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Smash28Dash34
12-22-2011, 09:38 PM
I havent seen any of these in here yet so I decided to make one. This is going to be a very critical draft for this staff seeing as we look to be a team on the upswing. We have plenty of needs on both sides of the ball, but defense seems to be in need of an upgrade. I have the top needs for the Panthers in this order.

DE/DT
CB
WR
OT
FS

As of now we are in the 8th spot with two games left. At that point it seems like a lot of top guys like Kalil, Claiborne, Blackmon, etc will be gone. Reaching for a guy like Kirkpatrick, Martin, any of the DTs dosen't seem like the right decision. A guy that seems to be an interesting option is Quinton Coples. He fits multiple needs on defense and probably wouldn't be that much of a reach. Another scenario I would like is a double dip in the South Carolina pool if we finish out of the top 10. Draft Alshon Jeffery in the first and Gilmore in the second. Both fill pressing needs at this point. What are everyone's thoughts?

ShutDwn
12-23-2011, 11:50 AM
I will be pissed if we take Alshon.

We are pretty much playing ourselves into the place in the draft where I would want to trade back. Kirkpatrick is decent but probably not a top ten pick. Seeing as we already traded our third rounder I would like to get an additional pick and move back.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there is a lot of interesting talent in the middle of the first. By that I mean guys at the LB/DT/CB position.

I think the safest and possibly the best for the long term for us to make is to look at one of the tackles and protect Cam. Byron Bell is possibly the worst RT in the league right now and Gross is getting old. Wharton is also a player on our line who is not holding up well at all, he is actually doing really badly as well.

Smash28Dash34
12-24-2011, 06:47 AM
idk man unless it's Kalil I don't want an OT. Martin and Reiff are projects to me and I would rather take a defensive player or a WR to help Cam.

ShutDwn
12-24-2011, 11:14 AM
idk man unless it's Kalil I don't want an OT. Martin and Reiff are projects to me and I would rather take a defensive player or a WR to help Cam.

It depends on how the players grade out. I actually think a solid tackle who could eventually become the LT would be more beneficial to Cam then a receiver. As of now, our offensive line is poo and it's preventing our offense from being as explosive as it was at the beginning of the year. Newton isn't even trying to go deep anymore because he doesn't have enough time.

If you're trying to start a team that can be competitive year in and year out I think you need mainstays at QB, C, LT, DT/DE and MLB.

Of course there are other combinations that work, but having those sealed in place makes sticking other players around them a lot easier.

If we trade back, I would think about Janoris Jenkins being a possibility although his issues might be too much risk for a young team.

JPF
12-27-2011, 10:07 PM
We do need a future #1 receiver but we'll be fine through next year with Gettis coming back to take LaFell's role while LaFell likely steps into Naanee's role (Naanee is a UFA and hard to imagine him being back given our cap situation). Add in Pilares, Edwards, and possibly Adams or Ajirotutu for depth along with Steve Smith as the current #1 and our receiving core is fine.

I'm a UNC fan and I'm not big on Coples. He'll be drafted more on athleticism than on actual production. Half of his sack total this season came in two games (Duke & James Madison). There were games where he just totally disappeared, and it wasn't because he was constantly double or triple teamed. He was just being handled one on one by non-NFL propsect linemen.

I'd rather take a Kirkpatrick or an O-linemen in that spot. I like Jeffrey but with our biggest holes being on defense and along the O-line, that's a luxury pick.

Smash28Dash34
02-26-2012, 07:13 PM
Looks like most people are mocking Brockers to us at #9. Depending on how he does tomorrow though could his stock rise even more to the point where another team would try to jump us to get him?

ShutDwn
02-27-2012, 11:06 AM
Looks like most people are mocking Brockers to us at #9. Depending on how he does tomorrow though could his stock rise even more to the point where another team would try to jump us to get him?

Brockers had 19 reps on bench and an average 40.

Dontari Poe had 44 reps on bench, ran a 4.87 40 at 350 pounds.

I need to know more about both of them, but Poe is owning the metrics right now. Those numbers are all better than Ngata and Raji's at a heavier weight even.

Smash28Dash34
02-27-2012, 05:53 PM
Brockers had 19 reps on bench and an average 40.

Dontari Poe had 44 reps on bench, ran a 4.87 40 at 350 pounds.

I need to know more about both of them, but Poe is owning the metrics right now. Those numbers are all better than Ngata and Raji's at a heavier weight even.

Just got done watching Poe's 40 and high jump holy ****. I know players stock's can get overblown after a strong combine performance, but he looks like the real deal.

ShutDwn
03-06-2012, 11:58 AM
Scott Wright has Fletcher Cox to the Panthers as the first DT off the board. I really have no idea who the best DT is at this point. It's a merry-go-round. I really like this second round pick for the Panthers: Stephon Gilmore. He's got size, speed, he hits, did well in the combine drills and has nice hands.

What about drafting linebackers? Thomas Davis has obvious issues, Beason is also coming back and Conner might leave. What about Ronnell Lewis or Lavonte David? Rivera can't fight the urge to draft a LB like himself back to back years can he?

A team offering a third rounder or a second would also interest me in moving back in the first.

gpngc
03-06-2012, 12:04 PM
What are Davis' issues?

Shutdown, Fletcher Cox is definitely the best DT. My concern with that mock projection is that the Carolina GM has come out and said he's not specifically looking for DTs in the first round. He may be just BSing, but it's worth noting.

I've thought about mocking Michael Floyd to the Panthers at 9....

Sloopy
03-07-2012, 08:04 AM
I encourage you all to check out my latest 4 round mock draft :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

ShutDwn
03-07-2012, 02:11 PM
What are Davis' issues?

Shutdown, Fletcher Cox is definitely the best DT. My concern with that mock projection is that the Carolina GM has come out and said he's not specifically looking for DTs in the first round. He may be just BSing, but it's worth noting.

I've thought about mocking Michael Floyd to the Panthers at 9....

Davis has had three straight knee surgeries, nobody has come back from that.

Scott Wright mentions that Cox is really popular amongst the coaches and GMs.

I know Hurney isn't looking specifically at DT, if Blackmon or Claiborne fell I don't think anyone would pass. Floyd had a really nice combine too.


I encourage you all to check out my latest 4 round mock draft :)

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51453

Poe looks standard, Zach Brown is a bit different but bringing in linebackers is definitely a need. Is Josh Robinson from UCF in your mock? If he were available I think we would take him over Brown, our secondary is the pits.

ShutDwn
03-08-2012, 08:14 AM
Jordan Senn is going to test free agent waters. Not that big a hit, but maybe we are all overlooking the linebacker position some? Beason and Davis are both coming off injury, Connor might leave as well.

I'd really love having two second rounders to pick up a talented corner and linebacker. Or maybe pick up a veteran in free agency.

xposipx
03-10-2012, 04:13 PM
Here's my dream draft as of 3/10 pre FA

1. Luke Kuechly (moving Beason to OLB and assuming Connor/Senn are gone amd Claiborne is off the board)
2. Kelechi Osemele (Otah is too unreliable and this makes OL a big strength)
3. Jamell Fleming (Obvious need if not addressed at this point)
4. Brandon Taylor
5. Drew Butler (Baker needs to go)
6. Russell Wilson

ShutDwn
03-12-2012, 10:26 PM
Here's my dream draft as of 3/10 pre FA

1. Luke Kuechly (moving Beason to OLB and assuming Connor/Senn are gone amd Claiborne is off the board)
2. Kelechi Osemele (Otah is too unreliable and this makes OL a big strength)
3. Jamell Fleming (Obvious need if not addressed at this point)
4. Brandon Taylor
5. Drew Butler (Baker needs to go)
6. Russell Wilson


I'd like the Kuechly pick if we were to trade back a few spots. I don't think I would take him in the top ten. Beason just doesn't seem to be as affective when moved outside.

Are these picks by round or just order? We don't have a third round pick currently but Flemming is a strong choice. I like the 2nd-3rd round talent at corner.

I like the last two picks, especially Drew Butler and I'm glad you brought that up. Baker sucks, I also wouldn't mind if we drafted a new field goal kicker to replace Mare. Baker and Mare have $9M and $12M contracts respectively. It would be nice to get some rookies who are better for cheaper.

xposipx
03-13-2012, 05:19 PM
I'd like the Kuechly pick if we were to trade back a few spots. I don't think I would take him in the top ten. Beason just doesn't seem to be as affective when moved outside.

Are these picks by round or just order? We don't have a third round pick currently but Flemming is a strong choice. I like the 2nd-3rd round talent at corner.

I like the last two picks, especially Drew Butler and I'm glad you brought that up. Baker sucks, I also wouldn't mind if we drafted a new field goal kicker to replace Mare. Baker and Mare have $9M and $12M contracts respectively. It would be nice to get some rookies who are better for cheaper.

I was just saying the picks in order. Now that the Eagles are targeting Dan Connor I think trading down a little would be fine. Everyone mocking had Kuechly to PHI. I agree with the Mare thing as well...honestly I think Medlock isn't that bad of a kicker and should be able to take his job. Also, Kasay, Nick Folk and Feely are cheaper free agents at this point as well.

xposipx
03-13-2012, 09:01 PM
All of a sudden our OG position is a weakness and we have no depth at OT. I think if we get ANY offer to trade down in the 1st we should jump at it. 4-5 spots should land us a 3rd rounder. We should still draft the BPA and be set.

New dream mock is:

1. Kuechly/DeCastro/Cox/Poe in that order.
2. Osemele/Zeitler or BPA DT
3. (3rd rd through trade) Cyrus Gray or Jonathan Massaquoi or Derek Wolfe
4.Jamell Fleming
5.Brandon Taylor
6. Drew Butler
7. OL depth (will blackwell?)

ShutDwn
03-13-2012, 10:24 PM
All of a sudden our OG position is a weakness and we have no depth at OT. I think if we get ANY offer to trade down in the 1st we should jump at it. 4-5 spots should land us a 3rd rounder. We should still draft the BPA and be set.

New dream mock is:

1. Kuechly/DeCastro/Cox/Poe in that order.
2. Osemele/Zeitler or BPA DT
3. (3rd rd through trade) Cyrus Gray or Jonathan Massaquoi or Derek Wolfe
4.Jamell Fleming
5.Brandon Taylor
6. Drew Butler
7. OL depth (will blackwell?)

Yeah, I'd agree that an offensive lineman now becomes a stronger possibility without us signing anybody. Wharton was nice to have but he was on the decline.

CDCB14
03-14-2012, 10:37 PM
Hey guys, Cowboys fan here. We just picked up Mackenzy Bernedeau and apparently gave him starters quality money. Do you guys have any insight on him? Can he play?

Smash28Dash34
03-15-2012, 12:02 AM
Hey guys, Cowboys fan here. We just picked up Mackenzy Bernedeau and apparently gave him starters quality money. Do you guys have any insight on him? Can he play?

He is a decent backup, but no starter. He is very strong and has above average run blocking skills, but is really weak in pass blocking and can get pushed around very easily at times. Basically if your bringing him in to be a backup, it's a good signing. As a starter though? Good luck with that.

gpngc
03-15-2012, 12:41 AM
Do you all really think it's possible they draft Kuechly and move Beason to OLB?

ShutDwn
03-15-2012, 01:03 AM
Do you all really think it's possible they draft Kuechly and move Beason to OLB?


I don't like Beason outside. I'd rather take a true outside linebacker to fill TD's role.

xposipx
03-15-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't like Beason outside. I'd rather take a true outside linebacker to fill TD's role.

I was wrong, Kuechly would be a WLB if we took him. Beason would stay MLB. I really like the FA players we are looking at in Nakamura and Jason Brown too. Opens up a lot more possibilities leaving LB and CB and OT depth as the biggest holes to fill.

ShutDwn
03-16-2012, 05:12 PM
We signed Nakamura to a three year deal. After reading articles about why he left Baltimore (He loved the team but wants to start) I am convinced Rivera told him that if you come in and help our special teams you will have a legitimate shot to win the starting job form Martin.

He doesn't have any real experience on defense but being in Baltimore behind Reed counts for something. Nakamura isn't huge so he was never the natural compliment to Reed like the bigger in-the-box safeties such as Pollard.

I hope this signing turns out to be something like Chris Harris or Marlon McCree. I think he is a lot younger than both of them so I also hope he is a longer fix than they were. McCree split for a paycheck after his success with us.

With the way the Ravens fans and coaches talk about him I could see him beating Martin. He sounds like an intelligent, athletic, hard working player who hasn't gotten the opportunity. Martin never struck me as someone who cared all that much. Maybe that's what happens when you don't have anyone competing for your job.

I like what Richardson said about Martin in an interview:

Q: Sherrod Martin?

RICHARDSON: What about him?

Q: What do you think about him?

RICHARDSON: I think he plays safety.

Nakamura can win this job by being where he needs to be and making open field tackles.

xposipx
03-18-2012, 12:45 PM
Here are the FA's of next year to consider. May need to groom a starting T, CB, FB. Bringing in Tolbert tells me we will be looking at a FB/RB combo back if we don't sign him. Goodson will be gone IMO as will Sherrod Martin. It also looks like we are interested in mid-round WRs for this year.

Steve Smith (WR)
Jeff Otah (RT)
Darius Butler (CB)
Sherrod Martin (FS)
Jason Williams (OLB)
Mike Goodson (RB)
Ben Hartsock (TE)
Captain Munnerlyn (CB)
Andre Neblett (DT)
Kion Wilson (LB)
Jyles Tucker (LB)
Ogemdi Nwaguo (DT)
Jason Phillips (LB)
Richie Brockel (FB)
Derek Anderson (QB)

ShutDwn
03-19-2012, 01:26 PM
Here are the FA's of next year to consider. May need to groom a starting T, CB, FB. Bringing in Tolbert tells me we will be looking at a FB/RB combo back if we don't sign him. Goodson will be gone IMO as will Sherrod Martin. It also looks like we are interested in mid-round WRs for this year.

Steve Smith (WR)
Jeff Otah (RT)
Darius Butler (CB)
Sherrod Martin (FS)
Jason Williams (OLB)
Mike Goodson (RB)
Ben Hartsock (TE)
Captain Munnerlyn (CB)
Andre Neblett (DT)
Kion Wilson (LB)
Jyles Tucker (LB)
Ogemdi Nwaguo (DT)
Jason Phillips (LB)
Richie Brockel (FB)
Derek Anderson (QB)


None of those players outside of Smith are significant to us. Anderson got a one year deal so I am betting we draft a backup to develop so we can move on from Anderson.

We just signed Tolbert. It's interesting with such a crowded backfield it goes against conventional thinking but I think he was brought in to play more fullback and special teams than people think.

I think a formation with Tolbert at FB and two tightends would normally be seen as a power run formation but I think we have the ability to throw out of this formation with a lot of effectiveness. We are also a huge screen team and Tolbert is another versatile back to use in that. I wouldn't be surprised if Tolbert has more receptions than carries.

I'm not sure what happens with Stewart now. DeAngelo's contract makes him pretty much impossible to trade. The best suitor for Stewart is probably the Broncos with John Fox. It would suck to see him go, but getting more draft picks to sure up the OL and defense would help the team a ton.

Smash28Dash34
03-20-2012, 01:46 PM
I hope we dont trade Stewart. I'm sure there is a way we can get him under contract and keep him on the team. I would rather cut Williams once we pay him all of the guaranteed money than trade Stewart and have to worry about RB in the future. I mean if Stewarts gone and Williams has another slow start like last year it will only hurt this offense going forward.

dj825
03-20-2012, 06:20 PM
i dont think anyone in the Panthers organization has even eluded to the possibility of trading either of them, its just the media that have nothing else to talk about besides Peyton Manning and Tebow so they make up new stories out of nothing. Tolbert was signed as a FB for a relatively small deal, that doesnt scream Stewart or D Will being traded to me.

ShutDwn
03-21-2012, 10:51 AM
i dont think anyone in the Panthers organization has even eluded to the possibility of traded either of them, its just the media that have nothing else to talk about besides Peyton Manning and Tebow so they make up new stories out of nothing. Tolbert was signed a FB for a relatively small deal, that doesnt scream Stewart or D Will being traded to me.

I don't think we will trade him either. I'm pretty sure the team values Stewart as much as the fans do and they are trying to resign him. From what I can tell, Stewart and DeAngelo seem to be fine with each other. The future of this team is bright as well which I think will play a big role in bringing back Stewart.

People are overvaluing Tolbert a lot. His numbers are small upfront and Stewart is still on his rookie deal. Keeping them isn't difficult, financially at least. He may not get tons of carries outside the redzone, but he will also get plenty of catches. A formation with Smith, LaFell/Gettis, Olsen, DeAngelo/Stew and Tolbert doesn't tip the offensive hand.

Tolbert also wanted to play with Cam, and for good reason:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/32616/cam-newton-already-back-at-work

RaiderNation
03-22-2012, 04:56 PM
Has there been any rumors about what the organziation wants to do at 9? Seems like a DT is what everybody is mocking to the Panthers, but could a ILB like Kuechly be a possibility? What DT fits your guys need the best Poe, Cox or Brockers?

xposipx
03-22-2012, 06:01 PM
Has there been any rumors about what the organziation wants to do at 9? Seems like a DT is what everybody is mocking to the Panthers, but could a ILB like Kuechly be a possibility? What DT fits your guys need the best Poe, Cox or Brockers?

The FA moves for the Panthers included a S, OG, and FB/RB. So CB/OL depth is likely for late rounds. It is almost a certainty pick 9 will be DL or LB. The Panthers brought in Kuechly today to talk to, so he is 100% on the radar somewhere. We have also talked to Brockers, but skipped the LSU pro day for NC State's. That leaves Poe/Kuechly as the top two candidates for the pick as Cox is likely a reach at that point (IMO). The Panthers have a history of always going BPA, and to me, that is clearly Kuechly based on most mocks.

If you are doing a full mock, it is also almost certain we will take a mid-round WR, a punter, and OL depth late in the draft.

xposipx
03-22-2012, 06:04 PM
Has there been any rumors about what the organziation wants to do at 9? Seems like a DT is what everybody is mocking to the Panthers, but could a ILB like Kuechly be a possibility? What DT fits your guys need the best Poe, Cox or Brockers?

Also, do not count out Coples or Ingram yet as DE remains a need as well. However, many players being talked to individually have been late round DE prospects.

villagewarrior
03-23-2012, 09:08 AM
The FA moves for the Panthers included a S, OG, and FB/RB. So CB/OL depth is likely for late rounds. It is almost a certainty pick 9 will be DL or LB. The Panthers brought in Kuechly today to talk to, so he is 100% on the radar somewhere. We have also talked to Brockers, but skipped the LSU pro day for NC State's. That leaves Poe/Kuechly as the top two candidates for the pick as Cox is likely a reach at that point (IMO). The Panthers have a history of always going BPA, and to me, that is clearly Kuechly based on most mocks.

If you are doing a full mock, it is also almost certain we will take a mid-round WR, a punter, and OL depth late in the draft.

I have the Panthers taking Kuechly over all the defensive tackles. Would Carolina fans be happy with that or do you want a big ugly up front?

xposipx
03-23-2012, 06:16 PM
I have the Panthers taking Kuechly over all the defensive tackles. Would Carolina fans be happy with that or do you want a big ugly up front?

Most Panther fans would want a DT no matter what, but taking Kuechly would make us better against the run than risking a #9 pick on a DT. I'm a huge Kuechly fan for our pick. He is a difference/play maker and Poe just simply is not.

villagewarrior
03-24-2012, 10:04 AM
Most Panther fans would want a DT no matter what, but taking Kuechly would make us better against the run than risking a #9 pick on a DT. I'm a huge Kuechly fan for our pick. He is a difference/play maker and Poe just simply is not.

I agree with your assessment. Poe will disappoint whoever takes him.

ShutDwn
03-24-2012, 09:21 PM
Dream draft: Claiborne falls and we pick up a pass rusher in the second. I'd be ok with our DTs if that happened. Some decent players always get cut at the end of training camps. Vinny Curry may be possible. This combo would improve the defense the most.

I'd also be happy with trading back a bit and selecting Luke Kuechly. More picks in the early rounds would be great.

xposipx
03-29-2012, 06:56 PM
At this point it's looking like anyone other than Cox/Kuechly/Coples in the first would be a surprise. I like Cox and Kuechly and would be happy either way. Not sold on Coples and I think he will be a bust.

xposipx
03-30-2012, 04:11 PM
OL depth is officially off of the needs list with the Goodson/Campbell trade and Pollak signing.

Updated needs are:

P
DT
DE
CB
WR
LB

Honestly, if we do not take Cox - I don't think I want a DT from this draft at all.

xposipx
04-01-2012, 05:59 AM
New Mock Panthers Draft (not dream)

9 - Fletcher Cox DT
40 - Vinny Curry DE
104 - Jayron Hosley CB
143 - Joe Adams WR
180 - Anger/Butler P
207 - Josh Kaddu LB
216 - Jeff Demps RB

Obviously, I would give this an "A" since I made it :)

kBuc5
04-01-2012, 11:52 AM
New Mock Panthers Draft (not dream)

9 - Fletcher Cox DT
40 - Vinny Curry DE
104 - Jayron Hosley CB
143 - Joe Adams WR
180 - Anger/Butler P
207 - Josh Kaddu LB
216 - Jeff Demps RB

Obviously, I would give this an "A" since I made it :)

Demps is not playing football he is going to be an Olympian instead. Adams in the fourth would be nice for you guys but I think he goes a round earlier.

xposipx
04-01-2012, 12:03 PM
Demps is not playing football he is going to be an Olympian instead. Adams in the fourth would be nice for you guys but I think he goes a round earlier.

I know Adams is one of the guys they have scouted heavily. Wasn't sure where he was projected...he could slip a bit, you never know.

I didn't know that about Demps, I just like project picks in the 7th...could really be any position.

kBuc5
04-01-2012, 12:21 PM
I know Adams is one of the guys they have scouted heavily. Wasn't sure where he was projected...he could slip a bit, you never know.

I didn't know that about Demps, I just like project picks in the 7th...could really be any position.

Adams is projected in the 4th by most and he could be there, just my opinon think he goes in the 3rd. He ran better on his pro day and is a big play guy in the passing game and can return kicks, those specialist type guys seem to get drafted higher then projected.

Rainey is comparable to Demps skill set, but he's a 4th round guy IMO. I think if Demps would have entered the draft he would of been in that same range.

Surprised some of you would like Kuelchy so high in the first round, think he will be a decent player but not top ten worthy. Good luck this offseason, think the Panthers and Bucs are on the rise while the Falcons and Saints are in the twilight of their prime. Should be an interesting year in the NFC South.

ShutDwn
04-04-2012, 09:56 PM
New Mock Panthers Draft (not dream)

9 - Fletcher Cox DT
40 - Vinny Curry DE
104 - Jayron Hosley CB
143 - Joe Adams WR
180 - Anger/Butler P
207 - Josh Kaddu LB
216 - Jeff Demps RB

Obviously, I would give this an "A" since I made it :)

Those top three would be amazing. A boost like that to the pass rush would make me more at ease with the secondary. I'm all for investing in the front four at both positions.

I can't complain about anything that would follow those players.

Smash28Dash34
04-04-2012, 11:18 PM
Is Hosley a guy that would be available in the 4th? I assumed he was a 2nd day prospect. If we got him in the 4th though that would be a steal.

xposipx
04-05-2012, 10:02 AM
Is Hosley a guy that would be available in the 4th? I assumed he was a 2nd day prospect. If we got him in the 4th though that would be a steal.

He's projected 2-3, but there's around 10 CBs in that area, so a drop could be realistic.

Smash28Dash34
04-05-2012, 09:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/33433/carolinas-greg-olsen-restructured-deal

"Very quietly, the Carolina Panthers have restructured the contract of tight end Greg Olsen.

The deal was done several weeks ago, but I havenít seen it reported anywhere. The Panthers have made other moves since Olsenís restructure and they currently are the only team in the NFL with less than $1 million in salary-cap space.

The Panthers dropped Olsenís salary-cap figure from $4.125 million to $2.4 million by converting $2.3 million of his scheduled base salary into a signing bonus that will be pro-rated over the life of his contract. The Panthers also converted a $2.5 million option bonus into a signing bonus that also will be pro-rated over the rest of Olsenís contract."

Pretty awsome Olsen was willing to restructure his deal only one year in.

ShutDwn
04-07-2012, 07:50 PM
The Panthers signed Reggie Smith, a safety who has been in San Francisco. He is similar to Nakamura in that they are both players looking for a starting opportunity. Martin has a lot of competition. I don't think we should pick a safety.


Here is my list right now:
Michael Floyd
Luke Keuchly
Fletcher Cox
Quinton Coples


I won't hate it if we pick Coples. The physical talent is there and Rivera needs to figure out where his head is. If Coples is motivated he could be a huge addition. Hardy is good but I'm not going to complain about having a great rotation. A defensive line playing well has a ripple effect making the rest of the defense better.

xposipx
04-09-2012, 12:41 PM
The Panthers signed Reggie Smith, a safety who has been in San Francisco. He is similar to Nakamura in that they are both players looking for a starting opportunity. Martin has a lot of competition. I don't think we should pick a safety.


Here is my list right now:
Michael Floyd
Luke Keuchly
Fletcher Cox
Quinton Coples


I won't hate it if we pick Coples. The physical talent is there and Rivera needs to figure out where his head is. If Coples is motivated he could be a huge addition. Hardy is good but I'm not going to complain about having a great rotation. A defensive line playing well has a ripple effect making the rest of the defense better.

I'm with you on these other than Floyd. The WRs in this draft go extremely deep and I don't see him as a top 20 talent in this draft. Blackmon is the only top 10 WR in my opinion. There are a slew of extremely talented guys from rounds 2-5 this year. My updated list is as follows:

I know some won't fall, but:
Claiborne
Blackmon
Cox
Kuechly
Coples
Poe

I would also definitely be looking to trade down 4 picks or so if possible to get that 3rd rounder we lost. We should be able to still get Cox/Poe/Kuechly around 13.

JPF
04-15-2012, 11:35 PM
Here is my list right now:
Michael Floyd
Luke Keuchly
Fletcher Cox
Quinton Coples



That's pretty much my list ATM.

I have no interest in Poe whatsoever in the first round.

Asteinebach
04-21-2012, 09:35 AM
I'm picking the Panthers to win the division in a landslide this year. With New Orleans in disarray, Tampa showing little improvement last year, and the Falcons being pretty quiet this off season, I really do think this will be the year of Cam Newton's Cats.

ShutDwn
04-22-2012, 09:06 PM
I'm picking the Panthers to win the division in a landslide this year. With New Orleans in disarray, Tampa showing little improvement last year, and the Falcons being pretty quiet this off season, I really do think this will be the year of Cam Newton's Cats.

I saw your thread which has become a Cutler/Stafford debate for five pages. It could happen but the team is still young and will probably keep things interesting till the end.

The two common arguments:

1. The curse. The madden curse is scary but players have beaten it. The odds of getting injured in the NFL are pretty high as it is.

2. Cam will slump/defenses will figure him out. Figure out what exactly?Defenses are preparing off what they've seen before, but it won't be the same as whats coming. He has an entire offseason, stronger timing with the receivers and he just might figure defenses out instead. I don't think he has stopped working since the season ended.


If the defense improves, the team stays healthy and the ball bounces the Panthers' way they will make the playoffs.

JustJoe2k5
04-25-2012, 05:15 PM
I try to temper my enthusiasm when it comes to expectations. I just hope the star players stay healthy, because if that happens I know the outcome of the season will be positive.

As for the draft, a trade back to acquire a couple of more picks wouldn't be bad in my opinion. If they stay at #9, Cox or Kuechly would be nice picks. I just hope they stay away from Coples.

ShutDwn
04-26-2012, 04:38 PM
I try to temper my enthusiasm when it comes to expectations. I just hope the star players stay healthy, because if that happens I know the outcome of the season will be positive.

As for the draft, a trade back to acquire a couple of more picks wouldn't be bad in my opinion. If they stay at #9, Cox or Kuechly would be nice picks. I just hope they stay away from Coples.

Hey man, good to see you posting again.

I'm pulling for Cox to be the choice. Adding an interior presence improves every level of the defense more than adding edge pressure, adding a linebacker or adding a corner. I would chose Cox over Blackmon or Floyd.

Kuechly could be a good choice. He would come in and we could expect 100 tackles.

I'm not that shy of Coples. Rivera and Hurney visited Coples and his family and have brought him in twice. If motivation is the biggest issue, I don't see that as a reason to shy away. Beason isn't going to allow anyone to take plays off let alone a rookie.

dj825
04-26-2012, 08:06 PM
love the Kuechly pick, maybe this means Davis and Beason can take some breaks and be less liable to injury this year and we wont lose much.

or, off chance we move to a 3-4? dont really think so but a friend brought it up and i figured it was worth mentioning to you guys.

SchizophrenicBatman
04-26-2012, 08:22 PM
I hate Hurney being a ***** and taking a LB again but I like Kuechly as a player

Now please trade into the late first and take Janoris

Smash28Dash34
04-26-2012, 10:53 PM
Hard to believe they passed on Cox, but cant complain about Kuechly. Our linebacking core is looking solid.

ShutDwn
04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
love the Kuechly pick, maybe this means Davis and Beason can take some breaks and be less liable to injury this year and we wont lose much.

or, off chance we move to a 3-4? dont really think so but a friend brought it up and i figured it was worth mentioning to you guys.

They ran a hybrid last year and I expect it to continue this year. People worried about Kuechly not getting playing time are silly. He'll be on the field. He will be undeniable once he gets to training camp. TD is coming back but he will most likely be a shell of himself. Rivera wanted a pick he could count on to come in and make and make an impact and he is getting exactly that. If they blitz him enough he'll win DROY because he is going to get enough tackles, he just needs impact plays on the resume.

I'm hoping for Jenkins in the second round. I'd also like Curry.

I'd be pretty pissed if they took Alshon. He has Jarrett written all over him and he doesn't fit the offense at all. I don't care if he has good hands. He won't get separation and that's all that matters.

dj825
04-27-2012, 01:25 AM
Jenkins, Curry, or Worthy, wouldnt mind us taking him either.

i agree about Alshon though. not as good as he seems.

i cant see Kuechly not getting playing time if not outright starting over Davis tbh, they might even move Beason outside for that matter. Kuechly WILL play a lot. i do like Cox but im much more happy with Kuechly since there seem to be some pretty solid DTs still available.

JustJoe2k5
04-27-2012, 09:42 AM
Good to be back ShutDwn, atleast for now.

Happy with the Kuechly pick. As soon as I started to hear the word "safe" attached to him, I assumed he would be very high on the team's draft board. Having finally looked at his college statistics and scouting report, I must say I am very impressed by what I see. I liked Dan Connor and this guy appears to be Connor to the third power.

I also like the talent that will be available at #40. One name out there that intrigues me is Alameda Ta'amu, the defensive tackle out of Washington. Scott's scouting report says he could potentially play nose tackle in either a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. That versatility could be a real plus with the different formations Rivera likes to throw out there.

With that said, they'll likely go WAY off the board with the pick.

ShutDwn
04-27-2012, 02:04 PM
FZdule1wqBI

Kuechly dominates this game. Guys go straight to the ground when he hits. He also has great coverage on Streeter forty yards down field, a 4.3 speed receiver. Then he seals it with a pick six.

I was thinking what JJ said. Kuechly has all the skill Conner lacked, which is pretty much Dan Morgan. He proved at the combine he is a tremendous athlete and not just a tackling machine. He will instantly be the best cover linebacker on the team, which isn't an insult to the current linebackers. I hope he gets his opportunities to rush the QB.

People call him Clark Kent. Having Superman on both sides sounds great. Both Cam and Kuechly train at IMG with Wienke.

Smash28Dash34
04-28-2012, 12:46 AM
Love the Silatolu pick. Guy has a nasty mean streak.

ShutDwn
04-28-2012, 01:16 AM
Love the Silatolu pick. Guy has a nasty mean streak.

I had to research a bit after the pick, I definitely didn't see it coming. We let Wharton go so there is no arguing guard was a need. I can't argue with improving the line. I hope he can help get the run game going faster than usual.

I wish we had a third rounder. Hosely would have been fantastic in the third. Still, I'm glad Hurney didn't trade next year's second rounder to draft someone from this weak class.

Players I'm interested in:
Ta'amu
Jared Crick
Drew Butler
Ladarius Green
Chris Rainey
Minnefield

Smash28Dash34
04-28-2012, 07:55 AM
I'm hoping for Ta'amu. That would give us a nice young rotation.

ShutDwn
04-28-2012, 01:53 PM
Frank Alexander DE Oklahoma
Joe Adams WR Arkansas
Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina

We traded a 2013 third and a sixth to get Alexander. I don't know much about him but I'm going to expect a lot from him because we gave a lot to get him. He's got pretty low grades despite winning a good amount of awards. This is where I'm praying he is a hidden gem only Rivera saw.

Adams is a great pick. Goodbye Armanti. I think we could have a good special teams unit although not having a punter is a problem still.

Josh Norman is a great value pick. Could have gone as highly as the third or fourth. His forty time killed him. Small school prospect probably scared people off as well. He could be looked at for the safety position.


I want Drew Butler to finish this draft up.

SchizophrenicBatman
04-28-2012, 05:10 PM
I'm pretty happy with this year's draft. I mean, any year you have Hurney and the worst he's done is trade away next year's 3 is a win.

I think we have a decent haul of good players who will contribute for us for a long time. I like that they didn't try to force square pegs into round holes by drafting to fill the obvious problems last year. With Cam, we're going to be good for a long time so let's take the time to build a damn good team instead of constantly trying to put out fires

With that said, here's my immediate evaluations ignoring need

- Kuechly will be a stud LB. Only concern is him getting in the way of Beason but you can't rely on a guy coming back from an achilles injury anyway

- Silotalu looks like a good pick. Guard was a need spot for me and I'm glad we cut Wharton and have replaced him. We would've waited a year too late to cut him in the Fox era and three years too late to draft a replacement

- I like the Frank Alexander pick. His tape looks very good. He seems to be quick but not long speed fast - his 4.8 40 might be deceptive

- Joe Adams, meh. He'll be a professional returner which is something we didn't have with Armanti but nothing special imo. Guy loves to run sideways/backwards and I don't think he's much of a WR. Supposedly the reason for the trade was him so I'm going to be pissed if he isn't good

- For where he was drafted Norman looks like a good risk. Not penciling him in long term but worth the shot. Can't be worse than Munnerlyn, can he? A little surprised we went non-D1 x2 this draft, not usually a calling card of Hurney's

- From what I recall of Nortman he's ok I guess. An NFL punter but not going to be Shane Lechler. I didn't look at the punters of this draft much because I was holding out hope we'd sign an FA for a couple years and draft Brad Wing out of LSU when he goes pro

- Safety from Cal looks like fodder to me. Maybe an ST contributor

Not a bad haul. Kuechly/Silotalu/Alexander project as starters on good teams to me. Nortman will be a starter too, no idea if he's good or not tho

ShutDwn
04-28-2012, 10:22 PM
Nortman was a surprise, but he fits this draft. There must've been something about him, maybe he charmed the pants off Hurney.

This draft addressed almost every need fans identified other than DT, but the order was much different than expected so I think they tried to be patient. I'd say they're also being patient with Fua and McClain. They could've had their pick of defensive tackle in the first.

Additions to the defense through FA, draft or players coming back from injury:

Haruki Nakamura
Reggie Smith
Ron Edwards
Jon Beason
Thomas Davis
Brandon Hogan
Kuechly - he'll play
Alexander
Norman

I like the depth at safety now and what they bring to special teams. This draft definitely added talent to the team as well as some good value picks to develop like Norman.

Players I'm excited to see most: Hogan, Kuechly and Alexander.

Caddy
04-28-2012, 10:25 PM
I'm pretty happy with this year's draft. I mean, any year you have Hurney and the worst he's done is trade away next year's 3 is a win.

I think we have a decent haul of good players who will contribute for us for a long time. I like that they didn't try to force square pegs into round holes by drafting to fill the obvious problems last year. With Cam, we're going to be good for a long time so let's take the time to build a damn good team instead of constantly trying to put out fires

With that said, here's my immediate evaluations ignoring need

- Kuechly will be a stud LB. Only concern is him getting in the way of Beason but you can't rely on a guy coming back from an achilles injury anyway

- Silotalu looks like a good pick. Guard was a need spot for me and I'm glad we cut Wharton and have replaced him. We would've waited a year too late to cut him in the Fox era and three years too late to draft a replacement

- I like the Frank Alexander pick. His tape looks very good. He seems to be quick but not long speed fast - his 4.8 40 might be deceptive

- Joe Adams, meh. He'll be a professional returner which is something we didn't have with Armanti but nothing special imo. Guy loves to run sideways/backwards and I don't think he's much of a WR. Supposedly the reason for the trade was him so I'm going to be pissed if he isn't good

- For where he was drafted Norman looks like a good risk. Not penciling him in long term but worth the shot. Can't be worse than Munnerlyn, can he? A little surprised we went non-D1 x2 this draft, not usually a calling card of Hurney's

- From what I recall of Nortman he's ok I guess. An NFL punter but not going to be Shane Lechler. I didn't look at the punters of this draft much because I was holding out hope we'd sign an FA for a couple years and draft Brad Wing out of LSU when he goes pro

- Safety from Cal looks like fodder to me. Maybe an ST contributor

Not a bad haul. Kuechly/Silotalu/Alexander project as starters on good teams to me. Nortman will be a starter too, no idea if he's good or not tho

Aussie Aussie Aussie!

Smash28Dash34
04-28-2012, 10:27 PM
Seems like we brought in a lot of undrafted WRs. Check out Rico Wallace's film and measurables. Definitely a guy to watch in camp.

JPF
04-29-2012, 09:19 AM
Pretty happy with the draft this year. Be interesting to watch some of the position battles at camp for sure.

Those asking about Nortman, he said in an interview (I've watched & read so many of these draftees that I can't remember where it was) that he worked out for our ST coach on April 10th...in 30 degree weather with wind and rain. That would make you think they liked what they saw from him in that type of weather.

ShutDwn
04-30-2012, 02:56 PM
I think this draft could be sneaky good. None of the players are flashy, but they're all solid picks. The top four picks could be huge boosts at their positions compared to last year.

JPF
05-09-2012, 03:53 PM
Man if Davis can stay healthy we could have a beastly LB rotation

ShutDwn
07-11-2012, 08:53 PM
Football outsiders provides more Cam lovin'

http://www.catscratchreader.com/2012/7/11/3150401/the-truth-about-cam-newtons-impact-on-the-carolina-panthers

ShutDwn
08-02-2012, 11:05 PM
Camp Notes:

+ Murphy is a nice pick up.
+ Kuechly is going to be our best defensive player
+ Tolbert is the new Shockey
+ Ron Edwards is... back?
+ Joe Adams can field punts
+ Norman is a baller
+ Sherrod Martin may have salvage value

but...

- Norman is injured
- Thomas Davis hasn't been at practice in three days
- Mare might win his job
- Captain Munnerlyn is fighting off Butler for the #2 job.

and finally...

- Otah was too fat to pass a physical and now we have cut him

But I can't end this on a negative note so...

+ Cam is still (on the way to being) ******* great.

OSUGiants17
08-10-2012, 02:48 PM
Cam Newton sig for anyone who wants it:

http://i45.tinypic.com/11rpqvs.jpg

just give me credit :)

ShutDwn
08-12-2012, 08:53 PM
pretty boring preseason game but we signed Stewart. I honestly couldn't care about the money, he'll restructure when Cam's contract rolls around. Apparently people think it's dumb to be stacked at the position nobody is preparing to play against anymore. Stewart and Tolbert are also dangerous pass catchers who we will use with screens all the time.

This was my favorite part of the game:


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1289278/crazyjoe_medium.gif

I really hope he just rips this return position away from Armanti. We all know he should get it, but I want him to erase any doubt.