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Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 06:44 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best?module=HP11_cp

Great read coming at last from a sourse outside of draftniks. I'm not sure how much respect Bucky deserves since he is relatively new on the job, but he was a pro scout for 2 teams and I guess I'll be watching closely to see where he fits into the Mayock/Casserly group in 'Path to the Draft' on the NFL Network.

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 06:47 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_cp

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 06:52 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-boost-coples-ingram

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 07:03 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way?module=HP11_cp

vidae
12-07-2011, 07:24 PM
I disagree with DeCastro being behind Reiff and Martin, but other than that it's an ok list.

edit: I actually think Mike Adams should be higher too, but meh.

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 07:28 PM
Well, the Senior Bowl and the Combine will sort out the final ranking anyways, but it is a good start to see where they stand based on their final season.

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 07:31 PM
I certainly don't have them in the same order but that will be decided at the Combine and Senior Bowl if they are eligible.

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 07:45 PM
error, error, sorry

PossibleCabbage
12-07-2011, 08:56 PM
Well, the Senior Bowl and the Combine will sort out the final ranking anyways, but it is a good start to see where they stand based on their final season.

Well, yeah... the process hasn't really gotten started, but this is the point at which initial rankings should be collated, since meaningful college football has ceased, at least as far as evaluation purposes go.

Iamcanadian
12-07-2011, 09:11 PM
Sorry about the misspelling. Yuk!

TBBucs621
12-08-2011, 03:59 PM
I would love to see Trent Richardson in Denver with Tim Tebow. That would be a fun duo to watch.

Iamcanadian
12-08-2011, 05:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824db531/article/top-10-dbs-lsu-corner-claiborne-leads-talented-sec-trio-

Seems like there are 3 great ones from the SEC!

Iamcanadian
12-08-2011, 05:13 PM
WQill Ingram go higher than Coples before it ios all said and done.???

Iamcanadian
12-08-2011, 05:18 PM
Georgia's OLBer Jones looks quite enticing.

Iamcanadian
12-08-2011, 05:20 PM
I disagree with DeCastro being behind Reiff and Martin, but other than that it's an ok list.

edit: I actually think Mike Adams should be higher too, but meh.

I could see Adams going a lot higher as well. The post season will be extremely important to him.

TACKLE
12-08-2011, 05:28 PM
is this a spam bot?

keylime_5
12-08-2011, 05:37 PM
I'm a little weary of how good Ingram will be in the NFL. Kinda squatty with a fat butt for a true DE, not the long and lean typical DE - though he is quite athletic for his size. He is more of a guy who can play LDE and then DT on 3rd downs. Andre Branch was better this year IMO and he is more of the typical, long and lean pass rushing DE. Coples is still a firm #1 DE this year I think, definitely has the most potential and is a versatile big DE who can be a LDE, 5 tech DT, and play some 3 tech. Had a better junior year than senior year - but that can be attributed to him playing his more natural position instead instead of moving outside on the edge as a senior.

ChiFan24
12-08-2011, 05:47 PM
I'm a little weary of how good Ingram will be in the NFL. Kinda squatty with a fat butt for a true DE, not the long and lean typical DE - though he is quite athletic for his size. He is more of a guy who can play LDE and then DT on 3rd downs. Andre Branch was better this year IMO and he is more of the typical, long and lean pass rushing DE. Coples is still a firm #1 DE this year I think, definitely has the most potential and is a versatile big DE who can be a LDE, 5 tech DT, and play some 3 tech. Had a better junior year than senior year - but that can be attributed to him playing his more natural position instead instead of moving outside on the edge as a senior.

This. The measurables and physique remind me a lot of Robert Ayers and Derrick Morgan, two guys I didn't really like (to be fair, Morgan was a better prospect with better production). If I'm drafting a DE in the first round I'd rather take my chances with a JPP type or in this case, a Coples type. Not that I'm driving the Coples bandwagon either.

Iamcanadian
12-08-2011, 06:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824dcc62/article/top-10-wrtes-osus-blackmon-headlines-explosive-group

Claims Okla St. says Blackmon is more advanced than Dez.

ericzedwards
12-08-2011, 06:49 PM
No Casey Hayward in the top-10; no read from me, Bucky.

ElectricEye
12-08-2011, 07:00 PM
The Jamaal Anderson factor with Coples is really, really high...but if there's anything I've learned about defensive ends, it's that you draft based on length and athleticism first and foremost and worry about the rest later. Still, I wouldn't feel good making that pick.

Andre Branch fascinates me. He went from being a guy everyone had as completely overhyped to being criminally underrated in one season. There's some things there that I want to make sure check out at the combine and I would LOVE to see him come to the Senior Bowl...but color me interested as a late first kind of guy.

Fletcher Cox is a guy I need to see more of. Didn't catch much of Mississippi State this year, and when I did I was looking elsewhere. Like the sounds of his skillset though.


The more I watch of Poe, the more I like. I would put him on helium watch if he decides to come out this season. Guys that big with size, strength, and quickness don't come along very often. I

Saints-Tigers
12-08-2011, 07:01 PM
Lol at Bucky Brooks. Iamcanadian's shtick of thinking scouts are always right and more knowledgable is more hilarious when quoting Bucky.... and I didn't even read the article yet.

norcalgsr
12-08-2011, 08:03 PM
David Wilson is compared to Ray Rice, yet is questioned about carrying the load?

Cyrus Gray ain't 212.

Iamcanadian
12-08-2011, 09:52 PM
Lol at Bucky Brooks. Iamcanadian's shtick of thinking scouts are always right and more knowledgable is more hilarious when quoting Bucky.... and I didn't even read the article yet.

If you had read some of my posts on Brooks, you'd see I'm totally unsure whether Brooks is talented enough to take completely serious. I have nothing to base his accuracy on from past experience.
However, your obvious dislike for reliable sources show how mundane your knowledge of the draft is.
I choose to use sources that have proved to be reliable over time, like a Mayock, Brandt or a Casserly. You become laughable if you chose to ignore people who had put most of their lives into the draft for a living, in the NFL and have access we can only dream about. But what do they know????
If anything is hilarious, it's your belief that you are smarter and more knowledgeable than anybody else around and need no reliable sources to check out your thoughts against other people's opinions. Must be great to be a genius in your own mind.

killxswitch
12-09-2011, 08:57 AM
Surprised Alameda Ta'amu is nowhere to be seen on this list. Especially with the need for NTs in the league (though a 4-3 team taking him would not surprise me). I don't think there are that many more talented DEs in this draft.

princefielder28
12-09-2011, 10:34 AM
Cam Johnson and Billy Wynn need to be towards the top rather than the bottom of the list

princefielder28
12-09-2011, 10:36 AM
No Casey Hayward in the top-10; no read from me, Bucky.

exactly! Winston Guy Jr. should be as well

Saints-Tigers
12-09-2011, 10:56 AM
If you had read some of my posts on Brooks, you'd see I'm totally unsure whether Brooks is talented enough to take completely serious. I have nothing to base his accuracy on from past experience.
However, your obvious dislike for reliable sources show how mundane your knowledge of the draft is.
I choose to use sources that have proved to be reliable over time, like a Mayock, Brandt or a Casserly. You become laughable if you chose to ignore people who had put most of their lives into the draft for a living, in the NFL and have access we can only dream about. But what do they know????
If anything is hilarious, it's your belief that you are smarter and more knowledgeable than anybody else around and need no reliable sources to check out your thoughts against other people's opinions. Must be great to be a genius in your own mind.

Hahah, a lot of the guys you choose are as hit and miss as we are, which is why they were A) fired, or B)Never hired.

Don't confuse having a better cache or resources to use with actually being a better scout.

I do like Mayock though, but Brandt has been terrible for a LONG time, and Casserly is laughable...

My mistake on your thoughts on Bucky, but if you think he's a reliable source, IDK what else to say.

JHL6719
12-09-2011, 11:06 AM
"I love Blaine Gabbert, even though I haven't seen him play".

-Charlie Casserly

DraftSavant
12-09-2011, 11:26 AM
"I love Blaine Gabbert, even though I haven't seen him play".

-Charlie Casserly

This, this, this, this, this, infinity.

vidae
12-09-2011, 11:30 AM
Billy Wynn is going to be a stud.

Saints-Tigers
12-09-2011, 11:48 AM
"I love Blaine Gabbert, even though I haven't seen him play".

-Charlie Casserly

I rest my case. haha.

Bulldogs
12-09-2011, 12:00 PM
It's spelt ranks damnit!

Saints-Tigers
12-09-2011, 12:10 PM
It's spelt ranks damnit!

What are you talking aboot?

princefielder28
12-09-2011, 06:16 PM
seeing Dwight Jones so low on the list hurts my opinion of his rankings...he has Jones as the #9 pass catcher; I have him as the #11 prospect

Iamcanadian
12-09-2011, 06:42 PM
Hahah, a lot of the guys you choose are as hit and miss as we are, which is why they were A) fired, or B)Never hired.

Don't confuse having a better cache or resources to use with actually being a better scout.

I do like Mayock though, but Brandt has been terrible for a LONG time, and Casserly is laughable...

My mistake on your thoughts on Bucky, but if you think he's a reliable source, IDK what else to say.

Brandt had 29/32 first rounds 2 or 3 years ago so his sources at least, are pretty solid even if he doesn't do a lot of scouting himself anymore. I love Mayock but he has some weak areas as well like junior QB's. In fact most of the old timers haven't got a lot of experience with predicting junior QB's. It is only a recent phenomenon that QB's have started declaring as juniors in large #'s and I don't think the old timers are very solid on predicting them as prospects.
Casserly, I don't trust on QB's at all but he is still very knowledgeable about other positions, and you can compare his sources against Mayock's to get a clearer overall picture.
The way I approach the draft is to think of these guys like my hired scouts, I take their ideas, compare it to my own, then go back to see if I missed something if there is a wide divergence. Every organization have many scouts look at the same prospects before the GM, in most cases, reaches a conclusion on a prospect. Nobody except Matt Millen, ever relied on only his own opinion.
On Brooks, I have no past experience to judge him on so I am reluctant to completely take his word on a prospect. I'll be watching closely to see how he does at predicting where prospects rank before I add him as a hehe, scout for me..

Saints-Tigers
12-09-2011, 07:09 PM
"I love Blaine Gabbert, even though I haven't seen him play".

-Charlie Casserly

TACKLE
12-09-2011, 07:16 PM
He said something along those lines but I'm almost sure that's not a direct quote.

Iamcanadian
12-09-2011, 07:31 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824e2624/article/top-10-qbs-luck-griffin-barkley-lead-strong-group

49erNation85
12-09-2011, 08:15 PM
At least he has Kellen Moore top ten. Gotta agree there. Too bad he wasn't top five tho. Well he should only because lack of arm strength pff.

Complex
12-09-2011, 08:40 PM
LoL he has E.J. Manuel but not Tyler Wilson. At least he has RGIII ahead of almost everyone.

princefielder28
12-09-2011, 08:55 PM
LoL he has E.J. Manuel but not Tyler Wilson. At least he has RGIII ahead of almost everyone.

I don't think Wilson declares but the fact that his list completely leaves him him absent (i'm assuming he includes all eligible draftees) makes it easier for me to understand why he's an ex-scout

BamaFalcon59
12-11-2011, 10:29 PM
Ingram- Tamba Hali