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CDCB14
01-04-2012, 09:59 PM
I know this is the NFL thread and i'm talking about a college game, but looking at WVU vs. Clemson right now just makes me wonder if football is ruined forever. Even in the NFL, with offenses like the Saints, Packers, Patriots, etc. it begs the question as to is there even a point in playing if every game is going to be 45-41, or even higher?

With the rule changes in today's game accompanied with the increasing athleticism of players at a ridiculous rate (and obviously athletic advancements help the offensive because they are dictating play and the defense must react) is there even a point of playing defense?

I enjoy the occasional shootout, but almost every game combining to score over 70 points is starting to get old and ruins the integrity of football in my opinion. Not only this, but it makes comebacks or even worse a game winning drive in football so much easier. It's so easy to just run a spread when the opposing defense plays a prevent and go right down the field. It's sickening.

Thoughts on this? I really hope the NFL does something about this before it becomes the NBA...

PoopSandwich
01-04-2012, 10:16 PM
The Steelers, Patriots, Ravens, Bucs, Giants all won Super bowls in the 2000's with teams that relied heavily on how good their defenses were.

The Ravens got carried by their defense and run game to the #2 seed as did the 49ers.

On top of that, who cares if more points are scored, it's still football.

FUNBUNCHER
01-04-2012, 10:21 PM
The game will evolve. Again.
I expect to see smaller, quicker three point edge pass rushers who absolutely sell out to get to the QB and totally abandon their run responsibilities, and teams stockpiling taller corners even if it means forcing talented WRs to switch positions.

To take the legs out of these point-a-minute offenses, you need near elite defensive talent in the secondary and guys who can dominate the LOS off the edge and up the middle.

As surreal as WVU looks tonight, Alabama and LSU have the defensive personnel to lock them up.

Clemson IMO ran into the perfect storm tonight. It's rare that a team turns nearly every mistake by an opponent into a TD.

Defenses need to get smaller and quicker to handle these spread offensive attacks.

killxswitch
01-04-2012, 10:30 PM
The game will evolve. Again.
I expect to see smaller, quicker three point edge pass rushers who absolutely sell out to get to the QB and totally abandon their run responsibilities, and teams stockpiling taller corners even if it means forcing talented WRs to switch positions.

To take the legs out of these point-a-minute offenses, you need near elite defensive talent in the secondary and guys who can dominate the LOS off the edge and up the middle.

As surreal as WVU looks tonight, Alabama and LSU have the defensive personnel to lock them up.

Clemson IMO ran into the perfect storm tonight. It's rare that a team turns nearly every mistake by an opponent into a TD.

Defenses need to get smaller and quicker to handle these spread offensive attacks.

Except for the guys that are supposed to cover the 6'6 passcatching TE's running 4.5 second 40s and jumping over everybody in the endzone.

PackerLegend
01-04-2012, 10:33 PM
Ummmmm no. And the chiefs and broncos game was 7-3 didn't you get what you wanted?

Its not all because of rule changes either. A lot of defenses are just not good. Packers for example.. we get no pass rush at all and usually just leave guys wide open.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-04-2012, 10:35 PM
Don't take anything involving Clemson, in any sport, seriously

Basileus777
01-04-2012, 10:37 PM
The NFL is really going to miss Bill Polian's vision and expertise when it comes to the evolution of the game. I'm not sure there is anyone ready to take up his mantle and protect the future of the NFL.

ElectricEye
01-04-2012, 10:45 PM
It's woefully imbalanced right now for sure. It's not exactly headed towards getting better either. It doesn't "ruin" football for me, but it certainly isn't good for the game in my opinion.

TACKLE
01-04-2012, 10:50 PM
I don't see the league doing anything to help defenses and I don't see them not becoming more strict on player safety so........yes. :(

killxswitch
01-04-2012, 10:52 PM
I'm no big fan of grind-it-out football myself. A game here and there is fine but a league full of 13-9 puntfests would be so boring. There needs to be a balance. I think the early 00's had it about right. Hopefully it will rubberband back in the right direction soon.

ElectricEye
01-04-2012, 11:01 PM
I think that's all anyone is asking for. No one is asking for old time football. The game has evolved since then and for the better....but the degree of difficulty for offenses is at an all time low right now and it kind of cheapens it. Part of that has to do with the evolution made on that side of the ball in the past 10 years, part of that has to do with rule changes, some of it is coaches stacking their best athletes on offense in response to some of those things, ect. An even playing field and just all around better defensive football would be nice.

DraftSavant
01-04-2012, 11:03 PM
All I know if that SF is a hella interesting litmus test this year for this question.

PoopSandwich
01-04-2012, 11:04 PM
I think that's all anyone is asking for. No one is asking for old time football. The game has evolved since then and for the better....but the degree of difficulty for offenses is at an all time low right now and it kind of cheapens it. Part of that has to do with the evolution made on that side of the ball in the past 10 years, part of that has to do with rule changes, some of it is coaches stacking their best athletes on offense in response to some of those things, ect. An even playing field and just all around better defensive football would be nice.

The biggest changes they could make would be making pass interference 10 yards and a first down and defensive holding just 5 yards.

Pass Interference that is completely blatant should be a spot foul, however... Although I don't know if they want to go back to that judgmental call thing that they had with facemasks.

Saints-Tigers
01-04-2012, 11:06 PM
I doubt next year that anyone throws for 5000 yards. I wouldn't take this year as the "norm"

BeerBaron
01-04-2012, 11:09 PM
Yeah, DPI needs to stay a spot foul.

But I think the illegal contact rule shouldn't be an automatic first down. 5 yards like an offsides and a free play.

There isn't much we're going to do other than accept it. With Bill Polian out for now, the pendulum will at least slow down in swinging towards the "offensive" side of things. Don't know that it will even fully swing back, but I'll settle for it at least stopping.

Also, lockout. Defenses were worst early in the year for the most part. Most solidified towards the end of the season with a few obvious exceptions.

But yeah. Bummer.

Jvig43
01-04-2012, 11:45 PM
I doubt next year that anyone throws for 5000 yards. I wouldn't take this year as the "norm"

3 QBs threw for over 5000 this year but none will do it next year? After looking at the Pats 2012 schedule, if Brady stays healthy there is a very good chance for him to put up another ridiculous season like this year. /end Homer input

Ghost of Juice
01-04-2012, 11:59 PM
Early 00's had it perfect but they have really messed it up now. Guys are getting penalized basically for being bigger and stronger than the people they hit. I don't know if they can fix it but I hope so. Three quarterbacks throwing 5000 yards in one season is absolutely ********.

ellsy82
01-05-2012, 12:02 AM
Thoughts on this? I really hope the NFL does something about this before it becomes the NBA...

I feel, the structured salary cap that's universally abides all pro football teams, prevents it from being like the NBA or MLB. Where the salaries are so ridiculous its nearly impossible to put a competitive team together if you're a smaller venue team.

However, Roger Goodsey is doing the best he can to increase revenue at the sake of ANY of the game's traditions. His passing rule changes have made it nearly impossible to cover a receiver and the VERY same hits he suspends and fines players for, he sells on NFL.com the very next day. Its ludicrous and completely hypocritical.

However, I'm a Steelers fan. I'm biased.

bantx
01-05-2012, 12:05 AM
Ummmmm no. And the chiefs and broncos game was 7-3 didn't you get what you wanted?

Its not all because of rule changes either. A lot of defenses are just not good. Packers for example.. we get no pass rush at all and usually just leave guys wide open.

It's possible that both offense are pretty ****** lol

scottyboy
01-05-2012, 12:20 AM
don't you remember the defensive LSU butt ******* WVU mercilessly early in the year? How about the Ravens, 49ers, Steelers and Broncos who all made the playoffs with extremely strong defenses (ok, maybe the broncs made it on divine intervention and a **** division, but their D is the reason they were in that place to do so)

let's just see how the playoffs play out

PoopSandwich
01-05-2012, 12:44 AM
don't you remember the defensive LSU butt ******* WVU mercilessly early in the year? How about the Ravens, 49ers, Steelers and Broncos who all made the playoffs with extremely strong defenses (ok, maybe the broncs made it on divine intervention and a **** division, but their D is the reason they were in that place to do so)

let's just see how the playoffs play out

Not to mention what I pointed out, it just so happens that two offensive power houses won it in the past two years and everyone forgets about all the amazing defenses from the past decade.

Bengalsrocket
01-05-2012, 12:44 AM
don't you remember the defensive LSU butt ******* WVU mercilessly early in the year? How about the Ravens, 49ers, Steelers and Broncos who all made the playoffs with extremely strong defenses (ok, maybe the broncs made it on divine intervention and a **** division, but their D is the reason they were in that place to do so)

let's just see how the playoffs play out

Bengals too, basically. It's definitely not that offense that got us in the play offs this year lol.

stephenson86
01-05-2012, 05:50 AM
Swings and roundabouts, eventually defenses will stop the spread nicely and teams will resort to power running again. The NFL is all about trends and the spread is hot right now.

J-Mike88
01-05-2012, 05:54 AM
Football is great, the game is in good shape.
It's more popular now than ever, both here in the USA and abroad.

The only negative in the game itself is the violent nature which, as Colt McCoy, Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Darren McFadden, Jamaal Charles, Mikel Leshoure, Javid Best, Sam Bradford, Peyton Manning, etc. can all attest to.

The rule-makers try and make rules to cut down on some of these injuries, and they get ripped on for some reason.

Last I checked, most people preferred high-scoring games than the ugly types of FG games and incomplete passes and 1-yard runs.

Who's complaining about the state of football?
It's healthy as ever and growing.

WCH
01-05-2012, 06:03 AM
While there is undeniably some inflation, recent rule changes get too much credit/blame for the passing explosion that we've seen over the past five years. This isn't really anything new.

The latest generation of NFL coaches have simply mastered what a few people were trying to do 20 years ago, by taking existing (complex) NFL-level offenses and adding spread elements. The Houston Oilers were running a much simpler spread and posting similar results way before the latest round of rule changes.

http://pfref.com/pi/share/hsIGw
http://pfref.com/pi/share/ypNJO

The liberalization of the passing rules took place in 1978, and the potential for huge passing seasons has existed ever since. This is just a weird time in NFL history because multiple teams are running spread formations and have the QB talent to pull it off.

Seamus2602
01-05-2012, 06:06 AM
Of the last 11 Superbowl champions 8 of them were in the top 6 teams in terms of scoring defence. Of the 3 teams that weren't (the Indianapolis Colts, the New York Giants and the New Orleans Saints) all three had major contributions by their defence. The Colts for example played much better defensively in the Superbowl run, averaging only 239 yards per game in the playoffs (a stat that would have given them the #1 ranked defence in the regular season) and 16 points per game (a stat that would have given them the #4 ranked scoring defence in the regular season). For the Giants it wasn't Eli Manning and Plaxico Burress who really beat the Patriots. It was more Justin Tuck raping Tom Brady every single play, while the Saints defence wasn't statistically good it was very opportunistic, forcing a huge number of turnovers. So even the teams that one with statistically bad defences actually played good defence to win the Superbowl.

StickSkills
01-05-2012, 07:58 AM
don't you remember the defensive LSU butt ******* WVU mercilessly early in the year? How about the Ravens, 49ers, Steelers and Broncos who all made the playoffs with extremely strong defenses (ok, maybe the broncs made it on divine intervention and a **** division, but their D is the reason they were in that place to do so)

let's just see how the playoffs play out

Didn't WVU still put up like 500 yards of offense?

jrdrylie
01-05-2012, 08:37 AM
But I think the illegal contact rule shouldn't be an automatic first down. 5 yards like an offsides and a free play.



Screw that. Illegal contact shouldn't be illegal. Defensive backs should be able to push , bump, tickle, massage, **** the receiver's sister, and anything else that isn't holding as long as the ball isn't thrown yet. If a receiver can't continue to run his route because a defensive back slaps his ass 7 yards down field, he needs to get his ass off the field.

JBCX
01-05-2012, 08:42 AM
Screw that. Illegal contact shouldn't be illegal. Defensive backs should be able to push , bump, tickle, massage, **** the receiver's sister, and anything else that isn't holding as long as the ball isn't thrown yet. If a receiver can't continue to run his route because a defensive back slaps his ass 7 yards down field, he needs to get his ass off the field.

But if that's the case, then teams can just throw any 6th round CB on to the field and play the awful Cover-2 scheme.

With more restrictive press-coverage rules, teams actually have to invest in physically talented CB prospects who can run precise routes alongside the WR and play the ball in the air and predict where the QB will throw the football.

I like the rules because it favors teams that invest in talented game-changing CBs (like Asante Samuel) early in the draft.

FUNBUNCHER
01-05-2012, 08:44 AM
Didn't WVU still put up like 500 yards of offense?


LSU won that game with defense by forcing turnovers and scoring on specials.
I wouldn't say LSU's defense really shut down WVU.

scottyboy
01-05-2012, 08:55 AM
Bengals too, basically. It's definitely not that offense that got us in the play offs this year lol.

you have Brian Leonard. Your team was carried into the playoffs on his majestic, broad, muscular shoulders

scottyboy
01-05-2012, 08:57 AM
Didn't WVU still put up like 500 yards of offense?

which they did with forcing turnovers...and their defense.
A defensive powerhouse with an average at best offense put up huge numbers...because of their defense and special teams. That's what I'm getting at. The great defenses and special teams are the ones that usually come out on top. Look at the BCS title game for crying out loud.

Look at the Giants D in 2007 that shut down that juggernaut of an offense, and that team wasn't even that talented. (Reggie Torbor and Geoffery Pope saw significant action, think about that)

ElectricEye
01-05-2012, 10:25 AM
I think people are confusing the viability of good defensive football with the prevalence of it. The former isn't the issue. We've seen recent examples that good defense works. I don't think anyone would really argue otherwise.

TimmG6376
01-05-2012, 10:40 AM
Not to mention what I pointed out, it just so happens that two offensive power houses won it in the past two years and everyone forgets about all the amazing defenses from the past decade.

Also, not to mention that one of those offensive powerhouses that won the Superbowl was also ranked 5th in total defense. Just because this years version of the Packers defense is despicable people seem to forget that last year they were pretty damn good.

BuddyCHRIST
01-05-2012, 10:49 AM
There was an article on ESPN one time about how the offensive revolution is football is highly overrated. Scoring has remained steady for the past 40 years. There is more passing yards sure, but QBs are better than ever and WR's are bigger and more athletic than ever. Calvin Johnson, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson are absolute freaks. Also the position of RB is just so hard with the size and speed of the game. Its very rare for a guy to be able to be a workhorse back for multiple seasons. Its alot easier to have QB and WR's together for years than a RB. High turnover at the position and splitting carries has alot to do with the less use of running games.

SuperPacker
01-05-2012, 05:44 PM
The NFL has changed because its what people want. I remember watching the LSU vs Alabama game and after going on this forum, people were saying "what a let down", "worst game of the year", "what a bore fest".

Face it, the game has changed because we have changed.

ElectricEye
01-05-2012, 05:48 PM
The NFL has changed because its what people want. I remember watching the LSU vs Alabama game and after going on this forum, people were saying "what a let down", "worst game of the year", "what a bore fest".

Face it, the game has changed because we have changed.

People who said things like that are the real let down.

gpngc
01-05-2012, 05:52 PM
While there is undeniably some inflation, recent rule changes get too much credit/blame for the passing explosion that we've seen over the past five years. This isn't really anything new.

The latest generation of NFL coaches have simply mastered what a few people were trying to do 20 years ago, by taking existing (complex) NFL-level offenses and adding spread elements. The Houston Oilers were running a much simpler spread and posting similar results way before the latest round of rule changes.

http://pfref.com/pi/share/hsIGw
http://pfref.com/pi/share/ypNJO

The liberalization of the passing rules took place in 1978, and the potential for huge passing seasons has existed ever since. This is just a weird time in NFL history because multiple teams are running spread formations and have the QB talent to pull it off.

This is what I believe as well.

The players/coaches have gotten better and the nature of the sport is such that the more advanced/bigger/faster/more athletic the players/strategies get, the better for the offense. This is because of the simple fact that the offense knows what it's doing and the defense is reacting. They'll always be a step behind. Hence the phrase, "there's no defense for a perfect pass/play." Today, we're seeing a lot more perfect passes/plays. And sure the rule changes help to some extent, but I think blaming the rules is way overblown.

If you've every played DB, you'd know that it is one of the most difficult positions to play in any sport.

descendency
01-05-2012, 06:42 PM
You're over-reacting. College football doesn't even have Bill Pollian. They just suck on defense.

Bucs_Rule
01-05-2012, 07:16 PM
You're over-reacting. College football doesn't even have Bill Pollian. They just suck on defense.

Not the SEC.

Bengals78
01-05-2012, 07:19 PM
you have Brian Leonard. Your team was carried into the playoffs on his majestic, broad, muscular shoulders

And I have his autograph :)

descendency
01-05-2012, 07:25 PM
Not the SEC.

The schools that are typical powerhouses just had a bad year (and USC was banished). I think it's fairly obvious that a game like Clemson vs WVU has zero potential to be good football. (The ACC in BCS games is 2-13... seriously and the Little East can only beat the ACC, really)

Everyone knows there are 10-15 teams worth watching yearly and some or most of those teams had down years. It was coincidence that the NFL had an uptick in scoring (which really wasn't an uptick this year, but for the past 3 years).

I heard someone say something interesting that everyone will probably laugh at, but it was basically "Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning have ruined the NFL more than the rules have. With how good they are, most teams have to take more risks passing the ball. To keep up with offenses like that, playbooks have basically become passer friendly system that encourage risk taking."

Maybe that's wrong or nuts, but it certainly is possible.

Iamcanadian
01-05-2012, 07:39 PM
Swings and roundabouts, eventually defenses will stop the spread nicely and teams will resort to power running again. The NFL is all about trends and the spread is hot right now.

I agree, the NFL has always had pendulum swings based on new ideas and new systems designed to handle what most teams have swung to. However, I think the defense will struggle a bit no matter what. Safety issues have necessitated certain changes to the rules which make it more difficult for the defense to play tough and no sensible person wants a swing back against these rules.

Offenses are far more powerful today for a number of reasons a lot of people fall to realize.

Artificial surfaces have taken mud out of the playing equation and made offenses more sustainable both in college and the NFL.

College QB's coming into the NFL rarely require the development time that was required in the past, they throw the ball 3, 4 and even 5 times as much in college as they used to and QB's come into the NFL far more ready than previously was possible.

This has also aided the larger and smaller WR's, to get far more exposure to catching the ball, better preparing them for the next level also.

RB's and TE's also gained a huge amount of experience in catching the ball, something they had to learn from the beginning when they used to enter the NFL.

College OLmen used to come into the NFL with almost no experience in pass protecting because very few top programs throw the ball a whole lot back even 10 years ago. Most came from run first offenses in college and had to learn pass blocking almost from scratch.

All these factors have aided the strong development of passing attacks in the NFL and that isn't going to change no matter the rules or new defensive systems.

J-Mike88
01-05-2012, 08:37 PM
I find very little wrong with the NFL game today, aside from the fact that too many of the great and good RB's get injured, and the fact that no DB's know how to tackle anymore.

They just dive into players knees, legs, or they launch into receivers wherever they hit, head, chest, whatever.

Aside from the guys getting their ACLs & MCLs ripped in half, and their legs snapped, I love the NFL game as-is. Not understanding what the complaining is all about.

Ratings are better than ever, esp compared to other sports.

Viddy Franks 'n Beans
01-05-2012, 11:26 PM
The game has changed, but the players are the same.

CDCB14
01-05-2012, 11:41 PM
I find very little wrong with the NFL game today, aside from the fact that too many of the great and good RB's get injured, and the fact that no DB's know how to tackle anymore.

They just dive into players knees, legs, or they launch into receivers wherever they hit, head, chest, whatever.

Aside from the guys getting their ACLs & MCLs ripped in half, and their legs snapped, I love the NFL game as-is. Not understanding what the complaining is all about.

Ratings are better than ever, esp compared to other sports.

This is coming from a Packers fan, where Aaron Rodgers can take a nap and play chess in the pocket before effortlessly flicking the ball to any of his 342346134 weapons.

I still love football of course, but I think the integrity of the game has dropped a decent amount. Who cares if the ratings are up? Obviously they are going to be when every game is a shoot out. That's what the casual fan wants to see. That doesn't mean it's better football by any means.

I just think it's way to hard to stop an offense with the current rules and it is quite unfair to defenses. The worst part is that the better and better athletes get, the better offense will get because it's that much harder to stop such elite athletes in space and there really is nothing a defense can do about it.

BigBanger
01-05-2012, 11:57 PM
I doubt next year that anyone throws for 5000 yards. I wouldn't take this year as the "norm"
I don't know about that. 3 guys did it this year. 3!!!! And two guys didn't break the passing record that stood for nearly 30 years, they both obliterated it.

If Rodgers played the final game he would have had 5,000 yards too. That would have made for 5 guys over 4,900 yards. 5.

In 2005 there were 2 QBs who threw for over 4,000 yards. No one cracked 4,200 yards. The game has changed quite a lot in the last handful of years.

Dallas357
01-06-2012, 07:55 PM
any reason to play the games? nope. fads over, pack it up

J-Mike88
01-06-2012, 08:21 PM
How important is the running game these days? The running backs?

LaDanian Tomlinson during the early-mid 00's, Adrian Peterson from 2007-now, with Ray Rice, Steven Jackson, MJD being among the other best of the past 4 or so years, and Arian Foster the past 2 years.

Zero Super Bowl appearences for any of them. Tomlinson set records too.. didn't get them to any Bowl.

QBs are the key these days, as a result, so are pass rushers. Not cover guys (not you Nnamdi, Champ, or Revis). Pass rushers. They are the ones who distrupt, intimidate, hit QBs. Well if you're Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware, you're screwed because you have no cover guys.

From Lynn Dickey to Dan Fouts to Dan Marino to Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, and Brady too, I love me some aerial circus.

JHL6719
01-06-2012, 09:47 PM
Exactly one QB ever threw for 5,000 yards in the first 70-80 years of professional football.

We had 3 do it this year, and would've had 4 accomplish this had Rodgers played in the final game as someone already mentioned.

Yeah, there's something wrong with that.


Receivers aren't afraid to go over the middle anymore. The NFL has made it where defenders practically have to LET receivers catch the football, then politely run up to them...tap them on the shoulder and ask for permission to take them to the ground in as harmless a fashion as possible.

It's all "fantasy football" related. The NFL wants stats, stats, and more stats for their precious quarterbacks.... whom you better not even think about giving a stern look to....

It's a joke.

OzTitan
01-06-2012, 10:02 PM
How important is the running game these days? The running backs?

LaDanian Tomlinson during the early-mid 00's, Adrian Peterson from 2007-now, with Ray Rice, Steven Jackson, MJD being among the other best of the past 4 or so years, and Arian Foster the past 2 years.

Zero Super Bowl appearences for any of them. Tomlinson set records too.. didn't get them to any Bowl.

QBs are the key these days, as a result, so are pass rushers. Not cover guys (not you Nnamdi, Champ, or Revis). Pass rushers. They are the ones who distrupt, intimidate, hit QBs. Well if you're Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware, you're screwed because you have no cover guys.

From Lynn Dickey to Dan Fouts to Dan Marino to Manning, Brees, and Rodgers, and Brady too, I love me some aerial circus.

Chris Johnson was pretty instrumental in the 2008 Titans season and had started to provide a massive edge for the Titans against the Ravens in the playoffs but then got hurt.

I think it can be done - a championship team built on a running game - but the risk of injury to a key piece who is being hit 20+ times a game, and the fact I think a running game is more prone to not showing up some games means it just isn't the best path to a ring these days, and hasn't been for a while. Once you make that call, then your resources go towards passing, and making the other team's passing game harder to execute, hence why a lot of top teams don't put much in the way of cap $ and high end DP's into the running game.

Iamcanadian
01-09-2012, 11:38 AM
There is no doubt that the effect of all the rule changes caught up with the game this season and all the passing records from here on it will never be able to be compared to past records or performances. To compare this year's QB's to Marino's record is a joke and I'm not a big Marino fan, but fair is fair. They should all be asterisked but then again all the modern record holders should be asterisked because of all the past changes in the game.
My guess is that they are going to have to do something to even out the game between offense and defense otherwise the 80-85% completion average is not too far off in the future.
As much as I hate it, they may have to bring back the bump and run defense further than 5 yards down the field in order to somewhat control passing attacks before it becomes just too ridiculous.

robert pancake gallery
01-09-2012, 12:53 PM
They should all be asterisked but then again all the modern record holders should be asterisked because of all the past changes in the game.

Agreed. They should start putting footnotes next to each statistic, and providing at least three paragraphs of explanation for why that particular stat was recorded, and give context relative to that season and games that the player played in where favorable conditions were present which may include (but are not limited to):

global climate change (it's not fair that aaron rodgers played in more warm games compared to QBs who had to suffer through more games with snow this season)

boneheaded defensive plays (plays where a defender blew coverage shouldn't water down the accomplishments of Dan Fouts 1981 season when defenders were playing for more than just a paycheck)

fantasy football point whoring (we can no longer deny the impact that fantasy football has had on the games being played on the field; let's face it, there is a lot of money to be won and lost in fantasy football, and we all understand that ultimately the NFL is a for-profit organization. Look, I'm not trying to say anything slanderous about Ron Rivera, or any other coach for that matter, but a rookie coach is hired in, and all of the sudden their rookie quarterback runs for 14 touchdowns and is almost assuredly going to get the call every time they are inside the 5 yard line... would you really be shocked to find out that after every game where Newton runs in from the goal line, Rivera magically ends up seen perusing town in a brand new Mercedes? I sure wouldn't.)

coordinator creativity pie imbalance (think about student performance on certain placement examinations such as the SAT and ACT; if there is a situation where students are performing really well in one section such as math, and really poorly on english/reading, one potential remedy is to improve the quality of english/reading education at the expense of current math education. what we have in the nfl is a creativity pie divided into three slices for offense, defense, and special teams; the offensive slice comprises the vast majority of the pie, when we should be creating a pie that more or less has an equal distribution between offense and defense.

http://i.imgur.com/t0L6S.png

illustrated above, just ten years ago this pie was much more even, and the players of that era should not be subject to ridicule just because they had a smaller slice of pie to work with.)

possibly more cupcakes (the packers and other teams had to play a few cupcakes this season, when in the past many players who have recorded statistic had to more consistently play against a higher level of competition; would rodgers have been as lucky if he faced the same opponents that Ken Anderson faced in 1982 when he was busy setting the NFL passing completion % record?)

there are some more considerations that would be interesting to address with footnotes and asterisks in future records, but these were just a few i thought needed to be mentioned.

DraftSavant
01-09-2012, 01:10 PM
RPG is my favorite poster.

robert pancake gallery
01-10-2012, 03:54 PM
last night's national championship gave me new hope that football is indeed not ruined for good; there is still hope that we can continue to watch games full of field goals, punts and no entertainment value.

J-Mike88
01-10-2012, 04:26 PM
Great pie-chart usage RPG.

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Saints-Tigers
01-10-2012, 05:21 PM
I feel like this is similar to that NBA season after a host of rule changes, where scoring went through the roof for star players. (Like four guys were at 30+ PPG, Kobe was averaging 35+, scored 81, etc). Eventually defenses adjusted, and while it's still easier than it was pre-rule change, it's not as bad as it was at first.

DeathbyStat
01-11-2012, 02:34 PM
Yes.....its clearly ruined...

Can't hit QBs or receivers any more....

MidwestJimmy
01-11-2012, 03:39 PM
I hate the fact that the NFL thinks ratings will drop if not all games are high scoring. It's just not true. And even if people in general want more scoring, they don't want it from phantom pass interference and personal foul calls against defenses. The fans who like high scores want the offenses to earn it.

If 48-45 type of scores become the norm in the NFL, I feel sorry for whoever runs the Arena Football League. It would go out of business due to a lack of necessity; the NFL would become the AFL.

PackerLegend
01-11-2012, 03:49 PM
last night's national championship gave me new hope that football is indeed not ruined for good; there is still hope that we can continue to watch games full of field goals, punts and no entertainment value.

So true, game was pretty boring.

FUNBUNCHER
01-15-2012, 11:25 PM
Once the Patriots are defeated by the Ravens....!

Prolific offenses in the NFL are overrated.

Nalej
01-15-2012, 11:26 PM
That's a big IF there, buddy

Basileus777
01-15-2012, 11:32 PM
Eh, all these playoffs have shown is that you can't win playoff games when you turn the ball over a ton. It's not like we've had a bunch of low scoring games. The Saints turning the ball over 5 times and losing 36-32 in a shoot-out doesn't exactly prove the OP wrong. And 2 of the 4 remaining teams both rely on their QBs and passing games to carry their offenses.

StickSkills
01-15-2012, 11:49 PM
Eh, all these playoffs have shown is that you can't win playoff games when you turn the ball over a ton. It's not like we've had a bunch of low scoring games. The Saints turning the ball over 5 times and losing 36-32 in a shoot-out doesn't exactly prove the OP wrong. And 2 of the 4 remaining teams both rely on their QBs and passing games to carry their offenses.

Ravens, Giants, and 49ers all rely on a QB to carry their offense?

Basileus777
01-15-2012, 11:50 PM
Ravens, Giants, and 49ers all rely on a QB to carry their offense?

The Patriots and Giants do. That's 2 out of 4.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-15-2012, 11:50 PM
Ravens, Giants, and 49ers all rely on a QB to carry their offense?

Giants do.

FUNBUNCHER
01-15-2012, 11:53 PM
Relying on your QB isn't the same as needing him to pass for 400+ yards and 4 TDs to win a game.

The Giants need Eli to be good on game day, not break passing records.

StickSkills
01-15-2012, 11:54 PM
Relying on your QB isn't the same as needing him to pass for 400+ yards and 4 TDs to win a game.

The Giants need Eli to be good on game day, not break passing records.

But I wouldn't say that he carries their offense.

Basileus777
01-15-2012, 11:55 PM
The Giants were top 6 in passing attempts and yards and were last in the league in rushing. They don't play like the Saints and go spread all the time (though even the Saints ran the ball more than the Giants this year), but that offense goes where Eli and the passing attack take it.

Mr. Goosemahn
01-15-2012, 11:59 PM
But I wouldn't say that he carries their offense.

Then who carries it? It's certainly not Brandon Jacobs, and between Bradshaw and Manning, Manning is far more important and crucial than Bradshaw, IMO.

wogitalia
01-16-2012, 12:52 AM
Eli absolutely carries that offense, but the defense dictates where the team will go, when it shows up they are a better than average chance to win on any given Sunday, when it doesn't it becomes a real coin flip or worse.

It's basically the Patriots vs the rest as far as styles go though, they are the team with no defense and all offense, other teams are all based on their defense.

scottyboy
01-16-2012, 12:54 AM
anyone who doesn't think Eli carried this offense this year is absolutely insane and incorrect