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jetsfan0099
01-25-2012, 08:06 PM
Is he a legit round 1 prospect? Would he be a good selection by the Jets at pick 16? I have not watched much of him as I pay really no attention to Marshall.

SenorGato
01-27-2012, 10:06 PM
See I really like this player, but I think I'm 1 of 1 who thinks he'll end up a first rounder. He's a really strong workout away, and by really strong I mean really, really strong. If he DeMarcus Ware's the combine then it's a wrap, and I think he's got an outside shot at it.

Shane P. Hallam
01-27-2012, 10:08 PM
Just not the top athlete to garner a mid-first. MAYBE late, but I'd say more a 2nd round pick.

SenorGato
01-27-2012, 10:12 PM
Just not the top athlete to garner a mid-first. MAYBE late, but I'd say more a 2nd round pick.

I agree BUT I have to say that he's more athletic than I was willing to believe before a viewing.

I'd draft him over Upshaw for 3-4 OLB tbh...unless Upshaw blows the mind with a workout.

BamaFalcon59
01-28-2012, 01:34 PM
He also came into the Senior Bowl at 6'3" ~260 rather than his listed 6'5" 242.

He could cut weight and show out at the combine.

Lil Quip
01-28-2012, 02:10 PM
At his current size, may not fit in a lot of schemes. If he can cut ten pounds and gain some quickness, I could see him in the second to a classic 3-4 team. He could also add about 10 pounds and fit more at 4-3 end.

I think he has been someone to watch as a riser to the end of the first, but I don't think he has shown enough in the offseason to warrant that.

6-5 would have been ideal for a team like my Pats, but 6-3 isn't bad.

TACKLE
01-28-2012, 04:02 PM
At his current size, may not fit in a lot of schemes. If he can cut ten pounds and gain some quickness, I could see him in the second to a classic 3-4 team. He could also add about 10 pounds and fit more at 4-3 end.

I think he has been someone to watch as a riser to the end of the first, but I don't think he has shown enough in the offseason to warrant that.

6-5 would have been ideal for a team like my Pats, but 6-3 isn't bad.

Huh? He can easily be a 43 DE and as long as he isn't horribly awkward in space, he can also be a 34 rush backer.

Lil Quip
01-28-2012, 04:34 PM
Huh? He can easily be a 43 DE and as long as he isn't horribly awkward in space, he can also be a 34 rush backer.

Yeah 260 isn't bad, but many teams want their DE's in the 270-280 range. Good size for the elephant backer role, but a little big at OLB. I am not doubting that he will be able morph into either role. It just seems like he is sort of hedging his bets either way right now, waiting to see what team drafts him and what role he will play.

TACKLE
01-28-2012, 04:37 PM
Yeah 260 isn't bad, but many teams want their DE's in the 270-280 range. Good size for the elephant backer role, but a little big at OLB. I am not doubting that he will be able morph into either role. It just seems like he is sort of hedging his bets either way right now, waiting to see what team drafts him and what role he will play.

I would say 6'3 265 is about average for 4-3 DE's in the NFL.

Flaming Mo
01-28-2012, 05:16 PM
His playing style basically screams "playing like a Jet" to me... I bet Rex would love him...

mightytitan9
01-28-2012, 09:59 PM
I like him a lot but I don't see him as a first round pick unless he explodes in workouts. It's early in the process though so we'll see what happens

Grizzlegom
01-28-2012, 10:05 PM
I've heard on the Twitter-verse that he's got baggage that will drop him some (not sure what it is and no idea if its true so take that for what its worth). I don't have him as a first rounder on tape anyway though. Solid 2nd rounder. Honestly like him better as a 43DE for someone like the Browns, Lions, or Eagles than as a 34 OLB although I do agree the Jets would be a good fit too.

mightytitan9
01-28-2012, 10:13 PM
Yeah, I'm hoping he's there in the 2nd for us Titans

LeftwichQB7
01-29-2012, 09:50 AM
I've heard on the Twitter-verse that he's got baggage that will drop him some (not sure what it is and no idea if its true so take that for what its worth). I don't have him as a first rounder on tape anyway though. Solid 2nd rounder. Honestly like him better as a 43DE for someone like the Browns, Lions, or Eagles than as a 34 OLB although I do agree the Jets would be a good fit too.

Curry has zero baggage.

I follow Marshall and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Roddoliver
01-29-2012, 12:02 PM
1st round pick. Great effort, two years with nice production. Can play 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB.

Chargerfn909
01-29-2012, 12:04 PM
1st round talent in my eyes, but (bolts should know best) due to the level of competition that he played at Marshall it will probably hinder him a bit. I suppose with a solid combine he can lock up a mid-late 1st round spot. I couldn't imagine teams like the Pack/Pats passing on him in the late 1st, but you never know.

mightytitan9
01-29-2012, 12:44 PM
When you get those less talented DE's moved to OLB they usually don't produce all that great. I'm not sold as him anything more than an average 3-4 backer

J-Mike88
01-29-2012, 02:50 PM
He also came into the Senior Bowl at 6'3" ~260 rather than his listed 6'5" 242.

He could cut weight and show out at the combine.
His size was fantastic at the Senior Bowl. His size is perfectly blended for a 34 OLB.

His athletic ability, agility will be the question.
I personally would love to see him opposite Matthews in Green Bay, but these OLB/DE prospects (Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Larry English, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, Vern Gholston, etc.) are extremely hard to project at the next level, as we have seen.

Sometimes guys at smaller schools do not do well against the big boys.
Other times guys from the precious SEC & Big Ten don't fare well in the NFL.
It's very difficult to project this area.

DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 260
LaMarr Woodley: 6-2, 265
Clay Matthews: 6-3, 255
Terrell Suggs: 6-3, 260
Von Miller: 6-3, 245
Elvis Dumervil: 5-11, 260
James Harrison: 6-0, 242

A Perfect Score
01-29-2012, 02:52 PM
When it's all said and done, I still think he's behind Coples, Upshaw, Ingram, Irvin, Mercilus, Branch and Perry as far as pass rushers go. Mid to late second, probably. I just think the other guys will all have higher perceived upside on draft day.

BamaFalcon59
01-29-2012, 04:42 PM
His size was fantastic at the Senior Bowl. His size is perfectly blended for a 34 OLB.

His athletic ability, agility will be the question.
I personally would love to see him opposite Matthews in Green Bay, but these OLB/DE prospects (Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes, Larry English, Aaron Maybin, Everette Brown, Vern Gholston, etc.) are extremely hard to project at the next level, as we have seen.

Sometimes guys at smaller schools do not do well against the big boys.
Other times guys from the precious SEC & Big Ten don't fare well in the NFL.
It's very difficult to project this area.

DeMarcus Ware: 6-4, 260
LaMarr Woodley: 6-2, 265
Clay Matthews: 6-3, 255
Terrell Suggs: 6-3, 260
Von Miller: 6-3, 245
Elvis Dumervil: 5-11, 260
James Harrison: 6-0, 242

I agree. That's why I'm saying he may cut weight for the combine in an effort to impress in agility/testing drills.

Miaoww
01-29-2012, 05:26 PM
I agree. That's why I'm saying he may cut weight for the combine in an effort to impress in agility/testing drills.

Except they're weighed at the Combine too.

If he does the 40/agility tests at 250 rather than 260 teams are going to raise a few eyebrows.

Lil Quip
01-29-2012, 05:55 PM
Except they're weighed at the Combine too.

If he does the 40/agility tests at 250 rather than 260 teams are going to raise a few eyebrows.

Not sure if would be an eyebrow. Now we will have two or three good 'datapoints' on Marshall, with two being supposedly objective in the Senior Bowl and Combine.

He could drop 10 and look quicker, teams just now know they are targeting the 250 lb Curry not the 260 one.

Grizzlegom
01-29-2012, 08:42 PM
When it's all said and done, I still think he's behind Coples, Upshaw, Ingram, Irvin, Mercilus, Branch and Perry as far as pass rushers go. Mid to late second, probably. I just think the other guys will all have higher perceived upside on draft day.

Co-signed.

TimmG6376
01-30-2012, 01:00 PM
Not sure if would be an eyebrow. Now we will have two or three good 'datapoints' on Marshall, with two being supposedly objective in the Senior Bowl and Combine.

He could drop 10 and look quicker, teams just now know they are targeting the 250 lb Curry not the 260 one.

Yeah he showed he can play DE at 265. If he drops to 255 and does well in agility and linebacker drills it just opens up the opportunity for him to be taken by a 3-4 team as well as 4-3. I don't see it as a negative. If we were talking about a guy that weighed 250 and dropped to 240 then killed at the combine it might raise some flags, but 255 is about ideal for a 3-4 rush backer.

ElectricEye
01-30-2012, 02:55 PM
I'm not sure he's the most natural fit at OLB. I just don't see a guy who looks as fluid and quick as I like to see from those types of guys. He's got good size for the position, but I'm not sure the skillset matches.

TACKLE
01-30-2012, 05:20 PM
I'm not sure he's the most natural fit at OLB. I just don't see a guy who looks as fluid and quick as I like to see from those types of guys. He's got good size for the position, but I'm not sure the skillset matches.

I do agree that his best fit is in a 4-3 and he is not particularly fluid in space. However, I do like how his pass rush translate to a 34 OLB as far as his ability to attack the edge from a wider angle, dip low and turn the corner. Some guys pass rush style just doesn't translate as a wide alignement, stand up rusher but I think Curry's does.

SenorGato
01-31-2012, 05:01 AM
I do agree that his best fit is in a 4-3 and he is not particularly fluid in space. However, I do like how his pass rush translate to a 34 OLB as far as his ability to attack the edge from a wider angle, dip low and turn the corner. Some guys pass rush style just doesn't translate as a wide alignement, stand up rusher but I think Curry's does.

Put it into words what I thought intuitively about him as a pass rusher for Los Yets. From there they can figure out the rest, because I think he'd figure it out.

Iamcanadian
01-31-2012, 10:43 AM
When it's all said and done, I still think he's behind Coples, Upshaw, Ingram, Irvin, Mercilus, Branch and Perry as far as pass rushers go. Mid to late second, probably. I just think the other guys will all have higher perceived upside on draft day.

I'd have to agree although I'm not sold on Irvin till I see him at the combine.

A Perfect Score
01-31-2012, 10:50 AM
I'd have to agree although I'm not sold on Irvin till I see him at the combine.

I'm a big Irvin fan. There's a little bit of Von Miller in him. He doesn't have quite that explosion or hip flexibility, but he's a playmaker off the edge who should be able to play in coverage and adapt to taking on some blocks in the NFL. I just think he's one of those players where if you put him in a 3-4 and just let him do what he does, he's a 10+ sack guy in the NFL. He does tend to stand up a little too high at times, but it's definitely not a dealbreaker.

I'm starting to warm up significantly to Mercilus too. He could be a terror in the NFL. Moves like Aldon Smith a little.

SenorGato
02-14-2012, 11:40 AM
Bump just because this prospect is awesome and getting ready to no longer be slept on. 8 days + whatever amount of days until DL work out before Curry hype gets a little more real.

bitonti
02-14-2012, 11:57 AM
it's a very different game standing up than it is hand in the dirt. Vinny Curry could make that transition but it might take several seasons. Assuming he works out well I think end of the 1st round, start of the 2nd is a good place for him. Example, the Giants, cause they take a DE every darn year.

SenorGato
02-14-2012, 12:15 PM
it's a very different game standing up than it is hand in the dirt. Vinny Curry could make that transition but it might take several seasons. Assuming he works out well I think end of the 1st round, start of the 2nd is a good place for him. Example, the Giants, cause they take a DE every darn year.

It's not so different if you're good enough. Tackle the guy with the ball...Plenty of similarly productive and experienced guys have made the transition, and it's literally the least of my worries with Curry.

bitonti
02-14-2012, 02:27 PM
It's not so different if you're good enough. Tackle the guy with the ball... .

agree there are certain things like rushing on 3rd and long that are the same

but on 1st and 2nd down it's a matter of finding the ball carrier, seeing the game.

see it from the trenches vs seeing it from the linebacker position it's a huge difference.

SenorGato
02-14-2012, 02:44 PM
agree there are certain things like rushing on 3rd and long that are the same

but on 1st and 2nd down it's a matter of finding the ball carrier, seeing the game.

see it from the trenches vs seeing it from the linebacker position it's a huge difference.

Yet teams consistently go to college DEs for their 3-4 OLBs.

It's not a worry for me when it comes to Curry. Other guys? Sure. Curry? Not so much. Too many positives that would work well in any system...most specifically his ability to rush the passer.

TACKLE
02-14-2012, 03:47 PM
agree there are certain things like rushing on 3rd and long that are the same

but on 1st and 2nd down it's a matter of finding the ball carrier, seeing the game.

see it from the trenches vs seeing it from the linebacker position it's a huge difference.

I don't understand why this is all of a sudden a big issue given that you can count on one hand the number of starting 34 OLB's in the entire league that weren't college DE's. Yes it requires a bit more of a transition and yes it means the player must develop of few new skills but if a guy can get after the passer coming off the edge, that's what matters most at that position above all else.

bitonti
02-15-2012, 02:43 PM
et's look at every 3-4 team, and the draft picks they made for 3-4 OLB:

(not counting vet free agents, street free agents, undrafted, waiver wire pickups, trades, CFL signings, etc. only guys they drafted to play that position and still play it).

AZ
Sam Acho 4th rd
<backup> Obrien Schofield 4th rd

BAL
Terrell Suggs 1st rd
Jarrett Johnson 4th rd
<backup> Sergio Kindle 2nd rd
<backup> Paul Kruger 2nd rd

DAL
Anthony Spencer 1st rd
Demarcus Ware 1st rd
<backup> Victor Butler 4th rd

GB
Clay Matthews 1st rd (BUT PLAYED LB IN COLLEGE)

HOU
Conner Barwin 2nd rd
Mario Williams 1st rd (Probably going back to 4-3 DE)
<backup> Brooks Reed 2nd rd

KC
Justin Houston 3rd rd
Tamba Hali 1st rd

MIA
Koa Misi 2nd rd

NYJ
Bryan Thomas 1st rd

PIT
Lamaar Woodley 2nd round

SD
Shaun Phillips 4th rd
<backup> Larry English 1st rd

SF
Aldon Smith 1st rd
Parys Haralson 5th rd


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What does this have to do with Curry? (or Perry, Mercilus etc.) he will likely have a higher grade from a 4-3 team than a 3-4 team. Alot of 3-4 teams use 2nd round or beyond. many use street free agents to round out that position. It seems less straight forward of a pick than others. If you pick a tailback he plays tailback. If you pick a wide out he plays wide out. Pick a college DE and make him stand up it's a higher risk situation, and the league is all about risk management. Don't get me wrong I like Vinny Curry. I'd like him more if I was drafting for a 4-3 team than if I was drafting for a 3-4 team. Maybe a round or more difference in grade. Vinny Curry in rd 2 or 3 to a 3-4 team, but he's a late 1st to a 4-3 team.