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JBCX
11-30-2011, 06:15 PM
Profootballfocus just posted their annual "Pass Rushing Productivity" feature which breaks down defensive linemen based on the amount of pass rush pressure they generate on a per-snap basis. It takes things such as hurries and hits into account in addition to just sacks. This provides a more accurate picture of which player is actually the best pass rusher on a consistent basis.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/30/pass-rushing-productivity-the-story-so-far/

According to their data, Carlos Dunlap is the best pass rusher in the NFL right now. Rookie Von Miller is a close second.

I think this list is quite interesting because it shows that some players with alot of sacks (Jason Pierre Paul, for example) do not actually generate consistent pass pressure as much as some players who have fewer sacks (Carlos Dunlap).

They also list the least productive rushers in the NFL. #1 on that list is GB's Jairyus Wynn. Seeing that reminds you why the GB defense is not nearly as good as it was last year - Cullen Jenkins is top 5 among interior linemen in pressure and his replacment is the worst. It's no secret that GB is going to be targeting a pass-rushing defensive lineman in the draft this year, I think.

Giantsfan1080
11-30-2011, 06:18 PM
Yay another PFF article started by JCBX!!!

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JBCX
11-30-2011, 06:20 PM
Yay another PFF article started by JCBX!!!


http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/155/594/yesitis2.gif?1311943181

If you dont' want to read an interesting article that exposes some cool stats about NFL players, then just don't click on the link and don't post in this thread.

Giantsfan1080
11-30-2011, 06:20 PM
If you dont' want to read an interesting article that exposes some cool stats about NFL players, then just don't click on the link and don't post in this thread.

I was hoping you didn't use PFF as your reference again. Dumb silly me.

JBCX
11-30-2011, 06:23 PM
I was hoping you didn't use PFF as your reference again. Dumb silly me.

Why do you claim that I am using something as a reference? I'm not referencing anything as part of an attempt to back up some argument. I am not making some kind of grand pronouncements. I am merely relaying an *interesting* article about some pass-rushing statistics to other people on this forum and opening a thread for discussion regarding said article.

soybean
11-30-2011, 06:23 PM
If you dont' want to read an interesting article that exposes some cool stats about NFL players, then just don't click on the link and don't post in this thread.

In contrast, if you don't want people responding negatively about a thread you started, then don't start a thread. can work both ways... SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?

Anyways, just to play along,

I thinkt Clay Matthews beast year last year has overshadowed Orakpo who is not that far behind if at all in terms of players.

TheFinisher
11-30-2011, 06:45 PM
http://toughmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DeMarcus-Ware.jpg


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Raiderz4Life
11-30-2011, 06:47 PM
Dunlap is close but is not the best.

I knew it was coming...the PFF reference....but I couldn't help myself haha

Vox Populi
11-30-2011, 06:47 PM
Rob Ninkovich and Andre Carter are the biggest wtf's on those rankings. Their numbers must be inflated from a couple of big games against absolutely **** lines because for most of the season they've been about as average as I can imagine.

Trogdor
11-30-2011, 06:53 PM
http://toughmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DeMarcus-Ware.jpg


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*Looks at the NFL sack leaders*

Ware is tops playing in a 3-4. Aside from Wake (who is also a freaking beast) the rest of the top 5 are from 4-3. Thus making it even more impressive that they rank top and near the top.

That aside the pace that Ware and Allen is absolutely insane.

tl;dr Ware.

TitanHope
11-30-2011, 06:57 PM
If you dont' want to read an interesting article that exposes some cool stats about NFL players, then just don't click on the link and don't post in this thread.

The thing is, if we want to know what ProFootballFocus has to say, then we'll visit their website.

We understand you're a big fan of their site, but there's a disproportionate amount of your posts with PFF links in them. It's as if you work for them or something. The only thing that separates you from a spambot is you reply back when someone teases you about it.

What's the point of this thread? You ask a question in the title and then answer it in your post. That basically ends the discussion. If someone disagrees, you reply with "Well, PFF knows more than you for reasons a, b, and c." So there's no discussion to advance the teaching. Just you plugging the site, and us going, "Oh, well, we already knew Von Miller was great and Jairyus Wynn sucked." That's no fun, and when we have no fun, we get cranky and post pictures to annoy you.

fenikz
11-30-2011, 06:59 PM
Clark Haggans...wtf is this i dont even

wogitalia
11-30-2011, 07:29 PM
Clark Haggans...wtf is this i dont even

Allen for Haggans right now? Surely it would make the Vikes better right?

This article makes it seem like the Vikings got Carson Palmer level ripped off on our trade for Allen, I mean he has been doing the same thing every year since we traded for him and that is only the 43rd best pass rusher in the league, so every team has at least one guy better.

Cool story bro!

Crazy_Chris
11-30-2011, 07:29 PM
According to their formula Jared Allen is 43rd(LOL)... That says all you need to know.

Sloopy
11-30-2011, 07:45 PM
You guys... stop insulting the crystal ball that is PFF. It is all seeing and all knowing.

"Don't mess with PFF, for they are subtle, and will eat your children"

MetSox17
11-30-2011, 07:46 PM
Anybody wondering now if jbcx maybe works, or writes for PFF? I mean, that would be the most reasonable explanation for why he keeps posting **** from their website after getting flamed time and time again.

Raiderz4Life
11-30-2011, 07:57 PM
Was starting to think myself. Its crystal clear a lot of their work is ****. Yet he refuses to stop using it or at least use it as supplement to his own personal argument, no, its they're right and you're wrong...do you watch every player on every snap? because they do, you're stupid, how can you possibly know more than a professional?? etc etc

gsorace
12-01-2011, 03:00 AM
I stopped reading when I saw that Aaron Maybin wasn't number 1

AntoinCD
12-01-2011, 03:06 AM
Rob Ninkovich and Andre Carter are the biggest wtf's on those rankings. Their numbers must be inflated from a couple of big games against absolutely **** lines because for most of the season they've been about as average as I can imagine.

You realise that Carter absolutely ass raped D'Brickashaw Ferguson who is probably a consensus top 3 OT????

And Carter has been pretty damn good all season.

Ninkovich is average ill admit but to base it on pass rushing stats is ridiculous since he is playing OLB in a 43.

Halsey
12-01-2011, 03:24 AM
One aspect that factors in to stats like this is percentages. If a guy plays more downs, he's not going to be as fresh as a guy who comes off the bench on passing downs.

That's kind of like saying some backup for the Lakers is a better scorer than Kobe Bryant because Kobe hit 15 of 25 shots and the backup hit 1 of 1.

jsagan77
12-01-2011, 03:54 AM
This actually would make some sense if they could count all the variables but unfortunately that's impossible. They do their best to quantify something that can't be quantified... You can only know by watching. I agree with pretty much everyone else that DWare is the best in all of football. could hit 100 sacks before he's 30... talk about amazing.

niel89
12-01-2011, 04:04 AM
Needs more Mark Anderson

Ngatachance92
12-01-2011, 04:15 AM
Leave JBCX alone! While you guys are wasting your time watching actual football to form your opinions, he spends that same time studying the opinions others have already formed thus gaining more knowledge.

Bengalsrocket
12-01-2011, 04:47 AM
As a Bengals fan I support these statistics :P


Seriously though, if you take a guy like Ware, and then think about all the attention he gets even through out the week when teams are preparing for Dallas, the fact that he even gets a single sack in any game is absolutely amazing to me.

Dunlap doesn't get enough attention though. He's not just a pass rusher specialist. He has the ability to get after the ball carrier when he is in, the problem (if you want to call it a problem) is that Zimmer runs a large rotation on the line, so even when he gets in on 1st or 2nd down, he's rotated out on the next down or two.

Matthew Jones
12-01-2011, 05:44 AM
Rob Ninkovich and Andre Carter are the biggest wtf's on those rankings. Their numbers must be inflated from a couple of big games against absolutely **** lines because for most of the season they've been about as average as I can imagine.

What are you talking about? Andre Carter's been great this year.

prock
12-01-2011, 05:47 AM
You realise that Carter absolutely ass raped D'Brickashaw Ferguson who is probably a consensus top 3 OT????

And Carter has been pretty damn good all season.

Ninkovich is average ill admit but to base it on pass rushing stats is ridiculous since he is playing OLB in a 43.

I wouldn't call DBrick a top 3 left tackle.

Sloopy
12-01-2011, 06:43 AM
You realise that Carter absolutely ass raped D'Brickashaw Ferguson who is probably a consensus top 3 OT????

And Carter has been pretty damn good all season.

Ninkovich is average ill admit but to base it on pass rushing stats is ridiculous since he is playing OLB in a 43.

I'm going to have to declare this false.

Carter is having a good year though

SolidGold
12-01-2011, 07:55 AM
It's nice to see Chris Long hit double digit sacks this season but it sucks the Rams are so bad.

bigbluedefense
12-01-2011, 07:59 AM
DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen

K Train
12-01-2011, 08:37 AM
lamaar woodley turned on beast mode the day harrison got hurt right up until woodley himself got hurt, hope he picks up where he left off this week