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Borat
12-23-2011, 02:53 AM
Week 16:
Saturday, December 24, 2011

http://gridironexperts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Seattle-Seahawks-vs.-49ers.jpg

San Francisco 49ers (11-3)
at
Seattle Seahawks (7-7)

Time: 1:15 pm pst

Location: CenturyLink Field
http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/washington/seattle/images/s/field-hotels.jpg

Man, such an awesome stadium. Our new one is nothing close to this. I'm intimidated. I hate playing there. I pretty much always book it as a loss. Not this year. We have to win this game.

There's a new member of my man crush Hall of Fame

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/12/20/NFL-Replay-49ers-defense-passes-test-R1O82CN-x-large.jpg

http://www.csncalifornia.com/common/medialib/223/617446.jpg

Go here (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8253bf2f/Smith-s-sack-o-rama)to watch the carnage from Monday night. Sorry, you have to watch a trailer for "War Horse", but it's totally worth it.

13 sacks. New 49er record. A Boss.

This game could be brutal to watch. That crowd could really rattle our offensive line. I hate that. In a way, this should be a much tougher game than the Steelers.

Guess who practiced on Thursday?

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/photo_images/4790781/95978_Cardinals_49ers_Football.jpg
Do want. We need him back for this game.

Who's a bigger badass:

This
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/wp-content/blogs.dir/2277/files/49ers-vs-raiders-whos-better-at-each-position/andy-lee.jpg

or this
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6055/6330107533_bdd79d19ca_z.jpg
You really can make a solid argument for both. Discuss.

We'll need to shut down this
http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/12/01/Lynch-carries-Seahawks-over-Eagles-12LMLJF-x-large.jpg

None of this
http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/image/composition/19264719/view/1/producttypecolor/4/type/png/width/280/height/280/beast-mode-marshawn-lynch-seattle-seahawks_design.png

And for the love of God, please, none of this
http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/MarshawnLynch.jpg

This guy needs more love
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/wp-content/blogs.dir/2277/files/49ers-week-one-highlights/ba-49ers12_0504130007.jpg
So good.

Then, there's always this
http://godblesssunday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/carroll-harbaugh-best-buds.jpg

Lastly, looks like we won't see this
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ted+Ginn+Seattle+Seahawks+v+San+Francisco+85tLucB6 qp7l.jpg

Or this
http://nfl49ers.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/ginn-header.jpg

Or this
http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/1888472/90037_APTOPIX_Seahawks_49ers_Football.jpg

2 ******* kick returns!!!!! But, we still have this

S-KMU9ioyCU

Standings:

1. San Francisco 49ers (11-3)
2. Arizona Cardinals (7-7)
2. Seattle Seahawks (7-7)
4. St. Louis Rams (2-12)

Special Note:
http://cdn.tauntr.com/sites/default/files/userfiles/100809_08.jpg

phlysac
12-23-2011, 08:07 AM
The only Skittles I wanna see on Saturday...

http://demotivare.com/uploads/2011-04/457_skittles.jpg

Brent
12-23-2011, 08:52 AM
I hate when they play in Seattle. I swear, that stadium was build to maximize noise.

Madirishman
12-23-2011, 08:54 AM
The crowd noise is an issue but I want to see progression from our O-Line. Anthony Davis - this means you! No going Kwame on us and having 3+ false starts in one game. No excuses. That's why you practice this with the coaches pumping in noise, etc.

It'll be key to get an early lead and take the crowd out of the game as much as possible. If the Niners get off to a slow start, then the game becomes more difficult to win for them with each snap.

I'm calling at least 2 more unique plays (we haven't seen yet this year) being executed this week due to Harbaugh wanting to be aggressive and smack Carroll down again.

I have Lynch on 2 fantasy football finals teams this week and I'M BENCHING HIM because our front 7 is legit and the >100 yards & No Rush TDs streak will continue. Go Niners!

VAfy-ya
12-23-2011, 09:00 AM
I hate when they play in Seattle. I swear, that stadium was build to maximize noise.

It was and kudos for them for making sure it is. Biggest game of the year......even more so than Monday Night. 'Hawks defense will be the best we've faced sinced the Ravens. No one in the media shows them any love but they are very good. KJ Wright is a impressive rookie and Browner is quietly turning into a baller. Red Bryant is underated and on a whole, their guys just attack all game. This will be the offense's biggest test IMO. This is really like a playoff game. On the road, hostile enviroment, late in the year playing a team that is peaking at the right time. We better be ready....

PhysicalwithanF
12-23-2011, 12:21 PM
This game is going to be our hardest test of the year IMO. Seattle is playing playoff caliber football right now, they have a young and physical D, the best safety duo in the league and other young talents like KJ Wright, Red Bryant, Browner, Richard Sherman etc..together with that crowd, a rainy cold weather prediction,..we are gonna have our hands full. I wish #52 was back for this game..

Ness
12-23-2011, 02:00 PM
If it helps, whenever I've stayed home and watched the game on my computer we've won. All three times I've went out (twice to a bar and once to a friend's house for Thanksgiving on Saturday) we've lost. I'll definitely be glued to my seat at home Saturday.

Borat
12-23-2011, 02:30 PM
If it helps, whenever I've stayed home and watched the game on my computer we've won. All three times I've went out (twice to a bar and once to a friend's house for Thanksgiving on Saturday) we've lost. I'll definitely be glued to my seat at home Saturday.

Game over.

Brent
12-23-2011, 03:06 PM
“They come to our place Christmas Eve, and we’re going to beat the hell out of ‘em,” McCloughan said of the 49ers to Michael Silver of Yahoo! Sports.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/23/seahawks-executive-on-49ers-were-going-to-beat-the-hell-out-of-him/

Rabscuttle
12-23-2011, 03:30 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/23/seahawks-executive-on-49ers-were-going-to-beat-the-hell-out-of-him/

Somebody is counting on this turning into a drinking game.

Madirishman
12-23-2011, 11:03 PM
Somebody is counting on this turning into a drinking game.

Hope not, cause we'll lose. Harbaugh will keep it all football I hope, but if it goes to drunken ***** slapping, they're screwed.

binary
12-24-2011, 03:09 AM
im nervous about this one, was confident about Pitt

Ness
12-24-2011, 03:37 AM
im nervous about this one, was confident about Pitt

The thing that really bugs me about this upcoming game is the most likely reality that we'll have yet another bad day converting third downs.

VAfy-ya
12-24-2011, 08:04 AM
I hope they aren't foolish enough to play Willis. They should just shut him down until the playoffs. Grant has been solid, no need to risk him re-aggrevating that hamstring.

Madirishman
12-24-2011, 09:42 AM
I hope they aren't foolish enough to play Willis. They should just shut him down until the playoffs. Grant has been solid, no need to risk him re-aggrevating that hamstring.

Agreed. I'd love to see #52 out there but there's reason to risk him. I'd much rather see him in the playoffs. Grant has filled in as well as anyone on any team all year, making it that much easier of a situation. Plus they have #52+1 still roaming sideline to sideline making a boatload of tackles.

I really want them to neutralize 'catfish man' today. Damn he's ugly.

dan77733
12-24-2011, 11:01 AM
Oh wow, I thought that photo of that Seahawks fan was a fake. A Seahawks tattoo on his tooth??? WTF????

Oh well, the Skittles pic easily makes up for it. :p

Brent
12-24-2011, 03:23 PM
Nice angle by Dashon on that TD. Oh wait.

Ness
12-24-2011, 03:37 PM
Smith really needs to work on those throws on the sidelines when they go deep. He had Vernon for a touchdown if it was more accurate.

Ness
12-24-2011, 03:38 PM
49ers defense might give up their first game to a 100 yard rusher today. And maybe a touchdown. Lynch is running hard.

Ness
12-24-2011, 03:48 PM
Whoa, Walker got his helmet popped off violently. Hope he is okay.

Ness
12-24-2011, 03:57 PM
Another bad day on third downs. 1/4 so far. Alex had Vernon Davis open on a crossing route, but instead decided to take the sack. Really sick of this.

Ness
12-24-2011, 04:11 PM
49ers defense isn't showing up today. Alex and the offense is going to have to carry this team, which most likely means a loss. Oh well. I guess we'll have to settle for wild card weekend.

Brent
12-24-2011, 04:14 PM
Stone hands is back.

Borat
12-24-2011, 04:15 PM
49ers defense isn't showing up today. Alex and the offense is going to have to carry this team, which most likely means a loss. Oh well. I guess we'll have to settle for wild card weekend.

Come on Ness. It's not even halftime yet. The score is 7-3. Just relax.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-24-2011, 04:58 PM
Another bad day on third downs. 1/4 so far. Alex had Vernon Davis open on a crossing route, but instead decided to take the sack. Really sick of this.

It's so tough being 11-3. No wonder other team's fans call us Whiners. Still got a whole 2nd half and we get the ball. Not even close to out of this game.

Ness
12-24-2011, 05:04 PM
It's so tough being 11-3. No wonder other team's fans call us Whiners. Still got a whole 2nd half and we get the ball. Not even close to out of this game.

I like putting teams away in the first half. Seven entire weeks without a first half touchdown. That's pathetic. This is why the talking heads and the national media doesn't take us seriously.

Ness
12-24-2011, 05:06 PM
LMFAO at the 49ers on third down. What a bunch of FAIL.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-24-2011, 05:14 PM
I like putting teams away in the first half. Seven entire weeks without a first half touchdown. That's pathetic. This is why the talking heads and the national media doesn't take us seriously.

Who cares what the media and talking heads think? Let them concern themselves with Tim Tebow while we position ourselves. Also I don't think you are giving Seattle enough credit for the way they have played at home the last few weeks. Tough environment on short rest.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-24-2011, 05:15 PM
Vernon was big time on that drive. Clutch catches by him. Nice to see SF come away with 7 instead of the usually 3.

Ness
12-24-2011, 05:16 PM
Who cares what the media and talking heads think? Let them concern themselves with Tim Tebow while we position ourselves. Also I don't think you are giving Seattle enough credit for the way they have played at home the last few weeks. Tough environment on short rest.

I'm what they call the town heckler. It's my job to have an asshole attitude on Sundays...and sometimes Saturday.

Ness
12-24-2011, 05:29 PM
Terrible red zone play calling. I hate conservative play calling. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME. HELLO!!!!

hawkeye123
12-24-2011, 06:34 PM
Nice win. Pretty sloppy, but a win is a win.

Borat
12-24-2011, 06:36 PM
Not very impressive. But winning in Seattle rarely is.

hawkeye123
12-24-2011, 06:37 PM
Check the sig.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-24-2011, 06:42 PM
One win (or Saints loss) away from a 1st round bye. Minus the blocked punt thought SF dominated the 2nd half. The 3rd down run calls though made me want to pull my hair out.

binary
12-24-2011, 06:52 PM
I thought most of the players played well, but I think the playcalling was just way too conservative to pull away in this one.

Oline did a great job, they are really coming together.

Lynch was a lot better than he used to be, I was impressed.

Alex was owning in the second half (and if it wasn't for some drops and bad receiving plays, the first half as well), I'm disappointed we went so conservative in the redzone. It almost came back to bite us.

Braylon Edwards....yikes.

It's looking like receiver is going to be a high priority this offseason, and I hate making receivers a high priority.

VAfy-ya
12-24-2011, 07:01 PM
Wasn't pretty but we just won in the most hostile enviroment in the league, with a highly motivated division rival, on 4 days rest. That's worth two wins in my book. My biggest concern is the injuries to J. Smith and Walker. I know J. Smith came back and played but I would hope they seriously consider sitting him next week. Anybody know the status of Walker?

Ness
12-24-2011, 07:02 PM
Saints fans talking **** on their forum. I started a ruckus.

http://saintsreport.com/forums/f2/we-can-still-get-number-2-seed-218076/

dan77733
12-24-2011, 07:02 PM
Happy we won. Disappointed Lynch scored a rushing TD and gained over 100 yards but I rather have the win so fair trade.

Braylon Edwards sucks period.

Hated the play-calling after the Crabtree reception inside the Seahawks 30. Three straight runs? Come on. I dont mind running on 3rd down as long as we passed on first down, second down or both but three straight running plays is crappy.

Even if we get the second seed, it wont matter because if we dont score TD's in the playoffs, we'll lose our first game and be eliminated.

WR SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. We need a deep threat receiver who can catch the ball and spread out the defense. We get a receiver like that in the off-season to start opposite Crabtree along with Davis, Walker, Williams and Morgan, we'll be better in the redzone and should score more TD's instead of FG's.

VAfy-ya
12-24-2011, 07:04 PM
And I will second that Roman was downright awful with the play-calling.

Borat
12-24-2011, 07:23 PM
Any win in Seattle is huge. Like I said in original post, when I look at the schedule before the season I always consider at Seattle a loss. Huge win today with the bye at stake.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-24-2011, 07:26 PM
Delanie Walker may be out for the season:
MaioccoCSN
Delanie Walker (jaw) was transported to hospital for evaluation. He is returning home with the 49ers. But future this season up in the air.

I wonder if they will bring up Konrad Reuland from the practice squad. I liked him during the preseason but I remember the knock on him was his blocking.

Brent
12-24-2011, 07:28 PM
do we know what happened to Walker? all I heard was jaw-related injury

PhysicalwithanF
12-24-2011, 07:46 PM
Heard Walker had a broken jaw..anyoe confirm this? either way it doesnt look good.

Brutal "win"..I think DWalk is done for the year, Kyle, JSmith, Brooks all dinged up. We need Atl to win so we can rest against the Rams.

On a lighter note:
Anthony Davis latest tweet: "ANother W..Merry Christmas..**** the Seahawks..Scott Mcloughan eat ****." HAHAHAHA

Ness
12-24-2011, 08:14 PM
That's hilarious.

VAfy-ya
12-24-2011, 08:46 PM
I dont know where Braylon Edwards head is but he might find himself inactive for the playoffs if he doesn't get his mind right. Williams will probably be out for the Rams game. Ginn is already hurt. We need him to step up. Crabs has elevated his game. Braylon NEEDS to step up. I we only have 3 healthy WRs now in Crabs, Edwards, and Swain. Hope K-10 is able to go next week but that hit looked vicious.

binary
12-24-2011, 09:09 PM
Yup, it's really time for Braylon to step up.

Borat
12-24-2011, 09:19 PM
Yup, it's really time for Braylon to step up.

I'm not counting on anything out of him.

binary
12-24-2011, 09:21 PM
He seems a lot slower, that's for sure.

49ersfan_87
12-24-2011, 09:38 PM
Our WR's stink. Swain is a STer, Edwards doesn't have it this year, and Ginn is a returner only. None of these guys besides Crabs and Williams are even average. IMO it's our biggest need by far.

Also, i hope Atlanta wins on MNF. Get the bye and get Kaepernick some playing time in the 2nd half of the Rams game. I'm intrigued to see how he would do in extended regular season action.

dan77733
12-24-2011, 10:13 PM
Question for everyone -

For the off-season, if he was to become an UFA, would anyone be in favor of signing WR DeSean Jackson? Just curious.

Borat
12-24-2011, 10:18 PM
Question for everyone -

For the off-season, if he was to become an UFA, would anyone be in favor of signing WR DeSean Jackson? Just curious.

Hell yeah. Same for Colston.

49ersfan_87
12-25-2011, 02:01 AM
So i heard that Delanie Walker broke his jaw. Might be out for the rest of the year, including playoffs. Do we activate Konrad Reuland from the PS then? The players were calling him (Jay) "Novachek" in training camp. Apparently didn't make the 53 because he had to work on his blocking and strength training.

VAfy-ya
12-25-2011, 02:03 AM
Question for everyone -

For the off-season, if he was to become an UFA, would anyone be in favor of signing WR DeSean Jackson? Just curious.

Not really. The guy is not a complete WR and a malcontent. Rather go after Bowe, Meacheam, Schilens in that order. No Colston either. We need a legitmate deep threat, big WR who is a target in the red-zone to help with our scoring problems in that part of the field. Colston is basically a bigger version of Crabtree(with better hands). We have K-10 in that slot guy role and I think he shown enough to see if he can take the next step in the off-season. We need a big target(well bigger than the guys we currently have, not including Edwards) in the red-zone, and a legitmate deep threat to open up the middle of the field for VD, Crabs and Walker to work some. And throw in K-10 in the slot and that's a dangerous passing attack. Would love Vincent Jackson too but he's injured far too much to throw huge dollars at. Also think we'll re-sign Morgan so throw him into the mix as well.

VAfy-ya
12-25-2011, 02:14 AM
So i heard that Delanie Walker broke his jaw. Might be out for the rest of the year, including playoffs. Do we activate Konrad Reuland from the PS then? The players were calling him (Jay) "Novachek" in training camp. Apparently didn't make the 53 because he had to work on his blocking and strength training.

I don't think we have any other choice really. But if we did, I wouldn't expect it to happen until after the Rams game. I think Pelle can fill in for a week, then we bring Reuland up and and he has 2 weeks to get himself accilmated for his first playoff game of his young career. I'd suspect he'd be third on the depth chart. Shame we didn't have Byham this year. With his blocking, think our running game would have been that much better in those 3 TE sets. If he blocking hasn't improve much though, we might just go with more 2 RB personel and use Miller almost like a H-Back. Walker has become a much improved blocker and that's where we going to miss him the most....in the running game.

Ness
12-25-2011, 02:17 AM
Question for everyone -

For the off-season, if he was to become an UFA, would anyone be in favor of signing WR DeSean Jackson? Just curious.

Absolutely not. I really wouldn't want that kind of diva receiver on the team. The kind of guy who dogs it when he isn't getting enough catches or things aren't going his way. He's going to get a quarterback killed. I hate guys like that.

Obviously I don't know the guy, but he always came off as a pure diva receiver to me. I'd much rather have Colston. But he's smart. He won't leave the Saints.

Ness
12-25-2011, 02:24 AM
Yup, it's really time for Braylon to step up.

No. It's time for him to go to the bench.

binary
12-25-2011, 05:38 AM
Colston is slow as molasses. Give me Bowe over Jackson or Colston.

abaddon41_80
12-25-2011, 10:11 AM
I just want a receiver that has reliable hands. Crabtree is certainly getting there but Colston or Bowe would be awesome.

Ness
12-25-2011, 11:28 AM
Colston is slow as molasses. Give me Bowe over Jackson or Colston.

Colston isn't that slow. Not like Hines Ward or anything. And he'll definitely be able to catch the ball.

Part of the problem that our receivers are having issues though is quarterback. A good quarterback makes issues like drops subside a little bit. Hopefully Smith gets better next year and this isn't that big of a deal anymore.

Madirishman
12-25-2011, 01:42 PM
I've been saying this and it become evident every week when Braylon fails in this role - we need a BIG WR; possession type and redzone threat. This type of WR wil compliment our current core and gove the coaching staff ability to create even more match up issues for the opposition.

Ness
12-25-2011, 03:19 PM
I've been saying this and it become evident every week when Braylon fails in this role - we need a BIG WR; possession type and redzone threat. This type of WR wil compliment our current core and gove the coaching staff ability to create even more match up issues for the opposition.

We have one in Josh Morgan. He's just hurt. That really isn't the problem though. Its' quarterback. You have a good quarterback and anyone will look good. Look no further than the Colts. Reggie Wayne is having a bad year due to bad quarterback play.

I'm not saying this just as an excuse to ***** about Alex Smith. I'm just saying that it won't matter who we get at receiver that much until the quarterback play gets better.

abaddon41_80
12-25-2011, 05:56 PM
On-target drops, which have been a big problem this year, are in no way Smith's fault

Ness
12-25-2011, 06:42 PM
On-target drops, which have been a big problem this year, are in no way Smith's fault

No one is saying the receivers dropping passes are Alex's fault. What I am saying is just that those kind of mistakes can be overcome with good quarterback play. Atlanta, Green Bay, and Detroit are in the top five for passes dropped. But look at what their quarterbacks have done. Just goes to show it doesn't really matter that much.

phlysac
12-25-2011, 10:15 PM
No one is saying the receivers dropping passes are Alex's fault. What I am saying is just that those kind of mistakes can be overcome with good quarterback play. Atlanta, Green Bay, and Detroit are in the top five for passes dropped. But look at what their quarterbacks have done. Just goes to show it doesn't really matter that much.

Cmon, it matters. Sure, Atlanta, Green Bay, and Detroit have more TOTAL drops. They also have a ridiculously higher amount of attempts.

Alex Smith - 415
Matt Ryan - 505 + Tomorrow night
Aaron Rodgers - 502
Matt Stafford - 604

They each have like 100 more passes. You don't think 100 more passes would yield more drops?

Despite so few passes attempted, the 49ers have 3 of the top 16 players in "on-targets drops."

VAfy-ya
12-25-2011, 10:56 PM
Cmon, it matters. Sure, Atlanta, Green Bay, and Detroit have more TOTAL drops. They also have a ridiculously higher amount of attempts.

Alex Smith - 415
Matt Ryan - 505 + Tomorrow night
Aaron Rodgers - 502
Matt Stafford - 604

They each have like 100 more passes. You don't think 100 more passes would yield more drops?

Despite so few passes attempted, the 49ers have 3 of the top 16 players in "on-targets drops."


Very true but what I think Ness is referring to is the missed throws. Alex misses his fair amount of throws that good QB's routinely make. Let's not mince words here, that is defintely a problem. And yes, ALL quarterbacks miss throws but I watch ALOT of football and Alex misses alot more than the average QBs around the league miss, and they're usually the ones for big gains. His mechanics are still lacking and I hope Jimbaugh spends alot of time this off-season working on his mechanics because it would make a world of difference.

As far as WRs go, I have made my wishes known here before. But I was looking over the entire free agent list and made a early little wish list on guys I think would help us take that next step, next year. Guys in bold I really want....

OG - Roberto Garza, Jake Scott, Jacob Bell, Ben Grubbs

OLB - Kroy Biermann, Bryan Thomas, Quentin Groves

ILB - Gary Guyton, Kirk Morrison, Bryan Kehl

S - Jim Leonhard, Brodney Pool, Chris Hope, Craig Stellz

CB - Brandon Carr, Jason Allen, Terrell Thomas, Tracey Porter, Eric Wright

QB - Josh Johnson

FB - Spencer Larsen

I think we'll resign Alex, Morgan, and Brooks and franchise Goldson. The rest of the free agents will be replaced.....or upgraded depending on how you look at it.

edgrenade
12-25-2011, 11:31 PM
I think that Rogers is more important than Goldson...

VAfy-ya
12-25-2011, 11:42 PM
I think that Rogers is more important than Goldson...

Not even. We have young players waiting in the wings at CB. Young pups like Cully and Brock make Rodgers expendable if he wants to break the bank. And you still have a vet like Spencer still under contract. Goldson, Reggie Smith, Madieu Williams, and CJ Spillman are all free agents. There is no one waiting in the wings behind them, making that position, i.e. Goldson, a priority. You dont franchise a 31 year old CB unless he is a elite player, which Rodgers isn't.

binary
12-26-2011, 01:28 AM
Colston isn't that slow. Not like Hines Ward or anything. And he'll definitely be able to catch the ball.

Part of the problem that our receivers are having issues though is quarterback. A good quarterback makes issues like drops subside a little bit. Hopefully Smith gets better next year and this isn't that big of a deal anymore.

No. The big issue is they are dropping balls and coming up short on key plays in games. Our receivers lead the league in on-target drops/attempt in the entire league. This has been going on all season.

binary
12-26-2011, 01:30 AM
No one is saying the receivers dropping passes are Alex's fault. What I am saying is just that those kind of mistakes can be overcome with good quarterback play. Atlanta, Green Bay, and Detroit are in the top five for passes dropped. But look at what their quarterbacks have done. Just goes to show it doesn't really matter that much.

They cant be overcome when you barely pass the ball. We are last in passing attemps, it's not part of Harbaugh's O, it never has been. Harbaugh's O is based on EXECUTION above all else. You're reaching big time.


Bleh, I just realized phlysac pretty much said it all.

binary
12-26-2011, 01:34 AM
Not even. We have young players waiting in the wings at CB. Young pups like Cully and Brock make Rodgers expendable if he wants to break the bank. And you still have a vet like Spencer still under contract. Goldson, Reggie Smith, Madieu Williams, and CJ Spillman are all free agents. There is no one waiting in the wings behind them, making that position, i.e. Goldson, a priority. You dont franchise a 31 year old CB unless he is a elite player, which Rodgers isn't.

Do you know how long we've been waiting for a CB to play at a Pro Bowl level here? Do you know how long we've had a crap secondary with crap or overrated CBs? wtf, now you are just going to let him go? Baalke has ALREADY tried to re-sign Rogers, it's obvious he's a priority.

Ness
12-26-2011, 02:07 AM
They cant be overcome when you barely pass the ball. We are last in passing attemps, it's not part of Harbaugh's O, it never has been. Harbaugh's O is based on EXECUTION above all else. You're reaching big time.


Bleh, I just realized phlysac pretty much said it all.

Did it ever occur to you that Harbaugh just isn't shoving Alex into the water because he knows he's not going to carry the team that consistently like Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers? He's just not there yet, and he might never be. Harbaugh has had him passing the ball a lot more the last quarter of the season. Alex has also missed a lot of plays for deep gains. Especially down the sidelines when a receiver is open and gets separation. He either throws it out of bounds or puts too much air on it.

If your starting quarterback isn't that great, why would you go in every Sunday putting the game on his shoulders?

Ness
12-26-2011, 02:08 AM
No. The big issue is they are dropping balls and coming up short on key plays in games. Our receivers lead the league in on-target drops/attempt in the entire league. This has been going on all season.

Where did you find this statistic?

Even if the receivers are having issues, this doesn't change the fact that Smith isn't hitting big plays when they are there most of the time. Hasselbeck dealt with this issue in Seattle for a couple of seasons with Darrell Jackson and Koren Robinson dropping everything coming their way in the early 2000's. The thing is, Hasselbeck still came through because he's a good player.

binary
12-26-2011, 05:28 AM
Not only do we need a tall guy, we need a guy who can get separation. I don't know if it's been the case all season, but in the Seahawks game every time they panned out you could see that our receivers were getting nothing. That's why I'd prefer a guy like Bowe over Colston, explosiveness, change of direction. VD seems to only be effective on straight-line routes. It's a freakin' miracle Alex played as well as he did.

phlysac
12-26-2011, 07:16 AM
Where did you find this statistic?

Even if the receivers are having issues, this doesn't change the fact that Smith isn't hitting big plays when they are there most of the time.

The bolded is where I have issue. This is where I think separates the "haters" from the "lovers", so to speak. He hasn't missed the big plays "most of the time." He's missed "some" of them, which NEEDS to be improved. All of us "lovers" are saying that the receivers need to improve as well. TEAM game. The receivers have missed "some" of the big plays, as well. It can't be one or the other. If we agree that QB play should be better, than the 1st step in "dealing with what you've got" is having the receivers step up and make plays when given the opportunity.

phlysac
12-26-2011, 07:18 AM
Not only do we need a tall guy, we need a guy who can get separation. I don't know if it's been the case all season, but in the Seahawks game every time they panned out you could see that our receivers were getting nothing. That's why I'd prefer a guy like Bowe over Colston, explosiveness, change of direction. VD seems to only be effective on straight-line routes. It's a freakin' miracle Alex played as well as he did.

Agree, If Edwards doesn't return, the team needs a taller receiver. They also need a reliable threat that consistently gets open. If they can't get both in the same body, bonus.


Braylon Edwards - 6-3 214
Michael Crabtree - 6-1 214
Joshua Morgan - 6-1 215
Kyle Williams - 5-10 186
Ted Ginn, Jr. - 5-11 180
Brett Swain - 6-0 200
Dontavia Bogan - 6-1 188
Joe Hastings - 6-0 185
John Matthews - 6-0 200

phlysac
12-26-2011, 07:34 AM
Not even. We have young players waiting in the wings at CB. Young pups like Cully and Brock make Rodgers expendable if he wants to break the bank. And you still have a vet like Spencer still under contract. Goldson, Reggie Smith, Madieu Williams, and CJ Spillman are all free agents. There is no one waiting in the wings behind them, making that position, i.e. Goldson, a priority. You dont franchise a 31 year old CB unless he is a elite player, which Rodgers isn't.

I'm not as confident in Tramaine Brock as you appear to be. He made a big play in weeks one and two, which is absolutely great, but he hasn't even seeen the field much since then. Guys like Madieu Williams were playing a bunch back then, too. If Brock was doing so well, I'd assume we'd be seeing more of him. Instead, Shawntae Spencer has been the #4 and C.J. Spillman tends to be the #5/slot safety.

I'm hopeful for Brock but he has zero passes defensed and zero tackles (limited ST ability) since week 2.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 08:29 AM
I'm not as confident in Tramaine Brock as you appear to be. He made a big play in weeks one and two, which is absolutely great, but he hasn't even seeen the field much since then. Guys like Madieu Williams were playing a bunch back then, too. If Brock was doing so well, I'd assume we'd be seeing more of him. Instead, Shawntae Spencer has been the #4 and C.J. Spillman tends to be the #5/slot safety.

I'm hopeful for Brock but he has zero passes defensed and zero tackles (limited ST ability) since week 2.

Well he also broke his hand was out for like 4 games. It seems the way the defensive staff deals with injuries in the secondary is that they put you at the bottom of the depth chart, and you have to work your way back up. Brock was the nickelback opening day. Talent is there. His injury set him back, as it does most young players getting their first bit of significant reps. Not saying Brock is a future starter but I like him as the nickelback of the future. He's quick, fast, and is very physical for his size. He's a exclusive rights free agent and I suspect Fangio and Donatell want to bring him back and see if he can make that next leap in play. We're not in bad shape at CB at all. Im sure Baalke will look for upgrades as any good GM would, but a core of Brown, Spencer, Cully, and Brock is not too shabby a group to head into next year with. And with a actually off-season to get some coaching in, all should be even better heading into their second year in the system.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 08:41 AM
Do you know how long we've been waiting for a CB to play at a Pro Bowl level here? Do you know how long we've had a crap secondary with crap or overrated CBs? wtf, now you are just going to let him go? Baalke has ALREADY tried to re-sign Rogers, it's obvious he's a priority.

Dont let the ints fool you, Rodgers is a good CB who fits the scheme. But he is a average cover cb. And he's about to be on the wrong side of 30 next off-season. Notice i said "if he wants to breaks the bank". Of course we want to bring him back.....he's done great in our scheme. But Baalke is probably not going to give him the contract he is looking for. This is Rodgers last chance at a payday. I just think someone will shove a 4 year deal with a crazy signing bonus in his face and he bolts.

But honestly, insteading of trying to sign Rodgers I would go after a young stud like Brandon Carr who fits this scheme like a glove. Tall, physical, good speed and is still young. Lock him up and watch him and Cully become bookends for the next couple of years.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 08:48 AM
Not only do we need a tall guy, we need a guy who can get separation. I don't know if it's been the case all season, but in the Seahawks game every time they panned out you could see that our receivers were getting nothing. That's why I'd prefer a guy like Bowe over Colston, explosiveness, change of direction. VD seems to only be effective on straight-line routes. It's a freakin' miracle Alex played as well as he did.

That's why Im in favor in taking a flyer on a guy like Schillens. 6'4, 224 lbs and runs 4.3. He is still raw and will need development but he has raw tools which to work from. And he actually has decent hands. He wont demand a huge contract and he's a guy you bring in early and work with him during the off-season to see if there's any potential there. And you can still go after a bigger name like Bowe or Meachem.

Madirishman
12-26-2011, 10:42 AM
We have one in Josh Morgan. He's just hurt. That really isn't the problem though. Its' quarterback. You have a good quarterback and anyone will look good. Look no further than the Colts. Reggie Wayne is having a bad year due to bad quarterback play.

I'm not saying this just as an excuse to ***** about Alex Smith. I'm just saying that it won't matter who we get at receiver that much until the quarterback play gets better.

No, Morgan isn't small, but I want someone who is bigger than him, more like a Colston size. The QB play does impact how the weapons on the team are used to some degree, but I believe that if we had an even bigger redzone threat WR, it would pay dividends with some of our redzone troubles. I'm confident that even Alex (love him or hate him) could throw an effective jump ball in the endzone where the big WR gets it, or nobody gets it.

Larry
12-26-2011, 10:46 AM
We would be crazy to let rogers walk. He's easily the best CB we've had since Eric Davis in 95. Saying Tramaine Brock makes him expendable is laughable. Brock is our fifth corner for a reason.

Madirishman
12-26-2011, 10:58 AM
Rogers and the Niners both realize that he has the most value to them and the whole reason he came to the Niners was for a fresh start in a new city. He's not getting a 5 year deal somewhere in FA with his age, etc. He'll take his 2 year deal to stay in SF and continue to play where's he's had the best season of his career and is winning. If he doesn't get it, then bye!

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-26-2011, 10:59 AM
I would pass on Colston. For the money he is going to command he is too much of an injury concern for me:
Colston is no stranger to the grind, as he endured microfracture surgery on his left knee in 2009. He has now had three knee surgeries in the past 12 months.

I would rather go after Vincent Jackson. But I don't really see SF signing a big name free agent at WR. The 49ers offense is limited in the passing game and with the way SF shuffles it's WR personnel I don't see them investing heavily (in terms of money wise) into the position. As VAfy-ya suggested taking a flier on a guy like Schillens or settling for a 2nd tier WR like Manningham.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 11:10 AM
We would be crazy to let rogers walk. He's easily the best CB we've had since Eric Davis in 95. Saying Tramaine Brock makes him expendable is laughable. Brock is our fifth corner for a reason.

Reading comprehension lacking much? No where did I say Rodgers is expendable because of Brock. He is expendable because of Cully and Spencer. Fans fall in love with ints, yet don't see the big picture. You can't sign everbody. Some guys won't be back. My gut says Rodgers will be one of those because he's asking price will be too much. Only time will tell.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 11:15 AM
Rogers and the Niners both realize that he has the most value to them and the whole reason he came to the Niners was for a fresh start in a new city. He's not getting a 5 year deal somewhere in FA with his age, etc. He'll take his 2 year deal to stay in SF and continue to play where's he's had the best season of his career and is winning. If he doesn't get it, then bye!

Everything you said makes sense, EXCEPT Rodgers has already turn down a offer from the FO. That just tells me that he isnt willing to just take a measley 2 year deal. He wants Pro Bowl CB-type money and probably a 3-4 year deal. And I dont think Baalke will give it to him.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-26-2011, 11:22 AM
Everything you said makes sense, EXCEPT Rodgers has already turn down a offer from the FO. That just tells me that he isnt willing to just take a measley 2 year deal. He wants Pro Bowl CB-type money and probably a 3-4 year deal. And I dont think Baalke will give it to him.

I wouldn't read into that much. SF made a low ball offer with the ability of having no outside competition setting the market. We also had Snyder, Grant, and Brooks turn down in house contract extensions as well.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 11:23 AM
I would pass on Colston. For the money he is going to command he is too much of an injury concern for me:


I would rather go after Vincent Jackson. But I don't really see SF signing a big name free agent at WR. The 49ers offense is limited in the passing game and with the way SF shuffles it's WR personnel I don't see them investing heavily (in terms of money wise) into the position. As VAfy-ya suggested taking a flier on a guy like Schillens or settling for a 2nd tier WR like Manningham.

Excellent analysis. And I agree they probably won't go for a big name, but if they consider Meachem second-tier I hope its him. And I would REALLY like Bowe. He seems like a Jimbaugh kind of WR, with the deep speed we've been looking for on the outside. But his contract would be HUGE so that's the only reason I dont see it happening.

Larry
12-26-2011, 11:28 AM
Reading comprehension lacking much? No where did I say Rodgers is expendable because of Brock. He is expendable because of Cully and Spencer. Fans fall in love with ints, yet don't see the big picture. You can't sign everbody. Some guys won't be back. My gut says Rodgers will be one of those because he's asking price will be too much. Only time will tell.

Not even. We have young players waiting in the wings at CB. Young pups like Cully and Brock make Rodgers expendable

BTW Rogers wasn't a big INT guy until this year. He's always been a good cover corner. Even the redskins fans will admit that even though they hated that he dropped so many INT's. I'd pay Rogers the big bucks, he deserves it.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 11:30 AM
I wouldn't read into that much. SF made a low ball offer with the ability of having no outside competition setting the market. We also had Snyder, Grant, and Brooks turn down in house contract extensions as well.

Touche. But honestly, I hope they upgrade RG. Synder is not the answer. Grant I believe is good enough to be a starter in this league. I dont see him sticking around. I think for our scheme, and the way the market looks, Brooks is probably a priority. He's still relatively young and he has LB skills with the ability to put his hand in the dirt and play down the line in the nickel. Not too many free agent LBs out their that can do both.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?
12-26-2011, 11:39 AM
Excellent analysis. And I agree they probably won't go for a big name, but if they consider Meachem second-tier I hope its him. And I would REALLY like Bowe. He seems like a Jimbaugh kind of WR, with the deep speed we've been looking for on the outside. But his contract would be HUGE so that's the only reason I dont see it happening.

I really like Bowe as well. Big play WR and terrific downfield blocker. Would be a great fit in this scheme.

Touche. But honestly, I hope they upgrade RG. Synder is not the answer. Grant I believe is good enough to be a starter in this league. I dont see him sticking around. I think for our scheme, and the way the market looks, Brooks is probably a priority. He's still relatively young and he has LB skills with the ability to put his hand in the dirt and play down the line in the nickel. Not too many free agent LBs out their that can do both.

Depends on the money but they look a lot better with Snyder in there, of course that maybe the Chilo effect. I believe I read somewhere (maybe 49ersnews message board) that Snyder is basically like another coach next to Davis and is in his ear every play. Be interesting to see where Stanford Guard David DeCastro is pegged to going this years draft. Seen a lot of beat writers and mockers connecting the dots between SF and DeCastro.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 11:40 AM
BTW Rogers wasn't a big INT guy until this year. He's always been a good cover corner. Even the redskins fans will admit that even though they hated that he dropped so many INT's. I'd pay Rogers the big bucks, he deserves it.

Okay I didnt think I had to explain this but what I was referring to is we have young CBs who are on the verge of bigger roles in the near future. I wasn't literally referring to Brock as a starter, hence why I mentioned both of them. Spencer can give you everything Rodgers can. He just hasnt been healthy enough to show it.

And I know all about Rodgers ability. I was one of the few who was asking the FO to sign him after the lockout when everybody was screaming for Asomugha. But he is 30 years old and is not the same cover CB he once was. Or maybe you didnt see the Giants WRs abusing him when we played them. You dont have to agree with me but its how I feel. To me, Spencer and Rodgers are clones. One is a free agent next year ane one is under contract. All Im saying is if your going to spend big money on a CB, why not go after a younger, bigger, faster version of Rodgers so you can sure up your outside coverage for the next 5 years or so?

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 11:43 AM
Depends on the money but they look a lot better with Snyder in there, of course that maybe the Chilo effect. I believe I read somewhere (maybe 49ersnews message board) that Snyder is basically like another coach next to Davis and is in his ear every play. Be interesting to see where Stanford Guard David DeCastro is pegged to going this years draft. Seen a lot of beat writers and mockers connecting the dots between SF and DeCastro.

Yes, I really like DeCastro....

Also really like Garza for the Bears. Very athletic for his size. One of the best pulling OGs I've seen in awhile and can play center. He fits what Jimbaugh's offense needs at RG.

Larry
12-26-2011, 12:08 PM
Okay I didnt think I had to explain this but what I was referring to is we have young CBs who are on the verge of bigger roles in the near future. I wasn't literally referring to Brock as a starter, hence why I mentioned both of them. Spencer can give you everything Rodgers can. He just hasnt been healthy enough to show it.

And I know all about Rodgers ability. I was one of the few who was asking ask to sign him after the lockout when everybody was screaming for Asomugha. But he is 30 years old and is not the same cover CB he once was. Or maybe you didnt see the Giants WRs abusing him when we played them. You dont have to agree with me but its how I feel. To me, Spencer and Rodgers are clones. One is a free agent next year ane one is under contract. All Im saying is if your going to spend big money on a CB, why not go after a younger, bigger, faster version of Rodgers so you can sure up your outside coverage for the next 5 years or so?

Nice job back peddling. You question my reading comprehension when I clearly proved you put your foot in your mouth saying Brock makes Rogers expendable which is extremely far fetched.

Spencer has been inactive like 5 games and even when he is active he barely even plays. He may not even be on the roster next season. If Spencer can't beat out Tarell Brown. I know how anyone can possibly argue he's as good as Rogers now.

You're really reaching saying Rogers is not the same cover CB he once was when he's arguably having the best season of his career this year. Big deal saying he had a tough game against the giants mostly against Victor Cruz. Cruz has had a huge breakout season and even making big plays against the CB you mentioned Asomugha.

why not go after a younger, bigger, faster version of Rodgers so you can sure up your outside coverage for the next 5 years or so? Younger, bigger and faster doesn't always equal upgrade. That may be hard for you to comprehend.

Last but not least. Is it too hard for you to correctly spell Rogers without a D?

phlysac
12-26-2011, 12:36 PM
I want to see what Daniel Kilgore can offer at Guard. I also think that Adama Snyder is far more valuable than it seems. Every snap he's been out this year it seems as though the entire O-Line craps out. Sadly, I think Snyder has been the glue. And ANY player that can man 5 positions is valuable.

I say let Rachal walk, re-sign Snyder, and allow Kilgore to back Snyder up. Save the draft pick for elsewhere.

phlysac
12-26-2011, 12:37 PM
And Larry Grant is a RFA, so I don't care if he wants a big pay day and/or wants to play elsewhere. You give him a healthy tender and make another team pay to have him.

Madirishman
12-26-2011, 12:45 PM
Everything you said makes sense, EXCEPT Rodgers has already turn down a offer from the FO. That just tells me that he isnt willing to just take a measley 2 year deal. He wants Pro Bowl CB-type money and probably a 3-4 year deal. And I dont think Baalke will give it to him.

It's a negotiation. They could've low-balled him. Just because he reportedly turned an initial offer down, it shouldn't make one assume that he doesn't want to play for the Niners nor will he not accept a different offer in the future.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 01:02 PM
Nice job back peddling. You question my reading comprehension when I clearly proved you put your foot in your mouth saying Brock makes Rogers expendable which is extremely far fetched.

Spencer has been inactive like 5 games and even when he is active he barely even plays. He may not even be on the roster next season. If Spencer can't beat out Tarell Brown. I know how anyone can possibly argue he's as good as Rogers now.

You're really reaching saying Rogers is not the same cover CB he once was when he's arguably having the best season of his career this year. Big deal saying he had a tough game against the giants mostly against Victor Cruz. Cruz has had a huge breakout season and even making big plays against the CB you mentioned Asomugha.

why not go after a younger, bigger, faster version of Rodgers so you can sure up your outside coverage for the next 5 years or so? Younger, bigger and faster doesn't always equal upgrade. That may be hard for you to comprehend.

Last but not least. Is it too hard for you to correctly spell Rogers without a D?

I'm sorry, did I strike a nerve? Listen, Im not going to go back and forward with you. Again, READING COMPREHENSION. Where did I say I didn't want Rogers(happy) back? All I ever said was if his asking price is too much, I'd rather go after a younger guy who can man the position for years to come. The Giants game isnt the only game he's struggled....its just the game I chose to mention. So smart-ass tell me, how many of Rogers ints have come in man coverage? How many did have the trail technique with a safety over-the-top so he could be aggressive and ball-hawk? I stand by my statement, he IS NOT the same cover CB he once was. He fits the scheme because we run alot of combo coverages and Cover 2. Alot of zone-man and he has very good zone instincts as a CB, as well as a being good tackler and good in run support. When has been asked to press, he's held up ok but that won't work against QB's like Brees.

There will come a point in time where we will have to face a top 5 offense(we only faced one this year). We're going have to defend the likes of Green Bay and the Saints every year to get to the Super Bowl. Those teams spread you out and attack you in myrid of ways. You can't expect to zone up QBs like Brees and Discount Double-Check. You have to press their WR and send some heat. We need to find guys more functional in press-coverage. Rodgers will have to do for now but eventually, a upgrade will be needed. So the question is how long is Rogers, at age 30, a starter before we seek a upgrade?

You don't pay a player for what he did this year, you pay him for what he will do in the years to come. No one is more excited about Rogers play than me but I also undestand the big picture is competing for Super Bowls for years to come. IF Rogers asks for more than what Baalke is comforable with, year wise or money wise, he will act accordingly.

As far as Brock, all you have to do is read my post directed at phlysac where I clearly say Im not sure if Brock is a starter, but I like him in the nickel role in the future. Maybe I should have worded it differently but the intent was to say that our young core of CBs make Rogers not worthy of a franchise tag. Or maybe you'd rather go shopping for a FS instead of a CB....whatever floats your boat.

And Spencer hasn't been healthy for most of training camp or the regular season. So what does him being inactive for 5 games have to do with anything? When healthy, he is everything Rogers is.....decent cover CB with great zone skills and a ability to make plays on the ball. Like I said, your entitled to your opinion but you aren't going to chance my stance. And it would be stupid for you to think that you could. Just agree to disagree and move on....I already have.

Ness
12-26-2011, 01:06 PM
No, Morgan isn't small, but I want someone who is bigger than him, more like a Colston size. The QB play does impact how the weapons on the team are used to some degree, but I believe that if we had an even bigger redzone threat WR, it would pay dividends with some of our redzone troubles. I'm confident that even Alex (love him or hate him) could throw an effective jump ball in the endzone where the big WR gets it, or nobody gets it.

Well we have Vernon Davis. You don't get much bigger than that. Honestly I think if Alex just plays better it won't be an issue. The Rams had Torry Holt and Issac Bruce who weren't muscular monsters, but they still dominated in the red zone thanks to great play from Warner and Bulger. Same with Rice and Taylor. Those guys weren't musclebound monsters. They just had accurate passes thrown to them.

Reading comprehension lacking much? No where did I say Rodgers is expendable because of Brock. He is expendable because of Cully and Spencer. Fans fall in love with ints, yet don't see the big picture. You can't sign everbody. Some guys won't be back. My gut says Rodgers will be one of those because he's asking price will be too much. Only time will tell.

I think Culliver has slowed down after his hot start. He's getting picked on a lot lately and he hasn't been making as many plays as he's given up. Spencer I still like, but it's not like he's earned his job back. And he'll be 30 soon anyways.

Borat
12-26-2011, 01:08 PM
Outside of the top QBs, I'd have DeCastro as the top target for SF. He'd be a beast on that line.

Ness
12-26-2011, 01:10 PM
The bolded is where I have issue. This is where I think separates the "haters" from the "lovers", so to speak. He hasn't missed the big plays "most of the time." He's missed "some" of them, which NEEDS to be improved. All of us "lovers" are saying that the receivers need to improve as well. TEAM game. The receivers have missed "some" of the big plays, as well. It can't be one or the other. If we agree that QB play should be better, than the 1st step in "dealing with what you've got" is having the receivers step up and make plays when given the opportunity.

It's not hating. It's telling the truth. Most of the time Alex misses big plays. Especially on the long ball. There were two in the last month or so I'd say were big bllunders. Vernon Davis dropping a for sure touchdown against the Rams at home and Ted Ginn not locating the ball in Arizona. Other than that it's either been an overthrow or thrown out of bounds other than the few times Alex went deep and it was caught. Most of the time it hasn't worked out though. Alex just doesn't seem to be getting more than his fair share of big plays produced. The good quarterbacks get that done. I think it's been more so an issue of the ball being thrown inaccurately than receivers dropping it. And inaccurate passes would also explain failures on third down, which I think are more attributed to that instead of passes being dropped.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 01:14 PM
I want to see what Daniel Kilgore can offer at Guard. I also think that Adama Snyder is far more valuable than it seems. Every snap he's been out this year it seems as though the entire O-Line craps out. Sadly, I think Snyder has been the glue. And ANY player that can man 5 positions is valuable.

I say let Rachal walk, re-sign Snyder, and allow Kilgore to back Snyder up. Save the draft pick for elsewhere.

I like Kilgore too and really hope he impresses this off-season. Synder is not the answer. He's a tweener OG. Do you guys not see him getting repeatedly pushed back and give up penetration on run plays? He's just better than Rachal in pass pro and he has the experience playing OT to tell Davis what to look out for in certain situations. But there's a reason we still use Rachal in some heay packages....because Synder run-blocking is lack-luster. To be the running team Jimbaugh wants to be, especially in the red-zone you need a upgrade at RG. The jack-of-all-trades angle is fine but at some point, but we need a mauler upfront that can get to the second level. And that aint Synder.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 01:19 PM
It's not hating. It's telling the truth. Most of the time Alex misses big plays. Especially on the long ball. There were two in the last month or so I'd say were big bllunders. Vernon Davis dropping a for sure touchdown against the Rams at home and Ted Ginn not locating the ball in Arizona. Other than that it's either been an overthrow or thrown out of bounds other than the few times Alex went deep and it was caught. Most of the time it hasn't worked out though. Alex just doesn't seem to be getting more than his fair share of big plays produced. The good quarterbacks get that done. I think it's been more so an issue of the ball being thrown inaccurately than receivers dropping it. And inaccurate passes would also explain failures on third down, which I think are more attributed to that instead of passes being dropped.

We've had ALOT of 3rd down passes dropped. Especially by the TEs it seems. Like phylsac said, it isnt all on Alex. Alex isnt the best deep ball passer but when it does get there, guys need to make plays. Everyone has to improve in the passing game but I would just like to see someone tweak Alex's mechanics so that the ball doesn't sail on him when throws outside the hashes. That's a mechanics issue, IMO.

VAfy-ya
12-26-2011, 01:21 PM
And Larry Grant is a RFA, so I don't care if he wants a big pay day and/or wants to play elsewhere. You give him a healthy tender and make another team pay to have him.

Everything I've seen says he's a UFA.....but I hope your right, that would be huge.

phlysac
12-26-2011, 03:35 PM
Everything I've seen says he's a UFA.....but I hope your right, that would be huge.

I hope I'm right, too, but I'm reading contradicting reports, as well. He very well might be Unrestricted.

I'm not sure how it works. When can teams offer an exclusive rights tender?

Ness
12-26-2011, 03:39 PM
We've had ALOT of 3rd down passes dropped. Especially by the TEs it seems. Like phylsac said, it isnt all on Alex. Alex isnt the best deep ball passer but when it does get there, guys need to make plays. Everyone has to improve in the passing game but I would just like to see someone tweak Alex's mechanics so that the ball doesn't sail on him when throws outside the hashes. That's a mechanics issue, IMO.

Of course it isn't all his fault. I'd say the majority of it is though.

This the top ten teams for converting on third down on offense. Keep in mind San Francisco ranks 31st out of 32 teams for this statistic. Top ten teams:

1. Saints
2. Packers
3. Chargers
4. Patriots
5. Steelers
6. Falcons
7. Ravens
8. Texans
9. Panthers
10. Eagles

All of those teams have a franchise quarterback that at times can shoulder the load. The only one that has really struggled this season is Vick. And he hasn't been super bad. Rivers has struggled with turning the ball over, but he is still a franchise quarterback and helps the Chargers convert a lot of third downs, which is why their offense leads the league in TOP. But all of those teams have solid starters at quarterback. And those guys are mainly responsible for helping the team convert. The 49ers will have a tougher schedule next season. And the NFC West could be improving heavily. If Alex doesn't correct his throwing motions and help the team convert on more third downs, along with receivers catching the ball, it is really going to effect them going forward.

Ness
12-26-2011, 07:29 PM
Did anyone see the tackle that Tarrell Brown decided not to make on Doug Baldwin's touchdown Saturday? Goldson took a bad angle at it, but at least he tried. Brown looked like he was more concerned about not getting injured.

Madirishman
12-26-2011, 07:42 PM
Brown has some decent speed but he isn't consistent at all. Spencer has never been in favor with this coaching staff and isn't that young anymore. Cully is going to get better but he needs more time. If Rogers isn't re-signed, CB is a pretty big need (again).

dan77733
12-26-2011, 09:57 PM
According to Rotoworld.com, Grant was an exclusive rights free agent with the Rams and they resinded their offer in July and he then signed a one year deal with us so it appears that he'll be an UFA.

Personally, I re-sign him. I think the 2012 off-season will be about re-signing our own free agents.

Smith, Morgan, Walker, Snyder, Brooks, Grant, Rogers and Goldson are the top eight players that will be UFA's. Smith is pretty much a guarantee. Morgan should be cheap to keep since he'll be coming off a season ending injury. Walker will probably get some offers but I think that we'll re-sign him. Snyder should be re-signed because if we cant get an RG in the draft, we're screwed and I easily would rather keep Snyder over Rachal. Brooks and Grant should be top priorities. While Brooks can be replaced with Aldon, I would rather see Aldon and Brooks as the starters and see Haralson on the bench. Rogers is important to the defense but he's over 30 and in a scheme that fits him well. Dont see us keeping him. Goldson is 50/50 and could go either way. It depends on what other free agents there will be at FS and CB.

The first six I would definitely try to re-sign even if I have to overpay a little.

abaddon41_80
12-27-2011, 09:13 AM
Braylon Edwards released per Twitter

http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter

Madirishman
12-27-2011, 09:24 AM
Braylon Edwards released per Twitter

http://twitter.com/AdamSchefter

Wow! Didn't see that coming. With Edwards being released, K-10 banged up, and D-Walk out indefinitely, they need to add another weapon or two to this roster or is it Brett Swain time?! Looking forward to their corresponding roster move as this was obviously planned. Braylon signed for $1M and didn't live up to his contract. Ouch.

dan77733
12-27-2011, 10:49 AM
Happy to see Edwards released because he didnt do a damn thing even when he was healthy.

Think its time to give Moss and/or Owens a call. :)

VAfy-ya
12-27-2011, 01:06 PM
Happy to see Edwards released because he didnt do a damn thing even when he was healthy.

Think its time to give Moss and/or Owens a call. :)

Well considering he was healthy all of one game, that's not saying much. He got hurt in the first quarter of the Dallas game. When we signed him, he was "going through something" and didnt practice the first week or so after he was signed. I think the guy was just snake-bitten this year. Edwards has been pretty much healthy his entire career, sans his rookie year I believe it was. The knee then the AC joint, I dont think we ever saw a healthy Edwards all year, minus the first game where our passing game was putrid.

There would be no point in signing a FA this late in the year. The'll probably bring Reuland up from the practice squad and we'll roll with Crabs, Ginn, K-10, and Swain at WR. Unless there's another cut and they bring up WR Matthews. Sad part about losing Walker is that it hurts our ST too, as he was a helluva ST player.

dan77733
12-27-2011, 02:37 PM
Everyone here knows that T.O. is my favorite player but I would choose Moss over him because he's a deep threat which is exactly what we need on the outside.

We should try to sign someone who has enough skill and talent to over come only two weeks of practice and learning the playbook. Even as a decoy, Moss (or Owens) would help us because let's face, we have a great opportunity this season and it would be a shame to see it go down the drain because we dont have that second receiver.

I like Williams more than Edwards but going with Crabtree, Williams (who was injured this past Saturday), Ginn (who is unjured) and Swain isnt exactly going to scare any defense we play. Sure, we have Davis but teams will take away that seam up the middle and as everyone has seen, he's not effective in most games because of that. Also, the drops hurt us too.

You can say Alex this and Alex that but bottom line is that we need a deep threat regardless of who our QB is.

phlysac
12-27-2011, 08:14 PM
Yeah, Michael Crabtree and Brett Swain are the only "definite" WRs available for Sunday.