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cmarq83
12-23-2011, 03:40 PM
So I've been loving all the scouting reports that guys like EE and AntoinCD have been doing, so I thought it would be a good idea to keep them all in one spot. This way whenever we do one we can post it here, and we can customize the reports to talk about where they'd fit with the Patriots. I'll constantly update the OP with a list and links to each prospect so we can find them quickly. So here it goes:

Offense

Quarterbacks:

Running Backs:

Wide Receivers:

Joe Adams

Justin Blackmon

Ryan Broyles

Michael Floyd

Stephen Hill

Alshon Jeffrey

Marvin McNutt

Rueben Randle

Tommy Streeter

Kendall Wright

Tight Ends:

Offensive Tackles:

Offensive Guards:

Kevin Zeitler

Centers:

Peter Konz:



Defense

Defensive Tackles:

Michael Brockers

Fletcher Cox

Dontari Poe\

Kendall Reyes

Devon Still

Brandon Thompson

Derek Wolfe

Defensive Ends/3-4 OLB:

Andre Branch

Melvin Ingram

Shea McClellin

Whitney Mercilus

Linebackers:

Dont'a Hightower

Luke Kuechly

Cornerbacks:

Brandon Boykin

Stephon Gilmore

Janoris Jenkins

Safeties:

Mark Barron

George Iloka


Robert Lester

Markelle Martin

Harrison Smith

Kenny Vaccaro

Specialists

cmarq83
12-23-2011, 03:44 PM
Harrison Smith, Safety, Notre Dame
6’2” 215, Projected 40 time: 4.55
Possible Draft Slot: 3rd-4th round

2011 Stats: 84 Tackles, 1 FF, 10 PD
2010 Stats: 96 Tackles, 7 Interceptions, 7 PD

Positives:
- Excellent Size and Speed combination
- Leadership+, basically held ND together in the middle of the season after Brian Kelly publically put down half the team.
- Excellent tackler who takes great angles to the football
- Adequate centerfielder, if he’s allowed to play the QB’s eyes he can break up a lot of passes
- Very instinctive
- Can match up physically with Tight Ends at the next level

Negatives:
- Hips are a little stiff
- Ball skills are less than satisfactory despite his 7 interceptions in 2010
- Had a brutal start to his career at ND
- Probably a better fit at SS than FS
- While he’s a good tackler, he’s not necessarily an enforcer in the secondary

Highlights:
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Analysis for Pats: Basically he’s a guy who is very similar to Chung in a lot of respects. He fits the workman-like, smart football player mold BB usually goes for with his players. He’s a guy who I could see as a 3rd safety on this team for a long time in a James Sanders type roll. He’s kind of a jack of all trades, master of none kind of guy. With Chung in a contract year, and a pitiful looking safety depth chart I could see BB going with him in the 3rd, and maybe selecting a higher upside safety or even a CB conversion guy along with him.

Razor
12-23-2011, 03:46 PM
Why not just link to the scouting reports in you original post? Easier to get an overview that way imo. But great idea to make this thread, this will come in handy. :)

Nalej
02-06-2012, 08:03 PM
With school fulltime and two kids... I've had little time to watch any tape on potential Patriots.

Not a demand but I'll leave a list of guys I'd like to see a scouting report on.
You guys have been doing a great job. Thanks!
You're the reason I don't feel completely out of the loop.
I figured getting consumed in the draft process would water down this current void I have in my soul.

B.Jones C
P.Konz C
M.Brewster C

M. Sanu WR
M.Floyd WR
K.Wright WR
J.Fuller WR
D.Posey WR
TJ Graham WR

C. FleenerTE

J.Jenkins CB
A.Dennard CB
B.Boykins CB
S.Gilmore CB
D.Kirkpatrick CB
C.Minnifield CB
L.Johnson CB

G.Iloka S
T.Robinson S

N.Perry OLB
C.Upshaw OLB
M.Ingram OLB
A.Branch OLB
V.Curry OLB
W.Mercilus OLB
C.Jones OLB
J.Massaquoi OLB

F.Cox DT/DE
M.Brockers DT/DE
J.Crick DT/DE
Q.Couples DE

BradysKnee
02-06-2012, 09:30 PM
I've just really started getting into tape now so I'll get bck on this.

Nalej
02-06-2012, 09:32 PM
I've just really started getting into tape now so I'll get bck on this.

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

May I ask where you get your resources?
Have you simply DVR'd an ass bunch of games or is there a sight... or?

BradysKnee
02-06-2012, 10:17 PM
Well youtube actually has alot of good resources now to get a first impression

I also use tenyardtracker.com to get some relevant NCAA games as I find it is SO much easier to rewind, forward etc with the pc than a DVR.

AntoinCD
02-07-2012, 12:42 PM
Michael Brockers:

Pros;

-Absolutely phenomenal size and athleticism
-Looks the prototypical 5 technique
-Huge length and arms and knows how to play with leverage
-Fantastic lower body strength and plays with real power
-Gives good effort on plays that are run away from him
-Can either stack and shed against offensive linemen or split double teams
-Huge upside and potential
-Could realistically add 5 or 10 pounds and keep his athleticism
-Plays with heavy hands

Cons;

-Very, very raw
-Pass rush technique is almost solely limited to bull rushing
-May only be a 5 technique at the next level
-Needs to work on consistency as he plays high when he gets tired
-Not a lot of tape to go on
-Gets by on natural athleticism
-Production does not come close to matching his physical skillset

Overall;

Brockers reminds me so much of a very raw Richard Seymour. Some of the big criticisms of Seymour coming out were he was too tall to play DT and not a good enough pass rusher to play DE. If Brockers had stayed in school he may have been a top 5 pick next year. As it stands he could go as high as 8 to Carolina but that would be a big risk. If he falls to the Pats I don't think it's an option to not take him. He would be a mega upgrade at 5 technique and has all world ability.

AntoinCD
02-09-2012, 01:40 PM
Devon Still

Pros;

-Excellent size for the position
-Room to add a few more pounds as well
-Has good hand use and can control offensive linemen
-Plays with a good base and can 2 gap
-Stays low and seldom loses the leverage battle
-Has a very good bull rush
-Plays with power in his legs
-Excellent first step which helps him get penetration

Cons;

-Motor is definitely not always on
-Only really has one year of impressive tape
-Not a great pass rusher. Bull rush is his main move
-Does not have much flexibility
-Is very good moving forward but will not make many plays moving laterally down the line
-May be better suited to play in an attacking front where he isn't asked to react to the play

Overall;

There is a lot to like about Still. He has great size, strength and a terrific first step. He uses his hands well to control blockers and keep them off his body and could be a good fit at 5 technique. However while he may be able to stack offensive linemen I don't see the ability to shed the blocks and make plays on the ball. He may simply be a guy who can be great at holding the point but not much of a playmaker. I wouldn't hate the pick but I'm not sure he is a massive upgrade over what we have at 5 technique at the moment. He may be a better player in a 2 gap 43 or as an under tackle.

AntoinCD
02-12-2012, 01:25 PM
Fletcher Cox

Pros;

-Terrific athlete
-Elite first step and explosion
-Too quick for many college interior offensive linemen
-Plays with good effort
-Will seldom get washed out of the play
-Very active with his hands and feet
-Won't stay blocked
-Tremendous versatility
-Able to get very good penetration

Cons;

-May be a bit small for some NFL schemes
-Probably won't be a 2 gap player in the NFL
-Lacks discipline at times and won't always stick to his gap
-Inconsistent at times
-Needs to play with more consistent leverage
-Sloppy technique and gets by on athleticism

Overall;

Cox will be an impact defensive lineman in the league and those guys are in big demand. His upside is only surpassed by Brockers as far as DT/DEs go. If he gets good coaching on technique he has the potential to be an all pro type player in either a 43 front or a 34. The issue when it comes to the Pats is he is probably too small and not disciplined enough. He would need to add a good 10lbs at least to play RE in Belichick's 34 and needs to be able to hold his ground against double blocks. Cox is more likely the type of guy who would beat attempt to split the blocks. I'm calling this guy to Dallas at 14 right now.

cmarq83
02-12-2012, 03:17 PM
Since AntoinCD is putting everybody to shame it's time for me to put another one up.

Here's one for Joe Adams.

5'11" 175lbs. 4.38 40 time

2011 54 rec. 652 yds. 3tds.
2010 50 rec. 813 yds. 6tds.
5 career PR TDs.

Positives:

-Speed to burn, a definite vertical threat.
-Decent length and leaping ability for a shorter receiver
-Ability to extend plays along the sidelines, has a great feel for the boundary
-Open field running threat
-Excellent return abilities
-Follows his blockers well

Negatives
-Very slight frame, could be injury prone
-Hands are ok, not great
-Route running is far from polished
-Can get jammed on the outside
-Not much of a blocker

Couldn't find any positive-negative vidoes, but here are some highlights (just turn off/lower the sound before you start):

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Analysis for the Patriots:

We've tried and failed with guys like this in the past (Bethel Johnson & Brandon Tate come to mind), but the truth is this team needs a return threat and a vertical receiver in the worst way. Adams has some high potential and has the upside to be a Wallace/D-Jack kind of threat on the outside. He flashed the ability at the Senior Bowl. Realistically the Pats need somebody who can make 2 20+ yard catches a game, and their already good offense would become so much better. They can't keep relying on 12 play 80 yard drives. Sometimes they just need a cheap big play score, and Adams could possibly be that guy with his speed and ability to create.

AntoinCD
02-13-2012, 10:22 AM
Since AntoinCD is putting everybody to shame it's time for me to put another one up.

Here's one for Joe Adams.

5'11" 175lbs. 4.38 40 time

2011 54 rec. 652 yds. 3tds.
2010 50 rec. 813 yds. 6tds.
5 career PR TDs.

Positives:

-Speed to burn, a definite vertical threat.
-Decent length and leaping ability for a shorter receiver
-Ability to extend plays along the sidelines, has a great feel for the boundary
-Open field running threat
-Excellent return abilities
-Follows his blockers well

Negatives
-Very slight frame, could be injury prone
-Hands are ok, not great
-Route running is far from polished
-Can get jammed on the outside
-Not much of a blocker

Couldn't find any positive-negative vidoes, but here are some highlights (just turn off/lower the sound before you start):

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Analysis for the Patriots:

We've tried and failed with guys like this in the past (Bethel Johnson & Brandon Tate come to mind), but the truth is this team needs a return threat and a vertical receiver in the worst way. Adams has some high potential and has the upside to be a Wallace/D-Jack kind of threat on the outside. He flashed the ability at the Senior Bowl. Realistically the Pats need somebody who can make 2 20+ yard catches a game, and their already good offense would become so much better. They can't keep relying on 12 play 80 yard drives. Sometimes they just need a cheap big play score, and Adams could possibly be that guy with his speed and ability to create.

Adams is an interesting fit for the Patriots. I personally think his best fit will come in the slot where he can fill a Victor Cruz type role. That's not normally the role our slot WRs play as they are used more in intermediate/short option routes. I wouldn't be opposed to tweaking the offensive system to suit him though. The Pats lack athletes at WR and any chance to get a guy with a physical skillset like Adams would be good. He would also offer a massive upgrade on special teams as you mentioned.

Overall he would maybe be my 6th or 7th realistic choice at WR at the moment when you take the draft and FA into account. I would prefer Floyd and Sanu in the draft and Meachem, Garcon, Lloyd and V-Jax in FA.

It may depend on Welker though. If they let him go then Adams would move up that list

AntoinCD
02-13-2012, 01:27 PM
Kendall Wright

Pros;

-Elite athlete
-Incredible explosion off the line
-Dynamic with the ball in his hands
-Eats up cushion in no time
-Catches the ball with his hands
-Can go up and get the ball
-Can catch the ball in traffic
-Tough player
-Can line up outside or in the slot
-Will be a threat on reverses
-Can make defenders miss in the open field

Cons;

-Below average size for a first round WR
-Not a crisp route runner
-Didn't really face press coverage in college
-Played in a simplified offensive system
-Some minor injury concerns

Overall;

Kendall Wright is one of two players I would be happy the Pats moved up significantly for. I like Michael Floyd a little better but I feel he may be off BB's radar. For me Kendall Wright would be an amazing fit for the Patriots. He reminds me of a cross between Mike Wallace, Desean Jackson and Santonio Holmes. I think he's a top ten pick in the draft

descendency
02-13-2012, 02:10 PM
Michael Floyd
WR, Notre Dame

Pros:
* Elite Body Control
* Elite ball skills
* Excellent route runner (full route tree)
* Prototypical size (6'3", 225lbs)
* Effective and willing blocker
* Pro style offense
* Soft hands that can catch a lot of bad balls (Notre Dame has been a hotbed for over-rated QBs)
* beats press-man consistently, strong hands to get off the LOS.
* Elite production in college
* Explosive
* Elite football IQ
* Plays well in traffic
* Can break tackles

Cons:
* Speed is only average or maybe just above average.
* Durability
* Off Field concerns
* Diva-ish
* Having him catch passes from Tom Brady may be illegal in a few states

If GMs have half a brain, they will make absolutely sure Michael Floyd is fully vetted before letting him fall out of the top 10. He has Larry Fitzgerald type talent, with maybe a little less speed. If the speed really is a concern, he's at least going to be one of the 2 or 3 best #2s in the NFL. If he fell to NE and they passed, I would literally cry.

Michael Floyd is a day 1 starter in the NFL and should earn a 7.5+ (BLESTO) grade by any competent scout.

AntoinCD
02-13-2012, 02:31 PM
Michael Floyd
WR, Notre Dame

Pros:
* Elite Body Control
* Elite ball skills
* Excellent route runner (full route tree)
* Prototypical size (6'3", 225lbs)
* Effective and willing blocker
* Pro style offense
* Soft hands that can catch a lot of bad balls (Notre Dame has been a hotbed for over-rated QBs)
* beats press-man consistently, strong hands to get off the LOS.
* Elite production in college
* Explosive
* Elite football IQ
* Plays well in traffic
* Can break tackles

Cons:
* Speed is only average or maybe just above average.
* Durability
* Off Field concerns
* Diva-ish
* Having him catch passes from Tom Brady may be illegal in a few states

If GMs have half a brain, they will make absolutely sure Michael Floyd is fully vetted before letting him fall out of the top 10. He has Larry Fitzgerald type talent, with maybe a little less speed. If the speed really is a concern, he's at least going to be one of the 2 or 3 best #2s in the NFL. If he fell to NE and they passed, I would literally cry.

Michael Floyd is a day 1 starter in the NFL and should earn a 7.5+ (BLESTO) grade by any competent scout.

Real nice scouting report. Floyd may come across as Diva-ish as you said but on the field he is a great effort player. I remember the Stanford game where I can't remember which QB was in, but he got picked off forcing the ball to Floyd, Floyd was originally blocked as the DB cut across the field and Floyd got off the block and made the tackle 40 or 50 yards down the field. I think he's a tremendous prospect and someone will get an absolute steal on draft day

cmarq83
02-13-2012, 06:40 PM
Here is one for Razor's favorite player Melvin Ingram.

6'2" 276lbs. 4.75* 40 time

2011: 48Tk, 13.5 TFL, 10 Sacks, 2 INT's
2010: 27 Tk, 9 Sacks

Positives:
-Very unique athlete, has a running back's fluidity at almost 280lbs.
- Excellent counter moves including club and spin
- Looks comfortable flipping his hips and transitioning in coverage
- Fast twitch athlete, and gets to full speed very quickly
- Good ball skills, and has the natural instincts to make plays
- Is extremely versatile OLB, DE, and Nickel DT are all positional options for him.
- Shows natural bend, and can play with proper leverage when rushing the passer
- Burst off the line is where it should be for a first round pass rusher

Negatives
-Shorter height and arms than you'd prefer for a a pass rusher
- He doesn't get pushed much, but he doesn't position his body well enough to disrupt running lanes on a consistent basis
- Bull rush isn't a big part of his game
- Is handled relatively easily when double teamed inside.
- Can play too fast at times and lose his balance
- True Position?
- Is very streaky as a player

Video
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Analysis for Patriots:

Very quickly, if he was drafted by the Patriots this would be BB's 2nd attempt at a guy with a similar skillset as Adalius Thomas. They're very similar athletes, and neither guy is/was a 15+ sack type guy, but they have unique skillsets that give you a ton of flexibility in game planning. Most of us have said that the Patriots need that X factor type guy, and Ingram could be it. Whether he's causing mismatches as a nickel DT, playing RE, or standing up Ingram has jack of all trades potential. Probably a guy to look at around pick 31 if better need/talent is off the board. Could very easily be BPA around our pick.

AntoinCD
02-13-2012, 07:26 PM
I don't know I'm kinda meh on Ingram. He made a lot of plays due to scheme and mismatches in college. I'm not sure he can play standing up in the Patriots defense. I think absolute best case scenario for Ingram is someone like Justin Tuck. He is the kind of guy I'd take in the second but will be over drafted. Plus his short arms worry me

descendency
02-14-2012, 11:15 PM
George Iloka
FS/CB/SS, Boise State

Pros:
* Size+ (222@6035)
* Wingspan (6095 wingspan... yeah, an extra 6 inch range)
* 4.5x Speed
* Played Special teams [four down player]
* Solid Tackler [Room to improve though]
* Can drop in the box and cover TE and WRs (including big ones)
* Physical press
* Great pad level
* Excellent coverage technique
* Plays the slot effectively
* Good football IQ + Instinctual (played the sticks numerous times on 3rd down)
* Played corner for a few games
* Excels in both man and zone coverage systems

Cons:
* Doesn't always take good angles (but is improving)
* Below average initial burst
* Not a big hitter, but doesn't shy from contact
* Not a captain [that matters to some teams, including NE]
* Not fluid at all. Boise State's system masks this well.
* May be more of an OLB than safety in the NFL.

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This is the kind of guy you want to keep away from teams in the AFC East. He has the ability to cover bigger and more physical receivers (like big TEs), while also having the ability to play center field.

Even though I listed him as a CB, I would be shocked to see him play CB at his size. He's definitely more of an emergency corner. Obviously a safety (which he played at Boise State)

He's going to be a high second round pick or a late first (as of the Senior Bowl). Overall, I think he's a starter for just about any AFC East team and would perfectly complement Pat Chung in the NE secondary.

He might challenge Mark Barron for first safety off the board.

BLESTO Grade: 7.0 (Post combine: 6.3)

edit: After seeing his performance at the Combine, I'm really wondering if he's not more of a LB than a safety. His frame could add more weight. He's stiff. He's not as fast as maybe expected.

I really think I over-estimated how well he hid behind Boise State's DL (basically not having to cover many deep passes). He's stiff like a linebacker.

Don Vito
02-15-2012, 12:23 AM
Iloka reminds me of Adrian Wilson. Converted corner with great cover ability who looks like a LB with room to develop even more. Would definitelt not be surprised or disappointed to see him in a Patriots uniform, could be the type of player our defense has been lacking.

Don Vito
02-15-2012, 12:25 AM
Floyd is another guy I would kill for the Pats to draft. Iloka is a guy I would like with our first second rounds and possibly 31, but the two guys I really like with the Saints pick are Floyd and Brockers who both will probably be gone.

AntoinCD
02-21-2012, 01:09 PM
Alshon Jeffrey

Pros;

-Tremendous Size for the position
-Big, strong hands
-Catches the ball away from his body
-Can make tough catches with DBs all over him
-Extremely physical player
-Uses his big frame well to shield defenders from the ball
-Huge catching radius
-Can break tackles to gain a few extra yards
-Red zone threat due to size
-Was extremely productive as a sophomore despite terrible QB play
-Not afraid to take big hits

Cons;

-Was out of shape all season
-Terrible route runner
-Lacks explosion in his hips to break his routes off properly
-Will not be able to run the full route tree effectively
-Can't separate from college DBs let alone NFL ones
-Love of the game is in question
-Long strider and takes a while to get to full speed
-Will get called for offensive pass interference a lot if he continues pushing off at the top of his route like he does
-Inconsistent
-Won't run away from anyone

Overall;

The preseason hype for Jeffrey was way overblown due to his terrific sophomore season. While he has Calvin Johnson size he does not have anywhere close to Calvin Johnson's athleticism. He will only be successful on jump ball situations and on the occassions he can beat a jam with a hard move to the inside. He can't run digs, he can't run outs and he can't run comebacks. Play making CBs will sit on every intermediate route he even thinks about running because it takes him so long to get out of his breaks. I would be pissed if the Pats even looked at this guy before the third round. He needs help with offensive concepts to get into space. He offers very little with the ball in his hands. He will literally be a jump ball WR in the NFL. He reminds me of a slightly shorter Ramses Barden

AntoinCD
02-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Justin Blackmon

Pros;

-Good bulk, should come in at about 210lbs
-Very good hands
-Plays faster with pads on than in shorts
-Great body control
-Unbelievably productive throughout his college career
-Explodes off the line and is tough to press
-Eats up cushion quickly
-Great with the ball in his hands
-Can get vertical
-Attacks the ball in the air

Cons;

-Height is only ok, probably only about 6'0
-Timed speed will be below average, and way below top ten standards
-Suffers from the odd drop
-Wasn't asked to run a full route tree
-Potential off field concerns, DUI last year
-Played in a simplified offensive system

Overall;

I really Justin Blackmon as a player but I don't see how he is one of the best prospects in this draft. I have both Kendall Wright and Michael Floyd above him as of now. Blackmon does most things very well but I don't see any elite qualities. I see a lot of Greg Jennings in Blackmon and a lot of Anquan Boldin due to his physicality. Both of these players are very good WRs but not necessarily elite, and significantly neither were first round picks. Blackmon probably needs to go to a west coast team were they can get him the ball quickly in space.

AntoinCD
02-21-2012, 01:56 PM
Stephon Gilmore

Pros;

-Great size for a CB at slightly over 6'0 and over 190lbs
-Extremely smart player, on and off the field
-Doesn't make mental errors
-Physical with WRs and gets a good jam at the line
-Can excel in either man or zone schemes
-Excellent run defender and fights off blocks
-Can blitz very well
-Very high character guy
-Offensive potential as WR, Wildcat QB
-Is a 4 down player

Cons;

-Isn't a burner by any means
-Hips are a little bit stiff and may struggle to turn and run with quick WRs
-Needs a lot of work on his technique
-Needs to work on the finer aspects of being a CB. Hand placement while jamming WRs, positioning himself to play the ball in the air etc
-Trusts his athelticism too much

Overall;

I am a big fan of Stephon Gilmore. His has the intelligence, versatility and work ethic that will endear him to BB. May be a tad slow for the Pats who have a tendancy to draft smaller, quicker CBs. If Gilmore can run in the 4.4s at the combine it may boost his stock into the first round. Having Gilmore would give the Pats three outside CBs with good to great size who all have the ability to play outside the hashes or move into safety which is hugely important if the Pats want to get back to playing big nickel coverages.

AntoinCD
02-22-2012, 12:52 PM
Brandon Thompson

Pros;

-Explosive first step
-Very strong player
-Elite run defender who won't get pushed backwards
-Very good motor
-Plays with good leverage and hand use
-Can push the pocket with a good bull rush
-Good bulk and quickness

Cons;

-Not as long as you would like-only 6'2
-Shortish arms
-Isn't a pass rushing threat at all
-Lacks versatility
-May only be a 2 down player in the NFL
-Probably can't play in either a 34 or a 2 gap system

Overall;

Brandon Thompson will be a nice player in the NFL and will definitely have a role to play. However that role should definitely not be with the Patriots and no team should look at him in the first round. He reminds me of Broderick Bunkley and may have a similar career. Fantastic run defender who gives nothing on 3rd down.

AntoinCD
02-22-2012, 01:11 PM
Dontari Poe

Pros;

-Mammoth size, probably about 340-350lbs
-Ridiculous explosion for someone that big
-Good length at 6'5 and he doesn't look obese like someone like Terrence Cody
-Versatility, can play 5 technique and nose tackle
-Pretty good in pursuit considering his size
-Can make plays moving laterally down the line
-Experience against double and triple team blocks
-Unlimited potential and upside
-Good tackler who actually wraps up ball carriers

Cons;

-Should dominate based on pure size but doesn't
-Is on the ground or washed out of plays way too much
-At times he can be single blocked
-Lacks the ability to anchor at NT
-Isn't a pass rusher
-Once he is blocked he stays blocked

Overall;

Dontari Poe will likely be a mid first round pick but it will have almost nothing to do with his play. He belongs with a select group of athletes who are a part of the Planet Theory. Only so many people can be that big and that athletic. On measurables Poe should be a top 5 pick but he doesn't play close to them. While he can play in a 34 and has experience in that scheme he may be limited to a Pat Williams type role in the NFL to be successful. Someone who can play the nose in a 43 with a penetrating 3 technique next to him and come off the field on passing downs. I am not impressed with Poe at all.

AntoinCD
02-22-2012, 01:25 PM
Whitney Mercilus

Pros;

-Has the length and bulk needed to play either DE or OLB
-Very good speed
-Explodes while turning the corner
-Excellent functional strength
-Can set the edge in the run game
-Varied pass rushing moves
-Technically he is a very good player
-Good hand usage
-Can set OTs up. Counters very well with his bull rush when they are expecting a speed move
-Extremely productive this year
-Forces lots of fumbles

Cons;

-Is a one year wonder
-Has 18.5 career sacks and 16.5 were last year
-He doesn't have much experience if any dropping into coverage
-Isn't a disciplined player when it comes to gap control
-Will over pursue at times
-To nitpick he could develop a few inside moves to add to his repertoire


Overall;

Mercilus is someone I am warming to for the Pats if he is still around. He isn't going to wow anyone with straight line speed but he is very technically sound and uses a variety of moves to beat his blocker. He may be a bit stiff to play on the weakside at OLB for the Pats but he would definitely be a big upgrade of Jermaine Cunningham at OLB. He needs to be able to alleviate concerns that he only pressed the gas for one year but he has the ability to be an impact OLB.

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 08:16 AM
Brandon Boykin

Pros;

-Tremendous athlete
-Probably has the most fluid hips in the draft
-Can play outside the hashes or cover the slot WR
-Pretty good tackler
-Offers elite specials teams value as a returner
-Elite change of direction skills
-Good ball skills
-Tracks the ball well
-Versatility
-Senior

Cons;

-Is a little shorter than preferrable-not by much much-5'9
-Isn't very phsycial at the line
-Probably only a zone corner in off coverage
-Not a great run defender
-Awareness isn't outstanding

Overall;

I like Brandon Boykin towards the end of the second round as a guy who can offer a lot as a four down player. The only thing that gets me is how much he reminds me of Darius Butler only he is better playing the ball. He could be a very good slot CB but I feel the Pats like Kyle Arrington in that role. I'm not sure I would be happy if the Pats drafted him despite his skills.

AntoinCD
02-24-2012, 08:21 AM
George Iloka
FS/CB/SS, Boise State

Pros:
* Size+ (222@6035)
* Wingspan (6095 wingspan... yeah, an extra 6 inch range)
* 4.4 Speed
* Played Special teams [four down player]
* Solid Tackler [Room to improve though]
* Can drop in the box and cover TE and WRs (including big ones)
* Physical press
* Great pad level
* Excellent coverage technique
* Very fluid (surprising at his size)
* Plays the slot as well as a corner
* Good football IQ + Instinctual (played the sticks numerous times on 3rd down)
* Played corner for a few games
* Excels in both man and zone coverage systems

Cons:
* Doesn't always take good angles (but is improving)
* Below average initial burst
* Not a big hitter, but doesn't shy from contact
* Not a captain [that matters to some teams, including NE]

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This is the kind of guy you want to keep away from teams in the AFC East. He has the ability to cover bigger and more physical receivers (like big TEs), while also having the ability to play center field.

Even though I listed him as a CB, I would be shocked to see him play CB at his size. He's definitely more of an emergency corner. Obviously a safety (which he played at Boise State)

He's going to be a high second round pick or a late first (as of the Senior Bowl). Overall, I think he's a starter for just about any AFC East team and would perfectly complement Pat Chung in the NE secondary.

He might challenge Mark Barron for first safety off the board.

BLESTO Grade: 7.0

I watched a bit of Iloka recently and the guy's a freak of nature. He has arms longer than some offensive linemen. I really like his fit in New England. He can cover TEs in man coverage and isn't lost in zone. I would like to see him react a little quicker but I definitely think that's teachable.

cmarq83
02-24-2012, 11:45 AM
Derek Wolfe

6'5" 286lbs, 5.1* 40 time

2011: 65 tackles, 9.5 sacks
2010: 48 tackles, 4 sacks

Positives:

-Fantastic Motor
-Plays with great leverage
-Can read plays and disrupt running lanes
-Can line up at end and contribute as a pass rusher
-Anchors very well for someone his size
-Adept at shooting gaps
-Solid bull rush
-Nice rip move and inside counter
-Fantastic collegiate production

Negatives:

-Lack of girth is an obvious issue
-Awareness is an issue at times
-Needs to get better at tripping up ball carriers
-Doesn't always play to his height
-Wish he had a developed spin move in his repertoire
-Probably not a 3 down player in BB's system

Video:
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Analysis for the Patriots:

He's a guy I like in round 3 for the Pats. He fits what they need in their defensive line rotation, and I see him as a replacement for Mike Wright. They've always had a pass rush DT in their rotation whether it was Green, Wright, or Hamiliton and it's certainly something they were lacking last year. I also see him playing RE in the 4-3 heavy look, and he's certainly a better fit there then Deaderick or Ellis.

It the Pats use him like the Bengals use Geno Atkins they'll get a lot of bang for their buck. If you can put aside the fact that he can't be Richard Seymour and do everything, you'll notice that there is a lot of things this guy does that others cannot. He's a guy that can put up 6 sacks a year which is production that a lot of teams don't get out of their DT's.

TNPatsFan
02-25-2012, 07:35 AM
Brandon Boykin

Pros;

-Tremendous athlete
-Probably has the most fluid hips in the draft
-Can play outside the hashes or cover the slot WR
-Pretty good tackler
-Offers elite specials teams value as a returner
-Elite change of direction skills
-Good ball skills
-Tracks the ball well
-Versatility
-Senior

Cons;

-Is a little shorter than preferrable-not by much much-5'9
-Isn't very phsycial at the line
-Probably only a zone corner in off coverage
-Not a great run defender
-Awareness isn't outstanding

Overall;

I like Brandon Boykin towards the end of the second round as a guy who can offer a lot as a four down player. The only thing that gets me is how much he reminds me of Darius Butler only he is better playing the ball. He could be a very good slot CB but I feel the Pats like Kyle Arrington in that role. I'm not sure I would be happy if the Pats drafted him despite his skills.


It's that time of year again so I'm back. Been reading this thread. Lots of good stuff here guys. Just thought I'd comment on Boykin.

First off, if I had my way the Pats would draft and sign about 8 DB's this year, and it's probably a good bet that they'll pick one safety and one CB. I also like Boykin a lot. I agree though that I don't really see him as an outside CB, more of a slot guy. He is a playmaker though. Would be a nice pick if they don't have to take him too high. The good news (if you can call it that) is that they can draft almost any DB this year and be confident that whomever they take will be better than what they already have on the roster in most cases.

AntoinCD
02-27-2012, 07:32 AM
It's that time of year again so I'm back. Been reading this thread. Lots of good stuff here guys. Just thought I'd comment on Boykin.

First off, if I had my way the Pats would draft and sign about 8 DB's this year, and it's probably a good bet that they'll pick one safety and one CB. I also like Boykin a lot. I agree though that I don't really see him as an outside CB, more of a slot guy. He is a playmaker though. Would be a nice pick if they don't have to take him too high. The good news (if you can call it that) is that they can draft almost any DB this year and be confident that whomever they take will be better than what they already have on the roster in most cases.

I actually don't hate our CB situation at the minute. Hopefully McCourty recovers from his down year (which IMO had a large part to do with the terrible safety play) and Dowling stays healthy. That should be the outside CBs for the next so many years. I actually think Arrington is a stud in the slot. He had help but he pretty much shut down Victor Cruz and is very physical and doesn't allow free releases. Sure adding talent is always a good thing but CB isn't as big a worry as a lot of people make it out to be. But let's be honest, Sterling Moore shouldn't be covering top WRs in big games like he did in the Superbowl, but he is not a bad 4th or 5th option at CB.

Safety? That's a different question altogether. I think we should look for two safeties relatively high. If Barron is there in the first he's a no brainer IMO. Then I would look at someone like Markelle Martin, George Iloka etc at the tend of the second/start of the third. Chung is pretty one dimensional and injury prone. Adding talent to push him should really improve the secondary.

Right now I'm starting to think the best draft may be

1 a. Barron
1 b. Konz
2 a. Vinny Curry/Cam Johnson/Andre Branch
2 b. Markelle Martin
3. Greg Childs/Chris Givens

AntoinCD
03-03-2012, 12:01 PM
Stephen Hill

Pros;

-Tall, rangy player
-Great explosion and long speed
-Gets deep in a hurry
-Can take the top of a defense and get behind the safeties
-Can make tough catches, both in coverage and over the shoulder grabs
-Fights for extra yards and isn't easily tackled
-Has arms and hands the size of some offensive linemen
-Huge catching radius
-Can high point the ball
-Makes spectacular catches
-Can run by defenders or outmuscle them
-Is a true outside WR
-Excellent run blocker
-Ridiculous yard per catch average this year of 29.3 yards
-Upside is phenomenal

Cons;

-Extremely raw and doesn't do the little things well
-The only routes he runs are 9 routes and comebacks
-Doesn't work the middle of the field
-Struggles at times with bad drops
-Very inconsistent
-Poor body control when the ball is in the air
-Solely depends on his physical gifts and maybe doesn't have a great football IQ
-Scored some long uncovered TDs inflating his stats
-Played in a gimmick offense

Overall;

Some team is going to gamble on Stephen Hill at the end of the first round. He will remind a lot of people of Deymarius Thomas (another tall, rangy WR from GT who only ran 9 routes) but is less polished but has better physical skills. No WR in the draft has the upside that Hill does. If he learns the game in a pro style offense he could be the closest thing since Randy Moss. My worry for Hill is he could be at best a guy who goes deep 9 or 10 times a game and gets thrown to maybe 3 times. He is exactly what the Patriots need in their offense and even the threat of him going deep would help. However his lack of polish puts me off in the first round. If he lastd to the top of the second I wouldn't be opposed to either trading up from the mid second, or trading down from the late first for him.

AntoinCD
03-08-2012, 01:43 PM
Janoris Jenkins

Pros:

-Silky smooth athlete
-Fluid when flipping his hips
-Breaks on the ball very well
-Willing tackler
-Reads screen plays early and flies to the ball
-Great route recognition
-Can play man or zone
-Isn't afraid to get up on the line and bump bigger WRs
-Has excelled against the best WR prospects in recent years
-Offers value as a return man
-Very aggressive and physical
-Good blitzer

Cons;

-Major headache off the field-kicked off UF team
-A little smaller than you would like
-Does not always locate the ball in the air
-At times too aggressive, will bite on play action and double moves
-Played against much inferior competition this year

Overall;

Purely on the field Janoris Jenkins is a tremendous prospect. He has flaws but from an on the field perspective he may be my top CB prospect. This guy isn't Asante Samuel as some make him out to be. He has way more to his game. He is physical and can play man coverage and disrupt bigger WRs at the line. His ball skills aren't close to Samuel's though. His issues off the field probably take him out of the first round though. Overall he needs the green light from former coach Urban Meyer to have a chance at coming to the Pats. If he gets that i would be excited to get him at the end of the first.

cmarq83
03-09-2012, 12:04 PM
Shea McClellin

2011 Stats: 50 Tkls, 7 Sacks, 2 Int's
2010 Stats: 30 Tkls, 9 Sacks, 1 Int

Combine

40 Time: 4.62 Bench: 19 Reps Vertical: 31.5″ Broad: 910 3 Cone: 7.07 Short Shuttle: 4.33


Positives:

-Relentless Motor
-Great Size and Athleticism
-Played DE, OLB, and ILB at Boise State
-Displayed Fluid hips at the Senior Bowl
-Solid Burst off the LOS
-Holds his ground in the run game
-Plays with good pad level when rushing the passer
-Solid Inside Rip Move
-Natural Blitzer and is good at disguising the route he'll take to the QB
-Makes more splash plays than what appears on the stat sheet

Negatives:

-Has some nice moves, but too often tries to just beat the tackle to the edge
-Has a hard time fighting across the face of blockers
-He's better at rushing from a 3 pt stance than a 2 pt
-Has yet to be a dominant rusher
-Still needs work in pass coverage
-Sometimes is a bit slow to react when in zone coverage at ILB

Video:
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Analysis for the Patriots:

To me he profiles similar to Brooks Reed. Both guys were high impact guys in college despite not putting up impressive stats. Additionally they both tested well, and had the versatility and fluidity to play 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE. He has the size and speed that BB looks for in his LB's, as well as the all around game. I think this is one of the more natural fits in the draft. He won't be a dominant JPP or A. Smith type guy, but the potential is there to be a 8-10 sack guy who has good all around game. His stock is on the rise so he'd probably either need to be picked in the first or at 48, but if we're going to transition back to the 3-4 he's one of the best guys to take.

cmarq83
03-09-2012, 12:20 PM
Ryan Broyles

5'10" 188 lbs.
2011 Stats: 83 Rec, 1157 Yd's, 10 TD's
2012 Stats: 131 Rec, 1622 Yd's, 15 TD's

Positives:

-Extremely Tough
-Great Hands
-Superb Quickness
-Shows elusiveness and creativity when running routes
-Strong RAC guy
-For a really small receiver he catches balls in traffic well
-Underrated Speed
-Good PR
-Decent Blocker for someone his size

Negatives:

-Size is undeniably an issue
-Can get knocked off routes by really physical guys
-Deep speed isn't breakaway type speed
-Sometimes is insecure with the football when he's running
-Coming off an ACL and Meniscus tear late in the season and might not be ready to go right away

Video:

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Analysis For Patriots

Unfortunately he is what the Patriots currently have at Wide Receiver except younger and a little faster. He's basically a cross between the good qualities of Deion Branch and Wes Welker. However, with WW and the Pats in a contract dispute with his longterm future up in the air Broyles would be great insurance. Rarely do you find a guy who would fit in so well in an offense with such a high floor available as late in the draft as he is going to be. The combination of tantalizing receiver prospects and his injury leaving him unable to work out is sliding him down the board further than he should. He would be a very nice pickup in the 3rd round and could be a guy who catches 80+ balls a year for close to a decade out of the slot.

cmarq83
03-09-2012, 12:44 PM
Well I figured somebody needs to get the ball rolling with the big uglies so here it goes:

Peter Konz:

6'15" 315 lbs, 33" arms, 18 Reps

Positives:

-Elite Size for the center position
-Comes from Wisconsin which has a great Oline lineage
-Heady player, reads blitzes well and can call them out and pick them up
-Mirrors effectively when 1-on-1
-Great at pulling
-Plays with good leverage
-Attacks the second level well
-Recovers well when knocked off balance
-Can counter quicker players inside with his good feet
-Good character guy

Negatives:

-Despite being the size he is, you don't see a ton of push out of him
-Is knocked off balance more than you'd like from a RD 1 center prospect
-Hand punch is pretty weak
-Has some ankle issues in his past

Video:

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Analysis for Patriots:

I was a big Konz guy before I started researching him for this scouting report. I expected him to be a bit more dominating in the run game than he was. However, that's not to say I don't think he's a first rounder, but there are certainly some guys in the past 5 or so years I had rated higher than him. He's a technician and superb athlete capable of matching up with almost anyone inside, and certainly represents an upgrade over guys like Koppen and Connolly. However, I came in hoping for a typical mauling Wisconsin guy like Carimi, Moffitt, or Thomas, and didn't quite get that vibe. Maybe it was just the video I watched. That being said I'd still be happy with him in the first.

TNPatsFan
03-11-2012, 08:26 AM
My opinion: Centers should never be drafted in the first round and the Pats have much more important things to address at the top of the draft (like defense for example). I will really be disappointed if they take Konz in round 1.

cmarq83
03-26-2012, 09:47 PM
Here is one of my few prospect crushes this draft.

Kevin Zeitler, OG Wisconsin
6'4" 314lbs.
40 time: 5.33, 32 Reps

Positives:
-Amazingly powerful run blocker
-Didn't allow a sack his last 3 seasons in college
-Apparently had some of the best interviews at the combine
-Violent hand punch
-Knows how to finish his blocks
-Plays with a good pad level
-Mirrors well in pass pro
-Once he gets his hands locked in the run game it's game over
-Double teams extremely well
-Traps very well

Negatives:
-Looks lost in space
-Not a great athlete
-Feet can be inconsistent
-Technique gets sloppy when he's attacking linebackers

Video:
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Here is some with pass pro, just watch for #70
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Analysis For Patriots:

I love the guy, and I think if we picked him in the first their would be huge potential for running lanes on the right side with Zeitler, Vollmer, and Gronk beasting. However, he's less athletic than most of the guys we typically go for, and running screens may be an issue. However, I think power on the right vs. athleticism on the left could be a good way to go. It's tough to think about going offense in the first, but this will be a need in a year from now, and who knows if there will be another prospect on Zeitler's level.

cmarq83
03-29-2012, 03:05 PM
Here is one for probably the most commonly mocked pick for the Pats:


Andre Branch DE, Clemson

6'4 259lbs. 4.7 40, 32" Vertical Jump

2011: 77 tackles, 10.5 sacks
2010: 54 tackles, 6 sacks

Positives:
-Outstanding size and arm length
-Lightning fast burst off the line
-Has experience rushing from a 2 pt. stance
-Uses his hands well to keep himself separated from blockers
-Can disengage and is a consistent tackler
-Shows tools and fluidity for pass coverage
-Plays until the whistle
-Gets stronger as the game goes along
-Can dip and get to a low pad level despite his height

Negatives:
-Virtually no creativity with pass rush moves
-Is incredibly streaky as a player
-A running back chipping neutralizes him instantly
-Too many examples of him getting single blocked by a TE
-Gets washed out on double teams
-Instincts are questionable and bites on a lot of fakes
-Clemson's History of DL


Video:

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Keep in mind those are pretty much the 2 best games of Branch's career



Analysis for Pats:

I'm really not all that crazy about Branch. In most drafts I'd have him as a late second type player, but the lack of quality DE/OLB prospects probably will push him into the first. His pass rushing skills are entirely dependent off of the speed rush, and I think he will eventually end up being a more rounded version of Aaron Maybin/Mark Anderson. I like Shea McClellin more because of his versatility, and he has a variety of moves in his pass rush repertoire. Although tools for pass rushers are important, I don't see enough of the other stuff from Branch to be confident that he'll succeed in our system.

descendency
04-01-2012, 03:06 AM
Branch's best game was against BC.

His worst game was against South Carolina, where he looked like he didn't even belong in the draft.

edit: I thought you posted GT and VT, which is why I mentioned BC.

cmarq83
04-06-2012, 03:12 PM
Kendall Reyes

6'4" 298lbs.

40 Time: 4.79 Bench: 36 Reps Vert: 34.5″ Broad: 9’5″ 3-Cone: 7.43
Arms: 33 1/4″ Hands: 9 1/2″

2011 stats: 46 tackles, 13.5 tfl, 4.5 sacks

Positives:
-Great Size/Athleticism
-Consistently pursues the ball
-Scheme Versatile
-Good jump off the ball
-Developmental tools as a pass rusher
-Can hold up against double teams
-Can move/stunt laterally

Negatives:
-Questionable instincts
-Faced very little good competition
-Not a lot of power to his game
-Needs to work on improving his hand fighting technique
-Plays too high
-Can't fight across his face
-Wasn't dominant in most of his games


Video:
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*Note* This was the only one I could find to post. This game is atypical of Reyes. Also, lol at the Sunseri comment at the beginning of the video.


Analysis for Pats:

A huge resounding meh. He's consistently being mocked to the Pats, but at this point he's mostly an upside guy. I don't like the lack of physicality in his game, but I don't think that his measurables and motor can be denied forever. I think that the Pats could find better guys to match what they're looking for, who are lesser risks. I think both Heyward and Wilkerson last year were better prospects, and the Pats passed on both in the first round. If they get to round 2 and McClellin and Smith are both gone then I'd be ok with going with Reyes there.

Don Vito
04-06-2012, 03:22 PM
Speaking of Sunseri...his brother at Bama, Vinny, will be a Patriot in a few years. He's a safety, ST ace, and his dad is a coach. Plus he is an absolute nut. 100% bet your house on it, he was only a freshman this year but he will be a Patriot.

Don Vito
04-06-2012, 03:24 PM
As for Reyes, I am warming to him a little but I am not a huge fan. He is an impressive specimen just every time I see him I feel like he is playing high and just looks like he is following the play. Doesn't look very mean either on the field. Can't deny his physical ability though.

cmarq83
04-06-2012, 03:35 PM
Dont'a Hightower

6'2" 265lbs, 32 5/8" arms
4.68 40 time, 32" vert

2011 stats: 85 tackles, 11 tfl, 4 sacks, 7 QB hurries, 1 INT

Positives:
-Huge Frame, LB in a DE's body
-Good athleticism
-Physical when taking on blockers
-Has a lot of experience playing DE
-Can set an edge
-Accomplished blitzer
-Good pass rush repertoire
-Can match up with TE's in zone coverage
-Good character player
-Powerful tackler


Negatives:
-Very little suddeness to his game
-Slow to diagnose and react
-Not an explosive or quick edge rusher
-ACL history
-Inconsistent tackler
-Production doesn't match his hype

Video:
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Analysis for Pats:
This is a guy who should be getting more attention for the Pats, and is somebody who could possibly be that WTF pick that we seemingly have every year. It would not surprise me one bit for BB to see Hightower as a guy who can play WLB in the 3-4 and SLB in the 4-3. If there is one advantage Hightower almost meets the size/athleticism/skillset requirements BB looks for in his OLB's, and has the Saban connection. He's never mocked to us because he's pretty universally mocked to the Steelers, but if they pass on him he could very easily end up in NE and play quite a bit.

Don Vito
04-06-2012, 03:40 PM
I could definitely see us picking Hightower. He isn't a perfect fit for our needs, but I think he would be a nice fit. Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower would be scary but I want to see more of Fletcher. Spikes is a good blitzer too and with out lack of pure pass rushers you could see us sending Hightower and/or Spikes in passing situations with Mayo and Fletcher dropping back. Hightower can get to the QB he just wasn't asked to do it all the time, he is one of those guys who is a good blitzer and can put his hand on the ground but isn't a complete pass rusher. Can do a little bit of everything.

cmarq83
04-06-2012, 04:01 PM
Not really a Pats prospect, but I figured I'd do one for him since I love him, and I've seen him the most of any prospect.

Luke Kuechly
6'3" 242lbs.
4.58 40, 38" vert., 27 reps

2011 Stats: 191 tackles, 12 tfl, 3 Int's, 3 pass Breakups, 2 Hurries
2010 Stats: 183 tackles, 10.5 tfl, 1.5 sacks, 3 Int's, 2 FF's,

Positives:
-Can play any LB position in 4-3 and ILB in 3-4
-Physical Specimen/Still room for growth
-Instincts are among the best ever to come out of college
-Fluid in pass coverage
-Closes on the ball carrier extremely quickly
-Navigates the scrum well
-Rangy
-Great tackling technique
-Great at reading QB's eyes
-Productive despite vanilla scheme
-Hardly is ever fooled
-Has every character intangible
-Made plays to close out games at least 3 times in his career
-Great ST'er despite being the star on his team

Negatives:

-Goes around blocks rather than through them
-Can get driven backwards when forced to square up
-Blitzing ability is a bit of an unknown
-Lack of splash plays
-What happens when you let him loose?
-Not an overly physical tackler

Video:
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Analysis for Pats:
Not really a realistic possibility, but if he were somehow to fall to us I don't see how we could pass him up. He's the best LB prospect since Willis and has only been a LBer for 3 years. He's every bit as good of a LB prospect as DeCastro is a guard prospect, or Richardson is a RB prospect. His physique and pass rushing skills can be developed, and his work ethic makes anything possible. A linebacking core of Mayo, Spikes, and Kuechly would be downright amazing.

cmarq83
04-06-2012, 04:03 PM
I could definitely see us picking Hightower. He isn't a perfect fit for our needs, but I think he would be a nice fit. Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower would be scary but I want to see more of Fletcher. Spikes is a good blitzer too and with out lack of pure pass rushers you could see us sending Hightower and/or Spikes in passing situations with Mayo and Fletcher dropping back. Hightower can get to the QB he just wasn't asked to do it all the time, he is one of those guys who is a good blitzer and can put his hand on the ground but isn't a complete pass rusher. Can do a little bit of everything.

That's definitely how I feel about him too. I think it'll be difficult for BB to ever get a great pass rusher who can fit his versatility requirements. He might need to start settling on guys like Hightower, and find more sub type guys (TBC, Anderson) to fill the void on 3rd down.

Blackluck
04-06-2012, 08:06 PM
That's definitely how I feel about him too. I think it'll be difficult for BB to ever get a great pass rusher who can fit his versatility requirements. He might need to start settling on guys like Hightower, and find more sub type guys (TBC, Anderson) to fill the void on 3rd down.

Read, impossible. Lombardi discussing 3/4 OLB's with Casserly recently: "Setting the edge, rushing the passer, able to play in space and cover receivers out of the backfield" - Casserly commented, "You mean Superman?"

However, I wonder if BB might be starting to think differently. We brought in Bruce Irvin for a visit; BB was at USF to scout a player there, Claude Davis. (see Reiss' blog), a speed/cover LB. If nothing else the 2nd round should prove pretty interesting ...

Edit: Just to be clear, not that Claude Davis is a 2nd round pick.

I also have a question: When trading for a future 1st, what is the future 1st worth? E.g., if Pat's trade 27 or 31, they get a 2 this year and a 1 next year? Or is that more dependent on where that 2nd round pick is, i.e. high middle low? Getting a 1 from say Jacksonville or Cleveland would be exciting, as that would probably translate to a Top 10 pick next year :drool:

Vaylor
04-07-2012, 04:36 AM
Read, impossible. Lombardi discussing 3/4 OLB's with Casserly recently: "Setting the edge, rushing the passer, able to play in space and cover receivers out of the backfield" - Casserly commented, "You mean Superman?"

However, I wonder if BB might be starting to think differently. We brought in Bruce Irvin for a visit; BB was at USF to scout a player there, Claude Davis. (see Reiss' blog), a speed/cover LB. If nothing else the 2nd round should prove pretty interesting ...

Edit: Just to be clear, not that Claude Davis is a 2nd round pick.

I also have a question: When trading for a future 1st, what is the future 1st worth? E.g., if Pat's trade 27 or 31, they get a 2 this year and a 1 next year? Or is that more dependent on where that 2nd round pick is, i.e. high middle low? Getting a 1 from say Jacksonville or Cleveland would be exciting, as that would probably translate to a Top 10 pick next year :drool:

This is the answer.