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Scott Wright
01-22-2012, 08:03 AM
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Scott Wright
01-22-2012, 08:05 AM
The Senior Bowl coverage has begun!

Be sure to check out the Senior Bowl Headquarters page on the main site for all of the latest updates. Just made a preview article and blog entry live this morning.

What or who are you most looking forward to seeing this week?

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2012, 09:41 AM
Report from Omar Kelly (www.twitter.com/OmarKelly)

that TY Hilton won't be participating due to quad injury.

SuperPacker
01-22-2012, 09:49 AM
When's the game?

Scott Wright
01-22-2012, 09:53 AM
We are going to be taping a short podcast at 10:00am CST this morning (Sunday) to test out a new microphone. We are going to just preview the 2012 Senior Bowl and talk about some players / storylines that we'll be following closely. Tune in live at http://bit.ly/h08cFf .

SuperPacker
01-22-2012, 10:02 AM
listening to the podcast now!

ElectricEye
01-22-2012, 10:48 AM
Report from Omar Kelly (www.twitter.com/OmarKelly)

that TY Hilton won't be participating due to quad injury.

Damn. He was really one of the guys I was looking forward to seeing. He really could have helped his stock a whole ton if he had shown up big in the practices.

kwilk103
01-22-2012, 09:38 PM
any reason why bruce irvin didnt get an invite? or did he turn it down?

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2012, 11:09 PM
any reason why bruce irvin didnt get an invite? or did he turn it down?

Haven't heard anything about it which is interesting.

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2012, 11:11 PM
Other guys who are out:

Devon Still
Mark Barron
Brandon Mosley
Amini Silatolu
Mychal Kendricks


Additions:
Jeff Allen
Derek Wolfe
Tony Jerod-Eddie

TACKLE
01-22-2012, 11:14 PM
Other guys who are out:

Devon Still
Mark Barron
Brandon Mosley
Amini Silatolu
Mychal Kendricks


Additions:
Jeff Allen
Derek Wolfe
Tony Jerod-Eddie

I'm really disappointed that he is out. Definitely one of the guys I was really looking forward to watching this week.

ElectricEye
01-22-2012, 11:29 PM
So as far as television coverage, all we get tomorrow is the practice(which isn't really a practice if I remember correctly) at 4 right?

Shane P. Hallam
01-22-2012, 11:43 PM
So as far as television coverage, all we get tomorrow is the practice(which isn't really a practice if I remember correctly) at 4 right?

Yeah, not the best practice, but there are some things to gleam.

Matthew Jones
01-23-2012, 12:12 AM
I'm really disappointed that he is out. Definitely one of the guys I was really looking forward to watching this week.

Agreed, I really wanted to see Silatolu this week as well. Jeff Allen is an intriguing addition though.

Matthew Jones
01-23-2012, 12:17 AM
The prospects I'm most interested in:

North:

WR Marvin Jones, California

LB James-Michael Johnson, Nevada

LB Bobby Wagner, Utah St.

CB Jamell Fleming, Oklahoma

FS Trenton Robinson, Michigan St.

South:

OT Jeff Allen, Illinois

OT Matt McCants, Alabama-Birmingham

OT Zebrie Sanders, Florida St.

LB Emmanuel Acho, Texas

CB Dwight Bentley, Louisiana-Lafayette

CB Ryan Steed, Furman

SS Antonio Allen, South Carolina

49erNation85
01-23-2012, 12:43 AM
I want to know what you guys think of K.Moore improvements are this week. I will not get to watch any of the practices sadly. I would like he could improve his arm strength will some big time talent on his side of the ball this week. And please for the love of god excuse his height issue.

CashmoneyDrew
01-23-2012, 12:43 AM
Looks like one of the least talented senior bowls I can remember.

holt_bruce81
01-23-2012, 12:55 AM
Players all be keeping a close eye on:

TY Hilton WR

Russell Wilson QB

Leonard Johnson CB

Zach Brown LB

Quinton Coples DE

Billy Winn DT

Michael Egnew TE

Terance Ganaway RB

I love Hilton, Wilson and Johnson. I think Hilton with a good showing in the senior bowl could surprise a lot of people and be a top 40 pick, maybe even enter the first round. I've only seen Leonard Johnson twice, once when Iowa State played Missouri and the time when he went up against Justin Blackmon, I came away impressed both times.

I think the two North Carolina guys are overrated, sorry. But it's not like I've seen a ton of them so maybe I'm wrong.

Matthew Jones
01-23-2012, 12:55 AM
Unfortunately Hilton will not be playing in the Senior Bowl.

holt_bruce81
01-23-2012, 12:56 AM
Unfortunately Hilton will not be playing in the Senior Bowl.

Well damnit.

Then I guess I would like to see Jeff Fuller's story of a 4th rounder.

Matthew Jones
01-23-2012, 01:12 AM
Well damnit.

Then I guess I would like to see Jeff Fuller's story of a 4th rounder.

If Jeff Fuller falls to the fourth round I'll eat my hat.

holt_bruce81
01-23-2012, 01:22 AM
If Jeff Fuller falls to the fourth round I'll eat my hat.

I don't think that's healthy.

shylo3716
01-23-2012, 03:57 AM
Why is it Travis Benjamin did not make the Senior Bowl or Shrine roster?

Matthew Jones
01-23-2012, 04:55 AM
I don't think that's healthy.

We'll never find out because Fuller will go in the second round.

descendency
01-23-2012, 06:55 AM
If Jeff Fuller falls to the fourth round I'll eat my hat.

I was a big fan of his before this year. He just looks like a very big bodied #2. His route tree is limited (basically, all he runs are comebacks). His hands are hot and cold. His speed is below average.

He's a mid round guy.

Scott Wright
01-23-2012, 06:58 AM
Up Early?

Might as well listen to Shane and I tape a thirty minute Senior Bowl podcast recapping Sunday and previewing Monday at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/draftcountdown.

The archive will be available at that same site and on iTunes afterwards.

JHL6719
01-23-2012, 09:40 AM
Anybody have a link or a live stream of Senior Bowl coverage?

Thanks in advance.

jrdrylie
01-23-2012, 11:49 AM
Does Kellen Moore checking in at under six feet stop his supposed rise up the boards or did scouts already expect this and factor it in already?

underscore
01-23-2012, 12:45 PM
I'd be more concerned with the fact Moore is a slightly 191

Big Bird
01-23-2012, 01:02 PM
I wouldn't of drafted Kellen Moore or Patrick Edwards before this week, and now, I might interview them at the Combine just to mock them for how small they are.

Seriously, how are these two guys wasting Senior Bowl invites over guys like B.J. Coleman and Jarius Wright?

Unbiased
01-23-2012, 01:20 PM
Yes, why is Patrick Edwards there over a giant like Jarius Wright?

SMoore
01-23-2012, 02:56 PM
Anyway, it is a college all-star game, not an NFL Draft event, it has just become like a draft event.

SickwithIt1010
01-23-2012, 03:10 PM
I wouldn't of drafted Kellen Moore or Patrick Edwards before this week, and now, I might interview them at the Combine just to mock them for how small they are.

Seriously, how are these two guys wasting Senior Bowl invites over guys like B.J. Coleman and Jarius Wright?

Because they are better than them.

Iamcanadian
01-23-2012, 03:15 PM
Because they are better than them.

At least according to pro teams at this point in the draft process.

PossibleCabbage
01-23-2012, 03:35 PM
At least according to pro teams at this point in the draft process.

Who is it that's responsible for issuing senior bowl invitations? Does the Senior Bowl take it upon itself, or do they consult with pro scouts about "who would you like to see"?

ElectricEye
01-23-2012, 03:40 PM
Just got back from work, had to DVR the first half. Any standouts so far?

EDIT: Osemele just got destroyed by three straight speed rushs.

Big Bird
01-23-2012, 03:45 PM
Because they are better than them.
I would bet anything Coleman is drafted higher than Moore and Wright ahead of Edwards.

Honestly, you have to be blind to think Moore is better than Coleman or Edwards better than Wright.

Yes, why is Patrick Edwards there over a giant like Jarius Wright?
I never said Jarius Wright was big, but Wright played in the best conference and has game breaking speed, and not a laundry list of injury problems like Edwards.

PossibleCabbage
01-23-2012, 03:49 PM
EDIT: Osemele just got destroyed by three straight speed rushs.

Well, he's certainly not an NFL Left Tackle, the question is whether that's correctable so you can move him to RT, or if a player his size can play inside effectively.

ElectricEye
01-23-2012, 03:59 PM
Cousins is throwing the ball better than I realized he could.

Bulldogs
01-23-2012, 04:03 PM
Granted I only saw a bit of Mike Adams, but he looked damn good. Where will he be taken?

Mitchell
01-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Cousins stood out, I hope he gets a fair shot..

Hines
01-23-2012, 04:32 PM
Granted I only saw a bit of Mike Adams, but he looked damn good. Where will he be taken?

Wouldn't be surprised if he is the second OT picked. He's that talented. I just hope he isn't playing like this his Sr season because he was going to get paid next season.

PossibleCabbage
01-23-2012, 04:37 PM
Granted I only saw a bit of Mike Adams, but he looked damn good. Where will he be taken?

He's probably somewhere between Bulaga and Saffold as a prospect, so as high as the 20s, I would say.

DiG
01-23-2012, 04:43 PM
scott - props for using "bubble butt" in your weigh-in descriptions.

TACKLE
01-23-2012, 04:48 PM
He's probably somewhere between Bulaga and Saffold as a prospect, so as high as the 20s, I would say.

He's a much better prospect than both and is will have a hard time getting past the Chiefs at 11 and the Cardinals at 13.

ElectricEye
01-23-2012, 04:50 PM
I saw Curry beat him once, but he looked the part and actually played pretty well from what I saw on TV.

Limited impressions from what I saw on TV;

Mike Martin stood out in the linemen drills. Delivered a great initial punch and showed the ability to get low and win the leverage battle.

Dennard didn't look to good. I like how physical he is, but he doesn't look all that fluid.

Gerell Robinson didn't appear to have great hands and didn't look very light on his feet. Moved like a bigger guy.

I liked what I saw out of TJ Graham. Seemed to be pretty quick and had good hands. If today is any indication, he's going to be awfully tough to cover this week.

Big Bird
01-23-2012, 04:53 PM
He's a much better prospect than both and is will have a hard time getting past the Chiefs at 11 and the Cardinals at 13.
I can't see him getting past the Cardinals. They would be stupid to pass up the chance to get a Franchise LT to protect Kolb outside the Top 10.

But, the guy is a freak athlete, and when he did play this past season, dominated. He could easily end up in the Top 10 after the Combine.

SchizophrenicBatman
01-23-2012, 04:55 PM
I see Devon Still wussed out of this

Probably a smart move since he would've been exposed as the 3rd rounder he deserves to be

Complex
01-23-2012, 05:05 PM
How did Brian Quick look? I miss not having NFL network.

the_dark_knight
01-23-2012, 05:06 PM
scott - props for using "bubble butt" in your weigh-in descriptions.

Every year it makes me wonder...

underscore
01-23-2012, 05:08 PM
I see Devon Still wussed out of this

Probably a smart move since he would've been exposed as the 3rd rounder he deserves to be

He got turf toe leading up to the bowl game. Scouts will have injury concerns on Still, but he sure didn't "wuss out."

bored of education
01-23-2012, 05:15 PM
He's a much better prospect than both and is will have a hard time getting past the Chiefs at 11 and the Cardinals at 13.

this I have been saying Mike Adams will end up not falling past Zona or KC and could be a top 10 pick.

PossibleCabbage
01-23-2012, 05:52 PM
this I have been saying Mike Adams will end up not falling past Zona or KC and could be a top 10 pick.

I just can't see three OTs going in the top 10 this year, and to my eyes Reiff has a clear lean over Adams.

Adams is my #3 OT though.

Ignoring positional value, I would take Adams fifth among the OL, after Kalil, DeCastro, Reiff, and Konz. I wouldn't rule out Konz or DeCastro to KC or Arizona. Adams is a good prospect, I'm just not in love with him like other people are.

Duffman57
01-23-2012, 06:04 PM
Interesting to see the Chargers interested in Lavonte David. He's the exact opposite of a 34 LB IMO. Vinny Curry makes sense. I've heard that the Charger were looking strongly at interior DL guys at practice.

RaiderNation
01-23-2012, 06:15 PM
Trent Dilfer said on NFL32 that Nick Foles is a 1st round QB....

PossibleCabbage
01-23-2012, 06:38 PM
Trent Dilfer said on NFL32 that Nick Foles is a 1st round QB....

If Christian Ponder is a top 12 QB, I suppose that our standards are slipping, and Nick Foles might as well be a first round QB.

A Perfect Score
01-23-2012, 06:55 PM
Mike Adams is such a boss. He was never really going to make it to Baltimore, but I'm guessing this week will push him firmly out of our reach.

RaiderNation
01-23-2012, 07:02 PM
I love the reports of the Raiders talking to Kendall Reyes. I drafted him in the current forum mock in the late 3rd, and I think if we end up going to the 3-4 that Reyes could be a nice fit for us. Chris Polk could replace Bush too if he leaves, idk if we would use one of our early comp picks on him though since we are desperate for talent on defense.

Iamcanadian
01-23-2012, 07:37 PM
Who is it that's responsible for issuing senior bowl invitations? Does the Senior Bowl take it upon itself, or do they consult with pro scouts about "who would you like to see"?

I believe 3 NFL teams have to request their participation before a prospect is invited to the Combine, but I don't know how the Senior Bowl operates, perhaps Scott could enlighten us.
I'm pretty sure the NFL has a large say in who is invited.

Complex
01-24-2012, 01:00 AM
http://media.al.com/mobile-press-register/photo/2012/01/10476633-standard.jpg

Guess who that is

Hint:WR

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 01:08 AM
*snip*
Guess who that is

Hint:WR

Marquis Maze?

Complex
01-24-2012, 01:21 AM
Marquis Maze?

yep...............

Prowler
01-24-2012, 09:45 AM
I still don't like Mike Adams. Entering the Senior Bowl, I have him as 2nd round prospect. I think he's a RT and after the Lions stupidly took Gosder in the 1st round, I know that you don't take RTs in the 1st round. You can find big run blockers who have problems with speed rushers all over the draft and are not worth a first round pick. I want to see him dominate some speed matchups before I anoint him worthy of some of your guys' praise.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 09:52 AM
http://www.firstrow.tv/watch/49037/1/watch-nfl-network.html

just in case someone needs a feed...only thing that sucks is annoying adds pop up to block it every now and then.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:01 AM
Lavonte David just killed Polk in a pass blocking drill

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 10:02 AM
Mike Mayock openly admits to mocking Kellen Moore, haha.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 10:03 AM
Lavonte David just killed Polk in a pass blocking drill

Polk certainly hasn't started strong this week. I don't get to see what the scouts do, but he certainly didn't impress running the ball yesterday.

Spaceboy1
01-24-2012, 10:03 AM
Patrick Edwards looking ultra explosive...

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 10:08 AM
Trent Dilfer said on NFL32 that Nick Foles is a 1st round QB....

compared to Dilfer, a lot of guys seem like first round QBs...

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 10:15 AM
I'm really liking what I've seen out of Marvin Jones so far. I've always liked the guy and felt like he's underexposed.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:19 AM
Marvin blew by Dennard on that first one. It was a great throw, but it was effortless.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:20 AM
wow, Quick looks good too.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 10:26 AM
Brewster and Mike Martin getting into it a little bit. Gotta love it.



...and are we sure Ta'amu is 340+? Moves like a smaller guy. Like what I see there so far too.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:27 AM
are they teaching all these linemen to hold?

A Perfect Score
01-24-2012, 10:27 AM
Osemele is ******* huge.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:29 AM
Osemele is ******* huge.

he ate his defender. nobody is going through him. love it.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 10:29 AM
Osemele is ******* huge.

Yeah, I suspect somebody's going to fall in love with the fact that you can't teach *HUGE* and draft him well before the analysts expect. Wouldn't be surprised to see him go at the top of the second. Not the most agile kid, but he's a gamer. Played pretty much all last season on a bum ankle.

Also, why do they have to go to commercial during the pass-rushing drills... that's the best part of the Senior Bowl!

the_dark_knight
01-24-2012, 10:30 AM
Freakin pumped man, I wanna get to see some of this action! I love Senior Bowl week, even when I didn't get to watch as much football in the season as I would have liked I love seeing these guys show up and do their thang!

A few guys who I'm excited to see for myself for sure. Cordy Glenn you need to just chill son, ATL needs you, so don't blast that draft stock too high now.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 10:34 AM
I love how NFL Network is talking over the actual content.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 10:34 AM
Call me crazy, but I like Osemele more than Glenn.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:35 AM
who got that pick? stupid Russell Wilson talk is messing up my coverage.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 10:39 AM
stupid Russell Wilson talk is messing up my coverage.

I wish they could refrain from having "guest commentary" when there's actual live content to be talking about. I mean, I suppose it's okay on day 3 of the draft since we don't want Mayock to die on stage, but there's only one hour of the morning practice on NFLN... you can talk to Brett Bielema after it's over...

descendency
01-24-2012, 10:44 AM
who got that pick? stupid Russell Wilson talk is messing up my coverage.

Did Russell throw into triple coverage again???

descendency
01-24-2012, 10:45 AM
Osemele is ******* huge.

Marcus Cannon without cancer.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 10:46 AM
Keep focusing on Bucky Brooks instead of the play guys. That's totally what I want to watch, people talking.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:47 AM
Did Russell throw into triple coverage again???

No, I couldn't tell if it was Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins that made a terrible decision and got picked by a now nameless linebacker.

Flaming Mo
01-24-2012, 10:49 AM
Really interesting to see a center QB exchange done 100 times... not...

Bulldogs
01-24-2012, 10:50 AM
Alot of Dennard haters here, but I thought he looked great in the 1 on 1 drill.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 10:54 AM
Dennard was solid on the first, but it was a great route and throw over the top. I think he was burned on the 2nd. He looked great on the 3rd matchup that I saw and played it nice and tight.

I still like him in the 2nd though, I'm not a first round fan.

*my biggest problem with him is his potential for drawing penalties in the NFL. I think he's going to get a lot of flags and I don't trust his natural speed and hips to make up for him playing looser.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 11:18 AM
apparently it was George Iloka who intercepted Cousins.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 11:20 AM
apparently it was George Iloka who intercepted Cousins.

Was he playing LB or S at the time? I'm not sure what his best position is going to be.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 11:24 AM
It looked like he started from linebacker depth, but it was a quick diving play. I was watching Cousins scramble for his life after a bobbled snap more than anything. It was still a really good, instinctive play on the ball.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/24/senior.bowl.practice.tuesday/

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 11:27 AM
I haven't been able to watch much senior bowl coverage, though I hear Adams and Brewster are doing great. I think Rivals had an article about how good Posey was as well. What could've been for OSU in 2011 (sigh).

WT01
01-24-2012, 11:55 AM
Polk certainly hasn't started strong this week. I don't get to see what the scouts do, but he certainly didn't impress running the ball yesterday.

Incredibly frustrating to see. Big Polk fan and this is (obviously) a chance to greatly improve his stock without having to compete with the (general) top three in Richardson, Miller and Wilson. Dunno what's up with him.

49erNation85
01-24-2012, 12:14 PM
How is Kellen Moore looking out there guys? be honest ..ccxxxz

A Perfect Score
01-24-2012, 12:16 PM
How is Kellen Moore looking out there guys? be honest ..ccxxxz

Awful. It might be because Kellen Moore is terrible, and the idea of him going in the Top 3 rounds come April makes me sick to my stomach. He has quite possibly the worst arm I've ever seen on a guy being considered as an NFL prospect. He has to absolutely throttle the ball in order to make it go 20 yards.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 12:16 PM
I wouldn't touch him before the 5th based on tools and principle. I haven't seen much from him though. Everyone was having problems with the center-qb exchange. They actually stopped and did snapping drills like 50 times. Not really much to evaluate yet. They did comment that he's good in the huddle, used to different formations, etc.

fear the elf
01-24-2012, 12:26 PM
I haven't been able to watch much senior bowl coverage, though I hear Adams and Brewster are doing great. I think Rivals had an article about how good Posey was as well. What could've been for OSU in 2011 (sigh).

Really? From what I saw yesterday and read, Brewster did not look. Adams looked fine I guess. I thought he got beat pretty good one time by Curry in their matchups yesterday. Posey didn't make an impression one way or the other... :/

49erNation85
01-24-2012, 12:27 PM
Is his deep ball really that bad tho?Can he hit all the underneath routs etc also how is accuracy besides going deep ?

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 12:29 PM
Guys who stood out today a bit today for me;

Alameda Ta'amu:
I don't think I've seen anyone handle him comfortable one on one yet. Very stout and pretty light on his feet too, with good movement skills. NT's always get pushed up and he looks like he could be establishing himself as the top guy at that position this year.

Marvin Jones:
He wasn't touted as a burner coming into this, but he's run by some guys who are supposed to be faster than him so far. He's caught the ball when it's got there as well. Really interesting guy at almost 6'2 200 with good hands and speed.

Marvin McNutt:
Subtly can get you pretty far as a wide receiver. Seems to be really effective in the three step game and catches the ball as well as advertised. The speed thing looks like a legitimate knock though. Pure possession type guy.

Donnie Fletcher:
He's gotten beat some, but he's competed well and has looked really good in man coverage, using his arms well.

Goon61
01-24-2012, 12:41 PM
So I have heard from multiple sources that Marvin Jones has been excelling, not only in the senior bowl but also in games, more specifically in their bowl game. The writer said he was running nice routes and getting open.

What I do not understand is why he wasn't even the leading receiver on his team. Keenan Allen far surpassed him in production. Since I have not seen much of the Cal Bears I was wondering why is that the case? Is it like the Ryan Swope Jeff Fuller situation where defenses were focused on Jones or is Keenan Allen just a really good player while Jones is just a good player. I would like to hear from someone who has watched some of their games to find out what was going on.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 12:44 PM
I think it has something to do with Keenan Allen being a potential top 15 pick next year. I like Jones quite a bit, but Allen is quite the talent.

Goon61
01-24-2012, 12:54 PM
Oh ok, I didn't realize Allen was so highly regarded

Big Bird
01-24-2012, 01:04 PM
Marvin Jones has been very underrated for a while anyways. I had him Top 15 going into the week, and most others don't seem to want to put him any higher than 25 (including this site having him at 32).

The guy is just such a smooth, natural athlete with good size and explosive ability, not sure why it took the Senior Bowl for people to realize.

WT01
01-24-2012, 01:18 PM
Senio Kelemete has been pretty surprising so far, especially since he's been lining up as a tackle and having to fend off speed rushers (he's not a big guy, only 6'3", 300 pounds and with 32.25" arms). Probably will be drafted as a guard, but he's a sleeper.

SenorGato
01-24-2012, 01:21 PM
Marvin Jones has been very underrated for a while anyways. I had him Top 15 going into the week, and most others don't seem to want to put him any higher than 25 (including this site having him at 32).

The guy is just such a smooth, natural athlete with good size and explosive ability, not sure why it took the Senior Bowl for people to realize.

+1

I was kind of hoping he'd remain under the radar. Really solid prospect...reminds me of guys like Eric Parker, McCardell, Hilliard, and so on...One of my favorite late round WR picks.

So anyway...

How's Vinny Curry's climb to the first round going? Kicking ass and taking names?

Babylon
01-24-2012, 01:23 PM
Guys who stood out today a bit today for me;

Alameda Ta'amu:
I don't think I've seen anyone handle him comfortable one on one yet. Very stout and pretty light on his feet too, with good movement skills. NT's always get pushed up and he looks like he could be establishing himself as the top guy at that position this year.

Marvin Jones:
He wasn't touted as a burner coming into this, but he's run by some guys who are supposed to be faster than him so far. He's caught the ball when it's got there as well. Really interesting guy at almost 6'2 200 with good hands and speed.

Marvin McNutt:
Subtly can get you pretty far as a wide receiver. Seems to be really effective in the three step game and catches the ball as well as advertised. The speed thing looks like a legitimate knock though. Pure possession type guy.

Donnie Fletcher:
He's gotten beat some, but he's competed well and has looked really good in man coverage, using his arms well.

We waited pretty much all year for him to live up to his form or late 2010 and it never happened. As is said though you cant teach size and he is agile for a big man. Should be a decent situational D-lineman at the next level but i wouldnt take him too early unless i had some extra picks to work with (hint hint)

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 01:26 PM
Marvin Jones has been very underrated for a while anyways. I had him Top 15 going into the week, and most others don't seem to want to put him any higher than 25 (including this site having him at 32).

The guy is just such a smooth, natural athlete with good size and explosive ability, not sure why it took the Senior Bowl for people to realize.

I've always liked the guy quite a bit too. A few years ago, I thought he was going to be 1200+ yard guy for Cal and a second round type prospect, but the poor QB play and the rise of Keenan Allen kind of hindered that. Still a real good prospect as you mentioned though and someone who hasn't gotten their due up to this point.

iowatreat54
01-24-2012, 02:03 PM
Anyone want to give me their opinion of how McNutt has looked so far? :)

All I've been able to read at work is Iowa fans posting that he seemed to have gotten the better of Dennard on at least one or two plays, and then got into it a little bit with Leonard Johnson.

Any positives/negatives from him so far?

EDIT: Just saw EE's post, seems about like what at least I thought. Great hands (usually) but not the greatest speed or at least breakaway speed.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 02:11 PM
I really like the way he plays the game. He's a very intelligent player and it shows up almost instantly when you watch him. For a guy who has only played the position for a few years, he's already mastered some of the fine points. When I watched him on tape this year in addition to what I saw the past few days, I see a little bit of that Jimmy Smith thing with him(although their drastically different players), where it's just real tough to get a read on what direction he's going. Love his hands and catch radius too.

...I'm just not sure you can project that as being a potential number one or two target. There's guys who are rated below him I would take based on upside and big play ability. He should easily stick on an NFL roster throughout the course of his career and be a very useful player to round out a receiving core.

iowatreat54
01-24-2012, 02:26 PM
Thanks. That's pretty much how I see him. He has decent potential, but not like a huge upside as some guys have. 90% of the time he has great hands, but he sometimes will get ahead of himself and drop an easy one. He won't blow by guys or out jump them, but he uses his size, giant hands, and pretty good quickness to get an edge on defenders. Runs really good routes (I think).

Coming into the pre-draft season I figured he was a 4th rounder off the bat, but with an above average allstar game, combine, and workout, he could creep up to the high 3rd round maybe.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-24-2012, 02:30 PM
Was he playing LB or S at the time? I'm not sure what his best position is going to be.

S. He reminds me a ton of Kam Chancellor.

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Scott's eval of Brewster on Monday doesn't add up to literally every other report I've heard about him. I heard he was 3-1 against Mike Martin in individual drills both Monday and Tuesday and looked good in team drills.

the_dark_knight
01-24-2012, 02:57 PM
S. He reminds me a ton of Kam Chancellor.

I'd say Kam may have had some better tools to work with to start out but if George can work up to Kam status, that'd make him a very solid starter at the next level. I just think Kam is more physically gifted.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 03:01 PM
S. He reminds me a ton of Kam Chancellor.

That's certainly what you hope you're getting with him and part of the reason I'm interested in him for the Patriots in spite of him not being a perfect fit for what we need out of a safety. Really like his tools a lot.

Big Bird
01-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Scott's eval of Brewster on Monday doesn't add up to literally every other report I've heard about him. I heard he was 3-1 against Mike Martin in individual drills both Monday and Tuesday and looked good in team drills.
I don't know what Scott wrote, but Mike Brewster has been an animal. He is intelligent, technically sound, and just a brute.

Not sure I see much of a difference between him and Nick Mangold...

TheFinisher
01-24-2012, 04:23 PM
How has Quinton Coples looked?

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 04:29 PM
How has Quinton Coples looked?


"North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples was among the class of the South defense. Coples is a pass rush terror and had several clean wins in the Pit drills. He displayed up-field explosion and a decent variety of moves. On the down side, he was having some trouble getting off of run blocks against Cordy Glenn, but even in that respect he improved as practice progressed. These two players had great battles. There are still questions about this player's consistency, but if we use only today as a guide, Coples might be the highest selected player in town this week."

dannyz
01-24-2012, 04:29 PM
I forgot to watch the NFLN Coverage yesterday but I taped it Today and watched the North Practice and they only really talked about Kellen Moore and Russell Wilson which was making me sick because neither will be anything in the NFL but Mayock was talking them up. I like the Senior Bowl but Really can't wait for the Combine.

TheFinisher
01-24-2012, 04:32 PM
"North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples was among the class of the South defense. Coples is a pass rush terror and had several clean wins in the Pit drills. He displayed up-field explosion and a decent variety of moves. On the down side, he was having some trouble getting off of run blocks against Cordy Glenn, but even in that respect he improved as practice progressed. These two players had great battles. There are still questions about this player's consistency, but if we use only today as a guide, Coples might be the highest selected player in town this week."

Sounds about right, the ability is there for him to be as good as he wants to be.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-24-2012, 04:42 PM
Sounds about right, the ability is there for him to be as good as he wants to be.


Pretty much. That's what I say when people bring up the Jamaal Anderson comparison. Jamaal just sucked. He worked hard. Coples just decided he wanted to coast and not get hurt this past year. Now's the time when he'll regain his stock.

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 04:44 PM
Kheeston Randall seems to carry his weight well. Like what I'm seeing out of Ingram so far too.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 04:54 PM
Butch Davis is making me want to draft UNC guys

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 04:55 PM
Butch is actually pretty money on this stuff so far. Selling the UNC guys hard, but he's bringing good info about Spence too.

CDCB14
01-24-2012, 05:13 PM
Butch Davis is making me want to draft UNC guys

Same. He just made Zach Brown and Coples sound like they are sure fire hall of famers. They should give him a piece of their signing bonuses.

Leon Sandcastle
01-24-2012, 05:18 PM
Granted but Coples and Brown are really good prospects. I'd cream my pants if the Bills ended up with Coples and Mike Adams with their first two picks.

I just don't see Coples lasting to #10 now. Can totally see Jacksonville and Carolina taking him before the Bills get a chance and Mike Adams is apparently a 1st Rounder now.

Some people are saying he'll be the first Tackle taken now. LOL!

Miaoww
01-24-2012, 05:29 PM
I'd cry if the Panthers took Coples. He doesn't impress me enough.

He seriously lacks that burst you look for in an elite pass rushing DE.

Prowler
01-24-2012, 05:49 PM
Some people are saying he'll be the first Tackle taken now. LOL!

Those people are ********. Kalil owns Adams in every way. Adams best case scenario is Oher.

Brown Leader
01-24-2012, 05:51 PM
NFLN coverage is infuriating me. It's as bad as it was last year. Has to be the same director. When they talk on a prospect they get a camera right on him whether he's doing a drill or not. So for the entirety of the conversion you just get to watch him standing there, meanwhile the drills continue on. The whole point of putting this on is to get to SEE the prospects matching up against each other. Why is that so hard to understand?

ElectricEye
01-24-2012, 05:53 PM
NFLN coverage is infuriating me. It's as bad as it was last year. Has to be the same director. When they talk on a prospect they get a camera right on him whether he's doing a drill or not. So for the entirety of the conversion you just get to watch him standing there, meanwhile the drills continue on. The whole point of putting this on is to get to SEE the prospects matching up against each other. Why is that so hard to understand?

I'm finding it even worse this year than it was last year. It's just really frustrating and senseless. I actually like some of the information they're bringing to the table, but the actual coverage sucks. Seems like they just show guys standing around and then cut away as soon as the actual drills start.

...and right on cue, quarterback drills are about to start and they cut to commercials. They showed literally nothing that whole sequence.

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 06:49 PM
It sounds like Upshaw is doing well, but isn't getting off blocks as well as he should and being only 6'1" without freakishly long arms to make up for it and below average speed for a top 15 pick pass rusher I think his stock might not have too much room to rise as it does to fall depending on his combine. Just seems like a guy who is more likely to go in the 15-25 range than anything else.

Same thing with Ingram - very good so far in practices, but only about 6'2" with short arms and a squat build. Might not have the length to disengage in the NFL against those long armed OTs. I think Upshaw and Ingram are both 3-4 OLBs in the NFL, and both probably picked in the 15-20 or 25 range (maybe higher if someone reaches b/c of teams starved for pass rushers), but I don't see either going to Buffalo at #10.

Buffalo needs linebackers/pass rushers but their best at #10 right now looks like OT and WR - that seems to be the only place where need meets value. If they want good value on a pass rusher they should try to trade down.

Finsfan79
01-24-2012, 08:05 PM
With the rumors of miami switching possibly to a 4-3 I really wonder if we will look more at Coples then Upshall.

I think a defense of Cople and Wake on the outside and Starks and Odrick/langford on the inside could be deadly. We could have a top of pass rush which would immediately help our secondary and defense overall.

I expect them both to be at the top of our draft board along with Qbs and WRs for our top 10 pick.

Complex
01-24-2012, 08:19 PM
"North Carolina defensive end Quinton Coples was among the class of the South defense. Coples is a pass rush terror and had several clean wins in the Pit drills. He displayed up-field explosion and a decent variety of moves. On the down side, he was having some trouble getting off of run blocks against Cordy Glenn, but even in that respect he improved as practice progressed. These two players had great battles. There are still questions about this player's consistency, but if we use only today as a guide, Coples might be the highest selected player in town this week."

That sucks I wanted Coples to somehow drop to the titans.

How did Brian Quick look? another guy I want the titans to draft.

keylime_5
01-24-2012, 08:24 PM
With the rumors of miami switching possibly to a 4-3 I really wonder if we will look more at Coples then Upshall.

I think a defense of Cople and Wake on the outside and Starks and Odrick/langford on the inside could be deadly. We could have a top of pass rush which would immediately help our secondary and defense overall.

I expect them both to be at the top of our draft board along with Qbs and WRs for our top 10 pick.

If Miami moves to a 4-3 then Coples would be an awesome pick. Thing is Jacksonville would have to pass on him and they need a DE, and if Miami loses the coin toss to Carolina then I think Coples goes to them for sure.

Finsfan79
01-24-2012, 08:24 PM
That sucks I wanted Coples to somehow drop to the titans.

How did Brian Quick look? another guy I want the titans to draft.

I dont see him dropping but rising. Still perhaps the Titans could jump up to a team like Miami.

Finsfan79
01-24-2012, 08:26 PM
That sucks I wanted Coples to somehow drop to the titans.

How did Brian Quick look? another guy I want the titans to draft.

I dont see him dropping but rising. Still perhaps the Titans could jump up to a team like Miami.

stlouisfan37
01-24-2012, 08:28 PM
I would bet anything Coleman is drafted higher than Moore and Wright ahead of Edwards.

Honestly, you have to be blind to think Moore is better than Coleman or Edwards better than Wright.


I never said Jarius Wright was big, but Wright played in the best conference and has game breaking speed, and not a laundry list of injury problems like Edwards.

Hmmm...Darius Wright and Patrick Edwards both missed the same number of games the last 3 years...2. Patrick Edwards actually played in more games in his college career than Darius Wright.

Patrick Edwards put up fantastic numbers...291 receptions for 4510 yards and 43 tds. I don't care what conference you come from...you can't be a total stiff and have that kind of production.

And, quite frankly, these college all-star games aren't just about watching the best players from the big conferences. They're about watching the best players in the nation. Just because a guy doesn't come from the SEC or the Big 12 doesn't mean he can't play. I'm sure most of America never had heard of Chris Johnson before he turned pro.

Besides, is it not enough that we get the SEC shoved up our asses all season long? Now you think you should get every spot on the all-star rosters as well? The day that happens is the day I quit watching.

Finsfan79
01-24-2012, 08:29 PM
If Miami moves to a 4-3 then Coples would be an awesome pick. Thing is Jacksonville would have to pass on him and they need a DE, and if Miami loses the coin toss to Carolina then I think Coples goes to them for sure.

Agreed, I see a good chance that Jacksonville will take Coples unfortunately before Miami. If he looks this good and continues the trend he could rise even higher to the top few picks.

I wouldn't mind seeing Miami with him though. If not him then a top flight WR or QB should be our goal.

Big Bird
01-24-2012, 10:21 PM
Hmmm...Darius Wright and Patrick Edwards both missed the same number of games the last 3 years...2. Patrick Edwards actually played in more games in his college career than Darius Wright.

Patrick Edwards put up fantastic numbers...291 receptions for 4510 yards and 43 tds. I don't care what conference you come from...you can't be a total stiff and have that kind of production.

And, quite frankly, these college all-star games aren't just about watching the best players from the big conferences. They're about watching the best players in the nation. Just because a guy doesn't come from the SEC or the Big 12 doesn't mean he can't play. I'm sure most of America never had heard of Chris Johnson before he turned pro.

Besides, is it not enough that we get the SEC shoved up our asses all season long? Now you think you should get every spot on the all-star rosters as well? The day that happens is the day I quit watching.
So, your accusing me of suggestion that I want the all-star games to be all from AQ conferences in a post where I said an FCS quarterback should've been invited to the Senior Bowl over an FBS quarterback? Good luck with that accusation buddy...

Also, Patrick Edwards suffered an ugly broken leg and hasn't had the same speed or quickness since. Jarius Wright is a superior player, and when he gets called before Edwards on draft day, then it'll prove that NFL teams think the same.

Spaceboy1
01-25-2012, 12:45 AM
Also, Patrick Edwards suffered an ugly broken leg and hasn't had the same speed or quickness since. Jarius Wright is a superior player, and when he gets called before Edwards on draft day, then it'll prove that NFL teams think the same.

This couldn't be further from the truth on Edwards. He recovered 100% and came back stronger. He may not have size but he is a guy that could be good as a slot in the right system. I could see him in New England.

Spaceboy1
01-25-2012, 12:50 AM
laundry list of injury problems like Edwards.

Edwards broke his leg brutally against Marshall but has been injury free otherwise. Get your facts straight.

stlouisfan37
01-25-2012, 02:50 AM
So, your accusing me of suggestion that I want the all-star games to be all from AQ conferences in a post where I said an FCS quarterback should've been invited to the Senior Bowl over an FBS quarterback? Good luck with that accusation buddy...

Also, Patrick Edwards suffered an ugly broken leg and hasn't had the same speed or quickness since. Jarius Wright is a superior player, and when he gets called before Edwards on draft day, then it'll prove that NFL teams think the same.

I'm not accusing you of anything. In your original post you said something to the affect that you couldn't believe they chose two smaller players from smaller programs over two bigger players from bigger programs. One of your arguments for Wright getting the nod over Edwards was that he played in the "best conference." That insinuated (or at least I took it as an insinuation) that you don't feel that the smaller player from the smaller school deserves to be there. I gave you my argument for why he does deserve it. He has been highly productive over his entire career and hasn't had nearly the injury problems as you suggested. I don't think any player who plays and produces in 48 college games should be labeled a player who cannot stay healthy.

My argument wasn't even that Edwards is a better player or that he is more deserving. However, he is deserving because he played at a very high level throughout his career. And it isn't like he is so undersized that he would be the smallest player in the NFL. I believe he probably has a solid 20 pounds on Brandon Banks. Desean Jackson is around the same size, and he has been a heck of a player thus far in his career. Besides, they are two totally different types of players who will likely have very different roles at the next level. It's kind of like suggesting that this 3-4 linebacker should get chosen over that 4-3 DE.

I think what really rubbed me the wrong was was your suggestion that, because a guy you wanted to see in the game didn't get an invite, then we should have taken him and left the little guy behind. Why leave off the little guy? Why not leave off some stiff who is a big guy? There are plenty of guys in this game who will do nothing at the next level. There are every year. And there are a lot more of those "little guys" getting drafted and making NFL rosters every year. The discrepancy of talent isn't nearly as vast as you might think.

Something like 28% of the players drafted in the last 10 years have come from non-BCS schools. While that doesn't seem like all that much, 20 years ago it was only 22%. As time goes on, small schools are getting more visible and more of their players are making it at the next level. Will they ever fully catch up? Almost certainly not. However, they are making huge strides and every roster has players making strong contributions from small schools. At one point not too long ago, I believe in 2006, 13 of the league's 32 starting QB's on opening day were from small schools. I guess what I am getting at is...while the big schools have all the money and all the tv contracts and all the fanfare and publicity, they absolutely do not have all the talent and there is a lot of great football being played outside of the BCS.

SolidGold
01-25-2012, 08:03 AM
I'm not a huge Weeden fan due to his age but what I have seen so far - he is the best QB in Mobile. It's a shame he is so much older than regular prospects because he would probably be a mid round pick. After hearing reports and seeing him in action though I think he will be a 4-5th rounder.

Scouts Inc. (Todd McShay and his merry bunch of idiots) has said Kellen Moore had the best day of any QB yesterday but any other source I have read said he is the worst QB in Mobile. Slight frame, weak arm for the pro game etc. It's a shame because I loved him as a college QB, I don't think he will get drafted now though.


Wednesday is the biggest practice day for everyone. So far I would rank the QBs performance like this:

1. Weeden - best of the bunch
2. Cousins - has surprised with arm strength and zip
3. Wilson - inconsistent but makes some impressive throws/his size has killed draft stock IMO. You just don't draft 5'10 guys to be franchise QBs.
4. Lindley - looks the part but inconsistent
5. Foles - looks the part but not impressive in practice
6. Moore - great college QB but weak arm and slight frame

Shane P. Hallam
01-25-2012, 08:17 AM
1. Weeden - best of the bunch
2. Cousins - has surprised with arm strength and zip
3. Wilson - inconsistent but makes some impressive throws/his size has killed draft stock IMO. You just don't draft 5'10 guys to be franchise QBs.
4. Lindley - looks the part but inconsistent
5. Foles - looks the part but not impressive in practice
6. Moore - great college QB but weak arm and slight frame


I'd say Moore looked better than Wilson. Lindley by far the worst for me yesterday. I wasn't as impressed by Cousins as some. Nothing we haven't seen from him before. Wilson was really off target, as was Foles yesterday.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 10:11 AM
Anyone have any idea what time the televised practice is today? NFL Network is showing that it's supposed to be on now...but it clearly isn't haha.

EDIT: Never mind, just came on.

Hines
01-25-2012, 10:17 AM
I know that he's better suited in the 43, but can Mike Martin perform well at in a 34 at nose? He seems to have the motor and the determination to put the work in for that spot. He seems to me a lot like Chris Hoke, who is the classic overachiever who may be limited to start, but gives you everything he has and can start in a pinch.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 10:21 AM
I like what I see out of Donnie Fletcher so far. I'm not sure what position you put him at, but as a safety conversion guy he's interesting.

PossibleCabbage
01-25-2012, 10:25 AM
I really like what I've seen from Vinny Curry this week... but has anybody seen him play? Can he do anything other than rush the passer?

fear the elf
01-25-2012, 10:26 AM
What are other people seeing from Brewster? I thought on Monday he was getting pushed around by Martin a little bit, but yesterday I thought he looked a lot better, with a little nasty streak as well.

The thing is, both write ups from Scott are pretty negative; what are all of you seeing, since most/all of you have a better understanding of technique/schemes than I?

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 10:30 AM
Good play by Dennard there, but Wilson floated it too.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 10:32 AM
I think Brewster is a solid late 2nd round-top 4th round at worst type. I don't think he's dropping off the face of the Earth. I think the game will be more telling for him.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 10:35 AM
Martin is having a really good day again.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 10:36 AM
Brewster will go in round 2, probably high round two. These days you can't get quality centers that are sure to start from day one and start for 10 years any lower than that. I've heard reports saying he looks very good in drills and that he bested Mike Martin in one on ones on both Monday and Tuesday.

Martin is having a really good day again.

he was always impressive at Michigan, even on those terrible defenses his first three years. His trouble is that he doesn't disengage to get sacks very well, and he is too small to play in odd fronts, but he is a great fit as a 1 or 0 in an attacking 4-3 front.

WT01
01-25-2012, 10:36 AM
This North Oline is just getting manhandled. Nowhere for the RBs to go.

WT01
01-25-2012, 10:45 AM
I know that practice is way different than an actual game, but where the heck was this Ta'amu during the season? If he could ever become more consistent he could be an elite player at the next level.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 10:46 AM
How can olinemen not be able to snap the ball? WTF is up with ground balls? I'm a WR/CB so maybe I don't get it, but what the hell else do you practice? Put a damn plastic chair or something behind you and practice snapping stuff into it. How do you roll a shotgun snap?

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 10:49 AM
I know that practice is way different than an actual game, but where the heck was this Ta'amu during the season? If he could ever become more consistent he could be an elite player at the next level.

He's got a lot of potential, yeah. He's having a pretty decent week too. Combine that with his physical ability and you'll likely get a guy who is overdrafted a little bit. I'm not sure I like him as much as Phil Taylor last year, but he could go in the same range just because of how high the demand is for that position.


These North practices are pretty brutal collectively. There's a few guys standing out, but overall this isn't anywhere near as compelling as the South practices were yesterday with very few guys making plays.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 10:55 AM
I'm still just picturing Ta'amu's spin against Zeitler. Unfortunately my feed just went out and the TV coverage has been terrible. Any chance he can play a Shaun Rogers/Albert Haynesworth type role of oversized UT? Having him 1 on 1 against guards with that athleticism would be crazy.

Iamcanadian
01-25-2012, 12:04 PM
What are other people seeing from Brewster? I thought on Monday he was getting pushed around by Martin a little bit, but yesterday I thought he looked a lot better, with a little nasty streak as well.

The thing is, both write ups from Scott are pretty negative; what are all of you seeing, since most/all of you have a better understanding of technique/schemes than I?

I liked what I saw from Brewster but he has short 31" arms and that will hurt him at the next level.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Nick Mangold's arms are short too. Just saying.

fear the elf
01-25-2012, 12:20 PM
I liked what I saw from Brewster but he has short 31" arms and that will hurt him at the next level.

Yeah, longer arms would be better, but you can get away with it a little more at OG and OC.

I've never really thought much of him as a Buckeye fan, but seeing him in 1-on-1's where I can focus on him, I've been somewhat impressed...

Shane P. Hallam
01-25-2012, 12:35 PM
What are other people seeing from Brewster? I thought on Monday he was getting pushed around by Martin a little bit, but yesterday I thought he looked a lot better, with a little nasty streak as well.

Brewster had another rough day today. No strength in his butt and lower body. Was getting DRIVEN backwards every single rep in the Pit. He's on my Bottom 3 for the week so far IMO. Botched a few snaps as well each day.

A Perfect Score
01-25-2012, 12:35 PM
Brewster had another rough day today. No strength in his butt and lower body. Was getting DRIVEN backwards every single rep in the Pit. He's on my Bottom 3 for the week so far IMO. Botched a few snaps as well each day.

Jeez, that sounds rough. I've read dissenting opinions on Brewster so far, but this is by far the most critical.

fear the elf
01-25-2012, 12:39 PM
Brewster had another rough day today. No strength in his butt and lower body. Was getting DRIVEN backwards every single rep in the Pit. He's on my Bottom 3 for the week so far IMO. Botched a few snaps as well each day.

Hmm...I have no freaking clue what to think now. I'm with APS; I've heard something different from everybody on how he's performing.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 12:55 PM
I've heard he's been great from every where except JBond and Scott. Interesting to say the least.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 12:57 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/25/senior.bowl.practice.wednesday/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a3

- C Mike Brewster of Ohio State is having a tough go of it this morning. He was just beaten badly by Mike Martin of Michigan, who had been quiet most of the day. Brewster has been struggling to hold the point and continues to get pushed back off the line.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 01:00 PM
that is from today. i'm talking about from monday and tuesday. those were all glowing.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 01:04 PM
From what I've seen, I'm calling his Tuesday a 50/50. I think he was beaten on half and won half of his wars. A couple of his wins were very ugly with him being pretty off balanced which is why some people have him winning 3/4 or what not.

WT01
01-25-2012, 01:28 PM
Glad to hear that Polk supposedly had a better day. Better run for three TDs on Saturday, Chris!

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 01:34 PM
i think people don't realize that in pass-rushing drills, driving a guy backwards but not disengaging isn't beating the blocker. I think a lot of the discrepency comes from this. Brewster was 6-2 against Martin on Monday and Tuesday in these drills. 3-1 each day.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 01:39 PM
He's definitely not being confused with Osemele.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 01:51 PM
I'm with Shane on Brewster. I haven't gotten to see as much since I'm limited to what's on TV, but he's been beaten badly at times. Martin in paticular has just owned him in 1-1's. I'm not impressed at all. I'm pretty sure he even botched a few snaps.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 02:13 PM
I didn't watch any of the practice today, but based on what I saw on Monday and Tuesday in addition to reports from people who know what they are talking about, no one owned Brewster in 1 on 1s. Martin got some good push, but couldn't get off of the block (on 6 of the 8 times they faced apparently)

Prowler
01-25-2012, 02:53 PM
so, NFL network is showing Elway vs Young flag football game right now for me...it said coverage was supposed to start 23 mins ago..

ATLDirtyBirds
01-25-2012, 03:02 PM
so, NFL network is showing Elway vs Young flag football game right now for me...it said coverage was supposed to start 23 mins ago..


Same. I actually have a chance to watch today and was less than thrilled to see this ******** instead of the Senior Bowl at 330.

WT01
01-25-2012, 03:04 PM
Lol, Todd McShay: McShay on Kellen Moore: "He's been outstanding. Anticipation is as good as I've ever seen. ... I've been really impressed w/ Kellen Moore."

What a joke.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 03:22 PM
Shaun Rogers with 23 reps...

Big Bird
01-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Edwards broke his leg brutally against Marshall but has been injury free otherwise. Get your facts straight.
The Houston fan mad?

Prowler
01-25-2012, 03:31 PM
wcqVloclNNI

I really wish that whoever was in charge of the field maintenance at Marshall would have been fired for that.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 04:37 PM
Melvin Ingram's arms are god damn huge.

bornnraisedwhodat
01-25-2012, 04:47 PM
You guys think Cam Johnson will be available for the Saints at 59?

Prowler
01-25-2012, 04:48 PM
I see him potentially going to the Lions in the middle of the 2nd.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 04:50 PM
Tony Jerod Eddie is someone I really need to do some more homework on. Really seems to move well for a big guy. Very interested in what he's got to offer.

ElectricEye
01-25-2012, 05:10 PM
Criner has been really impressive in these two practices. His hands and body control appear to be top notch. Conversely, Fuller hasn't done much of anything to impress me. His hands look very questionable and he's not generating a whole ton of separation. Passes are hitting the ground most of the time when it's thrown his way.

EDIT:

Best play I've seen Jones make all week. Just ran straight by Janoris Jenkins.

Miaoww
01-25-2012, 05:38 PM
Chris Rainey is another guy I'd love the Panthers to draft. He's a playmaker and incredibly fast. Just got to find ways to get the ball in his hands.

49erNation85
01-25-2012, 05:39 PM
Lol, Todd McShay:

What a joke.


Don't be a hater. Listen to the man

armageddon
01-25-2012, 07:07 PM
If the Rams trade down and miss on Blackmon, I could see them taking WR Dwight Jones early rd 2

holt_bruce81
01-25-2012, 08:04 PM
If the Rams trade down and miss on Blackmon, I could see them taking WR Dwight Jones early rd 2

@jthom1 Jim Thomas

Here at Senior Bowl, Rams showing interest in North Carolina WR Dwight Jones, who's 6-4, 225 and a member of the South squad.

You might be right!

holt_bruce81
01-25-2012, 09:53 PM
Interesting that the rams talked to Upshaw today. Isn't he strictly a 3-4 linebacker?

ATLDirtyBirds
01-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Interesting that the rams talked to Upshaw today. Isn't he strictly a 3-4 linebacker?

He's versatile enough to play DE.

TACKLE
01-25-2012, 09:57 PM
He's versatile enough to play DE.

I actually almost prefer him as a 43 DE after watching him this week.

holt_bruce81
01-25-2012, 10:14 PM
I actually almost prefer him as a 43 DE after watching him this week.

Chris long, Robert Quinn and Courney Upshaw......kick Chris inside on passing downs. That could be scary.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 10:59 PM
He's versatile enough to play DE in 4-3 defenses, OLB in 3-4 defenses, plus even ILB in a 3-4, or SAM in a 4-3. I think a team could use him similar to how Denver uses Von Miller or Oakland uses Kam Wimbley in those 4-3 schemes. Very versatile guy, he's the type of prospect that coaches fall in love with on draft day despite his shortcomings in measurables.

Witten4HOF
01-25-2012, 11:11 PM
Chris long, Robert Quinn and Courney Upshaw......kick Chris inside on passing downs. That could be scary.

How would the Rams justify a 1st round pick on a situational pass rusher? Upshaw isn't even a consideration a a 4-3 linebacker because he doesn't have the type of range to consistantly run with TE/RB. So unless that Rams plan on kicking Chris Long inside permanently and run with an EXTEMELY undersized line the pick would be a total waste and shifting Long to undertackle would do nothing for a defense that ranked 31st overall against the run. St Louis would be better off targeting Ta'Amu or Chapman in later rounds to dictate a double in the middle and spring the pass rushers.

Witten4HOF
01-25-2012, 11:19 PM
He's versatile enough to play DE in 4-3 defenses, OLB in 3-4 defenses, plus even ILB in a 3-4, or SAM in a 4-3. I think a team could use him similar to how Denver uses Von Miller or Oakland uses Kam Wimbley in those 4-3 schemes. Very versatile guy, he's the type of prospect that coaches fall in love with on draft day despite his shortcomings in measurables.

Kam Wimbley ran a 4.6 at the combine and Von ran a 4.53, they were exceptional athletes for their size. Upshaw isnt nearly as fluid as either of those two listed and he would get dismantled as a SAM in a 4-3 when tasked to play in space. He is either a strong side OLB in a 3-4 or a LE in a 4-3 imo nothing else.

gpngc
01-25-2012, 11:50 PM
I think I like the South to win the game... best QB, better DL, Rainey/Adams/Criner/TEs. Better DBs. I wonder what the spread is going to be... I'd guess South -3.5.

Some random thoughts:

+Brewster can play center in the NFL right away.
+Quick, Reyes, and the corner Bentley. Nice. Especially Bentley. Overall, I think CB may be the strongest position in this class.
+Zebrie isn't the strongest guy but he's got some Duane Brown in him - I like his potential.
+Cordyz... beast. Can we 'z' a guard? The name just makes it so easy...
+Jaye Howard anyone? Damn. Overlooked and underrated.
+Janoris Jenkins has ideal quickness, footwork, and hips. A lot of Asante Samuel in him and in today's NFL, that makes him a first-round pick. If he falls to the second, it won't be that far, and will mean teams really do have character concerns with him.
+Can't wait to have a million debates about Weeden's age (I am vehemently against downgrading him a lot because of his age).

-Coples is not elite but with the lack of impact defensive players, his pure size/athleticism ratio might make still make him a top-15ish pick (and something DOES rub me the wrong way about his body language).
-Foles sucks.
-I don't know where I stand on Melvin Ingram yet. He looks good in 1-on-1's but on film he's just not that instinctive. I don't trust him standing up and I think he'd get eaten up as a RE.
-I thought Chris Polk could be a Matt Forte-like pick. Haven't seen/heard much except Lavonte David running him the **** over.

Prowler
01-26-2012, 07:09 AM
I want to call Polk, "Donald Brown".

the_dark_knight
01-26-2012, 07:53 AM
Wish there was a write up available for Wednesday =/ I always look forward to getting to read up on the day before's stuff cause I can't watch it.

Shane P. Hallam
01-26-2012, 08:17 AM
Wish there was a write up available for Wednesday =/ I always look forward to getting to read up on the day before's stuff cause I can't watch it.

Should be up within the hour

killxswitch
01-26-2012, 08:18 AM
You guys think Cam Johnson will be available for the Saints at 59?

Do you guys really need Cam Jordan AND Cam Johnson AND Will Smith? Is it because of Spags?

keylime_5
01-26-2012, 10:02 AM
Kam Wimbley ran a 4.6 at the combine and Von ran a 4.53, they were exceptional athletes for their size. Upshaw isnt nearly as fluid as either of those two listed and he would get dismantled as a SAM in a 4-3 when tasked to play in space. He is either a strong side OLB in a 3-4 or a LE in a 4-3 imo nothing else.

I think he might be fluid enough to play in space. I definitely think he can play inside linebacker in some 3-4 fronts. No doubt though his best role will be playing those two positions you listed.

TACKLE
01-26-2012, 10:03 AM
North practice moved inside because of rain so no NFLN coverage. :/

Bulldogs
01-26-2012, 10:16 AM
North practice moved inside because of rain so no NFLN coverage. :/

I was wondering. This repeat is ********.

Shane P. Hallam
01-26-2012, 12:06 PM
It will be inside tomorrow too. No more coverage on NFLN until Saturday I imagine.

ElectricEye
01-26-2012, 12:41 PM
Well, that wraps up the lamest Senior Bowl ever :(

Shane P. Hallam
01-26-2012, 12:42 PM
Well, that wraps up the lamest Senior Bowl ever :(

Tomorrow was already scheduled to be inside anyway. Today was just in shells. Tuesday/Wednesday the biggest hitters.

ElectricEye
01-26-2012, 01:02 PM
Still, I just wasn't really overly impressed with anything that went on this year. That might have been some of the coverage on NFL Network, but I feel like the talent level this year just wasn't the same as it has been in the past.

Some of the linemen had real good performances from what I saw, but the pass rushers weren't really challenging them very much either. The quarterback play didn't wow me at all either. None of those guys really helped themselves(with Lindley, Moore, and possibly Foles hurting themselves) and we didn't really get much out of the backs aside from Doug Martin. I came away disappointed with a lot of the receivers in spite of better than expected performances by Marvin Jones and TJ Graham. Dwight Jones and Brian Quick didn't do anything noteworthy, with Quick struggling a bit. Fuller looked awful and dropped everything thrown his way.

The defense was a little bit better, with Coples, Wolfe, Ingram, Curry, and Johnson showing up...but nothing really wowed me as much as some of the guys in the past have. I liked some of what I saw from Harrison Smith and Donnie Fletcher on the North defensive backs, but the rest of the group was very meh. Jenkins was a little up and down. I saw some stuff I really liked, but I saw guys run straight by him a few times as well. Martin seemed to help himself quite a bit, although there wasn't a whole lot of coverage of him on TV.

It just seemed like a down year overall, with fewer guys who look like they can be elite players than we're used to. It's a good thing we got all those underclassmen declaring, because the draft class really needed the help.

Prowler
01-26-2012, 01:07 PM
NFL Network was absolutely horrible with their coverage this year. Talking over drills, not accurately listing the time that they would show the South practice yesterday, showing too much of these crappy QBs in group drills without clean commentary on who else was actually on the field at the time, and cutting away from quality 1-1 stuff to commercials at the worst possible times.

ElectricEye
01-26-2012, 01:12 PM
They totally blew it. Totally. It was bad last year and you could see that they were leaning towards making it more of a "draft special", but they really dove down in head first towards that direction this year. It's a shame since I really remember it being quality stuff a few years back.

draftguru151
01-26-2012, 04:30 PM
+Jaye Howard anyone? Damn. Overlooked and underrated.

Don't get why he was overlooked so much. Don't think Scott even had him ranked until recently. Very good athlete, good size, really versatile. Him and Easley were the top DT duo in the country this year.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-26-2012, 04:43 PM
They totally blew it. Totally. It was bad last year and you could see that they were leaning towards making it more of a "draft special", but they really dove down in head first towards that direction this year. It's a shame since I really remember it being quality stuff a few years back.


Yes. And who do they seriously think is watching this? It's not the common fan.

Scott Wright
01-26-2012, 05:02 PM
Don't get why he was overlooked so much. Don't think Scott even had him ranked until recently. Very good athlete, good size, really versatile. Him and Easley were the top DT duo in the country this year.

Howard has been in the rankings since the re-launch, steadily in the mid-teens I believe.

draftguru151
01-26-2012, 05:10 PM
I'm half blind so I probably just missed him. (not really just dumb)

holt_bruce81
01-26-2012, 05:14 PM
How has Michael Egnew been looking today?

49erNation85
01-26-2012, 06:18 PM
Dam I missed it today :(

Prowler
01-26-2012, 06:21 PM
Trust me, you missed absolutely nothing. There were tornado warnings and practice was pretty much cancelled.

Miaoww
01-26-2012, 06:53 PM
They totally blew it. Totally. It was bad last year and you could see that they were leaning towards making it more of a "draft special", but they really dove down in head first towards that direction this year. It's a shame since I really remember it being quality stuff a few years back.

Yep the coverage was crap this year.

We tune in to see these kids perform drills - not so much the agility ones, but definitely the pit drills/running (and covering) routes etc.

Instead they cut to adverts every five minutes and focus on the ONE player that is standing there looking on waiting for his turn to run the drill. It's like they intentionally wanted to piss people off.

PossibleCabbage
01-26-2012, 07:40 PM
NFLN's combine coverage recently has been slipping too. They barely show anything beyond the positional drills and the 40 yard dash.

killxswitch
01-26-2012, 07:53 PM
NFLN's combine coverage recently has been slipping too. They barely show anything beyond the positional drills and the 40 yard dash.

It's just lowest-common-denominator ********.

ElectricEye
01-26-2012, 08:19 PM
Instead they cut to adverts every five minutes and focus on the ONE player that is standing there looking on waiting for his turn to run the drill. It's like they intentionally wanted to piss people off.

That was the most infuriating part. I watched a whole lot of Kellen Moore standing around while actual NFL prospects were doing something. Worst off, I'm pretty sure I saw a picture and picture of Kellen Moore standing around while they had some kind of ranking while actual stuff is going on. We have like a billion specials leading up to the draft. We tune it to see the players do stuff, not to see the rankings they're going to rehash eight billion times. Don't get me wrong, that stuff has it's place and they can work it in...but you're absolutely right. The way they did it almost seemed like they were intentionally trying to make people mad.

Dark Knight01
01-27-2012, 03:11 PM
NFL Network was absolutely horrible with their coverage this year. Talking over drills, not accurately listing the time that they would show the South practice yesterday, showing too much of these crappy QBs in group drills without clean commentary on who else was actually on the field at the time, and cutting away from quality 1-1 stuff to commercials at the worst possible times.



Agreed. The quality of the NFLN coverage this year was weak.

They were talking over drills and they didn't show enough drills.

They made too many cuts fron good 1-1 stuff also.

WTF NFLN? You don't want viewers to scout these Senior prospects either?

fenikz
01-27-2012, 06:18 PM
Does Whis just never talk to players or do you guys not know what he looks like :(

Never get any inside info on the Cardinals

Ness
01-27-2012, 06:26 PM
Marvin Jones seems like an Issac Bruce clone in terms of build. I wonder if he'll be able to get separation in the NFL though. Wouldn't mind the 49ers taking a chance on him. I heard he's been impressive at the Senior Bowl, but I'm guessing he goes in the late rounds.

PossibleCabbage
01-27-2012, 07:07 PM
Does Whis just never talk to players or do you guys not know what he looks like :(

Never get any inside info on the Cardinals

Some teams just play things close to the vest. For example, there's probably no GM who personally scouts harder for the draft than Green Bay's Ted Thompson, but the Packers are rarely, if ever, get linked to any specific players in the pre-draft run-up.

So just because Scott can't identify any obvious interest by a team doesn't mean there isn't any, it just means that either Scott didn't see it or it didn't take place where it could have been seen.

There's honestly no benefit to the team by having their interest in a player reported, so feel good when your team isn't linked to specific players, instead of feeling bad.

Shane P. Hallam
01-27-2012, 09:28 PM
Does Whis just never talk to players or do you guys not know what he looks like :(

Never get any inside info on the Cardinals

We had a picture of him talking to a prospect last year.

Cardinals just don't go on the field afterwards and sit pretty far up in the stands.

Sat near them during the weigh-in though, tweeted some stuff there.

TitanHope
01-27-2012, 10:44 PM
Stoked about Malik Jackson getting the late invite. I think he's every bit the caliber of player Robert Ayers was, especially on the field at UT, and hopefully he'll improve his stock like Ayers did as well. I've been hoping the Titans nab him in the 4th, but I'd also die to see what he could do as a 5-tech in a scheme like Wade Phillips's 1-gap 3-4, providing he bulks up a little bit more.

How did he look compared to the other DE's? He always looked long and lean out there. Tennessee is usually pretty accurate with their listings so I'm assuming 6'5 is correct, but I'm not sure if he's bulked up for the draft process or if he's staying between 270-280 lbs.

Babylon
01-28-2012, 12:01 PM
Marvin Jones seems like an Issac Bruce clone in terms of build. I wonder if he'll be able to get separation in the NFL though. Wouldn't mind the 49ers taking a chance on him. I heard he's been impressive at the Senior Bowl, but I'm guessing he goes in the late rounds.

You have to remember most people in here dont even know who Isaac Bruce is. At least you didnt say John Taylor.

A Perfect Score
01-28-2012, 12:05 PM
You have to remember most people in here dont even know who Isaac Bruce is. At least you didnt say John Taylor.

Who doesn't know how Isaac Bruce is? I used to ruin Madden 2001 with Isaac Bruce.

Babylon
01-28-2012, 12:13 PM
Who doesn't know how Isaac Bruce is? I used to ruin Madden 2001 with Isaac Bruce.

Everyone in here in their early twenties, which i assume is half the crowd.

A Perfect Score
01-28-2012, 12:15 PM
Everyone in here in their early twenties, which i assume is half the crowd.

I'm in my early 20's...

thefridge15
01-28-2012, 01:39 PM
Any better way to watch the Senior Bowl for those without NFLN than live streaming?

Lil Quip
01-28-2012, 02:14 PM
I am interested to hear who really helped themselves this week and who really hurt themselves.

It will be interesting to see how many draft round grades people rose or dropped.

As a CT guy, Kendall Reyes playing well by most accounts is a double edged sword. Now we can't target him in the middle of the draft apparently. I think he will get a look by 3-4 and 4-3 teams by showing good quickness and POA stoutness plus he was a team captain, which is huge positive for many teams.

Bulldogs
01-28-2012, 02:20 PM
I'll try to give some updates on how I think some players are doing in the game.

ElectricEye
01-28-2012, 03:10 PM
Pretty good start for Joe Adams there before that happened. Ouch.

4U2NV
01-28-2012, 03:13 PM
Chris Polk needs to have a great game today to rebuild his stock.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-28-2012, 03:14 PM
Coples just got destroyed.

ElectricEye
01-28-2012, 03:16 PM
Wilson can't miss that type of throw. McNutt had a few steps on Boykin.

JRTPlaya21
01-28-2012, 03:19 PM
Oh the irony of Weeden throwing to Smelley.

sbh15
01-28-2012, 03:25 PM
i'm interested in seeing how chris rainey does in that slot receiver role

ATLDirtyBirds
01-28-2012, 03:28 PM
Lol, fat kicker.

ElectricEye
01-28-2012, 03:32 PM
Wilson is hurting himself pretty badly.

iowatreat54
01-28-2012, 03:33 PM
Back to back amazing passes by Russell Wilson...

ATLDirtyBirds
01-28-2012, 03:34 PM
Ta'amu looking good.

4U2NV
01-28-2012, 03:35 PM
Some pretty uninspired football thus far. This game is sorely lacking some of the offensive stars that pulled out.

SolidGold
01-28-2012, 03:35 PM
I think Wilson is probably no more than a late round pick now. That last INT was a poorly thrown ball. His size hurts him too.

ElectricEye
01-28-2012, 03:36 PM
Bad throw by Weeden too. The overall level of quarterback play from what I saw in practices was horrible.

TACKLE
01-28-2012, 03:36 PM
Nice pressure by Curry on that INT.

iowatreat54
01-28-2012, 03:36 PM
I think Wilson is probably no more than a late round pick now. That last INT was a poorly thrown ball. His size hurts him too.

The first down pass was a poorly thrown ball. The INT was a poorly thrown ball on a terrible decision. No way he should go above the 6th round imo, especially with his size.

norcalgsr
01-28-2012, 03:37 PM
Chris Polk needs to have a great game today to rebuild his stock.

Anyone who was down on him for poor "practice" this week should be looking into a different career.

ElectricEye
01-28-2012, 03:38 PM
Bad throw by Wilson again there. Robinson bailed him out. Could have easily have been picked with better coverage.