BaLLiN
12-07-2011, 11:25 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Archie-Manning-questions-how-well-Peyton-and-Luc?urn=nfl-wp13373
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_andrew_luck_peyton_archie_manning_qb120711
"I don't think it'd necessarily be great for either one," Manning the elder [ARCHIE] told Fox Sports Radio. "I think Andrew's the type of mature player ... he can walk right in. I mean, these other three or four [rookie passers] that are playing this year, [if] they can walk in and contribute, Andrew can, too.
"We know Andrew well. He comes down to our camp every year. I used to play with his dad [Oliver, as Houston Oilers quarterbacks in 1982-83]. ... I'm in New York, I heard from him last night.
"Peyton's also tried to help Andrew and kind of be a friend. I doubt if either one want to play on the same team."
"Well, I'm just saying that I don't know, but what I do know about Andrew Luck. I think the world of him, and I'm thinking of the Cam Newtons and Blaine Gabberts and Andy Daltons, who are able to walk right into the NFL and play and perform," Manning the elder said on Wednesday's "Mike & Mike" ESPN Radio program. "I think that group of rookies have played very well, and there's certainly no reason to think that Andrew Luck can't do the same thing.
That's not the only concern for the Colts. Albert Breer of the NFL Network spoke to one NFL scout in October who hypothesized that it wouldn't be out of the question for Oliver Luck to orchestrate a repeat of the 2004 draft.
"There's no question that it could be a Manning thing all over again," the scout told Breer. "Some people know the dad well, and the hands-on approach he has. In Andrew's defense, he seems pretty in control of everything. So I could see it being a mutual decision. And if he can control it, why play behind a [crappy] offensive line, or in a bad situation? He's gonna have that control. If he doesn't like the team there, all he has to do is voice that, and there'll be teams looking to trade up.
For all that the Colts have done for Manning and that Manning has done for the Colts, Archie Manning would be wise to stay out of the whole mess. It was one thing when Archie played hardball with the San Diego Chargers in 2004, forcing the Chargers to deal his younger son Eli to the New York Giants. It’s another thing to put a crowbar between Peyton and the Colts.
Now...Manning is due for 28 million dollars to start the 2012 season (might make him untradeable to other teams). Under rookie payscale, Luck could probably be picked and signed by the colts without having problems making cap. The only problem with that is, why have two starting calbier QB's and only be able to use one? The picks that the Colts could get in a trade for Luck could revitalize their franchise and Manning could last for another 3-4 years, right?
No matter how much scouts whisper sweet nothings about Andrew Luck, he is still unproven, and more importantly he is NOT Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning knows this offense, he's practically the OC. He brought this team just 2 years ago to the Superbowl, yet now without him they are about to go 0-16. He cannot be replaced, at least not immediately.
As most of us feel, your team is only going to go as your quarterback takes them. There are some discrepancies, but the teams that make it far in the playoffs have great quarterbacks.
If Indianapolis chooses to trade away their pick and neglect the quarterback position, they might find themselves with more seasons like this 2011 season. Manning's health still should be questioned, and even if he holds up for a few more years, is there a prospect out there of Luck's caliber?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_andrew_luck_peyton_archie_manning_qb120711
"I don't think it'd necessarily be great for either one," Manning the elder [ARCHIE] told Fox Sports Radio. "I think Andrew's the type of mature player ... he can walk right in. I mean, these other three or four [rookie passers] that are playing this year, [if] they can walk in and contribute, Andrew can, too.
"We know Andrew well. He comes down to our camp every year. I used to play with his dad [Oliver, as Houston Oilers quarterbacks in 1982-83]. ... I'm in New York, I heard from him last night.
"Peyton's also tried to help Andrew and kind of be a friend. I doubt if either one want to play on the same team."
"Well, I'm just saying that I don't know, but what I do know about Andrew Luck. I think the world of him, and I'm thinking of the Cam Newtons and Blaine Gabberts and Andy Daltons, who are able to walk right into the NFL and play and perform," Manning the elder said on Wednesday's "Mike & Mike" ESPN Radio program. "I think that group of rookies have played very well, and there's certainly no reason to think that Andrew Luck can't do the same thing.
That's not the only concern for the Colts. Albert Breer of the NFL Network spoke to one NFL scout in October who hypothesized that it wouldn't be out of the question for Oliver Luck to orchestrate a repeat of the 2004 draft.
"There's no question that it could be a Manning thing all over again," the scout told Breer. "Some people know the dad well, and the hands-on approach he has. In Andrew's defense, he seems pretty in control of everything. So I could see it being a mutual decision. And if he can control it, why play behind a [crappy] offensive line, or in a bad situation? He's gonna have that control. If he doesn't like the team there, all he has to do is voice that, and there'll be teams looking to trade up.
For all that the Colts have done for Manning and that Manning has done for the Colts, Archie Manning would be wise to stay out of the whole mess. It was one thing when Archie played hardball with the San Diego Chargers in 2004, forcing the Chargers to deal his younger son Eli to the New York Giants. It’s another thing to put a crowbar between Peyton and the Colts.
Now...Manning is due for 28 million dollars to start the 2012 season (might make him untradeable to other teams). Under rookie payscale, Luck could probably be picked and signed by the colts without having problems making cap. The only problem with that is, why have two starting calbier QB's and only be able to use one? The picks that the Colts could get in a trade for Luck could revitalize their franchise and Manning could last for another 3-4 years, right?
No matter how much scouts whisper sweet nothings about Andrew Luck, he is still unproven, and more importantly he is NOT Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning knows this offense, he's practically the OC. He brought this team just 2 years ago to the Superbowl, yet now without him they are about to go 0-16. He cannot be replaced, at least not immediately.
As most of us feel, your team is only going to go as your quarterback takes them. There are some discrepancies, but the teams that make it far in the playoffs have great quarterbacks.
If Indianapolis chooses to trade away their pick and neglect the quarterback position, they might find themselves with more seasons like this 2011 season. Manning's health still should be questioned, and even if he holds up for a few more years, is there a prospect out there of Luck's caliber?