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DoughBoy
11-28-2011, 12:39 PM
I think we are far enough into the season to be able to tell who were the best at their position this year. Who you got?

CashmoneyDrew
11-28-2011, 12:41 PM
Every Tits rookie ever.

jrdrylie
11-28-2011, 12:54 PM
QB: Andy Dalton
RB: DeMarco Murray
WR: AJ Green
WR: Torrey Smith
TE: Kyle Rudolph
OL: Mike Pouncy
OL: Stefan Wisniewski

DE: Adrian Clayborn
DE: JJ Watt
DT: Phil Taylor
LB: Von Miller
LB: Aldon Smith
CB: Patrick Peterson
S: Chris Conte

K: Dan Bailey
p: Chas Henry

Punisher
11-28-2011, 12:55 PM
Over/Under on how many posts it takes until this becomes Cam Newton vs. Andy Dalton?

Giantsfan1080
11-28-2011, 12:55 PM
Dan Bailey has been the best rookie kicker by far.

Prowler
11-28-2011, 01:06 PM
QB- Andy Dalton
RB- DeMarco Murray
FB- No Idea
WR- A.J. Green
WR- Torrey Smith
TE- Kyle Rudolph
OT- Tyron Smith
OT- Anthony Castonzo
G- Stefan Wisniewski
G- Will Rackley
C- Mike Pouncey

The oline picks are tough to make. There have been so many injuries and terrible performances by picks that are counted on to make plays vs spot starts by picks that are being brought along slower. I'll post D later.

Don Vito
11-28-2011, 01:12 PM
Solder has been pretty good for the Pats, he has had his rough moments though. He is the only rookie who could really get consideration on this list for us we have a ton of guys who have been hurt (Dowling, Vereen, Cannon, etc.) or just have had guys ahead of them (Ridley and Mallett).

keylime_5
11-28-2011, 01:15 PM
QB-Cam Newton/Andy Dalton
RB-DeMarco Murray
WR-AJ Green
WR-Julio Jones
WR-Torrey Smith
TE-Kyle Rudolph
OL-Tyron Smith
OL-Nate Solder
OL-Stefen Wisniewski
OL-Mike Pouncey
OL-Danny Watkins/Will Rackley

DE-JJ Watt
DT-Phil Taylor
DT-Marcell Dareus
DE-Jabaal Sheard/Adrian Clayborn
LB-Von Miller
LB-Ryan Kerrigan
LB-Aldon Smith
DB-Patrick Peterson
DB-Chris Culliver
DB-Chris Conte
DB-DeMarcus Van Dyke i really dont know

keylime_5
11-28-2011, 01:16 PM
QB- Andy Dalton
RB- DeMarco Murray
FB- Owen Marecic!
WR- A.J. Green
WR- Torrey Smith
TE- Kyle Rudolph
OT- Tyron Smith
OT- Anthony Castonzo
G- Stefan Wisniewski
G- Will Rackley
C- Mike Pouncey

The oline picks are tough to make. There have been so many injuries and terrible performances by picks that are counted on to make plays vs spot starts by picks that are being brought along slower. I'll post D later.

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RaiderNation
11-28-2011, 01:25 PM
Wisniewski should be on every list. He is playing at a Pro Bowl level at LG and C this year as a rookie and has been a major addition to this team. Also Denarius Moore should get consideration at WR, even though he has been very inconsistant so far

V.I.P
11-28-2011, 01:30 PM
Adrian Clayborn ... best rookie DE .....

Prowler
11-28-2011, 01:34 PM
43 DE- Adrian Clayborn
34 DE- Marcell Dareus
43 DT- Phillip Taylor
34 NT- No Vote
43 OLB- Von Miller
34 OLB- Aldon Smith
ILB- Mason Foster
CB- Patrick Peterson
CB- Chris Culliver
S- Quenton Carter?
S- Chris Conte?

K- Alex Henery
P- Matt Bosher
KR- Randall Cobb
PR- Patrick Peterson

I seriously can barely come up with a safety. It also sucks with corners being burnt and Jimmy Smith being injured for a bit.

TACKLE
11-28-2011, 01:44 PM
I'm just going to wait for PFF to tell me who the best rookies are.

Giantsfan1080
11-28-2011, 01:50 PM
I don't know why this is bothering me but how are you guys seriously putting Henery over Bailey?

Bailey 27-28 96.4%
Henery 18-21 85.7%

Prowler
11-28-2011, 01:53 PM
I seriously forgot he was a rookie.

phlysac
11-28-2011, 03:54 PM
I'd add Bruce Miller to the FB options.

Alot of love for Aldon Smith but don't forget Ryan Kerrigan.

jrdrylie
11-28-2011, 03:55 PM
I'd add Bruce Miller to the FB options.


Yeah!!! The only Ginger I like.

phlysac
11-28-2011, 04:03 PM
Yeah!!! The only Ginger I like.

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000HCzEI61lUyk/t/200/I0000HCzEI61lUyk.jpg
Ginger Beard FTW!!!

Wodwo
11-28-2011, 04:10 PM
FB- No Idea



Bruce Miller has had a pretty good rookie season for the 49ers.

He was the starter for Frank Gore's five game streak over 100 rushing.

He also has a 30 yard TD reception.

Not bad for a converted DE.

Edit: I was a bit slow on this post. Heh.

Damix
11-28-2011, 04:20 PM
Per usual the Giants rookies have been hurt or only play when there are no other choices (see our LB core). I nominate none of them for this list.

XxXdragonXxX
11-28-2011, 11:07 PM
Richard Sherman has been easily the best rookie CB.

703SKINS202
11-28-2011, 11:18 PM
Every list should include Ryan Kerrigan.

Caddy
11-28-2011, 11:21 PM
Adrian Clayborn has been pretty great for the Buccaneers this year, 5 sacks and a FF so far. I'm really looking forward to what he can do with another offseason under his belt.

irishbucsfan
11-29-2011, 06:12 PM
The number of quality DL/OLBs from this class is absolutely ridiculous:

Kerrigan
Smith
Miller
Reed
Sheard
Taylor
Dareus
Watt
Clayborn

And Robert Quinn has been picking it up nicely lately.

bam bam
11-30-2011, 08:46 AM
The number of quality DL/OLBs from this class is absolutely ridiculous:

Kerrigan
Smith
Miller
Reed
Sheard
Taylor
Dareus
Watt
Clayborn

And Robert Quinn has been picking it up nicely lately.

Pernell McPhee

Shane P. Hallam
11-30-2011, 09:16 AM
I'm doing this a bit off the cuff:

QB: Cam Newton
RB: DeMarco Murray
FB: Bruce Miller
WR: AJ Green
WR: Torrey Smith
WR: Denarius Moore
TE: Kyle Rudolph
OT: Tyron Smith
OG: Stefen Wisniewski
C: Mike Pouncey
OG: Will Rackley
OT: Nate Solder

DE: Adrian Clayborn
DT: Phil Taylor
DT: Marcell Dareus
DE: Jabaal Sheard
LB: Von Miller
LB: Ryan Kerrigan
LB: Aldon Smith
CB: Patrick Peterson
CB: Chris Culliver
S: Chris Conte
S: Tyler Sash

K: Dan Bailey
P: Matt Bosher

Giantsfan1080
11-30-2011, 10:06 AM
A big no on Tyler Sash. He only plays specials for us and doesn't even stand out in that phase yet.

VernonLawson89
11-30-2011, 10:08 AM
Nice to see Chris Culliver getting some love in here.

indyfan1985
11-30-2011, 10:21 AM
QB-Cam Newton/Andy Dalton
RB-DeMarco Murray
WR-AJ Green
WR-Julio Jones
WR-Torrey Smith
TE-Kyle Rudolph
OL-Tyron Smith
OL-Nate Solder
OL-Stefen Wisniewski
OL-Mike Pouncey
OL-Danny Watkins/Will Rackley

DE-JJ Watt
DT-Phil Taylor
DT-Marcell Dareus
DE-Jabaal Sheard/Adrian Clayborn
LB-Von Miller
LB-Ryan Kerrigan
LB-Aldon Smith
DB-Patrick Peterson
DB-Chris Culliver
DB-Chris Conte
DB-DeMarcus Van Dyke i really dont know

Nate Solder, Danny Watkins, and Will Rackley over Anthony Costanzo??? Costanzo has been very good when playing this year for a rookie LT. Solder hasnt been asked to play LT yet, and those 2 other guys havent played up to the level of Costanzo yet.

Brown Leader
11-30-2011, 06:18 PM
QB Cam Newton
FB Bruce Miller
RB DeMarco Murray
OT Tyron Smith
OG Jason Pinkston
OC Mike Pouncey
OG Steve Wisniewski
OT Nate Solder
TE Kyle Rudolph
WR A.J. Green
WR Julio Jones

DE Jabaal Sheard
DT Jurrell Casey
DT Marcel Dareus
DE J.J. Watt
OLB Von Miller
ILB Colin McCarthy
OLB Aldon Smith
DB Patrick Peterson
DB Marcus Gilchrist
DB Richard Sherman
DB Chris Culliver

K Dan Bailey
KR Cobb
PR Peterson

yup.

holt_bruce81
11-30-2011, 07:46 PM
Robert Quinn should be on your list over Adrian Clayborn.

15 tackles, 1 FF, 5 sacks, 2 blocked punts

Caddy
11-30-2011, 07:52 PM
Robert Quinn should be on your list over Adrian Clayborn.

15 tackles, 1 FF, 5 sacks, 2 blocked punts

Their stats are basically identical, but Clayborn doesn't play on special teams.

TACKLE
11-30-2011, 08:22 PM
Not trying to be a homer but Pernell McPhee should pretty clearly be an 'All-Rookie' DE. Although he is only a rotational player (like Robert Quinn), he has been outstanding this year. The guy lives in the backfield, consistently gets pass rush and has a relentless motor that brings a spark to the D-Line. I really can't stress enough how impressive he's been.

Docta
11-30-2011, 08:26 PM
Brooks Reed? Already has 6 sacks on the season.

PatrickWillis
12-08-2011, 02:23 PM
I'd add Bruce Miller to the FB options.

Alot of love for Aldon Smith but don't forget Ryan Kerrigan.

What? No mention of Amukamara Mr. Scout?

comahan
12-08-2011, 02:32 PM
No way JJ Watt should be left off of any lists. He's been as vital to Houston's defense as anyone else.

Bulldogs
12-08-2011, 03:53 PM
Here's my shot at this.

QB: Cam Newton
RB: DeMarco Murray
FB: Bruce Miller
WR: AJ Green
WR: Julio Jones
WR: Torrey Smith
TE: Kyle Rudolph
OT: Tyron Smith
OG: Stefen Wisniewski
C: Mike Pouncey
OG: Will Rackley
OT: Anthony Costanzo

3-4

RE: Marcell Dareus
NT: Phil Taylor
LE: JJ Watt
OLB: Von Miller
ILB: Mason Foster
ILB: Colin McCarthy
OLB: Ryan Kerrigan / Aldon Smith

4-3

DE: Robert Quinn
DT: Phil Taylor
DT: Marcell Dareus
DE: Jabaal Sheard / Adrian Clayborne
OLB: Von Miller
ILB: Colin McCarthy
OLB: Aldon Smith

CB: Patrick Peterson
CB: Richard Sherman
CB: Chris Culliver
S: Chris Conte


K: Dan Bailey
P: Matt Bosher
Returner: Patrick Peterson

keylime_5
12-08-2011, 04:53 PM
Nate Solder, Danny Watkins, and Will Rackley over Anthony Costanzo??? Costanzo has been very good when playing this year for a rookie LT. Solder hasnt been asked to play LT yet, and those 2 other guys havent played up to the level of Costanzo yet.

like everyone else i'm pretty much just guessing, no strong convictions here. also I kinda tried to put 2 OTs, 2 OGs, and 1 C on my list.

JBCX
12-09-2011, 01:02 PM
Who is picking other players over Danny Watkins at OG? He's been rock-solid since earning the starting job mid-season.

The only other OG that deserves to be on the all-rookie team ahead of Watkins is probably Stephen Wisnieski.

Prowler
12-09-2011, 01:07 PM
Watkins was terrible for half the season. That Eagles line was completely underperforming.

JBCX
12-09-2011, 01:08 PM
Watkins was terrible for half the season. That Eagles line was completely underperforming.

He wasn't starting early on, but since starting (Week 4? 5?), he's been consistently solid.

There hasn't been a consistently solid OG in this class other than Wisnieski.

jth1331
12-09-2011, 01:19 PM
Defense has been freakin studly this year for the rookies.

Pit Bull #53
12-09-2011, 07:44 PM
Jurrell Casey is so under the radar. He's been our best defensive lineman by far and started since day 1. Makes plays every game and is extremely active and disruptive.

wogitalia
12-09-2011, 09:11 PM
Despite being an awful team where rookies should have a real opportunity to play... the Vikes have absolutely no one that is even in contention for a spot on this thing...

Yep, our management is awesome.

Caulibflower
12-27-2011, 05:45 PM
Going to give a few reasons along with each player I pick, hopefully to avoid the impression of just looking up yardage/TD/sack leaders.

QB - Cam Newton. Absolutely insane offensive production. For everyone who points out that Andy Dalton has more wins, I'll just point out that it's a team sport and Andy benefited from coming into a better one. Cam did a lot more for the Panthers than Dalton did for the Bengals. I watched Panthers games almost every week and Cam was a freakin' highlight reel.

RB - DeMarco Murray. He's a full step above any of the other rookie runners, and for the period between where he began starting until he got injured, he was one of the better running backs in the NFL. If he stays healthy and keeps it up, I think we're looking at a star running back in Dallas.

FB - Bruce Miller. Not going to be a flashy player here, but Miller's been solid when I've watched the 49ers play. You can tell he's not afraid to get physical, and combined with pretty good athleticism you know Frank Gore's happy to have him in front of him.

WR - A.J. Green. Pretty easily the best rookie wideout. Doesn't really require additional explanation.

WR - Julio Jones. Not the most consistent, but he's pretty special with the ball in his hands. You talk about a big play waiting to happen, and not only is it a possibility with him, but he's produced a number of them over the course of the season. I'm not sold on his reliability, but the big plays are what get him on this list. Just a scary raw athlete.

WR - Doug Baldwin. Kind of the inverse of Julio Jones. Surprisingly polished rookie who runs good routes, has reliable hands and knows where he needs to be. Of all NFL receiver who have at least 40 receptions, only Antonio Brown, Plaxico Burress and Vincent Jackson have a higher 1st down percentage. Seattle is not a strong passing team, so you have to keep that in mind when comparing his stats to, say, Julio Jones. Where Julio's got Roddy White drawing double coverage all game and Matt Ryan throwing to him AND Michael Turner in the backfield, Baldwin's a 190-lb accidental no.1 who still gets the first down 4 out of 5 times with a journeyman (at best) QB throwing him the ball. I'm excited to see how he develops over the next couple years, and hopefully Sidney Rice can stay healthy.

TE - Kyle Rudolph. Haven't seen too many Vikings game, but Rudolph seems like he'll be a solid player for a long time. Looks like he belongs on the field. There aren't too many tight ends to consider here. I think Kyle Rudolph has easily been a better all-around player than Lance Kendricks, who is about the only other player I'd consider. Kendricks is more of an H-back who's had some drops and blocking issues. Still think he could be a good player, But Rudolph, again, has been much better overall.

OL - Honestly, I'm not someone who knows much about other team's offensive linemen. If I gave rankings here I'd probably just be going off of other people, so I won't.

DL - I might get some flak for this, but I'd like to call Aldon Smith a defensive end. I know he's listed as an OLB, but when I've seen the 49ers play I see Aldon mostly lining up on the LOS and he usually seemed to have his hand on the ground. At any rate, his value is as a pass rusher and not coverage, so his role is closer to that of a lineman than a linebacker. But whatever. At any rate, he belongs on the All-Rookie team.

DL - Adrian Clayborn. Player I liked coming out and he's lived up to that. Solid season for a pretty bad team.

DL - Marcel Dareus. Really, really good player. In the backfield a lot, and looks reaaaallly strong at the point of attack. Buffalo got a good one.

DL - J.J. Watt. Part of the reason Houston has turned into a good defense. Another guy who has looked like he belongs in the NFL as soon as he stepped in and will be a foundational player for that defense for a long time.

LB - Von Miller. Another one that needs no explanation.

LB - Mason Foster.

LB - K.J. Wright. Good enough for the team to get rid of Aaron Curry after only three seasons. Solid starter on a resurgent and very young defense in Seattle.

LB - Ryan Kerrigan. Had to come back and put Ryan Kerrigan in here before I posted, even though that makes three OLBs. I'm probably being a little homerish in putting Wright in here before Kerrigan, but I didn't really watch any Washington games this year so I'm adding him pretty much purely based on his production.

CB - Richard Sherman. Another Seattle rookie who came in and played well right away. Led all rookies in pass breakups and interceptions. And he's from Compton.

CB - Patrick Peterson. Looks like he'll be a playmaker down in AZ. Might give up a big play now and then, but also makes big plays.

Safety. Another position where no one really comes immediately to mind, so I won't bother naming names. Guess I didn't watch enough games with rookie safeties.

T-RICH49
12-27-2011, 05:59 PM
The number of quality DL/OLBs from this class is absolutely ridiculous:

Kerrigan
Smith
Miller
Reed
Sheard
Taylor
Dareus
Watt
Clayborn

And Robert Quinn has been picking it up nicely lately.

Justin Houston has been progressing a lot since the NE game

xooberon
12-27-2011, 10:29 PM
I'm just going to wait for PFF to tell me who the best rookies are.

I know you were probably joking (PFF seems to have a pretty bad rep around here) but this is what I got using their grading data:

QB: Cam Newton
RB: DeMarco Murray
FB: Bruce Miller
WR: A.J. Green
WR: Doug Baldwin
TE: Kyle Rudolph
LT: Anthony Castonzo
LG: Stefen Wisniewski
C: Mike Pouncey
RG: Danny Watkins
RT: Tyron Smith

DE: Jabaal Sheard
DT: Pernel McPhee
DT: Marcell Dareus
DE: J.J. Watt
OLB: Von Miller
MLB: Colin McCarthy
OLB: Aldon Smith
CB: Richard Sherman
FS: Chris Conte
SS: Mistral Raymond
CB: Chris Harris

K: Dan Bailey
P: Matt Bosher
KR: Randall Cobb
PR: Patrick Peterson

Safeties and that second CB spot were hard to find.