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Chargerfn909
01-29-2012, 12:02 PM
What did you guys think? I didn't squeeze in many UofW games through the season, but yesterday this dude looked like men amongst boys. He looked VERY strong, stout at the point of attack, constantly was doubled and seemed to handle them well, made penetration on a few plays that helped Cam Johnson and Vinny Curry look like studs, and ran laterally down the LOS VERY good for a man 6'3'' 340. Looking like a true 34NT that could anchor down a D on 1st & 2nd down consistently..Thoughts?

Big Bird
01-29-2012, 12:29 PM
Reminds me of Terrence Cody. Never going to generate a pass rush, but a very good two-down NT. Belongs in the 2nd.

TheSlinger
01-29-2012, 12:30 PM
He looked outstanding in the game and the occasional bits of practice that NFLN allowed us to see, but I wasn't overly impressed with his season. I think he's more than just a 2-down player. I would guess a 2nd round pick?

Babylon
01-29-2012, 12:31 PM
I thought his best ball was played down the stretch of the 2010 season for the Huskies. This year he never seemed to be able to string strong outings together, especially against good teams. As has been stated sometimes inside guys free up the rushers to do their job so not sure what was asked of him this past year. Solid rotational first and second down guy but i wouldnt jump for him too early. After the top 50 or so players he should get some serious attention.

mightytitan9
01-29-2012, 12:39 PM
He's a solid guy, I don't really like the Cody comparison cuz he has more energy than him IMO.

ElectricEye
01-29-2012, 01:30 PM
Reminds me of Terrence Cody. Never going to generate a pass rush, but a very good two-down NT. Belongs in the 2nd.

Terrence Cody wishes he had the movement skills Ta'amu has. Much quicker feet and better athleticism than Cody ever demonstrated on any level.

Liked him quite a bit in the practices, but as Babylon already mentioned, he never really played at a high level for a long stretch of time. Not sure if that's laziness or just a lack of refinement, but it's something that bears watching. Still, he'll likely be bumped up a bit(perhaps higher than he deserves) because he probably projects the best to being a NT better than the rest of the guys in the class(Poe is a DE in a 3-4 IMO). Solid second round grade, could go even higher due to supply and demand.

Big Bird
01-29-2012, 02:23 PM
I never thought Alameda displayed that great of feet. I thought he struggled in practices on the 1 on 1 drills. Alameda showed me there he isn't a pass rusher at the next level, he is a space eater.

I still don't see a difference between the two. Alameda's ability as a pass rusher and feet are extremely overrated. There is a reason his production isn't as good as people expected of him, that's because many overrated his skills. Space eaters are going to disappear at times unless they are the elite of the elite at the position (Vince Wilfork, for example). Alameda is a two-down player at the next level.

TACKLE
01-29-2012, 02:36 PM
I know most see him as a 34 NT prospect and he could certainly play there, but he may actually be best in a 43 where he can get up field and penetrate. He's not so much a guy who can just sit down, get extension and two-gap. He's definitely at his best when he is allowed to penetrate and can be disruptive in the backfield like we saw throughout his career and yesterday's game.

Bengals78
01-29-2012, 02:39 PM
I know most see him as a 34 NT prospect and he could certainly play there, but he may actually be best in a 43 where he can get up field and penetrate. He's not so much a guy who can just sit down, get extension and two-gap. He's definitely at his best when he is allowed to penetrate and can be disruptive in the backfield like we saw throughout his career and yesterday's game.

I wouldnt hate him if he slides down to the Bengals 2nd round pick.
We need to upgrade our DT's with someone who can take on double teams and not be rendered entirely useless. *cough*PEKO*cough*

Duffman57
01-29-2012, 02:52 PM
I'm not a fan of Ta'amu. Just doesn't seem like a good NT at all. He's a guy with a NT body that plays like a UT. He really doesn't anchor well in the slightest and gets easily pushed back on double teams. He plays tall and doesn't use his natural leverage. The upside to him is that every once in a while he'll get off the ball quick, is able to penetrate and shoot the gap and blow up a play in the backfield. I wouldn't take him before the mid/late 2nd.

Chargerfn909
01-29-2012, 03:22 PM
I'm not a fan of Ta'amu. Just doesn't seem like a good NT at all. He's a guy with a NT body that plays like a UT. He really doesn't anchor well in the slightest and gets easily pushed back on double teams. He plays tall and doesn't use his natural leverage. The upside to him is that every once in a while he'll get off the ball quick, is able to penetrate and shoot the gap and blow up a play in the backfield. I wouldn't take him before the mid/late 2nd.

Like I said, I didn't watch a whole lot of him at UofW, but everything I saw yesterday is the exact opposite of what you said and that was against better competition. He didn't get blown back once (that I saw), hogged up doubles, penetrated consistently and essentially man handled any man up blockers. Perhaps there is a motivation problem? He just shows up when he wants? not sure, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Babylon
01-29-2012, 03:49 PM
Like I said, I didn't watch a whole lot of him at UofW, but everything I saw yesterday is the exact opposite of what you said and that was against better competition. He didn't get blown back once (that I saw), hogged up doubles, penetrated consistently and essentially man handled any man up blockers. Perhaps there is a motivation problem? He just shows up when he wants? not sure, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Not sure why the differance in his play from the second half of 2010 to this past season, which wasnt terrible by the way. Not to pick on Nick Holt but better coaching at the next level might do him wonders.

Duffman57
01-29-2012, 04:37 PM
Like I said, I didn't watch a whole lot of him at UofW, but everything I saw yesterday is the exact opposite of what you said and that was against better competition. He didn't get blown back once (that I saw), hogged up doubles, penetrated consistently and essentially man handled any man up blockers. Perhaps there is a motivation problem? He just shows up when he wants? not sure, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Yah, i wouldn't be surprised to see if he had motivation problems. REALLY showed up in a BIG way for their bowl game vs. Nebraska last year, and the Sr. Bowl. But if you watch some video's from this year or last year durring the season at U Dub, he just didn't look good.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-29-2012, 07:43 PM
I know most see him as a 34 NT prospect and he could certainly play there, but he may actually be best in a 43 where he can get up field and penetrate. He's not so much a guy who can just sit down, get extension and two-gap. He's definitely at his best when he is allowed to penetrate and can be disruptive in the backfield like we saw throughout his career and yesterday's game.

This was exactly my thought watching yesterday. I want him as the nose for Atlanta. He'd be a nice fit for Nolan.

Dan_Steele
01-29-2012, 11:33 PM
350 lbs but relies more on his athleticism then his strength and size. i'm not sure if he'll be a good NT in the NFL. To play that position you need the right mentality, in which you will not be moved no matter how many guys block you. You don't need tackles, or sacks, or hits. I'm not sure this guy has that, plays a bit too flashy for a prototypical NT. I can see him being a very successful DT in a standard 4-3 or as a guy that can play the 2-gap in a team that plays in Nickel often. Uses his hands well and is very athletic for being so large. Can be very dangerous in the passing game in the right defense. I can see him being drafted for that purpose but my guess is that his NFL coach is going to ask him to lose 20 lbs or so, so he can keep that high motor during no huddle scenarios.

1funguy
01-30-2012, 06:49 AM
Poe has more upside.

Iamcanadian
01-30-2012, 07:18 AM
Has a real shot to be a 10 year starter at NT in a 3-4. Solid late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder.

bitonti
01-31-2012, 11:20 AM
Poe has more upside.

I think Ta'amu might be a little better than Poe. fwiw he's got 6 career sacks and Poe has 5. both are excellent NT prospects.

D-Unit
01-31-2012, 12:38 PM
I thought he destroyed his stock in the Alamo Bowl game, but I guess he impressed folks at the Senior Bowl. It's not really surprising that he would look good in practice where you don't have the same endurance needs compared to a full game. It's pretty much known amongst those who gamble on games that Washington is a team that you bet against in the 2nd half because they tire out on defense.

Shane P. Hallam
01-31-2012, 12:41 PM
I thought he destroyed his stock in the Alamo Bowl game, but I guess he impressed folks at the Senior Bowl. It's not really surprising that he would look good in practice where you don't have the same endurance needs compared to a full game. It's pretty much known amongst those who gamble on games that Washington is a team that you bet against in the 2nd half because they tire out on defense.

He actually didn't have great practices, he had a great game. There are conditioning issues and is far from inconsistent. Coaching will be huge.

Babylon
01-31-2012, 01:08 PM
I thought he destroyed his stock in the Alamo Bowl game, but I guess he impressed folks at the Senior Bowl. It's not really surprising that he would look good in practice where you don't have the same endurance needs compared to a full game. It's pretty much known amongst those who gamble on games that Washington is a team that you bet against in the 2nd half because they tire out on defense.

They tired out mostly because they didnt have the depth to rotate guys along the front line. Against Baylor they were gassed because of the hurry up offense and in the second half they were on the field too much.

A Perfect Score
01-31-2012, 01:12 PM
He actually didn't have great practices, he had a great game. There are conditioning issues and is far from inconsistent. Coaching will be huge.

What did you hear around the Senior Bowl around his stock J-Boobie? I'm curious as to where some of the NFL guys have him valued.

Shane P. Hallam
01-31-2012, 01:17 PM
What did you hear around the Senior Bowl around his stock J-Boobie? I'm curious as to where some of the NFL guys have him valued.

Top 50 value. I wouldn't be overly surprised to see him sneak into the first a la James Carpenter last year.

Babylon
01-31-2012, 01:18 PM
Top 50 value. I wouldn't be overly surprised to see him sneak into the first a la James Carpenter last year.

He probably has no chance at the first. 2 down NTs dont have the value of OTs.

Shane P. Hallam
01-31-2012, 01:21 PM
He probably has no chance at the first. 2 down NTs dont have the value of OTs.

Wouldn't say no chance with a few teams in the 20-30 range with a big NT need. Teams are probably higher on his motor than they were Terrence Cody, but a guy as athletic as him has some upside. If the combine numbers are there, it will be interesting.

A Perfect Score
01-31-2012, 01:22 PM
Wouldn't say no chance with a few teams in the 20-30 range with a big NT need. Teams are probably higher on his motor than they were Terrence Cody, but a guy as athletic as him has some upside. If the combine numbers are there, it will be interesting.

Colts at the top of the second? With Pagano in town, they'll need that type of player regardless of what defense they're running.

Shane P. Hallam
01-31-2012, 01:23 PM
Colts at the top of the second? With Pagano in town, they'll need that type of player regardless of what defense they're running.

I think it is a strong possibility. Pagano needs that type of body to free up space for pass rushers.

D-Unit
01-31-2012, 03:08 PM
He actually didn't have great practices, he had a great game. There are conditioning issues and is far from inconsistent. Coaching will be huge.
Oh, I didn't follow the Senior Bowl reports too much other than what's on this site and Scott sounded very high on him.

RaiderNation
01-31-2012, 03:17 PM
I have him as a top 32 prospect and is a late 1st/early 2nd value. It's hard to find big athletes like him, and he is the type of player you can build your defense with at NT. He won't be Ngata or Wilfolk, but Ta'amu is a very capable NFL starter.

ellsy82
01-31-2012, 03:24 PM
I have him as a top 32 prospect and is a late 1st/early 2nd value. It's hard to find big athletes like him, and he is the type of player you can build your defense with at NT. He won't be Ngata or Wilfolk, but Ta'amu is a very capable NFL starter.

Capable, sure. I question his motor/work ethic, though. I REALLY gotta see some work out numbers before I stamp him with a first OR second round grade.

1funguy
01-31-2012, 03:38 PM
I see Poe as the kind of guy you can move around on a 3-4 DL. Not so much with Ta'amu.

RaiderNation
01-31-2012, 05:25 PM
Capable, sure. I question his motor/work ethic, though. I REALLY gotta see some work out numbers before I stamp him with a first OR second round grade.
True, but I think he will run much better than a Terrence Cody type NT, and with many teams now looking to add bigger run cloggers Ta'amu could see a rise in his stock. His strength is very solid, and even though he isn't a 3 down player, on those 2 downs(and running downs) he will be a force in the middle run defense.

I see Poe as the kind of guy you can move around on a 3-4 DL. Not so much with Ta'amu.

I agree, Poe can play some NT and DE in the 3-4 similarly to Ngata and sometimes Wilfolk. Poe is a top 15 pick and could be a multiple time Pro Bowler if he reaches his highest potential.

holt_bruce81
01-31-2012, 06:21 PM
I'm not as high on him as some are. I actually think his best position would be as an Under Tackle in a 4-3 scheme.

ellsy82
01-31-2012, 07:14 PM
I agree, Poe can play some NT and DE in the 3-4 similarly to Ngata and sometimes Wilfolk. Poe is a top 15 pick and could be a multiple time Pro Bowler if he reaches his highest potential.

All potential...no pudding. At the nose, anyway.

onejayhawk
02-01-2012, 02:04 PM
I agree, Poe can play some NT and DE in the 3-4 similarly to Ngata and sometimes Wilfolk. Poe is a top 15 pick and could be a multiple time Pro Bowler if he reaches his highest potential.

Not to hijack a Ta'amu thread, but how do the two compare to Phil Taylor? Cleveland see,s to like their double NT 4-3.

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SenorGato
02-01-2012, 08:54 PM
2nd-3rd. He'll be solid in the long run, but I think he'd need a year or two.

The Colts are praying for Konz with their first pick in the 2nd IMO.

Larry
02-02-2012, 02:13 PM
Watched him against SC and Stanford was completely unimpressed with him.

Babylon
02-02-2012, 06:27 PM
Watched him against SC and Stanford was completely unimpressed with him.

Got handled pretty well by DeCastro for two years but he did play better against SC.

RaiderNation
02-02-2012, 06:34 PM
Not to hijack a Ta'amu thread, but how do the two compare to Phil Taylor? Cleveland see,s to like their double NT 4-3.

I'd say Ta'amu is similar value wise and size, but Poe plays more similarly since he is more of a pass rusher as well as a great run clogger. Ta'amu isn't a very productive pass rusher and seems more like a 2 down player, while Poe/Taylor could see time as a NT and DE in all 3 downs if they'd play in the 3-4.

Dan_Steele
02-09-2012, 04:36 PM
I have no idea where this first round talk has come from. People are just impressed with his athleticism at 350, he hasn't shown enough on the field to warrant a first round grade. Also, the only reason this guy is being considered a "prototypical nose tackle" in the NFL, and that is his weight. He plays nothing like a NT, relies too much on athleticism than strength and technique. My guess is that he'll fall to late second or later, be taken by a 4-3 team and asked to lose 15-20 pounds.

D-Unit
02-09-2012, 04:52 PM
I like Hebron Fangupo more than Ta'amu. Who's with me? :)

bitonti
02-09-2012, 05:23 PM
Ta'amu and Poe are more or less the same draft grade: early to mid round 2. Ta'amu has 4 career sacks, Poe has 5. Poe probably gets drafted earlier but they will go within a dozen slots of each other, JMO. neither are gonna help you on 3rd and long. teams will grade them both out as 2 down players.

I wonder what kind of shape Poe will be in... if he is really at 350. Ta'amu was in excellent shape for 340 (as was Cordy Glenn).

Ta'amu made alot of plays at Senior Bowl 9-on-7 drills he's got way above avg aggression and penetration for big man.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6762801411_4bf54d39e8_z.jpg

killxswitch
11-14-2012, 02:59 PM
From 4th rounder to practice squad:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/taamu-quietly-lands-on-steelers-practice-squad/

He has not done nearly as well as expected. I hope the Colts poach him and somebody screws his head on straight though. I was a huge fan of this guy as a prospect.

bigbuc
11-15-2012, 12:21 AM
From 4th rounder to practice squad:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/14/taamu-quietly-lands-on-steelers-practice-squad/

He has not done nearly as well as expected. I hope the Colts poach him and somebody screws his head on straight though. I was a huge fan of this guy as a prospect.

Getting drunk and driving, running from cops and hitting parked cars makes me think football is not the number 1 thing he cares about in his life.

phlysac
11-15-2012, 06:29 PM
Getting drunk and driving, running from cops and hitting parked cars makes me think football is not the number 1 thing he cares about in his life.

If he wasn't contrite and displaying characteristics of someone who could learn from his mistakes, the Steelers wouldn't have considered bringing him back. Let alone keeping him on the roster for a few weeks, and then re-signing to the PS.

Abaddon
11-19-2012, 11:03 AM
Fat, lazy, and stupid. Quality NFL prospect he turned out to be.