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RWills
11-22-2011, 09:23 AM
We got potentially 5-6 QB's with 1st-2nd round grades

We got potentially 8 teams that will need a QB

we got 2 FA that will command a starting job - Matt Flynn and Alex Smith

anyone want to take a stab.....Will Cleveland draft a QB and give up on McCoy? Will SF let Alex Smith walk? Will Elway find away to end the Tebow madness? Will any of the Juniors stay for their Sr year? match it up

Teams - Indy, Miami, Seattle, Cleveland, Denver, Kansas City, Washington, San Francisco

Rookies - Luck, Barkley, Griffin III, Jones, Tannenhill, Wilson

FA - Matt Flynn, Alex Smith

Shane P. Hallam
11-22-2011, 09:30 AM
Don't let SF lets go Alex Smith, and I'd bet on at least one (if not 2,) underclassmen QBs going back to school.

Other alternatives that haven't been mentioned:
-Brian Hoyer (Restricted Free Agent, could command a trade/signing)
-Caleb Hanie (how does he play? I believe he is a FA)

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 09:33 AM
Hanie will be a FA. So will Matt Flynn. If Hanie plays at least average, both of those guys could be interesting free agent pickups for teams in need of QBs.

SolidGold
11-22-2011, 09:36 AM
We got potentially 5-6 QB's with 1st-2nd round grades

We got potentially 8 teams that will need a QB

we got 2 FA that will command a starting job - Matt Flynn and Alex Smith

anyone want to take a stab.....Will Cleveland draft a QB and give up on McCoy? Will SF let Alex Smith walk? Will Elway find away to end the Tebow madness? Will any of the Juniors stay for their Sr year? match it up

Teams - Indy, Miami, Seattle, Cleveland, Denver, Kansas City, Washington, San Francisco

Rookies - Luck, Barkley, Griffin III, Jones, Tannenhill, Wilson

FA - Matt Flynn, Alex Smith

Alex Smith - Resigns with SF.
Matt Flynn - Signs with the Redskins (someone posted this and it makes alot of sense). Drafts Tannehill in the 2nd round.

Indy - gets Luck
Miami - Matt Moore plays well to finish the season and the Dolphins view him as their guy. They resign Henne as a backup.
Seattle - Draft Robert Griffin
Cleveland - Stick with McCoy and draft a true number one wideout
Denver - Draft Landry Jones
Kansas City - Sticks with Cassel

Matt Barkley returns to school.
Tyler Wilson returns to school.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 09:38 AM
The Dolphins passing on any of the top rookies for Moore would be a mistake on the level of extending Fitzpatrick for Buffalo.

I'm of the camp that you make the QB perform that way for no less than 2 season before making him unequivocally "your guy."

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 09:47 AM
Indy-Luck
Miami- RG3
Seattle-Flynn
Cleveland-Jones
Denver-Wilson
Kansas City-Barkley
Washington-Tannehill
San Francisco-Smith

bruschis4all
11-22-2011, 10:49 AM
I have qb's going 1-2-3 in the draft. Luck, Barkley and RG3. Manning as a free agent to the Redskins.

Indy - Luck
Miami - Trade up for Barkley
KC - Trade up for RG3
Cleve - Gets McCoy some weapons and waits a year.
Washington - Danny Boy gets Manning
Seattle - Draft Landry Jones.
SF - Keeps Alex Smith
Arizona - Keeps Kevin Kolb
Denver - No idea what's going on out there

Want to see how Philly's season ends. They can't be happy with Vick's performance. If Manning hits free agency, they've got to be interested. If they absolutely tank and go 6-10. They could move up for one of the qb's. I don't think they will tank and stick with Mike Vick. But, let's see how it plays out.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 10:51 AM
Barkley returns to school. He can be the #1 pick next year and possibly win a NC after the ban is lifted.

The Browns try to give McCoy some help on offense before they give up on him.

The Dolphins should pick a guy, however they may go second round and have them compete with Moore to at least give the guy a chance, could be a mistake.

RG3 ends up in Washington, Shany makes it happen.

KC goes second round, again to have them compete with Cassel and at least give him a chance to keep his job

Denver is playing them selves out of contention for a QB and will most likely go elsewhere in the draft much to Elway's chagrin.

Seattle will be targeting one in the first round

We know what the Colts are doing even if I think that they shouldn't

San Fran doesn't get rid of Alex Smith, maybe trades back into the top half of round 2 to get a guy waiting in the wings should Smith regress.

TACKLE
11-22-2011, 10:53 AM
San Fran doesn't get rid of Alex Smith, maybe trades back into the top half of round 2 to get a guy waiting in the wings should Smith regress.

You mean a guy like Colin Kaepernick?

vidae
11-22-2011, 10:55 AM
Cassel had a chance to keep his job. It was the 2011 season. He lost it. Now we need to replace him and I like the people that said we'd get Barkley or trade up for RG3. I'm all for both of those happening!

And I hope to god we don't sign Matt Flynn. Ugh no no no.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 10:57 AM
You mean a guy like Colin Kaepernick?

wow completely forgot about him. you right sir

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 10:59 AM
Cassel had a chance to keep his job. It was the 2011 season. He lost it. Now we need to replace him and I like the people that said we'd get Barkley or trade up for RG3. I'm all for both of those happening!

And I hope to god we don't sign Matt Flynn. Ugh no no no.

But your injuries...zzz. I think that they give him at least one more season with everyone back

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 11:02 AM
McCoy is getting too much of a pass. If one of the top prospects is available at Cleveland's first round pick, they should not hesitate to select him.

It's not like McCoy has immense physical tools but is just raw and inexperienced...he was supposed to be accurate and pro ready, with a high floor but low ceiling.

He isn't even displaying the things that he supposedly has. People like to look at QB situations and say "If only he had some talent around him..." So what if he has talent around him? He's still never going to be the elite QB that Luck, Griffin, Barkley or possibly even Jones could be.

Then again, I'm a QB elitist. Have franchise tools or GTFO. As difficult as it can be to find a franchise QB, it's still easier than building the HoF defense you need to win a Superbowl without one.

vidae
11-22-2011, 11:05 AM
But your injuries...zzz. I think that they give him at least one more season with everyone back

He can't go through his progressions. He locks onto one receiver and stares them down. He has average (at best) arm strength. He has horrible pocket awareness. He doesn't keep his feet moving. He's bad. One more year wouldn't do any good to anyone, especially when we're likely to have a top 5 pick and can grab a franchise guy right there.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 11:06 AM
Cassel also has a large guarantee of something like $5 million this offseason. The Chiefs could very easily cut him before paying that.

vidae
11-22-2011, 11:08 AM
I'd love to restructure Cassel and keep him as a backup. As a backup he is more than adequate. He can come in if the starter goes down and not LOSE you games, but he will never win you a game with his arm. That is the main problem.

He is a tough guy, very smart, and he's a leader in that locker room. I'd love to keep him if it's possible, just not as the starter. Or hell, I'd let him start if they draft a top QB so he could sit and learn the offense for a bit.

Cassel has his uses, but starting QB isn't one of them.

jth1331
11-22-2011, 11:15 AM
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Wilson, Barkley and Jones all return. I think Jones stock has gone down a little since OU's faltered of late. I would say he was a borderline top 10 QB prospect, but now I don't know. He still has a lot of weapons to work with next year even with losing Broyles.

I also don't know where Griffin will go. I have a hard time believing someone will draft him top 5 like some people on here are thinking.

Indy - Luck, obviously
Miami - I think they are going to stick with Moore for another season, and are in no position to take a QB
Seattle - they take Griffin
Cleveland - stuck with McCoy
Denver - they ride out with Tebow
Kansas City - Cassell gets another year due to da injuriezzz
Washington - rolls the dice on Tannehil
San Fran - resigns Alex Smith

I'm really not big on Flynn, and lol at mentioning Hanie and Hoyer.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 11:17 AM
I'm really not big on Flynn, and lol at mentioning Hanie and Hoyer.

Not any worse than Kevin Kolb or Tarvaris Jackson who both got starting jobs last offseason. At least we don't know if they are yet.

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 11:19 AM
Kolb has been terrible, Zona may be looking at QBs

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 11:20 AM
Kolb has been terrible, Zona may be looking at QBs

Not after what they gave up and paid him. Whisenhunt has staked his tenure on Kevin Kolb. They'll live or die (most likely die) with Kolb at QB.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 11:23 AM
He can't go through his progressions. He locks onto one receiver and stares them down. He has average (at best) arm strength. He has horrible pocket awareness. He doesn't keep his feet moving. He's bad. One more year wouldn't do any good to anyone, especially when we're likely to have a top 5 pick and can grab a franchise guy right there.

I'm not trying to defend him as a good QB, I don't think he is that bad but he certainly isn't elite. RGIII could be that guy, you probably don't have a shot at Luck and I think that Barkley heads back to school. So you may not have a shot at "that guy" (the guy who could be elite).

Meanwhile, before Cassel went down, there was talk of you winning your division despite the injuries.

I don't think he is your guy, but for what might be lack of a better option where your picking in round one, you might be able to get a guy like Tannehill in round 2 and have him compete with Cassel for the starting job in training camp.

fear the elf
11-22-2011, 11:44 AM
McCoy is getting too much of a pass. If one of the top prospects is available at Cleveland's first round pick, they should not hesitate to select him.

It's not like McCoy has immense physical tools but is just raw and inexperienced...he was supposed to be accurate and pro ready, with a high floor but low ceiling.

He isn't even displaying the things that he supposedly has. People like to look at QB situations and say "If only he had some talent around him..." So what if he has talent around him? He's still never going to be the elite QB that Luck, Griffin, Barkley or possibly even Jones could be.

Then again, I'm a QB elitist. Have franchise tools or GTFO. As difficult as it can be to find a franchise QB, it's still easier than building the HoF defense you need to win a Superbowl without one.

You might be right, but he's also improved compared to how poorly he played at the beginning of the season. The last two games (albeit one against a poor pass defense) he's thrown better than 70% completion and 8 ypa, and better than 60% in the last four games.

The offense is also using more shotgun formations to protect him, since the line can't give him any time. So (hopefully) we are starting to cater to what works. The real test is still coming with 5 divisional games in the last 6 weeks...if he continues to make strides through that stretch, I'm inclined to give him another season with explosive weapons.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 11:52 AM
I honestly just don't see all the quality Qb's everyone thinks are gunna be available in the top of round one all coming out, it's not in their best interest.

QB's who probably come out that are worth a top of round 1 pick:
Luck (obviously)
RG3 (has his degree)
Jones (won't want to be over analyzed by staying)

guys like Tannehill will be available late 1st early 2nd so teams that miss out may try to trade up out of their 2nd round and into the late first in order to snatch him up

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 11:56 AM
I think Jones comes out. He already holds most of the school's passing records and he isn't going to get any closer to a national title with "Big Game Bob" at Head Coach. And if he's taken out in the red zone for Bell, it won't do him any Heisman favors.

I personally don't like him that much as he reminds me a bit of Blaine Gabbert, but some team will see the franchise tools he has and take a shot in the top 10.

Luck could give all the draft fans the middle finger again by staying, but I think his best chance to win a title/Heisman was this year. He should come out.

Griffin should as well. I can't imagine his stock getting any higher than it is right now. Another should-be top 10 pick.

Tannehill, who I'm not a big fan of as a high first rounder, should still work out well and get into the first round mix, even if he's not a top 10 prospect.

Barkely really has the best case and biggest reason to stay. Even without him, there could still be 3-4 first round quality QBs.

villagewarrior
11-22-2011, 12:02 PM
I'm hoping the Chiefs are in a position to draft RG3. Barkley I think goes back to school to compete for a championship, they have to have a young team so they won't really be losing anyone, you have to like their odds.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 12:02 PM
I think Jones comes out. He already holds most of the school's passing records and he isn't going to get any closer to a national title with "Big Game Bob" at Head Coach. And if he's taken out in the red zone for Bell, it won't do him any Heisman favors.

I personally don't like him that much as he reminds me a bit of Blaine Gabbert, but some team will see the franchise tools he has and take a shot in the top 10.

Exactly, if he stays another year he runs a major risk of losing draft stock due to being over analyzed


Luck could give all the draft fans the middle finger again by staying, but I think his best chance to win a title/Heisman was this year. He should come out.

Yea I really don't see him staying


Griffin should as well. I can't imagine his stock getting any higher than it is right now. Another should-be top 10 pick.

Already has his degree and won't benefit from another year in college.

Tannehill, who I'm not a big fan of as a high first rounder, should still work out well and get into the first round mix, even if he's not a top 10 prospect.
A team will trade up into the bottom of round one to grab him that missed out at the top of round 1


Barkely really has the best case and biggest reason to stay. Even without him, there could still be 3-4 first round quality QBs.

Dude goes #1 next year

your looking at 2-3 prospects that will be going in the top of round one.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 12:06 PM
2-3 is still more than most years as Luck, Griffin and Jones all have franchise QB tools in the very least.

Additionally, last year was a freak year. Every single QB prospect was had some kind of horrific flaws (Newton, Locker, Gabbert) or was overdrafted by at least a round (Ponder.)

I would take any of the three guys mentioned for this year, plus Barkley, over any of the guys from last year as prospects.

Yes Newton has been a "supastar" and Dalton has been a winner...99.9999% of people could not have seen that coming.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 12:17 PM
2-3 is still more than most years as Luck, Griffin and Jones all have franchise QB tools in the very least.

Additionally, last year was a freak year. Every single QB prospect was had some kind of horrific flaws (Newton, Locker, Gabbert) or was overdrafted by at least a round (Ponder.)

I would take any of the three guys mentioned for this year, plus Barkley, over any of the guys from last year as prospects.

Yes Newton has been a "supastar" and Dalton has been a winner...99.9999% of people could not have seen that coming.

Right, but just like last year not everyone who needed a QB got one.

Some teams like the Chiefs or the Dolphins who have seemingly serviceable starters might end up walking away from their first overall pick with someone other than a QB because taking a reach on guys at the pick wouldn't be worth it and its not like they don't have other glaring holes.

vidae
11-22-2011, 12:18 PM
This might be the homer in me, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but any QB the Chiefs bring in is coming into a GREAT situation.

Bowe, Breason, Baldwin and McCluster as your WR group, Moeaki at TE, Jamaal Charles (if healthy) as your RB, and an above average offensive line. Top 5 QBs have definitely come into WORSE situations.

We do need a new offensive coordinator though. That part is huge.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 12:21 PM
This might be the homer in me, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but any QB the Chiefs bring in is coming into a GREAT situation.

Bowe, Breason, Baldwin and McCluster, Moeaki as your wideouts, Jamaal Charles (if healthy) as your RB, and an above average offensive line. Top 5 QBs have definitely come into WORSE situations.

We do need a new offensive coordinator though. That part is huge.

Without question, it was quite possible for you guys to take the division this year. Improved QB play would undoubtedly help.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 12:21 PM
This might be the homer in me, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but any QB the Chiefs bring in is coming into a GREAT situation.

Bowe, Breason, Baldwin and McCluster as your WR group, Moeaki at TE, Jamaal Charles (if healthy) as your RB, and an above average offensive line. Top 5 QBs have definitely come into WORSE situations.

We do need a new offensive coordinator though. That part is huge.

Do you really want to come into a coach on the hot seat though? We've seen before what can happen there.

If Haley survives this year, he will without a doubt be on the hot seat next year. Taking a first round pick rookie QB may mean that rookie ends up on the field sooner than expected as that coach tries to save his job. That QB could easily become an Alex Smith or Matt Leinart, where the coach that drafted them is shown the door right away and the new coaching staff never totally warms up to him.

vidae
11-22-2011, 12:23 PM
Oh, I was under the assumption that Pioli had fired Haley. If we're picking top 5 it means we lost our remaining games and ended the season 4-12, which is a possibility at this point. If that happens I don't see a way that Haley keeps his job.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 12:25 PM
Oh, I was under the assumption that Pioli had fired Haley. If we're picking top 5 it means we lost our remaining games and ended the season 4-12, which is a possibility at this point. If that happens I don't see a way that Haley keeps his job.

You know what that would mean...

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vidae
11-22-2011, 12:30 PM
I hate you! Also, where are the AFC draft grades?!

Shane P. Hallam
11-22-2011, 12:40 PM
Already has his degree and won't benefit from another year in college.


If Griffin returns, he has already been accepted into law school, so yes, he could.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 12:47 PM
If Griffin returns, he has already been accepted into law school, so yes, he could.

I was referring to not benefiting form playing in college, he's hot right now and probably won't improve that much by staying.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 12:51 PM
People like to laud prospects for choosing education over football but seriously, enter the NFL while you're young and a hot prospect. He can retire a multi-millionaire in his 30s with even marginal NFL success and then do law school if that's what he wants.

bucfan12
11-22-2011, 01:04 PM
People like to laud prospects for choosing education over football but seriously, enter the NFL while you're young and a hot prospect. He can retire a multi-millionaire in his 30s with even marginal NFL success and then do law school if that's what he wants.

Isn;t that what Steve Young did? He went to law school, yet he 's now an analyst at ESPN. Go figure.

Babylon
11-22-2011, 01:15 PM
Indy-Luck
Miami- RG3
Seattle-Flynn
Cleveland-Jones
Denver-Wilson
Kansas City-Barkley
Washington-Tannehill
San Francisco-Smith

Seattle passed on Carson Palmer and Kevin Kolb, my guess is they'd have no interest in Flynn. Someone like Tannehill would probably be of interest where they should be drafting.

Sloopy
11-22-2011, 01:16 PM
Yea I mean, the Idea of having something to fall back on is good, but if you have marginal success and your smart with your money, you could live off it and do some part time stuff like local radio or any # of other things to supplement your acquired wealth.

If your good you can get a cushy job at ESPN or something similar making 6 figures for doing pretty much nothing.

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 01:16 PM
Keenum is going to surprise people

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 01:23 PM
Keenum is going to surprise people

Injury history, slightly below average size, average at best arm strength, coming out of a very pass wacky system.....no thanks.

At best he could become another Kevin Kolb. I see someone more like Colt Brennan though.

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 01:26 PM
Injury history, slightly below average size, average at best arm strength, coming out of a very pass wacky system.....no thanks.

At best he could become another Kevin Kolb. I see someone more like Colt Brennan though.

Living in Houston and seeing him play often I can tell you he is much better than Kolb. They arent really comparable actually, I guess you compare them because they went to same school? Totally different QBs in totally different systems.

SolidGold
11-22-2011, 01:30 PM
People like to laud prospects for choosing education over football but seriously, enter the NFL while you're young and a hot prospect. He can retire a multi-millionaire in his 30s with even marginal NFL success and then do law school if that's what he wants.

I am hoping that Barkley decides to come out after this year, this group of QBs as prospects would be head and shoulders above last years group. He does have non-monetary incentive to go back to school - get his degree, compete for a BCS bid/ possible NC and be a Heisman favorite (not sure why he isn't in the convo this year).

The early "success" of the rookie QBs this year might also sway those who are having doubts. Last year's draft illustrated how QB needy franchises are and guys were overdrafted.

Laugh if you want but I forgot about Hoyer, I think teams will look at him as a viable RFA option . Teams will like his Patriot pedigree and the fact he was groomed behind Brady. Both Hoyer and Flynn are going to help mold the pre-draft landscape.

Shane P. Hallam
11-22-2011, 01:34 PM
Living in Houston and seeing him play often I can tell you he is much better than Kolb. They arent really comparable actually, I guess you compare them because they went to same school? Totally different QBs in totally different systems.

Kolb is too good a comparison. Keenum is like a rich man's Graham Harrell.

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 01:44 PM
Kolb is too good a comparison. Keenum is like a rich man's Graham Harrell.

Keenum reminds me more of Drew Brees than he does of Harrell, Kingsbury, Kolb, or BJ Symons.

BeerBaron
11-22-2011, 01:45 PM
Living in Houston and seeing him play often I can tell you he is much better than Kolb. They arent really comparable actually, I guess you compare them because they went to same school? Totally different QBs in totally different systems.

No, I compared them because of the reasons listed above. And you'll note that I said AT BEST he's Kolb. He's not even that good.

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 01:48 PM
No, I compared them because of the reasons listed above. And you'll note that I said AT BEST he's Kolb. He's not even that good.

Why is Kolb better in your eyes? Because hes 6'3 versus 6'2? Because he may have a SLIGHTLY stronger arm (albeit much less accurate). Just curious, I have seen both guys play a lot, and I don't even consider it to be close, Keenum is just a lot better.

Injury history? The ACL? Didn't RG3 have the same injury?

Jack203
11-22-2011, 02:03 PM
I think Arizona and Jacksonsville will be interested in a QB too. I could see Jax taking someone like Tannehill in the 2nd round. If Blaine Gabbert is still playing poorly by week 5 or 6 being benched.

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 02:06 PM
Tannehill is a better receiver than he is QB.

princefielder28
11-22-2011, 02:15 PM
I think Arizona and Jacksonsville will be interested in a QB too. I could see Jax taking someone like Tannehill in the 2nd round. If Blaine Gabbert is still playing poorly by week 5 or 6 being benched.

no way will either Arizona or Jacksonville be interested in a QB early on...they both invested high picks in the position this past off-season and any front office is too proud to admit they were wrong after just 16 games

Punisher
11-22-2011, 02:15 PM
Tannehill is a better receiver than he is QB.

Are you saying this because he projects better at WR or he is not an NFL QB?

Spaceboy1
11-22-2011, 02:16 PM
Are you saying this because he projects better at WR or he is not an NFL QB?

I am posting just purely on watching him play at the collegiate level. I don't think he has what it takes to be an NFL QB but has the potential to be a Kevin Walters type at receiver.

keylime_5
11-22-2011, 03:00 PM
a lot depends on two things:

-the draft order
-which underclassmen declare.

If Luck, Barkley, Jones, Griffin, and Tannehill are all a part of this draft class we could see 5 QBs in round one. There will be at least 4 in that scenario.

Indy I think takes Luck as a given. They will have the top pick, Luck will declare, no one will meet the asking price in a trade for the pick, and the Colts are willing to take him without question.

I don't think Denver will be picking in the top ten. That means they probably don't get a shot at one of the top QBs. I think they build that defense this year and either go with Tebow in the meantime or try to bring in a guy like Flynn or Hoying or they take a QB to develop in the 2nd/3rd round. I think they could stand having Tebow and Brady Quinn for another season.

If a top QB falls to Miami, Seattle, Washington, or Cleveland I don't think they pass them up. I think Jones, Griffin, and Barkley if he declares ends up on one of those teams. They should all be picking in the top 10 or top 12, and they all need a franchise QB, and only one at best can sign Matt Flynn.

I don't think the Chiefs take a QB considering the money they have tied into Cassel and the fact that Cassel has played well for them in past seasons and when he was healthy. I don't think Pioli is gonna give up on him so quickly.

Arizona is interesting b/c they put so much stock into Kolb. Kolb has been crap this year though and if they say that Kolb is not the answer and they made a mistake, and if they have a QB available that they absolutely love, it could be an interesting decision to be made whether to ditch Kolb. I doubt it happens, but it will be controversial either way if they take a QB or if they pass on one that ends up being a star.

vidae
11-22-2011, 03:23 PM
I don't think the Chiefs take a QB considering the money they have tied into Cassel and the fact that Cassel has played well for them in past seasons and when he was healthy. I don't think Pioli is gonna give up on him so quickly.

Next year will be his fourth year in KC and he hasn't proven anything except he can beat bad defenses. And there is little money tied to him anymore. He was paid the bulk of his contract already.

The Matt Cassel era in KC needs to end. It was okay while it lasted, but we're not going anywhere with him.

RWills
11-22-2011, 04:31 PM
Next year will be his fourth year in KC and he hasn't proven anything except he can beat bad defenses. And there is little money tied to him anymore. He was paid the bulk of his contract already.

The Matt Cassel era in KC needs to end. It was okay while it lasted, but we're not going anywhere with him.

Which is why I think he will be back because he would get the same money to be a back up anywhere else. 5m a year

Even if they draft a QB in rd 1 you would still see Cassell as the starting QB, I think he would be a good mentor for a young QB since he learned from Brady, BB and Weiss.

Jack203
11-22-2011, 06:50 PM
no way will either Arizona or Jacksonville be interested in a QB early on...they both invested high picks in the position this past off-season and any front office is too proud to admit they were wrong after just 16 games

We'll see. 16 games is an eternity in the NFL. Kolb and Gabbert will start 2012, but if they stink come November, don't be surprised if they get pulled.

RaiderNation
11-22-2011, 09:03 PM
Not all 5 of the top QB prospects will declare, but I expect the draft to be exciting with so many potential QB needy teams. Also Tannehill is a legit late 1st/early 2nd option for the team(s) that miss out of the 1st round guys. Here is how I rank them...

1 Andrew Luck QB Stanford*
2 Matt Barkley QB USC*
3 Robert Griffin III QB Baylor*
4 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas*
5 Landry Jones QB Oklahoma*
6 Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M

soybean
11-24-2011, 01:19 AM
I think Barkley should stay because though he got better over the season there were games where he looked less than a future nfl qb.

Another year of seasoning I think would do him wonders.

SF Dolphin Fan
11-24-2011, 09:27 AM
If any team meets the asking price for Andrew Luck it could be the Dolphins. They have an owner that wants to make a big splash and bring fans back to the stadium. I don't see the Dolphins sticking with Matt Moore, although he could be a "bridge" starter much like Alex Smith is to Colin Kaepernick in San Francisco. If Miami can't trade up, Landry Jones or Ryan Tannehill are first round possibilities. I expect Tannehill to go much higher than expected much like Christian Ponder did a year ago.

stl705
11-27-2011, 07:04 PM
Phins give up 2 1st rd,3rd round and next years 4th n 6th for #1, 5th rd, 7th rd and next years 5th?
New stadium... new franchise qb... phins fans need another qb after the stache of marino.. I would like to see management finally pony up n gets him... its clear the fans want him.. wouldn't surprise me if they hold for rg3.

I think luck will go number one and barkley is picked shortly after (3-6 range)... RG3 probably round 11 or so and the a group of players: keenum, Wilson, tannehill, Jones (in that order is my prediction at this moment... I could see Wilson staying and goin for a top pick next yr... luck and barkley are good as gone. Last sc game sealed it.

Personally im not sold on landry, he just doesn't seem to have the it factor or takeover a game or take control his team. I culd b wrong but well see.

Spaceboy1
11-27-2011, 09:27 PM
Phins give up 2 1st rd,3rd round and next years 4th n 6th for #1, 5th rd, 7th rd and next years 5th?
New stadium... new franchise qb... phins fans need another qb after the stache of marino.. I would like to see management finally pony up n gets him... its clear the fans want him.. wouldn't surprise me if they hold for rg3.

I think luck will go number one and barkley is picked shortly after (3-6 range)... RG3 probably round 11 or so and the a group of players: keenum, Wilson, tannehill, Jones (in that order is my prediction at this moment... I could see Wilson staying and goin for a top pick next yr... luck and barkley are good as gone. Last sc game sealed it.

Personally im not sold on landry, he just doesn't seem to have the it factor or takeover a game or take control his team. I culd b wrong but well see.

Keenum 4th QB taken?

stl705
11-27-2011, 10:35 PM
I think if one of wilson or tannehill stays keenum might be 4th or 5th. I think he will be drafted mid to late 2nd rd... Jones is my bust prediction. I could b wrong, he just hasn't caught my eye like barkley, luck, griffin.

Keenum is my personal 5th fav qb prospect.. ahead of tannehill and Jones.

Iamcanadian
11-27-2011, 10:59 PM
He can't go through his progressions. He locks onto one receiver and stares them down. He has average (at best) arm strength. He has horrible pocket awareness. He doesn't keep his feet moving. He's bad. One more year wouldn't do any good to anyone, especially when we're likely to have a top 5 pick and can grab a franchise guy right there.

Well, you may not like what you see but I suspect KC will go with him next year. With a healthy Charles, he brought home 10 wins a year ago and the team around him should be a lot better next year. I see no way KC commits to a rookie QB at this stage.
You are just going to have to suck it up for at least another year.

Iamcanadian
11-27-2011, 11:06 PM
Phins give up 2 1st rd,3rd round and next years 4th n 6th for #1, 5th rd, 7th rd and next years 5th?
New stadium... new franchise qb... phins fans need another qb after the stache of marino.. I would like to see management finally pony up n gets him... its clear the fans want him.. wouldn't surprise me if they hold for rg3.

I think luck will go number one and barkley is picked shortly after (3-6 range)... RG3 probably round 11 or so and the a group of players: keenum, Wilson, tannehill, Jones (in that order is my prediction at this moment... I could see Wilson staying and goin for a top pick next yr... luck and barkley are good as gone. Last sc game sealed it.

Personally im not sold on landry, he just doesn't seem to have the it factor or takeover a game or take control his team. I culd b wrong but well see.

The trouble with assessing Jones is that his HC has a history of folding in big games, when he has to face an equally talented team that actually has a good HC. Sometimes, the failure of a HC eventually becomes the character of his team, something like Rivers is feeling in San Diego.
I need to see Jones in the post season when Stoops isn't involved so I can get a better read on his talent level. He may actually be a better pro than a collegian when he lands with a solid NFL HC.

Iamcanadian
11-27-2011, 11:10 PM
I'm not a Keenum lover. His mechanics won't cut it at the next level. He is simply a product of his HC's offensive system and I suspect he won't have much of a pro career.

Iamcanadian
11-27-2011, 11:20 PM
I think Barkley should stay because though he got better over the season there were games where he looked less than a future nfl qb.

Another year of seasoning I think would do him wonders.

He may stay because he is from a well off family but that would only indicate to me and many GM's, that he may not have the mental toughness to be a franchise QB but prefers the easy life on campus a la Matt Leinart.
Right now, he is going #2 in the draft and if he is serious about pro ball, he'll declare for this year's draft.

jth1331
11-28-2011, 09:07 AM
The trouble with assessing Jones is that his HC has a history of folding in big games, when he has to face an equally talented team that actually has a good HC. Sometimes, the failure of a HC eventually becomes the character of his team, something like Rivers is feeling in San Diego.
I need to see Jones in the post season when Stoops isn't involved so I can get a better read on his talent level. He may actually be a better pro than a collegian when he lands with a solid NFL HC.

Draft him with a solid team to be the backup for a few years, bring him along slowly coaching him up and I think he could do real well in the NFL.

onejayhawk
11-28-2011, 09:27 AM
Cassel also has a large guarantee of something like $5 million this offseason. The Chiefs could very easily cut him before paying that.

Especially if they can re-sign Orton. They have Stanzi in house. Where his progress sits is an open question. I could easily see the Chiefs taking the best QB on their board in round 1. I can also see them waiting til day 3 for someone like Weedon or Cousins.

J

jrdrylie
11-28-2011, 10:30 AM
no way will either Arizona or Jacksonville be interested in a QB early on...they both invested high picks in the position this past off-season and any front office is too proud to admit they were wrong after just 16 games

Jack Del Rio is almost guaranteed to be fired at the end of this season. After watching how terrible Blaine Gabbert has been this season (maybe as bad as Jimmy Clausen last year), a new coach may be tempted to pick a QB high.

TheSlinger
11-28-2011, 02:22 PM
Jack Del Rio is almost guaranteed to be fired at the end of this season. After watching how terrible Blaine Gabbert has been this season (maybe as bad as Jimmy Clausen last year), a new coach may be tempted to pick a QB high.

Agreed that JDR is going to be fired.

Agreed that Blaine has been terrible - although to be fair it's not all his fault. He has terrible coaching, an atrocious supporting cast, no off-season and he wasn't even supposed to start this year but Garrard and McCown dropped the ball so to speak. Nobody is talking bad about Locker and Kaepernick right now.

As for the new coach, he's not going to be making the picks. GM Gene has full control over the draft now. The Jags could still definitely look at a QB though. Gene has always claimed to be a BAP purist and those around the team say it's true, so we'll see.

On a historical note, in 2003, when GM Gene was the director of college scouting and Shack Harris was GM, the Jags took Byron Leftwich. In 2004, Ben Roethlisberger was the top player on their board, but Byron was Shack's guy and Shack wanted to give him all the weapons he could so they took Reggie Williams instead. History repeating itself?

Iamcanadian
11-28-2011, 02:35 PM
Draft him with a solid team to be the backup for a few years, bring him along slowly coaching him up and I think he could do real well in the NFL.

He is likely going pretty high in round 1 and will have to start no later than the 8th game of his rookie year, probably a lot earlier, so you can forget him sitting behind somebody for a few years, just isn't going to happen.

jrdrylie
11-28-2011, 02:46 PM
As for the new coach, he's not going to be making the picks. GM Gene has full control over the draft now. The Jags could still definitely look at a QB though. Gene has always claimed to be a BAP purist and those around the team say it's true, so we'll see.

On a historical note, in 2003, when GM Gene was the director of college scouting and Shack Harris was GM, the Jags took Byron Leftwich. In 2004, Ben Roethlisberger was the top player on their board, but Byron was Shack's guy and Shack wanted to give him all the weapons he could so they took Reggie Williams instead. History repeating itself?

I wouldn't be so sure Gene Smith will be coming back. In his three seasons, he has gone 7-9, 8-8, and now probably 5-10, maybe 6-10 this year. His picks have been nothing to write home about.

2009:Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton have been okay. Terrance Knighton has been good. Derek Cox has been inconsistent, Mike Thomas has been okay, and nothing else of substance came from that draft.
2010: Tyson Alualu has been good but was over-drafted. Nobody else from that draft has made an impact.
2011: Blaine Gabbert has been terrible. Rackley has been pretty good. Nobody else has done anything.

I'm not positive he'll be gone. But he is not the genius that many Jacksonville fans make him out to be (and as a Jacksonville I hear this a lot). He has yet to draft a single impact player. He has drafted two good defensive tackles and three mediocre offensive linemen in three seasons and has not signed any impact free agents. If Wayne Weaver decides to get rid of Del Rio, he might as well get rid of Gene Smith too.

RWills
12-02-2011, 04:03 PM
I wouldn't be so sure Gene Smith will be coming back. In his three seasons, he has gone 7-9, 8-8, and now probably 5-10, maybe 6-10 this year. His picks have been nothing to write home about.

2009:Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton have been okay. Terrance Knighton has been good. Derek Cox has been inconsistent, Mike Thomas has been okay, and nothing else of substance came from that draft.
2010: Tyson Alualu has been good but was over-drafted. Nobody else from that draft has made an impact.
2011: Blaine Gabbert has been terrible. Rackley has been pretty good. Nobody else has done anything.

I'm not positive he'll be gone. But he is not the genius that many Jacksonville fans make him out to be (and as a Jacksonville I hear this a lot). He has yet to draft a single impact player. He has drafted two good defensive tackles and three mediocre offensive linemen in three seasons and has not signed any impact free agents. If Wayne Weaver decides to get rid of Del Rio, he might as well get rid of Gene Smith too.

Looks like he is staying and Gabbert's will have another shot....If he was axed I would think the new people would/could draft another QB...I dont think Gabbert will ever be good in the NFL. No poise, No Pocket Awareness, you can read his body language, and not that accurate

RWills
12-02-2011, 04:15 PM
Another vet QB that can and will affect the draft other than Matt Flynn is Josh Johnson.

OT - not a QB but I think everyone has that gut feeling will leave Philly in FA....Where he signs can change the first round and you can add WR to go with LB and OT to first round possibilities. Reggie Wayne should also be available as well

Any ideas where he can go ???

Not a Patriot player and Gene Smith will not sign him in Jax, cross out the Jets and St Louis for teams that need a WR as well....Washington ? Minnesota ? Chicago ? Tampa Bay ?