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Thunder&Lightning
02-03-2012, 09:55 AM
How does Kalil compare to past #1 OT prospects?

As a Prospect.

2011: > Tyronn Smith
2010: > Russell Okung
2009: > Jason Smith
2008: < Jake Long
2007: = Joe Thomas
2006: < D'Brickshaw Ferguson

K Train
02-03-2012, 10:03 AM
< brick and =Joe thomas?

Better than brick and not as good as joe imo.

also if i had any idea that tyron smith could keep his playing weight 305+ he would have been better than kalil imo...i was scared off by him playing at 285 at USC though

keylime_5
02-03-2012, 10:08 AM
My rankings:

1-Thomas
2-Ferguson
3-Long
4-Kalil
5-J.Smith
6-T.Smith
7-Williams
8-Okung

similar to Long, not quite Ferguson or Thomas. Just barely better than the Smiths, better than Trent Williams and Russ Okung.

K Train
02-03-2012, 10:26 AM
recent top guys id go

Thomas
Long
Kalil
Brick
Oher (dont judge me)
T. Smith
Okung
Williams
A. Smith
J. Smith

bitonti
02-03-2012, 10:31 AM
honestly I think Kalil is being overrated because of his brother. don't get me wrong he's a very good prospect. he's not better than Brick. Because his brother is in the league he has less of a bust factor. it's the Mike/Maurkice Pouncey thing again.

JMO, Mike adams is the better football player.

DraftSavant
02-03-2012, 10:43 AM
< brick and =Joe thomas?

Better than brick and not as good as joe imo.

also if i had any idea that tyron smith could keep his playing weight 305+ he would have been better than kalil imo...i was scared off by him playing at 285 at USC though

This. Although, I did see Smith get absolutely manhandled in a couple of games. More NFL ready than I thought he'd be, though.

I think Kalil's a significantly better prospect than D'Brick and Jason Smith were, but I was way lower on both of those guys than most.

(If you can't tell, I'm not a big fan of the "well, if he can keep gaining and maintaining more weight, he has great pass blocking potential!" left tackle prospects).

The thing that bugs me about him (Kalil) is that he dogs it a lot of the time. Has effort issues.

BeerBaron
02-03-2012, 11:16 AM
I can say that him going at #2 or #3 is just fine and he would definitely be in at least the top half of those lists that have been flying around.

And speaking of weight issues, where did D'Brick finish the season at this year? I didn't catch any late season Jets games to see for myself.

A Perfect Score
02-03-2012, 11:47 AM
I was very high on Thomas, Long, and Oher, and I'd have Kalil right there with all of them. I think the guy is an elite talent.

TankGiant
02-03-2012, 12:01 PM
Ferguson was very overrated and still is. My Rankings:
1. Long
2. Thomas
3. Kalil
Drop off
4. Ferguson
5. Russel Okung
6. Jason Smith

SchizophrenicBatman
02-03-2012, 12:03 PM
honestly I think Kalil is being overrated because of his brother. don't get me wrong he's a very good prospect. he's not better than Brick. Because his brother is in the league he has less of a bust factor. it's the Mike/Maurkice Pouncey thing again.

JMO, Mike adams is the better football player.

this is what I was going to post right up until the mike adams part

i'd take reiff over kalil, though

PoopSandwich
02-03-2012, 12:04 PM
Joe Thomas is god, he went fishing on draft day.

**** your list.

Long went first in a draft class with really no WOW talent in the top 3.

Joe Thomas went behind Jawalrus Russell and Megatron. Long and Thomas were pretty equal coming out of college me thinks.

brat316
02-03-2012, 12:13 PM
Long and Thomas are at the top as prospects

SenorGato
02-03-2012, 12:28 PM
As a prospect I think he's just below the now meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeega underrated D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Damn Thomas and Long for coming out in the drafts right after D'Brick and going 3 and 1 (D'Brick went 4). Has the potential to be an elite pass protector, but will never be anything more than an average to above average run blocker.

DraftSavant
02-03-2012, 12:30 PM
As a prospect I think he's on par with the now meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeega underrated D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Damn Thomas and Long for coming out in the drafts right after D'Brick and going 3 and 1 (D'Brick went 4). Has the potential to be an elite pass protector, but will never be anything more than an average to above average run blocker.

This is false. He is finally rated appropriately.

Complex
02-03-2012, 12:32 PM
#2 or 3 behind Thomas and maybe Long.

Smash28Dash34
02-03-2012, 12:38 PM
honestly I think Kalil is being overrated because of his brother. don't get me wrong he's a very good prospect. he's not better than Brick. Because his brother is in the league he has less of a bust factor. it's the Mike/Maurkice Pouncey thing again.

JMO, Mike adams is the better football player.

The difference is Matt is 5 times the prospect Ryan was. Ryan fell to the 2nd because of size issues and Matt dosent have that same problem. Matt is an athletic freak and deserves to be the 1st non-qb taken. My opinion is he will be better than his brother after his first 3 years in the league. JMO

K Train
02-03-2012, 12:40 PM
ryan kalil was an undersized C prospect that was thought to only be able to find a home in a purely zone blocking team...hes exceeded expectations by a lot (and allowed carolina to grace us with justin hartwigs presence for a few years) but matt is FAR superior of a prospect and plays a much more premium posistion obviously

bitonti
02-03-2012, 12:45 PM
Matt is an athletic freak

people say this, and let's see if it's true. Indy workouts will tell the tale. It may or may not be true.

btw there are different ways to characterize physical freak. DBrick has the arms (wingspan) of a 7 foot tall NBA player. Jake Long can bench press a small car.

what about Kalil is so unique? i think Adams might be as rare or rarer an athlete.

SenorGato
02-03-2012, 12:46 PM
This is false. He is finally rated appropriately.

Meh he's coming off his worst season and he's been stupid with penalties the past couple of seasons so I can see what you're saying. That said, I've never really seen Thomas or Long as significantly better just more touted.

BeerBaron
02-03-2012, 12:47 PM
D'Brick also ends up weighing about as much as an NBA 7 footer by the end of the season too.

DraftSavant
02-03-2012, 12:50 PM
Meh he's coming off his worst season and he's been stupid with penalties the past couple of seasons so I can see what you're saying. That said, I've never really seen Thomas or Long as significantly better just more touted.

I wouldn't disagree with this, either.

I've said it quite often: there are no Walter Joneses, or Bosellis, or Ogdens anymore. We witnessed the golden era of left tackles. Hope you all enjoyed it, because it's unlikely we ever see that many elite HoF caliber players all physical freaks to boot) at one position as we did in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I mean, hell, a guy like Tarik Glenn (who was seen as a very good, but not quite elite tackle in that era) could arguably be better than anyone in the NFL right now.

SenorGato
02-03-2012, 12:52 PM
D'Brick also ends up weighing about as much as an NBA 7 footer by the end of the season too.

Yeah if this was still 2007...This is part of why I call him underrated. I still read this knock despite his weight not being an issue since his first and second season. The guy is 28 and has spent 6 years getting NFL weight and strength training. The issues he has today (mostly stupid penalties from a veteran, highly drafted LT) have nothing to do with the weight issues he had at 22/23.

BeerBaron
02-03-2012, 12:53 PM
He's no Orlando Pace, but Duane Brown is really, really ******* good now. That Texans o-line as a whole is really, really ******* good now. Somewhere David Carr would be pissed if his brain weren't total mush.

Babylon
02-03-2012, 12:55 PM
#2 or 3 behind Thomas and maybe Long.

I'd put Kalil behind Thomas but not sure if i'd have him rated lower than Long, who has trouble with quick guys on occasion.

Some of the knocks i hear about Kalil giving less than 100% i havent seen and i've watched about 90% of his games over two years.

DraftSavant
02-03-2012, 12:57 PM
I'd put Kalil behind Thomas but not sure if i'd have him rated lower than Long, who has trouble with quick guys on occasion.

Some of the knocks i hear about Kalil giving less than 100% i havent seen and i've watched about 90% of his games over two years.

In almost every game I watch, he'll make his initial pop on his man in a run play and then go to the second level and just watch the runner.

I know BOE has seen this many times as well. It drives me crazy.

brat316
02-03-2012, 12:57 PM
that is cause all the good athletic OT want to play TE or are moved to the defensive side. Also the spread makes them good pass blockers, but don't get as much work in the run game.

DraftSavant
02-03-2012, 12:58 PM
I'd put Kalil behind Thomas but not sure if i'd have him rated lower than Long, who has trouble with quick guys on occasion.

Some of the knocks i hear about Kalil giving less than 100% i havent seen and i've watched about 90% of his games over two years.

In almost every game I watch, he'll make his initial pop on his man in a run play and then go to the second level and just watch the runner.

I know BOE has seen this many times as well. It drives me crazy.

******* page trapz.

SenorGato
02-03-2012, 12:58 PM
I wouldn't disagree with this, either.

I've said it quite often: there are no Walter Joneses, or Bosellis, or Ogdens anymore. We witnessed the golden era of left tackles. Hope you all enjoyed it, because it's unlikely we ever see that many elite HoF caliber players all physical freaks to boot) at one position as we did in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I mean, hell, a guy like Tarik Glenn (who was seen as a very good, but not quite elite tackle in that era) could arguably be better than anyone in the NFL right now.

There definitely aren't any of those guys, but remember the oldest of the current bunch of elite LTs is 28. For an OL this is pretty much early prime...or I just made that up...Either way, I think very good to great days are ahead for all of these guys.

That said, it'll be hard for any generation to stack with the last one. Pace...Ogden...Jones...Boselli...the disturbingly underrated Willie Roaf (who I might take over anyone here not named Ogden, even Pace)...

SenorGato
02-03-2012, 12:59 PM
He's no Orlando Pace, but Duane Brown is really, really ******* good now. That Texans o-line as a whole is really, really ******* good now. Somewhere David Carr would be pissed if his brain weren't total mush.

Ah there's someone more underrated than D'Brick...both of the Texans T's are awesome...compared to them I don't think you can call any OL underrated.

DraftSavant
02-03-2012, 01:01 PM
****, Lincoln Kennedy was really good, too. And then you had some really, really good RTs, too, in Leon Searcy, Willie Anderson, Matt Lepsis, etc.

SenorGato
02-03-2012, 01:04 PM
****, Lincoln Kennedy was really good, too. And then you had some really, really good RTs, too, in Leon Searcy, Willie Anderson, Matt Lepsis, etc.

The Eagles bookend T duo...Completely forgot about Kennedy...Willie Anderson too...that guy was pretty nasty.

BeerBaron
02-03-2012, 01:05 PM
Kyle Turley had his moments of awesome too. Throwing people, helmets...threatening to kill Mike Martz.

bitonti
02-03-2012, 01:15 PM
it should also be noted Kalil started 2 years at USC. he redshirted in 2008. he backed up Tyron at RT in 2009. He started 10 and 11. Which is fine. but some of these other prospects were 40+ game starters. Jake Long started as a Redshirt Freshman. Russell Okung started as a true freshman at Oregon State. unlike running back, the more starts an OL has the better prospect he becomes.

Obviously it's harder to start at USC than Oregon State but there is still a difference in experience, if we are comparing Kalil to other top OT from years past.

Mufasa
02-03-2012, 01:29 PM
2008: < Jake Long
2007: = Joe Thomas
2006: < D'Brickshaw Ferguson
Joe Thomas was better than both of those.

descendency
02-03-2012, 02:07 PM
Eugene Monroe >>> Jason Smith.

nobodyinparticular
02-03-2012, 02:28 PM
it should also be noted Kalil started 2 years at USC. he redshirted in 2008. he backed up Tyron at RT in 2009. He started 10 and 11. Which is fine. but some of these other prospects were 40+ game starters. Jake Long started as a Redshirt Freshman. Russell Okung started as a true freshman at Oregon State. unlike running back, the more starts an OL has the better prospect he becomes.

Obviously it's harder to start at USC than Oregon State but there is still a difference in experience, if we are comparing Kalil to other top OT from years past.

Do you mean Oklahoma State?

Matthew Jones
02-03-2012, 02:36 PM
I don't think Kalil is as good as any of the past offensive tackle prospects except maybe Okung and Jason Smith. I'd take Tyron Smith over him; Smith is considerably more athletic.

bitonti
02-03-2012, 03:20 PM
Do you mean Oklahoma State?

yeh sorry okla state not oregon st.

nobodyinparticular
02-03-2012, 03:41 PM
yeh sorry okla state not oregon st.

They're both OSU and they're both orange. It's all good.

MetSox17
02-03-2012, 03:47 PM
****, Lincoln Kennedy was really good, too. And then you had some really, really good RTs, too, in Leon Searcy, Willie Anderson, Matt Lepsis, etc.

You didn't mention Willie Roaf, a HoF'er very soon.

RaiderNation
02-03-2012, 04:02 PM
I have Kalil right behind Long and Thomas, and if he were to stay another year at USC I wouldn't have been surprised to see him maybe trade out better than them. Kalil will be a top 3 pick, and should play much better than some of the recent high OTs.

Mr. Goosemahn
02-03-2012, 04:05 PM
I wouldn't disagree with this, either.

I've said it quite often: there are no Walter Joneses, or Bosellis, or Ogdens anymore. We witnessed the golden era of left tackles. Hope you all enjoyed it, because it's unlikely we ever see that many elite HoF caliber players all physical freaks to boot) at one position as we did in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I mean, hell, a guy like Tarik Glenn (who was seen as a very good, but not quite elite tackle in that era) could arguably be better than anyone in the NFL right now.

Could guys like DJ Fluker and Seantrel Henderson reach that level?

As for Kalil, I think he's going to be like Jordan Gross at the next level. Not overly dominant, but pretty good.

Iamcanadian
02-04-2012, 06:54 AM
Kalil has a skill set and a body type to be an All Star at the next level. He clearly has top 5 talent which puts him in a class with the top LT's in pro football.

However, he hasn't built up his body just yet and has a long way to go before you can compare him to anybody in the NFL. He is more like D'Brick than anybody else since he played college ball at 295 and will need to add 10-20lbs. to be effective at the next level. Like D'Brick, he must not only gain the weight but turn it into muscle and learn how to use it in pro football. Until we see the finished produce, there is no way to tell how good he can be.

Joe Thomas is the best LT in the league and Jake Long is just behind him. Kalil might get to their category but he has a long road to that level.

P-L
02-04-2012, 09:30 AM
As a prospect, I'd also have Kalil rated just below Jake Long and Joe Thomas and at about the same level as D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

Babylon
02-04-2012, 02:13 PM
it should also be noted Kalil started 2 years at USC. he redshirted in 2008. he backed up Tyron at RT in 2009. He started 10 and 11. Which is fine. but some of these other prospects were 40+ game starters. Jake Long started as a Redshirt Freshman. Russell Okung started as a true freshman at Oregon State. unlike running back, the more starts an OL has the better prospect he becomes.

Obviously it's harder to start at USC than Oregon State but there is still a difference in experience, if we are comparing Kalil to other top OT from years past.

Not sure the # of starts stat means as much for an offensive tackle as it does for a QB, in fact i know it doesnt. And i would add when you're in that USC system you're facing tough competition on a daily basis. One year wonder i might worry but not 24 or 25 games.

On a sidenote i'm still high on my guy Okung. He needs to somehow stay healthy and play with a little more discipline but he can be a good one.

Ozzy
02-04-2012, 03:46 PM
Very interesting look at things, great idea to compare top prospects from the past at their position to now, this is how I would see things going as far back as 2000

2011: > Tyronn Smith
2010: > Russell Okung
2009: > Jason Smith
2008: < Jake Long
2007: < Joe Thomas
2006: = D'Brickshaw Ferguson
2005: > Jammal Brown
2004: < Robert Gallery
2003: > Jordan Gross
2002: < Bryant McKinnie
2001: < Leonard Davis
2000: < Chris Samuels


So compared to recent years Matt Kalil I would say is better than some of those guys. But back in the day, I would take a lot of those offensive tackles coming out of college over Kalil just based on size and run blocking ability.

CDCB14
02-04-2012, 03:46 PM
I'd take Tyron Smith over Kalil every time. Not even close the amount of upside. Not just because i'm a Cowboys fan, but Tyron Smith has the potential to be one of the best in the game. He is probably the most athletic and has freakishly long arms. If he adds some more bulk (which he has the frame to do) and he gets coached and developed the right way, he should be a perennial all-pro.

It isn't even all potential/upside with Tyron anymore either, he played pretty damn good this year. He stonewalled Jason Babin, one of the only bright spots when the Cowboys played the Eagles. He was a deserving pro-bowl alternate.

Flaming Mo
02-04-2012, 04:01 PM
This is false. He is finally rated appropriately.

Interesting discussion actually if D'Brick is over or underrated. Last season he had a down year by his standards and I think he only reached the Pro Bowl on reputation. With that said though, it is not easy to protect an erratic and very inconsistent QB in Mark Sanchez in a horribly run Jets offense which had a very bad mix of talents anywhere you looked. On the top of his game and in recent years he has been arguably the best pure pass blocking OT in the game and while he is not a mauler in the run game, over the last couple of years he had developed tremendously in that regard. He is very good in open space and the Jets also ran behind him more and more as he started to fill out his body.

In the end I think Brick is a perennial pro bowl tackle who has his strength in pass blocking who on a good day can compare to anyone in this league. Too bad he is a bit inconsistent.

RaiderNation
02-04-2012, 04:19 PM
I'd take Tyron Smith over Kalil every time. Not even close the amount of upside. Not just because i'm a Cowboys fan, but Tyron Smith has the potential to be one of the best in the game. He is probably the most athletic and has freakishly long arms. If he adds some more bulk (which he has the frame to do) and he gets coached and developed the right way, he should be a perennial all-pro.

It isn't even all potential/upside with Tyron anymore either, he played pretty damn good this year. He stonewalled Jason Babin, one of the only bright spots when the Cowboys played the Eagles. He was a deserving pro-bowl alternate.

You do know Kalil was the reason why Tyron Smith is stuck at RT. No doubt Kalil is the better prospect and has better potential. Kalil is a elite prospect, lock top 3 pick while Smith was a top 15 prospect in an average draft last year.

TheFinisher
02-04-2012, 05:49 PM
You do know Kalil was the reason why Tyron Smith is stuck at RT. No doubt Kalil is the better prospect and has better potential. Kalil is a elite prospect, lock top 3 pick while Smith was a top 15 prospect in an average draft last year.

Kalil was also Tyron's backup at RT during their Freshman year. I think people read too much into "Kalil was the reason Tyron played RT", Tyron was already at RT for a year by the time Kalil was ready to crack the starting line up. If you think Kalil is good enough to handle LT why bother moving Tyron?

And as far as potential, Tyron was 19 years old the last time he suited up for USC while Kalil came into this season at 22. Tyron's upside at his age with that athleticism was pretty rare.

JHL6719
02-04-2012, 06:48 PM
Chris Samuels was better than all of them as a prospect. He started all 4 years and never gave up a single sack. Didn't even allow a single pressure his Senior season.

I'd say Orlando Pace and Chris Samuels were the two best left tackle prospects I've ever seen.

DraftSavant
02-04-2012, 06:53 PM
^^^ Completely forgot about how good a prospect Samuels was seen as.

Bryant McKinnie was regarded pretty damn highly as well.

Thunder&Lightning
02-04-2012, 07:31 PM
Is he considered "Elite" though?

Master Exploder
02-04-2012, 08:50 PM
I'd say so.

He's definitely in the Jake Long, Joe Thomas, D'Brickashaw Ferguson tier in my opinion.

Mr. Goosemahn
02-04-2012, 10:04 PM
Is he considered "Elite" though?

I think so too. Here are all the top OT prospects selected in the top 10 in the past decade:

- Tyron Smith, Cowboys
- Trent Williams, Redskins
- Russell Okung, Seahawks
- Jason Smith, Rams
- Andre Smith, Bengals
- Eugene Monroe, Jaguars
- Jake Long, Dolphins
- Joe Thomas, Browns
- Levi Brown, Cardinals
- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jets
- Robert Gallery, Raiders
- Jordan Gross, Panthers
- Mike Williams, Bills
- Bryant McKinnie, Vikings
- Levi Jones, Bengals

Out of all of those, I'd say the only ones I'd put above Kalil are Jake Long, Joe Thomas, and Robert Gallery. Gallery and Thomas are the highest rated, IMO, even if they didn't go first overall like Jake Long did. Gallery went after Manning though, who was VERY highly thought of, and Thomas went after Russell and Megatron, both of whom were elite prospects at their position (heck, Megatron could very well be the best WR prospect ever).

D'Brick is probably equal to Kalil's level, and then everyone is below him, IMO.

I don't know if I think higher of Kalil than most do, but I think he's got as much potential as an OT might have, and he's got great size to boot. He's listed as 6'7 and 295, so as long as he stays close to that and doesn't go down to 280 like D'Brick supposedly does.

descendency
02-04-2012, 10:47 PM
You do know Kalil was the reason why Tyron Smith is stuck at RT. No doubt Kalil is the better prospect and has better potential. Kalil is a elite prospect, lock top 3 pick while Smith was a top 15 prospect in an average draft last year.

If you put Smith at LT and Kalil at RT, you would have had 2 players in new positions. By having Kalil at LT, you only have 1 player in a new position. Both were elite OL.

Babylon
02-05-2012, 12:15 PM
If you put Smith at LT and Kalil at RT, you would have had 2 players in new positions. By having Kalil at LT, you only have 1 player in a new position. Both were elite OL.

Exactly. USC didnt want two guys in new positions going into 2010. There is nothing wrong with being a really good RT either. The move seemed to work out well for everyone involved.

Matthew Jones
02-05-2012, 02:38 PM
Kalil just doesn't seem as elite as previous top offensive tackle prospects; Gallery, Ferguson, Thomas, and Long were all better prospects. I prefer Tyron Smith as well due to his substantial advantage in athleticism. Kalil would probably go above Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, and Andre Smith although Andre was a more dominant player (excluding concerns about weight, etc.)

bitonti
02-07-2012, 10:51 AM
He's listed as 6'7 and 295, so as long as he stays close to that

weigh in is going to be key at combine. If he's shorter than 6'7" (let's say he's 6'5") that would shake up his value.

Babylon
02-07-2012, 11:02 AM
weigh in is going to be key at combine. If he's shorter than 6'7" (let's say he's 6'5") that would shake up his value.

Just going on the sight test he looks 6-6 to me. What's the differance really. 6-5 is perfect height for a tackle.

Arm length would probably be more of an issue than an inch of height.

Punisher
02-07-2012, 12:06 PM
Well he's good for a FG block... or 4 a year ;)

toonsterwu
02-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Still not sure that I wouldn't take Reiff over kalil. I like Kalil, but I'm not in love with him, but that's me.

ULT
02-07-2012, 08:05 PM
weigh in is going to be key at combine. If he's shorter than 6'7" (let's say he's 6'5") that would shake up his value.

he's legit 6'7"
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/44/441081.jpg

J-Mike88
02-12-2012, 09:14 PM
I wouldn't disagree with this, either.

I've said it quite often: there are no Walter Joneses, or Bosellis, or Ogdens anymore. We witnessed the golden era of left tackles. Hope you all enjoyed it, because it's unlikely we ever see that many elite HoF caliber players all physical freaks to boot) at one position as we did in the late 90s/early 2000s.

I mean, hell, a guy like Tarik Glenn (who was seen as a very good, but not quite elite tackle in that era) could arguably be better than anyone in the NFL right now.
What about Willie Roaf and Orlando Pace? They're part of that era too.
That was a golden era.

thebow305
02-12-2012, 09:50 PM
My rankings:

1-Thomas
2-Ferguson
3-Long
4-Kalil
5-J.Smith
6-T.Smith
7-Williams
8-Okung

similar to Long, not quite Ferguson or Thomas. Just barely better than the Smiths, better than Trent Williams and Russ Okung.

Lol at D'Brick being better than Jake Long. If you really think that, you are insane. Plain and simple. Is your name by any chance, D'Brickashaw Ferguson?

keylime_5
02-12-2012, 10:50 PM
I though Ferguson was a better prospect than Long b/c of his athleticism and length and ridiculous upside in pass pro. There were plenty of GMs who thought Long would be an okay LT but better suited on the right side of the line. I could see putting Long #2 and Ferguson #3, but Long certainly was not 100% superior to D'Brickashaw as draft prospects.

nobodyinparticular
02-12-2012, 11:09 PM
I though Ferguson was a better prospect than Long b/c of his athleticism and length and ridiculous upside in pass pro. There were plenty of GMs who thought Long would be an okay LT but better suited on the right side of the line. I could see putting Long #2 and Ferguson #3, but Long certainly was not 100% superior to D'Brickashaw as draft prospects.

This is spot on. There were so many questions about Jake Long's ability in pass protection. And Ferguson was VERY highly thought of as a LT prospect.

DraftSavant
02-12-2012, 11:56 PM
What about Willie Roaf and Orlando Pace? They're part of that era too.
That was a golden era.

I'm aware of that, but it's a point I reiterate often, and I don't mention every single guy every single time.

SenorGato
02-13-2012, 12:57 AM
This is spot on. There were so many questions about Jake Long's ability in pass protection. And Ferguson was VERY highly thought of as a LT prospect.

Thomas and Long went 3 and 1 immediately after, and both teams were better with those guys as rookies than the Jets were with D'Brick as a rookie.

Ferguson went 4 in a draft he could have went 1 in with alot of people calling it a smart pick (in the vein of Williams, but opposite side of the ball), and it was a draft that included great prospects like Williams, Bush, Davis, the big 3 QBs, Ngata...He could have went top 5 in '05 had he come out as a junior...1 considering how crappy that draft was at the top.

These next 5 seasons as D'Brick/Thomas/Long enter their late 20's/early 30's is when they will really separate themselves as players.