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shylo3716
01-09-2012, 07:32 PM
The question on hand now is, do you still question Denver's motive?

J-Mike88
01-09-2012, 07:49 PM
McDaniels made the right pick without question.

What you have to be realistic about is understanding that a players leaping and speed is not all that matters to be successful in the NFL.

Both of these guys have phenomenal skills. Great speed, size.
Thomas has better size, and maybe speed.
Dez has better hands.

But DT is a great guy, great teammate.
Dez is a punk.

Many fans here in Dallas question him.
The local media during this season wondered about trading him, cutting their losses.

I'm now glad my team took Bulaga over Dez in this draft, although I admit I wanted Jerry Hughes more than either....

Denver made the right pick with DT. He's got it all.

BaLLiN
01-09-2012, 07:56 PM
Dez and Thomas have been injured both this year and last, are similar players, but Thomas is a much better fit. I would even say he is a superior run blocker, but both seem to be very good at finding space while the QB is scrambling to make crucial plays and move the sticks.

Breed
01-09-2012, 07:56 PM
If Tebow wasn't Demarious Thomas QB he'd be in the pro bowl every year.

Mufasa
01-09-2012, 08:09 PM
Dez Bryant, but still too soon to say for sure.

Bengalsrocket
01-09-2012, 08:14 PM
That year I wanted, in order, for Cincinnati to either:

1) Trade for Brandon Marshall
2) Draft Demaryius Thomas
3) Draft Dez Bryant


We ended up with Gresham and Shipley instead, which isn't a bad consolation prize, but I really wanted Marshall in Cincinnati :(

anyways, my feelings are the same. I'll take DT over bryant.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-09-2012, 08:17 PM
tebow probably seems like peyton manning compared to josh nesbitt

Complex
01-09-2012, 08:18 PM
Dez is overrated and has been since his rookie year

J-Mike88
01-09-2012, 08:31 PM
That year I wanted, in order, for Cincinnati to either:

We ended up with Gresham and Shipley instead, which isn't a bad consolation prize, but I really wanted Marshall in Cincinnati :(

anyways, my feelings are the same. I'll take DT over bryant.
Shipley was good.
Until the thug intentionally targeted his knee on the catch in the flat this year in the first game, breaking his knee before he could turn around and see him.

I can't remember what player did that, but I think he learned it from Delmas who does it a lot, including ending Ovie Mughatti's season in Atlanta this year the same way.

I hate pussies who tackle diving at fronts or sides of knees instead of tackling like men.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-09-2012, 08:39 PM
If Tebow wasn't Demarious Thomas QB he'd be in the pro bowl every year.

Unless his QB was a worthless scrub like Mike Vick. Vick couldn't even make the playoffs with that roster, how despicable.

Also let's not overrate DT here. DT's extremely talented, every Denver fan has known this. He'd be a pro bowler if a strong breeze didn't put him on the sideline for 3 weeks at a time.

SickwithIt1010
01-09-2012, 08:52 PM
Unless his QB was a worthless scrub like Mike Vick. Vick couldn't even make the playoffs with that roster, how despicable.

Yep, it was Vick's fault. Please stop talking...


But on topic, I think Dez is a punk...but his upside will always intrigue me. Tough call to make.

Bulldogs
01-09-2012, 08:58 PM
I still can't believe people are so easily trolled in this day and age.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-09-2012, 09:09 PM
Yep, it was Vick's fault. Please stop talking...


But on topic, I think Dez is a punk...but his upside will always intrigue me. Tough call to make.

Vick just played so well, those 14 INTs were all the fault of his receivers and he didn't kill any of those dogs it was all just a conspiracy to keep a good QB down, Mike Vick would be Peyton Manning and Tom Brady combined with a dash of Aaron Rodgers if the police hadn't framed him for that dogfighting thing he is that good he is so accurate his receivers and blockers are just so bad and that interception to tramon williams last year was a great throw he is a great QB and has never ever made a mistake on the football field or in life.

San Diego Chicken
01-09-2012, 09:19 PM
McDaniels vindicated? Tebow, Thomas and Robert Ayers all had great games yesterday.

LonghornsLegend
01-09-2012, 10:07 PM
McDaniels made the right pick without question.

What you have to be realistic about is understanding that a players leaping and speed is not all that matters to be successful in the NFL.

Both of these guys have phenomenal skills. Great speed, size.
Thomas has better size, and maybe speed.
Dez has better hands.

But DT is a great guy, great teammate.
Dez is a punk.

Many fans here in Dallas question him.
The local media during this season wondered about trading him, cutting their losses.

I'm now glad my team took Bulaga over Dez in this draft, although I admit I wanted Jerry Hughes more than either....

Denver made the right pick with DT. He's got it all.



I wish you would go away. Stop sounding like your the voice of Dallas. I'm glad your team took Bulago too, and nobody, ever questioned or mentioned trading Dez except idiots. Cutting their losses, really? Way to make up a bunch of **** and make it sound like the masses felt this way.


I was a huge fan of both guys honestly, DT was more raw coming out but that was the only reason I had him rated lower then Dez. Both were big, strong, fast guys that could dominate. Dez was just more natural to me and DT was in an option offense that never really got to see him grow as a WR.


Let's not overreact to stats though. Dez is often the third look in the offense behind Witten & Austin now, it's not like they suck. Denver may not throw much but he's the primary target now, and reaping the benefits. I don't think there's a wrong answer, but I hope everyone doesn't start hopping on DT's dick all of a sudden. I've always been a fan of his.


J Mike, your another story and your post was embarrassing to read. Pick a guy you like and roll with it, stop making up **** and using universal sources so you can't be wrong.

Timbathia
01-09-2012, 10:19 PM
McDaniels vindicated? Tebow, Thomas and Robert Ayers all had great games yesterday.

No, because he still took Slowshon Moreno at #12, and traded away a first rounder for Alphonso Smith.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-09-2012, 11:01 PM
McDaniels vindicated? Tebow, Thomas and Robert Ayers all had great games yesterday.

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/joshmcdaniels4.jpg

No, because he still took Slowshon Moreno at #12, and traded away a first rounder for Alphonso Smith.

http://cbssports.com/images/nfl/photogallery/Josh_McDaniels_Broncos_Video_Tape_Investigation.jp g

CDCB14
01-09-2012, 11:21 PM
Ahhhh, another ridiculously too early question based on one catch 2 days ago and a good second half to the season by Thomas. The world we live in....

Way to early to tell, both are inconsistent and have had injury trouble. Thomas' second half is probably more productive than Dez has been yet in the NFL, but Dez probably has better talent. After next season the picture will more than likely be a lot clearer.

DraftSavant
01-09-2012, 11:32 PM
Not to mention, Thomas is still basically doing the same basic **** now that he was at Georgia Tech. Granted, he's damn good at it, but still.

TitansCJftw
01-09-2012, 11:38 PM
Not to mention, Thomas is still basically doing the same basic **** now that he was at Georgia Tech. Granted, he's damn good at it, but still.

This cannot be overlooked..., i wasn't a thomas supporter vocally on this board and im still not sold... at all, although a lot of that has to do with my pure hatred of the option in college football these days

TACKLE
01-09-2012, 11:39 PM
Not to mention, Thomas is still basically doing the same basic **** now that he was at Georgia Tech. Granted, he's damn good at it, but still.

I had that exact thought yesterday as well. People wondered how he would transition to the pro passing game yet all he does in the NFL is run quick screens, quick curl, 9 routes, the occasional deep crossing route off play action.

Rosebud
01-09-2012, 11:46 PM
I liked Bey Bey a lot then and I like him a lot now. He was the right pick for that team and while Dez was phenomenal he wasn't.

wogitalia
01-09-2012, 11:49 PM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Randy Moss had a pretty damn good career without ever really doing more than that, Thomas isn't quite as athletic but he is pretty damn close and while he isn't Moss he is doing a damn good job of helping them win games.

It's also pretty hard to see, he has been injured the majority of his career and is playing with Tebow now(who can only really throw to those patterns).

I really like Bryant as a football player, everytime he gets going he gets hurt which is an alarming trend but he is stupid natural as a WR and so good to watch(too bad he is an idiot punk off the field). Thomas is just a monster.

Paul
01-11-2012, 11:52 AM
McDaniels made the right pick without question.

What you have to be realistic about is understanding that a players leaping and speed is not all that matters to be successful in the NFL.

Both of these guys have phenomenal skills. Great speed, size.
Thomas has better size, and maybe speed.
Dez has better hands.

But DT is a great guy, great teammate.
Dez is a punk.

Many fans here in Dallas question him.
The local media during this season wondered about trading him, cutting their losses.

I'm now glad my team took Bulaga over Dez in this draft, although I admit I wanted Jerry Hughes more than either....

Denver made the right pick with DT. He's got it all.

The Dallas Media said that?! The Dallas Media and fans overreacting about football? No ******* way. I'm an avid listener to sports talk here in Dallas, and I don't think I've heard any rumblings about trading Dez.

Then again there are Cowboys fans on this forum who wanted to trade Demarcus recently. So basically, the Cowboys have a group of fans who are complete idiots.

tjsunstein
01-11-2012, 12:02 PM
Yeah, I'll take the more developed Bryant over Thomas. Asshole or not, he's a better WR.

CDCB14
01-11-2012, 12:51 PM
Ahhhh, another ridiculously too early question based on one catch 2 days ago and a good second half to the season by Thomas. The world we live in....

Way to early to tell, both are inconsistent and have had injury trouble. Thomas' second half is probably more productive than Dez has been yet in the NFL, but Dez probably has better talent. After next season the picture will more than likely be a lot clearer.

Wait, I need to correct myself. After looking at Thomas' stats, he actually hasn't even been that productive. He had 32 catches for 550 and 4 TD's. And most of those came in a few chunky plays. I thought he had a much better season.

That's not even close to Dez's stats (63 catches, 928 yards, 9 TDs), and Dez isn't even close to developed yet

Why is this a even a thread?

SimonRath
01-11-2012, 12:59 PM
Dez has a legit passer.

bigbluedefense
01-11-2012, 01:07 PM
I was a huge Thomas fan coming out, one of his bigger fans on this forum, but come on guys, it's a little early to declare anything about him don't you think?

He has to prove he can stay healthy, and even then, we have no idea what he really is bc he doesn't have a qb who can consistently get him the ball.

Dez surely has his flaws, but he's also got untapped potential and while he may not be as productive as we expected, he was still pretty damn productive this year. Not every WR is going to be fully developed by year 2.

We have to give both of these guys more time before we say anything. Let's just say they both have a lot of potential.

Denver Bronco56
01-11-2012, 01:15 PM
Why does Thomas think he is better than Bryant?

“I know I’m a better person than Dez,” Thomas said. “That’s how I feel. I feel like I’m a better receiver, too. Bigger, faster.”


I think this sums it up... if you read the article he even says that Dez benefited from playing in a system that makes him more polished right now...but natural talent thomas is better

prock
01-11-2012, 01:20 PM
Gimme Dez. I was a huge fan of Dez and had him in my top 5 that year. Thomas was good down the stretch, but I will still take Dez every day. Until proven wrong I guess.

CDCB14
01-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Why does Thomas think he is better than Bryant?

“I know I’m a better person than Dez,” Thomas said. “That’s how I feel. I feel like I’m a better receiver, too. Bigger, faster.”


I think this sums it up... if you read the article he even says that Dez benefited from playing in a system that makes him more polished right now...but natural talent thomas is better

Who cares what he said? I think i'm better than Jerry Rice, does that make me better than him? Besides, Dez lives by a code where he doesn't talk about any other players to the media. He's actually a good dude and his "off-field issues" are blown ridicuously out of proportion because he's a Cowboy.

Natural talent thomas is better? LOLzzzzzz no.

Thomas may weight about 10 pounds more and have a slightly better 40 time, but other than that Dez is superior in every category. Even with the extra ten pounds, Dez is probably harder to bring down. Jump balls, natural hands, lateral moves, etc. are all on Dez's side. Dez is just so much smoother as a receiver.

Have you seen Dez return punts? Thomas has had a few flashy plays over the second half of the season, I don't really get the hype? He scored an 80 yard TD on terrible coverage that probably 75% of WR's in the NFL would've score on. I like Thomas and Dez has a much better QB, but I still don't understand how this is even a thread..

Punisher
01-11-2012, 01:56 PM
For what Denver does, and the overall team they are DT fits in much more than Dez would.

Could you imagine Dez's attitude with not only having to run block on most plays, but also having easy passes to him missed 4-5 times a game? Ugh it be Marshall 2.0 here in Denver.

DBNYDP
01-12-2012, 02:29 PM
I was never sold on Bryant, and I still am not. I think right now that Bryant is more polished than Thomas and looks more smooth as a receiver. But that being said I'd take Thomas in the long run. Thomas is a bigger and faster by a good amount I think. It is a wash on their hands as they both drop some easy passes but make some incredible acrobatic catches. I think Dez has a slightly better vertical jump although Thomas is really close in that category too. I like that Thomas is a good blocker and is willing to do so while Bryant really isn't. I don't think Bryant is a bad person but I think he is still pretty immature and while he has gotten better I think Thomas's lack of red flags makes his character a little better.

LonghornsLegend
01-12-2012, 03:40 PM
I was a huge Thomas fan coming out, one of his bigger fans on this forum, but come on guys, it's a little early to declare anything about him don't you think?

He has to prove he can stay healthy, and even then, we have no idea what he really is bc he doesn't have a qb who can consistently get him the ball.

Dez surely has his flaws, but he's also got untapped potential and while he may not be as productive as we expected, he was still pretty damn productive this year. Not every WR is going to be fully developed by year 2.

We have to give both of these guys more time before we say anything. Let's just say they both have a lot of potential.


That's not the way this forum works though BBD, it's what have you done for me lately, and lately all we are seeing is DT highlights in a playoff game so he's better. Had you asked the same question in October it would have been a landslide.


The Dallas Media said that?! The Dallas Media and fans overreacting about football? No ******* way. I'm an avid listener to sports talk here in Dallas, and I don't think I've heard any rumblings about trading Dez.



For some odd reason, because he lives in Dallas it's ok for him to make up **** that doesn't make sense what so ever and act like that's the majority feeling. But yea, everyone here wanted to "cut their losses", it's not like he had any production or anything.


DT has as many TD's in his career as Dez tallied up as a rookie. That's not even taking into consideration that Dez was catching punts running backwards at 6'2 220lbs and still out running everyone.


I also don't care if I get called a homer for it, but it annoys the hell out of me to see people call Dez a "punk". Anyone care to explain what that means? Because being a young, immature kid and a "punk" are two completely different things. But I guess he's a menace to society because he likes to put things on lay away and not pay for them. Lol.


It's a complete toss up who could end up better, and the potential on both guys is the same, incredibly high. As would with any WR with their size/speed/strength ratio. But Dez came out a better WR, produced consistently since he's been in the league in many different aspects, and if you look at his stats his arrow is pointing completely up. Nothing DT has done up to date has shown me he's better right now.


You could argue that QB play is why Dez has better numbers, but he honestly did better with Kitna. Romo hasn't learned that you can throw it to Dez when he's not open, Kitna and even McGee understand that so they let him go get the ball and he does. It's funny how DT only has to make a few plays to be better, but those few plays in his career somehow over shadow all the TD's Dez has produced in 2 years now(17 TD's in 27 games, but hey, who cares about that).

J-Mike88
01-12-2012, 03:53 PM
I'm glad your team took Bulago too, and nobody, ever questioned or mentioned trading Dez except idiots. Cutting their losses, really? Way to make up a bunch of **** and make it sound like the masses felt this way.

J Mike, your another story and your post was embarrassing to read. Pick a guy you like and roll with it, stop making up **** and using universal sources so you can't be wrong.
It was on the Nate & Coop show on 103.3 sometime midway or late in the season.

I suppose it came after a bad game where Dez wasn't targeted or when they were saying Tony didn't trust Dez.

Why act like I made that up?

Yes it's true, they call it "Overreaction Monday" here in Dallas after Cowboy games.... and it's entertaining to me as a n unbiased observer.

Don't get mad at me for passing that along..... or accuse me of making it up. They took a few calls on that and some of your fans (or Eagles fans in disguise?) said they were tired of the guy.
Again, they don't speak for everyone as there are some Packer fans who argue amongst each other.

There were plenty of Packer fans who wanted Dez at that pick.
And the year before when he was ripping it up at Ok State, I remember saying this guy was better than Crabtree who everyone had ranked as a top-5 prospect....

I still think Dez is as talented as anyone in the NFL with the possible exception of Megatron because of his size+speed combo.

But baggage as a WR always makes a difference.
I don't think you can argue with that stance.

Saints-Tigers
01-12-2012, 03:57 PM
And the year before when he was ripping it up with Chase Daniel at Mizzou, I remember saying this guy was better than Crabtree who everyone had ranked as a top-5 prospect....


Consider me confused.

J-Mike88
01-12-2012, 04:40 PM
Consider me confused.
yeah whoops on the QB, but everyone in the Big 12 was airing it out for a few years there, chase daniel included.
then came blaine gabbert.....