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TACKLE
01-25-2012, 03:29 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/25/source-pagano-to-coach-colts/

damn.

I will say that I think Indy is getting a very good coach. He did an excellent job with our defense and is really a guy the players speak highly of. That'll now be the 6th defensive coach to leave the Ravens to become a head coach in the last decade. I'm assuming/hoping we once again promote someone from within to be our new DC.

TitanHope
01-25-2012, 03:33 PM
I just saw this on NFLN and immediately thought, "Poor Tackle..."

I wonder if he'll hybridize the Colts defense, which would probably require the Colts to be big time players in FA.

Sloopy
01-25-2012, 03:35 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... This really sucks and is a definite set back in making another run.

Not that we can't, but it makes it all the more hard.

This is a good pick up for the Colts, should have the defense turned around rather quickly

TACKLE
01-25-2012, 03:41 PM
I just saw this on NFLN and immediately thought, "Poor Tackle..."

I wonder if he'll hybridize the Colts defense, which would probably require the Colts to be big time players in FA.

I appreciate your condolences sir.

I would be surprised if tried to convert them to a 3-4. Him running a 34 had more to do with the Ravens and the players and the system in place more so than it was about him being a 3-4 guy. Personnel wise, the Colts really aren't built at all to run a 34 so I kind of doubt he would to force that change.

Jughead10
01-25-2012, 03:44 PM
I appreciate your condolences sir.

I would be surprised if tried to convert them to a 3-4. Him running a 34 had more to do with the Ravens and the players and the system in place more so than it was about him being a 3-4 guy. Personnel wise, the Colts really aren't built at all to run a 34 so I kind of doubt he would to force that change.

Agreed. Pagano is a Butch Davis guy. He followed Davis around everywhere and then came to Baltimore when crap hit the fan at UNC.

My gf's mother is an interior designer and just either finished redoing Pagano's house or is still in the process but almost done. And now he has to move. I guess he's used to it though.

ChiFan24
01-25-2012, 03:50 PM
Jarret Johnson = Colt in 2012.

Complex
01-25-2012, 03:51 PM
I was hoping for a Mike Sherman, Jim Tressel or Brad Childress for the Colts. Idk if Childress or Sherman interviewed for the job, I'm just saying that type of coach.

ChiFan24
01-25-2012, 03:52 PM
I was hoping for a Mike Sherman, Jim Tressel or Brad Childress for the Colts. Idk if Childress or Sherman interviewed for the job, I'm just saying that type of coach.

So....boring?

tjsunstein
01-25-2012, 03:53 PM
Should be interesting to see what they do post Andrew Luck. Is this good or bad news for Jerry Hughes? Robert Mathis' contract is up, does he fit Pagano's D?

CashmoneyDrew
01-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Surprised they didn't go with an offensive guy to pair with Luck.

Jughead10
01-25-2012, 04:03 PM
Pagano seems to have a keen eye for secondary players. That should be a welcomed change in Indy.

indyfan1985
01-25-2012, 04:09 PM
Ok so Ravens fans, is this guy a good players coach guy? Is he pretty creative with his hybrid defenses? Is he strictly a 3-4 guy or has he done 4-3.

indyfan1985
01-25-2012, 04:11 PM
Should be interesting to see what they do post Andrew Luck. Is this good or bad news for Jerry Hughes? Robert Mathis' contract is up, does he fit Pagano's D?

I think this will only bring out the best of both Mathis and Hughes. I think Mathis will be back. Freeney could possibly be traded or have his contract reduced/reworked. But Mathis fits the Terrell Suggs position best out of all the Colts current players.

SuperPacker
01-25-2012, 04:13 PM
I really like this move by the Colts. Get in someone with a winning mentality and that will focus on defense. How much of a motivator is this guy though? Is he like a Mike Tomlin or more of a Mike McCarthy?

Prowler
01-25-2012, 04:13 PM
Ok so Ravens fans, is this guy a good players coach guy? Is he pretty creative with his hybrid defenses? Is he strictly a 3-4 guy or has he done 4-3.

I asked the Ravens team forum for thoughts on his scheme.

If you guys had to define him, is Chuck Pagano a 43 coach or 34? Or was he just keeping the well oiled machine running smoothly and not sure what he'll bring to the Colts?

I would say that he was keeping the machine running smoothly and I don't think he has a specific preference as he's run both. I would say his defining feature as a coordinator was how aggressive he was and how well the defense got after the quarterback. Not quite Rex but close.
He's neither. His style defines him and that's aggressive and versatile.


I would be surprised if he tried to convert them to a 3-4. Him running a 34 had more to do with the Ravens and the players and the system in place more so than it was about him being a 3-4 guy. Personnel wise, the Colts really aren't built at all to run a 34 so I kind of doubt he would to force that change.

keylime_5
01-25-2012, 04:14 PM
Surprised they didn't go with an offensive guy to pair with Luck.

I figure if Luck turns out to be a great QB, getting an offensive coordinator isn't as big of a deal as finding a guy to run the defense. The great QBs (aaron rodgers, drew brees, peyton manning, tom brady, eli manning) are pretty much their own offensive coordinators these days. Tony Dungy's defensive mind paired with Peyton Manning worked really well, as does Belichick with Brady and Coughlin with Eli.

The Colts should hire a great offensive mind to coach Luck for at least his first few years though.

Jughead10
01-25-2012, 04:14 PM
Ok so Ravens fans, is this guy a good players coach guy? Is he pretty creative with his hybrid defenses? Is he strictly a 3-4 guy or has he done 4-3.

What from I can see, he is a players coach. I know for a fact he had a theater put in at his house and he'd have all the players over to watch film/other games etc.

He coached under Butch Davis most of his career, The U, Browns, and UNC. So he doesn't seem to be tied to the 3-4. He also recruited a ton of big time NFL players while at Miami.

I'd also list the progress of Webb has something he had a huge hand in. He is an underrated stud. And should be a FA probably after next season. Maybe someone Indy could target.

Ravens1991
01-25-2012, 04:25 PM
Pagano is a good guy but we have been through this before im sure the D will be next season. The only time we lost a DC that hurt us was when we lost Rex because we ended up with Mattison who was the worst DC I have ever seen.

diabsoule
01-25-2012, 04:34 PM
My thoughts on the hiring are these:

1) I felt that the Colts needed to hire a defensive minded head coach. Their defense has been awful for years and needs a complete makeover. Pagano has the kind of tough, hard-nosed approach that can change the entire demeanor of that side of the ball. There are pieces in place for him and should help them at least become competent on defense.

2) The track record of former Baltimore Ravens that have become head coaches is below average. The list of former Ravens assistants (including DC's) that have become head coaches is even worse.

Mike Singletary (LB coach)18-22
Mike Smith (DA/DL/LB) 43-21
Jack Del Rio (LB coach) 68-71
Marvin Lewis (DC) 69-74
Mike Nolan (DC) 18-37
Rex Ryan (DC) 28-20
Total – 115-131 (just the defensive coordinators)
Total - 244-245 (combined)

3) One name to keep an eye on for the offensive coordinator position is Hue Jackson. Pagano and Jackson worked on the same staff together from 2008-2009 and helped the Ravens become a better offensive unit. Jackson could have complete control of the offense while Pagano works on the defense. It could work. The offensive coordinator will ultimately decide how successful Pagano is and a hire of Jackson as the OC would be a person Pagano could trust to handle the offense.

Prowler
01-25-2012, 04:36 PM
I'm still wondering how the OC will work, because Irsay didn't fire Clyde Christensen initially. I'm wondering if keeping him around is part of the deal.

niel89
01-25-2012, 04:44 PM
I'm so bummed out by this news. We have to suffer through Mattison for a couple years and then only get Pagano for 1 year at DC. He will adapt what front he plays according to the players he has. We play a 3-4 because the personnel fits.

A Perfect Score
01-25-2012, 05:12 PM
Boo. As if I needed another reason to hate Indy. Pagano is a stud hire though, they made the right decision, considering who else was on their list of candidates. I'm sad to see him go after only one season, but he's moving on to bigger things. I wonder who we replace him with?

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-25-2012, 05:39 PM
Im hoping for Clarence Brooks but the word is that it'll be Dean Pees

bored of education
01-25-2012, 05:48 PM
Jerry Hughes Will Have 16 Sacks Next Year!

indyfan1985
01-25-2012, 07:32 PM
I'm still wondering how the OC will work, because Irsay didn't fire Clyde Christensen initially. I'm wondering if keeping him around is part of the deal.

Im sure Irsay just kept him around because he knew he was hiring a defensive minded HC and he will allow the HC to either choose to keep him or find a better candidate for OC.

Nalej
01-25-2012, 08:35 PM
Im hoping for Clarence Brooks but the word is that it'll be Dean Pees

haha, u better hope not

Brent
01-25-2012, 08:46 PM
a Ravens DC using the #1 pick on a QB, STOP ME IF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE, Alex Smith!

RagingColt
01-25-2012, 09:04 PM
I'm still wondering how the OC will work, because Irsay didn't fire Clyde Christensen initially. I'm wondering if keeping him around is part of the deal.

Clyde along with the other lame duck 2011 Indy coaches should be canned. We saw w/out Manning that Christensen could not adapt the offense to work with the people we had. Granted it was Painter and Olov, but still the production was crummy.

eaglesalltheway
01-26-2012, 09:57 AM
Ha, a guy I know posted a status saying how Pagano was a terrible choice and the Colts shouldn't have fired Caldwell, defending Caldwell as a "good coach". Needless to say, I ranted on him over that one. So what does he reply with...? "Well I wasn't familiar with Caldwell anyway" ...*****, why talk about **** you don't know, and then admit it when your called out on it?!?

descendency
01-26-2012, 10:04 AM
a Ravens DC using the #1 pick on a QB, STOP ME IF YOU HAVE HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE, Alex Smith!

So you're saying Nick Foles will be #1 overall and Andrew Luck will fall to 23rd?

Smooth Criminal
01-26-2012, 10:11 AM
How many times have we seen the Ravens defense survive losing a coordinator? I'm sure they'll be fine.

As to the Colts, I think it's a great hire and he can build a solid defense to go with Luck and Manning. He's set up for success.

killxswitch
01-26-2012, 10:16 AM
I'll admit Pagano was not my first choice. I wanted Zimmer. But Zim must be a real asshole because his name keeps floating around but nobody wants to give him a shot. The more I hear about Pags the more I like him.

I don't expect anywhere near a complete conversion to a 3-4. However, I do expect to see Robert Mathis re-sign because he is apparently very excited about the new HC. And I expect to see guys like him, Freeney, and Mathis used more creatively.

I expect us to draft Alameda Ta'amu to play the Ngata role in the new defense. Him and Nevis at DT should be nasty. Note that I am not saying Ta'amu will be as good as Ngata, just that he'd have a similar role.

Any chance the Colts take on any Baltimore free agents? Webb is restricted so probably not him. Maybe Ben Grubbs? Balt just paid Yanda a big chunk and they need to re-sign Ray Rice. Can they afford Grubbs too?

Jughead10
01-26-2012, 10:21 AM
How many times have we seen the Ravens defense survive losing a coordinator? I'm sure they'll be fine.

As to the Colts, I think it's a great hire and he can build a solid defense to go with Luck and Manning. He's set up for success.

A lot of that is because they had stability with Lewis and Reed. Eventually will come to an end, and the constant raiding will hurt them.

GatorsBullsFan
01-26-2012, 10:46 AM
If he moves to 3-4 who will be the DE/OLB?

Da-Phins
01-26-2012, 11:15 AM
Colts are finally making some good moves in regards to their defense. Maybe we will see the end of their defense playing ***** football.

killxswitch
01-26-2012, 11:16 AM
Colts are finally making some good moves in regards to their defense. Maybe we will see the end of their defense playing ***** football.

I'm not sure if that 5 letter word starts with a b or a p but either way that "pansy" defensive philosophy left with Bill Polian. The Colts of the next 5 years are not going to look anything like the last 13. Hopefully that will be a positive thing. It'll be hard to not see #18 taking snaps out there though.

DraftSavant
01-26-2012, 11:42 AM
I'm not sure if that 5 letter word starts with a b or a p but either way that "pansy" defensive philosophy left with Bill Polian. The Colts of the next 5 years are not going to look anything like the last 13. Hopefully that will be a positive thing. It'll be hard to not see #18 taking snaps out there though.

You're getting Andrew Luck and a coach/FO who actually cares about defense.

**** I HATE THE GOD DAMN COLTS SO MUCH. FUUUUUUUUUCK.

ShutDwn
01-26-2012, 11:49 AM
It's going to feel really weird when the Colts finally get away from the tiny defense style. They've been consistently the same for like ten years.

Ravens1991
01-26-2012, 12:14 PM
haha, u better hope not



Why? How was he as a coach for you guys. What kind of systems did he run was he agressive or conservative?

Sloopy
01-26-2012, 12:26 PM
Colts are finally making some good moves in regards to their defense. Maybe we will see the end of their defense playing ***** football.

Yea BP's obsession with tiny dancers... I mean defenders, will be out and Pagano will likely bring in some aggressive guys with a mean streak.

Should be interesting to see what he does with the DL. I'm sure he will love Freeney (and Mathis if they retain him) I think Neves will have a spot in his D but I think there may be some considerable turnover at most of the other positions.

Most of all would like to see them abandon their cover two scheme. Although I think that as crappy as the defense has been... it really suites a team that plays with the lead a lot. So I don't know if it will happen but I just don't see it being Chuck's style.

http://www.baltimoregridironreport.com/2012/01/26/will-players-follow-pagano-to-indy/

Just another thought, might see some players follow Chuck to Indy (25 possible FA). I could see Zibi as a major possibility.

JJ is most likely gone for the Ravens as well but I see him heading to the Jets who will overpay for him to add a pass rusher.

Redding might be available and willing to follow but I think it would depend on how drastically Chuck wants to change the system.

indyfan1985
01-29-2012, 11:23 PM
Now the Colts have both OC Bruce Arians and LBers coach Keith Butler from the Steelers. I think Irsay and Pagano are serious in making this team compete for multiple championships again with Luck at the helm.

Da-Phins
01-30-2012, 06:53 PM
Now the Colts have both OC Bruce Arians and LBers coach Keith Butler from the Steelers. I think Irsay and Pagano are serious in making this team compete for multiple championships again with Luck at the helm.

Butler isnt going anywhere.

JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Keith Butler is staying with the Steelers. Agreed to new deal. Won't interview with Colts on Tues #insideslant

indyfan1985
01-31-2012, 08:14 AM
Butler isnt going anywhere.

His loss then I guess. Maybe he wants to stay just a position coach for another 5 years before he gets another shot at a DC position. Plus the Steelers defense is aging and the Colts are an upstarting team with a vision for greatness with Andrew Luck but I guess he doesnt want to be a part of that.

Prowler
01-31-2012, 09:17 AM
They should steal Butch Davis before he ends up in Tampa.

tjsunstein
01-31-2012, 05:35 PM
His loss then I guess. Maybe he wants to stay just a position coach for another 5 years before he gets another shot at a DC position. Plus the Steelers defense is aging and the Colts are an upstarting team with a vision for greatness with Andrew Luck but I guess he doesnt want to be a part of that.
The Steelers and Butler have a 'handshake agreement' that he will become the DC once Lebeau retires. I'd rather work with the resources in Pittsburgh and continue building upon what's there now than start anew under a defensive minded head coach. Especially if Pagano falters, it will look bad on the defensive staff that includes Butler. Plus he would have to alter (even if the slightest) the scheme he's been so successful running. I think the safer move was to stay where he is now and hold on to whatever that agreement is worth.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-31-2012, 06:38 PM
Now the Colts have both OC Bruce Arians and LBers coach Keith Butler from the Steelers. I think Irsay and Pagano are serious in making this team compete for multiple championships again with Luck at the helm.

His loss then I guess. Maybe he wants to stay just a position coach for another 5 years before he gets another shot at a DC position. Plus the Steelers defense is aging and the Colts are an upstarting team with a vision for greatness with Andrew Luck but I guess he doesnt want to be a part of that.


Jesus dude. Things are looking good, but let's refrain from lining the Colts up for multiple Super Bowls and "greatness".

indyfan1985
01-31-2012, 07:21 PM
Jesus dude. Things are looking good, but let's refrain from lining the Colts up for multiple Super Bowls and "greatness".

Im just looking at this as an age factor. The Colts are rebuilding now, and the Steelers are due for rebuilding sooner rather than later. Bringing in the best QB prospect in over a decade and a great defensive minded HC will give this team a great chance at mutiple postseason appearances.

Trust me man I've watched this team for years and we've had a pathetic excuse for a coaching staff. Now I feel confident we have hired the right people on the staff and at GM. Polian was losing his touch drafting players over the last 5 years or so.