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HeavyLeggedWaistBender
01-02-2012, 02:46 PM
I don't know much about Dennard but as a selfish Bear fan, Jeffery just became, imo, a lock to make it to 19. Am I wrong?

Scott Wright
01-02-2012, 02:51 PM
Not a good day for Dennard.

I've been saying for a long time that Dennard is overrated and not as good as Amukamara. This game and matchup only reaffirming that opinion. More of a second round pick than a first rounder. Watch out for Dennard to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Round 2.

ElectricEye
01-02-2012, 03:06 PM
I still really like Dennard, but there's no question he's had a tough year...and that certainly didn't help him much. He was the the guiltier party in that little scuffle, not sure Alshon should have even been ejected.

JBCX
01-02-2012, 03:19 PM
Not a good day for Dennard.

I've been saying for a long time that Dennard is overrated and not as good as Amukamara. This game and matchup only reaffirming that opinion. More of a second round pick than a first rounder. Watch out for Dennard to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in Round 2.

Amukamara wasn't even that good as a prospect. Overrated, and it shows in the NFL.

Cigaro
01-02-2012, 03:22 PM
Alshon got the raw end of the stick. Likely the referee didn't fully see the altercation, or from a bad angle, because I think anyone who watches the replay can see Alshon did nothing worthy of being ejected.

As for his actual performance, although it hurts any hope I had that he'd slide to the Panthers in the second, I think this is the Alshon that NFL teams will get. I think the quarterback issues at SC got overlooked this season in critics of Alshon, while too much attention has been payed to the fact that he doesn't have the same cut as Terrell Owens, despite the fact he's always been like that, including when he was dominating last season.

There's never be any complaints of work ethic or laziness while at South Carolina, he's shown he has good game speed for a receiver of his size, and his size/jumping/catching ability is obvious.

A Perfect Score
01-02-2012, 03:25 PM
Alshon got the raw end of the stick. Likely the referee didn't fully see the altercation, or from a bad angle, because I think anyone who watches the replay can see Alshon did nothing worthy of being ejected.

As for his actual performance, although it hurts any hope I had that he'd slide to the Panthers in the second, I think this is the Alshon that NFL teams will get. I think the quarterback issues at SC got overlooked this season in critics of Alshon, while too much attention has been payed to the fact that he doesn't have the same cut as Terrell Owens, despite the fact he's always been like that, including when he was dominating last season.

There's never be any complaints of work ethic or laziness while at South Carolina, he's shown he has good game speed for a receiver of his size, and his size/jumping/catching ability is obvious.

I've been a huge supporter of Alshon this season, I think he's still a Top 20 prospect in this draft. Today just confirms that for me. He's a beast, plain and simple.

FUNBUNCHER
01-02-2012, 03:31 PM
I don't think Alshon gives you much more than a big body who can run 9 routes all day long.

He's not fast enough to do that in the NFL and beat corners at the next level.
Even when Jeffery caught that long pass, he was run down by the Dennard for a tackle.

Jeffery I guess has a role in the NFL, but I think he's going to be exposed at the combine as not being much of an athlete.

He's not AJ Green/Julio Jones.

Cigaro
01-02-2012, 03:39 PM
I don't think Alshon gives you much more than a big body who can run 9 routes all day long.

He's not fast enough to do that in the NFL and beat corners at the next level.
Even when Jeffery caught that long pass, he was run down by the Dennard for a tackle.

Jeffery I guess has a role in the NFL, but I think he's going to be exposed at the combine as not being much of an athlete.

He's not AJ Green/Julio Jones.

Dennard may have caught him, but Dennard was easily beaten by Jeffery those first twenty or so yards. That kind of acceleration definitely helps make him for the lack of top end speed.

Alshon Jeffery won't ever be an elite, clean-cut route runner, but he still knows how to position himself and use his body and athleticism to make the catch.

ChiFan24
01-02-2012, 03:55 PM
Amukamara wasn't even that good as a prospect. Overrated, and it shows in the NFL.

You are such a ******* tool....

bigbuc
01-02-2012, 04:04 PM
If Jeffery does not eat his way out of being a WR than maybe he'll be good in the NFL.

jrdrylie
01-02-2012, 04:11 PM
I don't know much about Dennard but as a selfish Bear fan, Jeffery just became, imo, a lock to make it to 19. Am I wrong?

I hope you are wrong. Jeffrey just screams bust to me. His conditioning issues really scare me. I don't want him anywhere near the Bears.

Cigaro
01-02-2012, 04:16 PM
I hope you are wrong. Jeffrey just screams bust to me. His conditioning issues really scare me. I don't want him anywhere near the Bears.

Perhaps you can specify what your concerns with conditioning are? He's no less athletic than he was, and he hasn't had a problem with being winded in games either. Is it just simply that he's thicker around the waste, as he's always been?

keylime_5
01-02-2012, 04:40 PM
Jeffrey's had a lousy year and was out of shape most of the season.....and he has no quickness off the line, gonna be Mike Williams/Dwayne Jarrett in terms of NFL production I'm afraid.

TACKLE
01-02-2012, 04:58 PM
Jeffrey's had a lousy year and was out of shape most of the season.....and he has no quickness off the line, gonna be Mike Williams/Dwayne Jarrett in terms of NFL production I'm afraid.

Alshon's production drop has way more to do with brutal QB play than it does about perceived conditioning issues.

keylime_5
01-02-2012, 05:03 PM
Last year the Gamecocks would just throw it up for grabs to Alshon every time. Teams figured out how to take that away this year and that's why Garcia was so terrible this year. No doubt though that Jeffrey wasn't getting open downfield as consistently as he was last year, which is why he had huge numbers his first two years and was lousy this year.

ElectricEye
01-02-2012, 05:05 PM
Yeah, I think people are glossing over that as well. The conditioning issues with Jeffrey are scary, but on the field the guy can still dominate this level of competition...and as Cigaro mentioned, the belly is nothing new. It's just a matter of if he translates to being the same guy at the next level. I think there's some valid questions about that. We've seen similar guys flame out before, so I would be a little nervous about that...but I'm still cautiously optimistic about his future as an NFL receiver. His combine performance will go a long way to determining how optimistic I am.

A Perfect Score
01-02-2012, 05:11 PM
I'd love if the Ravens took Alshon in the first. Absolutely love it.

BeerBaron
01-02-2012, 05:19 PM
I can't say I'd be upset with Jeffrey to the Bears in the first. I think most of the issues with him are overblown, and he definitely didn't deserve to be ejected today.

Babylon
01-02-2012, 05:28 PM
My main problem with Dennard is he pretty much mugs his man all the way down the field. I think that might be trouble for him with NFL rules being what they are these days.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
01-03-2012, 10:31 AM
Not to say I think Alshons the **** I just think he could be great for a QB like Cutler that you don't need perfect routes for since he's not afraid to throw it up for his guy. I think he'd be a real nice pick for us in that regard, that Jay needs someone he can trust to use their athletic ability to come down with it.

And while I like Floyd better, I don't think Alshon's the worst receiver this year.

phlysac
01-03-2012, 06:08 PM
http://www.frumpzilla.com/image_gallery/Alshon-Jeffrey-Is-Fat.jpg

holt_bruce81
01-03-2012, 06:47 PM
That photo is shown in every Alshon thread lol

Is there anyway he slips to the 2nd round? Do you think Kendall Wright has or will pass him on peoples boards?

Scott Wright
01-03-2012, 06:49 PM
Just posted this on Twitter too, but Dennard reminds me of Kareem Jackson.

And that isn't necessarily a bad thing because I was a fan of Jackson coming out of Bama.

I just mean that both rely too heavily on being physical.

TACKLE
01-03-2012, 07:09 PM
I think most would agree that Dennard runs will run about a 4.50...

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For all those who think Alshon can't run, that's some natural separation right there. No moves, no shakes yet he gets a few yards separation on a straight nine route. If he doesn't keep looking back and just keeps running hard, he probably scores. I'm as curious about his forty as anybody but I do think he may surprise some people. People saw the picture before the season and saw the production drop and made some assumptions but he's still a highly talented football player and a very good athlete.

BaLLiN
01-03-2012, 07:25 PM
Amukamara wasn't even that good as a prospect. Overrated, and it shows in the NFL.

I genuinely dislike you. All thats showing right now is a rookie who had no offseason, an injury, didn't get the playbook until after the lockout and started his preseason/minicamp during the middle/backend of the regular season. He has had plays with perfect coverage in man where he is more comfortable as of now, and an example is against the Jets when he covered Plax before he pushed off by fully extending his arm (which was called back because of obvious offensive pass interference) otherwise it would've been a pick. Also against Green Bay when he was called for a PI against greg jennings which was a bad call. He's had very good plays and very bad plays where he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing...PROBABLY BECAUSE HE REALLY DOESNT.

Prince most likely doesn't know his assignments well, and if he doesn't know his assignments well enough he can't react as well as he should. Cornerback is the hardest position to transition to from college to NFL. You can change an offense for a QB, simplify it so that they can thrive (ex: Cam, Dalton, Tebow) but you can't always do the same for a cornerback. As far as reaction, a cornerback can't go 100% unless they know exactly what they are supposed to do, if they don't do their assignment right, then it can be worse than them being timid and playing reserved (like Prince played versus the Redskins). He needs to find his groove, learn the defense, and get some experience.

My god, some of your posts and threads are good and inspire talk that make sense, but these comments about JPP and Prince specifically bother me because you say you've seen all of their plays (JPP) and declare a player overrated without reasoning.

Cigaro
01-03-2012, 07:26 PM
That photo is shown in every Alshon thread lol

Is there anyway he slips to the 2nd round? Do you think Kendall Wright has or will pass him on peoples boards?

Despite his bowl game, if the conditioning issues turn out to be true, and he shows up and tests at the Combine as flabby and slow, probably. While I'm not expecting a spectacular combine showing by Alshon, I don't expect him to do too poorly either. I think he'll test as you think a wide receiver of his size will test.

Complex
01-03-2012, 07:46 PM
If I was the rams I would trade the 2nd to some team in the top 8 maybe 10. Get a couple of draft picks and select DeCastro and use a 2nd on Jeffery if he falls.

phlysac
01-03-2012, 07:52 PM
Being the one who posted the pic, I'll say this...

I really like Jeffery. I don't think his conditioning is a big issue. Unfortunately, it shows, at least in some ways, a lesser degree of dedication to the "little things" that separates many of the good NFL players from the great NFL players.

Raiderz4Life
01-03-2012, 08:01 PM
I genuinely dislike you. All thats showing right now is a rookie who had no offseason, an injury, didn't get the playbook until after the lockout and started his preseason/minicamp during the middle/backend of the regular season. He has had plays with perfect coverage in man where he is more comfortable as of now, and an example is against the Jets when he covered Plax before he pushed off by fully extending his arm (which was called back because of obvious offensive pass interference) otherwise it would've been a pick. Also against Green Bay when he was called for a PI against greg jennings which was a bad call. He's had very good plays and very bad plays where he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing...PROBABLY BECAUSE HE REALLY DOESNT.

Prince most likely doesn't know his assignments well, and if he doesn't know his assignments well enough he can't react as well as he should. Cornerback is the hardest position to transition to from college to NFL. You can change an offense for a QB, simplify it so that they can thrive (ex: Cam, Dalton, Tebow) but you can't always do the same for a cornerback. As far as reaction, a cornerback can't go 100% unless they know exactly what they are supposed to do, if they don't do their assignment right, then it can be worse than them being timid and playing reserved (like Prince played versus the Redskins). He needs to find his groove, learn the defense, and get some experience.

My god, some of your posts and threads are good and inspire talk that make sense, but these comments about JPP and Prince specifically bother me because you say you've seen all of their plays (JPP) and declare a player overrated without reasoning.
You know he's only saying that cuz they play for NYG.

Also, Idk I'm a little on the fence about Jeffrey. I think he can be real good...or just crash and burn. I hope he beasts but my goodness....can you look any more out of shape(in the pic) lol

keylime_5
01-04-2012, 01:32 AM
Alshon's forty time is one thing. He's not a burner, but maybe he gets in shape and runs a respectable time for his size. He is not a quick guy. He moves like a tight end and is basically the size of one. Not gonna play tight end at the next level, not fast enough to get off of the line against defensive backs in the NFL. He can go up and get the ball as well as anyone, could be a great redzone threat at the very least. I think those issues could definitely warrant red flags and cause him to drop like a rock - especially since he didn't put up the Madden type numbers he put up in 2009 and 2010.

TACKLE
01-04-2012, 01:36 AM
Alshon's forty time is one thing. He's not a burner, but maybe he gets in shape and runs a respectable time for his size. He is not a quick guy. He moves like a tight end and is basically the size of one. Not gonna play tight end at the next level, not fast enough to get off of the line against defensive backs in the NFL. He can go up and get the ball as well as anyone, could be a great redzone threat at the very least. I think those issues could definitely warrant red flags and cause him to drop like a rock - especially since he didn't put up the Madden type numbers he put up in 2009 and 2010.

I don't see how his short area quickness is any worse than Floyd's.