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SchizophrenicBatman
12-11-2011, 09:11 PM
Bill Polian pulls a Bill Polian and gifts your team the #1 pick. Your QB depth chart is Tyler Palko, Curtis Painter and Jimmy Clausen. Who do you take?

Hurricanes25
12-11-2011, 09:13 PM
Andrew Luck. 100 out of 100 times.

niel89
12-11-2011, 09:13 PM
Andrew Luck every time. RGIII's stock is super high right now but I don't think he is even close to Luck.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-11-2011, 09:17 PM
I expect this to be a blowout.

I'm curious whether it's an Alabama vs Georgia State level blowout or an Alabama vs middle school flag football team level blowout.

And also what the difference is from today and the month of the draft

Halsey
12-11-2011, 09:24 PM
Inevitably there will be fans who will argue that Griffin is a better prospect. I doubt that's even a debate for actual NFL teams, however. Luck is the easy choice and a lock to go #1.

Bulldogs
12-11-2011, 09:41 PM
Everybody is always trying to knock the top guy, but it's Luck. RGIII is my 3rd behind Barkley also, but I absolutely love all three.

MetSox17
12-12-2011, 12:16 AM
Would be very surprised if it isn't a shutout in favor of Luck, like it should be.

DcmRulz
12-12-2011, 12:35 AM
I wonder who was the 1. I mean, congrats to RG3 for winning the Heisman and all, but...it is not even remotely close.

soybean
12-12-2011, 12:35 AM
I expect this to be a blowout.

I'm curious whether it's an Alabama vs Georgia State level blowout or an Alabama vs middle school flag football team level blowout.

And also what the difference is from today and the month of the draft

haha no you don't. You wouldn't have asked if you did.

I would take Luck over Griffin even if Luck tore an ACL.

Also, I'm pretty sure I know who voted for RGIII, the guy who made the thread.

descendency
12-12-2011, 02:23 AM
Luck, but I think some people are seriously under-rating how high RGIII's stock is right now. It could depend on who declares, but I could see him going top 5.

He's going to test really well and he will interview really well. His tape is a similar mix (not his playing, but his tape) to that of Newton's last year. Not a lot of plays that you expect to see in the NFL, but he does flash that ability.

I've got a feeling he could go as high as #2 overall if the right team is in that slot.

SickwithIt1010
12-12-2011, 02:47 AM
Griffen isnt even the 2nd best QB in this class...

Saints-Tigers
12-12-2011, 02:52 AM
Griffin is better than Matt Barkley at football and life.

Iamcanadian
12-12-2011, 03:03 AM
Luck, but I think some people are seriously under-rating how high RGIII's stock is right now. It could depend on who declares, but I could see him going top 5.

He's going to test really well and he will interview really well. His tape is a similar mix (not his playing, but his tape) to that of Newton's last year. Not a lot of plays that you expect to see in the NFL, but he does flash that ability.

I've got a feeling he could go as high as #2 overall if the right team is in that slot.

I agree, if he works out well, He could easily go #2 in the draft, because his intangibles are very close to Luck's. IMO, Barkley will give him a battle though.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-12-2011, 06:09 AM
haha no you don't. You wouldn't have asked if you did.

I would take Luck over Griffin even if Luck tore an ACL.

Also, I'm pretty sure I know who voted for RGIII, the guy who made the thread.

...ok

I typically dont vote in threads I make

killxswitch
12-12-2011, 08:03 AM
1. Luck

2. Barkley
3. RG3


4. Ryan Tannehill
5. Landry Jones

Razor
12-12-2011, 08:11 AM
I'd go with RGIII here... I just think his ceiling is way above Luck's.

bruschis4all
12-12-2011, 08:11 AM
1. Luck

2. Barkley
3. RG3


4. Ryan Tannehill
5. Landry Jones

Good way of putting it. I see 4 top 10 teams needing to address qb; Indy, Miami, Washington and Cleveland. I see two of them trading up to 2nd and 3rd to get their guy.

FUNBUNCHER
12-12-2011, 08:20 AM
IF the Skins don't get jumped in the draft, he's going to Washington. That's nearly an absolute death certain lock.

I don't think there's any way Luck can live up to his hype. Not only is he expected to be statistically dominant, Luck also comes with the expectation he's going to win multiple SBs.

I don't think any prospect has entered the NFL with more hype or expectations than Andrew Luck.

FUNBUNCHER
12-12-2011, 08:30 AM
Good way of putting it. I see 4 top 10 teams needing to address qb; Indy, Miami, Washington and Cleveland. I see two of them trading up to 2nd and 3rd to get their guy.

I don't think he meant all of them ae going top 5. That was a list of rating.
Luck/RGIII/Barkley probably all do go top 5, but the others will be lucky to be taken in the teens if not out of the first round completely.

Man, if the Skins have to TRADE up from the 4th or 5th pick to secure RGIII/Barkley, that sucks.

jrdrylie
12-12-2011, 08:49 AM
There is at least one NFL GM that thinks RGIII is better than Luck.

killxswitch
12-12-2011, 10:22 AM
I don't think he meant all of them ae going top 5. That was a list of rating.
Luck/RGIII/Barkley probably all do go top 5, but the others will be lucky to be taken in the teens if not out of the first round completely.

Man, if the Skins have to TRADE up from the 4th or 5th pick to secure RGIII/Barkley, that sucks.

Yes I was just rating the top 5 QBs. Luck is clear #1, Barkely and RG3 are close 2 and 3, then after a big gap in talent/readiness, you have Tanehill and Jones.

Complex
12-12-2011, 10:52 AM
RGIII(10 char)

HorusKing
12-12-2011, 10:57 AM
I like both players but the Andrew Luck hype machine has been churning for the past 3 season and he is a lot like RGIII but with more size and they are equal in athletic ability and arm strength. I think that Luck will go #1 the question is who will have the better NFL career and what system that they play in is key, look both kids threw for over 70% completion rate this season. The numbers were better for RGIII 3998 passing yards 36 TD's 6 INT's 644 yds rushing 9 TD's vs. Andrew Luck 3170 passing yards 35 TD's 9 INT's 154 yds rushing 2 td's.

HorusKing
12-12-2011, 11:07 AM
The key at judging both players is what did they do in previous season and again they both are no fluke the stats below tell the story and I think that Matt Barkley is an awesome prospect as well but I think that he is the 3rd best prospect out of the 3 QB's as he as more talent at USC to allow him to thrive than the other 2 QB's schools have tougher academic standards and can't get the same type of athletes that Barkley has at his disposal.


RGIII -

Season Passing Rushing Receiving Total Offense
Comp Att Yds Pct TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Yards
2011* 267 369 3,998 72.4% 36 6 192.3 161 644 4.0 49 9 1 15 15 4,657

2010 304 454 3,501 67% 22 8 144.2 149 635 4.3 71 8 0 0 0 4,145



Andrew Luck -


2010 263 372 3,338 70.7% 32 8 170.2 55 453 8.2 58 3 0 0 0 3,791


2011 (12 games) 261 373 3,170 70.0% 35 9 167.5 43 153 3.6 17 2 1 13 13.0 3,323

descendency
12-12-2011, 11:58 AM
Griffen isnt even the 2nd best QB in this class...

"It depends on who declares"

vidae
12-12-2011, 11:59 AM
Yeah this is easy.. it's Luck every time. RG3 has a lot of momentum right now, but he isn't in the same league as Andrew Luck.

ElectricEye
12-12-2011, 11:59 AM
RGIII vs. Barkley would be a much better question, even though I think that's a relatively easy one too.

Saints-Tigers
12-12-2011, 01:28 PM
RGIII vs. Barkley would be a much better question, even though I think that's a relatively easy one too.

I haven't seen anyone on the "RGIII easily" side of this debate, but I notice you really like him, so I'm assuming you'd take him over Barkley here?

Saints-Tigers
12-12-2011, 01:30 PM
Is it weird that I think Griffin will have a better on and off field resume(which says a lot) and will look better at the combine, but I'd still take Luck easily?

Weird right? These guys have amazing off the field resumes.

ElectricEye
12-12-2011, 01:32 PM
I haven't seen anyone on the "RGIII easily" side of this debate, but I notice you really like him, so I'm assuming you'd take him over Barkley here?

Absolutely. I suppose it isn't as easy for everyone, but based on what I've seen from the two of them, it's a fairly easy decision for me. I really like both of them, but the potential ceiling for Griffin is much higher than Barkley...and their floors are a lot closer than people realize as well. I like Griffin's intangibles a lot better too, although those certainly aren't a problem for Barkley either.

Saints-Tigers
12-12-2011, 01:37 PM
It's hard to envision a guy that has huge upside, a great head on his shoulders, and outstanding work ethic being a failure. Not everyone will hit their max, but I can't see Griffin not being very good, with game breaking potential.

I don't think Barkley has that type of upside, and I don't see anything he does ridiculously well.... I dunno, I wasn't a fan of Sanchez coming out, and I like Barkley a little more.

dannyz
12-12-2011, 06:10 PM
I think both guys will be Great in the NFL but I see Luck as a Potential HOF while I see Griffin as a Guy who will be a Pro Bowler almost every year and a All Pro every other year. I Hope both play for the Next 15 Years.

killxswitch
12-13-2011, 10:10 AM
I think both guys will be Great in the NFL but I see Luck as a Potential HOF while I see Griffin as a Guy who will be a Pro Bowler almost every year and a All Pro every other year. I Hope both play for the Next 15 Years.

A perennial Pro Bowler and All Pro QB sounds like a HoF QB to me.

Cardinal96
12-13-2011, 10:22 AM
Andrew Luck and it isn't even close.

Iamcanadian
12-13-2011, 10:23 AM
A perennial Pro Bowler and All Pro QB sounds like a HoF QB to me.

I agree, me too.

Halsey
12-13-2011, 02:31 PM
Griffin is talented, but I don't see him as off the charts in NFL terms. He's a good athlete and throws some nice passes, but he isn't 'off the charts'. Not that a QB needs to be an elite talent to be an elite NFL QB.

FUNBUNCHER
12-13-2011, 02:34 PM
I think RGIII is being severely underrated as a passer, his ability to throw with pinpoint accuracy short, intermediate and long.

That ability for Griffin IS elite IMO.

Razor
12-13-2011, 02:44 PM
Griffin is talented, but I don't see him as off the charts in NFL terms. He's a good athlete and throws some nice passes, but he isn't 'off the charts'. Not that a QB needs to be an elite talent to be an elite NFL QB.

I hope this is just a bad joke. Griffin arguably throws the prettiest deep ball in college football, he has elite athleticism, he's very, very intelligent and a respected leader who works very hard. Basically, he's everything you look for and more. Now, he is a bit short. But that shouldn't hold him back in the NFL imo. There are lots of 6'2" QBs who has done very well in the NFL and since his height is about the only knock on him your statement is 100% false. Griffin is "off the charts" and I would rather have him than Luck. There, I said it. Griffin is extremely accurate and makes very few mistakes - probably the two most important things when assessing a QB prospect. I was down on him before this season, but not any more. I think he'll end up a better player than Luck, which doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be a better traditional QB.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-13-2011, 03:46 PM
FWIW I was expecting 85/15 and it's currently 90/10

If the media tries to paint this as a real debate as we go through the offseason I'll put up another poll the month of the draft. Would not be surprised if that one trends to 75/25. Just the nature of the draft

And for soybean - I personally think there's a much better chance Barkley goes above Griffin than Griffin above Luck. And that's pretty much where I fall in terms of opinion of the 3 guys as QBs, too. Luck is the clear #1, Barkley is good but his ceiling is limited imo and Griffin is the new ***** but sometimes the new ***** turns out to be Ryan Leaf

No_
12-13-2011, 04:03 PM
RG3 is definitely the 3rd quarterback to me (unless Tyler Wilson declares). I don't think it is a debate between him and Luck. I'd take Barkley any day over Luck though.