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JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 10:36 AM
3pm release. Doubt if too much is added on to what OSU already self-imposed.

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 11:41 AM
I've heard one more scholarship reduction (currently is 5 'ship reduction spread over the next 3 years) added to the self-imposed sanctions and a 3-5 year show cause for Jim Tressel....meaning they are pretty much sentence served with the player suspensions, forfeited games, paid-back bowl money, minor scholarship reductions, and loss of their head coach. most of the weight is gonna fall on Tressel in this case.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 12:54 PM
Postseason ban in 2012

9 scholarships lost over three years

Extra year of probation after the schollies return.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 12:59 PM
Postseason ban in 2012

9 scholarships lost over three years

Extra year of probation after the schollies return.

Highly unlikely

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 01:00 PM
Postseason ban in 2012

9 scholarships lost over three years

Extra year of probation after the schollies return.

Push that bowl ban to this gator bowl.

Osu needs to fire gene smith this afternoon.

Also, the NCAA just ****** itself. No school will self report and cooperate with an investigation. Osu did and got hammered.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 01:02 PM
Push that bowl ban to this gator bowl.

Osu needs to fire gene smith this afternoon.

Also, the NCAA just ****** itself. No school will self report and cooperate with an investigation. Osu did and got hammered.

Wait is this the actual result? I literally can't find anything listing this. As far as I was concerned they weren't even releasing until 3.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:02 PM
Wait is this the actual result? I literally can't find anything listing this. As far as I was concerned they weren't even releasing until 3.

It was decided at 2, there was a press silence until 3 (yeah, like that lasted). Yes, that is the actual result.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 01:04 PM
It was decided at 2, there was a press silence until 3 (yeah, like that lasted). Yes, that is the actual result.

Not that I'm doubting you but can you throw up a link of any kind? I'm searching like crazy but can't find anything... not on the NCAA site not on ESPN nowhere in any news outlets

EDIT: http://twitter.com/#!/SportsCenter/status/149203557235703808

found one

Wow, the NCAA is ridiculous. I maintain that these infractions were relatively minor. I would like to see the report if anything else was found but if not then this is ludicrous.

Maybe I'm just being spiteful but considering Auburn payed a player to play amongst other violations around the league. In comparison this is small and isn't even close to the USC violations.

I wouldn't expect anyone to self report anytime soon if this is the "leniency" you get for opening up your books.

SickwithIt1010
12-20-2011, 01:06 PM
Bout ******* time the NCAA hits someone outside of USC. I cant hope for stuff like this on any school because I know what it was like being an SC fan, but the NCAA needs to be way more consistent with their rulings.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Bout ******* time the NCAA hits someone outside of USC. I cant hope for stuff like this on any school because I know what it was like being an SC fan, but the NCAA needs to be way more consistent with their rulings.

I don't think that you can even put this in the same breath as USC's violations and the school actually self reported a lot of the violations

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Push that bowl ban to this gator bowl.

Osu needs to fire gene smith this afternoon.

Also, the NCAA just ****** itself. No school will self report and cooperate with an investigation. Osu did and got hammered.

Eh, it's not that bad. USC got worse for less players being involved. Would I rather the Bowl Ban be this year? Yes, Gene Smith blew it by not doing what Miami did, but this is fair in and of itself.

Giantsfan1080
12-20-2011, 01:12 PM
I don't even think the ruling is bad at all. Stop your bitching.

On edit: Shane agrees and beat me to it.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 01:14 PM
Eh, it's not that bad. USC got worse for less players being involved. Would I rather the Bowl Ban be this year? Yes, Gene Smith blew it by not doing what Miami did, but this is fair in and of itself.

3 vs 5 and way worse violations. I still will be interested to read the report

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 01:22 PM
Eh, it's not that bad. USC got worse for less players being involved. Would I rather the Bowl Ban be this year? Yes, Gene Smith blew it by not doing what Miami did, but this is fair in and of itself.

You mean waiting until bowl season to hand down the ruling is fair? No it's assholic. Giving osu no time to make a decision this year. Being cooperative is a joke. USC had 32 major violations vs osu's five. Loic vs ftm. Don't mind the bowl ban but do it this season against the players that actually committed the violations.

And Rutgers fan go troll a thread in a sport that your school is relevant in.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:27 PM
You mean waiting until bowl season to hand down the ruling is fair? No it's assholic. Giving osu no time to make a decision this year. Being cooperative is a joke. USC had 32 major violations vs osu's five. Loic vs ftm. Don't mind the bowl ban but do it this season against the players that actually committed the violations.

And Rutgers fan go troll a thread in a sport that your school is relevant in.

How was Miami able to make a decision without a ruling being handed down? Come on, I hoped Gene Smith was smart enough to know this was coming.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:31 PM
From Yahoo's Charles Robinson:

"Key witness refused to cooperate w/ NCAA's Ohio State probe. Had he taken part, sanctions could have been far worse. OSU dodged a bullet. Witness was a civilian close to players."

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 01:35 PM
Gene Smith is a moron. Didn't self-impose a postseason ban because he was so certain that it wouldn't be necessary. What a moron. When are we gonna fire the worst AD in school history by far?

Message to schools nationwide: don't self-report or you'll get raped in the ass. Do like the SEC and cover everything up.

FootballGod
12-20-2011, 01:36 PM
The only part of this that is BS is the Bowl ban for next season. There will be Freshman and Sophomores on this team that will be punished for things that didn't even happen when they were there. The Bowl ban should have been for this season. This is complete F'in BS!!!!

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:39 PM
The only part of this that is BS is the Bowl ban for next season. There will be Freshman and Sophomores on this team that will be punished for things that didn't even happen when they were there. The Bowl ban should have been for this season. This is complete F'in BS!!!!

But what about the freshmen this year who had nothing to do with it! Oh the horror! Bowl Ban is institutional punishment, not worried about the players. Gene Smith had his shot for a self-imposed Bowl ban and blew it. God helps us if he becomes Big Ten commissioner.

Also, OSU can't play in Big Ten Title game next year per Big Ten rules

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 01:45 PM
But what about the freshmen this year who had nothing to do with it! Oh the horror! Bowl Ban is institutional punishment, not worried about the players.

Also, OSU can't play in Big Ten Title game next year per Big Ten rules

That is the killer IMO. Likely bcs bowl and a b1g champ game.

Gene needs to be fired ASAP. And I'd like to burn down the NCAA hq. they ruled instantly on auburn. If they go light on south Carolina I am gonna lose it.

FootballGod
12-20-2011, 01:45 PM
But what about the freshmen this year who had nothing to do with it! Oh the horror! Bowl Ban is institutional punishment, not worried about the players.

Also, OSU can't play in Big Ten Title game next year per Big Ten rules

Gene Smith needs to be fired on the spot. He was a smug a-hole this whole time with his prediction that no bowl ban was going to be put on OSU. That man is dead to me. He should have put a bowl ban on OSU this year. I care more about future recruiting and this is really going to bite into our now top 5 class. How many kids decommit from this news that we just got to hop on board?

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 01:45 PM
Not one of the 5 players will even be on the team for the ban...

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:47 PM
Gene Smith needs to be fired on the spot. He was a smug a-hole this whole time with his prediction that no bowl ban was going to be put on OSU. That man is dead to me. He should have put a bowl ban on OSU this year. I care more about future recruiting and this is really going to bite into our now top 5 class. How many kids decommit from this news that we just got to hop on board?

Eh, don't think you see many decommit as they are there for Meyer anyway.

Smith won't be fired, should be, but it would look too bad for OSU. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him. Maybe Gee will wise up though.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 01:49 PM
Eh, don't think you see many decommit as they are there for Meyer anyway.

Smith won't be fired, should be, but it would look too bad for OSU. Unfortunately, we are stuck with him. Maybe Gee will wise up though.

I just don't understand how you can allow the players involved in the sanctions to play in this years bowl game but come back next year and punish a coach and players who weren't even involved

Not to mention what this does for self reporting

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 01:50 PM
I just don't understand how you can allow the players involved in the sanctions to play in this years bowl game but come back next year and punish a coach and players who weren't even involved

Not to mention what this does for self reporting

Self reporting probably saved this from being worse IMO.

FootballGod
12-20-2011, 01:55 PM
Self reporting probably saved this from being worse IMO.

No F'in way. Auburn didn't give up any information and they walked away scotch free. I bet PSU, UNC, and Miami do not comply with the NCAA one bit. They are probably burning emails, hardrives, and photos as we speak. UNC and Miami better get the death penalty if this is what OSU gets for some kids getting tattoos by selling their own property and for a coach that covered up something that wasn't even a crime.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 02:00 PM
Self reporting probably saved this from being worse IMO.

If thats the case then the ruling is extremely inconsistent. FTM and LOC getting the same penalty works against them on a # of levels.

No team is going to self report as it doesn't help for **** and if your going to get the same penalty for LOC as FTM you might as well go all out with your recruiting violations and impermissible benefits etc.

I just really don't see how they quantify this with any sort of precedent. I mean the 5 players violations, in monetary measure, don't even come close to the smallest of USC's violations (over $7,000 worth of long distance calls made from the AD phone by a student-athlete IIRC)

EDIT: On ESPN, Joe Schad is reporting that legal advisors do not believe that there is any precedent for this type of punishment.

This punishment comes under a new NCAA president. This is why the NCAA is such a joke. There is no consistency, schools have no idea what to expect from year to year.

- 2 years ago USC receives death penalty for 3 notable players receiving extreme impermissible benefits
- Last year Auburn walks out scotch free
- This year Ohio State receives 1 year bowl ban and 1 year probation

What are we supposed to believe will happen to Miami, UNC or Oregon? Nothing? Death penalty? Somewhere in between?

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 02:18 PM
The punishment really doesn't bother me that much. The Tattgate and JT's coverup alone would not have netted a punishment this bad...but the DiGoronimo stuff that came out this summer on top of it was gonna give us some kind of strict punishment even if it was just scholarship loss and probation. The bowl ban wouldn't be that bad of thing either if we self-imposed it in advance.

...THAT is what bothers me - the fact that Gene Smith had a chance to self-impose a bowl ban this year with a 6-6 team instead of letting the chance linger that the NCAA would hit us with one that could hurt a potential Big Ten championship/BCS bowl caliber team next year. It also can potentially hurt our 2012 recruiting class.

...Gene Smith really messed up big time. Epic failure on his part. I cannot stand him, he needs to go - the media needs to turn up the pressure on Gene Smith big time. He's handled this thing about as badly as he could have.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 02:21 PM
The punishment really doesn't bother me that much. The Tattgate and JT's coverup alone would not have netted a punishment this bad...but the DiGoronimo stuff that came out this summer on top of it was gonna give us some kind of strict punishment even if it was just scholarship loss and probation. The bowl ban wouldn't be that bad of thing either if we self-imposed it in advance.

...THAT is what bothers me - the fact that Gene Smith had a chance to self-impose a bowl ban this year with a 6-6 team instead of letting the chance linger that the NCAA would hit us with one that could hurt a potential Big Ten championship/BCS bowl caliber team next year. It also can potentially hurt our 2012 recruiting class.

...Gene Smith really messed up big time. Epic failure on his part. I cannot stand him, he needs to go - the media needs to turn up the pressure on Gene Smith big time.

This is very true

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 02:25 PM
Self reporting probably saved this from being worse IMO.

How? I don't see it. Not enough for an Loic.

FootballGod
12-20-2011, 02:31 PM
How? I don't see it. Not enough for an Loic.

I second this ^

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 02:35 PM
How? I don't see it. Not enough for an Loic.

Doesn't mean the penalty couldn't have been more. There was more to it even that the NCAA couldn't prove that could have increased the penalty.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 02:41 PM
Here is the full report:
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/12/ohio_state_buckeyes_football_p_4.html

yodabear
12-20-2011, 02:47 PM
I don't like bowl bans man, I think its stupid. And this is coming from some1 that hates Ohio State. Didn't all the players that broke the rules move on to other stuff? The coach got fired. Just like in USC, the **** hit the fan AFTER Reggie Bush left. So why punish the kids that are doing it right for their school's bull ****.

Cudders
12-20-2011, 02:51 PM
First, the last program to receive the death penalty was SMU. There's a huge difference between a bowl ban and the death penalty.

Secondly, as an Ohio State fan, I'm hardly enraged by the ruling. I don't think anyone would argue that the NCAA's imposed sanctions haven't been somewhat of a joke lately, but sadly, the only way to establish a stronger deterrent to rule-breaking is by making an example of a program. If you willingly ignore the rules and lie about it to investigators, then be prepared to swallow your punishment. Now, if the next ruling on failure to monitor or lack of institutional control is more lenient, Buckeye fans will have reasonable grounds to complain. Until then, channel your frustrations at athletic director Gene Smith.

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 02:58 PM
First, the last program to receive the death penalty was SMU. There's a huge difference between a bowl ban and the death penalty.

Secondly, as an Ohio State fan, I'm hardly enraged by the ruling. I don't think anyone would argue that the NCAA's imposed sanctions haven't been somewhat of a joke lately, but sadly, the only way to establish a stronger deterrent to rule-breaking is by making an example of a program. If you willingly ignore the rules and lie about it to investigators, then be prepared to swallow your punishment. Now, if the next ruling on failure to monitor or lack of institutional control is more lenient, Buckeye fans will have reasonable grounds to complain. Until then, channel your frustrations at athletic director Gene Smith.

I think if you read any OSU message board right now, you will find out that about 99% of the complaining and hate speech is aimed at Gene Smith and Gordon Gee for being complete and total morons about how they handled this whole thing - most specificially with the whole bowl ban thing that they could have easily dodged with little backlash.

Getting a bowl ban isn't a huge deal....but being assured by the administrators that we wouldn't and still getting one is really frustrating to say the least.

bearsfan_51
12-20-2011, 03:04 PM
This is less than USC, and will be far less than Miami. I don't think it's that bad.

iowatreat54
12-20-2011, 03:05 PM
Seriously, it's not that bad at all. For a school like OSU, this hurts them maybe for one season (next). But honestly, Meyer is bringing a lot of talent in, but it's not like they were expected to go undefeated and make the NCG. The no Big Ten Champ. game hurts, but it's only one season.

Meyer will likely have them in the Champ. game annually, so not being able to win it in his first season is hardly worth crying over.

And the scholarships? Oh, so you go from being able to offer 22 per year for 3 years instead of 23.4 per year over 3 years (I believe). How on earth will you manage without that extra 3* player?

Plus, stop with the "I guess if you self report you will get punished harder than if you don't" bs. It's not like OSU just found out and reported it right away and was 100% cooperative. They only started coming clean after they were caught and then tried to save face by imposing minimal punishments. The lesson isn't "don't report or you get screwed," it's "report it before the media finds out and when your star player is driving a new car every week don't act like you had no idea **** was going on."

Anyways, the point is moot because this will have little to no negative effects on OSU. It will only cause fans to ***** and moan come this time next year when they can't play in a bowl game.

EDIT: Also had to add that the OSU athletic department completely botched this, no idea how they are all still employed. And it doesn't matter that none of the kids are still on the team, they were a part of the university so the university is punished. That's how it is everywhere, it's not like the NCAA is picking on OSU.

soybean
12-20-2011, 03:39 PM
I love how all the OSU fans are claiming they should have self imposed a bowl ban this year. doubt you all would be singing the same tune if you were going to the Rose Bowl.

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 03:56 PM
I love how all the OSU fans are claiming they should have self imposed a bowl ban this year. doubt you all would be singing the same tune if you were going to the Rose Bowl.

no **** sherlock. the fact that we are 6-6 this year and in a meaningless gator bowl getting bowl practices from a coaching staff and offensive/defensive systems that won't be at Ohio State next season made it so self-imposing a bowl ban this year would've been low risk/high reward opportunity. If we won a Big Ten title and were in a BCS bowl then obviously we would've taken that without second thought and suffered a bowl ban next year.

soybean
12-20-2011, 04:20 PM
Furthermore, you guys are assuming that if you self imposed a bowl ban, ncaa would have taken leniency in 2012-2013. You don't know that. For all we know you'd not only miss out on the this years bowl along with next years.

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 05:22 PM
Considering that they gave us a ONE year bowl ban, it is safe to assume that they would not have given us a two year bowl ban when looking at precedents set. It would've been way unfair. In fact, what we got busted for in the past did not call for a bowl ban which is exactly why everyone is shocked and stunned that we ended up getting even a one year postseason ban. No question in my mind do we not get the 2012/13 postseason ban if we self impose a 2011/12 one........AND even if we did get another year it would be worth it to try and avoid a future one in the first place. It's not like the NCAA didn't accept Ohio State's self-imposed sanctions, they just added to them. Accepting a self-imposed postseason ban means no way would they give us an extra one.

soybean
12-20-2011, 05:39 PM
the NCAA is garbage. there's no precedent or predicting what they hand down. And who cares? yes you miss out next year but at least the ban is lifted when your freshman qb is a junior having a year under him in Meyer's belt. It may seem like a big deal but it won't be in the grand scheme of things. The scholarship reduction wont hurt much if at all, all it does it depth but OSU doesn't go 88 deep regardless. None of the top teams do.

keylime_5
12-20-2011, 05:44 PM
I know that the NCAA isn't very consistent with it's precedents and the one year ban is proof of that, but it was quite obvious that there is no freaking way they would give Ohio State a TWO year ban with the violations they had. This is not USC or Miami, nothing close to that.

The Bowl ban hurts b/c it is a potential Big Ten title and even BCS or national title hyphothetically speaking. That is a big deal. it also takes away bowl practice time which is a pivotal thing in the development of a team and probably the one thing that coaches will miss the most out of all of this. Having to go to 82 scholarships per year for 3 years instead of 85 isn't the biggest of deals but it hurts a little. the Postseason ban is definitely the biggest thing though and could have been avoided if our GM wasn't a moron (who btw is taking a lot of heat right now from boosters and media I hear).

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 05:50 PM
Professionalize. The NCAA is garbage. CFB is shady and it's because a bunch of people want to pretend that these kids are amateurs.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 05:55 PM
Furthermore, you guys are assuming that if you self imposed a bowl ban, ncaa would have taken leniency in 2012-2013. You don't know that. For all we know you'd not only miss out on the this years bowl along with next years.

Most experts feel that it would have removed the bowl ban.

Smooth Criminal
12-20-2011, 05:58 PM
I've always hated bowl bans on teams. Doesn't punish the people that it should be punishing. Yes, its the same program and its really the only power the NCAA has, but it just sucks for the entire team that is banned that didn't do anything to deserve it.

As to the punishment itself, its about what I was expecting, and I can't believe its not this year instead of next year. I'd love to see Smith fired over this, its his job to know things like this are coming. Just makes no sense to move it back a year, punish a new coach and players rather than the ones that are still remaining.

College football is inconsistent and unfair at times, but this is the most just punishment I've seen out of USC, Auburn, and OSU. The other two schools should have been closer to this type of a thing.

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 05:58 PM
Most experts feel that it would have removed the bowl ban.

Yep. Gene Smith is an incompetent idiot. I have no idea how he has a job.

Smooth Criminal
12-20-2011, 05:59 PM
Most experts feel that it would have removed the bowl ban.

Not to mention no one would care if we missed this years bowl with a 6-6 team.

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 07:24 PM
I love how all the OSU fans are claiming they should have self imposed a bowl ban this year. doubt you all would be singing the same tune if you were going to the Rose Bowl.

I've actually said on numerous occasions that we should decline any bowls. All for a # of reasons but one of which was the whole sanctioning thing

mellojello
12-20-2011, 08:00 PM
These sanctions are a joke, a slap on the wrist...for a program like OSU, won't impact the program at all.

Shane P. Hallam
12-20-2011, 08:02 PM
I think the only issue the team will have with it is Urban Meyer not getting the Bowl Practices next year to prep for Year 2. Obviously if they have a great year and win the division, that is harsh too.

SickwithIt1010
12-20-2011, 08:25 PM
I don't think that you can even put this in the same breath as USC's violations and the school actually self reported a lot of the violations

So since you self reported it you should be let off with a slap on the wrist? Its just the fact that people have done some ****** up stuff since the USC incident and there has been a few schools that have gotten away with it. Im not saying this as a SC homer, I'm saying it as a college football fan...the NCAA needs to be a lot more consistent.

Raiderz4Life
12-20-2011, 08:49 PM
I agree this is total BS. Should have gotten 2 years minimum.

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 09:08 PM
So since you self reported it you should be let off with a slap on the wrist? Its just the fact that people have done some ****** up stuff since the USC incident and there has been a few schools that have gotten away with it. Im not saying this as a SC homer, I'm saying it as a college football fan...the NCAA needs to be a lot more consistent.

You are correct about the NCAA being a joke. It's horribly inconsistent.

OSU and USC aren't equivalents. I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other, they are two very different situations.

People need to stop with that. Far different levels of money. Different levels of third party involvement. And different level of school officials being involved.

After looking back, I am fine with a bowl ban, but it should have been this season. The NCAA dragged it's heels on this one to damage OSU further than the letter of their punishment. Oh well.

OSU isn't innocent, and I think there is a whole bunch more that didn't see the light of day that had nothing to do with JT. That would actually be quite a bit worse than USC.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the mob was involved with some characters in this affair, including the booster that was the main reason that this was worsened. Bobby DeGeronimo refused to cooperate with the NCAA.

He was involved with "jobs" with the likes of Teddy Ginn, Troy Smith, and many others.

Bobby D and Edward Rife (the tat parlor drug dealer) refused to cooperate. With the rumors and allegations going around for years, it sounds like there may have been some point shaving going on. No one is talking. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Charles Robinson tweeted that Bobby D refused to talk because he fears for his life. And I doubt that has anything to do with Les Wexner.

Supposedly, the mob is involved at quite a few major schools. The rumors involve Auburn and Alabama. And allegedly others. There are federal investigations that tie this stuff together.

Who knows if they see the light of day, but these rumors started BEFORE Tatgate, which itself only came to the light of day due to a leak from a federal investigation.

JoeJoeBrown
12-20-2011, 09:15 PM
BTW, this Tweet by Jay Bilas about the OSU sanctions sums it up well:

JayBilas Jay Bilas
Son violated family rule. Self-imposed two week XBox ban. Wife and I will hold hearing, judgment by April. Will likely sanction his sister.
14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Sloopy
12-20-2011, 09:27 PM
So since you self reported it you should be let off with a slap on the wrist? Its just the fact that people have done some ****** up stuff since the USC incident and there has been a few schools that have gotten away with it. Im not saying this as a SC homer, I'm saying it as a college football fan...the NCAA needs to be a lot more consistent.

I'm sorry man but as I said earlier: On a monetary scale, the sum of the infractions made by OSU players doesn't even come close to the smallest violation against USC (about $7,000 worth of long distance telephone calls made from an AD phone by a student athlete [female tennis player] IIRC).

After that minor violation you can throw on two more players who made multiple major violations to USC's rap sheet. So yea... it's not even close when compared to USC

End of the day I am not upset with the penalty as it really doesn't affect us as badly. I'm pissed at Smith and want his head on a platter. My only real problem with the punishment is the lack of consistency that the NCAA has shown over the last 5 years if not longer...

SickwithIt1010
12-21-2011, 12:22 AM
I'm sorry man but as I said earlier: On a monetary scale, the sum of the infractions made by OSU players doesn't even come close to the smallest violation against USC (about $7,000 worth of long distance telephone calls made from an AD phone by a student athlete [female tennis player] IIRC).

After that minor violation you can throw on two more players who made multiple major violations to USC's rap sheet. So yea... it's not even close when compared to USC

End of the day I am not upset with the penalty as it really doesn't affect us as badly. I'm pissed at Smith and want his head on a platter. My only real problem with the punishment is the lack of consistency that the NCAA has shown over the last 5 years if not longer...

Exactly, you guys didnt get what we got. We got 2 years and what? 5 years of scholarship reductions. We lose 5 a year and can only have 75 players on our roster. But to think that you guys got it rough is comical.

Edit: we lost 30 scholarships, **** me

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-21-2011, 10:20 AM
I've always hated bowl bans on teams. Doesn't punish the people that it should be punishing. Yes, its the same program and its really the only power the NCAA has, but it just sucks for the entire team that is banned that didn't do anything to deserve it.



What alternative is there? Make guys pay back their scholarships? Having to deal with that is part of being a team. I'm sure guys on the team knew what they were doing and decided to keep their mouths shut.

keylime_5
12-21-2011, 10:26 AM
There is no question that USC got hammered much worse and that what they did was worse. I think OSU's punishment is pretty fair. I have no problem with that. The media/fans who think we should've gotten hit like USC have no clue what they are talking about and have no idea what the details to either case are or the magnitude of either one.

As I've already said, my only beef is with the bowl ban that could've been moved to this year if our administration wasn't so dumb and/or the people who were advising them weren't so full of it when they said there was no way we'd get a bowl ban. If we had self-imposed a bowl ban this year then there would be very little complaining from OSU fans right now. We're mad at our own people.

mellojello
12-21-2011, 01:26 PM
I'm sorry man but as I said earlier: On a monetary scale, the sum of the infractions made by OSU players doesn't even come close to the smallest violation against USC (about $7,000 worth of long distance telephone calls made from an AD phone by a student athlete [female tennis player] IIRC).

After that minor violation you can throw on two more players who made multiple major violations to USC's rap sheet. So yea... it's not even close when compared to USC

The NCAA ruled that those self-reported phone calls by the tennis player was a "major" violation and it formed a significant basis for LOIC. SC actually argued that the calls were "minor," but the NCAA disagreed.

There is some serious inconsistency by the NCAA here and at the end of the day, it should not matter if you are an Ohio St. fan if all you care about is how it affects your football program. This changes nothing in terms of your status to remain a power house. Despite SC getting a leg chopped off, you can see that they continue to attract very talented players and all you can do it tip your hat to them. I know that Lane Kiffin has a reputation of being a good recruiter, but it goes without saying that he is no Urban Meyer.

DraftSavant
12-21-2011, 01:30 PM
Exactly, you guys didnt get what we got. We got 2 years and what? 5 years of scholarship reductions. We lose 5 a year and can only have 75 players on our roster. But to think that you guys got it rough is comical.

Edit: we lost 30 scholarships, **** me

USC fans still blaming the NCAA instead of Mike Garrett and Reggie Bush. smh

keylime_5
12-21-2011, 01:31 PM
The thing with USC is that they haven't even started to feel the punishment yet. If I'm not mistaken they were appealing the sanctions so the scholarship reductions haven't kicked in yet. The Bowl ban sentence is already served, but I don't think they've started playing with a 75 man roster yet. I could be wrong but that's what someone told me.

DraftSavant
12-21-2011, 01:54 PM
The thing with USC is that they haven't even started to feel the punishment yet. If I'm not mistaken they were appealing the sanctions so the scholarship reductions haven't kicked in yet. The Bowl ban sentence is already served, but I don't think they've started playing with a 75 man roster yet. I could be wrong but that's what someone told me.

Yeah, scholarship reductions kick in this year.

soybean
12-21-2011, 02:02 PM
what do you guys make of this?

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/941/sportsnation.png

Ohio State fan: America is just a bunch of uneducated sports fans. Everybody is wrong. we are right.

^^ Im guessing that's the majority of the sentiment going around.

keylime_5
12-21-2011, 03:17 PM
what we learn from this map:

Ohio: biased towards Ohio State.

Rest of America: biased against Ohio State b/c they win every year.

Maine & New Hampshire: "we don't care about football, leave us alone"

Sloopy
12-21-2011, 03:30 PM
Exactly, you guys didnt get what we got. We got 2 years and what? 5 years of scholarship reductions. We lose 5 a year and can only have 75 players on our roster. But to think that you guys got it rough is comical.

Edit: we lost 30 scholarships, **** me

That was my point. Well sort of.... I was saying that the situations aren't similar and therefore our punishment should not be similar. I don't know if it was you but someone said that we got off easily compared to USC. Yes our punishment was less because the infractions at USC trump ours by miles.

It's not that the sanctions are rough, I just happen to believe that the infractions don't equal the sanctions which we got. I'm not the only one; whatever legal source Je Schad consulted believes that there is no precedent set for this kind of punishment considering what went down.

It's not that this will hurt us in anyway, I mean just look at what the Urban higher is doing for our recruiting and incoming freshmen won't be deterred by a bowl ban for a year that they might not see the field anyway. The point is that it is harsh considering the circumstances

sbh15
12-21-2011, 04:29 PM
what we learn from this map:

Ohio: biased towards Ohio State.

Rest of America: biased against Ohio State b/c they win every year.

Maine & New Hampshire: "we don't care about football, leave us alone"

what we learn from this post:

the world hates ohio statezzzz becuz theyre teh bezt

Sloopy
12-21-2011, 05:01 PM
what we learn from this post:

the world hates ohio statezzzz becuz theyre teh bezt

I don't think thats the point. Obviously most of the Ohio State fans are in Ohio so that state obviously went in a certain direction.

The same would occur if Florida got a sanction. everywhere else would think it wasn't enough and the state of Florida would find it harsh.

Don't try to act like this is the result of some unreal homerism on the fans parts and it wouldn't happen anywhere else

soybean
12-21-2011, 05:20 PM
I don't think thats the point. Obviously most of the Ohio State fans are in Ohio so that state obviously went in a certain direction.

The same would occur if Florida got a sanction. everywhere else would think it wasn't enough and the state of Florida would find it harsh.

Don't try to act like this is the result of some unreal homerism on the fans parts and it wouldn't happen anywhere else

cmon you know it depends on the degree of the sanction.

If miami got the death penalty do you think there's gonna be a sports nation poll where 49 states and the rest of the world are claiming it to be too lenient?

if everyone's saying it's too lenient then maybe it's because too lenient.

btw i dont hate OSU at all, i actually thought they did the right thing, they fired Jim Tressel who was knowingly (and proved to be) hiding evidence so his players could play.

Sloopy
12-21-2011, 05:30 PM
I guarantee you that if the same situation/same sanction occurred in another major CFB state, the state in question would be singing a different tune. I love that Alabama would call for blood after the whole Auburn ordeal.

I'll preface this by saying I respect almost nothing related to sports nation... It's the American Idol of sports and I don't know of two hosts who no less about the sports that they report on.

I don't see how you can honestly say that the sanctions were to lenient based on what actually happened. There were some fairly minor violations and a FTM charge... what exactly should have happened here?

2 year bowl ban? More sanctions? then your getting back into the argument of comparing this to USC's LOIC

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
12-21-2011, 06:27 PM
There is no question that USC got hammered much worse and that what they did was worse. I think OSU's punishment is pretty fair. I have no problem with that. The media/fans who think we should've gotten hit like USC have no clue what they are talking about and have no idea what the details to either case are or the magnitude of either one.

As I've already said, my only beef is with the bowl ban that could've been moved to this year if our administration wasn't so dumb and/or the people who were advising them weren't so full of it when they said there was no way we'd get a bowl ban. If we had self-imposed a bowl ban this year then there would be very little complaining from OSU fans right now. We're mad at our own people.

uhhh what? Tressel flat out lied to the NCAA. More players were involved in the ohio state scandal.

mellojello
12-21-2011, 06:38 PM
uhhh what? Tressel flat out lied to the NCAA. More players were involved in the ohio state scandal.Per Paul Dee, "high-profile athletes demand high-profile compliance," so SC should have known that wannabe agents were funneling money to Bush's parents in San Diego, even though these allegations only surfaced after Bush declared for the draft.

In the case of Ohio State, no such "high profile" players exist, so it's a different case and standard altogether. Apples and Oranges.

keylime_5
12-21-2011, 07:27 PM
uhhh what? Tressel flat out lied to the NCAA. More players were involved in the ohio state scandal.

USC = 30 violations

OSU= 9 violations

/story


you apparently fall into this category:

The media/fans who think we should've gotten hit like USC have no clue what they are talking about and have no idea what the details to either case are or the magnitude of either one.

Sloopy
12-21-2011, 07:33 PM
uhhh what? Tressel flat out lied to the NCAA. More players were involved in the ohio state scandal.

More players is probably the least influential statistic in either case.

The fact is that the 5 OSU players combined had less violations (and smaller violations) than the 3 USC players... and I'm getting really tired of reiterating it

Raiderz4Life
12-21-2011, 08:06 PM
what we learn from this map:

Ohio: biased towards Ohio State.

Rest of America: biased against Ohio State b/c they win every year.

Maine & New Hampshire: "we don't care about football, leave us alone"

Win...win what??

Sloopy
12-21-2011, 08:10 PM
Win...win what??

I wish I could say sugar bowl :(

soybean
12-21-2011, 08:34 PM
USC = 30 violations

OSU= 9 violations

/story


you apparently fall into this category:

More players is probably the least influential statistic in either case.

The fact is that the 5 OSU players combined had less violations (and smaller violations) than the 3 USC players... and I'm getting really tired of reiterating it

The thing is what tressel did is a prime example of "lack of institutional control" clear and present proof he attempted to hide it.

There is no proof or evidence that Carroll knew anything about what was going on. (even if he did)

The thing that works in OSU's favor though is that they fired Tressel after the allegations.

Sloopy
12-21-2011, 08:45 PM
The thing is what tressel did is a prime example of "lack of institutional control" clear and present proof he attempted to hide it.

There is no proof or evidence that Carroll knew anything about what was going on. (even if he did)

The thing that works in OSU's favor though is that they fired Tressel after the allegations.

This is absolutely false. The calls made by the tennis player were from an athletic department phone, so at the very least the AD knew at least some of what was going on

In fact in the original report it states that the AD failed to heed clear warning signs

SickwithIt1010
12-21-2011, 08:50 PM
Edit: Wrong thread

mellojello
12-21-2011, 08:59 PM
And the fact that the NCAA was unable to tie the benefits Bush's parents received to the University is completely irrelevant when you have a guy like Paul Dee, who knows a thing or two about cheating, overseeing the process. He knew SC was cheating and fortunately, when you a bold leader like that, facts don't get in the way of justice. He showed Garrett who's the boss.

mellojello
12-21-2011, 09:05 PM
This is absolutely false. The calls made by the tennis player were from an athletic department phone, so at the very least the AD knew at least some of what was going on


Clearly, it does not matter that USC self-reported this "Major" violation.

More importantly, let us not forget that the female tennis player in question was from Romania. I suspect she is a vampire.

keylime_5
12-21-2011, 10:16 PM
Win...win what??

oh just football games, Big Ten Titles, BCS Bowls, stuff like that.

JHL6719
12-21-2011, 10:29 PM
Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

The One Year Bowl is an attention magnet, but that just helps divert attention from the fcat they only lost NINE scholarships, and over 3 years. There is just no teeth in this penalty.


The people responsible for "Monitoring and Controlling" the program were found guilty of conspiring to break rules. They offered one up as sacrifice, and TWO still retain their jobs.


All OSU is losing here is one postseason, and in the first Meyer year that may not turn out to be too big of an issue - and then they are cleared to compete for Titles from that point on.

And the NCAA also graciously afforded them the ability to have the two separate staffs to help them negotiate such tragic, harsh times..

JHL6719
12-21-2011, 10:34 PM
The NCAA is completely inconsistent, and has always been. Shut up OSU fans.

Go look at the penalty Nebraska gets for self reporting textbook 'violations', as opposed to what Alabama got for the exact same textbook 'violations'.

Come back and whine some more....

JoeJoeBrown
12-21-2011, 10:39 PM
Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

The One Year Bowl is an attention magnet, but that just helps divert attention from the fcat they only lost NINE scholarships, and over 3 years. There is just no teeth in this penalty.


The people responsible for "Monitoring and Controlling" the program were found guilty of conspiring to break rules. They offered one up as sacrifice, and TWO still retain their jobs.


All OSU is losing here is one postseason, and in the first Meyer year that may not turn out to be too big of an issue - and then they are cleared to compete for Titles from that point on.

And the NCAA also graciously afforded them the ability to have the two separate staffs to help them negotiate such tragic, harsh times..

I'm just trying to think about how bad the NCAA would punish Alabama if Albert Means was caught getting paid $50k this year. Granted, that's small potatoes nowadays at bama (escalades baby) but it's fun to think about.

JoeJoeBrown
12-21-2011, 10:43 PM
And the fact that the NCAA was unable to tie the benefits Bush's parents received to the University is completely irrelevant when you have a guy like Paul Dee, who knows a thing or two about cheating, overseeing the process. He knew SC was cheating and fortunately, when you a bold leader like that, facts don't get in the way of justice. He showed Garrett who's the boss.

Your crying brings me strength. You might want to ask OJ Mayo if high ranking members in the ad and basketball team (like his head coach) knew of him getting illegal benefits.

USCs ad was dirty and they got caught.

JoeJoeBrown
12-21-2011, 10:44 PM
Win...win what??

I think the pot has ruined your brain.

JoeJoeBrown
12-21-2011, 10:47 PM
what do you guys make of this?

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/941/sportsnation.png

Ohio State fan: America is just a bunch of uneducated sports fans. Everybody is wrong. we are right.

^^ Im guessing that's the majority of the sentiment going around.

I'm guessing that you believe the crap that is shoveled at you by the likes of the meatheads at ESPN. They weren't big on the UsC story because yahoo broke it.

ESPN is poo and only push agendas for ratings not for journalistic integrity.

JHL6719
12-21-2011, 11:28 PM
I'm just trying to think about how bad the NCAA would punish Alabama if Albert Means was caught getting paid $50k this year. Granted, that's small potatoes nowadays at bama (escalades baby) but it's fun to think about.


I can guarantee you Alabama wouldn't be afforded two seperate staffs...

The NCAA would bury Alabama, just like they did when they (and the FBI) didn't have a shred of evidence and no money trail leading to Albert Means. They don't need it. They had the exact same lack of evidence in the Means case as they did the Cam Newton case. Bama gets hammered. Auburn gets off.

The NCAA tried to bury Bama for Antonio Langham signing his name on a napkin in a restraunt.

I know you Big-10-11-12 fans are sick and tired of watching your sissy football teams get their guts stomped out by the SEC, but you don't have any idea what it's like to really be in the crosshairs of the corrupt NCAA, who can do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.

keylime_5
12-21-2011, 11:38 PM
Ouch. My wrist. etc, etc....uniformed bs i dont' feel like reposting




whether the NCAA makes sense or is fair or not is one thing. let's get some facts straight first.

you obviously have no idea what the ncaa found USC guilty of and what ramifications it holds. you also have no idea what "lack of institional control" is by definition of the ncaa. having one coach lie and playing ineligibible players isn't LOIC. it is isolated. losing nine scholarships wasn't ohio state's punishment either. they also had several players suspended for a number of games, forfeited wins and bowl money, had to fire their coach, had the bowl ban, and are on probation. if you look up what penalties teams got in the past for similar violations you will see that OSU's are harsher than those teams' hence why everyone at the university was told we wouldn't get a bowl ban.

i would love to have an educated debate between informed posters. so come back when you aren't an uninformed trolling hater.

JHL6719
12-21-2011, 11:57 PM
whether the NCAA makes sense or is fair or not is one thing. let's get some facts straight first.

you obviously have no idea what the ncaa found USC guilty of and what ramifications it holds. you also have no idea what "lack of institional control" is by definition of the ncaa. having one coach lie and playing ineligibible players isn't LOIC. it is isolated. losing nine scholarships wasn't ohio state's punishment either. they also had several players suspended for a number of games, forfeited wins and bowl money, had to fire their coach, had the bowl ban, and are on probation. if you look up what penalties teams got in the past for similar violations you will see that OSU's are harsher than those teams' hence why everyone at the university was told we wouldn't get a bowl ban.

i would love to have an educated debate between informed posters. so come back when you aren't an uninformed trolling hater.


The NCAA's 'definition' has nothing to do with the penalties they hand out when your program is in the REPEAT VIOLATER status.

I know damn well you won't touch the rest of my post because it makes too much sense.

Rather than continuously whine about the SEC, OSU fans should be thankful for the slap on the wrist. Bama has gotten much worse from the NCAA for MUCH, MUCH less. More than once.

OSU is lucky they didn't have to face the LOI charges because the NCAA had enough to cremate them if they just felt froggy... but apparently they don't have the desire to.

mellojello
12-22-2011, 12:01 AM
Your crying brings me strength. You might want to ask OJ Mayo if high ranking members in the ad and basketball team (like his head coach) knew of him getting illegal benefits.

USCs ad was dirty and they got caught.Crying? It is a fact that USC and Ohio State are both dirty programs. Both got caught cheating, both are corrupt, and I'm glad both were sanctioned. I wouldn't be proud if my alma mater were involved in either scandal, but as an outside observer, it is not hard for me to see the inconsistency by the NCAA.

JoeJoeBrown
12-22-2011, 12:09 AM
I can guarantee you Alabama wouldn't be afforded two seperate staffs...

The NCAA would bury Alabama, just like they did when they (and the FBI) didn't have a shred of evidence and no money trail leading to Albert Means. They don't need it. They had the exact same lack of evidence in the Means case as they did the Cam Newton case. Bama gets hammered. Auburn gets off.

The NCAA tried to bury Bama for Antonio Langham signing his name on a napkin in a restraunt.

I know you Big-10-11-12 fans are sick and tired of watching your sissy football teams get their guts stomped out by the SEC, but you don't have any idea what it's like to really be in the crosshairs of the corrupt NCAA, who can do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.

Rawr! That's the kind of Pollyanna homer whining I was hoping to evoke! I'm sure the NCAA is going to have a field the next time they visit Tuscaloosa. I'll hold a little place in my heart for you on that day, as I know that you've worked very hard for the team, as evidenced by your overbearing and obnoxious pride.

Yes, OSU has sucked against the Sec in bowl games. I hope that helps your redneck ass sleep well at night. I'm not sure what that has to do with bama vs osu, so if you could please explain it I would appeciate it. You are the most coherent and intelligent bama fan I've ever encountered. You are insane, but I respect that.

JoeJoeBrown
12-22-2011, 12:15 AM
Crying? It is a fact that USC and Ohio State are both dirty programs. Both got caught cheating, both are corrupt, and I'm glad both were sanctioned. I wouldn't be proud if my alma mater were involved in either scandal, but as an outside observer, it is not hard for me to see the inconsistency by the NCAA.

They don't compare. See my long diatribe. Agree that they are both dirty, far likely far dirtier than what they were punished for.

I think every major program is dirtier than hell. Degrees may be different but there is too much money in an "amateur" sport for there to not be lots of corruption.

Hell the head of the NCAA was chancellor of lsu for awhile. No one could convince me that he is remotely clean. How can that guy hand out fair punishments or conduct fair investigations? It's a giant shitshow that I want blown up.

JHL6719
12-22-2011, 12:37 AM
Rawr! That's the kind of Pollyanna homer whining I was hoping to evoke! I'm sure the NCAA is going to have a field the next time they visit Tuscaloosa. I'll hold a little place in my heart for you on that day, as I know that you've worked very hard for the team, as evidenced by your overbearing and obnoxious pride.

Yes, OSU has sucked against the Sec in bowl games. I hope that helps your redneck ass sleep well at night. I'm not sure what that has to do with bama vs osu, so if you could please explain it I would appeciate it. You are the most coherent and intelligent bama fan I've ever encountered. You are insane, but I respect that.


It doesn't have anything to do with Bama vs. OSU... unless you just want to talk about Woody Hayes being Bear Bryant's b*tch :^O! But I won't put you through that right now.

OSU has a great tradition and I have respect for their program. But ****.... you whiny a** yankmee *******'s are worse than a bunch of teenage girls with your constant rants about the SEC.

You're definitely not the most coherent and intelligent OSU fan I've ever encountered... I'd have to give that honor to the guy I ran into last night wearing the Ohio St. sweatshirt in Wal-Mart that was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.. although you may be 2nd or 3rd on the list....

Now run along before I have to convert from ringing your chubby little cheeks, and give you a good ol' fashioned country boy a** whoopin'....

You know you're my boy Joe-Joe... otherwise I wouldn't **** with you.

Merry Christmas!

brat316
12-22-2011, 01:08 AM
The NCAA is completely inconsistent, and has always been. Shut up OSU fans.

Go look at the penalty Nebraska gets for self reporting textbook 'violations', as opposed to what Alabama got for the exact same textbook 'violations'.

Come back and whine some more....

not exact same
On June 11, 2009, Alabama was sanctioned for textbook-related infractions involving 16 of 19 sports, including football. They were forced to vacate 21 wins from the 2005, 2006, and 2007 seasons and were put on three years probation, ending in June 2012.[130] The university stated "none of the textbooks or materials was used for profit or to get items not related to academics, and that the athletes involved who still have eligibility remaining have had to pay restitution."[131] Alabama's appeal of the ruling was unsuccessfu


According to NCAA rules, providing textbooks beyond the required reading is not permissible. Nebraska athletes also were receiving "recommended" textbooks for their various classes.

It is mildly amusing that the NCAA, with its commitment to academic excellence and all, is discouraging schools from helping student athletes learn more.

Nebraska discovered the violation on its own and as a preventative measure, self-imposed a two-year probation and fined itself $28,000.

The extra textbook benefits occurred between the spring of 2007 and fall of 2010 and the textbook "scandal" involved 238 athletes and totaled $27,869.47, with the average cost amounting to less than $60 per athlete.

While this whole textbook "scandal" might seem kinda lame in terms of an NCAA violation, it's the same type of thing that, in 2009, forced Alabama to vacate wins. Even though Alabama admitted to providing nearly $40,000 in impermissible textbook benefits and self-imposed sanctions, the NCAA hit it hard because the school was a repeat offender.

JHL6719
12-22-2011, 01:32 AM
not exact same


It's the exact same violation, and occurred over the exact same period of time in both instances (3 years). There was only a couple of Alabama football players even involved. Most of the 'violaters' were in track and field, etc.

Having to vacate 21 wins over a 3 year period along with extended probation is NOT the same level of punishment that Nebraska got, but that's the price you pay when your program is in the REPEAT VIOLATER status.

Which is the point I was trying to get across to OSU fans. They're getting off extremely light considering their repeat violater status, not to mention the degree of violations that took place to begin with.

The NCAA had no reason to drop the hammer that hard on Bama for the textbooks, but there's no reason behind half the **** the NCAA does.

It's just like being at the mercy of a judge.... your punishment is probably going to come down to what mood your particular judge happens to be in on that particular day... and he's probably going to be a little harder on you if you were just in his courtroom looking at you a few months ago.

One thing most all fans of any program can agree on is that it sucks when it's your program getting the hammer dropped on them.

In OSU's case, I don't think the hammer was dropped anywhere close to what it could have been. OSU knows it... which is probably why they won't appeal.

JoeJoeBrown
12-22-2011, 09:07 AM
It doesn't have anything to do with Bama vs. OSU... unless you just want to talk about Woody Hayes being Bear Bryant's b*tch :^O! But I won't put you through that right now.

OSU has a great tradition and I have respect for their program. But ****.... you whiny a** yankmee *******'s are worse than a bunch of teenage girls with your constant rants about the SEC.

You're definitely not the most coherent and intelligent OSU fan I've ever encountered... I'd have to give that honor to the guy I ran into last night wearing the Ohio St. sweatshirt in Wal-Mart that was smart enough to keep his mouth shut.. although you may be 2nd or 3rd on the list....

Now run along before I have to convert from ringing your chubby little cheeks, and give you a good ol' fashioned country boy a** whoopin'....

You know you're my boy Joe-Joe... otherwise I wouldn't **** with you.

Merry Christmas!

Thanks for making me laugh a lot this morning ! Merry Christmas! Thanks for joking around with me. Too many people get serious online.

Btw Ohioans tend to communicate via whining. Its a state full of pessimists. It's quite a bit different than how people are raised in the south. I know Texas is different than the deep south but I definitely prefer how people express themselves down here better than up north.

As you can see its reflected in our us vs the world type of attitude.

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 09:15 AM
Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

You act as though USC didn't know, also one must look at the severity of the infractions

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

LOL @ this, there was no conspiring, they self imposed the suspensions for the next season and the NCAA saw it fit quit being melodramatic.

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

Your kidding yourself if you don't think USC knew.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

Now your statements are just getting more and more false. Yes, at one point, OSU knew about the players. Now please explain how they lied there way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

USC got LOIC because the entire AD knew about what was going on for years and did nothing to stop it, on top of it they were still under probation from a previous incident. You clearly know nothing of what you speak so please stop trying

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

This is because a lot of the "knowingly" playing ineligible was done by Tressel.

I responded to the comments that didn't make me hit the floor laughing with disbelief

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 09:17 AM
I can guarantee you Alabama wouldn't be afforded two seperate staffs...

The NCAA would bury Alabama, just like they did when they (and the FBI) didn't have a shred of evidence and no money trail leading to Albert Means. They don't need it. They had the exact same lack of evidence in the Means case as they did the Cam Newton case. Bama gets hammered. Auburn gets off.

The NCAA tried to bury Bama for Antonio Langham signing his name on a napkin in a restraunt.

I know you Big-10-11-12 fans are sick and tired of watching your sissy football teams get their guts stomped out by the SEC, but you don't have any idea what it's like to really be in the crosshairs of the corrupt NCAA, who can do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.

You sound like the worst kind of homer

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 09:19 AM
Ouch. My wrist.


You gotta be kidding.

They KNOWINGLY play ineligible players, try to cover it up, lie about it to NCAA officials, and they lose 9 scholarships?

You act as though USC didn't know, also one must look at the severity of the infractions

Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

LOL @ this, there was no conspiring, they self imposed the suspensions for the next season and the NCAA saw it fit quit being melodramatic.

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

Your kidding yourself if you don't think USC knew.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

Now your statements are just getting more and more false. Yes, at one point, OSU knew about the players. Now please explain how they lied there way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

USC got LOIC because the entire AD knew about what was going on for years and did nothing to stop it, on top of it they were still under probation from a previous incident. You clearly know nothing of what you speak so please stop trying

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

This is because a lot of the "knowingly" playing ineligible was done by Tressel.

I won't be page trapped

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 09:23 AM
Crying? It is a fact that USC and Ohio State are both dirty programs. Both got caught cheating, both are corrupt, and I'm glad both were sanctioned. I wouldn't be proud if my alma mater were involved in either scandal, but as an outside observer, it is not hard for me to see the inconsistency by the NCAA.

You and I have had this debate before, and I really don't want to get into it yes we deserved to be punished.

However, USC was tenfold worse than OSU and because we have had this debate and read through a 40 page NCAA report against USC I know that you know the difference.

keylime_5
12-22-2011, 09:25 AM
I know damn well you won't touch the rest of my post because it makes too much sense.

haha, you can tell yourself that's the reason, truth is it was just too long to repost. you want it you got it.



Then they conspire with the Sugar Bowl to let the players play and keep that game intact?

conspire? our players got suspended and then the NCAA let those players play in that bowl game just b/c they would get more money out of it. the decision to not suspend the players for the Sugar Bowl was on the NCAA, not Ohio State. we ended up forfeiting that game and giving the money back as our own decision too even though we played eligible players.

There is no comparison to what they KNOW about SC. The NCAA seems to have punished the Trojans based on the idea they "Should have known" if they did not in fact know. Fair enough.

But apply that same standard to OSU, who YOU KNOW was aware, and then tried to hide and lie their way out of it.

If this isn't 'Lack of Institutional Control', nothing is.

case in point numero uno. the fact that you think what OSU did doesn't even compare to what USC did proves you have no idea what exactly USC was charged with doing and how many rules and how much money was involved in their case compared to OSU's. You also have no idea what LOIC really is. Uninformed troll is uninformed.

The sanctions are a joke. The 5 year penalty on Tressel has no affect now on Ohio State. In fact, they were so sure the sanctions would be minimal they were able to replace Tressel with the most coveted hire of the year.

The One Year Bowl is an attention magnet, but that just helps divert attention from the fcat they only lost NINE scholarships, and over 3 years. There is just no teeth in this penalty.


The people responsible for "Monitoring and Controlling" the program were found guilty of conspiring to break rules. They offered one up as sacrifice, and TWO still retain their jobs.


All OSU is losing here is one postseason, and in the first Meyer year that may not turn out to be too big of an issue - and then they are cleared to compete for Titles from that point on.

i addressed most of this in my last post. Tressel got punished b/c he did greatest wrong by covering up what he knew. the players got their punishment. the team losing tressel was quite a punishment as it is. the only reason we got a bowl ban is because of the booster thing that came out this summer in the wake of Tattgate.

And the NCAA also graciously afforded them the ability to have the two separate staffs to help them negotiate such tragic, harsh times..

another case where the person who complains about us having "two staffs" has no idea. At Florida, Urban Meyer had the exact same waiver. This waiver happens all the time. UCLA currently has this waiver. Michigan had it when they hired Rodriguez, yet Michigan's AD is whining about it hypocritically. And the "two staffs" we have are the guys coaching the bowl plus Urban Meyer and Tom Herman. 2 guys. Only 10 coaches are allowed to recruit at once.

The NCAA's 'definition' has nothing to do with the penalties they hand out when your program is in the REPEAT VIOLATER status.

this part doesn't make sense. the definition of LOIC has everything to do with determining if a school has LOIC. Repeat violations are factored in. This was not a LOIC, it was Failure to Monitor. Before the booster thing came out this summer it wasn't even going to be a Failure To Monitor charge.

Players receiving impermissable benefits happens all the time and every year. Because it happened at Ohio State to high profile players, people act like it's a huge violation. AJ Green did the same thing 2 years ago and was suspended 4 games. Not a big fuss made about that. Pryor and some of his buddies do it and it's outrageous. Tressel covering it up is a big deal and is why he was fired and we were gonna get some slap on the wrist punishment, but the tatt five wasn't as big of a deal as it sounds.



You're complaining about OSU fans whining. We're biased, that's bad. It's just as bad hearing trolls like you who are just as biased but against rather for OSU whining and babying, especially when you don't know the facts.

Smooth Criminal
12-22-2011, 01:15 PM
What alternative is there? Make guys pay back their scholarships? Having to deal with that is part of being a team. I'm sure guys on the team knew what they were doing and decided to keep their mouths shut.

I said it in my post, its the only real thing they can do so thats whats going to happen. I just think it sucks that the people getting punished, whether it be OSU, USC, or anywhere else, are not the ones that received benefits.

Just a ******** system, but theres really nothing they could do about it.

BuckeyeDan17
12-22-2011, 01:18 PM
I feel like if we were to self-impose a bowl ban, for say, one year, the NCAA still would have tacked on to it. I've nothing to base that on, it's just an opinion. No way they were letting us walk away with nothing even though we vacated and all that ********. It's stupid Gene Smith came out and said he was "surprised and shocked" by the rulings.

I found nothing surprising about it, except for that they didn't **** us in the ass with more. I do like that he will not appeal because we need to move on. He's right, don't appeal, suck it up, endure,.and move on.

mellojello
12-22-2011, 02:26 PM
You and I have had this debate before, and I really don't want to get into it yes we deserved to be punished.

However, USC was tenfold worse than OSU and because we have had this debate and read through a 40 page NCAA report against USC I know that you know the difference.

Yes, we have been through this debate, but I don't agree that USC's violations were 10x's worse. The bottom line is that they never had anything concrete on SC's football program and overall, I don't think the NCAA report on SC was worth the paper it was written on.

I think the Bama fans explanation is more reasonable. When you are in the crosshairs of the NCAA, you are screwed and that pretty much sums up what happened to SC.

I also think it reflects poorly on Ohio State fans on this forum who fail to own up to the actions of it's university. Jim Tressell is a liar and a cheat and there is no grey area there. It is sad that some fans of your university gain comfort that your violations are less reprehensible that SC's. They are both reprehensible. When fans of your universtiy make claims that the rest of the nation is simply jelous of your supposed past success, when in reality most view Ohio St. as underachieving and unable to win on the biggest stage against like competition (sort of like an Oklahoma), it only further turns the rest of us off to any opinions you may have, whether they are valid or not, especially when it is so apparent to most how inconsistent the NCAA is when sanctioning violators.

If all you are considering is football though, in some ways, the sanctions are probably a net positive, perhaps the best thing to happen to Ohio St. To me, a Meyer led team with 9 less scholarship players is more of a threat than a Tressell led team with all scholarships. Everyone knows that Ohio St. attracts the blue chip recruits. Combine that with what Meyer does with his playmakers, and the future looks bright for your football program.

keylime_5
12-22-2011, 02:41 PM
trust me, if Ohio State wasn't a great team every year they wouldn't be hated like they are. The same reason so many people hate the Cowboys, Lakers, etc. It all stems from winning. No one feels sorry for us b/c we lost 2 national titles after winning one and winning the big ten for 6 years in a row.

USC got hammered. The fact that they were a big program and got in trouble makes everyone compare their case to Ohio State's. Both committed major violations and both are big schools, so they both should have equal punishment? It doesn't work like that. They are two completely different cases that both resulted in major penalties. USC's were worse because they had more violations and violations that were more serious on their plate than what Ohio State had. It's not that hard to fathom if you read exactly what both schools were found guilty of and what each one was hit with. If the USC thing never happened we wouldn't be talking about Ohio State's punishment being too harsh or too lenient nearly as much trust me. Watch Miami and UNC get something and that be compared to Ohio State's and USC's.

soybean
12-22-2011, 02:47 PM
Watch Miami and UNC get something and that be compared to Ohio State's and USC's.

All indications point to Miami possibly getting the death penalty.

keylime_5
12-22-2011, 02:51 PM
i honestly don't think they'll give out the death penalty to miami, especially considering their problems were mostly linked to one guy. Albeit they are a repeat offender, but whatever they do end up getting will make them [even more] irrelevant for a while.

mellojello
12-22-2011, 03:07 PM
trust me, if Ohio State wasn't a great team every year they wouldn't be hated like they are. The same reason so many people hate the Cowboys, Lakers, etc. It all stems from winning. No one feels sorry for us b/c we lost 2 national titles after winning one and winning the big ten for 6 years in a row.Maybe Ohio St. is hated within the Big10 or something, but I don't think they are as hated nationally as you seem to believe. The Lakers win championships, lots of them, which is why they are hated, so this is not a good analogy. Ohio St. seemingly never lives up the hype when on a big stage.

Tressell had built up this serious image, this idea that Ohio St is "doing it the right way," and personality wise, an anti-Pete Carroll. It turns out that Tressell is a complete phony. Everybody hates a hipocrite and while I can understand where you may be hearing a lot of criticism right now, I think you're mistaking where the "hated" is coming from.

keylime_5
12-22-2011, 03:23 PM
Tressel isn't a complete phony. He made a mistake and that did tarnish his reputation as the clean cut high character guy, but it doesn't take away from everything else about him.

OSU is very hated. You might not notice it as a casual observer, but they get the same hate from other fanbases that the Yankees, Lakers, Cowboys, etc. get in other sports. That's what happens when you are a perennial and historic powerhouse with one of the largest fanbases in sports. In the Big Ten it's worse, but I live in South Carolina and they loathe Ohio State. You can visit basically any opposing team message board and find the same kind of thing. or you can google "most hated college teams" and ohio state is probably in the top 5 on every single list.

mellojello
12-22-2011, 04:29 PM
Tressel isn't a complete phony. He made a mistake and that did tarnish his reputation as the clean cut high character guy, but it doesn't take away from everything else about him.

You're right, that's probably too harsh.

draftguru151
12-22-2011, 05:19 PM
All indications point to Miami possibly getting the death penalty.

I haven't seen anything remotely close to indicating Miami is getting the death penalty.

soybean
12-22-2011, 05:48 PM
I haven't seen anything remotely close to indicating Miami is getting the death penalty.

Just the rumblings I hear from listening to ESPN radio all day.

JoeJoeBrown
12-22-2011, 06:14 PM
I responded to the comments that didn't make me hit the floor laughing with disbelief

Just the rumblings I hear from listening to ESPN radio all day.

ESPN is garbage. They left journalism decades ago. Seriously ESPN is the national enquirer for men.

draftguru151
12-22-2011, 06:27 PM
I honestly think UM will get something closer to OSU than USC. Depends what they find with Clint Hurtt and Joe Pannunzio. Unless the top guys want to freak out and do whatever they want, which could happen I guess.

Sloopy
12-22-2011, 08:53 PM
Yes, we have been through this debate, but I don't agree that USC's violations were 10x's worse. The bottom line is that they never had anything concrete on SC's football program and overall, I don't think the NCAA report on SC was worth the paper it was written on.

I think the Bama fans explanation is more reasonable. When you are in the crosshairs of the NCAA, you are screwed and that pretty much sums up what happened to SC.

I also think it reflects poorly on Ohio State fans on this forum who fail to own up to the actions of it's university. Jim Tressell is a liar and a cheat and there is no grey area there. It is sad that some fans of your university gain comfort that your violations are less reprehensible that SC's. They are both reprehensible. When fans of your universtiy make claims that the rest of the nation is simply jelous of your supposed past success, when in reality most view Ohio St. as underachieving and unable to win on the biggest stage against like competition (sort of like an Oklahoma), it only further turns the rest of us off to any opinions you may have, whether they are valid or not, especially when it is so apparent to most how inconsistent the NCAA is when sanctioning violators.

If all you are considering is football though, in some ways, the sanctions are probably a net positive, perhaps the best thing to happen to Ohio St. To me, a Meyer led team with 9 less scholarship players is more of a threat than a Tressell led team with all scholarships. Everyone knows that Ohio St. attracts the blue chip recruits. Combine that with what Meyer does with his playmakers, and the future looks bright for your football program.

I agree that Tressel was a liar and a cheat. I think that we deserve sanctions. My argument is against those who would say that this is to lenient or that this is in anyway comparable to USC.

I take no solace in the fact that they were less and I am honestly ashamed of what occurred... this still does not change the fact that USC's sanctions were worse. No they don't have as much evidence on USC, because USC didn't open their books.

People crying fowl of inconsistency by the NCAA are absolutely correct. There is no precedent for this level of sanctioning for this type of infraction, the idea that the NCAA went lightly on us is ridiculous. Does it hurt us? No, and I will agree that it helps us in the long run as we got rid of Tressel to make way for Meyer.

When I originally heard this news I was upset and to a certain extent I still do believe that the NCAA has little ground to stand on with these sanctions. However, upon further reflection I am at peace with their decision. Still, I will argue with anyone that says that this is comparable to USC because it is in no way similar, and those are just the facts

keylime_5
12-23-2011, 12:02 PM
http://www.thebuckeyebattlecry.com/2011/12/compare-and-contrast-update-ncaa-allegations/

this is a great article laying out all of the schools breaking the rules in recent history. there is a lot of uninformed people out there making ridiculous opinions, this a good antidote for that stupidity.

mellojello
12-23-2011, 03:57 PM
No they don't have as much evidence on USC, because USC didn't open their books.

The NCAA report on SC actually stated that "The committee determined that the cooperation exhibited by the institution met its obligation...(but the) institutions cooperation did not warrant relief in penalties imposed by the committee in this case." pg. 57

The OJ Mayo conclusions are a serious violation. There is no disputing that the female tennis player made $7,000 worth of unauthorized phone calls. The case against the football program was somewhat iffy and while there was plenty of smoke, the football program got completely f**ked.

I'm not going to sit here and argue that SC had a halo over it's head. There were some serious problems there that needed to get cleaned up. All I am saying is that SC football getting the stiffest penalties in 30+ years seemed a little over the top. Where I do agree with the penalties is that unless the penalties were as harsh as they were, I honestly don't think the administration would have gotten the point, and that's a factor that I presume the NCAA considered. Whether they are applying that same standard to all member institutions is what I question.

As far as the rest of your post, there's not much to say. Your program is under attack, so I can understand if you swing to the other extreme. It must be difficult to turn your back on someone that has done so much for your university, especially during times like these where the "haters" will take their unfair shots.

At Cal, we hated Bozeman for what he did because a) we consider ourselves an academic institution first, and 2) he was only with us for 3 years. If something like this would happen with Jeff Tedford, it would be a difficult pill to swallow, so I can empathize.

Rabscuttle
12-23-2011, 07:39 PM
Look on the bright side Buckeye fans. It will be easier to get a tee time or a tattoo in town if the program cleans itself up.

Sloopy
12-23-2011, 08:31 PM
The NCAA report on SC actually stated that "The committee determined that the cooperation exhibited by the institution met its obligation...(but the) institutions cooperation did not warrant relief in penalties imposed by the committee in this case." pg. 57

The OJ Mayo conclusions are a serious violation. There is no disputing that the female tennis player made $7,000 worth of unauthorized phone calls. The case against the football program was somewhat iffy and while there was plenty of smoke, the football program got completely f**ked.

I'm not going to sit here and argue that SC had a halo over it's head. There were some serious problems there that needed to get cleaned up. All I am saying is that SC football getting the stiffest penalties in 30+ years seemed a little over the top. Where I do agree with the penalties is that unless the penalties were as harsh as they were, I honestly don't think the administration would have gotten the point, and that's a factor that I presume the NCAA considered. Whether they are applying that same standard to all member institutions is what I question.

As far as the rest of your post, there's not much to say. Your program is under attack, so I can understand if you swing to the other extreme. It must be difficult to turn your back on someone that has done so much for your university, especially during times like these where the "haters" will take their unfair shots.

At Cal, we hated Bozeman for what he did because a) we consider ourselves an academic institution first, and 2) he was only with us for 3 years. If something like this would happen with Jeff Tedford, it would be a difficult pill to swallow, so I can empathize.

I liked Tressel but I to be completely honest, he only perpetuated the "choking in big games" stereotype. We are better off without him.

Every day that goes by after my initial reaction, I feel less and less upset. To be honest the only thing one can do is look forward to the Meyer era.

keylime_5
12-23-2011, 08:34 PM
I liked Tressel but I to be completely honest, he only perpetuated the "choking in big games" stereotype. We are better off without him.

Every day that goes by after my initial reaction, I feel less and less upset. To be honest the only thing one can do is look forward to the Meyer era.

big games like 6 bowl games he won or 9/10 michigan games he won? he won 7 Big Ten Titles including 6 in a row. JT's conservative style wasn't the most exciting or most popular for fans, but if Meyer can duplictate Tressel's success we'll be very lucky. Cannot argue with his results at all. The only way we could possibly be better off without Tressel is if we replaced him with a coach like Urban Meyer, and we did. Meyer is gonna win and win big here, we were very lucky to be able to follow up Tressel with someone like that.

Sloopy
12-23-2011, 08:52 PM
big games like 6 bowl games he won or 9/10 michigan games he won? he won 7 Big Ten Titles including 6 in a row. JT's conservative style wasn't the most exciting or most popular for fans, but if Meyer can duplictate Tressel's success we'll be very lucky. Cannot argue with his results at all. The only way we could possibly be better off without Tressel is if we replaced him with a coach like Urban Meyer, and we did. Meyer is gonna win and win big here, we were very lucky to be able to follow up Tressel with someone like that.

I'm not trying to knock JT, I love the guy but I think we had gone as far as we could have with him. He brought our program out of a bit of a rough time but let's face it... the 9/10 had a lot to do with some lean years at that other school, not all the credit can be given to JT being a dominant coach.

Meyer is an improvement and I am at peace with the current situation

mellojello
12-23-2011, 09:32 PM
They are two completely different cases that both resulted in major penalties. USC's were worse because they had more violations and violations that were more serious on their plate than what Ohio State had.

Most people are probably comparing the crimes committed by both football programs, which is where some of the confusion stems. Besides the actual violations surrounding Bush and Mayo, one of the biggest problems that the NCAA had issue with was that SC effectively had no compliance department to point to when the allegations took place. SC's compliance department supposedly consisted of one person. Does anyone know how many employees most major sports universities dedicate to athetic department compliance?

mellojello
12-23-2011, 10:10 PM
Meyer is gonna win and win big here, we were very lucky to be able to follow up Tressel with someone like that.

I just like watching good football and I loved those Meyer-led Florida teams. Watching Meyer basically convert Percy to a RB, I always thought to myself, why the f**k didn't Jeff Tedford convert Desean Jackson to a hybrid role like that? Those sort of talents don't grow on trees, but Meyer seems to extract so much more from his playmakers. Those were crazy talented teams in Florida, but Meyer had a part in Florida's success.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm actually looking forward to watching Ohio St. football.

Sloopy
12-23-2011, 10:26 PM
Most people are probably comparing the crimes committed by both football programs, which is where some of the confusion stems. Besides the actual violations surrounding Bush and Mayo, one of the biggest problems that the NCAA had issue with was that SC effectively had no compliance department to point to when the allegations took place. SC's compliance department supposedly consisted of one person. Does anyone know how many employees most major sports universities dedicate to athetic department compliance?

I could be completely off base but I think I remember reading something about 10 being the minimum... take it for what its worth :P

Shane P. Hallam
12-26-2011, 09:49 AM
Talked to some people from Ohio State, so take this from a grain of salt, but some buzz about a conspiracy theory as to why Gene Smith didn't do a self imposed bowl ban is that he gets approx. 1 million dollar bonus for the football team playing in a bowl game. Due to some other incidents in non-revenue sports, he was almost fired before this whole fiasco with Tressel, but stayed on. He is figuring he will be fired after this season anyway, so he didn't self-impose a bowl ban to get his bonus and let the next guy miss the bonus.

DeepThreat
12-26-2011, 10:22 AM
Talked to some people from Ohio State, so take this from a grain of salt, but some buzz about a conspiracy theory as to why Gene Smith didn't do a self imposed bowl ban is that he gets approx. 1 million dollar bonus for the football team playing in a bowl game. Due to some other incidents in non-revenue sports, he was almost fired before this whole fiasco with Tressel, but stayed on. He is figuring he will be fired after this season anyway, so he didn't self-impose a bowl ban to get his bonus and let the next guy miss the bonus.

I wish I could say I would be surprised by that. But honestly, it makes complete sense.

Sloopy
12-26-2011, 05:38 PM
Talked to some people from Ohio State, so take this from a grain of salt, but some buzz about a conspiracy theory as to why Gene Smith didn't do a self imposed bowl ban is that he gets approx. 1 million dollar bonus for the football team playing in a bowl game. Due to some other incidents in non-revenue sports, he was almost fired before this whole fiasco with Tressel, but stayed on. He is figuring he will be fired after this season anyway, so he didn't self-impose a bowl ban to get his bonus and let the next guy miss the bonus.

At least this would be a logical explanation for it. Not that I'm happy about... the bastard

mellojello
12-27-2011, 03:31 PM
I could be completely off base but I think I remember reading something about 10 being the minimum... take it for what its worth :PIf I were an Ohio St. fan, I would point to the compliance dept. of Ohio St. vs. SC, which on an institutional level, Ohio St. probably did. That is probably why Ohio St. was able to isolate the violation to one coach. SC could not argue that there was no evidence of LOIC if it's true that they only had 1 employee dedicated to compliance. This isn't a small issue that should be lost in discussions by talking heads.