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yourfavestoner

03-27-2007, 11:13 AM

Mike Tomlin, as I think he'll do more his first year in Pittsburgh than Wisenhunt will do in Arizona. I think both are going to finish right around the 8-8 area, though.

Norv Turner- He inherited the best franchise by far out of all the rookie coaches

Norv Turner isn't a rookie head coach.

LarryJohnson27

03-27-2007, 11:13 AM

Out of the first time HC's I'd say Mike Tomlin or Ken Whisenhunt, but including all of them Norv Turner or Wade Phillips.

Splat

03-27-2007, 11:13 AM

I think he meant a coach that has never been a HC before?

bearsfan_51

03-27-2007, 11:26 AM

The best new HC and the coach with the best record are not the same thing.

Norv Turner and/or Wade Phillips will likely win at least 9 games. Does that make them the best new coach?

njx9

03-27-2007, 11:28 AM

heh, wade phillips and "best ... coach" in the same thought.

bigbluedefense

03-27-2007, 11:36 AM

heh, wade phillips and "best ... coach" in the same thought.

I can't wait until his "I am God" attitude rubs off the wrong way on the players. TO in year 2 + Unproven HC....stay tuned folks...

Splat

03-27-2007, 11:39 AM

heh, wade phillips and "best ... coach" in the same thought.

Not as funny as Norv Turner not that is funny.

PACKmack

03-27-2007, 11:40 AM

Mike Tomlin was handed a team that won the superbowl just over a year ago. I think he should win 10+ with that team he got handed.

bigbluedefense

03-27-2007, 11:58 AM

Impossible to say.

How do you define it?

Best record?

Most improvement?

Changing the structure of the team successfully?

Too broad of a question.

Im surprised Rob Ryan didn't get an offer from someone. He's a guy Im eyeing for the Giants if Coughlin gets fired next year.

Rob Ryan - HC
Pepper Johnson - DC
Defense: 3-4
Offense: 2 TE base, run biased philosophy (power run game)

Next Best Thing

03-27-2007, 12:06 PM

What I meant is 1st time head coach ex: Sean Payton. Can any of the new coaches spark a turnaround like Payton did with the Saints?

bigbluedefense

03-27-2007, 12:10 PM

What I meant is 1st time head coach ex: Sean Payton. Can any of the new coaches spark a turnaround like Payton did with the Saints?

I can see Whistenhunt doing that in Arizona. But I don't know how much of it will be Whistenhunt compared to the talent on the field, if you know what I mean. Arizona has talent, they just need to utilize it.

Jughead10

03-27-2007, 12:10 PM

bigbluedefense

03-27-2007, 12:12 PM

I'd rather win double digit games this year, than have to throw everything out the window and basically start from scratch.

We wouldnt have to throw everything out the window. All we need for the 3-4 is an NT, and a DE. For the 2 TE offense, we just need another blocking TE. It would more of a change in philosophy than a roster overhaul.

And I just don't think that TC is a guy we can win a SB with. His lack of adjustments and pass happy nature will be the death of us.

Flyboy

03-27-2007, 12:25 PM

Not as funny as Norv Turner not that is funny.

That's what I was thinking.

Shiver

03-27-2007, 12:25 PM

Bobby Petrino, duh.

.....

What was I supposed to say? Really?

njx9

03-27-2007, 12:35 PM

I can't wait until his "I am God" attitude rubs off the wrong way on the players. TO in year 2 + Unproven HC....stay tuned folks...

among other things.

his complete inability to draft should be interesting, although one would assume he won't be given the opportunity to do a lot of GMing (by "assume" i mean i don't believe anyone in the Cowboys organization is quite that stupid). his complete mediocrity on the sideline should also be an interesting addition to dallas.

i'd feel bad for cowboys fans... but, well... they're cowboys fans.

yourfavestoner

03-27-2007, 12:52 PM

among other things.

his complete inability to draft should be interesting, although one would assume he won't be given the opportunity to do a lot of GMing (by "assume" i mean i don't believe anyone in the Cowboys organization is quite that stupid). his complete mediocrity on the sideline should also be an interesting addition to dallas.

i'd feel bad for cowboys fans... but, well... they're cowboys fans.

BUT OMGZ HIS SCHEMS ARE SOOOO GODD!!!11 THINK OF ALL TEH PRESHURE AND BLITZING!!11

Shiver

03-27-2007, 12:55 PM

BUT OMGZ HIS SCHEMS ARE SOOOO GODD!!!11 THINK OF ALL TEH PRESHURE AND BLITZING!!11

IT WILL MAKE ROY WILLIAMS GREET AGAIN!!

eacantdraft

03-27-2007, 12:58 PM

Whistenhunt. Has the players and the experience to do the best.

Turner and Phillips are recycled, not rookies.

Petrino will find out why Michael Vick is the most overrated player in the NFL.

Kiffin is another Al Davis scraping the bottom of the barrel joke of a coach.

Tomlin is struggle with trying a whole new defensive system and trying to sell his program to disgruntled veterans who wanted the coaching job to stay in the Steelers family.

princefielder28

03-27-2007, 02:15 PM

Mike Tomlin, as I think he'll do more his first year in Pittsburgh than Wisenhunt will do in Arizona. I think both are going to finish right around the 8-8 area, though.

Norv Turner isn't a rookie head coach.

I like Tomlin and what he brings to the table and his Steelers will win one or two more games than the Cards but both teams will be very competitive

neko4

03-27-2007, 02:20 PM

Norval "Norv" Turner, will have the best season, but I think Cam Cameron or Mike Tolin should have the best turnaround. Wisenhunt could also take ARI to the playoffs in that weak division

TheChampIsHere

03-27-2007, 03:26 PM

Yeah you gotta like Turners odds of winning 12+ games this year, hes got so much talent to work with.

But im putting my money on KIFFIN!!!!

terribletowel39

03-27-2007, 03:34 PM

Whisenhunt could do wonders in Zona, simply because they play okay D and there only real problem is the O-Line and Whiz brought in one of the best in Grimm as the new O-Line Coach, so expect to see the line get better.

but i have to stay at the homer position and go with Tomlin. he isn't going to try and deploy too much of his defensive scheme and i actually think Arians will suprise some with the offense that will be run. and with LeBeau still at D-Coor, you can always expect a good defense. and plus as much as a i love cowher and miss him, he was basically just a motivational coach, Whiz and LeBeau did everything with x's and o's.

DChess

03-27-2007, 03:34 PM

whisenhunt, they got a great offense in place and i think they'll get a T in the second, theres some good depth at OL this year, plus gaines adams, i could see them making a run

Grizzlegom

03-27-2007, 03:50 PM

i think whisenhunt will end up being the best new coach because if tomlin even attempts to change the defense in any way, it will cause problems because they dont have the personnel for a 4-3.

i dont think miami will be too good this year, but i like cam cameron to turn that team around.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH

03-27-2007, 04:53 PM

I think Cam Cameron can get the Dolphins to a 10 win season, and Petrino get the Falcons to an 11-12 win season.

Smooth Criminal

03-27-2007, 05:04 PM

There are alot of rookie coaches walking into pretty good situations this year.
Petrino has Vick to work with and that is definately a good thing for a guy with an offensive mind like his.

Whis will have a ton of weapons with that offense and a new young QB in Leinart to groom for years to come. Plus he has Russ Grimm to help him out with the O-line.

Cam Cameron has a very solid defense and a questionable offense. The defensive weapons he has will really help him out this year.

Tomlin gets a great job knowing that he has incredible job security. He inherited a team with quite alot of talent and that just came off of a superbowl run a year ago.

I can see all 4 of these guys doing big things. I expect Whis to have the best first season though. That team has an incredible amount of raw talent and I really believe in him as a coach. I think all 4 guys will be successful to some extent but I really expect big things from Whis with a team that suits him well.

255979119

03-27-2007, 05:51 PM

What I meant is 1st time head coach ex: Sean Payton. Can any of the new coaches spark a turnaround like Payton did with the Saints?

Should have been Mangini.

Payton picked up an all pro QB in FA and already had a stud RB.

Mangini kept all of the same players essentially, but he totally re-did the system

terribletowel39

03-27-2007, 06:44 PM

Should have been Mangini.

Payton picked up an all pro QB in FA and already had a stud RB.

Mangini kept all of the same players essentially, but he totally re-did the system

they still weren't as good as there record would indicate. payton deserved the coach of th yr award.

KCJ58

03-27-2007, 06:52 PM

Cam Cameron WILL GET THE dOLPHINS INTO THE PLAYOFFS

TNewFan41

03-27-2007, 06:52 PM

Staubach12

03-27-2007, 07:52 PM

Wae phillips actually is a solid coach. He did go to the playoffs. He doesn't need that much knowledge on offense with our talent on O, plus Garrett who is a young creative mind. He will put our defense throught the roof, and NFC Favorites, although we already are. Miles better than Norv Turner, that is all I have to say.

Have you ever even stopped to think that Wade's new D might take a while for the players to catch on? AND BETTER THAN NORV TURNER?!?!?!?! Turner is in a much, much better situation in SD. He has the league MVP and a top-5 Defense, and we're better off then he is? Get you head out of your ass.

art vandelay

03-27-2007, 08:41 PM

I'll go with Tomlin, for sure. I really think he will establish himself as a top coach in the league within the next 5 years.

Stash

03-27-2007, 08:42 PM

LMAO!! You gotta love one Cowboy fan laying the smackdown on another.

jkpigskin

03-27-2007, 09:05 PM

wade phillips because he inherits the team with LT

Staubach12

03-27-2007, 09:08 PM

wade phillips because he inherits the team with LT

Wah?......

terribletowel39

03-27-2007, 09:12 PM

wade phillips because he inherits the team with LT

ya that was a classic brain toot.

throwback54milkman

03-27-2007, 09:48 PM

I think Mike Tomlin for sure, Pittsburgh always has the best coaches.

Last year it was Mangini though.

Shiver

03-27-2007, 10:24 PM

Norv Turner actually is a solid coach. He did go to the playoffs. He doesn't need that much knowledge on defense with our talent on D, plus Rivera who is a young creative defensive mind. He will put our offense throught the roof, and NFC Favorites, although we already are. Miles better than Wade Phillips, that is all I have to say.

I took the liberties to make some revisions. This is exactly what you would have posted, had the Cowboys hired Norv Turner, rather than Wade Phillips. You are a sheep.

njx9

03-28-2007, 12:24 AM

I took the liberties to make some revisions. This is exactly what you would have posted, had the Cowboys hired Norv Turner, rather than Wade Phillips. You are a sheep.

oo, oo, do dan reeves next!

LonghornsLegend

03-28-2007, 01:50 AM

Bobby Petrino, duh.

.....

What was I supposed to say? Really?

im surprised his name wasnt mentioned until just then...he has always had an explosive offense, and i think he's the man who can turn ATL's offense into what it really could be, and definately high powered....

and i dont think you can judge a HC or coach period based off previous stints...for instance i think wade will do great comingg from san diego, with a D just as athletic and just as young, it should be just as tough on the edges...

and also i think norv is gonna help rivers, and the entire offense, this could be the year LT hits 2,000 yds, hell he doesnt have to really do much....but i think if anything he makes their offense better then last year, and more spread open

Staubach12

03-28-2007, 06:42 AM

I think Mike Tomlin for sure, Pittsburgh always has the best coaches.

Last year it was Mangini though.

Hah. Last year, it was Sean Peyton by a mile.

toonsterwu

03-28-2007, 07:04 AM

I'll go with Tomlin on this one. I think he's got a nice core group returning that showed progress down the stretch. He's still go LeBeau running the 3-4 there, and for all the "veteran unhappiness", most of the guys will likely be onboard by the time the campaign starts. They've got some key concerns to deal with this offseason ... but it's not as if their losses have been great so far, and it's largely been in areas that likely would've received attention anyways. Assuming Santonio Holmes grows, the overall timing of the offense should be fine, although a big, tall downfield receiver would be nice. Defensively, CB depth is needed, and the pass rush must be addressed. Trench work could be used on either side.

I'm not sure this is a great team, but I think their needs can be met this offseason with shrewd moves, and I could see this team winning, as of now, maybe 8-10 games, which should have him near the top of all new coaches.