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Breed
11-19-2011, 01:20 PM
Who is the best caucasian wide out in the NFL? Who ya got?

jsa230
11-19-2011, 01:24 PM
ahh yea . . first vote on Breeds thread.

mqtirishfan
11-19-2011, 01:25 PM
*Not touching with ten foot pole*

Bengalsrocket
11-19-2011, 01:29 PM
*Not touching with ten foot pole*

lol it's not bad at all, relax.

Threw out an other vote for Shipley, not because he actually is the best but because he'll be forgotten about soon with all the injuries :*(

Raiderz4Life
11-19-2011, 01:29 PM
obviously...JORDDYYZZZZ...cuz he's on the PACKERZZZZ....and gets the ball thrown by Aaron RodgerZZZZZZ....QB of the Green Bay Packerzzzzz

V.I.P
11-19-2011, 01:31 PM
Wes Welker > Jordyzzzzzzz

Bengalsrocket
11-19-2011, 01:33 PM
Wes Welker > Jordyzzzzzzz

Yea but how good is Wes Wlker?

BloodBrother
11-19-2011, 01:34 PM
Bill Schroeder

Shane P. Hallam
11-19-2011, 01:35 PM
Be cautious with this thread please.

shylo3716
11-19-2011, 01:37 PM
Gonzalez fell off the map

Complex
11-19-2011, 01:41 PM
Brian Finneran and its not even close.

diabsoule
11-19-2011, 01:51 PM
It's hard to decide between Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff, and Steve Largent.

Xonraider
11-19-2011, 01:56 PM
Right now: Welker, then Jordy. The rest are pretty average imo. All time? Largent I think.

keylime_5
11-19-2011, 01:57 PM
you mean 2nd best white WR right? Because there is no question that it's Wes Welker.

AntoinCD
11-19-2011, 02:00 PM
I really don't see the relevance of their colour, but of all the WRs listed its Welker and its not even close

Hurricanes25
11-19-2011, 02:02 PM
Welker. Jordy Nelson is a close second though.

A Perfect Score
11-19-2011, 02:02 PM
The correct answer is Ed McCaffery.

FUNBUNCHER
11-19-2011, 02:07 PM
Can I take two biracial WRs and add them together??

ChiFan24
11-19-2011, 02:09 PM
Blair White.

BloodBrother
11-19-2011, 02:11 PM
The correct answer is Ed McCaffery.

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the song really works with the video

gsorace
11-19-2011, 02:23 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vv6jQGjbSOo/TDH4bNFfZrI/AAAAAAAAK8Y/XnFuUtxqQzU/s800/Wayne+Chrebet.jpg

cvv84
11-19-2011, 02:40 PM
Gonzalez fell off the map

Gonzalez needs a map just to find the map

Don Vito
11-19-2011, 03:45 PM
Fun fact: there is one 1,000 yard receiver in the NFL right now and he isn't black believe it or not. He also has the most catches in the NFL by 10.

Splat
11-19-2011, 04:12 PM
Wes Welker. No poll needed.

nobodyinparticular
11-19-2011, 04:28 PM
If Fred Biletnikoff stepped on the field right now, he would probably be a better WR than Anthony Gonzalez.

SuperPacker
11-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Jordy Nelson is a beast of a wide receiver but im not that much of a homer to think hes better than Welker. I did vote for Nelson though! The most explosive white receiver i've seen.

Hines
11-19-2011, 04:48 PM
Tyler Grisham.

Grizzlegom
11-19-2011, 04:57 PM
Brian Hartl....couldn't finish that, is there really a question here? Welker by a mile.

vidae
11-19-2011, 05:04 PM
If Fred Biletnikoff stepped on the field right now, he would probably be a better WR than Anthony Gonzalez.

If *I* stepped on the field right now I'd be better than Anthony Gonzalez.

Paul
11-19-2011, 05:08 PM
If *I* stepped on the field right now I'd be better than Anthony Gonzalez.

Well, you're black. It's not really fair.

Smooth Criminal
11-19-2011, 06:19 PM
Gotta be Welker. He's such a beast.

niel89
11-19-2011, 06:22 PM
The correct answer is Ed McCaffery.

He had zzz's before zzz's were a thing.

TheBoyWonder22
11-19-2011, 07:03 PM
Obviously it's Ricky Proehl.

phlysac
11-19-2011, 07:17 PM
Roddy White.


Does he count?

jrdrylie
11-19-2011, 07:49 PM
http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2011/09/04/300x_b1_a4-3_cCM_z_ca3,0,360,388_cT/Darryl-Drake-Dane-Sanzenbacher-makes-Bears-cut.jpg

Dane Sanzzzenbacher!

Sloopy
11-19-2011, 08:44 PM
http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2011/09/04/300x_b1_a4-3_cCM_z_ca3,0,360,388_cT/Darryl-Drake-Dane-Sanzenbacher-makes-Bears-cut.jpg

Dane Sanzzzenbacher!

SANZZZZZZZZZZZZZZENBACHAAAA

ChiFan24
11-19-2011, 08:51 PM
http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2011/09/04/300x_b1_a4-3_cCM_z_ca3,0,360,388_cT/Darryl-Drake-Dane-Sanzenbacher-makes-Bears-cut.jpg

Dane Sanzzzenbacher!

It's funny because he's actually awful.

nepg
11-19-2011, 09:08 PM
Welker then it's a tough call between Jordyzzz and Decker.

Decker would be putting up some serious numbers in a good passing offense.

jrdrylie
11-19-2011, 09:09 PM
It's funny because he's actually awful.

Pshhhh, he's the second best receiver on the Bears.

the_legend_killer
11-19-2011, 09:17 PM
Chris Walsh.

ChiFan24
11-19-2011, 09:41 PM
Pshhhh, he's the second best receiver on the Bears.

Can't say I'm a fan.

Halsey
11-19-2011, 09:41 PM
Roddy White

jrdrylie
11-19-2011, 09:45 PM
Can't say I'm a fan.

I'm a fan, but he is not ready yet. If we had any talent whatsoever at receiver, he would never see the field. I don't think he'll ever be a star for us, but in a few years, I could see him being a very good slot receiver.

Shane P. Hallam
11-19-2011, 09:46 PM
Can't say I'm a fan.

Yeah! Stupid undrafted player not playing like a starter! He's terrible!

ChiFan24
11-19-2011, 09:57 PM
Yeah! Stupid undrafted player not playing like a starter! He's terrible!

If you were a Bears fan and had to be subjected to the constant unwarranted Sanzenbacher love, you'd know where I'm coming from. His ability to make tough grabs in traffic is one of his few redeeming qualities, yet he was second in the league in drops when Earl Bennett came back.

And yeah, he's fine and probably worth hanging onto. I just don't want him to see the field again any time soon.

J-Mike88
11-19-2011, 10:24 PM
you mean 2nd best white WR right? Because there is no question that it's Wes Welker.
E X A C T L Y

I thought about whipping up a poll myself (surprise!) to ask who would be the 2nd WR on the All-White All-Pro team because Welker is in a league of his own. Well in terms of "production".
And last I checked, production is what counts.

Welker & Jordyzz would be the starting duo, and a good one at that.
Not as athletic or electric as say Megatron and Fitz or Andre. But they get the job done.... although how much would Jordyzz do with a mortal at QB?

nepg
11-19-2011, 10:26 PM
I think Jordyzzz isn't that far behind (if at all?) Andre Johnson as far as athleticism goes. He and Decker are right up there with the most athletic receivers in the NFL.

soybean
11-19-2011, 11:28 PM
I'm a big austin collie fan. but i guess he doesn't have the stats to back him up right now considering he could probably put up better numbers with a throwing machine.

I think he could equal or be better than jordy nelson if he were on the packers.

BloodBrother
11-19-2011, 11:47 PM
Jordy has the speed to actually get behind defenders. Think he ran a 4.45-4.50 40 at the combine which is good for a guy his size. I think he leads the NFL with catches of over 50 yards this year. Still, the obvious choice here is Welker. He's done it for a few years now

also agreed with whoever said that Decker is probably just as good if not better than Jordy. Kills me to see him get open deep only for Tebow to horribly miss him.

thegreatone
11-19-2011, 11:48 PM
Didn't know there was such a thing...

Breed
11-19-2011, 11:51 PM
This will happen tomorrow...

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BloodBrother
11-19-2011, 11:54 PM
Yes it will

mellojello
11-20-2011, 03:43 AM
The only thing that Welker & Nelson have in common is their skin color. If I'm starting a team today, I'm going with Jordy Nelson, only because he's bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic. Jordy reminds me of Larry Fitzgerald physically. It's not entirely surprising that Jordy has one of the highest average yards per catch given his combination of speed, size and strength. Not only is he hard to bring down, he can get around defenders too. A lot WR's in the NFL have been developing their skills since they could walk. The fact that Jordy only started playing WR in his so. year of college is probably a testiment to his athleticism and hard work, but because he is "relatively" new to the position, I think he still has a lot of upside. I don't think what he's doing now or what he did against the Steelers is any kind of fluke.

For those of you going with Welker, I'm curious why. Besides his production in the NE offense, what makes you think Wes is better?

wicket
11-20-2011, 03:48 AM
welker>jordyzzz>deckerzzzz> the rest

niel89
11-20-2011, 04:11 AM
there goes MY hero

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TitanHope
11-20-2011, 04:14 AM
I miss Drew Bennett, and I'm sad that the corpse of Anthony Gonzalez can get on the poll but Marc "he can fly for a white guy" Mariani can't. The man's a Pro Bowler...as a return specialist!

I mean, yeah, he can't even get separation from linebackers, but Gonzo can't separate himself from his failures.

Oh, and Jordyz is only good because he's white. Oh yes, I read that article.

It's funny because he's actually awful.

Pshhhh, he's the second best receiver on the Bears.

These are, how you say, not mutually exclusive. Teehee!

J-Mike88
11-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Jordy has the speed to actually get behind defenders. Think he ran a 4.45-4.50 40 at the combine which is good for a guy his size. I think he leads the NFL with catches of over 50 yards this year. Still, the obvious choice here is Welker. He's done it for a few years now
Jordy did it again today..... 124 yards, got deep for the clinching 40-yard deep ball TD.
Why do DBs keep under-estimating his speed?

Breed
11-20-2011, 08:49 PM
Why do DBs keep under-estimating his speed?

Because he is white...

Babylon
11-20-2011, 09:51 PM
It's hard to decide between Lance Alworth, Fred Biletnikoff, and Steve Largent.

Always nice to take a trip down memory lane.

I'd pick Roger Carr, Jack Snow and Kirk Gibson but those are names before most in here can remember.

armageddon
11-20-2011, 10:59 PM
Pat Tilley

Babylon
11-20-2011, 11:40 PM
Riley Cooper

mellojello
11-21-2011, 12:38 AM
Jordy did it again today..... 124 yards, got deep for the clinching 40-yard deep ball TD.
Why do DBs keep under-estimating his speed?There was no safety help on that play as everyone was coming on the blitz. Rodgers probably could have hit any of his WR's there, but probably singled out that corner as the best mismatch. I don't think it was a situation where they were under-estimating Nelson, the Bucks were just trying to make a play and GB was better.

Being how Arod gets rid of the ball so quick, I wonder how effective bringing a safetly blitz from that far out would ever be against this GB team. That safety was so irrelavant in that play that it was like playing defense with 10 players.

The Alex
11-21-2011, 03:11 AM
Gonzalez counts as white?

jayceheathman
11-21-2011, 03:45 AM
Take Brady away from Welker and he will have the same season as Collie without Manning.

AntoinCD
11-21-2011, 06:58 AM
Im confused here. Some people are saying Aaron Rodgers is having the best season of all time for a QB, but yet detract from Welker because he has Tom Brady throwing to him??? Surely Jordy benefits from Aaron Rodgers???

People can't have it both ways.

Fact of the matter is that Welker has done it consistently for the last four years, and this year he has 32 more catches, 250 more yards but 3 less TDs.

Don't get me wrong, Jordy is a great player and will be a star, but for all the "Welker has Brady comments" you could say "Jordy has Rodgers and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley to take away coverage."

With the exceptions of Gronk and maybe Hernandez, who scares opposing defensive cooridnators on the Pats?

Brent
11-21-2011, 07:39 AM
I love Eric Decker

TimmG6376
11-21-2011, 08:42 AM
I'm not sure whether jayceheathman is saying that Welker is nothing without Brady or that if Manning was healthy Collie would be in the discussion. Both Jordy and Welker play with great QBs, so that is not a valid argument for one or the other. And there is no way of knowing what Collie would be doing if Manning were healthy. Would Collie even be healthy? How many concussions is he up to now?

BaLLiN
11-21-2011, 08:53 AM
Take Brady away from Welker and he will have the same season as Collie without Manning.

really? because me thinks that in 2008 (year that Brady got injured for the season against the chiefs in the first game) that wes welker had a 1,000 yard season and over 100 catches....

Edit:

http://www.nfl.com/player/weswelker/2505790/profile

jrdrylie
11-21-2011, 08:57 AM
Take Brady away from Welker and he will have the same season as Collie without Manning.

Would Welker be worse without Brady? Of course, pretty much every receiver would be. But he did have a pretty good season in Miami with Joey Harrington, a washed up Daunte Culpepper, and Cleo Lemon throwing him the ball.

WCH
11-21-2011, 09:39 AM
Don't get me wrong, Jordy is a great player and will be a star, but for all the "Welker has Brady comments" you could say "Jordy has Rodgers and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley to take away coverage."


I think that most Packer fans would agree that the Packers receivers/backs all look better than they really are (possible exception for Jennings), due to scheme, diversity of talent, and their QB. That's why Jones only got $3.5 Million on the open market, why Jordy signed for only $4.5 Million per year, and why Finley is talking about giving a "hometown discount." And nobody thinks that Starks/Grant/Kuhn would have much value to anybody other than Green Bay. Kuhn is great in the system, Grant is 29, and Starks is a homeless man's Adrian Peterson.

It's not that these aren't good players, they're just more effective/valuable with Green Bay than they would be with anybody else in the NFL. I don't follow the Patriots nearly as close, but I think that the same can be said for a lot of their offensive skill players.

TimmG6376
11-21-2011, 10:07 AM
Im confused here. Some people are saying Aaron Rodgers is having the best season of all time for a QB, but yet detract from Welker because he has Tom Brady throwing to him??? Surely Jordy benefits from Aaron Rodgers???

People can't have it both ways.

Fact of the matter is that Welker has done it consistently for the last four years, and this year he has 32 more catches, 250 more yards but 3 less TDs.

Don't get me wrong, Jordy is a great player and will be a star, but for all the "Welker has Brady comments" you could say "Jordy has Rodgers and Greg Jennings, Donald Driver and Jermichael Finley to take away coverage."

With the exceptions of Gronk and maybe Hernandez, who scares opposing defensive cooridnators on the Pats?

Welker has also been targeted 100 times compared to Jordy's 53. The downside to having those weapons around him is that he doesn't get as many opportunities. He is often not the primary option whereas Welker is the primary on seemingly every play.

I think you have to give the edge to Welker right now because he has the numbers and he's done it longer, but I wouldn't trade Jordy for him.

AntoinCD
11-21-2011, 10:38 AM
Welker has also been targeted 100 times compared to Jordy's 53. The downside to having those weapons around him is that he doesn't get as many opportunities. He is often not the primary option whereas Welker is the primary on seemingly every play.

I think you have to give the edge to Welker right now because he has the numbers and he's done it longer, but I wouldn't trade Jordy for him.

Sure but Welker has also had Revis on him for two games.

I can understand why you wouldn't trade Jordy for Welker. In fact, in a strange way I would maybe trade Welker for Jordy however I still think Welker is better. The Pats could really use a guy like Jordy on the outside whereas they have Gronk, Hernandez and even Edelman to work the middle of the field.

It all comes down to what you want your team to do. Welker moves the chains and picks up tough yardage and is pretty much always good for 6-8 catches and 80-100 yards every game. That consistency for a WR is invaluable.

brat316
11-21-2011, 10:48 AM
Gonzalez fell off the map

Gonzalez can't be on this list. That clearly is a Latino name

mellojello
11-21-2011, 12:16 PM
Jordy signed for only $4.5 Million per yearGiven Jordy's physical skill set, I think the Packers got a steal. Some credit has to go to the GB organization for recognizing his talent early and locking him up, which GB is known for doing. I don't think it is necessairly indicative of Jordy's worth though.

SickwithIt1010
11-21-2011, 02:51 PM
*Not touching with ten foot pole*

You already did.

JordanTaber
11-21-2011, 03:09 PM
Wes Welker is the most overrated player in the history of professional football.

A career number 3 receiver who couldn't beat a legitimate starting cornerback one-on-one to save his life. Yet since he's thrown 10-15 quick hitches/WR screens/passes into vacated zones per game in the slot, the stat-***** fans think they have no choice but to acknowledge his "awesomenezzzzzz."

I guess they missed when Julian Edelman came in and caught about 8 balls per game in his place.

Ya know what the most important stat for a receiver is? CLEARLY receptionssss!!!

Derek Loville caught 87 balls for the 49ers in 1995. What a stud pass catching back he was, yo. No system involved there or anything. "Doi, all da players play in a system, you gots to executes!"

robert pancake gallery
11-21-2011, 03:10 PM
Eric Big Dick Decker.

gpngc
11-21-2011, 03:13 PM
Wes Welker is the most overrated player in the history of professional football.

A career number 3 receiver who couldn't beat a legitimate starting cornerback one-on-one to save his life. Yet since he's thrown 10-15 quick hitches/WR screens/passes into vacated zones per game in the slot, the stat-***** fans think they have no choice but to acknowledge his "awesomenezzzzzz."

I guess they missed when Julian Edelman came in and caught about 8 balls per game in his place.

Ya know what the most important stat for a receiver is? CLEARLY receptionssss!!!

Derek Loville caught 87 balls for the 49ers in 1995. What a stud pass catching back he was, yo. No system involved there or anything. "Doi, all da players play in a system, you gots to executes!"

He is short-changing Welker's ability but he makes some points that I've always thought as well...

Jordy is a better WIDE receiver, no doubt. But the crux of the argument deals with system, routes, the fact that they play different positions and about 100 other variables that aren't accounted for much when you ask "who would you rather have" or "who is better."

General Zod
11-21-2011, 03:58 PM
Joe Jurevicius

robert pancake gallery
11-21-2011, 04:02 PM
can i change my vote?
http://thefuzzyball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ALeqM5h1euLgWy8rMTyT7alI53v6PuavCw-1.jpg

J-Mike88
11-21-2011, 04:04 PM
Joe Jurevicius
Good call.
Going back a bit further, I will say Don Beebe!

The original "White Lightning" played in 5 Super Bowls in a 6-year span!

K Train
11-21-2011, 05:54 PM
can i change my vote?
http://thefuzzyball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ALeqM5h1euLgWy8rMTyT7alI53v6PuavCw-1.jpg

MATT MUTHAF@%$KIN JONES

welker is overrated i agree with who said that, its like the patriots making danny woodhead look like a useful NFL player, its a hoax. Hes a good slot receiver, just filthy at underneath routes and a great return man because hes absolutely fearless but the pats use him to his maximum ability.

jordy ftw

TimmG6376
11-21-2011, 06:06 PM
I'm just pleased that we are even having this discussion, because the drafting of Jordy at the time was a big WTF moment for me.

Breed
11-21-2011, 06:25 PM
I'm just pleased that we are even having this discussion, because the drafting of Jordy at the time was a big WTF moment for me.

I think after Jordy's performance yesterday he is in fact the best white wide receiver ... He is better than Welker, and he can be productive lining up on the outside, unlike Welker...

MetSox17
11-21-2011, 06:54 PM
can i change my vote?
http://thefuzzyball.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/ALeqM5h1euLgWy8rMTyT7alI53v6PuavCw-1.jpg

How anyone was surprised that this guy was caught snorting blow in an empty parking lot is beyond me.

XxXdragonXxX
11-21-2011, 08:44 PM
Steve Largent

ChiFan24
11-22-2011, 12:48 AM
Blair ******* White.

sbh15
11-22-2011, 01:01 AM
would it be weird for me to say that i enjoy having breed as a member here?

ChiFan24
11-22-2011, 01:08 AM
would it be weird for me to say that i enjoy having breed as a member here?

I agree. I propose whatever the opposite of rep rape is.

kalbears13
11-22-2011, 01:49 AM
I agree. I propose whatever the opposite of rep rape is.

rep........

AntoinCD
11-22-2011, 03:05 AM
I really don't understand all this hate for Welker and I'm really trying not to be a homer here.

But the arguements saying he is a slot WR and only runs underneath routes are ridiculous. That's like saying Jermon Bushrod is a better offensive lineman than Carl Nicks or Jahri Evans because he plays LT instead of OG.

With the proliferation of spread offenses the slot WR is every bit as important as the X or the Z. Calvin Johnson couldn't do what Wes Welker does in the same way that Welker clearly can't do what Calvin does. Welker doesn't have the size, strength or long speed to be effective out wide. Likewise Calvin doesn't have the route running ability, quickness or ability to exploit zones that Welker does.

You can say that certain players are more talented than Welker by all means but the fact of the matter is he is the best at what he does in the NFL, maybe all time.

And I understand why people hate stats. It's easy to look at numbers without even watching games and form opinions, but at the end of the day the most important thing in the NFL is production, and Welker's production the last four years is unrivalled. You can be ridiculously talented but if you don't produce then you aren't doing much to help your team

OzTitan
11-22-2011, 05:52 AM
If anyone could do what Welker does, they probably would do it, wouldn't they?

cmarq83
11-22-2011, 08:03 AM
A career number 3 receiver who couldn't beat a legitimate starting cornerback one-on-one to save his life. Yet since he's thrown 10-15 quick hitches/WR screens/passes into vacated zones per game in the slot, the stat-***** fans think they have no choice but to acknowledge his "awesomenezzzzzz."


You're clearly not watching closely enough, the passes you described only makes up about 1/3 of Welker's game. He does most of his work on outs, whips, and drags which are routes that take a lot of short area quickness, ability to sell a route, and ability to catch the ball away from your body. Not necessarily the easiest things in the league to do. However, I guess it's easier to hate and make unfounded assumptions though.

JordanTaber
11-22-2011, 07:44 PM
If anyone could do what Welker does, they probably would do it, wouldn't they?

Other wide receivers are busy winning matchups on the outside. Calvin Johnson, for instance, runs down the field and dominates with his size and athleticism. The Lions could spread it out, put him in the slot, and have him catching 110 balls for 1100 yards per season, but that would be a waste of his talent.

There are dozens of receivers who can do what Welker does, they just don't play for teams that are so eager to throw it to the slot receiver. Eddie Royal can do everything Welker can do, for example. Put him in New England and he's catching 100 balls for 1,000 yards every year.

JordanTaber
11-22-2011, 07:50 PM
You're clearly not watching closely enough, the passes you described only makes up about 1/3 of Welker's game. He does most of his work on outs, whips, and drags which are routes that take a lot of short area quickness, ability to sell a route, and ability to catch the ball away from your body. Not necessarily the easiest things in the league to do. However, I guess it's easier to hate and make unfounded assumptions though.

Those little outs he runs are only successful against zone or a large amount of cushion, and any sort of drag or crossing pattern gets him matched up with linebackers.

Let me know when he beats a halfway respectable corner in man coverage.

OzTitan
11-22-2011, 07:52 PM
Welker has 74 catches for 1028 yards, not 100, and with 6 games to go. 13.9 YPC is not just some guy who stays underneath and gets taken down as soon as he catches it - whether it's downfield or YAC, he's still putting up a respectible "outside" WR average per catch.

AntoinCD
11-23-2011, 03:52 AM
Other wide receivers are busy winning matchups on the outside. Calvin Johnson, for instance, runs down the field and dominates with his size and athleticism. The Lions could spread it out, put him in the slot, and have him catching 110 balls for 1100 yards per season, but that would be a waste of his talent.

There are dozens of receivers who can do what Welker does, they just don't play for teams that are so eager to throw it to the slot receiver. Eddie Royal can do everything Welker can do, for example. Put him in New England and he's catching 100 balls for 1,000 yards every year.

I love your logic here. Dozens of WRs could have had 506 catches for over 5500 yards and 28 TDs in less than 5 years? As I mentioned in a previous post, production is the most important thing in the NFL, so why don't more teams do this?

Or are you clearly saying that so many other teams have such fantastic offensive systems that they can afford not to make a crappy WR into the focal point of the best offense in the league over that 5 year span?

If teams had a player like Welker then they would be using that player like the Patriots use Welker. The spread type offense is the en vogue offense in the NFL at the minute and the Patriots have been the top team at using it since 2007.

It is idiotic to say that they wouldn't use a player the same, or similar, to how the Pats use Welker. And no, Calvin Johnson couldn't do what what Welker does. He simply does not have the short area quickness or route running ability.

WCH
11-23-2011, 04:30 AM
Given Jordy's physical skill set, I think the Packers got a steal. Some credit has to go to the GB organization for recognizing his talent early and locking him up, which GB is known for doing. I don't think it is necessairly indicative of Jordy's worth though.
This is true. In hindsight, I think that if Jordy had waited for free agency, he could have signed a contract that matches or tops Sidney Rice's 5 year, $41 Million deal; but I don't think that was the case at the time. He's really stepped it up since he signed the extension. And good for him. Too often that's not the case.

I love your logic here. Dozens of WRs could have had 506 catches for over 5500 yards and 28 TDs in less than 5 years? As I mentioned in a previous post, production is the most important thing in the NFL, so why don't more teams do this?


Why don't more teams do this? They're being run by idiots. Honestly, the Patriots, Packers, and a few other teams are on the cutting edge of this whole "spread" thing. It almost took off in the early-90's with the Run-n-Shoot, but none of the teams put all of the pieces together (Atlanta had the WRs, Houston had the QB, Detroit had the RB) and none of them figured out how to scout for the system.

The primary reason that WRs don't get into the HoF is that the voters still think that this "passing" thing is a fad, and you have to "establish the run" to win football games. This flies in the face of a mountain of data showing that winning teams pass to establish a lead, and then run to burn minutes off the clock. The truth is that the 70's, not the 2000s, were the outlier. But today's coaches and GMs mostly grew up on 70's football.

So why don't more teams do the things that NE does with Welker? For the same reason that Miami wasn't smart enough to use Welker the way NE uses him: they're stupid.

That's not to say that anybody can do what Welker does. He's a good WR -- one of the best in the NFL. I think a guy like Greg Jennings could pretty clearly do what Welker does if that's how GB wanted to use him, but I'm not so sure that Welker could do what Jennings does. With that said, when you get into discussions of Welker vs. Jennings, you're obviously talking about elite WRs.

Sveen
11-24-2011, 05:02 PM
That's easy. Wes Walker. With Jordan coming in second.

BRAVEHEART
11-24-2011, 05:28 PM
Jordy Nelson is the most athletic white WR in the league by far. But the best, has to go Wes Welker (who I also think is overrated, almost anybody can look good in the Pats system).

Jakey
11-24-2011, 07:02 PM
It depends on what you look for in a receiver, if i was picking one for the Steelers i would pick Nelson, simply because we have plenty of quick, shifty players, but lack a big, strong outside guy.

If i was, say the Chargers, i would pick Welker. They have tons of size and strength, but no one to work underneath.

It all depends on what you look for. Its like picking between a ghetto booty and a pert teen ass...both have their advantages, just depends what tickles your pickle :)

JordanTaber
11-24-2011, 09:14 PM
Welker has 74 catches for 1028 yards, not 100, and with 6 games to go. 13.9 YPC is not just some guy who stays underneath and gets taken down as soon as he catches it - whether it's downfield or YAC, he's still putting up a respectible "outside" WR average per catch.

2006: 67-687 (10.3)
2007: 112-1175 (10.5)
2008: 111-1165 (10.5)
2009: 123-1348 (11.0)
2010: 86-848 (9.9)

This year's average is only being propped up by a couple of fluke plays against blown coverages. His average has plummeted since those beginning of the season flukes (as you would expect).

JordanTaber
11-24-2011, 09:18 PM
I love your logic here. Dozens of WRs could have had 506 catches for over 5500 yards and 28 TDs in less than 5 years? As I mentioned in a previous post, production is the most important thing in the NFL, so why don't more teams do this?

Or are you clearly saying that so many other teams have such fantastic offensive systems that they can afford not to make a crappy WR into the focal point of the best offense in the league over that 5 year span?

If teams had a player like Welker then they would be using that player like the Patriots use Welker. The spread type offense is the en vogue offense in the NFL at the minute and the Patriots have been the top team at using it since 2007.

It is idiotic to say that they wouldn't use a player the same, or similar, to how the Pats use Welker. And no, Calvin Johnson couldn't do what what Welker does. He simply does not have the short area quickness or route running ability.

Why weren't there 20 backs catching 87 balls each year like Derek Loville did in 1995?

Teams run different offensive systems. Throwing 110 underneath balls per year to the slot receiver isn't something that interests most teams. They'd rather actually make big plays in the passing game.

And the Patriots also have a quarterback who can run that kind of offense, which isn't automatic. The QB must have pocket presence and be able to make quick decisions and sight adjustments when operating out of the spread.

mellojello
11-24-2011, 11:07 PM
It all depends on what you look for. Its like picking between a ghetto booty and a pert teen ass...both have their advantages, just depends what tickles your pickle :)Nice analogy and I agree, there are different kinds of WR's. However, if you were starting a team, which WR would you choose? That's the criteria I used.

Breed
10-12-2013, 10:04 PM
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BallerT1215
10-13-2013, 06:07 AM
Jordy would be my vote today.

If it touches one of his fingers, he's catching that ball.

And that speed....

J-Mike88
10-13-2013, 08:05 AM
How do i add Brian Hartline to the poll?
He shouldn't get any votes as the TOP one, but he certainly could replace Stokely or the "white" Anthony Gonzalez who was never any good.

Amendola's pretty darn good too when not injured.....

#1- Jordy
#2- Welker
#3- Decker (very similar to Jordy)

What's Jimmy Graham?

RufusMcDaniel
10-13-2013, 08:45 AM
What's Jimmy Graham?

He's black....ish.

Also, a Tight End.

P-L
10-13-2013, 09:11 AM
Also, a Tight End.
Not really. He may be officially listed as a tight end, but he lines up as a wide receiver 75% of the time.

J-Mike88
10-13-2013, 12:14 PM
If you can ask this, then who's the best black QB?

Still ISO Doug Williams BTW.....