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GaMeTiMe
11-26-2011, 05:09 PM
I'm interested to see how these lists differ. Seems to be a nice class at the top, but gets very murky in the 6-10 range.

1) Matt Kalil
2) Jonathan Martin
3) David DeCastro
4) Peter Konz
5) Riley Reiff
6) Michael Brewster
7) DJ Fluker
8) Kelechi Osemele
9) Mike Adams
10) Cordy Glenn

TheSlinger
11-26-2011, 05:19 PM
Something like this.

1. OT Matt Kalil - USC
2. OT Riley Reiff - Iowa
3. OG David DeCastro - Stanford
4. C Peter Konz - Wisconsin
5. OT Jonathan Martin - Stanford
6. OT Mike Adams - Ohio State
7. C Mike Brewster - Ohio State
8. OT Ricky Wagner - Wisconsin
9. OT Zebrie Sanders - Florida State
10. OG Cordy Glenn - Georgia

Just missed: DJ Fluker, Senio Kelemete, Kelechi Osemele

Matthew Jones
11-26-2011, 05:20 PM
Roughly:

1. OT Matt Kalil, Southern California* (1)

2. OG David DeCastro, Stanford*

3. OT Jonathan Martin, Stanford*

4. C Peter Konz, Wisconsin*

5. OT Riley Reiff, Iowa*

6. OT Mike Adams, Ohio St.

7. OT Ricky Wagner, Wisconsin*

8. OG Cordy Glenn, Georgia (1-2)

9. OT D.J. Fluker, Alabama**

10. OT Zebrie Sanders, Florida St. (2)

Matthew Jones
11-26-2011, 05:24 PM
I'd also like to say I'm surprised at how high people have Michael Brewster on here. I'm probably going to be slapping him with a third-round grade when it's all said and done barring something unforeseen. Doesn't consistently finish blocks or show a mean streak and he's an awful shotgun snapper.

DeepThreat
11-26-2011, 05:32 PM
1. Matt Kalil
2. David DeCastro
3. Mike Adams
4. Riley Reiff
5. Jonathan Martin
6. Peter Konz
7. Kelechi Osemele
8. Zebrie Sanders
9. Ricky Wagner
10. D.J. Fluker

Matthew Jones
11-26-2011, 05:35 PM
Another note: I don't think Peter Konz or Ricky Wagner will declare for the draft. D.J. Fluker and Barrett Jones should return for another year as well.

princefielder28
11-26-2011, 05:37 PM
1. Matt Kalil : USC
2. David DeCastro : Stanford
3. Riley Reiff : Iowa
4. Jonathan Martin : Stanford
5. Peter Konz : Wisconsin
6. Mike Adams : Ohio State
7. Kevin Zeitler : Wisconsin
8. Kelechi Osemele : Iowa State
9. Matt McCants : UAB
10. Michael Brewster : Ohio State

princefielder28
11-26-2011, 05:40 PM
Another note: I don't think Peter Konz or Ricky Wagner will declare for the draft. D.J. Fluker and Barrett Jones should return for another year as well.

Ricky Wagner should stay put. He's a solid player at left tackle for the Badgers but not nearly as good as Carimi and another year of starting would do him wonders.

TheSlinger
11-26-2011, 05:52 PM
I'd also like to say I'm surprised at how high people have Michael Brewster on here. I'm probably going to be slapping him with a third-round grade when it's all said and done barring something unforeseen. Doesn't consistently finish blocks or show a mean streak and he's an awful shotgun snapper.

Personally he reminds me of Wisniewski last year. Doesn't have the raw power to get DTs on skates one on one but he's a good pass blocker, good open field blocker and rarely outright misses blocks.

As for shotgun snaps, that's easily teachable; the same was said of Pouncey last year and I believe he's been fine with Miami (haven't seen them play though).

Matthew Jones
11-26-2011, 05:58 PM
Personally he reminds me of Wisniewski last year. Doesn't have the raw power to get DTs on skates one on one but he's a good pass blocker, good open field blocker and rarely outright misses blocks.

As for shotgun snaps, that's easily teachable; the same was said of Pouncey last year and I believe he's been fine with Miami (haven't seen them play though).

Wisniewski was much more stout and aggressive than Brewster is. Brewster is more of a wall-off blocker, whereas Wisniewski had a killer instinct and wanted to drive opponents into the dirt.

I'm always hesitant to make evaluations based on expected changes; if it is so easy to teach shotgun snapping technique, why hasn't Brewster learned how to snap properly yet? The most accurate way of making future predictions is based on what you've seen in the past, not projections of what someone could possibly do.

GaMeTiMe
11-26-2011, 06:40 PM
I'd also like to say I'm surprised at how high people have Michael Brewster on here. I'm probably going to be slapping him with a third-round grade when it's all said and done barring something unforeseen. Doesn't consistently finish blocks or show a mean streak and he's an awful shotgun snapper.
Another note: I don't think Peter Konz or Ricky Wagner will declare for the draft. D.J. Fluker and Barrett Jones should return for another year as well.

This all kind of ties into the reason I made the thread. A lot of these guys are iffy to declare, and the senior class is pretty thin at the top. Brewster is 6th for me here, but only because I can't say I like my 7-10 much more.

Babylon
11-26-2011, 08:13 PM
Think Levy Adcock of Oklahoma st. belongs somewhere in that second 5.

rawdawg
11-26-2011, 08:19 PM
Wow top 10.... As of now, I'd go:

1. Matt Kalil - OT
2. David DeCastro - OG
3. Peter Konz- C
4. Riley Reiff - OT
5. Jonathan Martin - OT
6. Kelechi Osemele - OG/OT
7. Mike Adams - OT
8. Barrett Jones - OG/OT
9. Zebrie Sanders - OT
10. Mike Brewster - OC

Really tempted to put Martin a lot lower. Could not make a top 10 without Brewster, I think he has too much potential as a franchise OC.

RWills
11-26-2011, 08:30 PM
1. OT - *Matt Kalil
2. OT - *Jonathan Martin
3. OG - *David DeCastro
4. OT - *Riley Reiff
5. OT - *Mike Adams
6. OT - **DJ Fluker
7. C - *Peter Konz
8. OT - Zebrie Sanders
9. OG - Cordy Glenn
10. OL - *Barrett Jones

seniors only

1. OT - Zebrie Sanders
2. OG - Cordy Glenn
3. OL - Kelechi Osemele
4. OT - Levy Adcock
5. OG - Kevin Zeitler
6. C - Ben Jones
7. OT - Nate Potter
8. C - Mike Brewster
9. OT - Andrew Datko
10. OL - Brandon Mosley

just missed - C - David Molk; OT - Matt MCants

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
11-26-2011, 09:21 PM
Is it possible for Peter Konz to fall into the 2nd round?

princefielder28
11-26-2011, 09:33 PM
Is it possible for Peter Konz to fall into the 2nd round?

guys of the interior OL don't seem to be higher picks so it's very possible for him to slide to the top of round, if he does come out

ChiFan24
11-26-2011, 09:43 PM
I need to watch some tape. All I know is that I love David DeCastro.

keylime_5
11-26-2011, 09:53 PM
I'd also like to say I'm surprised at how high people have Michael Brewster on here. I'm probably going to be slapping him with a third-round grade when it's all said and done barring something unforeseen. Doesn't consistently finish blocks or show a mean streak and he's an awful shotgun snapper.

he was a fine shotgun snapper until this season oddly enough. blocked like a beast today against Michigan as well, great game for Brewster.




1-Matt Kalil
2-David DeCastro
3-Mike Adams
4-Riley Reiff
5-Jonathan Martin
6-Peter Konz
7-Cordy Glenn
8-Mike Brewster
9-Kelechi Osemele
10-Levy Adcock

keylime_5
11-26-2011, 09:56 PM
1. Matt Kalil : USC
2. David DeCastro : Stanford
3. Riley Reiff : Iowa
4. Jonathan Martin : Stanford
5. Peter Konz : Wisconsin
6. Mike Adams : Ohio State
7. Kevin Zeitler : Wisconsin
8. Kelechi Osemele : Iowa State
9. Matt McCants : UAB
10. Michael Brewster : Ohio State

i wouldn't be surprised at all if this list ends up being the most accurate.

marshallb
11-26-2011, 10:25 PM
Here's mine. I will preface it by saying that I've got a lot more scouting to do on everyone as I haven't watched nearly as many games as I normally do due to my job.

1. Matt Kalil
2. David DeCastro
3a. Jonathan Martin
3b. Riley Reiff
3c. Mike Adams(these three I've got to watch the most to separate them)
6. Peter Konz
7. Kevin Zeitler
8. Kelechi Osemele
9. Zebrie Sanders(really coming around on him, was really low on him for a long time)
10. Michael Brewster

DJ Fluker would be on the list towards the bottom(probably 7 or 8), but I don't think he comes out, same goes for Barrett Jones. Cordy Glenn was also given consideration for that 10th spot.

Sloopy
11-26-2011, 10:42 PM
I'd also like to say I'm surprised at how high people have Michael Brewster on here. I'm probably going to be slapping him with a third-round grade when it's all said and done barring something unforeseen. Doesn't consistently finish blocks or show a mean streak and he's an awful shotgun snapper.

Agreed, wouldn't have a season ago but he seems to have taken a huge step back. I think he may still be successful at the next level and will probably go late 2nd round area to a team in desperate need of a center.

Sloopy
11-26-2011, 10:53 PM
Also:

1. Matt Kalil
2. Mike Adams
3. David DeCastro
4. Jonathan Martin
5.Riley Reiff
6.Zebrie Sanders
7. Cordy Glenn
8. Nate Potter
9. Levy Adcock
10. Michael Brewster

Fluker and Konz stay in school

TACKLE
11-27-2011, 03:03 AM
1. Matt Kalil, USC
2. Mike Adams, Ohio State
3. David DeCastro, Stanford
4. Peter Konz, Wisconsin
5. Reily Reiff, Iowa
6. Jonathan Martin, Stanford
7. Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
8. Lucas Nix, Pitt
9. Ben Jones, Georgia
10. Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin

*wasn't sure what to do about underclassmen so I only included underclassmen that I thought might declare.

bruschis4all
11-27-2011, 07:28 AM
i wouldn't be surprised at all if this list ends up being the most accurate.

Originally Posted by princefielder28 View Post
1. Matt Kalil : USC
2. David DeCastro : Stanford
3. Riley Reiff : Iowa
4. Jonathan Martin : Stanford
5. Peter Konz : Wisconsin
6. Mike Adams : Ohio State
7. Kevin Zeitler : Wisconsin
8. Kelechi Osemele : Iowa State
9. Matt McCants : UAB
10. Michael Brewster : Ohio State

He has an outstanding list. Any list without Kevin Zeitler is off. He abused PSU's defensive tackles yesterday. Devon Still and Jordan Hill ran roughshod over the Big 10 this year. Still's had the flu going back prior to the OSU game and isn't near 100pct. But, an outstanding game from that Wisconsin ol. Alabama even had trouble with them. Wasn't able to run the ball until the 4th quarter because PSU's defense was on the field the whole game. I like Rieff and DeCastro over Martin. Konz is a stud. Mike Adams looks like a NFL LT. Watched Osemele against Okie St he looked good. L Adcock played well too. Agree with poster who thinks he should be in there. Bedlam should give a good read on some prospects. Have never seen McCants not sure about him.
If Brewster's snapping is an aberration he's a good prospect. If you think it's serious, you have to downgrade him.

I'm not crazy about those 350lb maulers. But, some teams like them. Pats prefer taller, sleeker olinemen who can move a little. So, I watch those types of players closer. But, Cordy Glenn will have a high grade for some teams.

marshallb
11-27-2011, 12:04 PM
Also:

1. Matt Kalil
2. Michael Brewster
3. David DeCastro
4. Jonathan Martin
5.Riley Reiff
6.Zebrie Sanders
7. Cordy Glenn
8. Nate Potter
9. Levy Adcock
10. Michael Brewster

Fluker and Konz stay in school

You've got Brewster on there twice, at 2 and 10.

Sloopy
11-27-2011, 12:30 PM
You've got Brewster on there twice, at 2 and 10.

Lol, sorry Mike Adams is suposed to be #2

I made some serious goofs yesterday, including my mock

bored of education
11-27-2011, 12:49 PM
Kalil, Adams, DeCastro, Konz, Osemele, Martin, Reiff,

Cardinal96
11-27-2011, 05:12 PM
As a Stanford fan, it is clear that Kalil is the gem of the tackles and will be the first offensive lineman taken. I think David DeCastro is an absolute stud at guard and will dominate in the NFL. He is much, much better than Jonathan Martin.

SenorGato
11-27-2011, 08:10 PM
If everyone came out to make a super draft:

Matt Kalil
DJ Fluker
Jonathan Martin
Peter Konz
Riley Reiff
David DeCastro
Michael Brewster
Levi Adcock
Barrett Jones
Kelechi Osemele

Sloopy
11-27-2011, 08:14 PM
If everyone came out to make a super draft:

Matt Kalil
DJ Fluker
Jonathan Martin
Peter Konz
Riley Reiff
David DeCastro
Michael Brewster
Levi Adcock
Barrett Jones
Kelechi Osemele

No offense, I'm just wondering how you left Mike Adams out of your top 10?

SickwithIt1010
11-27-2011, 08:23 PM
You've got Brewster on there twice, at 2 and 10.

My guess is number 2 is supposed to be Mike Adams.

EDIT: been corrected already lol

Ozzy
11-27-2011, 09:08 PM
These are my top guy regardless of position, and we all know some of those OT's will go above the guards just because of the need for a classic OT almost every team has


1) Matt Kalil USC OT RS JR
2) David DeCastro OG Stanford JR
3) Peter Konz C Wisconsin JR
4) Jonathan Martin OT Stanford JR
5) Kelechi Osemele OT Iowa State
6) Riley Reiff OT Iowa RS JR
7) Cordy Glenn OG Georgia
8) Brandon Washington OG Miami FL JR
9) Chance Warmack OG Alabama JR
10) Mike Adams OT Ohio State




Fluker I think will go back to school, and yes unlikely Warmack will come out but he is playing at such an elite level, could not leave him off.

keylime_5
11-27-2011, 09:13 PM
Zeitler, Konz, Warmack, Fluker, and Jones I think are all juniors. I expect at least most of those guys should come back for 2012. If any comes out I would think it would be Konz or one of the Alabama guys. Is Matt Kalil a junior too? I don't remember if he redshirted in 2008 or not. If he is then he might come back with Barkley and try to win the MNC.

TACKLE
11-27-2011, 09:18 PM
Yeah I had a hard time with this because of the whole underclassmen issue.

SenorGato
11-27-2011, 09:53 PM
No offense, I'm just wondering how you left Mike Adams out of your top 10?

He could have 9 or 10...neither of those guys are big favorites of mine.

marshallb
11-27-2011, 09:55 PM
Zeitler, Konz, Warmack, Fluker, and Jones I think are all juniors. I expect at least most of those guys should come back for 2012. If any comes out I would think it would be Konz or one of the Alabama guys. Is Matt Kalil a junior too? I don't remember if he redshirted in 2008 or not. If he is then he might come back with Barkley and try to win the MNC.

Zeitler is a Senior, Kalil and Konz are RS JR, Warmack and Jones are Juniors, and Fluker is a RS Soph.

Brown Leader
11-27-2011, 10:04 PM
something like...

1. Kalil
2. DeCastro
3. Reiff
4. Osemele OG
5. Martin
6. Adams
7. Konz
8. Zeitler
9. Z.Sanders
10. Reynolds OG

Sloopy
11-28-2011, 07:29 AM
I don't know, I have Adams at least above Martin as an OT right now