Redskins offer No. 6 overall pick for Briggs

[GiantRutgersFan]

KFFL posted: Redskins | Redskins | Team offers No. 6 overall pick for Briggs
Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:10:10 -0700

Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Washington Redskins have offered the No. 6 overall pick to the Chicago Bears for LB Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick, according to agent Drew Rosenhaus.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558














Wow....

[Geo]

What on Earth?

[critesy]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:


baaah waahhh, blasphemy.

[d34ng3l021]

Well it does leave more options for the Falcons. I am all for it.

[critesy]

that makes briggs worth the 16th pick in this draft. omgz

[Windy]

WOW. That is crazy.

[princefielder28]

WOW!!!!! I don't know what to think of that. It would be a big time win for the Bears considering Briggs has no desire to be there

[GB12]

****, that better be false.

[portis_clinton]

I don't think they could do it without adding something else.

6 = 1600

31 = 600

Lance Briggs = 1000? I don't think so.


With that said, one of our biggest defensive problems was just tackling. I wouldn't be in favor of this trade, but I wouldn't be extremely mad if it happened.

[bills_red]

They move up 25 spots in the 1st I would do it.

[Daonly]

Who you think the bears will target at numnber 6? Quinn? Peterson,mauybe landry?

[America]

Wow I just saw that on NFL.com. Skins are morons, what a god awful trade. I would have no respect for them at all if they pulled that trade. Then they'd have to pay tons and tons of money for him too. I'd expect Briggs, this years first and a conditional, plus next years 1st. We're talkin serious amounts going from the 31st overall to 6th.

[GiantRutgersFan]

I think if the bears get up there, they gotta find a way to take Quinn if hes available past #2.

They have been lacking a franchise QB forever...

[senormysterioso]

by letting Thomas Jones go it seems that the Bears like what they have in Cedric Benson and Adrian Peterson. Immediately I thought LaRon Landry. Maybe Levi Brown? Okoye? Branch? Ginn?

[GB12]

Who you think the bears will target at numnber 6? Quinn? Peterson,mauybe landry?

If it happens, as much as most Bears fans don't like it, you will probably see this man in Chicago.

http://boifromtroy.com/wp-content/Brady_Quinn.jpg

[Kurve]

i could see them picking up laundry if they had the 6th pick

[Smooth Criminal]

I'd love to see it happen. I'm guessing Washington would get a 3rd rounder or something to. because they did say they were looking to trade down, I just didn't know it was this far.

Bears need to find a way to get up to #2 and get Quinn. Rumor was that the Lions wanted to get down to 5 or 6 to get 1 of the DEs so they might be able to pull something off.

[Maddenhero]

I think if the bears get up there, they gotta find a way to take Quinn if hes available past #2.

They have been lacking a franchise QB forever...

Technicallly this was Rex Grossman's "rookie" season.. If he does bad this season, there's no excuses. Grossman is their franchise quarterback for now, you can't judge him after his "first" season.

[Chucky]

I'd love to see it happen. I'm guessing Washington would get a 3rd rounder or something to. because they did say they were looking to trade down, I just didn't know it was this far.

Bears need to find a way to get up to #2 and get Quinn. Rumor was that the Lions wanted to get down to 5 or 6 to get 1 of the DEs so they might be able to pull something off.

Do u guys think the bears could also take CJ if they moved up to 2

[PACKmanN]

NO, If the redskins do this ill be pissed, they dont need to make the Bears any more better.

[BuckNaked]

If it happens, as much as most Bears fans don't like it, you will probably see this man in Chicago.

http://boifromtroy.com/wp-content/Brady_Quinn.jpg

Look at him flexing his biceps for the camera.

[407Niner]

I'd love to see it happen. I'm guessing Washington would get a 3rd rounder or something to. because they did say they were looking to trade down, I just didn't know it was this far.

Bears need to find a way to get up to #2 and get Quinn. Rumor was that the Lions wanted to get down to 5 or 6 to get 1 of the DEs so they might be able to pull something off.

From what I see the Lions on Draft Day could possibly end up trading back to 4 so the Bucs can secure CJ obvisously if Oakland doesn't grab him and they could just pick Gaines Adams there.

[SFbear]

Oh. My. God. Please pull the trigger.

This may be true because NFL network reported that Briggs and his agent met with Angelo today.

We have been speculating in the Bears forum that Angelo might trade up now that he has job security and can take more risks. Rex Grossman is a FA after this year and Angelo hasnt been as high on him as Lovie.

[bearsfan_51]

A couple of things.

1)I don't believe it. Rosenhaus has been saying that numerous teams are interested, including the Redskins, and all teams have subsequently denied it.

2)If it is....holy ******* ****.

3)I would love Brady Quinn, but it won't happen. I really have no idea who we would target at 6. That would be interesting.

[BigDawg819]

If this happens the Redskins can officially say they have no have no interest in building from within and will mortgage each season as a must win. This is ridiculous and the league needs to make Snyder sell the franchise. Of course it would be a steal for the Bears....

[Xiomera]

i could see them picking up laundry if they had the 6th pick


:confused: A trade of these ramifications, and all you care about is laundry? LOL

[GB12]

Technicallly this was Rex Grossman's "rookie" season.. If he does bad this season, there's no excuses. Grossman is their franchise quarterback for now, you can't judge him after his "first" season.

No, technically it was his 4th. The fact that he just got through his first full season in his 4th doesn't look to good. You have to worry about if he is going to go the full year. Yes he had an ok season, but is that what you want from a QB? Grossman is around the low middle of starting QBs, and while he is still young I don't know if he can get much better. They would be just as well of had Griese been the QB. Now congrats on being the starting QB of a Superbowl team, but he is definitely not irreplaceable. Maybe they should give him another year, but the Bears are ready to win now. Why jeopradize your chance at actually winning a Superbowl when you're so close. Now I know you can't predict how Quinn will do, but with good QB play that is a great team.

[bearsfan_51]

If this happens the Redskins can officially say they have no have no interest in building from within and will mortgage each season as a must win. This is ridiculous and the league needs to make Snyder sell the franchise. Of course it would be a steal for the Bears....
Woah woah woah...let's be fair here.

Briggs is like 25, and is going to be a semi-elite player for many many years to come. From a purely football standpoint he's a much more sure bet for the longterm than a pick that you don't know will pan out.

So...actually...it's not a bad trade for the Redskins for a value perspective, I'm just shocked we could pull off a deal of this magnitude.

What a hugely positive week this has been so far.

[Smokey Joe]

ZOMG!!!!!! Think of the possibilities! 31 and Briggs for 6... omg, I could fondle myself to the thought of that. OMG, I need to look at some of the possibilities!

[B-Dawk]

could the bears look DT? harris and okoye would be pretty sick

[portis_clinton]

The Bears would have to add in their rookie DE at least. I would be so angry if we did this trade straight up.

[senormysterioso]

The Redskins are fairly loaded at linebacker, I don't understand this. Not to say they couldn't improve but they have London Fletcher, Lemar Marshall, Jeff Posey, Marcus Washington, Rocky Macintosh, Warrick Holdman, Khary Cambell. Unless they're planning on making a 2-5 defense or something I don't really understand why they would pull this trade off.

[bearsfan_51]

The Bears would have to add in their rookie DE at least. I would be so angry if we did this trade straight up.
It's not straight up, we'd be giving up the 31st pick too.

[bearsfan_51]

The Redskins are fairly loaded at linebacker, I don't understand this. Not to say they couldn't improve but they have London Fletcher, Lemar Marshall, Jeff Posey, Marcus Washington, Rocky Macintosh, Warrick Holdman, Khary Cambell. Unless they're planning on making a 2-5 defense or something I don't really understand why they would pull this trade off.
Not a single one of those players could even sniff Briggs' jockstrap.

Warrick Holdman? Come on...

[dhoe20]

Can I get a link to the value scale? Google ain't giving me anything.

[portis_clinton]

It's not straight up, we'd be giving up the 31st pick too.

I know, but that still leaves a 1000 point gap, and I don't think Briggs is worth a full 1000 points. That DE or a 3rd-ish round pick could cover the rest.

[Smokey Joe]

These are the only possibilities I see...

Jamaal Anderson - Ogunleye is comming of a mediocre season, to say the least. Jamaal Anderson would be an instant upgrade, IMO
Gaines Adams - doubt he is there, but if he is, you can't pass on him
LaRon Landry - Would love to have him, but I don't know where he would fit in
Amobi Okoye - Harris and Okoye??? Pretty damn sick!
Alan Branch - see above
Brady Quinn - I kinda doubt it, but I wouldn't mind it.
Levi Brown - probably a big reach, but a future OT is needed badly


I wouldn't mind a trade down either. The Bears could move down to about to pick 15-20 possibly, and gain some extra picks between rounds 2-5.

I so hope this happens... JA would officially be known as god if this does happen.

[senormysterioso]

I said that Briggs would be an upgrade but how many linebackers can you afford to carry? All those guys are players that deserve snaps.

[etk]

This trade makes absolutely no sense for the Redskins. They need to improve their pass rush, and they are positioned almost perfectly in the draft. They just got Fletcher and drafted McIntosh with their first pick last year. They haven't cut any of their former starters either, and Washington is one of the best OLBs in the league when healthy.

Not only do they not need Briggs at all, it is a horrible trade value-wise too.

I understand the excitement in the eyes of a Bears fan right now, but stop being delusional and look at the facts. It won't happen. If it does, I will vomit in disgust at Dan Snyder and his management, and the Bears will become my 2nd favourite team.

[critesy]

Can I get a link to the value scale? Google ain't giving me anything.


been posted a few times already, look after the past's post or just goto the features part on scotts home page.


or i could tell you, but what kind of guy would i be then?

[bearsfan_51]

I don't see how in the world we could justify drafting a DE with the players we already have.

Anyway, like I already said, considering that some of this came from Rosenbriggs I'm going to wait a while before I believe it.

That being said, my main preference would be to wait and see if the Raiders/Lions pass on Calvin Johnson and if so offer our whole first day and maybe a 2nd next year to trade up with Cleveland for Calvin Johnson. It's a hell of a lot but the dude is so sick I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[myinnerself]

Note that this was put out there by Drew Rosenhaus. Agents love to blow smoke and make it seem like their client is getting tons of looks. If the Redskins are that stupid, I just don't know what to say.

[bearsfan_51]

I understand the excitement in the eyes of a Bears fan right now, but stop being delusional and look at the facts. It won't happen. If it does, I will vomit in disgust at Dan Snyder and his management, and the Bears will become my 2nd favourite team.
I've already said I doubt it, but how is it delusional when numerous front office people from the Redskins are publicly discussing it. It sounds at least pretty possible that they are talking turkey, and they don't have any other picks to make it happen.

[Smokey Joe]

I don't see how in the world we could justify drafting a DE with the players we already have.

Anyway, like I already said, considering that some of this came from Rosenbriggs I'm going to wait a while before I believe it.

That being said, my main preference would be to wait and see if the Raiders/Lions pass on Calvin Johnson and if so offer our whole first day and maybe a 2nd next year to trade up with Cleveland for Calvin Johnson. It's a hell of a lot but the dude is so sick I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Calvin Johnson would instantly become our no. 1, IMO... omg, I feel like I am living in madden right now!

[SFbear]

Possible players Bears would target at the 6th

1. B. Quinn
2. J.Thomas if he fell past Cardinals
3. G. Adams - Lovie covets impact pass rushers and our starting DE's looked pretty impotent when Tommie went down
4. A. Branch - Goodbye Tank Johnson. Doesnt have the knd of motor we look for on D-line but is a huge athletic NT prospect that would take on double teams and free up Tommie to wreak havoc
5. L. Landry - This would probably guarantee Mike Brown being cut so Im going to pretend that this won't happen.

[NIN1984]

Not shocking at all, that Redskins would do something like this.

[etk]

I don't see how in the world we could justify drafting a DE with the players we already have.

Anyway, like I already said, considering that some of this came from Rosenbriggs I'm going to wait a while before I believe it.

That being said, my main preference would be to wait and see if the Raiders/Lions pass on Calvin Johnson and if so offer our whole first day and maybe a 2nd next year to trade up with Cleveland for Calvin Johnson. It's a hell of a lot but the dude is so sick I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Grr! I'm starting to hate these trade rumours. Don't even think about it Bears fans.....

Why couldn't we win that damn coin flip!

[BlindSite]

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Washington's GM should be killed.

[GB12]

Calvin Johnson would instantly become our no. 1, IMO... omg, I feel like I am living in madden right now!
In your opinion? I think in almost everyones opinion, I don't see how you could argue. CJ would be the number one on quite a few teams.

[TitleTown088]

damn you redskins. Damn you to hell!!!!

[critesy]

The Redskins are fairly loaded at linebacker, I don't understand this. Not to say they couldn't improve but they have London Fletcher - getting older, Lemar Marshall - not the greatest tackler, Jeff Posey - old veteran, Marcus Washington - almost 30, but still amazing, Rocky McIntosh - will be a stud soon, Warrick Holdman - warrick who, Khary Cambell - special teams at best.. Unless they're planning on making a 2-5 defense or something I don't really understand why they would pull this trade off.



well, thats what i think of the LB core

[SFbear]

I've already said I doubt it, but how is it delusional when numerous front office people from the Redskins are publicly discussing it. It sounds at least pretty possible that they are talking turkey, and they don't have any other picks to make it happen.

Also Briggs and Rosenhause met with JA today, after JA has said publicly that long term contract negotiations are over.

[bearsfan_51]

By the way, after re-reading the article I think it has a lot more bite.

When asked about such an offer Redskins owner Dan Snyder confirmed to FOXSports.com that he in fact wanted to make the move and they were waiting to talk to Chicago. In fact, Snyder spent a couple of minutes talking to Briggs, who showed up with Rosenhaus at the meeting.

Snyder and football operations man Vinny Cerato left to find head coach Joe Gibbs regarding the deal. But before leaving Rosenhaus informed Cerato that he in fact spoke with the Bears and they were waiting an official call from the Redskins.


Considering that the Redskins have no other picks to talk turkey, that's probably the deal.


All this being said, I really don't think it's THAT bad of a trade. Briggs is a top 5 linebacker in my opinion. He's not some regular joe. Most of you guys were ******** bricks about how cheap the Bears when they wouldn't give him an extension and now he's dirt cause the Redskins are interested in him?

I can't believe I'm sort of sticking up for the Redskins.

[etk]

Those spaces must have been brutal to type, BlindSite......

[Chucky]

Can u imagine a DT pairing of Branch at NT and Tommie at UT. OMG that would be impossible to stop

[Chucky]

By the way, after re-reading the article I think it has a lot more bite.



Considering that the Redskins have no other picks to talk turkey, that's probably the deal.


All this being said, I really don't think it's THAT bad of a trade. Briggs is a top 5 linebacker in my opinion. He's not some regular joe. Most of you guys were ******** bricks about how cheap the Bears when they wouldn't give him an extension and now he's dirt cause the Redskins are interested in him?

I can't believe I'm sort of sticking up for the Redskins.


There is no way briggs is a top 5 LB, im sorry thats just an overstatement

[critesy]

well. he IS proven and such...although he could get redskins off season syndrome and just suck. bleh.

i actually dont mind it that much...but eh, we need d-line so bad.

[SFbear]

By the way, after re-reading the article I think it has a lot more bite.



Considering that the Redskins have no other picks to talk turkey, that's probably the deal.


All this being said, I really don't think it's THAT bad of a trade. Briggs is a top 5 linebacker in my opinion. He's not some regular joe. Most of you guys were ******** bricks about how cheap the Bears when they wouldn't give him an extension and now he's dirt cause the Redskins are interested in him?

I can't believe I'm sort of sticking up for the Redskins.

If I were the Redskins I would be asking for Ogunleye along with Briggs. That would seem more reasonable. Or Idonije for that matter.

[Smokey Joe]

If I were the Redskins I would be asking for Ogunleye along with Briggs. That would seem more reasonable.
Or Alex Brown... JA and Lovie don't seem to be very high on him at all lately, and it looks like Mark Anderson will take the starting spot next year, IMO.

[bearsfan_51]

If I were the Redskins I would be asking for Ogunleye along with Briggs. That would seem more reasonable. Or Idonije for that matter.
I would guess some residuals are possible. Trading O-Gun seems very unlikely to me. Especially because they said Alex Brown's spot would be up for grabs with Mark Anderson.

I'd give Idonije up for sure. He's not going anywhere on this team anyway. Should have just let him go to Buffalo and saved a few million.

[Windy]

Of all the media "insiders" in the NFL, Jay Glazer has been one of the most reliable this year.

[etk]

Or Alex Brown... JA and Lovie don't seem to be very high on him at all lately, and it looks like Mark Anderson will take the starting spot next year, IMO.

Mark Anderson & Ogunleye would be the worst DE combo against the run......

[bearsfan_51]

There is no way briggs is a top 5 LB, im sorry thats just an overstatement
It's an opinion. Past Urlacher and Merriman I don't think there are many elite linebackers in the NFL right now.

[jkpigskin]

well, the redskins are probably the worst run team in the nfl... they lost my respect a long time ago, but this is a new level of loss respect

[bearsfan_51]

Of all the media "insiders" in the NFL, Jay Glazer has been one of the most reliable this year.And Schefter, which makes it more valid to me.

If it was Mort I would buy it much less. Schefter works for the NFL. He doesn't report stuff without solid insight.

[bearsfan_51]

Mark Anderson & Ogunleye would be the worst DE combo against the run......
Says the man whose team has Simeon Rice as one of it's premier players.

Mark Anderson = Simeon Rice.

[SFbear]

So this is what it feels like to be a Denver Broncos fan in the offseason.

[Smokey Joe]

Mark Anderson & Ogunleye would be the worst DE combo against the run......

Not necessarily, especially if Jamaal Anderson is the pick at 6...

[Vikes99ej]

Please, Lord, let this happen. Anything that gives us a better shot at Gaines Adams.

[Smokey Joe]

OMG!!! I just realized that if both Harris and Branch were starting as the DT, and if Branch is as good as advertized, they'd both require double teams => Urlacher would have a beastly season, and so would the DE's...

[etk]

Says the man whose team has Simeon Rice as one of it's premier players.

Mark Anderson = Simeon Rice.

If he continues to develop, sure. Right now he has the speed moves from the edge, but he doesn't have the savvy to strip the ball and the complete pass rush arsenal.

The difference is that we use Simeon opposite a player like Greg Spires who is a good run-stopper. 2 Simeons and our defense would implode. He is better against the run than Ogunleye & Anderson anyway. The Bears can probably get away with it if their box stays healthy, but I wouldn't advise playing Mark Anderson on 3 downs unless he bulks up a lot.

[critesy]

if they add in their 2nd, briggs would be around the 25th pick

or

add in the 3rd and its around the 19th pick then.


please if this happens give us some more picks...although we will probably pick a name out of hat for the extra picks you give us.

[bearsfan_51]

There are punters that are better at stopping the run than Rice. The only DE I can think of that is worse is KGB.

O-Gun isn't that bad either. He's not a lightweight like Anderson is (who is weak against the run for sure).

[portis_clinton]

Since the Redskins have most of the leverage, I would be mad if they don't get Anderson or Odelaguwaya.

[bearsfan_51]

if they add in their 2nd, briggs would be around the 25th pick

or

add in the 3rd and its around the 19th pick then.


please if this happens give us some more picks...although we will probably pick a name out of hat for the extra picks you give us.

No way would we give up both our high picks. There's really no incentive for us to move into the top 10. Who is there that we really need?

The third I would be fine with.

[Yung Flippa]

I don't know why the Redskins are doing this.
At number 6 they could get a better player such as Gaines Adams or Jamaal Anderson
But if they do pull the trigger on this trade
I bet the Bears will take Brady Quinn at number 6

[Vikes99ej]

The Bears would be stupid to pick up another DE. They have Anderson, Ogunleye, and Alex Brown. I can't see them getting Alan Branch, either. He just doesn't strike me as a Cover 2 DT. The Quinn possibility definitely interests me.

[etk]

There are punters that are better at stopping the run than Rice. The only DE I can think of that is worse is KGB.

O-Gun isn't that bad either. He's not a lightweight like Anderson is (who is weak against the run for sure).

I guess you could say so. Brian Moorman is one tough dude, and Josh Bidwell is god. That still doesn't change the fact that Rice is a better run-stopper than Ogunleye. Like you said, the only starting DE I can think of that's worse than him is KGB, and Leonard Little. Rice is still very weak against the run though, so it's no competition worth winning.

[bearsfan_51]

The Bears would be stupid to pick up another DE. They have Anderson, Ogunleye, and Alex Brown. I can't see them getting Alan Branch, either. He just doesn't strike me as a Cover 2 DT. The Quinn possibility definitely interests me.

I agree on the DE.

As for Branch, I'd accept Branch. Pat Williams isn't a typical Tampa 2 DT and he's done wonders for Kevin Williams and the Vikings run D. Tommie and Branch would be sick.

IF this happens, my wish list would be as such.

1)Trade 6th, 37th, and 3rd rounder to Cleveland to take Calvin Johnson
2)Trade down 6-7 spots and pick up another 2nd rounder. Take a player like Levi Brown, Paul Poz, or (gulp) Greg Olsen.
3)Brady Quinn
4)Laron Landry
5)Alan Branch
6)Levi Brown (it's a reach..but eh...)

[evershot]

Since the Redskins have most of the leverage, I would be mad if they don't get Anderson or Odelaguwaya.

Why would the Redskins have more leverage? They are the ones who want to trade for Briggs. The Bears seemed to be very content on letting Briggs play out a year on his franchised tag.

There isn't a player at the 6th spot that would be worth 2 players of starter quality AND a first round draft pick.

[etk]

The Bears would be stupid to pick up another DE. They have Anderson, Ogunleye, and Alex Brown. I can't see them getting Alan Branch, either. He just doesn't strike me as a Cover 2 DT. The Quinn possibility definitely interests me.

I think Branch is best suited as a Cover 2 NT. He's not the kind of 3-4 plugger that many think he is, he is more finesse-like and has good quickness. Chicago would be a perfect fit for him, absolutely perfect.

[bearfan]

If this does go down, I wouldnt mind BQ, but that would totally underly whatever faith we have in Grossman. Maybe we could somehow manage to trade up for Calvin if he slips past the Raiders (Lions-no, Browns-Edwards,Bucs-Clayton/Galloway=not biggest need, Cards-No) or we could trade down and pick up some picks as well. Anyways, I hope to the lord that this goes down

[Non_Sequitur]

Good trade for the Bears if it happens. Do it.

[TCU]

If this is true and the Bears dont take it, i would be amazed. To get the 6th overall for trading away someone who right now means nothing to your franchise, thats a deal for Chicago. And i dont even want to see the deal Briggs will get in Washington.

[bearsfan_51]

On a side note, how stupid are the Ravens for not franchising Adalius Thomas?

Jesus Christ..

[evershot]

I think Branch is best suited as a Cover 2 NT. He's not the kind of 3-4 plugger that many think he is, he is more finesse-like and has good quickness. Chicago would be a perfect fit for him, absolutely perfect.

I love the sarcasm.

[TCU]

On a side note, how stupid are the Ravens for not franchising Adalius Thomas?

Jesus Christ..

yeah that did surprise me that they just let him go like that.

[D-Unit]

I don't think this is going to go down. Sounds like a lot of bluffing and posturing.

If Snyder wanted to do this deal, the Bears would've agreed to it in a split second and it would be over by now.

[evershot]

I don't think this is going to go down. Sounds like a lot of bluffing and posturing.

If Snyder wanted to do this deal, the Bears would've agreed to it in a split second and it would be over by now.

When you read the article it sounds like the Bears and Synder are already on board and just need to get Gibbs on board to make an official offer.

How did Glazer get this information? It sounds like he was actually in the Room when Synder, Briggs and Rosenhaus met.

[Geo]

If this happens the Redskins can officially say they have no have no interest in building from within and will mortgage each season as a must win. This is ridiculous and the league needs to make Snyder sell the franchise. Of course it would be a steal for the Bears....
The Redskins are still getting a 1st round draft pick out of this deal, and acquiring a instant starter in Briggs who could help Gibbs before he retires (likely after 2007). It's not that far-fetched.

Or Alex Brown... JA and Lovie don't seem to be very high on him at all lately, and it looks like Mark Anderson will take the starting spot next year, IMO.
Lance Briggs, Alex Brown, and the 31st overall pick for the 6th overall pick? I'd take that. Briggs would cost a pretty penny, but then the immense difference between the 6th overall pick's rookie contract and the 31st's plays into that.

[TitleTown088]

There are punters that are better at stopping the run than Rice. The only DE I can think of that is worse is KGB.



Which coule be why KGB will no longer plays agianst the run.

[bearsfan_51]

I don't think this is going to go down. Sounds like a lot of bluffing and posturing.

If Snyder wanted to do this deal, the Bears would've agreed to it in a split second and it would be over by now.
You'd be suprised by the balls on Jerry Angelo.

Plus these things take time. Like the report said, they were trying to get Gibbs to confirm it, and he probably went to bed shortly after Matlock went off and he finished all his prune juice.

I don't see how, after talking directly to the owner and the GM, that this could be completely false. Do I think it will actually go through? Eh...I'm in the middle.

[bearsfan_51]

Which coule be why KGB will no longer plays agianst the run.

"will no longer plays"??

Tisk tisk....

D-

[Number 10]

I'd crack up if it happened. The Redskins simply don't get it.

[bearsfan_51]

By the way, I'm not as huge on this as a lot of people might think. I've been hoping a deal could be reached. I really like Lance Briggs. He's a hell of a linebacker and would be a good player on anyone's team. You don't get a mutliple-time probowl player in his mid-20's every day.

I guess it just depends on what we'd do with the pick.

[Number 10]

I can see the Bears trading up to #3 to grab CJ... might cost their 2nd and 2008 1st, but might very well be worth it.

[Geo]

How do the Redskins "not get it," as you say?

Brown is a proven starter at DE in this league. Briggs is a proven perennial Pro Bowl LB. The Redskins will still get an excellent player at the 31st overall pick. Mind you, the Redskins are one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to playing rookies, but in this scenario they get two instant contributors in addition to a 1st round prospect.

[Number 10]

How do the Redskins "not get it," as you say?

Brown is a proven starter at DE in this league. Briggs is a proven perennial Pro Bowl LB. The Redskins will still get an excellent player at the 31st overall pick. Mind you, the Redskins are one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to playing rookies, but in this scenario they get two instant contributors in addition to a 1st round prospect.

Where is Brown mentioned?

[D-Unit]

I'd crack up if it happened. The Redskins simply don't get it.
Synder continues to look like a bigger fool every year and the Redskins fans love him for it. I don't know whether to crack up more at Snyder or their fans. LMAO!

[bearsfan_51]

How do the Redskins "not get it," as you say?

Brown is a proven starter at DE in this league. Briggs is a proven perennial Pro Bowl LB. The Redskins will still get an excellent player at the 31st overall pick. Mind you, the Redskins are one of the worst teams in the league when it comes to playing rookies, but in this scenario they get two instant contributors in addition to a 1st round prospect.
At no point was Alex Brown actually mentioned by anyone legit. That was just us bantering.

The deal reportedly on the table is Briggs and #31 for #6.

[Geo]

That is true, although I'd agree in the thinking that the Redskins would/will ask for one of the Bears' older DEs. The Bears wouldn't trade Anderson away anyways.

[Ewing]

If they trade goes down I think Snyder might make a case for being dumber than Millen.

[Bohleive]

On a side note, how stupid are the Ravens for not franchising Adalius Thomas?

Jesus Christ..

Do you have any idea what our salary cap situation is? There's no way we could've afforded him, even this year, and the ravens don't tag their players to lease them for a year. They do that in order to maintain a player-friendly rep so as to better attract FA's, rightly or wrongly. I seriously doubt even some idiot franchise like the skins would've come along and offered up a ridiculous deal including draft picks for a guy who's 30, who they knew the Ravens couldn't really keep anyways, and there's the cap hit from a trade to consider.
Besides, I think people overrate him. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but people expect an 11 sack guy in AD, what you really have is a 6-8 sack guy, unless lined up across from Pryce and Suggs. Bottom line is he was deemed replaceable.

[BigDawg819]

On a side note, how stupid are the Ravens for not franchising Adalius Thomas?

Jesus Christ..

Lets see A.D. wanted and signed a huge contract that would have forced us to cut veterans and hastily restructure contracts or let him go when we have proven time and time again that we can replace impact players. Stupid, I think not, especially when a team lets a situation spiral out of control with a player that was franchised such as Briggs. That is stupid. Besides Terrell Suggs is entering the last year of his contract and is more of a priority to re-sign not to mention we have players such as Jarrett Johnson and our 2nd round pick from 2 years ago in Dan Cody ready to step in and take up the slack left from the loss of Adalius. One must not forget that he basically was a pseudo replacement to offset the loss of Peter Boulware and we have done it with draft picks such as Gary Baxter replacing Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell picking up for Ray Lewis when he was hurt years ago and then when we switched to a 3-4, then a Bart Scott offsetting the loss of Hartwell, and just this past year with a Dawan Landry offsetting the loss of a Will Demps. When it comes to judging talent on defense, no one is better at it then the Ravens, so a stupid decision it was definitely not!

[bearsfan_51]

Do you have any idea what our salary cap situation is? There's no way we could've afforded him, even this year, and the ravens don't tag their players to lease them for a year. They do that in order to maintain a player-friendly rep so as to better attract FA's, rightly or wrongly. I seriously doubt even some idiot franchise like the skins would've come along and offered up a ridiculous deal including draft picks for a guy who's 30, who they knew the Ravens couldn't really keep anyways, and there's the cap hit from a trade to consider.
Besides, I think people overrate him. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but people expect an 11 sack guy in AD, what you really have is a 6-8 sack guy, unless lined up across from Pryce and Suggs. Bottom line is he was deemed replaceable.
Yeeeeeeeeah. And I understand all that. But still.....in THIS market. I'm sure you could have gotten something.

[MP123]

KFFL posted: Redskins | Redskins | Team offers No. 6 overall pick for Briggs
Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:10:10 -0700

Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, reports the Washington Redskins have offered the No. 6 overall pick to the Chicago Bears for LB Lance Briggs and the No. 31 overall pick, according to agent Drew Rosenhaus.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6613558

Wow....

There is no way the Redskins could be that stupid. There's only about a dozen players in the NFL even worth the 6th overall pick. He definitely isn't one of them.

[bearsfan_51]

http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/images/homepage/briggsh1008.jpg

"It's so haaaaaaard. To say gooodbyeeeeeee. To yesterdaaaaaaay"

*Tear*

[SFbear]

There is no way the Redskins could be that stupid. There's only about a dozen players in the NFL even worth the 6th overall pick. He definitely isn't one of them.

Its a swap of first round picks, 6th for the 31st. That values Briggs around a mid first.

[bearsfan_51]

There is no way the Redskins could be that stupid. There's only about a dozen players in the NFL even worth the 6th overall pick. He definitely isn't one of them.
It's the 16th pick. And there are probably a dozen quarterbacks worth that.


**** people. Matt Schaub got the value of the 19th or 20th pick and he hasn't done a damn thing. This isn't that crazy. Some of you very much overvalue picks.

[SFbear]

It's the 16th pick. And there are probably a dozen quarterbacks worth that.


**** people. Matt Schaub got the value of the 19th or 20th pick and he hasn't done a damn thing. This isn't that crazy. Some of you very much overvalue picks.

That is the nature of a draftnik site.

[Bohleive]

Yeeeeeeeeah. And I understand all that. But still.....in THIS market. I'm sure you could have gotten something.

I know what your point is and the skins absurd offer does piss me off a bit, but, there are 2 key points; 1. Ozzie is not Angelos, he operates very differently and 2. The bears have leverage where the ravens did not, i.e. a young player and the cap space to hold on to him if they didn't find a deal. I guess the rep was not worth what Oz thought he could get.

[Smokey Joe]

http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/images/homepage/briggsh1008.jpg

"It's so haaaaaaard. To say gooodbyeeeeeee. To yesterdaaaaaaay"

*Tear*
http://www.cherryfairy.com/Images/crying.gif

[bearsfan_51]

Lets see A.D. wanted and signed a huge contract that would have forced us to cut veterans and hastily restructure contracts or let him go when we have proven time and time again that we can replace impact players. Stupid, I think not, especially when a team lets a situation spiral out of control with a player that was franchised such as Briggs. That is stupid. Besides Terrell Suggs is entering the last year of his contract and is more of a priority to re-sign not to mention we have players such as Jarrett Johnson and our 2nd round pick from 2 years ago in Dan Cody ready to step in and take up the slack left from the loss of Adalius. One must not forget that he basically was a pseudo replacement to offset the loss of Peter Boulware and we have done it with draft picks such as Gary Baxter replacing Duane Starks, Ed Hartwell picking up for Ray Lewis when he was hurt years ago and then when we switched to a 3-4, then a Bart Scott offsetting the loss of Hartwell, and just this past year with a Dawan Landry offsetting the loss of a Will Demps. When it comes to judging talent on defense, no one is better at it then the Ravens, so a stupid decision it was definitely not!

Blah blah blah...

So the Bears are stupid, and they are getting the value of a 1st round pick.

But the Ravens got absolutely nothing and lost one of their better players to their conference rival and that's the smart move?

Oh...ok....

The whole **** about it "spiraling out of control" is idiotic. At what point? This is a media creation. I've said all along it would work out and amount to nothing.

[doingthisinsteadofwork]

Who you think the bears will target at numnber 6? Quinn? Peterson,mauybe landry?
Is this a serious question.They just traded Thomas Jones.Its quite clear they're giving the starting position to Benson.

[Geo]

http://chicago.comcastsportsnet.com/images/homepage/briggsh1008.jpg

"It's so haaaaaaard. To say gooodbyeeeeeee. To yesterdaaaaaaay"

*Tear*
At least there's the Pro Bowl.

[diabsoule]

That's absolutely ridiculous.

[bearsfan_51]

At least there's the Pro Bowl.
Which Urlacher never goes to.

[evershot]

I can't believe I'm about to say this but...Drew Rosenhaus is the best deal maker in the NFL if this trade happens.

[yourfavestoner]

By the way, after re-reading the article I think it has a lot more bite.



Considering that the Redskins have no other picks to talk turkey, that's probably the deal.


All this being said, I really don't think it's THAT bad of a trade. Briggs is a top 5 linebacker in my opinion. He's not some regular joe. Most of you guys were ******** bricks about how cheap the Bears when they wouldn't give him an extension and now he's dirt cause the Redskins are interested in him?

I can't believe I'm sort of sticking up for the Redskins.

Okay, if the positions were switched, would you want to give up the sixth overall pick of the draft for Briggs plus the thirty-first pick? Keep in mind that I'm not saying Briggs is a bad player at all. I just don't think he's worth that much, especially since linebacker really isn't that premium of a position anymore.

Also, how the **** are the Redskins going to afford this? Who else could they possibly restructure?

[bearsfan_51]

Okay, if the positions were switched, would you want to give up the sixth overall pick of the draft for Briggs plus the thirty-first pick?

**** no. But of course Jerry Angelo is going to get the better of the Redskins. He's Jerry f'n Angelo baby.

I'm just saying I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Actually I take that back, if I had an owner like Dan Snyder who has money to blow I wouldn't mind it at all.

How many times can you trade for a multi-time probowler that's 26 years old? It's a mid-1st rounder.

The Raiders gave up the 7th pick and a starter for an older Randy Moss.

The Texans gave up the value of a mid 1st for a backup QB.

The Cowboys gave up a 1st rounder for Joey Galloway.

The Packers gave up what would be a 1st rounder today for a drunk backup QB.

All I'm saying is that we tend to overvalue picks on this board.

[TitleTown088]

How will the bears trade up for with Cleveland CJ when he has already been picked # 1 overall?

[BigDawg819]

Blah blah blah...

So the Bears are stupid, and they are getting the value of a 1st round pick.

But the Ravens got absolutely nothing and lost one of their better players to their conference rival and that's the smart move?

Oh...ok....

The whole **** about it "spiraling out of control" is idiotic. At what point? This is a media creation. I've said all along it would work out and amount to nothing.


I'm not saying the Bears are stupid for trying to trade him, especially for a 1st round pick. With this draft and the talent available with outside linebackers, I'm sure they can find a replacement is need be. As for the spiraling out of control, Briggs complaining about this on PTI is not a sign of smooth sailing.

As for losing A.D. to the Patriots, it stings to lose a player especially to a conference rival thats coming to Baltimore this season. But thats business and the nature of the beast in the NFL. With that logic I take it that Buffalo was stupid for trading McGahee to the Ravens as were the Titans with McNair? When you have young talent waiting in the wings you have to cut ties with players, even impact players who want top dollars. The Ravens have dealt with this before as I stated with things working out in their favor as I see this doing. Besides with this market as you stated, what do you think Terrell Suggs will want added with the fact that re-signing A.D. would have compounded that plus would have allowed Jarrett Johnson to leave and forced other cap cuts thus creating more holes.

[bearsfan_51]

It wasn't stupid for the Bills cause they got value from it.

I'm fine with the Ravens shipping off A.D because you're right, they are good at replacing players like that, but they should have gotten something for him.

The assertion that they couldn't have is erroneous. The fact that he was given 20 million guaranteed is evidence enough of that. I'm sure plenty of teams would have given up a 2nd rounder for exclusive rights to negotiate with him.

[yourfavestoner]

I can understand the quarterback deals, because a potential franchise quarterback is a much better investment of a pick than a linebacker. If Schaub pans out, then the Texans have their starter for a long time at the game's most premium position.

As far as Randy Moss goes...he was still considered to be the best big play receiver in the NFL. The trade was as much of a case of a case of Zygi making his first big statement as owner than anything.

The Joey Galloway trade happened in an era where first round picks were traded much more frequently.

I don't think we overvalue picks on this board. The NFL has hit an era where draft picks are the most valuable commodity a team has, and nobody really wants to part with them.

The Redskins just so happen to undervalue their draft picks.

[GB12]

The Packers gave up what would be a 1st rounder today for a drunk backup QB.

It was a first rounder then too, #19.

[BigDawg819]

It wasn't stupid for the Bills cause they got value from it.

I'm fine with the Ravens shipping off A.D because you're right, they are good at replacing players like that, but they should have gotten something for him.

The assertion that they couldn't have is erroneous. The fact that he was given 20 million guaranteed is evidence enough of that. I'm sure plenty of teams would have given up a 2nd rounder for exclusive rights to negotiate with him.

Who said anything about not wanting something for him? The Ravens chose not to franchise him as a statement to the locker room, or at least thats the story thats being told. Apparently the players in Baltimore are against and for that matter it seems most players, and so the Ravens didn't franchise him. In fact the only player they have franchised is Chris McAlister and that was an ugly ordeal for a couple of years and so I guess thats why they chose not to franchise A.D.. Well that and the cap number for him would have caused the team to cut some veterans to get under the salary cap so that probably was in the mix as well. I agree with you that they should have gotten something for him to go to New England but it only seems to be destined as a comp pick.

[cunningham06]

Damnit Redskins, can't you just this once try to actually draft players?

[P-L]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this a ridiculous deal? I mean what would you rather have?

Gaines Adams

or

Lance Briggs
Jamaal Anderson/Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer/Victor Abiamiri

[bearsfan_51]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this a ridiculous deal? I mean what would you rather have?

Gaines Adams

or

Lance Briggs
Jamaal Anderson/Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer/Victor Abiamiri
Thank you.

If Briggs was 28 or 29 ok. He's 26. Sign him for a 7 year deal and you've got an elite linebacker that can be switched to MLB when London Fletcher wears down (which should not be too long).

[OzTitan]

I think it's an ok deal. It's kinda humorous still though and TBH, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last time we heard much from Briggs as far as the pro bowl is concerned.

[yourfavestoner]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this a ridiculous deal? I mean what would you rather have?

Gaines Adams

or

Lance Briggs
Jamaal Anderson/Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer/Victor Abiamiri

The problem with this logic is that it completely bypasses the salary cap ramifications. Briggs is going to want to be paid like one of the top linebackers in the league. Plus, you have to add in another rookie contract (although it's the 31st pick, so it's not too expensive). I just have a feeling it's going to add up to be quite a bit more than it would cost for the sixth overall pick. The Redskins aren't exactly in a position to be handing out more fat signing bonuses, either.

However, if Washington is able to squeeze out one more conditional, mid-round pick, then I think the deal is pretty even for both sides.

[TitleTown088]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this a ridiculous deal? I mean what would you rather have?

Gaines Adams

or

Lance Briggs
Jamaal Anderson/Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer/Victor Abiamiri I agree too, however I don't want to see the Bears with the # 6 overall.

[B-Dawk]

The problem with this logic is that it completely bypasses the salary cap ramifications. Briggs is going to want to be paid like one of the top linebackers in the league. Plus, you have to add in another rookie contract (although it's the 31st pick, so it's not too expensive). I just have a feeling it's going to add up to be quite a bit more than it would cost for the sixth overall pick. The Redskins aren't exactly in a position to be handing out more fat signing bonuses, either.

However, if Washington is able to squeeze out one more conditional, mid-round pick, then I think the deal is pretty even for both sides.

what would be the conditions of that pick? the bears aren't getting any players, which is usually where conditional picks come into play.

[evershot]

what would be the conditions of that pick? the bears aren't getting any players, which is usually where conditional picks come into play.

The conditional pick would be base on Briggs and it would come from the Bears. Much like how Seattle had to give up a first instead of a second because of the amount of playing time Deion Branch had.

[255979119]

When the trade occured didnt shefter say it was a 1st anyways

[bearsfan_51]

The conditional pick would be base on Briggs and it would come from the Bears. Much like how Seattle had to give up a first instead of a second because of the amount of playing time Deion Branch had.
That doesn't make any sense. What he's saying is that usually, as in the case of Seattle, the team giving up the conditional pick is the team that gets the player. IE: dependent upon how the player does for said team. It very rarely (if ever) is the other way around. Why would we give more if Briggs is productive? That makes no sense.

I think people are trying to rationalize this too much. The rumored deal likely is what it is.

[bearsfan_51]

This just posted on the Chicago Tribune site.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-070326bearsbriggs,1,6027311.story?coll=cs-bears-headlines

To paraphrase, the Bears offered Briggs the same deal Clements got (one year deal with a promise not to re-franchise next season) and Briggs refused.

Washington is pushing the trade. The Bears have made no comments other than Angelo saying they had no plans to get rid of Briggs simply because he was making a "rukus".

[evershot]

That doesn't make any sense. What he's saying is that usually, as in the case of Seattle, the team giving up the conditional pick is the team that gets the player. IE: dependent upon how the player does for said team. It very rarely (if ever) is the other way around. Why would we give more if Briggs is productive? That makes no sense.

I think people are trying to rationalize this too much. The rumored deal likely is what it is.

I was trying to explain what yourfavestoner wanted. He wants another pick from the Bear to give to the Redskins (ain't gone happen).

[P-L]

I guess it just depends on how much Briggs is going to ask for. I don't have the numbers that the top linebackers make, but I do know that the difference between #6 and #31 this year is going to be about 18-20 million over 5 years.

[critesy]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this a ridiculous deal? I mean what would you rather have?

Gaines Adams

or

Lance Briggs
Jamaal Anderson/Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer/Victor Abiamiri

which is why i really wouldnt mind it after looking it over a bit, people do over value draft picks here...well, i guess i did in my first couple posts on this thread, but after thinking...we already get a proven starter and one more who could get some playing time this year and help.

heck, we could even take quinn pitcock/tank tyler/justin harrell or whoever to help out the d-line, there's still a bunch of good prospects to take for us.

[bearfan]

Also, wouldnt resigning Briggs be similar to that of a #6 overall contract? Why not get a bonefide starter, that you know is a probowler, and has many years left.

[bearsfan_51]

Also, wouldnt resigning Briggs be similar to that of a #6 overall contract? Why not get a bonefide starter, that you know is a probowler, and has many years left.

No. Briggs will get something very similar to Clements. Adalius Thomas got about 22 million guaranteed I believe. I'm sure Briggs will get more than that.

[Non_Sequitur]

Am I the only one who doesn't think this a ridiculous deal? I mean what would you rather have?

Gaines Adams

or

Lance Briggs
Jamaal Anderson/Jarvis Moss/Anthony Spencer/Victor Abiamiri



Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaa *breath* Hahahahahaha......

Jamaal Anderson at the 31st pick....... Hahahahahahahhaa........

[iowatreat54]

if we do get the #6 do you think theres any chance we trade that pick then? I mean yea we could get any number of people at that pick and I would want them to, but JA seems to like to trade down in drafts and people really really over-value draft picks so maybe theres a chance of getting a lower pick or 2 or another player we need via trade? just a thought...

[703SKINS202]

Synder continues to look like a bigger fool every year and the Redskins fans love him for it. I don't know whether to crack up more at Snyder or their fans. LMAO!

ok wow, u can shut up cause what redskins fans do u see jockin snyder for the moves hes made in the past? how bout none, damn cowboys fans think they're gods

this deal shouldnt be done cause briggs is gonna cost too much and we need a elite dline prospect not a ok one in the late 1st

[pellepelle_10]

ZOMG!!!!!! Think of the possibilities! 31 and Briggs for 6... omg, I could fondle myself to the thought of that. OMG, I need to look at some of the possibilities!

LMAO Smokey you're a trip man..wow there's a lot to talk about now. I'd really like to see us move down a little and try to get Patrick Willis and another player in the 2nd, 3rd maybe. IMO I just don't really see any player that will land to us this high other than Landry but to Lose Briggs this definatelly means we're going to have to draft OLB. Well like i said..OLB will definatelly be a 1st day selection and if this goes down I bet it won't past rnd 2 for sure.

[pellepelle_10]

if we do get the #6 do you think theres any chance we trade that pick then? I mean yea we could get any number of people at that pick and I would want them to, but JA seems to like to trade down in drafts and people really really over-value draft picks so maybe theres a chance of getting a lower pick or 2 or another player we need via trade? just a thought...

I need to read through threads before posting. I completely agree with this iowa. I'd **** my pants if we were high enough to take Calvin Johnson but this simply won't happen. Laron Landry would be nice but I'm confident Mike Brown can come back and do well. At 31 drafting a Safety would be fine but #6? I don't know about that one. If we could trade down and get additional picks then I'd be all for it. I'd really like to see us get the chance at Patrick Willis. This guy will be a monster in the NFL. Hell Beason, Poz, Timmons, or Willis would be fine with me if we can get another draft pick in addition.

[yourfavestoner]

That doesn't make any sense. What he's saying is that usually, as in the case of Seattle, the team giving up the conditional pick is the team that gets the player. IE: dependent upon how the player does for said team. It very rarely (if ever) is the other way around. Why would we give more if Briggs is productive? That makes no sense.

I think people are trying to rationalize this too much. The rumored deal likely is what it is.

Bah. I don't know why I said "conditional" at all. Just got caught up in repeating the rhetoric that I'm used to hearing so much. I just meant an additional mid-round pick.

[toonsterwu]

The most intriguing thing about all this to me is the role of Drew Rosenhaus. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Dan Snyder is doing Drew a favor to drum up talk and try to build a market. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if Snyder really wanted to make this move and is awaiting Joe Gibbs decision. Personally, I'm waiting for Jason LaCanfora's blog to hear more.

Onto the ramifications from my perspective -

As nice as the 6th pick is, the Bears would only make this move as a last resort. As much as we (including myself) talk about the relative ease of moving a player in at LB for the scheme (witness Indy's LB turnovers for example), the reality, especially in this situation, would be far different and likely lead to a drop in play. With the Bears window being now, that's a move that's tough to make.

That said, it is something I could see. So what would be the focus at 6, assuming we don't deal again? With the move for Anthony Adams and Adam Archuleta addressing some short term concerns, it allows us to focus more, when comparing the talent to what is there. Ideally, the Bears would like Calvin Johnson ... but he won't be there. What's after that? I don't buy QB ... not there. Even if Quinn is there (and if he is, then the Texans might've miscalculated bad, as they liked him but didn't want to give up the assets), I don't see the Bears going that route. They are likely going with a Rex/Brian plan this year, and at best, they'll find a 3rd QB to compete with Kyle. That's my guess.

I think Laron Landry and Patrick Willis top the list if we stay at 6. For all the talk about Willis being a mike in a 4-3 and a weak ILB in a 3-4, I still believe that the role he might be able to make the most impact is as a tampa-2 weak. That allows him to flow and attack with regularity, limiting his exposure in coverage of the deep middle. It does raise some coverage concerns on the edges, but not enough. If Briggs is dealt, Willis could be given the chance to start immediately.

The other thought runs to Laron Landry. Archuleta will get one starting spot, and while signs point to Mike Brown returning, if the Bears deal that high, they'll likely jump Minnesota, who should be one of the first suitors for Landry (and no, I don't expect Landry to go top 5). I highly doubt any team deals into the top 5 for Landry ... but who knows. The Bears could move to 6 to grab Landry, let Mike Brown go, slide Danieal Manning to CB (and provide key depth for us there).

All in all, if it's Willis or Landry, I'd prefer seeing us deal up or down at that point, and not stay. I don't see defensive lineman there for now. What do Willis and Landry have in common? For the most part, many are viewing them as low risks. Even though I have concerns with Willis, serious concerns, I can agree with the low risk assessment as he has the appropriate work ethic, background, and is strong in enough areas that he should make a long career for himself in the NFL.

I could see the Bears dealing up ... or down from there. A long way to go.

For Washington, I would hate this deal. It just doesn't make sense, and while the Redskiins have done nonsensical things in the past, this offseason has, for the most part, been frugal and made sense. They've tried to address OL depth (albeit, I think Fabini's done ... and not sure what Ross Tucker has), and CB Depth. They've created linebacker depth with the signing of London Fletcher-Baker, as Rocky McIntosh likely is on the outside looking in. Adding Lance Briggs makes little sense in reference to their needs. That would mean 5 LB's for 3 spots (Washington, Fletcher-Baker, Briggs, Marshall, McIntosh), and unless Gregg Williams decides to shock the world with a 3-4 (he's not ...), that means someone capable moves on.

Dropping to 31 is also a huge risk relative to their DL needs. Granted, it puts them in play for the 2nd tier DT's, but the needed base end help is iffy there. Someone should be there ... will it be someone they like enough? It doesn't address their need for more picks at the same time (outside of another LB being dealt off). A darkhorse at 31 would be going OL ... and adding a guard, creating the necessary depth (Todd Wade going back to a depth role). That being said, it's just not a smart move in an offseason that, for the most part, has been smart (not spending wildly ... that being said, I, as previously noted, was not a big fan of the Fletcher-Baker move).

Let's wait and see what happens, and I suggest people keep a close eye on the LaCanfora blog, as he, IMO, is one of the best beat writers out there right now, and in his blog, has been very fair in critiquing and praising the Redskins.

[The Unseen]

lolooolllolooloooollllllloooolllloolololollllllool zzz

The trade isn't as bad as it looks at first, but WOW still.

If the Bears pull this off, they may try to trade down in the first to get in a position for another LB.

[KBear]

This proposed trade does have a wow factor in it. I'm really not sure who the Bears would plan to pick at #6. I would assume that Angelo would plan to trade down from that pick since he does not like paying the kind of money that the draft pick would ask for to a rookie. But to trade down, the Bears would need someone who would trade up, and I'm not sure who that will be.

[eacantdraft]

The Bears should say yes to this trade before any sanity in the Redskins front office comes back (if there is any sanity during the Danny Snyder era).

If this trade goes down, the Bears are not getting Adrian Peterson, Brady Quinn. They don't need them. It will be for defensive help or Offensive line help.

[Jughead10]

I think the price tag is a little too much. Basically the value of the 16th overall pick. On top of that the Redskins might have to throw in a late round pick on top of MEGA contract they will have to sign him too. And this contract won't be like the ones they signed Arch and Randle El to that they can get out of anytime. This will have 20 million guaranteed.

I don't see why the Skins are so interested in Briggs. I thought they were high on McIntosh, one of the few draft picks they've kept recently. And they have Washington on the other side. Unless someone is switching to the middle.

[Jay]

Don't know if this has been said because I am not scrolling through 7 pages of replies, but imagine if this went down and the Bears used #6 on Patrick Willis.

Patrick Willis side by side with Brian Urlacher.

HOLY F-BALLS.

[draftguru151]

I don't see any reason why they would make that trade. They just signed Fletcher, Marcus Washington is a stud and they drafted Rocky McIntosh in the 2nd last year. Washington has holes on the DL, they don't need a LB.

[neko4]

Unless WAS is gonna get CHI's 1st and their 2nd too than this is a load of crap.

[Jughead10]

I don't see any reason why they would make that trade. They just signed Fletcher, Marcus Washington is a stud and they drafted Rocky McIntosh in the 2nd last year. Washington has holes on the DL, they don't need a LB.

I forgot they signed Fletcher. Yeah this makes zero logical sense. So it must make sense to Snyder. The talent they can get at #31 on DL isn't even close to what they could get at #6. And to think, I actually thought the Redskins were getting smart and might trade down to 9-11 and aquire more picks for once.

[bearsfan_51]

Ok let's look at the history of the last seven 6th picks in the draft, which is likely how long the deal would be.

2006-Vernon Davis
2005-Pac Man Jones
2004-Kellen Winslow
2003-Jonathan Sullivan
2002-Ryan Sims
2001-Richard Seymour
2000-Corey Simon

Of those seven drafts, Richard Seymour and maybe Kellen Winslow is/are the only ones that I consider a better deal than Briggs/late 1st.

[WinslowBodden]

That because Winslow is the man ;)

Honestly though, I think this isn't as bad as a trade as it sounds, the Skins get the 31'st pick in the draft and a YOUNG pro-bowl linebacker...

I wouldn't pull the trigger if I were the skins, but its not a BAD trade if they do.

[draftguru151]

That's some of the best logic I've ever seen, the guys that went #6 before aren't as good as Briggs so the trade obviously makes sense.

[njx9]

I don't see any reason why they would make that trade.

you know, except for the logo on the side of their helmet.

[Jughead10]

Ok let's look at the history of the last seven 6th picks in the draft, which is likely how long the deal would be.

2006-Vernon Davis
2005-Pac Man Jones
2004-Kellen Winslow
2003-Jonathan Sullivan
2002-Ryan Sims
2001-Richard Seymour
2000-Corey Simon

Of those seven drafts, Richard Seymour and maybe Kellen Winslow is/are the only ones that I consider a better deal than Briggs/late 1st.

Whose to say those any of those GMs made the correct pick? I bet you in each draft there is someone extremely good who went 7-10 who could have just as easily been the 6th pick.

[frogstomp]

TRADE!!!!!! I Just love seeing stuff go down...

anyways, speculation:

Not a horrible deal for the Redskins... LB is a need... quantity doesn't really equal quality, just ask the jets at DE. However, obviously it isn't as big a need as DL. So, I'm guessing with this they are feeling they can pick up some DL talent with 31 or a trade.

So, I'd say Bears get the better deal, but you people who are calling for Snyder's head and going on about how horrible this deal is for the 'Skins... relax. It's not that bad at all.

[toonsterwu]

TRADE!!!!!! I Just love seeing stuff go down...

anyways, speculation:

Not a horrible deal for the Redskins... LB is a need... quantity doesn't really equal quality, just ask the jets at DE. However, obviously it isn't as big a need as DL. So, I'm guessing with this they are feeling they can pick up some DL talent with 31 or a trade.

So, I'd say Bears get the better deal, but you people who are calling for Snyder's head and going on about how horrible this deal is for the 'Skins... relax. It's not that bad at all.

No quantity, doesn't equate quality. But, Lemar Marshall has been a very solid backer and has been noted for his intelligent, smart play. He's been a capable starting backer ... with the only issue of being a poor fit for handling the rigors of the middle. Rocky McIntosh is an unknown ... but they did spend a 2nd round pick on him. Marcus Washington's "down" year could be attributed to the fact that he wasn't attacking and blitzing as much, and forced to do other things, otherwise, he's solid. These aren't bad backers ... and it's hard to say how much better Lance Briggs is than any of them, especially considering Briggs has to adjust systems.
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As for value - Mid-first value isn't that bad, when you judge it by the franchise tag and the talent available.

[Splat]

Only the Skins.

[bigbluedefense]

Ok let's look at the history of the last seven 6th picks in the draft, which is likely how long the deal would be.

2006-Vernon Davis
2005-Pac Man Jones
2004-Kellen Winslow
2003-Jonathan Sullivan
2002-Ryan Sims
2001-Richard Seymour
2000-Corey Simon

Of those seven drafts, Richard Seymour and maybe Kellen Winslow is/are the only ones that I consider a better deal than Briggs/late 1st.

You can't go by that line of reasoning. Under that premise, the 1st pick in the draft doesn't mean much either, considering the high bust rate of 1st picks not living up to their potential.

Its the leverage you have as a team when you draft in that position that makes that pick so powerful. You can get multiple picks, trade up relatively easily, and get what is believed to be a future stud NFL player with your pick. While Im skeptical that this trade happens, the Skins have done crazier things before.

And Id laugh my ass off if they did this, because it makes the Giants lives a little easier.

Don't be surprised, if this deal does happen, if the Bears make a push for Joe Thomas. Quinn would be nice, but there is a bigger need at Tackle, and I wouldn't be surprised if Angelo rather go for the LT opposed to the qb.

[Jughead10]

There is a good chance that Thomas and Quinn will both be gone by 6 and if this trade goes down, neither would be available at #6 for the Bears.

[bigbluedefense]

There is a good chance that Thomas and Quinn will both be gone by 6 and if this trade goes down, neither would be available at #6 for the Bears.

They could move up if they want. Theyre a SB team, they don't have many holes, so if they really wanted one guy in particular, they could give up multiple picks for him and not miss a beat.

And Detroit has been shopping the 2nd pick for awhile now.

[toonsterwu]

I have high doubts about Angelo going OL there. I wouldn't be against it (as lukewarm as I am about Joe Thomas becoming a stud) ... but I can't see Angelo drafting a player at 6 that would have no shot at starting in year 1, and with Ruben Brown resigned, along with Fred Miller back, the starting 5 is back for one more run. I'd look for them to add a piece later, with the idea that the guy could have a shot in 2008-2009 when Brown and Miller, in all likelihood, would be out.

[bigbluedefense]

I have high doubts about Angelo going OL there. I wouldn't be against it (as lukewarm as I am about Joe Thomas becoming a stud) ... but I can't see Angelo drafting a player at 6 that would have no shot at starting in year 1, and with Ruben Brown resigned, along with Fred Miller back, the starting 5 is back for one more run. I'd look for them to add a piece later, with the idea that the guy could have a shot in 2008-2009 when Brown and Miller, in all likelihood, would be out.

Its never a bad thing to take the Andy Reid philosophy and draft one year ahead of schedule. It makes for consistency.

Im not a huge fan of Thomas either, but GMs usually have a hard on for whoever is the "it" Tackle in each year's draft. So its a possibility.

Plus, I think Angelo is somewhat stubborn, and willing to give Grossman another chance. Remember, Brees was considered a dud, and SD reacted prematurely to finding his replacement with Rivers. Maybe Chicago doesn't want to make the same mistake?

And who else is worthy for their starting lineup at 6? The only guy I see is Calvin Johnson.

[frogstomp]

Its never a bad thing to take the Andy Reid philosophy and draft one year ahead of schedule. It makes for consistency.

Im not a huge fan of Thomas either, but GMs usually have a hard on for whoever is the "it" Tackle in each year's draft. So its a possibility.

Plus, I think Angelo is somewhat stubborn, and willing to give Grossman another chance. Remember, Brees was considered a dud, and SD reacted prematurely to finding his replacement with Rivers. Maybe Chicago doesn't want to make the same mistake?

And who else is worthy for their starting lineup at 6? The only guy I see is Calvin Johnson.

Well... well... D'Brick is sexier than thou!

[bigbluedefense]

Well... well... D'Brick is sexier than thou!

I actually liked DBrick. I felt he was worthy of the pick. Im not a fan of Joe Thomas. I see too much Gallery in him...

[Jughead10]

The could take Landry and have a stud safety in a system that heavily depends on their coverage skills. Brown is always hurt and I know Bears fans aren't thrilled about the other guys there. They are good but not on the level that Landry could be.

[frogstomp]

I actually liked DBrick. I felt he was worthy of the pick. Im not a fan of Joe Thomas. I see too much Gallery in him...

Oh... in that case... you're almost as sexy as D'Brick.

*phew*

As a Jets fan, I was born with natural defensiveness.

[toonsterwu]

I think Andy Reid and Joe Banner (right ... too lazy to check right now) have a good philosophy with the draft. That said, I just don't see Angelo behaving that way, but who knows.

As noted, assuming that CJ is off the board, I think the two top names would be Patrick Willis or Laron Landry (and thus, I'd be fine with dealing down). There's a chance one of them is already off (Willis moreso than Landry). Willis could slide into the weakside backer spot fairly well, while Landry could be the FS, moving Danieal Manning to CB. Both are considered to be fairly low risk guys, which would go in line with Angelo's track record (even though I'm not gung ho about either becoming a stud player), and both would potentially fill key roles in a team whose window is now.

Personally, if it's between Willis or Landry, I'd rather deal ... up or down.

[bigbluedefense]

The could take Landry and have a stud safety in a system that heavily depends on their coverage skills. Brown is always hurt and I know Bears fans aren't thrilled about the other guys there. They are good but not on the level that Landry could be.

Thats true...but would they use the 6th pick in the draft to go after another defensive player? Theyre fine on defense. I dont know, its a tough call.

[Jughead10]

Thats true...but would they use the 6th pick in the draft to go after another defensive player? Theyre fine on defense. I dont know, its a tough call.

Well, they would be losing one defensive stud. Why not replace him with another. They still have two second round choices where they could address the offense.

[bigbluedefense]

Oh... in that case... you're almost as sexy as D'Brick.

*phew*

As a Jets fan, I was born with natural defensiveness.

Almost as sexy?

And to think I was gonna buy you something on Valentines day....

[bigbluedefense]

Well, they would be losing one defensive stud. Why not replace him with another. They still have two second round choices where they could address the offense.

Yeah, I guess youre right. Landry would be a Bear.

Damn...he'd be a waste in the Tampa 2. Well....not really, but still...I don't want to see him in the Tampa 2.

[toonsterwu]

Well, they would be losing one defensive stud. Why not replace him with another. They still have two second round choices where they could address the offense.

Huh ... we would have 2 2nd rounders? If we dealt up, that would leave us 37 and the 3rd rounder ... unless I've missed something.

[bigbluedefense]

I think Andy Reid and Joe Banner (right ... too lazy to check right now) have a good philosophy with the draft. That said, I just don't see Angelo behaving that way, but who knows.

As noted, assuming that CJ is off the board, I think the two top names would be Patrick Willis or Laron Landry (and thus, I'd be fine with dealing down). There's a chance one of them is already off (Willis moreso than Landry). Willis could slide into the weakside backer spot fairly well, while Landry could be the FS, moving Danieal Manning to CB. Both are considered to be fairly low risk guys, which would go in line with Angelo's track record (even though I'm not gung ho about either becoming a stud player), and both would potentially fill key roles in a team whose window is now.

Personally, if it's between Willis or Landry, I'd rather deal ... up or down.

I like Willis, but Im starting to think his new draft position is not worth the price. He's solid don't get me wrong, but he's not worth a top 6 pick.

[KBear]

And who else is worthy for their starting lineup at 6? The only guy I see is Calvin Johnson.

Landry. Mike Brown still might be out for the first few weeks, Landry would at least start until then, maybe even longer because Archuleta might not return to his old form.

[SFbear]

Ideally we would trade up or down. Other than the picks of Landry, and Willis, I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Alan Branch there considering Tank may be out for up to eight games( more likely four). I could be wrong but I see an athletic DT of his size freeing up Tommie and Urlacher and upgrading our D to the next level.

[bigbluedefense]

Ideally we would trade up or down. Other than the picks of Landry, and Willis, I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Alan Branch there considering Tank may be out for up to eight games( more likely four). I could be wrong but I see an athletic DT of his size freeing up Tommie and Urlacher and upgrading our D to the next level.

I think if you go DT, Okeye is a more realistic possibility. He's more of a Tampa 2 DT than Branch.

[toonsterwu]

I like Willis, but Im starting to think his new draft position is not worth the price. He's solid don't get me wrong, but he's not worth a top 6 pick.

I heartily agree ... and I'll keep with my original position, which is that, I personally wouldn't pick Willis in the top 20. LB's can be found ... and even though this is a linebacker thin draft, especially lacking bigger backers ... I don't think you take a backer that early unless they have minimal flaws ... and Willis has flaws. I think Tim Shaw in the 2nd round/3rd round, especially with his versatility, is a much better value than Patrick Willis top 20.

That said, the physical upside along with a solid background is making it seem as if Willis, at worst, will go top 15 ... and potentially top 10.

[toonsterwu]

Ideally we would trade up or down. Other than the picks of Landry, and Willis, I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Alan Branch there considering Tank may be out for up to eight games( more likely four). I could be wrong but I see an athletic DT of his size freeing up Tommie and Urlacher and upgrading our D to the next level.

As bbd has noted, I highly doubt that we would pursue Branch. Grabbing Okoye would make more sense as a fit than Branch, and arguably, Okoye has better value than Branch, along with the potential to add some size.

[Jughead10]

Huh ... we would have 2 2nd rounders? If we dealt up, that would leave us 37 and the 3rd rounder ... unless I've missed something.

My fault. I forgot you switched picks in the 2nd round with the Jets instead of gaining an additional 2nd. So let's say this trade goes through and the Bears now have the Skins 1st, and the Jets 2nd. Toon, who would you want the Bears to target in the first round as a Bear's fan.

[frogstomp]

Almost as sexy?

And to think I was gonna buy you something on Valentines day....

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/_photos/2006-03-22-in-ferguson.jpg

Not everyone can be that sexy.

And Valentines day was last month, you forgetful bastard...

[TheGunShow]

This can't be. Ask the people from the Alan Faneca thread. A player threatening a hold out isn't worth more than a 4th round pick!

[frogstomp]

This can't be. Ask the people from the Alan Faneca thread. A player threatening a hold out isn't worth more than a 4th round pick!

You're angry... and an idiot.

Is Briggs 30+? Does Briggs play one of the less important positions?

[bigbluedefense]

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/_photos/2006-03-22-in-ferguson.jpg

Not everyone can be that sexy.

And Valentines day was last month, you forgetful bastard...

:o (10 characters)

[hugegmenfan]

the bears would b ******** if they did not do this- briggs is unhappy anyway and will leave eventually- they would go Quinn if he fell for sure

[The Unseen]

This can't be. Ask the people from the Alan Faneca thread. A player threatening a hold out isn't worth more than a 4th round pick!

Dear TheGunShow,

Please rid yourself of your computer.

Thanks,
All Rational Human Beings

[Number 10]

I am still thinking a trade uo for CJ if this move happens.

[AdrianWilson12]

Unbelieveable! How anyone can justify Washington doing this is beyond me. Not only are the seriously overvalueing a wantaway player like Briggs, they don't even have a need for him. They are gunna be a perenially old, and probably poor, team if they keep having such little regard for their draft picks. I doubt their linebackers will even make tackles with their irrelevant Dline.

[SFbear]

I am still thinking a trade uo for CJ if this move happens.

In a perfect world.

[bsaza2358]

I don't see why Washington would do this deal. They invested an early second rounder last year in Rocky McIntosh to play SAM for them. By season's end, he was starting. They signed London Fletcher-Baker in the offseason to bump Lamar Marshall to a reserve role. They also have a pro bowl-caliber WILL LB in Marcus Washington who is an impact player. Exactly where would Briggs play? Do they have a trade worked out for Washington or Marshall or Macintoch? Are they looking to switch to a 3-4? All of these questions basically amount to the Redskins really have no plan, and trading the #6 pick for Briggs is moronic for them at this point.

[Jughead10]

Bsaza, don't you know? Briggs is a big name. And Syder has a ton of cash and high draft pick burning a hole in his pocket. That is all the logic you need when it concerns the Foreskins. Who cares if he fits the scheme or needs of the team.

[bsaza2358]

I call them the Deadskins. I do note that not many Redskins fans on this board are rushing to defend the possible move. In general, Skins fans tend to be huge homers (this board is not terrible). If the tremendous homers aren't excited about this deal, I can guarantee you it's a horrible move.

[yourfavestoner]

I think Andy Reid and Joe Banner (right ... too lazy to check right now) have a good philosophy with the draft. That said, I just don't see Angelo behaving that way, but who knows.

As noted, assuming that CJ is off the board, I think the two top names would be Patrick Willis or Laron Landry (and thus, I'd be fine with dealing down). There's a chance one of them is already off (Willis moreso than Landry). Willis could slide into the weakside backer spot fairly well, while Landry could be the FS, moving Danieal Manning to CB. Both are considered to be fairly low risk guys, which would go in line with Angelo's track record (even though I'm not gung ho about either becoming a stud player), and both would potentially fill key roles in a team whose window is now.

Personally, if it's between Willis or Landry, I'd rather deal ... up or down.

A deal up or down is really starting to make sense to me, too. The sixth pick is actually a perfect position to make a move, too, as there are a ton of teams who will probably try to leapfrog Minnesota for the services of Willis, Landry, or Adams (if he's there).

[yourfavestoner]

I call them the Deadskins. I do note that not many Redskins fans on this board are rushing to defend the possible move. In general, Skins fans tend to be huge homers (this board is not terrible). If the tremendous homers aren't excited about this deal, I can guarantee you it's a horrible move.

Yeah...there was a huge influx of Redskin homers last offseason. BAD homers. Wonder where they all went...

[bearsfan_51]

Thats true...but would they use the 6th pick in the draft to go after another defensive player? Theyre fine on defense. I dont know, its a tough call.
We're better than fine on defense but that's not the point. Jerry has stated on numerous occasions that he does not believe in creating a supposed "balanced" team and that his preference is to keep the defense at an elite level, even if it's at the expense of having a less than stellar offense. You only stay elite by continually reinfusing talent into the system and with Brown's propensity to get major injuries the past three seasons I think anyone that thinks Brown can be fully relied on this season is being hopeful more than rational.

Not to mention that with Archuleta as our starting SS (as will likely be the case) having a FS with more range such as Landry would not be a bad idea at all. I think we would be fine with Brown, or even Danieal Manning, but it would make sense and my preference is to be more than just "fine".

[bearsfan_51]

Ideally we would trade up or down. Other than the picks of Landry, and Willis, I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Alan Branch there considering Tank may be out for up to eight games( more likely four). I could be wrong but I see an athletic DT of his size freeing up Tommie and Urlacher and upgrading our D to the next level.

Johnson isn't that great of a starting DT anyway. He would certainly start on most teams, don't get me wrong, but Branch would be an upgrade I think. Especially in the run defense department.

I just don't like Okoye, at least not as a top 10 pick. He seems more of a recent johnny-come-lately defensive tackle that makes me uneasy to make suge a huge investment in him.

[bigbluedefense]

We're better than fine on defense but that's not the point. Jerry has stated on numerous occasions that he does not believe in creating a supposed "balanced" team and that his preference is to keep the defense at an elite level, even if it's at the expense of having a less than stellar offense. You only stay elite by continually reinfusing talent into the system and with Brown's propensity to get major injuries the past three seasons I think anyone that thinks Brown can be fully relied on this season is being hopeful more than rational.

Not to mention that with Archuleta as our starting SS (as will likely be the case) having a FS with more range such as Landry would not be a bad idea at all. I think we would be fine with Brown, or even Danieal Manning, but it would make sense and my preference is to be more than just "fine".

But why spend the 6th on a safety when you can easily get one later? This draft is loaded with safeties, theyre better off with getting value at a different position.

They can trade back and get Griffin, Nelson, Weddle, Merriweather etc. With the 6th pick, theyre better off going after a position with quality talent thats thin in terms of depth in this draft.

To me, that stratches off WR and Safety. 6 is too high for Willis. So to me, either go after CJ (who's value is too high to ignore even though theres great WR depth), Thomas, Quinn, or trade down and address multiple areas of concern ie Safety + LB + WR.

[DeathbyStat]

sounds like a dumb move the redskins would make...I don't think it will happen but i wouldn't be shocked

[bearsfan_51]

But why spend the 6th on a safety when you can easily get one later? This draft is loaded with safeties, theyre better off with getting value at a different position.

They can trade back and get Griffin, Nelson, Weddle, Merriweather etc. With the 6th pick, theyre better off going after a position with quality talent thats thin in terms of depth in this draft.

To me, that stratches off WR and Safety. 6 is too high for Willis. So to me, either go after CJ (who's value is too high to ignore even though theres great WR depth), Thomas, Quinn, or trade down and address multiple areas of concern ie Safety + LB + WR.

I'm sure that trading down or up would be a strong possibility. I go under the assumptions that no trade can be made. People are way too much into hypotheticals on this board when it comes to trades (ie: Lions fans assuming that they're going to get multiple offers for the #2 pick with no factual evidence) when the vast majority of the time they don't happen.

If we're at 6, and Johnson (who will be) Thomas (who very very likely will be) and Quinn (70/30 will be) are all gone at that point, I think Landry would be the best pick.

Sure we could take Merriweather or Weddle but IMO those guys can't touch Landry. The hope obviously would be that Landry would be an elite safety in the league for years. That's worth taking a flyer on in the early part of the draft.

Hell...even the trade itself at this point is hypothetical..as Angelo's comments seem to indicate he would prefer to keep Briggs at this point.

[SFbear]

Johnson isn't that great of a starting DT anyway. He would certainly start on most teams, don't get me wrong, but Branch would be an upgrade I think. Especially in the run defense department.

I just don't like Okoye, at least not as a top 10 pick. He seems more of a recent johnny-come-lately defensive tackle that makes me uneasy to make suge a huge investment in him.

Im in total agreement with you. I think Okoye is overrated due to his age and intelligence. How much would those really effect the way he plays on the field? He's an interesting prospect but is he really worth the number 6th pick. I am worried about Branch's motor though.

We were better against the run when Tank Johnson was just a situational pass rusher on the third downs and Ian Scott although stout against the run never got a good enough push up the middle.

Ideally we would trade up and down. But if we are serious about improving our run D, we could do a lot worse than Branch.

[bigbluedefense]

I'm sure that trading down or up would be a strong possibility. I go under the assumptions that no trade can be made. People are way too much into hypotheticals on this board when it comes to trades (ie: Lions fans assuming that they're going to get multiple offers for the #2 pick with no factual evidence) when the vast majority of the time they don't happen.

If we're at 6, and Johnson (who will be) Thomas (who very very likely will be) and Quinn (70/30 will be) are all gone at that point, I think Landry would be the best pick.

Sure we could take Merriweather or Weddle but IMO those guys can't touch Landry. The hope obviously would be that Landry would be an elite safety in the league for years. That's worth taking a flyer on in the early part of the draft.

Hell...even the trade itself at this point is hypothetical..as Angelo's comments seem to indicate he would prefer to keep Briggs at this point.

I think Nelson's ballhawk skills would compliment Arch a little better. But as far as rush D goes, you want Landry back there. Plus, Landry can play both Safety positions in case Arch busts/gets injured.

Hmmm....

I don't know, 6 is awfully high for a safety. I love safeties but 6?

Who knows, this could even be a bluff by the Redskins. By throwing this rumored trade out, maybe theyre trying to see if anyone else will hastily offer them something more for the 6th pick. They could be using Chicago.

[frogstomp]

I think Nelson's ballhawk skills would compliment Arch a little better. But as far as rush D goes, you want Landry back there. Plus, Landry can play both Safety positions in case Arch busts/gets injured.

Hmmm....

I don't know, 6 is awfully high for a safety. I love safeties but 6?

Who knows, this could even be a bluff by the Redskins. By throwing this rumored trade out, maybe theyre trying to see if anyone else will hastily offer them something more for the 6th pick. They could be using Chicago.

If Ed Reed was there at 6, I would take him now in a heart beat.

[bigbluedefense]

If Ed Reed was there at 6, I would take him now in a heart beat.

If the queen had balls, she'd be the king.

[PACKmack]

If the Bears take it who do they draft? I guess that is what they would have to decide. Is there a player they want really bad that they would need a top ten pick to get. I guess LaRon Landry would make sense. Gets them ahead of the Vikings, Falcons, and Rams.

[frogstomp]

If the queen had balls, she'd be the king.

I know, but I'm saying, if Landry is "the next" Ed Reed, or even comes close to it, then he would be well worth it...

[bigbluedefense]

I know, but I'm saying, if Landry is "the next" Ed Reed, or even comes close to it, then he would be well worth it...

I know, I just wanted to use that line...

Anyway, he's the next Dawkins. Nelson is the next Reed :cool:

[frogstomp]

I know, I just wanted to use that line...

Anyway, he's the next Dawkins. Nelson is the next Reed :cool:

Whatevs. Imagine a young Dawkins on a defense as good as the Bears. Beastly.

[toonsterwu]

bsaza - just to point out, Washington is actually the SAM, with Marshall/McIntosh, as of now, scheduled to battle it out for the WILL spot. While I'm not defending the move (see previous posts in this thread), Lemar and Rocky have concerns, and adding someone like Briggs would remove the need for another pass rush specialist (last year, Marcus Washington rushed less on 3rd downs as he was needed to cover more ... so on passing downs, Marcus and Andre Carter could essentially be the ends).

Just to reiterate, I think this is a poor move for the Skins if they pursue it, but it seems to be a very legitimate possibility. Gregg Williams has used a lot of systems before ... that said ... I don't think anyone sees him moving to a 3-4 anytime soon.

[bsaza2358]

Reggie Nelson has the talent to be the next Dawkins, but I'm not certain he has the football IQ and personality to combine his skill set with being a coach on the field and a locker-room dynamo. Dawkins is an amazing physical specimen, but he also studies hard and works to get better and make others around him better. There is no guarantee that Nelson has the personality and drive to be the next Dawkins.

[bsaza2358]

bsaza - just to point out, Washington is actually the SAM, with Marshall/McIntosh, as of now, scheduled to battle it out for the WILL spot. While I'm not defending the move (see previous posts in this thread), Lemar and Rocky have concerns, and adding someone like Briggs would remove the need for another pass rush specialist (last year, Marcus Washington rushed less on 3rd downs as he was needed to cover more ... so on passing downs, Marcus and Andre Carter could essentially be the ends).

Just to reiterate, I think this is a poor move for the Skins if they pursue it, but it seems to be a very legitimate possibility. Gregg Williams has used a lot of systems before ... that said ... I don't think anyone sees him moving to a 3-4 anytime soon.

My understanding was that Washington was best cut out to be a WILL, where he could attack, but I could very well be wrong. I think Briggs' fit in this scheme is not ideal, and I think it is a bad idea.

[bigbluedefense]

My understanding was that Washington was best cut out to be a WILL, where he could attack, but I could very well be wrong. I think Briggs' fit in this scheme is not ideal, and I think it is a bad idea.

Washington to me is the perfect SAM. He's big and strong, can stop the run, rush the passer, cover TEs, play man or zone, he's smart, he can put his hand on the dirt...he plays like a prototype SAM. You don't see SAMs like that anymore, its a rare breed. He doesn't have many years left though.

[jag]

Isn't Gaines like 24? He's supposedly the player the Redskins were targeting. So is a 26 pro bowl linebacker really that big of a difference? We already know that Briggs is a beast, but have no idea how Gaines will turn out.

It's not that bad of a deal.

[Jughead10]

Washington to me is the perfect SAM. He's big and strong, can stop the run, rush the passer, cover TEs, play man or zone, he's smart, he can put his hand on the dirt...he plays like a prototype SAM. You don't see SAMs like that anymore, its a rare breed. He doesn't have many years left though.

You can add Karlos Dansby to that list. He may be taking Washington's spot considering Dansby is only 3 years into his NFL career.

[Shiver]

Washington to me is the perfect SAM. He's big and strong, can stop the run, rush the passer, cover TEs, play man or zone, he's smart, he can put his hand on the dirt...he plays like a prototype SAM. You don't see SAMs like that anymore, its a rare breed. He doesn't have many years left though.


Then my boy, Michael Boley, will be in his prime. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

[bigbluedefense]

You can add Karlos Dansby to that list. He may be taking Washington's spot considering Dansby is only 3 years into his NFL career.

Yeah, Dansby and Vrabel. Dansby is the only youngin I see who fits the bill though.

Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson are solid in the 4-3. Dansby, Vrabel, and Washington I think could thrive in any system.

[bigbluedefense]

Then my boy, Michael Boley, will be in his prime. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Boley eh? I gotta do more hw on the guy, I don't know much about him.

[Shiver]

Boley eh? I gotta do more hw on the guy, I don't know much about him.

Michael Boley, 24 years old, started at SAM the past year and a half. He is exactly what you would like. He was the one player on the Falcons team that was consistently good, last year. He's 6'3", 236-lbs, started at SAM, played RE on passing downs, and he was Rich McKay's fall back plan at SS, had the team not signed Lawyer Milloy. That is versatility! He had 80 tackles, 3 interceptions, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 3 FR, last year. He isn't even in his prime yet. Like I said, he's my boy.

[Jughead10]

Michael Boley, 24 years old, started at SAM the past year and a half. He is exactly what you would like. He was the one player on the Falcons team that was consistently good, last year. He's 6'3", 236-lbs, started at SAM, played RE on passing downs, and he was Rich McKay's fall back plan at SS, had the team not signed Lawyer Milloy. That is versatility! He had 80 tackles, 3 interceptions, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 3 FR, last year. He isn't even in his prime yet. Like I said, he's my boy.

Did his brother ever catch on with an NFL team?

[SuperMcgee]

I think Nelson's ballhawk skills would compliment Arch a little better. But as far as rush D goes, you want Landry back there. Plus, Landry can play both Safety positions in case Arch busts/gets injured.

Hmmm....

I don't know, 6 is awfully high for a safety. I love safeties but 6?

Who knows, this could even be a bluff by the Redskins. By throwing this rumored trade out, maybe theyre trying to see if anyone else will hastily offer them something more for the 6th pick. They could be using Chicago.

Safeties went 7-8 last year, and I like Landry better than either of them. I also love safeties, and I think it'd be a good and very possible pick.

[Shiver]

Did his brother ever catch on with an NFL team?

I wouldn't know.

[Jughead10]

I wouldn't know.

The both played at Souther Miss together. I know Michael was a LB/S tweener. I think his brother basically was too.

[yourfavestoner]

I think Nelson's ballhawk skills would compliment Arch a little better. But as far as rush D goes, you want Landry back there. Plus, Landry can play both Safety positions in case Arch busts/gets injured.

Hmmm....

I don't know, 6 is awfully high for a safety. I love safeties but 6?

Who knows, this could even be a bluff by the Redskins. By throwing this rumored trade out, maybe theyre trying to see if anyone else will hastily offer them something more for the 6th pick. They could be using Chicago.

It seems like I'm the only guy left these days who doesn't have a complete hard on for safeties. I've never seen the infatuation with them, especially as top ten draft choices. I still look at them as guys who are too small to play linebacker and don't have the hips or athleticism to play corner. It's the least important position on defense. To me, anyways.

[keylime_5]

Safeties went 7-8 last year, and I like Landry better than either of them. I also love safeties, and I think it'd be a good and very possible pick.

Landry can't hold a candle to Whitner and Huff. I think Landry might be a bust, and the fact that he was slow in the shuttle with a bad showing of hip flexibility (relative to a top 10 pick anyway) is a sign. Whitner and Huff were awesome prospects - great against the pass and the run and very physical to boot, and both can probably start at CB and be probowlers there.

[sweetness34]

I'd like to say that I broke this story on the Bears Team Discussion late last night, a thank ya! :D

Anywho, now that I can actually read without any dillusional images in my head (I've gotten 2 hours of sleep the past two nights) I'll comment on this.

I thought I was seeing something when they reported this last night on Sports Nite here in Chicago. And I was quite shocked that they said Daniel Snyder had confirmed the offer.

If this trade goes through I think I'd crap my pants. Everyone on here, including myself on paper would've said "hell no" to giving up the #16 pick in the draft for Lance Briggs. If we can pull this off, I'd be extremely happy. And now on to who we'd be targeting: (in no particular order)

1) Brady Quinn - I really think Rexy is in JA's dog house. And I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him nab the best QB in this draft. Brady is a Carson Palmer type QB prospect IMO.

2) Laron Landry - The best safety prospect in this draft without a doubt IMO. Incredible skill set, great range, hard hitter, and a playmaker. I could see JA taking this guy if he feels Mike Brown's days are numbered.

3) Levi Brown - While some may call him a reach here, he's certainly a very good OT prospect. A monster of a man who is very good in pass protection and from what I've seen, can run block well as well. Certainly a need area for us this draft with two aging vets in Tait and Miller.

4) Patrick Willis - I don't see this happening but it could. Would be a reach here but IMO he's the best LB prospect in the draft. Great range and would fit in well in the Cover 2 scheme. Impact type LB at the next level.

5) Trade up for CJ. 51 mentioned this already but if we did this, I'd personally send JA a box of chocolates. CJ is one of the best WR prospects to come out in a loooonnggg time and he'd instantly make our offense better. I'm salivating right now even thinking about him in Chicago.

[packer_pat_4]

Sweetness if Quinn is gone, could you see the Bears taking Okoye? I can see them doing that for some reason.

[TNewFan41]

WOW. I thought it was just briggs for the 6th pick, then I saw the 31st pick too. Still a bad trade for the Skins. It really doesn't matter though, because the Bears lost the super-bowl, so they are gonna suck anyway.

[sweetness34]

WOW. I thought it was just briggs for the 6th pick, then I saw the 31st pick too. Still a bad trade for the Skins. It really doesn't matter though, because the Bears lost the super-bowl, so they are gonna suck anyway.

Says the man with 5 negative rep squares. :D

I'd prefer Branch over Okoye personally. I know Amobi has a ton of upside, but he's got a really low floor, and JA likes guys with high floors. I don't think we got DL there though if we make the trade. I think it'll be WR, S, QB, OLB, or OT.

Or we could trade down and pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder in the draft. Lots of options there.

[Geo]

A front four of Ogunleye-Harris-Branch-Brown/Anderson would be nasty.

[bigbluedefense]

It seems like I'm the only guy left these days who doesn't have a complete hard on for safeties. I've never seen the infatuation with them, especially as top ten draft choices. I still look at them as guys who are too small to play linebacker and don't have the hips or athleticism to play corner. It's the least important position on defense. To me, anyways.

I think in today's league of parity, and the more pass happy nature of the league in general, its very important to have a presence at the safety position on defense.

At the end of the day, if you can stop the run and defend the deepball, you can essentially have a good defense in today's NFL. The safety defends the deepball. You can make a strong case for safeties being more important to defenses nowadays than CBs.

Ive said this in the Giants thread before, I want you to consider this:


New England
Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
Baltimore
Tampa Bay


The past 7 NFL champions. What do they all have in common? They all had a presence at the safety position. The same can't be said of the CB position however.

The game has changed, and so has the responsibilities of the safety. Now more than ever, its imperative to have a quality presence at the safety position to be a championship caliber team. You need that guy who can be a run stopping presence at the 3rd level, a guy who can cover the TE up the seam, and defend the deep zone.

Having said that, I think a top 6 pick on a safety is still a little too high. Unless he's the next Ronnie Lott, I don't think its worth it.

[SFbear]

A front four of Ogunleye-Harris-Branch-Brown/Anderson would be nasty.

Calvin Johnson learning from Moose's physical style of play would be nasty.

[iowatreat54]

Calvin Johnson learning from Moose's physical style of play would be nasty.

CJ just in a bears uniform would be nasty

[bsaza2358]

Calvin Johnson doesn't need to learn a style of play from a possession receiver who could never touch his skill set in his prime. Moose can teach Johnson nuances of blocking and route running, but CJ is advanced and ready to produce right now. It's all about technique now. His style of play is completely different from Moose's.

[TNewFan41]

Says the man with 5 negative rep squares. :D

I don't care about that stupid rep bars, are you serious? Oh and when the Bears have a losing record, you heard it hear first.

[njx9]

I don't care about that stupid rep bars, are you serious? Oh and when the Bears have a losing record, you heard it hear first.

sounds like newkwhy. one of you should make a bet.

[Splat]

I don't want to go threw all the pages is this trade just talk or really going down?

[evershot]

I don't want to go threw all the pages is this trade just talk or really going down?

All talk but read Jay Glazer's article on foxsports. It will shed some light on why this is such a hot topic because parts of this rumor has been confirmed by Dan Synder.

[TNewFan41]

THe bears should make it go down. No single player is worth 25 picks in the first round, and they are gettinmg and off like that right now. They should jump on it likes it Jessica Alba.

[iowatreat54]

I don't care about that stupid rep bars, are you serious? Oh and when the Bears have a losing record, you heard it hear first.

with the schedule the bears have next year, they should only lose about 6 games at the most...and last time i checked, 10-6 gets you homefield throughout the playoffs in the NFC lol

[bearsfan_51]

Boley eh? I gotta do more hw on the guy, I don't know much about him.

He's on the Falcons defense.

Therefore he sucks.

And Mike Vick sucks too.

Class dismissed.

[Non_Sequitur]

I think the price tag is a little too much. Basically the value of the 16th overall pick. On top of that the Redskins might have to throw in a late round pick on top of MEGA contract they will have to sign him too. And this contract won't be like the ones they signed Arch and Randle El to that they can get out of anytime. This will have 20 million guaranteed.

I don't see why the Skins are so interested in Briggs. I thought they were high on McIntosh, one of the few draft picks they've kept recently. And they have Washington on the other side. Unless someone is switching to the middle.

Matt Schaub was traded for the value of the 20th pick in the draft.

You can't see the Redskins valuing Briggs higher than Schaub was valued?

[Jughead10]

Matt Schaub was traded for the value of the 20th pick in the draft.

You can't see the Redskins valuing Briggs higher than Schaub was valued?

Schuab is a QB though. Will Briggs have as much impact on the Redskins season if he is traded their as Schaub will on the Texans season? On top of that Briggs is asking for WAY more money than Schaub is getting. I can't see Briggs being worth what you lose in the trade and what you have to pay him.

I like the Schaub deal a lot more.

[iowatreat54]

THe bears should make it go down. No single player is worth 25 picks in the first round, and they are gettinmg and off like that right now. They should jump on it likes it Jessica Alba.

seriously? not one player?

so say you were idk minnesota, cleveland, tampa bay...you wouldn't trade your top 10 pick for say peyton manning?

or if you were cleveland, detroit, minnesota, oakland...you wouldn't trade your pick for LT?

good thing your not in charge of any football team...

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I guarantee this trade or these terms to be more precise will not go down.