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JBCX
12-23-2011, 09:53 AM
I'm sorry. He just isn't. He's looked absolutely terrible in too many games this year, and last night's bowl game against Boise State was a prime example.

He has physical upside and potential but he's just too much of a risk to be drafted in the first round. If I'm an NFL GM, there is absolutely no way I would spend anything higher than a low second round pick on this guy.

Kuechly and Hightower are the only ILBs that deserve to be taken in the first round at this point.

Agree or disagree?

DraftSavant
12-23-2011, 10:26 AM
Know who is a first round linebacker that was on the field last night?

Shea.

Matthew Jones
12-23-2011, 10:30 AM
Burfict as a first-round draft pick is a tough sell; aside from his anger management and maturity issues he looks to be way out of shape and doesn't have the raw athleticism that he did earlier in his college career. Vontaze is one of the 32 most talented players in the draft but a GM would really be going out on a limb by drafting him in the first.

Sloopy
12-23-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm sorry. He just isn't. He's looked absolutely terrible in too many games this year, and last night's bowl game against Boise State was a prime example.

He has physical upside and potential but he's just too much of a risk to be drafted in the first round. If I'm an NFL GM, there is absolutely no way I would spend anything higher than a low second round pick on this guy.

Kuechly and Hightower are the only ILBs that deserve to be taken in the first round at this point.

Agree or disagree?

JBCX, I want you to know that I hate this... but you were right...

I still think the guy is extremely talented and has huge upside but the game last night torpedos his stock. Probably goes late 1st early 2nd still, but to a team who isn't risking as much by taking him.

I.E. a team like the eagles is probably passing on him to take a less risky pick.

I wouldn't exactly put Hightower in the first with the exception being a team taking a reach which may happen, otherwise I see him as a high 2nd rounder, maybe to the Chiefs.

All this aside, agree.

However much that hurt me to say, I will say that on a bright side I think this may solidify him being in a Ravens jersey come next season :D

Iamcanadian
12-23-2011, 10:55 AM
First, this is a very weak draft year outside of the 2 QB's and maybe Kalil, so teams aren't going to be very picky once you get past the top 15 picks.

Second, pro football is an extremely violent game and GM's and scouts love it when a prospect shows that kind of demeanor, most of them will draft a nasty player pretty high even if his talent level just isn't there. They will believe that they can corral his temper given time and redirect it in a positive manner for his team.

I believe Burfict will be a 1st rounder or very high second rounder. Once you put a player like him on your defense, other teams are scared to play you, they know he is looking to put a hurt on you. Who are the 2 players in the NFL who currently play a bit out of control, Harrison of the Steelers and Suh of the Lions and believe me they scare the opposition and it affects their opponents game.

Sloopy
12-23-2011, 11:09 AM
I love Burfict and your right probably late 1st early 2nd, but I think that some teams will definitely shy away from him in the top 15-20 especially with all the rule changes in this league.

At the beginning of this season and a long way into it I would say teams would overlook that for the physical tools and upside but considering the year he has had as of late, especially with the bowl game) he no longer goes in that top half of the draft range and some of the teams drafting later will find players at other positions of need over him if they can

Babylon
12-23-2011, 11:12 AM
First, this is a very weak draft year outside of the 2 QB's and maybe Kalil, so teams aren't going to be very picky once you get past the top 15 picks.

Second, pro football is an extremely violent game and GM's and scouts love it when a prospect shows that kind of demeanor, most of them will draft a nasty player pretty high even if his talent level just isn't there. They will believe that they can corral his temper given time and redirect it in a positive manner for his team.

I believe Burfict will be a 1st rounder or very high second rounder. Once you put a player like him on your defense, other teams are scared to play you, they know he is looking to put a hurt on you. Who are the 2 players in the NFL who currently play a bit out of control, Harrison of the Steelers and Suh of the Lions and believe me they scare the opposition and it affects their opponents game.

Agree. First off it's academic to talk about a guy being a late first because after the top 15 there are then usually 30 guys who could sneak into the first. I would question what he has between the ears but definitely 1st round physically.

Iamcanadian
12-23-2011, 11:17 AM
I love Burfict and your right probably late 1st early 2nd, but I think that some teams will definitely shy away from him in the top 15-20 especially with all the rule changes in this league.

At the beginning of this season and a long way into it I would say teams would overlook that for the physical tools and upside but considering the year he has had as of late, especially with the bowl game) he no longer goes in that top half of the draft range and some of the teams drafting later will find players at other positions of need over him if they can

I don't fully agree, Bowl game performances are easily overcome at the Combine. GM's looking to put toughness into their defense are going to take a long look at this guy. If this draft was loaded up with talent, I'd call him a 2nd rounder but it isn't, in fact, it is a very weak draft IMO, after so many juniors declared last year. This is going to move him up in the draft. Starting somewhere around the 15th pick, we could be looking at round 2 talent in this draft so I think Burfict fits right in.

Sloopy
12-23-2011, 11:26 AM
I don't fully agree, Bowl game performances are easily overcome at the Combine. GM's looking to put toughness into their defense are going to take a long look at this guy. If this draft was loaded up with talent, I'd call him a 2nd rounder but it isn't, in fact, it is a very weak draft IMO, after so many juniors declared last year. This is going to move him up in the draft. Starting somewhere around the 15th pick, we could be looking at round 2 talent in this draft so I think Burfict fits right in.

This is true, however the position itself isn't one that is typically selected high anyway. Burfict was one of the only ones really worthy of that top 10-15 range.

Kuechly may benefit and sneak up into that range for a team in desperate need of an ILB (Eagles) but I think teams like the Chiefs who originally were looking at Burfict in the top 15 area will switch their sites elsewhere and pick up a guy like Hightower in the early 2nd.

Bowl games are indeed something that a prospect can overcome but it's not just the bowl game, he didn't have the season everyone thought he would have and was benched towards the end of it. He really needed this bowl game to silence some of the questions raised after this season.

Flaming Mo
12-23-2011, 01:56 PM
I think the last couple of games tell you how bad a relationship Dennis Erickson and Burfict had. Burfict checked out mentally and I think part of that also forced his weight to go up a bit. That situation at ASU must have been a mess, I mean Osweiler yesterday just made a decision on a 4th down play all by himself, sending the punt team off the field. The coaches just stood there. Burfict at the end of the year just looked disinterested and as if he didn't care. Now I think what will be really important for Burfict is how he comes across in the interviews. If he can convince some teams that he isn't a complete knucklehead, that he will work hard and listen to coaching. If that happens, then coaches at the end of the first round will fall in love with him and be so self confident thinking they will channel his energy. NFL coaches, especially the ones who have winning programs at the end of round one like the Steelers, Ravens, Packers or the Jets with Rex, are very confident in their ability to coach people up and deal with certain personalities.

ATLDirtyBirds
12-23-2011, 02:06 PM
Watch the Ravens draft him.

AntoinCD
12-23-2011, 02:18 PM
Some team will draft him late in the first round. His potential is just too high. Get him in a locker room with Ray Lewis and see how long he plays so out of control or be's out of shape.

A lot of times in the draft when it comes to guys like Taze GMs would rather gamble on him due to his upside rather than take a guy with a higher floor than lower ceiling, particularly towards the bottom of the first.

Not that you can afford to miss on a first rounder, but a team with fewer holes like the Ravens or Packers can take a risk on a guy like this because of the reward.

FUNBUNCHER
12-23-2011, 02:26 PM
First, this is a very weak draft year outside of the 2 QB's and maybe Kalil, so teams aren't going to be very picky once you get past the top 15 picks.

Second, pro football is an extremely violent game and GM's and scouts love it when a prospect shows that kind of demeanor, most of them will draft a nasty player pretty high even if his talent level just isn't there. They will believe that they can corral his temper given time and redirect it in a positive manner for his team.

I believe Burfict will be a 1st rounder or very high second rounder. Once you put a player like him on your defense, other teams are scared to play you, they know he is looking to put a hurt on you. Who are the 2 players in the NFL who currently play a bit out of control, Harrison of the Steelers and Suh of the Lions and believe me they scare the opposition and it affects their opponents game.

No team wants an 'uncoachable' player.
That's the territory Burfict is sliding into IMO.

I don't think he's going to interview well.

Harrison and Suh are good teammates and hard workers who sometimes cross the line.

Burfict LIVES across the line.

EDIT:

And what's this huge 'upside' Burfict allegedly has??

Do guys think he's going to tear it up at the combine and ASU's pro day??

I doubt it.

I think he'll run @4.7 in the 40. Be okay in his agility drills, jump 35in in the vert, maybe.

It's not like the guy is a physical specimen at ILB.
He's not Junior Seau.

AntoinCD
12-23-2011, 02:51 PM
No team wants an 'uncoachable' player.
That's the territory Burfict is sliding into IMO.

I don't think he's going to interview well.

Harrison and Suh are good teammates and hard workers who sometimes cross the line.

Burfict LIVES across the line.

EDIT:

And what's this huge 'upside' Burfict allegedly has??

Do guys think he's going to tear it up at the combine and ASU's pro day??

I doubt it.

I think he'll run @4.7 in the 40. Be okay in his agility drills, jump 35in in the vert, maybe.

It's not like the guy is a physical specimen at ILB.
He's not Junior Seau.

Upside isn't all about timed speed and measureables. When he's on his game he is as dominant a LB prospect as there has been in the last few years. The problem is he often gets out of control and loses discipline

FUNBUNCHER
12-23-2011, 03:08 PM
Bah.

When's the last time an ILB 'took over' a football game??

Ray Lewis sometimes came close to doing this very early in his career.
Kuechly has had moments where it appears he's making every single tackle for BC, but even he can't control the game.

Maybe in a different era an ILB would have more value, but in a pass happy modern NFL no ILB has the kind of value a Butkus had in the 1960s, or a Mike SIngletary had in the 1980s.

Unless Burfict has elite speed similar to Patrick Willis and can lockup TEs and RBs in coverage, I don't see big upside from him.

Duffman57
12-23-2011, 03:28 PM
I agree that there's just no ILB worth taking high, just because there's just not all that many if any ILB's who can completely take over games.

But if i'm the Ravens, and i see Burfict still on the board, I laugh at everyone and run away with the prize (Burfict). If the Ravens get him, he will be SCARY good.

D-Unit
12-23-2011, 03:37 PM
He lost me as a fan. His attitude is too much.

Duffman57
12-23-2011, 03:43 PM
He lost me as a fan. His attitude is too much.

Whats weird, is that my friend who used to kick for ASU, as pretty good friends with Burfict, and said that he barely ever drank (and i dont think he smokes at all), and is the quietest person off the field, very reserved, respecfull and pretty mature.

Just on the field, i guess he just loses his $#!+, and just goes absolutely insane.

Bengals78
12-23-2011, 03:51 PM
At this point, I dont see how he cracks the first round or top of the 2nd.

What drives me crazy are Bengal fans who want him because Rey had a bad stretch after he hurt his ankle but has played good ever since.

BaLLiN
12-23-2011, 05:10 PM
Whats weird, is that my friend who used to kick for ASU, as pretty good friends with Burfict, and said that he barely ever drank (and i dont think he smokes at all), and is the quietest person off the field, very reserved, respecfull and pretty mature.

Just on the field, i guess he just loses his $#!+, and just goes absolutely insane.

Very Jekyll and Hyde. A lot of GM's might shy away from him entirely, but then there are some that might love him. It all depends on whether the team can afford to take a risk by choosing him a round earlier. If I am the Giants, I think that he will be gone in the mid picks of the second round, maybe a bit earlier and I try to trade up for him if I haven't picked a LB already. The Giants need talent desperately at LB, so I wouldn't blink an eye if he was taken in the mid first by them, but I could also see him slipping into mid second. The combine will give us a better estimate, and he should do pretty well there.

Duffman57
12-23-2011, 05:11 PM
At this point, I dont see how he cracks the first round or top of the 2nd.

What drives me crazy are Bengal fans who want him because Rey had a bad stretch after he hurt his ankle but has played good ever since.

If Maualuga didn't fall past the early second Burfict wont. Maugaluga was a much worse prospect, and wasn't NEAR the athlete that Burfict is.

Bengals78
12-23-2011, 05:16 PM
Much worse? not at all.

Duffman57
12-23-2011, 05:33 PM
Much worse? not at all.

As a prospect? Absolutely

Bengals78
12-23-2011, 05:36 PM
Based on?
Both being highly touted as top of the first type players?
Both seeing their stock drop as the draft neared?

You can say Burfict has athleticism on his side but of late he hasnt looked it. And at least Rey isnt a suspension/fine waiting to happen.

FUNBUNCHER
12-23-2011, 05:52 PM
Did anyone ever consider that Burfict may have a chemical imbalance??
Maybe he should be popping some lithium caps before kickoff.

But seriously, I've heard from several sources that Burfict doesn't drink or 'smoke'.
For him to come across that unstable in games without feeding a habit off the field, I think he might benefit from a psych eval.

TACKLE
12-23-2011, 07:58 PM
And what's this huge 'upside' Burfict allegedly has??

Do guys think he's going to tear it up at the combine and ASU's pro day??

I doubt it.

I think he'll run @4.7 in the 40. Be okay in his agility drills, jump 35in in the vert, maybe.

It's not like the guy is a physical specimen at ILB.
He's not Junior Seau.

If you watch him play and can't see his upside, I don't know really know what to say. I don't know what his combine numbers will be but I do know I've seen him make some plays that a 250lb 18/19 year old shouldn't be able to make.

OzTitan
12-23-2011, 08:25 PM
When's the last time an ILB 'took over' a football game??

This is a question you could pose for the vast majority of positions, particularly on D. Even a very high impact CB, S or DE is something a good team can gameplan against, and for those positions to individually 'take over a game' consistently is very rare. Of course to gameplan against them they're making a big impact already, but that's not the same thing.

Drafting is much more about having a scheme and system established and finding good fits for that, IMO, than it is expecting to pick up players that, based on their raw ability, dominate at the NFL level. QB, OT and WR seem to be positions where this is more likely to be found, and also sometimes DT, but that's about it, and even in a very top heavy draft those options run out very fast.

Or in other words, if you're sitting at 15 overall, and don't really want to trade down, and you have an ILB on the board who fits your system well but won't likely be around for your next pick, pull the trigger.

JHL6719
12-24-2011, 03:16 AM
Aside from the obvious concerns and questions everybody already has about him, I'm not buying that he brings "toughness" or "leadership" to a defense either.

He's not going to instill "fear" into anybody in the NFL. ASU's defense has never been "feared" or played "tough" since Burfict has been there. They're just another weak, run-of-the-mill Pac-12 defense.

In fact, players in the NFL are only going to use his weakness (inability to keep his head) against him. They're going to use every trick in the book to get under Burfict's skin because of how easy it is. He's his own worst enemy and they know it.

Furthermore, he's not Ozzie Newsome's type of player. Dont'a Hightower is.

Newsome is an Alabama guy through and through, and he knows who the real gems are on Bama's squad every year. If Ozzie is looking for toughness and leadership on his defense, who's also coachable.... he's going to pick Hightower.

He's already hit a few times on underrated players from Bama like LeRon McClain, Jarrett Johnson, Terrance Cody, etc.

He'll pick Hightower over Burfict 10 out of 10 times. Ozzie Newsome is no idiot.

TACKLE
12-24-2011, 03:20 AM
Aside from the obvious concerns and questions everybody already has about him, I'm not buying that he brings "toughness" or "leadership" to a defense either.

He's not going to instill "fear" into anybody in the NFL. ASU's defense has never been "feared" or played "tough" since Burfict has been there. They're just another weak, run-of-the-mill Pac-12 defense.

In fact, players in the NFL are only going to use his weakness (inability to keep his head) against him. They're going to use every trick in the book to get under Burfict's skin because of how easy it is. He's his own worst enemy and they know it.

Furthermore, he's not Ozzie Newsome's type of player. Dont'a Hightower is.

Newsome is an Alabama guy through and through, and he knows who the real gems are on Bama's squad every year. If Ozzie is looking for toughness and leadership on his defense, who's also coachable.... he's going to pick Hightower.

He's already hit a few times on underrated players from Bama like LeRon McClain, Jarrett Johnson, Terrance Cody, etc.

He'll pick Hightower over Burfict 10 out of 10 times. Ozzie Newsome is no idiot.

I sure hope you're wrong.

dannyz
12-24-2011, 12:43 PM
I think going to a Team like the Ravens would be Great for him. The guys on that team would not let him act like that on or off the Field.

shylo3716
12-24-2011, 08:34 PM
I think going to a Team like the Ravens would be Great for him. The guys on that team would not let him act like that on or off the Field.

If we(Eagles) pass on him & he so happens to fall into the Ravens lap, I will be pissed. We did pass on Jimmy this year SMH.

JBCX
12-24-2011, 08:55 PM
If we(Eagles) pass on him & he so happens to fall into the Ravens lap, I will be pissed. We did pass on Jimmy this year SMH.

Jimmy Smith hasn't looked great so far, and I question his ability to stay out of trouble in the future. Wouldn't touch that kid with a ten foot pole.

Same with Burfict. He is so overrated it's not even funny. I wouldn't touch him above the late 2nd round. If he drops that far and you have a chance to pick him up with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, fine. But he'd be far too risky to take with a first rounder, especially a top-15 first rounder.

A Perfect Score
12-24-2011, 10:25 PM
Jimmy Smith hasn't looked great so far, and I question his ability to stay out of trouble in the future. Wouldn't touch that kid with a ten foot pole.

Same with Burfict. He is so overrated it's not even funny. I wouldn't touch him above the late 2nd round. If he drops that far and you have a chance to pick him up with a 2nd or 3rd round pick, fine. But he'd be far too risky to take with a first rounder, especially a top-15 first rounder.

Actually, wrong again. Outside of the Chargers game, which wasn't entirely on him anyways, Smith has looked excellent in his limited playing time. Thank you though, for being entirely uninformed on yet another subject.

And anyone who drafts Hightower over Burfict is a ******* idiot.

JBCX
12-25-2011, 08:59 AM
Actually, wrong again. Outside of the Chargers game, which wasn't entirely on him anyways, Smith has looked excellent in his limited playing time. Thank you though, for being entirely uninformed on yet another subject.


I've seen him getting beaten several times in games.

And JImmy Smith's liability is not just in his play... it's in his off-field behavior now and in the future. The kid is a thug, plain and simple, and you always run a risk with guys like that.

See: Pacman Jones and Aqib Talib. Jimmy Smith was poured from the exact same mold.

And anyone who drafts Hightower over Burfict is a ******* idiot. I'm going to hold you to this in 2-3 years.

Sloopy
12-25-2011, 09:38 AM
I've seen him getting beaten several times in games.

And JImmy Smith's liability is not just in his play... it's in his off-field behavior now and in the future. The kid is a thug, plain and simple, and you always run a risk with guys like that.

See: Pacman Jones and Aqib Talib. Jimmy Smith was poured from the exact same mold.

I'm going to hold you to this in 2-3 years.

What trouble has he been in since entering the league?

Your statements about his on the field play are ridiculous. They were playing him in off coverage all game, his best quality is his ability to press and play bump and run.

This must be like how you claim PP is a bust. He is a rookie corner at one of the more difficult positions to play.

I gave you credit earlier in this thread and you held onto it as long as you could but alas it is over...

Taze has struggled and will likely fall out of his earlier top 10 slotting but this doesn't mean that Hightower suddenly jumps into the first round, he is still a top of the 2nd round talent and Taze probably still doesn't fall out of the 1st.

He will put up some nice #s at the combine. While this won't get him back to his original top 10 ticketing, it will help him stop his fall.

JBCX
12-25-2011, 10:36 AM
What trouble has he been in since entering the league?

Your statements about his on the field play are ridiculous. They were playing him in off coverage all game, his best quality is his ability to press and play bump and run.

This must be like how you claim PP is a bust. He is a rookie corner at one of the more difficult positions to play.

I gave you credit earlier in this thread and you held onto it as long as you could but alas it is over...

Taze has struggled and will likely fall out of his earlier top 10 slotting but this doesn't mean that Hightower suddenly jumps into the first round, he is still a top of the 2nd round talent and Taze probably still doesn't fall out of the 1st.

He will put up some nice #s at the combine. While this won't get him back to his original top 10 ticketing, it will help him stop his fall.

There's always a risk you take picking low-character kids in the first round. They might not come back to bite you in the ass their first year, or even their second year, but eventually those character concerns will creep in there and infect the locker room or cause that kid to run afoul of the law and wreck his career.

A Perfect Score
12-25-2011, 10:39 AM
There's always a risk you take picking low-character kids in the first round. They might not come back to bite you in the ass their first year, or even their second year, but eventually those character concerns will creep in there and infect the locker room or cause that kid to run afoul of the law and wreck his career.

Yeah, because every kid who has ever had character issues in college turns out to be a bust and a thug in the NFL.

Stop posting immediately.

scottyboy
12-25-2011, 10:40 AM
oh, this is one of those "random poster takes a 1st round prospect everyone loves, and says he's not a first rounder, taking a random shot in the dark to throw **** at the wall and try to make it stick" thread.

i love these. there's always a good 5 of them a year

JBCX
12-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Yeah, because every kid who has ever had character issues in college turns out to be a bust and a thug in the NFL.

Stop posting immediately.

Did I say that every low-character kid becomes a bust? No. Quit it with the incessant strawmans, please.

I said that you there is significant risk involved with a low-character kid drafted in the first round. It's just as much of a risk to draft a low character kid as it is to draft a kid with medical red flags. Sure, sometimes, you buy low on that prospect and he turns out to be a player and has little trouble and you "win" on that gamble. Other times, he turns into a perpetual headache for your franchise and/or disrupts the locker room chemistry and adversely affects your team's ability to win games.

There's a reason that kids like Jimmy Smith fall to the bottom of the first round - because despite having elite physical tools, he has character concerns that DO have a possibility of turning that draft pick into a "bust" regardless of any physical ability of the player.

JBCX
12-25-2011, 10:43 AM
oh, this is one of those "random poster takes a 1st round prospect everyone loves, and says he's not a first rounder, taking a random shot in the dark to throw **** at the wall and try to make it stick" thread.

i love these. there's always a good 5 of them a year

No, this is just a reaction to the fact that Burfict has been hyped his entire career but has simply played extremely poorly all year long and doesn't deserve to be picked in the first round.

Prowler
12-25-2011, 10:49 AM
There's always a risk you take picking low-character kids in the first round. They might not come back to bite you in the ass their first year, or even their second year, but eventually those character concerns will creep in there and infect the locker room or cause that kid to run afoul of the law and wreck his career.

The dude had a couple minor intox pickups and smoked weed. Wippee'd doo. I see a potential team wrecking homicidal maniac here.

Ravens1991
12-25-2011, 11:02 AM
The media needed someone to attack with the "serious character concern label" and Jimmy Smith was just the guy who got caught with that. We all heard about the failed drug tests but the media never said about how he was clean after his sophomore year and he graduated college.

Duffman57
12-25-2011, 06:00 PM
Did I say that every low-character kid becomes a bust? No. Quit it with the incessant strawmans, please.

I said that you there is significant risk involved with a low-character kid drafted in the first round. It's just as much of a risk to draft a low character kid as it is to draft a kid with medical red flags. Sure, sometimes, you buy low on that prospect and he turns out to be a player and has little trouble and you "win" on that gamble. Other times, he turns into a perpetual headache for your franchise and/or disrupts the locker room chemistry and adversely affects your team's ability to win games.

There's a reason that kids like Jimmy Smith fall to the bottom of the first round - because despite having elite physical tools, he has character concerns that DO have a possibility of turning that draft pick into a "bust" regardless of any physical ability of the player.

For some reason idiots keep making me post this over, but....

LOL at you insulting Burfict's Character. On field issues, yes, Character Concerns?????? no, and lol at u. My friend used to play at ASU and knew Burfict pretty well, and he rarely if ever smokes or drinks (i dont think he does at all, or at least he didn't when my firend told me, but its been a year since he was on the team, so i'm unsure) and is one of the best/nicest guys on the team. Very quiet, reserved kid who is very well manored and basically in his free time, he plays madden and ncaa in his room with his roomates...lol

Putting him in the class of Criminals and thugs like Pacman is actually offensive.

Hines
12-25-2011, 06:28 PM
For some reason idiots keep making me post this over, but....

LOL at you insulting Burfict's Character. On field issues, yes, Character Concerns?????? no, and lol at u. My friend used to play at ASU and knew Burfict pretty well, and he rarely if ever smokes or drinks (i dont think he does at all, or at least he didn't when my firend told me, but its been a year since he was on the team, so i'm unsure) and is one of the best/nicest guys on the team. Very quiet, reserved kid who is very well manored and basically in his free time, he plays madden and ncaa in his room with his roomates...lol

Putting him in the class of Criminals and thugs like Pacman is actually offensive.

Yeah, I've heard about that with Taze too. I know Jamal Miles and he's said he's a good dude.

I'd take Taze in the first because he's such a thumper that any 34 team needs. He needs to work on his aggressiveness after the whistle, but if he ever keeps his head, he's going to be a STUD in the NFL.

Brown Leader
12-25-2011, 06:32 PM
I think the last couple of games tell you how bad a relationship Dennis Erickson and Burfict had. Burfict checked out mentally and I think part of that also forced his weight to go up a bit. That situation at ASU must have been a mess, I mean Osweiler yesterday just made a decision on a 4th down play all by himself, sending the punt team off the field. The coaches just stood there. Burfict at the end of the year just looked disinterested and as if he didn't care. Now I think what will be really important for Burfict is how he comes across in the interviews. If he can convince some teams that he isn't a complete knucklehead, that he will work hard and listen to coaching. If that happens, then coaches at the end of the first round will fall in love with him and be so self confident thinking they will channel his energy. NFL coaches, especially the ones who have winning programs at the end of round one like the Steelers, Ravens, Packers or the Jets with Rex, are very confident in their ability to coach people up and deal with certain personalities.

This. (10ch)

JHL6719
02-27-2012, 06:30 PM
And anyone who drafts Hightower over Burfict is a ******* idiot.





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02-27-2012, 06:34 PM
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I don't care if Donta Hightower ran a 4.62, he's still going to get absolutely torched in coverage in the NFL. Put on some Alabama tape and tell me you trust that player to cover Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkowski. I don't care what his 40 time is, he still toast moving any way but forwards.

Burfict with a 10 cent head was as good a college player as Hightower. If he ever gets it on straight, he will be better. That's just a very big if. Bigger now that the combine has passed.

JHL6719
02-27-2012, 06:43 PM
I don't care if Donta Hightower ran a 4.62, he's still going to get absolutely torched in coverage in the NFL. Put on some Alabama tape and tell me you trust that player to cover Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkowski. I don't care what his 40 time is, he still toast moving any way but forwards.

Burfict with a 10 cent head was as good a college player as Hightower. If he ever gets it on straight, he will be better. That's just a very big if. Bigger now that the combine has passed.


There are no linebackers in the NFL that you want covering Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkowski. Go look at the tape of Patrick Willis trying to cover Jimmy Graham in the playoffs. I'd say Patrick Willis is pretty fast... and pretty good.

It's not just the 40 time. Hightower out ran him with 17 more pounds on him. Also had faster splits, higher vertical, and certainly would've oujumped him in the broad jump as well.

Not to mention the difference in football IQ and character.

Burfict doesn't make a pimple on Dont'a Hightower's a**.

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02-27-2012, 06:46 PM
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