 1st in total defense (180 YPG).

The backups are playing most of the 2nd halves of these games. Give a coach like Nick Saban a month to prepare and it gets even tougher.

I think it's just the opposite. Most of the hype surrounding these high flying, high scoring, run-it-up-on-the-scoreboard offenses from other conferences is due mainly because the opposition they're playing can't even spell defense.

SEC defenses prove that every year in bowl games from coast to coast.