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the new jesus
11-07-2011, 10:15 PM
Aaron Rodgers is having a historic year. Do you think he is going to compile the best season of all-time for a QB?

He is on pace to break the following single-season records:
-Passer Rating (Peyton Manning, 2004)
-Passing Yards (Dan Marino, 1984)
-Completion Percentage (Drew Brees, 2009)
-Yards per Attempt (Best since 1954)

tjsunstein
11-08-2011, 09:48 AM
Let's wait to see how it ends before we aimlessly talk about what kind of pace he's on?

keylime_5
11-08-2011, 10:47 AM
pfft, aaron rodgers is so overrated. he's never even won a division title.

Breed
11-08-2011, 12:52 PM
He is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers

A Perfect Score
11-08-2011, 01:27 PM
Aaron Rodgers can't be having the best season ever by a QB, because Alex Smith is having the best season ever by a QB.

http://www.sportsbully.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/alex-smith-re-signs-with-49ers-290x279.jpg

Mmm, sexy.

Splat
11-08-2011, 01:32 PM
Aaron Rodgers should just retire after this season and go straight in the HOF.

BuddyCHRIST
11-08-2011, 02:23 PM
I feel like Manning's season where he broke the TD record and 3 WR's had 1000 yards and 10 TD's is the best season ever, and Rodgers is playing at an even higher level right now. He might not have the TD record, but he is making it look easy.

Ness
11-08-2011, 03:13 PM
I don't think so. He's having one of the best seasons ever so far, but at the same time we have to have some historical perspective. The rules are so much in favor of the offense these days compared to what they used to be.

FUNBUNCHER
11-08-2011, 03:22 PM
Beware of stats.
Yes Rodgers is having a great season, but if this was 1987 I don't think his numbers would be the same.

Ness
11-08-2011, 03:34 PM
And I would definitely include the postseason too. Peyton Manning had a great year in 2004 for example, but that offense scored 3 points if I remember correctly in the playoffs.

Raiderz4Life
11-08-2011, 03:36 PM
I don't think so. He's having one of the best seasons ever so far, but at the same time we have to have some historical perspective. The rules are so much in favor of the offense these days compared to what they used to be.

This was the point I was going to bring up. I don't think anyone can truly claim to have the best season of X position of all time. I believe the best any player can claim is Best season of that era or generation. Rules and players have changed way too much of the years.

Jughead10
11-08-2011, 04:03 PM
Beware of stats.
Yes Rodgers is having a great season, but if this was 1987 I don't think his numbers would be the same.

Agreed. Aren't there a few people on pace to break Dan Marino's yards record? This isn't the same game Dan Marino played. There is no denying that.

bucfan12
11-08-2011, 04:17 PM
Ehh, I think once it gets colder, you'll see Green Bay run the ball a bit more. It seems to me, even last year in bad weather conditions (very cold), they don't have much success throwing the rock.

Saints-Tigers
11-08-2011, 05:01 PM
I think people are leery because they feel like if they say he had the best QB season ever, he is the best QB ever.

He's on pace for about the best season we've ever seen, he's still pretty far out ahead of the pack, even if other guys are having historic seasons.

Who woulda thought Aaron would be this much better than Brett? lol

Splat
11-08-2011, 05:20 PM
Beware of stats.

Yes Rodgers is having a great season, but if this was 1987 I don't think his numbers would be the same.

They are the SB champs with everyone gunning for them and are 8-0. That is more impressive than stats.

Giantsfan1080
11-08-2011, 05:22 PM
Rodgers passes every test right now as far as I'm concerned. I don't know if I've ever seen a QB so locked in and that includes Brady in 2007 and Manning in 2004.

the new jesus
11-08-2011, 05:50 PM
Beware of stats.
Yes Rodgers is having a great season, but if this was 1987 I don't think his numbers would be the same.

Watch him play. What has he done wrong this season? Other than holding the ball a bit too much at times, this is as close to perfect QB play that we've seen. I think he has maybe 1 interception that wasn't off his receivers' hands?

BigBanger
11-08-2011, 06:00 PM
After his Super Bowl run last year, I said he was the best QB in the game at that time. Now watching his first 8 games to follow up that Super Bowl run, he's playing like the best QB I have ever seen. He's unstoppable and I've seen nothing like it. It's unparalleled dominance.

falloutboy14
11-08-2011, 06:04 PM
And I would definitely include the postseason too. Peyton Manning had a great year in 2004 for example, but that offense scored 3 points if I remember correctly in the playoffs.

FWIW, the Colts scored 52 points that off-season. 49 vs the Broncos, 3 vs the Patriots.

FUNBUNCHER
11-08-2011, 06:39 PM
Rodgers is playing out of his mind and I didn't mean to imply he isn't playing at a level few QBs have ever reached.
It's just hard for me to say 'best season ever'. It might end up being that at the end of the year.
To contemplate that Rodgers is better than Favre and be serious is all that needs to be said.

I think GB is setting up to do some amazing things the next 5 years.

descendency
11-08-2011, 06:53 PM
Didn't we say this last year with Tom Brady?

Doesn't it seem odd that two QBs could have "OMG BEST SEASON EVER" back to back?

Jvig43
11-08-2011, 07:00 PM
Didn't we say this last year with Tom Brady?

Doesn't it seem odd that two QBs could have "OMG BEST SEASON EVER" back to back?

You have to realize that what is meant by the terms GOAT around here have a significantly different meaning than what they actually mean. Think of it as "playing well". That would easily be the best way to access how people use that term on this site.

Ness
11-08-2011, 08:44 PM
FWIW, the Colts scored 52 points that off-season. 49 vs the Broncos, 3 vs the Patriots.

Oh yes that's right. I forgot about the game against the Broncos. But regardless, against the Patriots they couldn't score more than 3 points. Unfortunately I have to take Manning's year down a notch for that reason. The greatest seasons of all time for a quarterback I think pretty much have to end with a championship ring almost. Kurt Warner in 1999 and Steve Young in 1994 are probably the best I've seen. Especially Warner in 1999.

Brent
11-08-2011, 08:46 PM
Aaron Rodgers can't be having the best season ever by a QB, because Alex Smith is having the best season ever by a QB.
Let's not trash the good name of Alex Smith by bringing him up in an Aaron Rodgers thread.

But wait, every thread becomes an Aaron Rodgers thread...

My god...

wogitalia
11-08-2011, 09:27 PM
If he maintains this pace, then yes absolutely.

He is on target to break every record pretty much of note. His passer rating is just absurd right now.

Throw in his team is winning and have needed just about every point he has put up and that he is playing just about perfect for that position and it's a wrap.

I can say with absolute confidence that this is the best first half of a season ever by a QB.

descendency
11-08-2011, 11:02 PM
Let's not trash the good name of Alex Smith by bringing him up in an Aaron Rodgers thread.

But wait, every thread becomes an Aaron Rodgers thread...

My god...

Until Cam Newton comes into play.

SickwithIt1010
11-09-2011, 12:13 AM
Until Cam Newton comes into play.

Or Tim Tebow...

Ness
11-09-2011, 12:15 AM
If he maintains this pace, then yes absolutely.

He is on target to break every record pretty much of note. His passer rating is just absurd right now.

Throw in his team is winning and have needed just about every point he has put up and that he is playing just about perfect for that position and it's a wrap.

I can say with absolute confidence that this is the best first half of a season ever by a QB.

You're kidding right? Everyone's passer rating is up significantly compared to like ten years ago.

MetSox17
11-09-2011, 12:18 AM
I just think it's cool that 15, 20 years from now our kids will be asking how in the world Aaron Rodgers was able to throw for so many yards in a season, as the NFL will inevitably shift again in the opposite direction sometime in the coming decades.

Ness
11-09-2011, 12:20 AM
I just think it's cool that 15, 20 years from now our kids will be asking how in the world Aaron Rodgers was able to throw for so many yards in a season, as the NFL will inevitably shift again in the opposite direction sometime in the coming decades.

I don't think so. A part of me thinks that a lot of the rule changes may be in attempt to deliberately favor the game more towards the offense so that more games have high scoring affairs, which will bring in more money and attention to the league. More excitement. Defensive games aren't recognized just as defensive players aren't recognized for their accomplishments as much as offensive players.

MetSox17
11-09-2011, 12:57 AM
I think you're mistaken if you feel that it will be a pass only league forever. It may take a while, but it will switch again. As teams start adapting their defenses to combat the high surge in offense, eventually one bottom feeder without a franchise qb will say "**** this, these guys are fielding teams full of 200lb DBs, i'm gonna smash the ball down their throat". All of a sudden, the quick, pass rushing DEs that you absolutely need to create pressure against the pass will be dogshit against the run, and you see where this is going. Despite the rule changes, trends change. It will be like this for a while, but i do feel eventually it will go back to smashmouth football.

BloodBrother
11-09-2011, 02:37 AM
Watch him play. What has he done wrong this season? Other than holding the ball a bit too much at times, this is as close to perfect QB play that we've seen. I think he has maybe 1 interception that wasn't off his receivers' hands?

Correct. 1 INT was right to Urlacher who made an impressive diving snatch at the ball. The other 2 were to open receivers who had them clank off their hands. Still not even sure the INT against Denver was even caught. Looked like the ball was trapped

but in any case, the accuracy he has displayed so far this year has been otherworldly. He isn't even getting close to throwing INT's.

BandwagonPunditry
11-09-2011, 07:20 AM
Let's not trash the good name of Alex Smith by bringing him up in an Aaron Rodgers thread.

But wait, every thread becomes an Aaron Rodgers thread...

My god...

To be fair this one was actually an Aaron Rogders thread to begin with...

EvilNixon
11-09-2011, 07:29 AM
07 Brady and 05 Manning were just pure class.

nrk
11-09-2011, 08:05 AM
You're kidding right? Everyone's passer rating is up significantly compared to like ten years ago.

Obviously stats are going to be higher now with rules being favorable towards offense, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be on pace to break records if he was playing in another era.

Jughead10
11-09-2011, 08:14 AM
Obviously stats are going to be higher now with rules being favorable towards offense, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be on pace to break records if he was playing in another era.

It kind of does. Don't we currently have about 4 players on pace to break Marino's yardage record? When have we ever seen that before?

nrk
11-09-2011, 08:29 AM
It kind of does. Don't we currently have about 4 players on pace to break Marino's yardage record? When have we ever seen that before?

No, it really doesn't. All passing records are going to be easier to reach due to the rule changes, so yeah people are getting closer. That has no impact on how players would do in the past. It does nothing to show that these talented players wouldn't be just as talented in the past.

Jughead10
11-09-2011, 08:32 AM
No, it really doesn't. All passing records are going to be easier to reach due to the rule changes, so yeah people are getting closer. That has no impact on how players would do in the past. It does nothing to show that these talented players wouldn't be just as talented in the past.

You're making my argument for me. If the NFL was being played or officiated like it was in 1984, do you think any of these players would be on pace to break Marino's record?

The amazing thing here is they are on pace but there is still a half a year left, and it's always easier to put up stats in the first half than the second. If anyone breaks Marino's record it will be Brees.

nrk
11-09-2011, 08:36 AM
And you're ignoring mine. I said that has no impact on how players would do in the past. You can't just say "well it was harder back then so they wouldn't be able to do it then". A lot has changed, schemes, the strength, size and speed of players, even the way you'd prepare for a game. There are too many variables to say such a thing.

Talent is talent, when you played isn't going to change that.

Jughead10
11-09-2011, 08:51 AM
And you're ignoring mine. I said that has no impact on how players would do in the past. You can't just say "well it was harder back then so they wouldn't be able to do it then". A lot has changed, schemes, the strength, size and speed of players, even the way you'd prepare for a game. There are too many variables to say such a thing.

Talent is talent, when you played isn't going to change that.

That is true. If Rodgers or any of these other guys played in 1984, they wouldn't be any less talented, but their numbers wouldn't be as high. So if you had a Dan Marino still putting up numbers like today in 1984 wouldn't he be more talented?

I think it's just too early to even consider this the best season all time. Especially when Tom Brady threw 50 Tds only a few years ago.

nrk
11-09-2011, 09:00 AM
That is true. If Rodgers or any of these other guys played in 1984, they wouldn't be any less talented, but their numbers wouldn't be as high. So if you had a Dan Marino still putting up numbers like today in 1984 wouldn't he be more talented?

I think it's just too early to even consider this the best season all time. Especially when Tom Brady threw 50 Tds only a few years ago.

For the record, I'm not saying any of these players would still be on the pace they are, but it's indeterminable if they would or wouldn't be. So if I had a crystal ball I'd tell you if he'd be putting up the same numbers.

As for best season, maybe statistically. If he leads them to another Super Bowl win, then maybe best season of all time. He has no running game and the pass defense is a bit soft, they do get turnovers though. You have to see the end results, too early to tell.

DanZilla
11-09-2011, 09:03 AM
You're making my argument for me. If the NFL was being played or officiated like it was in 1984, do you think any of these players would be on pace to break Marino's record?

The amazing thing here is they are on pace but there is still a half a year left, and it's always easier to put up stats in the first half than the second. If anyone breaks Marino's record it will be Brees.
I think Brees will the one to do it too. I also agree with the 2nd half being tougher than the first.

I wonder how Marino would do against the modern era athletes. DBs being 200 + pounds, even kickers can lay the smack down on return men nowadays. Pass rushers nowadays would have a field day if it were 1984. But then again everything I say is biased since I never saw football during that time.

Anyways, heres to an Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers superbowl!

BandwagonPunditry
11-09-2011, 09:19 AM
I think Brees will the one to do it too. I also agree with the 2nd half being tougher than the first.

I wonder how Marino would do against the modern era athletes. DBs being 200 + pounds, even kickers can lay the smack down on return men nowadays. Pass rushers nowadays would have a field day if it were 1984. But then again everything I say is biased since I never saw football during that time.

Anyways, heres to an Alex Smith vs Aaron Rodgers superbowl!

Have a little rethink there, you'll swiftly realise why that can never happen.

DanZilla
11-09-2011, 09:38 AM
Yeah, I know. Was to lazy to edit.

TitleTown088
11-09-2011, 10:57 AM
Let's not trash the good name of Alex Smith by bringing him up in an Aaron Rodgers thread.

But wait, every thread becomes an Aaron Rodgers thread...

My god...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9zzdztt7k1qztbac.gif

Deal with it.

Raiderz4Life
11-09-2011, 11:08 AM
And you're ignoring mine. I said that has no impact on how players would do in the past. You can't just say "well it was harder back then so they wouldn't be able to do it then". A lot has changed, schemes, the strength, size and speed of players, even the way you'd prepare for a game. There are too many variables to say such a thing.

Talent is talent, when you played isn't going to change that.

Well that has to go both ways. Who's to say Marino or Montana wouldn't be tearing the NFL a brand hiney hole??

Or **** can you imagine Air Coryell in today's NFL?

J-Mike88
11-09-2011, 04:48 PM
Is his first 8 games (half season) the best half-season ever?
Yes I believe so, which can be illustrated here.

But he has only played 3 home games, and has 5 left (only 3 more road games), and the outdoor Wisconsin weather in November and December will affect him, and his receivers hands. At least a little. So the next 8 games are anyone's guess. Only God knows. And Vegas.

But what he HAS DONE for one-half of a season is astonishing.


NFL PASSER RATING LEADERS

10 Tony Romo 92.2
9 Ryan Fitzpatrick 92.3
8 Matt Schuab 92.6
7 Ben Roethlisberger 94.1
6 Alex Smith 97.3
5 Eli Manning 98.8
4 Matthew Stafford 99.1
3 Tom Brady 100.0
2 Drew Brees 100.6
1 Aaron Rodgers 129.1

Eight points separate #'s 2-10.
Rodgers is almost 29 points above the #2 guy.
And only 3 of his 8 games so far have been at home.

NFL Career Passer Rating Leaders

Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Rate Years
1. Aaron Rodgers (27) 102.7 2005-2011
2. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999
3. Tom Brady (33) 95.5 2000-2011
4. Philip Rivers (29) 95.4 2004-2011
5. Tony Romo (30) 95.1 2004-2011
6. Peyton Manning (34) 94.9 1998-2011
7. Kurt Warner 93.7 1998-2009
8. Ben Roethlisberger (28) 92.6 2004-2011
9. Drew Brees (31) 92.4 2001-2011
10. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994
11. Matt Schaub (29) 91.7 2004-2011
12. Chad Pennington (34) 90.1 2000-2010
13. Daunte Culpepper 87.8 1999-2009
14. Jeff Garcia 87.5 1999-2009
15. Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955
16. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999
17. Carson Palmer (31) 86.3 2004-2011
Matt Ryan (25) 86.3 2008-2011
19. Brett Favre 86.0 1991-2010
Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008

J-Mike88
11-09-2011, 04:51 PM
You're kidding right? Everyone's passer rating is up significantly compared to like ten years ago.
FALSE.
As I just showed, there are only 3 QB's currently with passer ratings of 100 so far, and it tends to drop more the 2nd half of the season.

The yards are up all over the place because they throw more, but performances overall are not up everywhere at QB.

jth1331
11-09-2011, 05:15 PM
FALSE.
As I just showed, there are only 3 QB's currently with passer ratings of 100 so far, and it tends to drop more the 2nd half of the season.

The yards are up all over the place because they throw more, but performances overall are not up everywhere at QB.

In 2002, there was 1 QB with a 100+ passer rating and only 4 total 90 or above.
2003, 1 100 or better, 5 90 or above.
2004 saw 4 100 or better, 7 90 or above
2005 saw 2 100 or better, 6 90 or above
2006 1 100+, 7 90+
2007 3 100+, 5 90+

2002, you saw only 4 QB's throw for 4,000 yards or more.
This year, 14 QB's I believe are on pace for 4,000 yards.

It used to be a fantasy, wet dream to even have a QB rating in the 90's. Now that is the mark you want your QB at, and 100 is for the Pro Bowler.

Going back to projecting stats, at one time last year Kyle Orton was on pace for 5,000 yards passing, 30 TD's I believe so don't get too gung ho about stats.

descendency
11-09-2011, 06:11 PM
FALSE.
As I just showed, there are only 3 QB's currently with passer ratings of 100 so far, and it tends to drop more the 2nd half of the season.

The yards are up all over the place because they throw more, but performances overall are not up everywhere at QB.

All of them are in the peak of their career. Passer ratings go up and then down. The average of a career is lower than the peak, usually significantly.

That said, Aaron Rodgers is still totally awesome.

Caulibflower
11-09-2011, 06:24 PM
I think if you're ever going to talk about a "best season ever," you've got to be talking about how far a player is separating himself from his peers. That's what you've got to look at with Rodgers. He's obviously at the top of the pile, and he's putting up epic numbers, but the game is changing and other QBs are doing similar things. For example, Dan Marino's 1984 season. That year Neil Lomax was closest to Marino's 5084 yards with 4614. No one else was within a thousand yards. Marino's 48 TDs were half again as much as Dave Kreig's 32. When you're looking at Rodgers, he's the name on top of a bunch of leader boards, but it's not like he's doing things other QBs simply aren't able to do. These questions are being asked purely because passing stats have been so inflated. So... the answer to the OP's question is a flat "No."

Vaylor
11-09-2011, 07:59 PM
DON'T FORGET BRADY. "Aaron Rodgers has been outstanding this year. Absolutely terrific. But I'm tired of hearing how he's playing better right now than any QB in NFL history. Please go back and look at the numbers for Tom Brady in his first 8 games of 2007. They're better.

Yards: Rodgers: 2,619; Brady, 2,431

Touchdowns: Brady, 30; Rodgers, 24

Interceptions: Brady, 2; Rodgers, 3;

Completion percentage: Brady, 75.2; Rodgers, 72.5

OB rating: Brady, 131.1; Rodgers, 129.7

Yards per completion: Brady, 11.51; Rodgers, 9.88

I suspect Rodgers will fall off some, like Brady did in 2007, cause of winter/bad weather; teams catching up with offensive schemes a bit; injuries, etc. Wasn't Brady playing better through 8 games than Rodgers is?''
-- Jim, Mobile, Ala.

From: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11/08/week.9/index.html?eref=writers

Pretty interesting comparison.

Jvig43
11-09-2011, 08:05 PM
Are you trying to suggest we need to take in more then just one season when making GOAT suggestions? Cause if not, Alex Smith.

JBCX
11-09-2011, 08:40 PM
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, hands down. It's not even close at this point.

He will go down as the greatest QB in NFL history eventually. Only a serious injury can stop him.

Caulibflower
11-09-2011, 10:59 PM
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, hands down. It's not even close at this point.

He will go down as the greatest QB in NFL history eventually. Only a serious injury can stop him.

Given what I just posted a little bit ago, it might surprise that I actually am somewhat inclined to agree with this. Green Bay is loaded with young talent coming off an impressive Super Bowl run, and it looks like management has the ability to keep that going. Aaron Rodgers might have another decade of good football in him, and the fact that a big part of his game is improvisation combined with the talent he has, is going to result in huge numbers and a lot of credit for his team's winning. I don't think he's won his last Super Bowl. But just as far as "is this the best individual season of all time?" I'm inclined to say "no."

jsa230
11-10-2011, 12:30 AM
So it is safe to say Rodgers is playing better now than Favre ever did?

Ness
11-10-2011, 12:46 AM
FALSE.
As I just showed, there are only 3 QB's currently with passer ratings of 100 so far, and it tends to drop more the 2nd half of the season.

The yards are up all over the place because they throw more, but performances overall are not up everywhere at QB.

Actually it's true. If you got back to 2000 for example, you have only seven passers over a rating of 90, while this season thus far you have 11. You had 15 passers over a rating of 80, compared to 20 now. 23 last season. It's up and the rules have also benefited the passers. Don't just use 100 as a bench mark. If we go back further to the mid 90's it's worse.

Ness
11-10-2011, 12:54 AM
So it is safe to say Rodgers is playing better now than Favre ever did?

Yes. I wouldn't say it's be a long shot though. He never has those 4 interception games. That being said, Favre played the game in an amazing way himself. Favre in the mid 90's was a totally different player than he was in the 2000's.

jsa230
11-10-2011, 10:51 AM
Yes. I wouldn't say it's be a long shot though. He never has those 4 interception games. That being said, Favre played the game in an amazing way himself. Favre in the mid 90's was a totally different player than he was in the 2000's.
The game after Favres dad died and that MNF OT game v. Minnesota (freeman catch) are what i try to remember. Not the pick in OT in the NFCCG.

ShyneQuasiOG22
11-10-2011, 10:54 AM
With all the talk about stats I think the thing people some people are neglecting to mention is just watching him play. He has so much confidence and poise and he's doing literally everything right. Not saying he will have the best season ever or is perfect, but just watching him play there is nothing not to like about what you see.

jsa230
11-10-2011, 10:57 AM
but just watching him play there is nothing not to like about what you see. I would like to see a little more mustache from aaron. I know he has the potential . . just hasnt grown into it this year.

Iamcanadian
11-10-2011, 11:54 AM
If the question had stated the 'Will Rodgers have the best season stat wise of NFL QB's?', I might have answered yes, but he will have to go 19-0 to pass Brady as the best season QB of all time.

jackalope
11-10-2011, 12:14 PM
With all the talk about stats I think the thing people some people are neglecting to mention is just watching him play. He has so much confidence and poise and he's doing literally everything right. Not saying he will have the best season ever or is perfect, but just watching him play there is nothing not to like about what you see.

Exactly. The stats are phenomenal, but they aren't any more phenomenal than his actual play. Rodgers is making unbelievable throws on a regular basis. With the receiving corps being as talented as it is and everyone on the same page, he has the confidence to attempt virtually any throw. For example, the timing and precision of some of the team's back-shoulder pass plays is perfect (Jordy Nelson's TD last week).

If Rodgers can play as well (or close to it) in the second half of the regular season as he did in the first, and then go on a Superbowl run similar to last year's, I think it has to be the best season for a QB of all time. That's unlikely, but certainly possible.

Iamcanadian
11-10-2011, 12:40 PM
Under the current NFL rules which favour the offense immensely and try to protect the QB's from injury, it was only a matter of time before a great QB stepped forward and ripped the league apart. You notice I called Rodgers great so I'm acknowledging his talent, but face it, the NFL today isn't on the same playing field the other decade QB's had to play on, so to call it the greatest season ever is ridiculous IMO.

FUNBUNCHER
11-10-2011, 12:44 PM
Agree that Rodgers' play is more impressive than his stats.

umphrey
11-10-2011, 12:58 PM
Under the current NFL rules which favour the offense immensely and try to protect the QB's from injury, it was only a matter of time before a great QB stepped forward and ripped the league apart. You notice I called Rodgers great so I'm acknowledging his talent, but face it, the NFL today isn't on the same playing field the other decade QB's had to play on, so to call it the greatest season ever is ridiculous IMO.

I hate this argument. It doesn't make sense to diminish Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. because they aren't playing in the old days. If Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Roger Staubach, played today they would probably suck. If the game was different, Rodgers would probably suck. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Point is in the last 8 years these guys have done things that have never been done before and that makes them the best passers there has ever been. I'd almost rather just not compare them to the old guys, and say they were the best at that position, and the current guys are the best at this position.

SuperPacker
11-10-2011, 01:12 PM
I hate this argument. It doesn't make sense to diminish Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, etc. because they aren't playing in the old days. If Bart Starr, Joe Namath, Roger Staubach, played today they would probably suck. If the game was different, Rodgers would probably suck. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Point is in the last 8 years these guys have done things that have never been done before and that makes them the best passers there has ever been. I'd almost rather just not compare them to the old guys, and say they were the best at that position, and the current guys are the best at this position.

Completely agree. We will never know how Aaron Rodgers would do 30 years ago so what's the point to trying to guess? All im saying is that Aaron Rodgers has the ability to make all the throws, hes deadly accurate, has great presence in the pocket and everything else you look for in a QB. Hes the nearest thing to the perfect quarterback I have ever seen! Can anybody find a weakness in his game?

jsa230
11-10-2011, 01:34 PM
Hes the nearest thing to the perfect quarterback I have ever seen! Can anybody find a weakness in his game?

I would like to see a little more mustache from aaron. I know he has the potential . . just hasnt grown into it this year.

During the SD game(3rd q i think), the pocket collapsed and AR threw off his backfoot to Jennings. I thought for sure he was going to take the sack but at the last second out comes an absolute laser nearly perfectly thrown. I cant recall another qb making a more impressive throw. AR doesn't have "it", he is "it".

If Rodgers keeps playing like this 19-0 is possible. I cant help but think AR is going to have an off day. If GB goes 16-0 and doesnt win the super bowl its not the greatest season by a qb of all time. If they win the SB,undefeated or not, I think it is.

Statistically speaking AR is in uncharted territory. Most efficient 8 games Ive ever seen. Almost fell spoiled as a packer fan after the latter part of Favres career.

Brent
11-10-2011, 05:03 PM
Deal with it.
I was just trying to joke that if we won't sully Alex Smith by mentioning Rodgers, then we could never talk about Smith.

Raiderz4Life
11-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Aaron Rodgers is the best QB in the NFL, hands down. It's not even close at this point.

He will go down as the greatest QB in NFL history eventually. Only a serious injury can stop him.

I will just I disagree with that 2nd point. Will leave it at that because based on your previous debates...you have no rationale and it'd be a waste of my time.

niel89
11-10-2011, 05:30 PM
My rule is that you can never honestly compare players between different eras. Too many variables and no one has honestly seen all these player play to give a real comparison.

Rodger's is playing amazing right now. He has an outstanding cast around him and he is really taking advantage of it. We'll see how he compares to Manning and Bradys great season at the end of the year, but he should be right with them no doubt.

soybean
11-10-2011, 05:47 PM
The only thing that really sucks for Aaron Rodgers is that he plays for the ungreatful packer fans.

Do any of you guys remember how the media, fans, etc. started bashing him without him even have taken a meaningful snap? (even his own teammates took shots at him through the media)

"I don't feel I need to sell myself to the fans ... They need to get on board now or keep their mouths shut."

BloodBrother
11-10-2011, 05:50 PM
ungrateful fans? That was a vocal minority of idiots that EVERY fan base has

I don't remember his team mates taking shots at him at all, either. Seemed to remember a lot of them coming to his aid or saying he's the guy and he has their support

soybean
11-10-2011, 05:56 PM
ungrateful fans? That was a vocal minority of idiots that EVERY fan base has

I don't remember his team mates taking shots at him at all, either. Seemed to remember a lot of them coming to his aid or saying he's the guy and he has their support

I'm pretty sure if it was just a minority he would not have said a word, regardless if they're vocal or not.

This was a large portion of your fan base. Don't deny it. Everyone was stuck on favre mania

EDIT: if anyone wants a good laugh, read the comments under the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Aaron-Rodgers-has-an-odd-way-of-ingratiating-him?urn=nfl-91572

Raiderz4Life
11-10-2011, 06:28 PM
Yea I remember a lot of ppl talking bad about Rodgers before he took over full time.

niel89
11-10-2011, 06:34 PM
I clearly remember a small amount of bust talk when Favre was still the starter. Rodgers had extremely limited time and he didn't look that great when he was in.

FUNBUNCHER
11-10-2011, 06:51 PM
AR doesn't have "it", he is "it".



LOL!!

Sometimes hype is just the truth.

I don't like Aaron Rodgers because he's too good. Respect him, but don't like him. Which doesn't mean I hate him.

jackalope
11-11-2011, 12:43 AM
I clearly remember a small amount of bust talk when Favre was still the starter. Rodgers had extremely limited time and he didn't look that great when he was in.

Some people were concerned because he hadn't impressed in the garbage time he'd gotten, and he suffered a season ending injury after playing less than a half of football against the Patriots in 2006. If I remember correctly, he broke his foot on a run, and stayed in to finish the game. Afterwards he was placed on IR. For a fan base accustomed to Favre, this was rather startling.

He did, however, look very good when he came in against a highly regarded Dallas team in 2007. Favre left injured before the half after playing terribly. Rodgers came off the bench and made the game competitive. Personally, I had always felt as if Rodgers could start in the NFL, but this was the point that I was confident he would be good.

EDIT: I think the Brian Brohm pick also raised some concern for people, even though he was drafted with the intent to be a backup. The Brohm selection was the only Ted Thompson move that I ever absolutely hated. You don't take a backup QB in the second round.

soybean
11-11-2011, 01:05 AM
Some people were concerned because he hadn't impressed in the garbage time he'd gotten, and he suffered a season ending injury after playing less than a half of football against the Patriots in 2006. If I remember correctly, he broke his foot on a run, and stayed in to finish the game. Afterwards he was placed on IR. For a fan base accustomed to Favre, this was rather startling.


think there were also rumors of him not looking too good in practice either.

Caulibflower
11-11-2011, 04:55 PM
Just realized that A-Rog's TD% per pass attempted is 9.1. That's pretty insane. If there's a stat to be used in arguing for the OP's suggestion, it could be that. I believe the next highest is Matt Stafford at 6.4% or something. That, and his 10+ yards per attempt. That's a lot of big plays going for touchdowns.

BloodBrother
11-12-2011, 02:45 AM
I'm pretty sure if it was just a minority he would not have said a word, regardless if they're vocal or not.

This was a large portion of your fan base. Don't deny it. Everyone was stuck on favre mania

EDIT: if anyone wants a good laugh, read the comments under the article: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Aaron-Rodgers-has-an-odd-way-of-ingratiating-him?urn=nfl-91572



I'm not denying it. In any case, I don't remember his players not backing him up. Anything on that? Everything I remember was how they backed him up saying he was the QB, etc, etc

Fans are stupid. What he went through was ridiculous, but it's not uncommon and every fan base is full of crap like that. What sucks is that I bet a majority of them are back in the bandwagon after Favre sucked ass last year. Of course, being a fan of a team that went from one great QB to another is considered spoiled...I'm definitely not taking any of this for granted. It's fun as hell. I dreaded the day that Favre would retire, as I figured the Pack would spend who knows how long to find a competent QB replacement. Who would have thought they'd go from one first ballot HOFer to a guy who might end up being BETTER than him.

J-Mike88
11-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Some stuff from today.
Do former players and coaches know anymore than we do?
They better.

Cris Carter of ESPN:
"You need to keep it in perspective. There are number of guys whose level we can talk about the level he is playing to. Let’s go to (Dan) Marino and (Joe) Montana. They have played to this level. (Tom) Brady and (Brett) Favre have played to this level, more recently Brady. Joe Montana to me was the greatest quarterback in my era, because of what he could do for an offense. But Joe couldn’t throw the ball to all parts of the field. Brady, Marino and Favre they throw the ball, but the opposition touches the football. They throw the ball into coverage because they believe in their arm strength. But the opposition touches the ball more. The thing about Aaron Rodgers, he doesn’t throw interceptions. He doesn’t even throw balls the DBs touch. So there are fewer mistakes he is going to be able to make. And he can throw to every part of the football field. And with the nuances of today’s NFL game, with what the quarterback can do, I believe that’s what separates him from all these others players."

Tom Jackson of ESPN:
"He is getting hit – 11 sacks over the course of the last three games – but he has an almost 80% completion percentage. What you have is a quarterback who is at his best and who does not care about getting hit. You don’t find that in any quarterback in the National Football League."

Mike Ditka of ESPN:
"We talk about Green Bay quarterbacks – Bart Starr, three NFL championships two Super Bowls. This guy here, I don’t know. I think he has good receivers, and he makes them better because of where he puts the football. He puts the football where they are the only guys that can catch it. You don’t see that from a lot of quarterbacks.

Keyshawn Johnson of ESPN:
"He’s Peyton Manning, he’s Tom Brady, and he’s Michael Vick, all rolled up in one like a sushi roll. I think that’s who he is. Yes, he has good receivers. But he makes them even better. Receivers like to catch the football like it is a handoff. Whenver the quarterback can throw the football 50-plus yards down the field, and make it like a handoff, you can run with it. Receivers are like, that’s the guy I want to play with."

Terry Bradshaw of Fox:
"It’s only been a couple of years. We said Tom Brady was the best ever when he was 18-0. And the Giants took care of them in the Super Bowl. We have seen it with Peyton Manning when he had 48 touchdown passes. We get so caught up with the best ever. He’s have the best season of all this year. And I’m loving him watch him play. But I am not one of those guys to get caught up in the best ever thing."

Troy Aikman of Fox:
“I don’t know if I seen a quarterback playing this well as consistently as has he has ever,” Aikman said.

K Train
11-20-2011, 09:37 PM
I clearly remember a small amount of bust talk when Favre was still the starter. Rodgers had extremely limited time and he didn't look that great when he was in.

he was so bad....he grew into the postion and just mastered it since then, but its not like the packers knew they had a monster sitting on their bench, he inherited a good team and just turned on beast mode.

he was what #4 of tedfords QBs and all of them fell flat on their faces, the packers did it right in bringing rodgers up cause if he was a day one starter like carr, harrington, and boller....there was reason to think bust, theres a reason he fell in the draft (even though he was better than alex smith)

Sloopy
11-20-2011, 09:57 PM
Cris Carter of ESPN:
"You need to keep it in perspective. There are number of guys whose level we can talk about the level he is playing to. Letís go to (Dan) Marino and (Joe) Montana. They have played to this level. (Tom) Brady and (Brett) Favre have played to this level, more recently Brady. Joe Montana to me was the greatest quarterback in my era, because of what he could do for an offense. But Joe couldnít throw the ball to all parts of the field. Brady, Marino and Favre they throw the ball, but the opposition touches the football. They throw the ball into coverage because they believe in their arm strength. But the opposition touches the ball more. The thing about Aaron Rodgers, he doesnít throw interceptions. He doesnít even throw balls the DBs touch. So there are fewer mistakes he is going to be able to make. And he can throw to every part of the football field. And with the nuances of todayís NFL game, with what the quarterback can do, I believe thatís what separates him from all these others players."

Lol @ Favre playing to that level, this from the guy who said Calvin Johnson Jr. wasn't a top 5 WR or something like that IIRC.


Tom Jackson of ESPN:
"He is getting hit Ė 11 sacks over the course of the last three games Ė but he has an almost 80% completion percentage. What you have is a quarterback who is at his best and who does not care about getting hit. You donít find that in any quarterback in the National Football League."

Good point here, but doesn't necessarily quantify him as the GOAT by any stretch


Mike Ditka of ESPN:
"We talk about Green Bay quarterbacks Ė Bart Starr, three NFL championships two Super Bowls. This guy here, I donít know. I think he has good receivers, and he makes them better because of where he puts the football. He puts the football where they are the only guys that can catch it. You donít see that from a lot of quarterbacks.

Actually I'd venture to say this about a lot of QB's (admittedly Rodgers throws one of the best back shoulder fades I've seen in recent memory). We have heard commentators say this about guys like Brady, Brees, Peyton... the list goes on, just some talking head jargon.


Keyshawn Johnson of ESPN:
"Heís Peyton Manning, heís Tom Brady, and heís Michael Vick, all rolled up in one like a sushi roll. I think thatís who he is. Yes, he has good receivers. But he makes them even better. Receivers like to catch the football like it is a handoff. Whenver the quarterback can throw the football 50-plus yards down the field, and make it like a handoff, you can run with it. Receivers are like, thatís the guy I want to play with."

I generally taking nothing that this clown says seriously. Not one lick of football knowledge used in this statement to quantify his point.


Terry Bradshaw of Fox:
"Itís only been a couple of years. We said Tom Brady was the best ever when he was 18-0. And the Giants took care of them in the Super Bowl. We have seen it with Peyton Manning when he had 48 touchdown passes. We get so caught up with the best ever. Heís have the best season of all this year. And Iím loving him watch him play. But I am not one of those guys to get caught up in the best ever thing."

My god... Bradshaw is making sense.


Troy Aikman of Fox:
ďI donít know if I seen a quarterback playing this well as consistently as has he has ever,Ē Aikman said.

Really? He's played to this level consistently? Last year Tom Brady was the first ever CONSENSUS MVP of the league, Rodgers wasn't even in the conversation at the time (some people thought Vick) but at the end of the day EVERYONE VOTED Brady, NOT ONE Aaron Rodgers vote. So consistency is last years playoffs and a little over half a season

TimmG6376
11-20-2011, 10:27 PM
Lol @ Favre playing to that level, this from the guy who said Calvin Johnson Jr. wasn't a top 5 WR or something like that IIRC.

The great Rodgers-Favre myth (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/134041253.html)

My guess is that many of those who want to say Rodgers is playing better than Favre never saw Favre play in his prime. Either that or they're just incapable of viewing this argument in an objective manner.

Having a gut feeling that Favre's numbers would stand up to Rodgers' at some point during his career, I went back and looked at the '95 and '96 seasons, when he was roughly the same age as Rodgers is now, and was in the midst of winning three straight MVP awards.

What I found was that during a 16-game stretch that started near the end of the '95 season and continued into '96, Favre threw for 49 touchdowns and seven interceptions.

That's right: 49 touchdowns and seven interceptions.

What I also found was that Favre's numbers were comparable if not better than Rodgers'.

The complete numbers were 353 completions in 517 attempts for 4,243 yards (68.3%), 49 touchdowns, seven interceptions, 32 sacks and a passer rating of 119.1. The Packers' record during that stretch was 14-2, including 2-1 in the playoffs.

Rodgers' numbers over his last 16 games are this: 356 completions in 503 attempts (70.8%) for 4,642 yards, 42 touchdowns, seven interceptions, 37 sacks and a passer rating of 121.5. The Packers are 15-1 in that stretch, including 4-0 in the post-season.

If you want to just look at the nine-game stretch Rodgers is in the midst of now, Favre's final three games in '95 and first six in '96 hold up also (28 TDs, 5 INTs).

Sloopy
11-21-2011, 08:05 AM
The great Rodgers-Favre myth (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/134041253.html)

Yea I guess I wouldn't be surprised, I was originally going to write Lol@ Favre being the greatest of all time but then went to more directly quote Carter.

The general point I am trying to make here is that we have seen this from guys before. Though in a little less than a calendar year, we have seen Rodgers anointed as the greatest single season QB and in some cases greatest of all time

AntoinCD
11-21-2011, 08:46 AM
I just don't listen to or read anything Cris Carter says anymore.

"Brady, Marino and Favre they throw the ball, but the opposition touches the football. They throw the ball into coverage because they believe in their arm strength. But the opposition touches the ball more. The thing about Aaron Rodgers, he doesnít throw interceptions."

Does he not realise that statiscally Brady has the two best seasons TD/INT wise?

Last year Brady threw for 4 INTs the whole season! His career high for INTs is 14. Rodgers' career high is 13 so it's hardly miles of diference.

I realise that Rodgers is having an amzing year and he is the best QB in the game at the minute, but some of this hype is getting ridiculous.

TimmG6376
11-21-2011, 09:01 AM
Yea I guess I wouldn't be surprised, I was originally going to write Lol@ Favre being the greatest of all time but then went to more directly quote Carter.

The general point I am trying to make here is that we have seen this from guys before. Though in a little less than a calendar year, we have seen Rodgers anointed as the greatest single season QB and in some cases greatest of all time

I've purposely tried stayed out of the GOAT debate. I think most of those discussions are pointless. There are just too many other factors, especially when trying to compare QBs of different eras. Everyone's answer to declaring Rodgers GOAT is "what about Brady in 2007". In 2007, when Brady was tearing it up it was "no one will ever be better than Montana statistics be damned".

Sloopy
11-21-2011, 09:07 AM
Exactly

I just can't stand the talking heads and believe that what they say should NEVER be used as a way of backing up an argument.

A Perfect Score
11-21-2011, 09:10 AM
Exactly

I just can't stand the talking heads and believe that what they say should NEVER be used as a way of backing up an argument.

Considering I'm fairly positive several of the major ones can't even read, I'm going to support this statement.

Sloopy
11-21-2011, 09:32 AM
Considering I'm fairly positive several of the major ones can't even read

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/football/nfl/players/3499.jpg

WCH
11-21-2011, 10:10 AM
he was so bad....he grew into the postion and just mastered it since then, but its not like the packers knew they had a monster sitting on their bench, he inherited a good team and just turned on beast mode.

he was what #4 of tedfords QBs and all of them fell flat on their faces, the packers did it right in bringing rodgers up cause if he was a day one starter like carr, harrington, and boller....there was reason to think bust, theres a reason he fell in the draft (even though he was better than alex smith)

He could have played in his third year, but he did sorta suck his first two seasons. A lot of that, I think, had to do with the complexity of McCarthy's offense. Favre was able to make a faster transition because he knew the WCO like the back of his hand, but also because he spent most of his last season in GB audibling to plays that he was comfortable with (I still think of that as Favre's best season, because he was so zen in the way he ran the offense).

Coming out of Cal, AR's strength was his ability to make pre- and post-snap reads, which I don't think you can really teach to a guy who's already in the NFL. Aside from that innate gift, he was a typical Tedford product. Mechanically, he needed to be broken down and rebuilt. He really couldn't have landed in a better situation than playing behind Favre for three years and being coached by McCarthy.

TimmG6376
11-21-2011, 10:17 AM
he was so bad....he grew into the postion and just mastered it since then, but its not like the packers knew they had a monster sitting on their bench, he inherited a good team and just turned on beast mode.

he was what #4 of tedfords QBs and all of them fell flat on their faces, the packers did it right in bringing rodgers up cause if he was a day one starter like carr, harrington, and boller....there was reason to think bust, theres a reason he fell in the draft (even though he was better than alex smith)

Disagree. He was untested because Favre never missed time. Maybe some know-it-all fans questioned him, but the coaches obviously never did. In his first game action he actually looked very good but got injured. After that the only question was whether he could stay healthy.

Game against Cowboys helped sell Pack on Rodgers (http://superbowlblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/02/game-against-cowboys-helped-se.html)

Although the Cowboys didn't realize it at the time, they played a key role in the development of Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Still an untested backup, Rodgers replaced an injured Brett Favre against the Cowboys in November 2007. He completed 18-of-26 passes for 201 with a touchdown and ran for another 30 yards. By the start of 2008, the Favre era had ended in Green Bay and Rodgers was the new starting quarterback.

"Well, it gave everybody confidence," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said today at his morning press conference in Irving. "Number one, when you put a quarterback in a game for the first time, it's important to try to get him off to a good start, and the first thing you need to do as a playcaller is to put him in plays that he's very familiar with, but also give your football team a chance to win games.

"And that's exactly what I told him that night, that Thursday night. We're going to stay right with the plan, gave him some easy throws early, and just let him take off and play. It gave our offense a lot of confidence, because they knew we wouldn't miss a beat if Aaron had to play, and it really gave him a lot of confidence. It just really justified all the work that he had put in, it justified quarterback school, his development and so forth, and every quarterback needs that."

mellojello
11-21-2011, 12:56 PM
he was so bad....he grew into the postion and just mastered it since then, but its not like the packers knew they had a monster sitting on their bench, he inherited a good team and just turned on beast mode.

he was what #4 of tedfords QBs and all of them fell flat on their faces, the packers did it right in bringing rodgers up cause if he was a day one starter like carr, harrington, and boller....there was reason to think bust, theres a reason he fell in the draft (even though he was better than alex smith)I disagree with the notion that Arod "was so bad" before growing into the position. If you had followed Arod's college career, you were thinking that he looked like he was playing at Cal in that Cowboys game in November 2007. There was effectively no drop off from his college game and that was surprising. What he is evolving into today is special though. There is little doubt in my mind that he "stole" elements of Brett's game and made it his own, but Arod had all the tools to be successful in the pros.

MetSox17
11-21-2011, 12:59 PM
He threw an interception yesterday, he sucks.

K Train
11-21-2011, 01:02 PM
I disagree with the notion that Arod "was so bad" before growing into the position. If you had followed Arod's college career, you were thinking that he looked like he was playing at Cal in that Cowboys game in November 2007. There was effectively no drop off from his college game and that was surprising. What he is evolving into today is special though. There is little doubt in my mind that he "stole" elements of Brett's game and made it his own, but Arod had all the tools to be successful in the pros.

im not saying he didnt....however he looked very bad in what i saw of him in preseason, very limited regular season action if favre was banged up or it was a blowout...but i thought he looked extremely shaky, nervous, and was made out of glass....i remember him coming in for a few snaps and ending up on IR

rather than having 20/20 hindsight and saying he was a super beast, im saying i really didnt think he was going to be much for a while. i mean favre plays in 200+ games in a row and showed hes on of the best and toughest QBs of all time and rodgers comes in for 5 snaps and breaks his foot...just looked pretty unfortunate.

i called rodgers a master of the position prior to last year, i have a lot of posts in the rodgers vs rivers thread heavily in favor of rodgers, which before last years postseason was an "omg your crraazzzyyyyy" if you believe rodgers is better than rivers.

my entire point is when it came to raising a franchise QB...packers are one of few teams that got it right

AntoinCD
11-21-2011, 01:18 PM
He threw an interception yesterday, he sucks.

Does Cris Carter know? Because Aaron Rodgers doesn't throw INTs. Must've been a mistake in the boxscore

J-Mike88
11-21-2011, 04:02 PM
Disagree. He was untested because Favre never missed time. Maybe some know-it-all fans questioned him, but the coaches obviously never did. In his first game action he actually looked very good but got injured. After that the only question was whether he could stay healthy.

Game against Cowboys helped sell Pack on Rodgers (http://superbowlblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/02/game-against-cowboys-helped-se.html)
I was at that game here in Dallas that 2007 showdown.
Both teams were 10-1 and it would be for homefield advantage in the NFC title game.
Farve, as usual when I went to games, sucked. He threw 2 ugly interceptions which led to 14 Dallas points, and dug us in a 27-10 hole.
Then he exited due to a bumped elbow.

Rodgers came in and was sensational, leading us back to within 4 or 7 late...... but the Cowboys ate up the last chunk of time, and either tacked on a FG or TD, or ran out the clock, something like that.

I remember hearing comments from the Cowboys defenders after the game saying they're just glad they didn't knock Farve out sooner because Rodgers was better.

We knew that night that he was going to be our guy, and many of us wish he could have played that NFCCG vs the Giants that Farve patently f****d up at the end.

But yes Farve was sensational back in the day during 3 straight MVP seasons.

Packer fans are spoiled in that they've had 2 all-world QBs for a span of 20 years where some teams.....

J-Mike88
05-22-2013, 10:57 PM
OK, after reading the 1984 Marino stuff, it got me thinking: What was the best complete single season ever a QB had. In modern NFL at least.

Didn't want to start a new thread.

I rank the clear best 5 like this:

1999 Warner 109.2, 41 TD, 13 Int, 4,353 yards (13-3, won Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP)
1984 Marino 108.9, 48 TD, 17 Int, 5,084 yards (14-2 Super Bowl loss to 49ers)
2007 Brady 117.2, 50 TD, 8 Int, 4,806 yards (16-0, Super Bowl loss)
2011 Rodgers 122.5, 45 TD, 6 Int, 4,643 yards -sat final game- (15-1, lost in NFCD)
2004 Manning 121.1, 49 TD, 10 Int, 4,557 yards (12-4, lost in AFCD)

I'm not biased.
And it's not all about QB-rating, although that's a clear and pretty accurate indicator of success.

The reason I put Warner #1 is he put that team on his back, from week one until winning the Super Bowl, with a SB record, and SB MVP.

Marino's regular season IMO was more impressive considering he broke the previous TD record BY 12! From 36 until that year, to his 48. Plus he had over 5,000 yards. And took his team to the Super Bowl. That could be ahead of Warner.

The other 3, more recent.... I put Brady ahead because they went undefeated until the Super Bowl, whereas both Rodgers and Manning lost in the conference semifinal. Rodgers should not have sat that week 17. Not because it cost him stat-padding (Matt Flynn had 6 TDs and 400+ yards that game), but because it made it so Rodgers went 3 weeks between games and got off his groove a bit.
Manning, in the playoffs, laid an egg in NE losing to Brady, with the Colts receivers getting mugged, assaulted, molested from start to finish.

niel89
05-23-2013, 01:12 AM
Rodgers is overrated. Flynn showed how much the system and the great WR talent help them out. 4th behind Brady Manning and Brees.

WCH
05-23-2013, 01:20 AM
Rodgers is overrated. Flynn showed how much the system and the great WR talent help them out. 4th behind Brady Manning and Brees.

If you're serious, then this is pretty lazy scouting-by-proxy and you're better than that.

jrdrylie
05-23-2013, 07:07 AM
Rodgers is overrated. Flynn showed how much the system and the great WR talent help them out. 4th behind Brady Manning and Brees.

That was the Detroit defense being awful.

AntoinCD
05-23-2013, 07:42 AM
I rank the clear best 5 like this:

1999 Warner 109.2, 41 TD, 13 Int, 4,353 yards (13-3, won Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP)
1984 Marino 108.9, 48 TD, 17 Int, 5,084 yards (14-2 Super Bowl loss to 49ers)
2007 Brady 117.2, 50 TD, 8 Int, 4,806 yards (16-0, Super Bowl loss)
2011 Rodgers 122.5, 45 TD, 6 Int, 4,643 yards -sat final game- (15-1, lost in NFCD)
2004 Manning 121.1, 49 TD, 10 Int, 4,557 yards (12-4, lost in AFCD)


It may not be statistics wise, but Brady's 2010 season was better than his 2007 season. Randy Moss was straight balling in 2007 but laid an egg for the 4 weeks he was in NE in 2010. Brady had an incredible year and the 4 INTs was an incredible feat

hockey619
05-23-2013, 08:01 AM
It may not be statistics wise, but Brady's 2010 season was better than his 2007 season. Randy Moss was straight balling in 2007 but laid an egg for the 4 weeks he was in NE in 2010. Brady had an incredible year and the 4 INTs was an incredible feat


100% agree with this. He was still breaking in his TEs when randy moss flatlined. he was incredibly consistent, efficient and mistake free, everything that makes brady so great.

Its the same way i think peytons best year was when he dragged a craptastic and broken team to the super bowl against the saints. That team was very unimpressive; the line was in tatters and the run game was atrocious but he went beserk.

J-Mike88
05-23-2013, 10:38 PM
Have to look back at those seasons..... But Brady set the all-time record in 2007, just lights out. Sure a lot of it was to Moss, but remember that was the Randy Moss that nobody else wanted and who everyone said had lost his speed.

AntoinCD
05-24-2013, 03:48 AM
Have to look back at those seasons..... But Brady set the all-time record in 2007, just lights out. Sure a lot of it was to Moss, but remember that was the Randy Moss that nobody else wanted and who everyone said had lost his speed.

I remember, and I'm not saying Brady wasn't amazing that year as well, it's just his overall level of play was higher in 2010 than it was in 2007 IMO.

Ness
05-24-2013, 05:55 AM
Rodgers is overrated. Flynn showed how much the system and the great WR talent help them out. 4th behind Brady Manning and Brees.

That Detroit defense was terrible though. And Flynn might actually be a good player in his own right. We'll see this season with the Raiders. In two career starts he's looked pretty decent.

cmarq83
05-24-2013, 08:25 AM
That Detroit defense was terrible though. And Flynn might actually be a good player in his own right. We'll see this season with the Raiders. In two career starts he's looked pretty decent.

Tbh every team the Packers played that season had a horrible defense. It was an incredible anomaly of a schedule.

J-Mike88
05-24-2013, 07:40 PM
Tbh every team the Packers played that season had a horrible defense. It was an incredible anomaly of a schedule.
Well the funny thing is the Packers played at the Giants that season and lit them up.
But then in the home cold playoff game in Green Bay, the offense stumbled, fumbled 3 times, dropped passes, failed to block.