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onejayhawk
01-22-2012, 03:53 PM
When he was taken top 10, a lot of people blinked. However, it has proven a good pick.

Who would be candidates for a similar rise? To qualify, they have to be considered 2nd day material, be taken top half of the 1st round, and be worth it.

J

holt_bruce81
01-22-2012, 03:57 PM
Why does there have to be one?

Jerel Worthy maybe?

DeepThreat
01-22-2012, 03:59 PM
He's not considered a second-day pick, but I think Fletcher Cox could end up in the top 10.

ChiFan24
01-22-2012, 04:04 PM
Are we sure Alualu was a good pick?

rfc17
01-22-2012, 04:22 PM
Alualu had a great rookie season. played w/ a knee injury all year this season. too early to say it was a good or bad pick.

I dont know that there has to be a guy that goes from late 1st/early 2nd all the way to the top 10. But to play along, how bout Tannehill? Although I dont know he'll be worth it.

Mitchell
01-22-2012, 05:40 PM
What are you talking about, Mayock totally expected/predicted the Alualu pick. ;)

bored of education
01-22-2012, 05:42 PM
Poe or Cox? Maybe?

Matthew Jones
01-22-2012, 05:42 PM
Kendall Wright might end up going that high.

FUNBUNCHER
01-22-2012, 05:47 PM
Kendall Wright might end up going that high.

My thoughts too.

ChiFan24
01-22-2012, 06:51 PM
Kendall Wright might end up going that high.

I thought so, but no Senior Bowl is going to hurt.

bigbuc
01-22-2012, 07:02 PM
Zach Brown... When this guy runs in the 4.5's he'll fly up the draft.

Bengalsrocket
01-22-2012, 07:50 PM
Alualu had a great rookie season. played w/ a knee injury all year this season. too early to say it was a good or bad pick.

I dont know that there has to be a guy that goes from late 1st/early 2nd all the way to the top 10. But to play along, how bout Tannehill? Although I dont know he'll be worth it.

Almost the exact same situation I think.

McCoy and Suh went off the board, back to back and all the sudden anyone who wanted a DT (the Jaguars in this case) entered desperation mode and was forced to reach on a guy like Alualu.

After Luck and RG3 go, anyone who needs a QB will be forced into a similar desperation mode and be forced to reach on Tannehill.

FUNBUNCHER
01-23-2012, 09:01 AM
I want to see SC's Melvin Ingram show at around 260# at the combine and really put up some impressive times.

He could be the first OLB off the board, possibly a top 15 pick.

onejayhawk
01-23-2012, 10:17 AM
Almost the exact same situation I think.

McCoy and Suh went off the board, back to back and all the sudden anyone who wanted a DT (the Jaguars in this case) entered desperation mode and was forced to reach on a guy like Alualu.

After Luck and RG3 go, anyone who needs a QB will be forced into a similar desperation mode and be forced to reach on Tannehill.

I know of several people that had Tannehill mocked top 15. He would not be a shock, even with the injury. Kendall Wright that high, in this WR crop, would be. Poe does fit the bill. I see him more as a latter 1st round pick, but he could jump up.

J

nepg
01-23-2012, 10:55 AM
Why does there have to be one?

Jerel Worthy maybe?
Because the two teams notorious for making such picks are in the Top 10 again (JAX & BUF).

nepg
01-23-2012, 10:57 AM
Kendall Wright might end up going that high.
Yeah, but not many people have him as a second round prospect at this point like Alualu was...

DiG
01-23-2012, 11:07 AM
Really hard to anticipate these picks without being in the interview room and having access to the resources that nfl team scouts do. With that said, a couple of "day 2" prospects right now that I like would be Bruce Irvin, Chase Minnifield, and Dwayne Allen.

the_dark_knight
01-23-2012, 11:13 AM
I really get sick of the "this year's X" threads. It's like, there's not one of those every year. Al Davis is dead so you hopefully will see much better drafting from the Raiders, that eliminates that portion of the equation. But it's not like every year there's someone who's going to be like Alualu. He came in had a great rookie year, played hurt on a poor team this year so declined a bit statistically, but he's a good player.

He was severely undervalued by draftniks, personally I had him in the first round anyway, not top 10 but I had him top 20 for me. He fits so well in so many schemes and he's got all the tools to get even better. He showed far more consistency to me than some of the other DTs people were talking about Brian Price for instance, who always is on the ground playing with poor balance and leverage. Alu has proven already that he was worth the pick.

Would you like to see him recover and have quite a few more big years, absolutely, but truthfully if it weren't for Suh you'd have heard more about him. Plus J-Ville gets no media love at all. I think in a re-draft they'd be happy to get him in the same position.

patriots21
01-23-2012, 11:23 AM
Kendall Wright might end up going that high.
A lot of mocks have Wright going to the Jags, so it wouldn't be very unexpected.

RWills
01-23-2012, 02:14 PM
Kendall Wright might end up going that high.

I agree totally, legit speed WR fly up the charts the night before the draft.

Jax will make him top 10

PossibleCabbage
01-23-2012, 02:26 PM
I agree totally, legit speed WR fly up the charts the night before the draft.

I don't think anybody has ever "flown up a draft board the night before the draft." Generally, in the business, draft boards are finished before the combine, revised after the combine, and then re-revised in the intervening weeks. Generally, the trend is for guys to move closer to their pre-combine position during the draft-lead up.

"Flying up draft boards" is just media speak for "we are getting new information from reliable sources" not actually an indication of teams changing their mind.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if there are teams who already have Kendall Wright as a top 10 prospect (at least one team probably has him above Blackmon).

Leon Sandcastle
01-24-2012, 02:24 PM
Vinny Curry.

A Perfect Score
01-24-2012, 02:30 PM
Vinny Curry.

I'll take Bruce Irvin 10/10 times over Curry. I think Irvin makes a huge jump on draft day...Could go Top 15-20 all things considered.

TACKLE
01-24-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm not sure why people are naming guys who are pretty much consensus first rounders right now.

A 2nd/3rd round prospect who could be a solid first round pick....I could see Derek Wolfe possibly being that guy for a 34 team looking for a proven 5-tech.


*hindsight edit on a bumped thread: nope, not wolfe. was reaching too much on that one.

Abaddon
01-24-2012, 03:36 PM
When he was taken top 10, a lot of people blinked. However, it has proven a good pick.

Who would be candidates for a similar rise? To qualify, they have to be considered 2nd day material, be taken top half of the 1st round, and be worth it.

J

Who had Alualu as a 2nd day pick? lolthem

descendency
01-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Who had Alualu as a 2nd day pick? lolthem

Most everyone had him as a high 2nd rounder.

Abaddon
01-24-2012, 03:55 PM
Further proof that TV and internet scouts are kinda clueless.

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 04:18 PM
Most everyone had him as a high 2nd rounder.

Actually, I don't think the "high second round" tier exists, since basically anybody who grades out as a "high second round pick" could easily go in the 20s depending on a schematic fit and team needs.

Personally, I would say the talent tiers are: Elite, high 1st round, late 1st and high-mid 2nd round, mid-late 2nd and 3rd round, 4th and 5th round, Late round, Priority Free Agent.

This seems, to me at least, to actually correspond to where where there's a noticeable drop in talent most years. It's rare that the guy who's chosen, say 26th is significantly higher calibre than the guy who's chosen, say, 36th.

So Alualu wasn't really a guy who rocketed from the second round to the top 10, so much as he was a guy who went from the 3rd tier to the 2nd tier.

TheFinisher
01-24-2012, 05:50 PM
Zach Brown... When this guy runs in the 4.5's he'll fly up the draft.

Am I the only one who when watching Zach Brown sees 1st Round athletic abililty but late round tackling and read/reaction skills?

onejayhawk
01-24-2012, 07:19 PM
Actually, I don't think the "high second round" tier exists, since basically anybody who grades out as a "high second round pick" could easily go in the 20s depending on a schematic fit and team needs.

Personally, I would say the talent tiers are: Elite, high 1st round, late 1st and high-mid 2nd round, mid-late 2nd and 3rd round, 4th and 5th round, Late round, Priority Free Agent.

This seems, to me at least, to actually correspond to where where there's a noticeable drop in talent most years. It's rare that the guy who's chosen, say 26th is significantly higher calibre than the guy who's chosen, say, 36th.

So Alualu wasn't really a guy who rocketed from the second round to the top 10, so much as he was a guy who went from the 3rd tier to the 2nd tier.

Based on your vague description, I would have to say that he jumped two tiers, or close to it. In that draft #10 might be considered elite. At the least he jumped a full tier, not just moved from one to the next.

J

onejayhawk
01-24-2012, 07:20 PM
Am I the only one who when watching Zach Brown sees 1st Round athletic abililty but late round tackling and read/reaction skills?

see Burfict, Vontaze.

J

PossibleCabbage
01-24-2012, 07:37 PM
Based on your vague description, I would have to say that he jumped two tiers, or close to it. In that draft #10 might be considered elite. At the least he jumped a full tier, not just moved from one to the next.

J

I don't think there has ever been an NFL draft where the "elite" tier consisted of 10 players in the pre-draft run-up. Usually the "elite" tier is about 4 guys.

Babylon
01-24-2012, 07:37 PM
I'm not sure why people are naming guys who are pretty much consensus first rounders right now.

A 2nd/3rd round prospect who could be a solid first round pick....I could see Derek Wolfe possibly being that guy for a 34 team looking for a proven 5-tech.

Certainly not top 10 but he could slip into the first if he tears it up at the combine.

SenorGato
01-25-2012, 01:53 AM
Vinny Curry.

Have to agree with this really red guy. I think Curry is going to be a stud until I'm wrong about it.

Shane P. Hallam
03-08-2012, 09:34 PM
Who had Alualu as a 2nd day pick? lolthem

Nearly everyone had him as 2nd-3rd rounder.

gpngc
03-09-2012, 12:45 AM
My ideas of very surprising picks:

Michael Floyd over Blackmon (maybe 6th to STL).

Cordy Glenn 11th overall to KC.

Coby Fleener 15th to Philly (or 18th to Chicago).

Mychal Kendricks could be a surprise first-round pick. I doubt top-10.

And Stephon Gilmore could be a surprise pick top-20 pick and go over Kirkpatrick. Maybe even as high as 9th to Carolina, 10th to Buffalo, 12th to Seattle, or 14th to Dallas.

Surprise first-rounders:

Brandon Weeden
Chris Givens
Brandon Washington
Nick Toon
Brock Oseweiler

ChiFan24
03-09-2012, 01:06 AM
The Jaguars will probably do something stupid with that pick, it's just impossible to figure out what that is. Maybe Mercilus.

phlysac
03-09-2012, 03:34 PM
Merge threads?

RaiderNation
03-20-2012, 08:58 PM
Reports saying the Jags had a private workout with LSU DT Michael Brockers. Fits as the NT in their defensive scheme, and they are known to reach for players. I could see the Jags thinking about trading up for Blackmon, but if they stay at 7 they will pick Brockers/Coples/Ingram.

JohnCandy
03-23-2012, 01:46 PM
Could Bobby Massie be the guy who jumps from 2nd round pick to top 20 selection.

If he can play LT I could see some team pickinghim early.

cajuncorey
03-23-2012, 02:21 PM
see Burfict, Vontaze.

J

vontaze has undrafted speed and reaction skills, 1st round tackleing

cajuncorey
03-23-2012, 02:23 PM
also weeden at 22 makes sense

RWills
03-23-2012, 08:23 PM
Chandler Jones - top 20

Cox and Mercilus - Top 10

BearTooth
03-24-2012, 10:00 AM
As my first post here, I'm going to say Stephen Gilmore.

SenorGato
03-24-2012, 10:27 AM
Could Bobby Massie be the guy who jumps from 2nd round pick to top 20 selection.

If he can play LT I could see some team pickinghim early.

Yeah another really good candidate.

Anyone surprised by Fletcher Cox in the top 12 is cray.

RWills
03-24-2012, 11:30 AM
As my first post here, I'm going to say Stephen Gilmore.

Second corner taken

BearTooth
03-24-2012, 12:21 PM
The reason I think Gilmore could surprise people in where he's taken is because he's going to appeal to every team in the NFL. Man teams, press teams, zone teams, teams who like bigger, more physical corners who can tackle. His cover and ball skills are not elite like Claiborne, but he might be more "well-rounded" than him. And he doesn't have the issues that Kirkpatrick has.

onejayhawk
03-24-2012, 01:59 PM
vontaze has undrafted speed and reaction skills, 1st round tackleing
Hitting maybe, His tackling is mediocre.

also weeden at 22 makes sense
Too much sense to fit here. I have mocked him there for weeks.

As my first post here, I'm going to say Stephen Gilmore.
This one works. Gilmore in the top half definitely would shock a lot of people.

J