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BeerBaron
12-16-2011, 08:16 PM
Schedule here: http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50005

Figured we'd need one of these as the first couple bowl games start tomorrow.

Make sure to catch LeVon Brazill of Ohio. Potential late round sleeper in the draft.

BeerBaron
12-16-2011, 08:18 PM
BTW, Tim Flanders of Sam Houston State looks like he'll be playing on Sundays in a few years. He's beasting in the FCD playoffs tonight.

(Fancy that...college football playoffs...)

ElectricEye
12-16-2011, 08:40 PM
Yeah, Flanders is ******* **** up. Glad someone started this thread, I've been watching some of the FCS stuff too.

Brent
12-16-2011, 10:09 PM
**** Montana!

Go SHSU, my one-time alma-mater to be!

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 01:28 PM
Lol no body watching the game?

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 01:39 PM
It is a Saturday afternoon...and I think there's a lack of Temple and Wyoming homers to fuel discussion.

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Temple is too good for this game too.

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 01:50 PM
Yea, I mean I figured. Pierce is just going off

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 02:06 PM
Yea, I mean I figured. Pierce is just going off

He's a junior and this is already a hell of a final performance to go out on...odds he'll come out?

Brent
12-17-2011, 02:07 PM
when Temple went up by 21, I didn't see a reason to watch the rest.

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 02:16 PM
He's a junior and this is already a hell of a final performance to go out on...odds he'll come out?

He would be immediately one of my favorite projects. I think that he waits a year though.

I think he would be fine coming out but I haven't heard anything about him being interested in doing so. Then again, he might be doing the whole wait until after the bowl game and see how you do/who else comes out sort of deal.

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 02:23 PM
Wyoming trying to make a game of it

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 02:28 PM
... never mind

MidwayMonster31
12-17-2011, 03:45 PM
I like the spunk that some of those Wyoming freshmen showed. Doctson might be someone worth keeping an eye on down the road.

jrdrylie
12-17-2011, 03:50 PM
BTW, Tim Flanders of Sam Houston State looks like he'll be playing on Sundays in a few years. He's beasting in the FCD playoffs tonight.

(Fancy that...college football playoffs...)

Richard Sincere looks pretty good for Sam Houston State too. In truth, I've only seen him play once and it was while I was getting a rub down from an attractive masseuse so I wasn't really in the state to scout him properly. But from my limited viewing of him in a distracted state, he looked damn good.

ElectricEye
12-17-2011, 04:16 PM
LaVon Brazill is playing with a torn meniscus today. That's really too bad. He could really help himself with a big showing.

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 06:56 PM
Torn meniscus? Pfft. Not on that play.

ElectricEye
12-17-2011, 06:56 PM
Heck of a job by Brazill there to get the touchdown and put Ohio back in it.

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 07:46 PM
They were showing LaDarius Green getting ready for the next game and showed his stats at the bottom. I saw "24 receptions, 2 TD" and I'm like "that's terrible for a guy being talked about so much...."

Then I saw the tiny "last 3 games" disclaimer....ah.

And there's Brazill again. Was down before he got in though...

hawkeye123
12-17-2011, 07:50 PM
What kinda horse **** call is that?

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 07:51 PM
I'm very confused about what is going on right now.

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 07:55 PM
Tettleton is a bit of a baller. Nice to see Ohio win their first ever bowl. The MAC is as strong as ever this year.

brat316
12-17-2011, 08:18 PM
Nice to see THE Temple University win its first ever bowl game....well 30 years since.

yodabear
12-17-2011, 08:45 PM
The Potato Bowl was very good!!!! Brazill I think will make a NFL team happy.

ElectricEye
12-17-2011, 09:02 PM
....and that's why Lindley has such a low completion percentage.

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 09:17 PM
What a catch by Walson

ElectricEye
12-17-2011, 09:29 PM
Jesus, Lindley's completion percentage this year might be the most deceiving stat of any prospect. He's not accurate, but these guys are dropping TONS of passes.

Sloopy
12-17-2011, 09:36 PM
SDSU should really help the big east keep their automatic qualifier status *rolls eyes*

ElectricEye
12-17-2011, 10:23 PM
Ladarius Green is pretty freaking legit. Not a real tight end, but boy can he be a mismatch inside with his size and speed.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-17-2011, 11:28 PM
Wow, what a grab.

JHL6719
12-17-2011, 11:32 PM
ULL's receivers have been making some of the most amazing catches I've ever seen while being interferred with all night. They've been doing it all game.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-17-2011, 11:35 PM
Horrible play calls. Now SDSU has 2 minutes and 2 timeouts to go. Why not run it twice?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-17-2011, 11:39 PM
How was Ryan Lindley on the radar to be a top pick? He's a solid college QB, but as a pro prospect, he's nowhere near draftable.

BeerBaron
12-17-2011, 11:44 PM
How was Ryan Lindley on the radar to be a top pick? He's a solid college QB, but as a pro prospect, he's nowhere near draftable.

If this man can be drafted in the first round:


http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Blaine+Gabbert+Jacksonville+Jaguars+v+New+-VU1egO0Akfl.jpg


All ************* bets are off.

ElectricEye
12-17-2011, 11:47 PM
How was Ryan Lindley on the radar to be a top pick? He's a solid college QB, but as a pro prospect, he's nowhere near draftable.

Can't disagree more. He's rough around the edges, but he's got top notch physical skills with the ability to deliver the ball with velocity anywhere on the field. He did a real great job that drive after making a big mistake early. Not a "top" pick, but he's certainly a guy I would take in the fourth or fifth round as a developmental type. Shoot, he's got tons more upside than the guys projected to be taken in that range/historically are taken in that range too.

These receivers he's throwing to are terrible, dropping passes regularly. It was an inexperienced group entering the year there anyway, but injuries took out two guys they had pegged as starters on top of that. Lindley is inaccurate, but throwing to roster fodder doesn't do him any favors either.


...nice kick.

JHL6719
12-17-2011, 11:54 PM
Game of the Year candidate here. Just Wow.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-18-2011, 09:38 AM
An with san diego state lost there goes my perfect bracket already. Didn't even make it past day one this year. **** #$%^&*((**^&%

Brent
12-19-2011, 01:26 PM
I'm watching a re-play of New Orleans bowl; is it me or does Ryan Lindley have a cannon for an arm?

Sloopy
12-19-2011, 01:37 PM
I'm watching a re-play of New Orleans bowl; is it me or does Ryan Lindley have a cannon for an arm?

It's not just you... it's the cannon attached to his shoulder.

ElectricEye
12-19-2011, 02:14 PM
I'm watching a re-play of New Orleans bowl; is it me or does Ryan Lindley have a cannon for an arm?

He can throw the ever living **** out of the football, yeah. Intriguing guy. First round tools that will be available for a 4th or 5th round pick. He's got some issues, but some of them are more a reflection of the personnel around him than an indictment of him.

jrdrylie
12-19-2011, 02:47 PM
How was Ryan Lindley on the radar to be a top pick? He's a solid college QB, but as a pro prospect, he's nowhere near draftable.

He is definitely draftable. Is he the top-three rounds prospect some thought he was before this year? No, but he is a better prospect than a guy like Nate Enderle who went in the 5th round last year. I'm not sure if he is a better prospect than Ricky Stanzi, but he has better tools and Stanzi went in round three. With good workouts, Lindley could sneak into the 4th round.

iowatreat54
12-20-2011, 04:47 PM
For you gambling enthusiasts, time to bet the farm (if you hadn't already) on Oklahoma to beat Iowa by at least 70...

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Marcus-Coker-Suspended-for-Insight-Bowl-135958238.html

University of Iowa running back Marcus Coker has been suspended from participation in the 2011 Insight Bowl for disciplinary reasons.

The issue involves University of Iowa policies and has resulted in Coker being in violation of the UI Student-Athlete Code of Conduct.

BeerBaron
12-20-2011, 04:49 PM
Iowa could have 5 Cokers and would still get killed by Oklahoma.

iowatreat54
12-20-2011, 04:51 PM
Iowa could have 5 Cokers and would still get killed by Oklahoma.

Yes, but only by like 30 and at least we would probably score a touchdown or two. Now, it will be like 75-3.

This makes me has a sad because Coker by all accounts is a model student and person off the field, so no idea what he could have done. Only thing I can think of was getting an underage drinking ticker or public intox.

TACKLE
12-20-2011, 07:15 PM
ty hilton is FAST.

ElectricEye
12-20-2011, 07:26 PM
What a catch there by Kelson.

draftguru151
12-20-2011, 08:34 PM
Nice TD grab by Dobson.

yodabear
12-20-2011, 09:02 PM
I have Marshall in this game, basing on the first 3, Florida International will win.

ElectricEye
12-20-2011, 09:16 PM
Shame TY Hilton has been so limited tonight. He's playing through it, but it's clear he's not right.

BeerBaron
12-20-2011, 09:18 PM
Shame TY Hilton has been so limited tonight. He's playing through it, but it's clear he's not right.

Brazill was playing banged up the other night too. It's lame that the better smaller school guys haven't been at their best.

MidwayMonster31
12-20-2011, 09:53 PM
A lot of these short passes FIU is using is keeping Vinny Curry out of the backfield.

ElectricEye
12-20-2011, 10:20 PM
A lot of these short passes FIU is using is keeping Vinny Curry out of the backfield.

He's been blocked 1 on 1 tonight as well though. Not his best night. Big fumble there by the other guy of interest in this game.

bearsfan_51
12-20-2011, 10:33 PM
I'm so damn tired of hearing about what a great coach Mario Cristobal is. How hard is it to be competitive in the Sun Belt when your program is located in Miami? You can drive down the street and pick up 20 prospects.

bearsfan_51
12-20-2011, 10:34 PM
Also, impressive that they waited until the end of the game to thug it out.

ElectricEye
12-21-2011, 07:09 PM
Nice play by Tank Carder there.

TACKLE
12-21-2011, 07:09 PM
Tank Carder needs more arm bands.

ElectricEye
12-21-2011, 07:13 PM
Dawson just dropped a touchdown. Damn. Good throw by Pachall too.

ElectricEye
12-21-2011, 07:48 PM
Good job standing in there by Pachall, but I'm not sure he should have let that one go. Coverage was pretty tight. Led the guy well though.

bored of education
12-22-2011, 07:05 PM
I cannot wait to see the cannon on Kellen Moore, right Tebow49erFan85?

TACKLE
12-22-2011, 07:09 PM
Doug Martin :O

bored of education
12-22-2011, 07:17 PM
Doug Martin sheeittt

Kellen Cannon Moore time!!

bored of education
12-22-2011, 07:19 PM
Burfict keeping quiet on the bench got the itch like he has the syphilis.

bored of education
12-22-2011, 07:21 PM
Quick kicks ftw.

TACKLE
12-22-2011, 07:28 PM
Taze on the bench to start the game.....


With the 64th pick in the NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select: Vontaze Burfict, Linebacker, Arizona State. :D

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 07:34 PM
Taze on the bench to start the game.....


With the 64th pick in the NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select: Vontaze Burfict, Linebacker, Arizona State. :D

Yeah, because it's not like that would be totally unfair or anything. You guys seriously need to stop hoarding all the good defensive players in the league. It's kind of not cool.


Moore seems to really be in rhythm tonight. This has the makings of a slaughter with how well Boise is playing and how flat ASU looks. Not that I blame them or anything with the coaching situation.

Brent
12-22-2011, 07:37 PM
Yeah, because it's not like that would be totally unfair or anything. You guys seriously need to stop hoarding all the good defensive players in the league. It's kind of not cool.
it's okay, they still have a horrible OC

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 07:43 PM
Osweiler missed an EASY touchdown. Wow. Just flat out didn't see the guy.

Brent
12-22-2011, 07:57 PM
This game is not entertaining at all.

bored of education
12-22-2011, 08:07 PM
Taze has the opposite Tom Brady syndrome. Tom gets breathed on by a defender it's a flag, Taze breathes on an offensive player he gets flagged.

BeerBaron
12-22-2011, 08:26 PM
Doug Martin is so good. He's almost a...dare I say...more powerful Ray Rice?

BeerBaron
12-22-2011, 08:27 PM
4th round projection for Martin? Pfftt. I'll gladly take him in the 3rd. Late 2nd perhaps even.

TimmG6376
12-22-2011, 08:31 PM
4th round projection for Martin? Pfftt. I'll gladly take him in the 3rd. Late 2nd perhaps even.

I agree. I hope he lasts that long, because I'd love to see him in Green and Gold but I don't see TT using anything higher than a 4th rounder on RB this year.

TACKLE
12-22-2011, 08:38 PM
Doug Martin is so good. He's almost a...dare I say...more powerful Ray Rice?

you dare not.

a better tashard choice is the best one i've heard. (from boe) he reminds me quite a bit of mark ingram as well.

BeerBaron
12-22-2011, 08:57 PM
you dare not.

a better tashard choice is the best one i've heard. (from boe) he reminds me quite a bit of mark ingram as well.

He hits those holes mighty hard and has unbelievable balance to pair with that low center of gravity.

TimmG6376
12-22-2011, 08:58 PM
He hits those holes mighty hard and has unbelievable balance to pair with that low center of gravity.

Good hands out of the backfield, too.

BeerBaron
12-22-2011, 09:00 PM
Arizona State is suddenly back in this game.

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 09:04 PM
Ok, it may be a tad bit insolent...but Osweiler has forever won me over by forcing ASU to go for it there. They should be going balls out to win this game and thus far Erickson is content to just go for through the motions. That was pretty cool.

TimmG6376
12-22-2011, 09:06 PM
Trying to keep an eye on McClellin in this game. Does BSU rotate linemen alot? I've seen him rush with his hand on the ground and standing, but on that last all out blitz I couldn't find him.

SickwithIt1010
12-22-2011, 09:07 PM
Osweiler does not impress me at all...

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 09:09 PM
Osweiler does not impress me at all...

He's huge, extremely athletic, and has a very big arm. The rest is an empty slate, essentially. It's his first year starting and he has tons of room for improvement.

BeerBaron
12-22-2011, 09:11 PM
He also has balls. Huge balls.

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 09:13 PM
I'll never understand shotgun runs down by the goal line. It's like asking to lose.

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 09:14 PM
He needs to seriously calm down though. He's trying to take the game into his own hands. Admirable since they really don't have a shot against Boise...but **** did it hurt there.

TimmG6376
12-22-2011, 09:16 PM
Come on ESPN that's the best angle you've got for the replay?

SickwithIt1010
12-22-2011, 09:19 PM
He's huge, extremely athletic, and has a very big arm. The rest is an empty slate, essentially. It's his first year starting and he has tons of room for improvement.

Ball doesnt come out of his hand all that great, seems to wobble a lot and the ball seems to die on him. He has happy feet, and as we all know from watching Gabbert thats not a good things.

And my high school team kicked his ass. :)

ElectricEye
12-22-2011, 09:28 PM
Ball doesnt come out of his hand all that great, seems to wobble a lot and the ball seems to die on him. He has happy feet, and as we all know from watching Gabbert thats not a good things.

And my high school team kicked his ass. :)

He doesn't have happy feet like Gabbert does though. Gabbert runs away from pressure to run away. Osweiler runs to throw and stays in the pocket FAR more often. The ball doesn't come out perfect all the time, but he's still able to put it anywhere on the field and he's got a very quick release.


He needs a lot of work, but he's someone worth picking in the first few rounds based on upside alone. He needs to have a big year next season if he wants to sneak into the first though.

TACKLE
12-22-2011, 09:40 PM
My boy Shea has looked really good tonight.

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 09:55 PM
Taze was pretty underwhelming :( [I've been in and out of the game, but I think that he's out at this point]

Still... :D LOCK IT UP FOR THE RAVENS

TACKLE
12-22-2011, 10:11 PM
Taze was pretty underwhelming :( [I've been in and out of the game, but I think that he's out at this point]

Still... :D LOCK IT UP FOR THE RAVENS

He didn't start the game, played two series, got a 15 yard penalty and got pulled.

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 10:13 PM
He didn't start the game, played two series, got a 15 yard penalty and got pulled.

I saw that he didn't start, got excited when he went in, shook my head when he got the penalty, then he wasn't in the game and I became more interested in ice cream sundaes... mmm sundaes

49erNation85
12-22-2011, 11:03 PM
Dam what a waist of a bowl game for Boise. Dam haters on the polls for Boise. Boise could easily run the table in pack 12 or big east. Such a shame. I did not get to the see game tonight ( had to work ) I just wish Moore was 3 to 4 " taller and had a stronger arm and he would be a first round pick. I also believe he will have a strong showing at the senior bowl and prove to scouts that he is worth a 3 or 4th round pick. Just sucks they were not given a better bowl game.

JHL6719
12-23-2011, 01:44 AM
Did Burfict even play more than 1 series? I didn't notice him on the field at all other than when he drew his 579021345863 personal foul penalty.

TACKLE
12-23-2011, 03:35 AM
Did Burfict even play more than 1 series? I didn't notice him on the field at all other than when he drew his 579021345863 personal foul penalty.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-football/vontaze-burfict-unsportsmanlike-penalty-video/

It looked like a pretty lame call. It was for talking after Boise scored a TD and some WR for Boise turned around and started mouthing off to Burfict. Obviously we don't know what was said so I can't comment but the other guy clear instigated it and the jawing was clearly going back and forth but obviously Taze drew the flag.

Not saying that a good amount of his penalty's aren't deserved, but I've never seen a player in any sport, at any level, who is so clearly targeted by the refs. He gets away with NOTHING which sucks given that he's a highly aggressive, defensive football player.

Miaoww
12-26-2011, 05:25 PM
UNC have **** the bed. Jones has already dropped 3 in the first half and their vaunted D has given up 31 points.

Why are Coples and Brown rated so highly? They've done nothing.

BeerBaron
12-26-2011, 05:28 PM
UNC have **** the bed. Jones has already dropped 3 in the first half and their vaunted D has given up 31 points.

Why are Coples and Brown rated so highly? They've done nothing.

This is common amongst UNC players and happened last year too. They must just look really, really good in powder blue.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-26-2011, 06:13 PM
Don't forget Kentwan Balmer who went from a 4th rounder to a 1st for seemingly no reason whatsoever in his draft's offseason

Brown is going to run a fast 40 so that why he's hyped. Dwight Jones is actually decent although he's going to give Frank Gore a run for the low Wonderlic score record. Coples I don't get at all

Sloopy
12-26-2011, 06:13 PM
Is it just me or does Coples still just look so damn slow off the line.

Nice pick for Zach Brown. Looking fairly athletic.

Didn't catch the whole game but this is what I have taken away so far

Sloopy
12-26-2011, 06:19 PM
I'm liking what I've seen out of Renner

Miaoww
12-26-2011, 06:47 PM
Is it just me or does Coples still just look so damn slow off the line.

Nice pick for Zach Brown. Looking fairly athletic.

Didn't catch the whole game but this is what I have taken away so far

Yeah this is why I've lambasted people that mock Coples to the Panthers. I just don't see the explosion required to get round the edge in the NFL. He looks slooooow.

As for Brown, well he trailed a WR on a trick play pretty well so he's clearly very quick and athletic. I just haven't seen him make any tackles today. I question his instincts.

Shane P. Hallam
12-26-2011, 07:32 PM
Both are better athletes than football players, probably more mid to late firsts than early though.

keylime_5
12-26-2011, 07:56 PM
Every UNC game I've watched this year has featured Zach Brown dominating the opposition. He has had a phenomenal year no doubt - if he didn't do much in the bowl game then it shouldn't be held against him, he has enough success under his belt this season week in week out to prove he is a player. 235 lb. 4.4 guy to boot.

Coples this year is out of position playing outside. He is better served as a 5 tech or 3 tech like he was last year. Still an outstanding athlete who had an amazing junior year in terms of his NFL prospects.

holt_bruce81
12-27-2011, 03:21 AM
I like how James Franklin progressed as the year went on for Mizzou, It's a shame Henry Josey had to screw up his knee. Should be interested to watch em play vs SEC defenses, hopefully Josey comes back 100% I want to see him next year because he absolutely shredded big 12 defenses.

BeerBaron
12-27-2011, 03:49 PM
Man, why isn't Jordan White talked about more?

Brent
12-27-2011, 04:18 PM
So, I was at the Independence Bowl. It was freezing and half the stadium was empty. Neither team travels well, it seems.

TimmG6376
12-27-2011, 04:22 PM
Man, why isn't Jordan White talked about more?

Nobody watches W.Michigan. I mean I can't remember ever seeing them on TV outside of a bowl game. Though I do not live in the Midwest.

And did anyone catch that shot of the Purdue cheerleaders? Ugh.

BeerBaron
12-27-2011, 04:33 PM
Nobody watches W.Michigan. I mean I can't remember ever seeing them on TV outside of a bowl game. Though I do not live in the Midwest.

And did anyone catch that shot of the Purdue cheerleaders? Ugh.

Could be. He's set up to be another late round MAC sleeper. That conference has some real talent and they manage to do it squarely inside Big 10 country.

TimmG6376
12-27-2011, 04:46 PM
I've actually been to Kalamazoo a couple of times and driven by their "stadium". I'd say a lot of big time HS programs have more impressive stadiums. Found it amazing that a guy like Greg Jennings played college football there.

MidwayMonster31
12-27-2011, 07:24 PM
I need to look up more on this Terrell Manning guy. I'm watching the Belk bowl for Audie Cole and Manning makes the big play early on.

ElectricEye
12-27-2011, 08:06 PM
Can someone explain to me why Glennon is considered a potential first round guy next year? His deep ball accuracy is awful. He throws balls into traffic far to often too. Checkdown artist, in the games I've seen.


Man, why isn't Jordan White talked about more?

He's supposedly a a 4.7 guy. That hurts him quite a bit, but I still find it hard to find things to dislike about him. Looks plenty fast on the field and he has pretty damn good size to go along with his hands as well. Looks like the type of guy who can stick on an NFL roster for sure.

Miaoww
12-27-2011, 08:37 PM
Yeah, White impressed me today. First time I've seen him play. It all depends if that speed translates to the NFL. Looks like he'll stick around a roster though - he runs good routes, has good hands and looks reasonably elusive.

ncst8fan83
12-27-2011, 08:40 PM
Can someone explain to me why Glennon is considered a potential first round guy next year? His deep ball accuracy is awful. He throws balls into traffic far to often too. Checkdown artist, in the games I've seen.

14/19 217yds 3td 1 int in 1 half of football. His tools are crazy. I think he lacks a lot between the ears at the moment and trusts his arm way too much. It was his first year starting and I think he did very well considering what he has to work with.

ElectricEye
12-27-2011, 08:42 PM
14/19 217yds 3td 1 int in 1 half of football. His tools are crazy. I think he lacks a lot between the ears at the moment and trusts his arm way too much. It was his first year starting and I think he did very well considering what he has to work with.

He's actually looked quite good since I've posted that, but I've seen him three or four times on the year and just haven't come away very impressed.


Amerson, on the other hand, looks like a baller.

dannyz
12-27-2011, 09:24 PM
David Amerson pick six. Kids going to be a Beast.

Cigaro
12-28-2011, 12:37 AM
LaMichael James opinion of Space Mountain;

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/383368_219668411445458_116875988391368_517891_1298 315977_n.jpg

SchizophrenicBatman
12-28-2011, 01:06 AM
I need to look up more on this Terrell Manning guy. I'm watching the Belk bowl for Audie Cole and Manning makes the big play early on.

Of the 3 big LBs we've had, Manning has always been the best athlete, Nate Irving was the best player and Cole was somewhere in between. Honestly, I think Cole has become a little overhyped and is more of a 4th-5th rounder than 2nd-3rd. Manning has first round talent but he has to put it together. It's taken him some time because he had a bad knee injury his senior year of high school and was slow to recover

Glennon clearly has the tools to be a 1st round QB and has gotten a lot better in the last few games but my first instincts on QBs are usually the way to go (I thought Clausen was absolute trash when I saw him in the USAA game and as a freshman - after his junior year when the Panthers took him I tried to talk myself into him...no, he just sucks) and early on this season I was very underwhelmed by Glennon. His stats look good but the eye test is meh

It's just odd that a guy who is 6'6 with good accuracy and a good arm can't be a good prospect but he really isn't. I don't like how he throws the ball, I don't like his decision making and I don't like how he only reads one side of the field. I'm happy with him next year as my college QB because you can do much, much worse but I wouldn't take him in the draft.

Amerson will be a first rounder next year. Watching him at the stadium today in person and he is playing at a level above everyone in college right now. Good cover corner who happens to have excellent hands and a knack for finding the ball. Not just a guy who jumps routes. Louisville didn't even look in his direction in the first half. Second half they're down big so they throw at him twice on their first possession...short gain that he stuffs, then the pick he ran back for a TD

SchizophrenicBatman
12-28-2011, 01:17 AM
BTW, I was impressed with Bridgewater. I actually think he should use his athleticism more often

ElectricEye
12-28-2011, 07:13 PM
Excited to get a look at Keenan Allen tonight. He's one of the better receivers I've seen this year. Marvin Jones isn't half bad either.

Brent
12-28-2011, 07:20 PM
LET'S DO THIS GOLDEN BEARS!

(I grew up a Cal fan and went to UT's rival, this is pretty much a given.)

ElectricEye
12-28-2011, 07:25 PM
Trevor Guyton flashed and made a big stop behind the line. He seems to do that every chance I get a look at him. Doesn't look like a spectacular prospect, but he well could be a rotational kind of guy that you can line up in a lot of places in either front.

draftguru151
12-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Quandre Diggs is a baaaaaaller.

ElectricEye
12-28-2011, 09:23 PM
Allen is starting to work that Texas secondary a bit now....and Sofele punches it in. Moved the ball much better there than they did at any point in the first half.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm quite excited by today's slate of games. The nightcap yesterday was just a little bit lackluster...but Florida State and Notre Dame are two fairly evenly matched teams. Washington has the ability to score with Baylor for a little bit too.

asdf1223
12-29-2011, 03:53 PM
I hope the country gets to know Keith Price today. Has been tremendous considering he's just a sophomore. Also, even as a dawg fan hard not to root for RG3. If its his last college game I would be ok with losing to him.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 04:07 PM
I hope the country gets to know Keith Price today. Has been tremendous considering he's just a sophomore. Also, even as a dawg fan hard not to root for RG3. If its his last college game I would be ok with losing to him.

Price can sling it a bit for sure. Height is going to be a major issue for him as a prospect, but I like the way he throws the ball. Especially how quick he's able to get it out.

Interested to get a look at some of these Florida State front seven players. Bjoern Werner is one of my favorite defensive ends I've seen all season. Brandon Jenkins hasn't quite lived up the to lofty expectations he set last season, but I like his burst off the edge quite a bit still.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 04:43 PM
Notre Dame really ought to look into recruiting some quarterbacks that don't suck.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 04:56 PM
I'm trying to think of the last great Notre Dame pro prospect other than Brady Quinn. I'm probably forgetting someone obvious...but who was it?

Giantsfan1080
12-29-2011, 04:59 PM
Carlyle Holliday most likely....

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 05:02 PM
I just looked it up and unless you want to count Jeff Faine or Luke Petigout (I don't,) it was probably Bryant Young.

In 1994.

Floyd is their only shot this year from the looks of it.

kalbears13
12-29-2011, 05:08 PM
Golden Tate and Clausen were 2nd rounders. Tim Brown maybe? Mirer?

superman8456
12-29-2011, 05:11 PM
I really wish Manti Te'o would declare. He'd be the first LB off the board, no doubt in my mind.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 05:17 PM
I really wish Manti Te'o would declare. He'd be the first LB off the board, no doubt in my mind.

He certainly didn't get the play he deserved around here. With Burfict taking a step back this year, he well could have. Kuechly is quite good as well, but Te'o makes far more impact plays.

Giantsfan1080
12-29-2011, 05:20 PM
I just looked it up and unless you want to count Jeff Faine or Luke Petigout (I don't,) it was probably Bryant Young.

In 1994.

Floyd is their only shot this year from the looks of it.

I was only joking with Holliday but you did forget Justin Tuck. I know he was a 3rd rounder but that was more because of injury concerns which are somewhat true. He had the physical talent and on the field production to be a 1st rounder. I remember being shocked when he fell to the 3rd and we got him.

soybean
12-29-2011, 05:29 PM
If it's any consolation, jeff smardjiza was projected as a late first rounder before he chose baseball.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 05:41 PM
Floyd could have pulled that in. Tough catch, but that's one he usually makes too.

TACKLE
12-29-2011, 05:45 PM
Floyd could have pulled that in. Tough catch, but that's one he usually makes too.

Tough catch? It dropped perfectly into his hands and he just dropped it.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 05:50 PM
Tough catch? It dropped perfectly into his hands and he just dropped it.

The coverage was pretty close behind him and he had to run to get it. I wouldn't call it a routine play or anything. Tough might be a strong word though. Certainly one you expect a player of his caliber to pull in and probably the one good throw Rees made tonight.

Notredameleo
12-29-2011, 05:52 PM
Tommy Rees is the worst.

Bengals78
12-29-2011, 05:58 PM
I cant tell if the ND defense is playing well or the FSU oline is that bad...leaning toward the latter

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Rhodes is absolutely working Floyd.

draftguru151
12-29-2011, 06:29 PM
What a play by Floyd.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-29-2011, 06:29 PM
Michael freakin Floyd

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-29-2011, 06:31 PM
Floyd is just gonna kill us now without Rhodes.

Miaoww
12-29-2011, 06:37 PM
Any update on Xavier Rhodes?

hawkeye123
12-29-2011, 06:46 PM
michael floyd oh my goodness

draftguru151
12-29-2011, 07:12 PM
Solid choke job Notre Dame.

Greene is so sick.

superman8456
12-29-2011, 07:21 PM
Nigel Bradham is a beast. He's had a great game thus far. I've been thoroughly impressed by him. He's definitely improving his draft stock in my eyes.

Edit: That Slaughter kid from ND has also caught my eye. And he's a senior. I want him on the Eagles.

Bengals78
12-29-2011, 07:24 PM
Sick catch if it stands

prock
12-29-2011, 07:25 PM
Who is this Greene guy and when is he going to be in the NFL?

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 07:27 PM
Who is this Greene guy and when is he going to be in the NFL?

It'll be at least 3 years.

SickwithIt1010
12-29-2011, 07:38 PM
Wow ND...letting this one slip away

J-Mike88
12-29-2011, 07:47 PM
I hope Michael Floyd falls 50 spots in the draft as a result of this game.
Dropping the bomb was bad.
Sitting out with nothing serious? That's ***** right there.

SickwithIt1010
12-29-2011, 07:48 PM
You kidding me Reese? Great throw man haha.

J-Mike88
12-29-2011, 07:49 PM
What the hell is wrong with this QB anyway?
I expect more from a Notre Dame QB.
He's been just atrocious. Where are the 5-star recruits at QB for the Irish?

SickwithIt1010
12-29-2011, 07:50 PM
What the hell is wrong with this QB anyway?
I expect more from a Notre Dame QB.
He's been just atrocious. Where are the 5-star recruits at QB for the Irish?

Elite guys dont wanna go to ND anymore. ND doesnt have the same appeal it did 10-15 years ago.

hawkeye123
12-29-2011, 07:54 PM
Elite guys dont wanna go to ND anymore. ND doesnt have the same appeal it did 10-15 years ago.

They've been signing top ten recruiting classes for years.

J-Mike88
12-29-2011, 08:02 PM
They've been signing top ten recruiting classes for years.
Correct.
They just need the right coach, staff, system, and QB.

That being said, Michael Floyd can fuckoff. Juggling catch was highlight-reel stuff, but he made it that way by dropping it simply.

Then going PMS and not-manning up? I really hope that costs him a ton of $ in the draft.

He's Tyrone Calico to me.

gpngc
12-29-2011, 08:04 PM
What did he do that has you so upset? I was half watching...

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 08:06 PM
Did I make it in time for the air show?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-29-2011, 08:21 PM
Correct.
They just need the right coach, staff, system, and QB.

That being said, Michael Floyd can fuckoff. Juggling catch was highlight-reel stuff, but he made it that way by dropping it simply.

Then going PMS and not-manning up? I really hope that costs him a ton of $ in the draft.

He's Tyrone Calico to me.

??? You don't know what happened to him. I bet you crucified Jay Cutler and Colt McCoy for not playing as well, then later it comes out that both had serious injuries.

Not everyone can be Greg Jennings and make a play with a broken ****** leg...

J-Mike88
12-29-2011, 08:23 PM
What did he do that has you so upset? I was half watching...
He dropped a bomb perfect pass in the first half.
But worse, on his TD which you have seen replays of, he drops the easy pass, juggles it, makes a circus catch..... he didn't appear to be injured, but never played again..... He LT'd, but LT was legitimately injured, I don't think MF was... how could he have been on that play anyway?

The sideline bimbo late in the game told the announcers that she asked on the sideline and they said the MF was "hit in the stomach".
Come on man. I didn't see Manny Pacquio in there.

SickwithIt1010
12-29-2011, 08:26 PM
This is going to be a high scoring game.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 08:29 PM
RGIII grades out well as a blocker too, apparently.

SuperMcGee
12-29-2011, 08:30 PM
RGIII getting the Rodgers treatment from these announcers.

I really do love him, though.

SickwithIt1010
12-29-2011, 08:30 PM
They've been signing top ten recruiting classes for years.

Yeah because scouting services give ND recruits more love for signing with ND. It happens on all of the recruiting networks. Kids with offers from bigger schools tend to get higher star ratings. Most notable I can remember is Aaron Corp the old QB at USC. He was a 3 star, not getting any love...USC was right down the street and offered the hometown kid and the next thing you know hes a 5 star....we saw how well that worked out for him.

Notre Dame is not getting the athletes they used to...its as simple as that.

Miaoww
12-29-2011, 08:43 PM
Really like what I see from Kendall Wright.

Sloopy
12-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Wow what a highlight run by RGIII

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Only thing you can say there is wow....and ****** tackling.

TACKLE
12-29-2011, 08:47 PM
So this Griffin guy is pretty athletic.

hawkeye123
12-29-2011, 08:48 PM
Yeah because scouting services give ND recruits more love for signing with ND. It happens on all of the recruiting networks. Kids with offers from bigger schools tend to get higher star ratings. Most notable I can remember is Aaron Corp the old QB at USC. He was a 3 star, not getting any love...USC was right down the street and offered the hometown kid and the next thing you know hes a 5 star....we saw how well that worked out for him.

Notre Dame is not getting the athletes they used to...its as simple as that.

Notre Dame has plenty of athletes. To say that they don't reel in top talent around the country is just stupid. Just because one 5* recruit years ago was a flop doesn't mean every other 5* recruit is.

Miaoww
12-29-2011, 08:49 PM
Only thing you can say there is wow....and ****** tackling.

Horrendous tackling - there were three guys there. The rest was all RG3 though - pretty special run. Looked like he took a shot at the end of it too.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 08:52 PM
This game is gonna end up with a ton of points if this pace continues, RG3 looks good.

Grizzlegom
12-29-2011, 08:54 PM
Would like to see Price make enough plays in the passing game to allow Polk to get going. They are just keying in him on him sooo much.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 08:55 PM
Yea Baylor seems to be teeing off on Polk a bit. Not helping him at all. Price has a rocket for an arm tho.

Miaoww
12-29-2011, 08:56 PM
So at some point one of these teams is going to start playing defence, right?

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 08:57 PM
Would like to see Price make enough plays in the passing game to allow Polk to get going. They are just keying in him on him sooo much.

Was just going to post something like this. If it gets too out of hand we're not going to get to see any of Polk.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 08:57 PM
...there he goes.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 08:58 PM
Great call, and Polk runs dude over. He reminds me of a young Eddie George the way he runs so upright but still heavy. Love em.

Grizzlegom
12-29-2011, 08:58 PM
So at some point one of these teams is going to start playing defence, right?

don't hold your breath. Washington was like 94th or something like that.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 08:59 PM
Polk was about to get free there too. Hopefully he can take over the game a bit and keep Baylor from running away with it. They don't look like they intend to stop scoring.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 08:59 PM
don't hold your breath. Washington was like 94th or something like that.

And Baylor is from the Big 12 where "defense" is considered a vulgar word.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:00 PM
Price is gold. He looks a bit thin and needs to hit the weight room but he's got a future.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:02 PM
Price is gold. He looks a bit thin and needs to hit the weight room but he's got a future.

Height is going to hold him back in a major way, unfortunately. I like almost everything else about him, but a 6'0 to 6'1 QB is going to be a tough sell, especially at under 200 pounds.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:03 PM
Really? He didn't look that short. Damn.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:06 PM
Griffin is explosive thru the hole. Needs to not take those hits at the next level tho.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 09:07 PM
Height is going to hold him back in a major way, unfortunately. I like almost everything else about him, but a 6'0 to 6'1 QB is going to be a tough sell, especially at under 200 pounds.

I don't know. I'm not as bothered by a lack of height with QBs as much as some people seem to be. You'd rather he be tall, sure, but I'm definitely putting it behind arm strength, accuracy, reading coverage and pocket awareness. It's really probably the last thing I consider. I mean, it's not stopping Drew Brees. The guy's just got to be able to find his throwing lanes.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:08 PM
Seems like Baylor plans of running Griffin quite a bit in the early going. Could well open up a vertical seam for Wright if Washington has to commit to defending it.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 09:09 PM
Really? He didn't look that short. Damn.

Yeah, I actually thought he was like a 6'3" guy until I looked it up. Maybe he's one of those rare QBs who's actual height is the same as his listed height. 6'1" isn't terrible.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:12 PM
Anyone else find it rather odd the commentators tried to pin Griffin as a tebow option qb at the next level? I highly doubt any team that takes him is thinking of doing a teblow offense with his accuracy and upside. Running qb, sure. Ramping him thru the tackles....No.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-29-2011, 09:13 PM
It's amazing how well Keith Price has done this year carrying the worst offense in the history of football

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:13 PM
Price keeps impressing. I'm a Titan fan and began watching Washington a couple years ago and fell in love with locker and we ended up drafting him, but price seems to have better touch. Locker throws bullets.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 09:16 PM
Price is surprising me a little bit. Throwing some nice balls. I had't watched much of Washington this year. For some reason I'd been under the impression he was more of a runner.

soybean
12-29-2011, 09:16 PM
I love Price's arm and his throws. He puts more zip on it than Luck does on his throws.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:17 PM
I'm interested in seeing how well Polk does at the next level.

Bengals78
12-29-2011, 09:18 PM
I like Polk so far. Tough runner. Not getting a ton of help from the blocking.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:20 PM
I like polks ability to hold back from trying to be a dance running back. His style is a dying breed it seems, willing to put his shoulder down and plow whatevers ahead.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:24 PM
....and there's RGIII's one major weakness. Trying to make something happen out of nothing there. He can get away with it in college most of the time...but not there.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 09:26 PM
Ta'amu really carries that 330 very well. Getting double-teamed a lot.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:27 PM
Ta'amu really carries that 330 very well. Getting double-teamed a lot.

Doesn't get his due, certainly. Better pure nose prospect than Poe, who is more of a five technique in my opinion.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:27 PM
Ta'amu really carries that 330 very well. Getting double-teamed a lot.

His size is kinda deceiving on film.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 09:28 PM
I like polks ability to hold back from trying to be a dance running back. His style is a dying breed it seems, willing to put his shoulder down and plow whatevers ahead.

Like that first down run right there - he does pause for a second, but then puts his shoulder right back between the two defenders and gets what he needed. You see so many guys trying to juke both defenders for more yards. And then another nice run as a wrote that. That was an NFL run. Tiny hole, bouncing off of bodies and keeping both his balance and power.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:30 PM
Like that first down run right there - he does pause for a second, but then puts his shoulder right back between the two defenders and gets what he needed. You see so many guys trying to juke both defenders for more yards. And then another nice run as a wrote that. That was an NFL run. Tiny hole, bouncing off of bodies and keeping both his balance and power.

As I've said before, I see a young Eddie George with his running style. And that's a big compliment. Upright runner, but hard nose running. Keeps pushing

And price did a bomb ass job on that pump fake. omg!

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:30 PM
Price has clearly been watching some RGIII film.

soybean
12-29-2011, 09:31 PM
Thank you Sark for keeping the Pac-12 respectable on the National stage, lets hope Chip Kelly and Shaw can keep up their end of the bargain.

Tedford embarassed us all yesterday.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:32 PM
Best bowl game I've seen all week.

Brent
12-29-2011, 09:33 PM
There's no D in Baylor, 9 wins = RG3 definitely deserved the heisman.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:34 PM
In a defense is optional game, Josh Shirley has really stood out. Good pursuit by him there.

armageddon
12-29-2011, 09:36 PM
Baylor blocks like the Rams, except Bradford can't move as well as RG3

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:37 PM
Polk all day!

soybean
12-29-2011, 09:37 PM
Washinton > Baylor

TACKLE
12-29-2011, 09:37 PM
U-DUB!!!!!!

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:38 PM
You gotta love games without defense. Washington is winning the battle in the trenches though.

Brent
12-29-2011, 09:38 PM
freaking AND1 football

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:39 PM
...and the crazy part is that Baylor is capable of scoring in one play.

Sloopy
12-29-2011, 09:39 PM
Doesn't get his due, certainly. Better pure nose prospect than Poe, who is more of a five technique in my opinion.

Pretty much, and Ta'amu is still pretty athletic for his size

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Hiesman is getting anxious.

Sloopy
12-29-2011, 09:40 PM
Would love to see if Grif can bring his team back at the end of the game on a big stage

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 09:41 PM
I realize they're doing it because they can't protect Griffin worth a damn, but these quick screens are a lousy showcase of what he can do.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:41 PM
Griffin hasn't really let one rip yet tonight. Wouldn't be surprised if that's something the emphasize at the start of the second half. They need to block out those two ends first though.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:43 PM
I realize they're doing it because they can't protect Griffin worth a damn, but these quick screens are a lousy showcase of what he can do.

It's lame as hell, but it looks like it got them points.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 09:44 PM
Holy **** a college kicker made a long one. Lost art in today's game.

It's lame as hell, but it looks like it got them points.

They'd be better off than 35-24 if they could protect a little better. Griffin is capable of so much more.

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 09:48 PM
...and the media trolling begins. RGIII gives me wood, but you don't take him over Luck. Figures it didn't start sooner.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 09:49 PM
Mark May is stupid. Griffin > Luck because "Newton and Vick" have changed the league.

I'll take Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, the Mannings, Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Matt Ryan......the "prototypical" passers over the...two....examples of successful non-prototypical QBs. One of whom cannot stay healthy and the other just finished his rookie year.

******* stupid ******** retards is what ESPN is full of. The only way that could have pissed me off more is if Trent Dilfer said it.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-29-2011, 09:50 PM
...and the media trolling begins. RGIII gives me wood, but you don't take him over Luck. Figures it didn't start sooner.

I know, right? I'm taking Griffin III over Luck because Luck isn't mobile and Griffin can overcome a bad line -.- . Really now?

soybean
12-29-2011, 09:51 PM
Mark May is stupid. Griffin > Luck because "Newton and Vick" have changed the league.

I'll take Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, the Mannings, Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Matt Ryan......the "prototypical" passers over the...two....examples of successful non-prototypical QBs. One of whom cannot stay healthy and the other just finished his rookie year.

******* stupid ******** retards is what ESPN is full of. The only way that could have pissed me off more is if Trent Dilfer said it.

You rather take Stafford, Romo, Cutler and Matt Ryan over Newton?

TACKLE
12-29-2011, 09:52 PM
Please people, do not waste your time discussing anything Mark May says. He's completely useless.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 09:52 PM
You rather take Stafford, Romo, Cutler and Matt Ryan over Newton?

Ask me again in at least one more year. He very well could overtake them but he's just a rookie.

And that wasn't the point of the argument. He cited two guys as having "changed" the league while most of the other guys on that list are setting all kinds of ridiculous league and team records for passing totals.

Brent
12-29-2011, 09:55 PM
Please people, do not waste your time discussing anything Mark May says. He's completely useless.
Please do not insult the word "useless" by associating it with Mark May.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 09:59 PM
If Mark May and Trent Dilfer were put into a fight to the death and the winner was shot in the head anyway...

...well that would be alright by me.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 10:03 PM
Nelly sure does a good job at rhyming This with This and This... talent.

keylime_5
12-29-2011, 10:04 PM
Mark May is stupid. Griffin > Luck because "Newton and Vick" have changed the league.

I'll take Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, the Mannings, Romo, Stafford, Cutler, Matt Ryan......the "prototypical" passers over the...two....examples of successful non-prototypical QBs. One of whom cannot stay healthy and the other just finished his rookie year.

******* stupid ******** retards is what ESPN is full of. The only way that could have pissed me off more is if Trent Dilfer said it.

yeah, may=moron is one of the most well-documented facts in the history of message boards.

nevermind that guys like Luck (Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Elway, Rodgers, etc.) win the super bowl every year while guys like Newton and Vick and Cunningham, etc. haven't even been to super bowls.

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 10:04 PM
Wow. Paused the game to eat some dinner, came back and hit play... and Price says, "Griffin, I'll see your TD run and raise you one."

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 10:05 PM
yeah, may=moron is one of the most well-documented facts in the history of message boards.

nevermind that guys like Luck (Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Elway, Rodgers, etc.) win the super bowl every year while guys like Newton and Vick and Cunningham, etc. haven't even been to super bowls.

last mobile Qb to make it? McNair? trying to think...

keylime_5
12-29-2011, 10:08 PM
McNabb went and McNair went. Steve Young won it. But those guys were all incredible pocket passers.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 10:08 PM
last mobile Qb to make it? McNair? trying to think...

McNabb "made it" but proceeded to puke and choke. And we all know that Jim Johnson's defenses were the real gem of those Eagles teams....

But yeah, McNabb and McNair....about it. Steve Young was mobile and won it, but he was also a damn good passer. (So was McNair.)

But none of those guys do quite what someone like Vick does.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 10:09 PM
priiiiice. damn.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 10:10 PM
McNabb went and McNair went. Steve Young won it. But those guys were all incredible pocket passers.

No. No. No. Not even close. I'd estimate that his completion percentage was less than 50% if you took away screens and dumpoffs in that easy offense.

Him throwing beyond 10 yards was a complete crap shoot. It might be near the guys feet...over his head....10 feet in front of him...or behind him....

Also. Washington. Wow. Griffin needs to pull off some serious heroic magic.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-29-2011, 10:10 PM
Remember when Kearse was a horrible WR that only dropped passes?

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 10:10 PM
Another impressive throw by Price. Washington's looking great tonight. That's Baylor's defense for you though, I guess. But way to elude the rush and then great touch to lead him away from the defender and down the field. That was nice.

Ensconatus
12-29-2011, 10:12 PM
i was hoping Washington would win this, but had my doubts against baylors fast offense and especially after the first drive.

islandboy843
12-29-2011, 10:13 PM
My god Baylor D is horrible

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 10:13 PM
Remember when Kearse was a horrible WR that only dropped passes?

I don't see how making a play when a defensive back falls down alleviates his issue with drops. He's big and athletic, capable of winning one on one matchups...but his hands are a major issue. Defiantly wouldn't take him until later in the draft, if at all.

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 10:14 PM
I don't see how making a play when a defensive back falls down alleviates his issue with drops.

He did still have to catch the ball. Something I'm not sure Ted Ginn could do for example....

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 10:15 PM
Runs like that, I wish Griffin would just slide. It's a first down, no need to turn and give the defender a shot at your head and neck like that.

soybean
12-29-2011, 10:15 PM
Who is the best defense RGIII has faced?

Caulibflower
12-29-2011, 10:17 PM
And sloppiest TD of the year goes to...

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 10:17 PM
Who is the best defense RGIII has faced?

...TCU?

Seriously. I don't know the statistical rankings or anything like that, but the Big 12 has an absolute dearth of anything resembling a good defense.

SchizophrenicBatman
12-29-2011, 10:17 PM
probably kansas state

4U2NV
12-29-2011, 10:18 PM
Wow, what a game. This one is definitely living up to the hype. Let's go UDUB!!

BeerBaron
12-29-2011, 10:19 PM
Too early to onsides kick? ;)

ElectricEye
12-29-2011, 10:20 PM
Who is the best defense RGIII has faced?

He had no problem lighting Texas up, who is 12th in the country in total defense.