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the_dark_knight
01-05-2012, 07:23 AM
Thinking of Day 2 and 3 guys here, not talking about first round. I wanna see some of who the favorites are around here.

Going into the season I liked Chase Minnefield, but I didn't get to watch Virginia play this year really at all. In fact I didn't get to watch much college football period. That's sort of why I'm making this.

What about Safeties this year, is there an instant impact Free Safety out there? I think the Falcons are set with William Moore on one side, but Decoud has really regressed massively from a couple of years ago. He's too interested in dancin after a play.

Thanks for any input.

Matthew Jones
01-05-2012, 07:31 AM
Cornerbacks:

Brandon Boykin, Georgia
Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma
Casey Hayward, Vanderbilt
Leonard Johnson, Iowa St.
Trumaine Johnson, Montana
Coryell Judie, Texas A&M

rawdawg
01-05-2012, 07:48 AM
2nd-3rd round:

Casey Hayward, Vandy
Leonard Johnson, Iowa St
Coryell Judie, Texas A&M
Shaun Prater, Iowa

4th-6th round:

Omar Bolden, Arizona St. Torn his ACL in spring practice and didn't play this year, but 1st round potential
Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma
Dwight Bentley, LA Lafayette
Asa Jackson, Cal Poly

JBCX
01-05-2012, 08:01 AM
The FS From Arkansas is pretty good.

the_dark_knight
01-05-2012, 12:44 PM
Can someone tell me a little more about Omar Bolden, and Casey Hayward. I see Casey on both of your lists there, and that's interesting to me.

Also Trumaine Johnson, I know Atlanta has ties with Montana drafting 2 Montana players in the last 3 years, so I'd like to know some more about him. Did you actually watch him play, or is he just someone who's getting some buzz as a hidden gem?

Razor
01-05-2012, 12:46 PM
Brandon Boykin is a favorite of mine, so is Leonard Johnson to a lesser degree. Jayron Hosley also has the potential to be a stud in a zone defense like NE or similar.

Leon Sandcastle
01-05-2012, 12:56 PM
Mike Harris Florida State

Hurricanes25
01-05-2012, 12:57 PM
Leonard Johnson from Iowa State is very underrated. He had a great game covering Blackmon this year.

princefielder28
01-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Can someone tell me a little more about Omar Bolden, and Casey Hayward. I see Casey on both of your lists there, and that's interesting to me.



Hayward is a player who projects to be a great fit in a zone scheme...he's fundamentally sound, instinctive, plays the ball very well, and is willing to mix it up and tally up the tackles

add Winston Guy as a DB that i am a huge fan of

DBNYDP
01-05-2012, 01:31 PM
Brandon Boykins is a stud. Playmaker, great ball skills, and seems to be a fairly good tackler. Definitely is going to be a solid 2nd round pick.

If Bacarri Rambo comes out I'd consider him the #1 safety over Mark Barron but I feel like he might the #2 S according to many if comes out and wouldn't be a super top guy.

ericzedwards
01-05-2012, 01:37 PM
Can someone tell me a little more about ... Casey Hayward. I see Casey on both of your lists there, and that's interesting to me.

Hayward graduated from the same high school as me, a few years after I did. Perry High School in Perry, GA, has a perennially under-achieving (sometimes closer to a doormat) football program. He started both ways there for three years at quarterback and free safety. He was singularly responsible for Perry High making its deepest playoff run in school football history during his senior year. He was so obviously the best athlete on the team that it was just one of those "snap it to him and see what he can do" types of offenses.

Obviously he's athletic enough to have been moved to corner at Vandy and to have excelled as a corner in the SEC. He saw some rotational playing time as a true frosh, and has been an every-game starter since his sophomore year. Vandy's team defensive MVP as a sophomore. Second-team All-SEC as both a junior and senior. And it can be argued that his numbers would've easily earned him a first-team nod in each of those seasons if he was playing for a more high-profile defense.

Listed at 5'11" and 190 lbs. Having seen him around my home town a few times, I can verify that the height at least is accurate. Obviously he's not a huge corner, but he plays bigger than he looks, and he's larger than a significant portion of the corners currently in the NFL. 13 interceptions in the last three years, including 6 as a junior (second in the SEC) and 5 this season, prove he has a nose for the ball. Vandy playing him some on offense this year shows that they recognize that, while he's not the most athletic corner in this draft, he was certainly among the most athletic players in the Commodore program.

Other people could have completely different opinions of the best fit for him, and if so, please share them. But to me, Hayward just screams perfect cover-two corner. If I had to guess, I'd say his 40 time is only going to come in somewhere in the high 4.5's. But he's definitely big enough and physical enough to hold his ground in short space against most receivers, and I think a team that runs a lot of cover two, with its specific responsibilities for the corners, would be a perfect fit. (The Bears, for example: Hayward is bigger than Tim Jennings or D.J. Moore, and probably about the same speed as Peanut Tillman at this point).

In addition, Hayward is a good, smart kid. I have every reason to believe that he's a hard worker and a quick learner (being one of only 3 true freshman from his signing class to play as freshmen at Vandy is further evidence of this). Obviously I'm biased, but Hayward is one of my absolute favorite players in this draft class.

If you want to see the type of impact he can make on a game, go back an watch the Vandy-UGA game this year. Hayward nearly single-handedly willed Vandy to an upset win before falling just short.

DBNYDP
01-05-2012, 01:45 PM
I can't forget about Xavier Rhodes, probably that 2nd-3rd round shuffle. He's a big corner and you need guys like him to combat these tall freaks entering the league as receivers. He won't be close to the fastest corner and is going to run around a 4.5, but he bumps pretty well so I don't worry about speed receivers too much even though that has been an issue at times this year. He's a physical guy and did a pretty great job working against Floyd in the bowl game. Not afraid of contact and has solid tackling form, will be a very good run defender at the next level. Hips aren't too stiff so I wouldn't worry about him being a stiff corner and moving to S. I think Rhodes has a lot of potential, and could easily be a 1st round pick if he does go back to school so I think grabbing this guy in the 2nd will probably be a really good pick in the long run.

rawdawg
01-05-2012, 02:13 PM
Can someone tell me a little more about Omar Bolden, and Casey Hayward. I see Casey on both of your lists there, and that's interesting to me.

Also Trumaine Johnson, I know Atlanta has ties with Montana drafting 2 Montana players in the last 3 years, so I'd like to know some more about him. Did you actually watch him play, or is he just someone who's getting some buzz as a hidden gem?


My personal opinion is that Hayward is one of the most NFL ready CBs in the draft. He's never going to be a press-man CB, but he can start Day 1 in a zone/off man scheme. Does an excellent job reading the QBs eyes and diagnosing routes. Attacks the ball in the air. Doesn't have amazing ball skills, but had 6 INTs this year, and I personally saw him drop 5-6 more easy ones. Good tackler. Great instincts.


Bolden is a guy with 4.4 speed. Decent height, good bulk. Very dynamic looking athlete when he was healthy. Strong man coverage ability. Great ball skills. Also has a lot of ability as a return man, with almost 30 yards per kickoff return last year.

the_dark_knight
01-05-2012, 02:54 PM
I can't forget about Xavier Rhodes, probably that 2nd-3rd round shuffle. He's a big corner and you need guys like him to combat these tall freaks entering the league as receivers. He won't be close to the fastest corner and is going to run around a 4.5, but he bumps pretty well so I don't worry about speed receivers too much even though that has been an issue at times this year. He's a physical guy and did a pretty great job working against Floyd in the bowl game. Not afraid of contact and has solid tackling form, will be a very good run defender at the next level. Hips aren't too stiff so I wouldn't worry about him being a stiff corner and moving to S. I think Rhodes has a lot of potential, and could easily be a 1st round pick if he does go back to school so I think grabbing this guy in the 2nd will probably be a really good pick in the long run.

Is Rhodes leaning towards coming out this year? I thought he didn't even play in the bowl game because of an injury.

Either way if he's there he'd be my top choice as I've seen him just absolutely be a lights out corner in any game I've seen him in, but I think he'd easily be a top 30 type player if he gets healthy and checks out medically.

By the way, everyone thanks for the great feedback, Going to have to do the youtube scouting thing on this Vandy kid, he sounds ideal for what Atlanta is running right now, which is a complete waste of Dunta Robinson's talent. Would be a nice improvement there if he can play in space and be used to the Cover 2 type base we run a lot of.

That being said, who knows if our DC will even be there next year and we could look to change it up completely with our scheme if he's gone.

For now I'd be most interested in hearing more about players like him, if he's the most pro ready what's keeping him in the 2nd round, the less than ideal 40 time, and lack of superior ball skills?

Thanks again, was fun to read on him, and I'm really looking forward to hearing some more evaluations from other people as well as Scott as we get closer to the draft. Not having a 1st round pick can make hanging out around draft sites a little less exciting than it was a few years back when we were picking #3 overall, but there's also that idea of finding the fallers there in the 2nd.

JBCX
01-05-2012, 03:13 PM
I really like Greg Reid of FSU in the 2nd or 3rd round as a slot CB / PR / KR combo pick.

Could provide alot of value for some team.

DraftSavant
01-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Boykin has already been mentioned by many. He's can step in and be a major playmaking nickelback for a heavy zone teams. I could see Chicago falling in love with him.

ellsy82
01-05-2012, 03:33 PM
Casey Hayward and Trumaine Johnson had great years. Hayward is just a playmaker and Trumaine's just so versatile.

And of course, yet another year of me really liking Virginia Tech's leading DB.

Cigaro
01-05-2012, 03:37 PM
I'm not sure where his stock sits, but Stephon Gilmore now factors into the equation.

He's got the talent to be a very good corner. His freshman year showed that. But he suffered a sophomore slump, and although he somewhat recovered this year, he didn't progress as one would have expected. He got beat often enough these past two seasons.

I'm not sure how much of this came from coaching(fans aren't enamored with Lorenzo Ward, who took over the secondary starting Gilmore's sophomore season), or just his lack of ability. I think with the right coaching and scheme he could be a reliable starting corner, but there is always the risk that he will continue to get beaten by the better receivers.

shylo3716
01-05-2012, 04:39 PM
Mike Harris Florida State

I would have 1st this, but since you beat me to the punch I 2nd this notion!

holt_bruce81
01-05-2012, 11:58 PM
I have a man crush on Leonard Johnson.

SilentJaguar
01-06-2012, 12:21 AM
Leonard Johnson from Iowa State and Johnthan Banks from Mississippi State are probably the main ones that intrigue me along with that kid from Montana.

ellsy82
01-06-2012, 12:28 AM
Leonard Johnson from Iowa State and Johnthan Banks from Mississippi State are probably the main ones that intrigue me along with that kid from Montana.

Banks has impressed me. I think he'll be a real talent at cornerback or safety in the league.

TACKLE
01-06-2012, 01:22 AM
Tramain Thomas from Arkansas is a baller. He's really the complete package at FS. He's an instinctive, ball hawking safety with a knack for making plays (9 INT's and 5 FF in the last two seasons) but can also step up in the box and be a physical presence. People are underrating his athleticism which is causing them to underrate him as a prospect but I really think he could be a steal for someone in the middle rounds.

TACKLE
01-06-2012, 01:33 AM
I'm not sure where his stock sits, but Stephon Gilmore now factors into the equation.

He's got the talent to be a very good corner. His freshman year showed that. But he suffered a sophomore slump, and although he somewhat recovered this year, he didn't progress as one would have expected. He got beat often enough these past two seasons.

I'm not sure how much of this came from coaching(fans aren't enamored with Lorenzo Ward, who took over the secondary starting Gilmore's sophomore season), or just his lack of ability. I think with the right coaching and scheme he could be a reliable starting corner, but there is always the risk that he will continue to get beaten by the better receivers.

Stephon intrigues me as a potential FS convert.

marshallb
01-06-2012, 03:42 AM
I was all excited to come in here and pimp my man crush of Casey Hayward, but I see that task has already been done for me. I see a bit of an Asante Samuel in him, although a more willing tackler.

the_dark_knight
01-06-2012, 08:46 AM
I really like Greg Reid of FSU in the 2nd or 3rd round as a slot CB / PR / KR combo pick.

Could provide alot of value for some team.

Atlanta already has one tiny corner, I'm not really wanting another one there. I've seen him as a playmaker for sure. I'm not unhappy with Grimes, but Reid is only 5'8 and I think Atlanta needs a bigger corner for some matchup situations. Just see the touchdown to Jimmy Graham over Brent Grimes. Yeah he's not 100% but there's no way 5'8" covers 6'6" I mean Grimes has prolly a 40+ inch vert in pads, and still had no chance.

Iamcanadian
01-06-2012, 01:27 PM
Not that big of a fan of Casey Hayward, he doesn't have the speed to cover man to man and will probably have to play in a zone system. Still a solid round 3/4 type.

For me, the guy to watch at the combine is Trumaine Johnson, Montana CB (6'2", 205). Teams looking for a big, physical corners will put this guy pretty high on their CB list, maybe even ahead of many of the more recognizable names on a lot of people's boards.
He possess the size, speed and athleticism that is hard to find and he completely dominated at the small school level. He is an immense talent but coming from a small school system, he will need a big combine to jump past round 2 or 3. Right now he is a solid round 2/3 prospect.
The question on small school prospects always comes back to how he will fare at the next level again elite WR talent since he didn't face a whole lot in college.

The other guy who intrigues me is Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech (5'10", 172) who had a nagging hamstring injury all season, however he started to show glimpses late in the season. You have to love his ball skills and awareness.
Throw in his return skills and penchant for playmaking and you have a guy who really intrigues scouts.

ellsy82
01-06-2012, 02:12 PM
The other guy who intrigues me is Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech (5'10", 172) who had a nagging hamstring injury all season, however he started to show glimpses late in the season. You have to love his ball skills and awareness.
Throw in his return skills and penchant for playmaking and you have a guy who really intrigues scouts.

Always a fan of VT DBs. This year is no different. Rock Carmichael was high on my list last year...then some bastard team traded up and snatched him one pick before my beloved Steelers. Curse them!

the_dark_knight
01-06-2012, 02:19 PM
Always a fan of VT DBs. This year is no different. Rock Carmichael was high on my list last year...then some bastard team traded up and snatched him one pick before my beloved Steelers. Curse them!

Seems like every year VT has a DB or 4 that just seem like they're going to be great pros. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss, but even on guys like Deangleo Hall who is all over the map on his good days there's no one better, but he's such a headcase you can forget it.

I'm not sure Atlanta would look the way of another VT DB after that fiasco, well that and Jimmy Freaking 'Steal of the Draft' Williams. Gah that guy burns me up still. I don't know if I've ever been more pissed that a dude flamed out. Anyway, I haven't even really looked at VT DBs because of those 2.

I'm really liking the sound of this Montana kid and if the Falcons can land him at the end of round 3 I think I'd be pretty excited. Guess we'll have to see how he does in some of the bowl games, is he going to a Senior Bowl or anything like that?

DeathbyStat
01-06-2012, 05:10 PM
Casey Heyward for a cover 2 system

bengalbuck
01-09-2012, 11:42 AM
I only saw 1 Montana game this year, so I won't claim to be an expert, but Johnson looks more like a FS to me. He's a pretty big guy and, while athletic, didn't look like he had the quick hips to be a CB.

Just my opinion, but he looks like one of the 3 best free safeties in this draft and a solid 2nd rounder at that position.

the_dark_knight
01-10-2012, 10:17 AM
Welp, with BVG out Falcons may be looking at a new defensive style, so now I don't know if we'll stick with Cover 2 or if we'll start seeing some more aggressive defense.

Hoping for Spags to come to ATL!

SRogers92
01-10-2012, 11:54 AM
Boykin from UGA for sure.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-10-2012, 12:55 PM
Welp, with BVG out Falcons may be looking at a new defensive style, so now I don't know if we'll stick with Cover 2 or if we'll start seeing some more aggressive defense.

Hoping for Spags to come to ATL!


Cover 2 is Mike Smith thing, that's very unlikely to change. Thankfully, there's a lot of nice Cover 2 CB options for us in Rounds 2-3. (Minnifield, Hayward, Boykin, Judie, Hosley)

the_dark_knight
01-10-2012, 03:11 PM
Cover 2 is Mike Smith thing, that's very unlikely to change. Thankfully, there's a lot of nice Cover 2 CB options for us in Rounds 2-3. (Minnifield, Hayward, Boykin, Judie, Hosley)

I agree it's unlikely, but to get so embarrassed it's sort of hard to not make wholesale changes. So, I'm thinking M. Smith doesn't like the lack of aggression, so he'd be willing to hear out something a little different. However, I agree there are some good Cover 2 guys out there.

D-Unit
01-10-2012, 03:32 PM
Jonathan Banks and Brandon Boykin

Man crush.

TheFinisher
01-11-2012, 04:30 PM
Someone already mentioned him but Omar Bolden. Stock is gonna depend heavily on how he checks out medically at the combine, but if all's good he's gonna be a steal for somebody in the middle rounds. He was a stud at ASU since his freshman year, good size, great speed, can effortlessly turn and run, does a nice job breaking on the ball and coming up with the pick, return ability.. he's pretty identical to Janoris Jenkins without the red flags. Well, he does have red flags but for different reasons.

Definitely one to keep an eye on at the combine.


Coryell Judie is another guy I love in the 2nd/3rd Round range. His closing speed and ability to bait QBs is pretty special. He could be a turnover machine in a Cover 2 scheme. He's been dealing with some injuries this season so that might turn off some teams but the ability is there to be a player at the next level. I like him more than Alfonzo Dennard.

One last name is Emanuel Davis from ECU. He's a bonehead but is worth a look on Day 3. Extremely athletic and dangerous with the ball in his hands. He's playing in the East-West Shrine game in case you want to check him out.

SackSEER
01-11-2012, 07:26 PM
Josh Robinson from UCF. He has good size and should run well. He's a very highly regarded cornerback in Conference USA. Granted, it's not the SEC, but Conference USA has produced a lot of top corners that flew under the radar on draft day (Asante Samuel, Patrick Surtain, Mike McKenzie). Great sleeper pick.

rawdawg
01-11-2012, 08:48 PM
Coryell Judie is another guy I love in the 2nd/3rd Round range. His closing speed and ability to bait QBs is pretty special. He could be a turnover machine in a Cover 2 scheme. He's been dealing with some injuries this season so that might turn off some teams but the ability is there to be a player at the next level. I like him more than Alfonzo Dennard.
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Good post. Judie is a target of mine for the Bears, even if they have to go with him mid-2nd. He did have some injury issues this year, so I think he falls to the 3rd, but he's a very good looking athlete. Former HS track star, so he can run with anybody with good closing speed. He's very raw though, only having played football for 5 years, and only 2 above the JR college level. But once he gets on the field and gets some more awareness, he has pro bowl potential. Exceptional ball skills. Seems like a good kid, who's coachable and works hard.

jbooshey
01-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Antonio Fenelus has been outstanding for the past two seasons. He isn't the tallest and he isn't the fastest, but he is a sure tackler and has locked down all types of receivers.

BuddyCHRIST
01-11-2012, 10:36 PM
Xavier Rhodes and Greg Reid are both returning to school so they are ruled out.

Mike Harris is an excellent player and was the best of the FSU corners this season (consistently). He's got good size at a legit 5'11" 185, good speed, plays fundamentally sound, great tackler who delivers some big blows and never misses. Also has experience in man and zone. Will be a steal for someone.

TACKLE
01-11-2012, 10:58 PM
Mike Harris is an excellent player and was the best of the FSU corners this season (consistently). He's got good size at a legit 5'11" 185, good speed, plays fundamentally sound, great tackler who delivers some big blows and never misses. Also has experience in man and zone. Will be a steal for someone.

Yeah I think Mike finds a nice niche as a #2 CB on a team that runs a lot of zone.