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onejayhawk
02-05-2012, 07:13 PM
It is a hard to define principle. Generally, who is among the 3-5 best at his position in the last decade. Off the top I can think of 4: Luck, Trent Richardson and deCastro, with RG III as a maybe. Kalil and Claiborn do not appear to be above the level of the top prospect at their position any given year. Am I missing anyone?

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BrettFavresMember
02-05-2012, 09:21 PM
I don't think I know of many LT's in the NFL that are built as proportional as Reiff.

Halsey
02-05-2012, 09:46 PM
I never buy into the idea that we know who will be a special NFL player. There's always this idea that a draft has a select few "special" or "elite" prospects, yet many of those players don't turn out to be special in the NFL, and many NFL players who are special were not viewed as special prospects.

PossibleCabbage
02-05-2012, 09:56 PM
Luck.

Nobody else.

thegreatone
02-05-2012, 10:16 PM
Michael Floyd

TACKLE
02-05-2012, 10:22 PM
Luck and Richardson

Taber21
02-05-2012, 10:45 PM
Luck and Decastro imo, at this point, are the only ones who seem to be that "special" type of prospect at their respective positions.

Brothgar
02-05-2012, 10:50 PM
Special players
Richardson
Luck
RG3
one of the De's
De Castro
Glenn
Blackmon

TACKLE
02-05-2012, 10:53 PM
Special players
Richardson
Luck
RG3
one of the De's
De Castro
Glenn
Blackmon

This guy will be one of the premier pass rushers in the league. :/

BRAVEHEART
02-06-2012, 12:34 AM
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0922/rn_i_mattkalil2_ms_400.jpg

lowlife
02-06-2012, 12:28 PM
I like Claiborne's potential to become one of the few island corners

Duffman57
02-06-2012, 01:49 PM
Andrew Luck
RGIII
Kalil

are the only three that i have at that level right now.

the_dark_knight
02-06-2012, 02:26 PM
Give me RG3 and Richardson.

Richardson is to me on the Adrian Peterson level. He's a guy who's becoming more and more rare in the NFL, a single RB who can really beat you in every phase of the game, and is strong enough to stand up to the beating and punishment of every down football in the NFL.

zachsaints52
02-06-2012, 02:52 PM
Luck and DeCastro are the only two coming to mind.

P-L
02-06-2012, 03:11 PM
Going by your criteria of top 3-5 at their position over the last decade, I'd say there are three, maybe four players. Andrew Luck, obviously is the top prospect of the last ten years at quarterback. I think Trent Richardson is also a top five prospect at his position. I also think DeCastro is the top guy at his position over the past ten years, although some people wouldn't consider a guard "special," regardless of how good he is. I think an argument could be made for Morris Claiborne as well. He's borderline top five at his position, and I like him more than Patrick Peterson (who many people considered "special").

papageorgio
02-07-2012, 07:18 PM
Dre Kirkpatrick. This guy will come to the NFL day one being one of the most physical hard hitting CB's in the league. If he keeps his head on straight he can become a better Antoine Winfield.

Finsfan79
02-07-2012, 09:49 PM
Coples, Kirkpatrick, Lamar Miller (will end up the best back in the draft), Tannehill (if he sits a year and learns he will end up a good QB), Blackmon, Reiff, and Luck of course

Duffman57
02-07-2012, 10:55 PM
Give me RG3 and Richardson.

Richardson is to me on the Adrian Peterson level. He's a guy who's becoming more and more rare in the NFL, a single RB who can really beat you in every phase of the game, and is strong enough to stand up to the beating and punishment of every down football in the NFL.

I dont know why, but every time i see Richardson, he seems REALLY stiff to me. Doesn't look like he can really make guys miss when he gets them in open space on the run. Reminds me of a smaller Michael Turner IMO, can do all the things well, but is much more of an inside runner that can run outside who's a bigtime downhill runner. Not comparing the two, just trying to say that he seems more of that STYLE of a runner rather than AP who is just a freak in every asset.

Inspector71
02-07-2012, 11:09 PM
I dont know why, but every time i see Richardson, he seems REALLY stiff to me. Doesn't look like he can really make guys miss when he gets them in open space on the run. Reminds me of a smaller Michael Turner IMO, can do all the things well, but is much more of an inside runner that can run outside who's a bigtime downhill runner. Not comparing the two, just trying to say that he seems more of that STYLE of a runner rather than AP who is just a freak in every asset.

He can't make guys miss in the open field? Google YOUTUBE or SEC DIGITAL Network. Invest some time. :)

diemertsdawgs
02-08-2012, 01:21 AM
Justin Blackmon? Hello? Elite player with solid character. I think he will have a very solid NFL career. The most explosive WR in draft and very strong.

diemertsdawgs
02-08-2012, 01:30 AM
I will list five: Justin Blackmon WR Ok.St.
Morris Claiborne CB LSU
Janoris Jenkins CB N.Alabama
Donta Hightower LB Bama
Matt Kalil OL USC
I like Luck & RG3. But I have question marks on them both, top rated QBs always make me skeptical. I think RG3 could be a very explosive addition to any team and we all know Luck is going to Indy. So new system in Indy, likely no more Peyton, lots of unknowns for Luck.

papageorgio
02-08-2012, 09:39 AM
Coples, Kirkpatrick, Lamar Miller (will end up the best back in the draft), Tannehill (if he sits a year and learns he will end up a good QB), Blackmon, Reiff, and Luck of course

Kirkpatrick is getting seriously underrated by everyone. This guy is a baller. If the Bills pass on him for a pass rusher like Ingram or perry I will be pissed. This guy is one of the hardest hitting mother ******* ive seen at the DB position in a long time.

toonsterwu
02-08-2012, 05:21 PM
I don't know how you are defining it, but the guys that I feel are truly elite (which is a vague and subjective term, but let's just say, guys that I think would be considered elite for their positions in most drafts) in this draft would be

QB: Luck/RG3
RB: Richardson
WR: None (and I think I prefer Kendall Wright to Justin Blackmon)
TE: None
OT: None ... I'm not sure I don't prefer Reiff to Kalil (although I think Kalil will be ranked higher in general ... that said, I really wonder if say, the Vikings, might prefer Reiff to Kalil, as I feel like Reiff might be a slightly better OL talent for Jeff Davidson) ...
Interior OL: DeCastro. The one guy I am debating is whether or not Konz is elite for C ...
DT - None
DE - None. Coples may go high in many drafts, but I'm not sure he's a guy I feel would be consistently elite in most of them.
LB - None.
S - None, although admittedly, I've always been a bit uncertain on labeling safety talents as elite.
CB - Claiborne. I'm not sure he's that much higher than say, the rest of this CB class, but I do think Claiborne would be an elite CB talent in most drafts. Athletic, long armed corner, willing to be physical, good instincts, shows good fluidity. A lot to like.

Now, if we're talking about the elite tier in this draft, I think we're looking at Luck/RG3/Kalil/Claiborne/Reiff/Richardson probably (at this stage of the process).

This is one of those drafts where the depth is fairly good, though. The 2nd-3rd round depth might be as good as I can recall, at this early stage, in awhile, although it's obviously going to be thin at some positions.

toonsterwu
02-08-2012, 05:22 PM
Justin Blackmon? Hello? Elite player with solid character. I think he will have a very solid NFL career. The most explosive WR in draft and very strong.

Most explosive? In this draft? If you want to argue most complete, I wouldn't disagree with that, but most explosive? Not sold that he's more explosive than say, Kendall Wright.

Duffman57
02-08-2012, 05:53 PM
He can't make guys miss in the open field? Google YOUTUBE or SEC DIGITAL Network. Invest some time. :)

I think he can, but not without slowing down a LOT...

Every time i watch him, he just doesn't seem to be very fluid making lateral cuts. Once again, i'm not saying that he's not a very good prospect, but to put him on the level of AP isn't warranted IMO.

toonsterwu
02-08-2012, 05:56 PM
I think he can, but not without slowing down a LOT...

Every time i watch him, he just doesn't seem to be very fluid making lateral cuts. Once again, i'm not saying that he's not a very good prospect, but to put him on the level of AP isn't warranted IMO.

I like Richardson, so this comp may be viewed more negatively than it should be, but he reminds me a bit of Lynch. Of course, I loved Lynch out of college and he never reached the ceiling that I had hoped for.

Duffman57
02-08-2012, 07:12 PM
I like Richardson, so this comp may be viewed more negatively than it should be, but he reminds me a bit of Lynch. Of course, I loved Lynch out of college and he never reached the ceiling that I had hoped for.

Great comparison TBH. Really similar as runners, just doesn't ******* stop...lol

SenorGato
02-08-2012, 09:19 PM
I think Cordy Glenn can be a pretty special G. A less angry version of Carl Nicks, who probably isn't all that angry anymore anyway.

Who else...I think Vinny Curry could be a nasty DE/OLB if he gets there...Blackmon is an absolute stud...I do like Kalil enough to think he'll be a stud pass protector...Konz is a stud C prospect...Janoris Jenkins is going to be nasty, 5'9 or not....Coples reminds me alot of Justin Tuck, but he's got 20 pounds on college Justin Tuck so that could be off....Devon Still gets on here just for being the first Penn State guy I think is legit in forever...Mark Barron is an underrated stud safety prospect who can become a staple/anchor in someone's secondary for a decade....Hightower is another guy I like like that...if Burfict finds the right coach (Rex Ryan) then it's game over man...gave over...Fleener isn't special, but he's going to be some QB's favorite pass catcher...Miller or Richardson with the right teams/O-Lines....then obviously Luck...I'll throw RG3 in too.

Maybe 2 of these guys are actually "special"...that said I think there's definitely a group of players I really like before things really get going.

Inspector71
02-08-2012, 10:06 PM
I think he can, but not without slowing down a LOT...

Every time i watch him, he just doesn't seem to be very fluid making lateral cuts. Once again, i'm not saying that he's not a very good prospect, but to put him on the level of AP isn't warranted IMO.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US&rdm=4pf3n22wy&reload=3#/watch?v=wPIVTeyytfc

Against the #1 Defense in the NCAA. I don't know many other 225 lb RB's that can do that.

GaMeTiMe
02-08-2012, 10:16 PM
While we're all tossing around names, I might as well bring up Nick Perry. Obviously not an elite prospect but may end up the best pass-rusher from the class

SenorGato
02-08-2012, 11:20 PM
While we're all tossing around names, I might as well bring up Nick Perry. Obviously not an elite prospect but may end up the best pass-rusher from the class

He looks like a knockoff Terrell Suggs sometimes, doesn't he? Yeah throw him on there. It's rare to say a USC prospect is underhyped, but that's probably a good thing.

holt_bruce81
02-08-2012, 11:27 PM
I think there are five......

1. Andrew Luck
2. Robert Griffin III
3. Trent Richardson
4. Morris Claiborne
5. David Decastro

JoeJoeBrown
02-08-2012, 11:49 PM
Once we get the Wonderlich scores back we can do a sort on the scores below 10 to find out whom the "special" players are.

diemertsdawgs
02-09-2012, 12:38 AM
Wonderlich....lol. That test would make them .....smart players right? Not special players. Overrated test.

Bengalsrocket
02-09-2012, 12:42 AM
Wonderlich....lol. That test would make them .....smart players right? Not special players. Overrated test.

either I don't understand your joke or you don't understand his... :P

diemertsdawgs
02-09-2012, 12:43 AM
Most explosive? In this draft? If you want to argue most complete, I wouldn't disagree with that, but most explosive? Not sold that he's more explosive than say, Kendall Wright.

Kendall Wright is good I agree ...but not more explosive or a better WR than Blackmon. Not close. I'm a OU Sooner fan I seen them both for a few years now and Blackmon is hands down better than Wright.

holt_bruce81
02-09-2012, 01:49 AM
either I don't understand your joke or you don't understand his... :P

I don't think he understood his joke lol

BamaFalcon59
02-09-2012, 09:51 AM
Elite: Reggie Bush, Adrian Peterson, Darren McFadden
Not Elite: Trent Richardson

VikesWookie
02-09-2012, 10:12 AM
Melvin Ingram is freakishly athletic. Not sure if he'll be "special" til he hits the professional fields...

ATLDirtyBirds
02-09-2012, 11:26 AM
Elite: Reggie Bush, Adrian Peterson, Darren McFadden
Not Elite: Trent Richardson

Trent's absolutely elite.

I'm going to label "special" as players I'm very confident will become top 3-5 players in their primes at their respective positions: Trent Richardson, Andrew Luck, David DeCastro.

JoeJoeBrown
02-09-2012, 01:32 PM
I don't think he understood his joke lol

I'm guessing he got a nine on the Wonderlic.

DraftSavant
02-09-2012, 01:55 PM
Elite: Reggie Bush, Adrian Peterson, Darren McFadden
Not Elite: Trent Richardson

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt7iuoJxKE1qm6oc3o1_500.gif

You can just GTFO out with this post before I freak the **** out.